@@eddiemoise8079 That means nothing! His Bible knowledge is wrong, it's useless, they knew it was a waste of time trying to reason with someone so ignorant.
@@eddiemoise8079 The two are always fire fighting his misinterpretation of scripture or a biblical account. For instance, not even amongst the Trinitarian scholar community is there the consensus that Thomas was addressing Jesus. Therefore you would have to establish why John's style of writing would be suggesting the contrary to the Greek norms of a nominative case word meaning it is not directing at anyone. Example: I approach you and say "My lord" How do you tell from that whether I am addressing you or another person or if it's a surprised reaction. Should it not be the context. What is the context to Thomas? John 20:24 "Now Thomas called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” *But he replied, “Unless I see the nail marks in His hands, and put my finger where the nails have been, and put my hand into His side, I will never believe* The disciples didn't say that we have seen *God* but the *Lord* So what is it that Thomas will never believe? It is not the latter. The whole chapter is about Thomas finally believing Jesus was resurrected, not Jesus' identity. Therefore, this is *not* an ontological statement but a statement of priority (position/authority) Again his argument about "firstborn" is incorrect. There is a vast difference between God bestowing the firstborn status on David and Paul stating Jesus is *the firstborn* This is why I stated it is a continual putting out the fire debate. If you want to go deeper I will
If more Christians would take the time to witness to the JW's the way you have done, more witnesses would come to Christ. Thank you for recording this for all to see. Subscribed.
Everyday millions are realizing that you'll teach lies and are coming to an accurate knowledge of truth. If we all come and record how embarrassing you'll have been on TH-cam you'll run.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
There is the Holy Spirit that leads is too Christ, and then there is the wicked one and his seed that hates Christ and will try to steer you away from him
How about until the new revised 2013 Bible. Even though the 1984 iteration did change the word worship to obeisance, they had a footnote that would read “or worship.” The 2013 version is extremely perverted for many reasons, but there were several condemning footnotes that have been completely removed from this iteration.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 I know exactly what it means, & it depends on the context. So is Jesus simply a dignitary or political figure? Why do The Revelation Book on p. 61 use to “bow down” to The Anointed Class? Why did The Angels reject individuals to “bow down” to them, & why r u using that same proskyneo as worship when it comes to Jehovah but not Jesus?
They tell you that they are ok using any Bible translation until they are not ok using any Bible translation. Good job of witnessing for Christ my fellow brother. We love jw and want them all to come to the saving grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ revealed through The Holy Spirit.
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace......
Like all the rest of the alleged Christians, the one who rightly deserves our worship is ignored completely, Jehovah. That's who Jesus told people to worship, he never said to worship him. Who did the ancient Jews worship, they knew nothing of Jesus, ALL their worship was directed only to Jehovah so that is who JW's CORRECTLY direct their worship. We give Jesus due reverence as Messiah and savior but only Jehovah deserves worship. John 17:26: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] I have made your name known to them [his followers] and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” If you ignore Jehovah's name, you aren't worshipping the correct God.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time. Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you need to stop making stuff up, it's really embarrassing how you ramble on stuff that has nothing but your own personal opinion, interpretation and ideas. It isn't backed by anything with clear evidence, just folklore that you present as your own version of truth. Again, the NWT is a false book because it inserts words that are NOT found in the Greek and the authors of the NWT didn't know any Greek or Hebrew. So, if you want to study from a false book that is up to you. I'm sure our adversary, the prince of the earth, would be pleased with your progress.
I loved this. Thanks for your boldness to let the truth be known. You planted seeds for them to think about and stood your ground for the kingdom. Would love to see more JW videos like this. Bless you.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time. Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER? THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Are you listening to what he is saying? The problem is you are picking and choosing when and how to interpret it to fit a narrative. It should be a scientific methods, if the word is true you shouldn't even have to do that. That is always going to come off dishonest. Just the fact you believe in many Gods makes you a cult imo my man. I don't mean to be rude but that is wild to me.
They are training to avoid this type of conversations. They have to follow a script in their visits. Step by step. Then is really difficult to chat with them properly because as you can see they deny the evidence like the Greek translation, what is insane.
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. There's only one name given among men to call on for our salvation and that name is Jesus! @mikedavis2296
The JW Bible was not translated by Hebrew and Greek Scholars, that's the biggest problem. They changed the scriptures to match their beliefs. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.. that's that correct translation for John 1:1
If this is the correct translation, please explain the contradiction : If the Word is with God, how can the word be God ? If Jesus is the word, who is God in this verse?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you completelhy glossed over the FACT that the "JW Bible was not translated by Hebrew and Greek Scholars" Why did you ignore that fact?? Is it because you don't have any good response so you avoid it hoping that fact will just disappear?
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time. Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created *ALL* things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER? THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
That was one of the best scripture led arguments I’ve seen when confronting the sad lies of JWs. Continue to pray for them and their families that they be led out of the slavery of the ‘organization’ just as Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and just as Jesus leads us out of our sin.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 good job spamming the channel. Is that the best you can come up with? Is that all the mind of a Jehovah Witness can muster? An argument from Old English? The funny part is that in the 1st sentence you answer what the original Greek meaning is WORSHIP. I’ll pray for you directly.
@nigelackroyd7991 ; Yeah ... Just like something I was reminded of recently. At Jn. 4:22, Jesus tells the Samaritan woman at the time that "you (the Samaritans) worship what you do not know. We worship what we know." Ah ..."**We** worship?" You mean Jesus also worships the Hebrew God of the Jews YHWH as well? So Christ is supposedly God, yet he worships God? God worships God now? How can any even half rational mind make sense out of something as ridiculous as that?...
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time. Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER? THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 PAS/PANTA can imply “other” in scripture. Luke 13:2: “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the OTHER people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered?”-NLT 1 Corinthians 6:18, “Run from sexual sin! No OTHER sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.”-NLT Philippians 2:9, “Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all OTHER names,”-NLT Luke 21:29, “Then he gave them this illustration: “Notice the fig tree, or any OTHER tree.”-NLT
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace.........
Bravo, wish they’ll return and ask you for more corrections they need to know😅 I as JW was done when they changed Micah 6:8 from love kindness to cherish loyalty and omitted John 8:1 to 11😮
:If you chesck many modern BIbles in the marginal or footnote references, they will inform the reader that these verses are not in the most ancient manuscripts. They are spurious just like 1 John 5 :7 in the KJV which has been removed from all modern Bibles.
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.” 2 John 1:10-11 KJV
I don't think this means you can't evangelize to them, even in your own home. Receive him not into your house: I see this as not a long term guest or permanent residence. Or as part of a social gathering. The term "house" should be applied to your dwelling and place of worship. neither bid him God speed: Don't encourage them in their spreading of the false doctrine. Having a conversation with them, if they are willing to have a civil one, is perfectly okay. These people are, likely, not intentionally spreading a false gospel. They are, but that is because they have been deceived. Wouldn't it be better to try and correct them before they (unintentionally) deceive others so that they will cease doing so?
@@jeremywj it’s a spiritual thing you don’t want to open the door to demons, you’re allowing spirits into your home, it’s very deep understanding but God didn’t have things written in his word for nothing. I’m not against showing them the truth but personally I would not invite them into your house.
I have come to understand there are those who are in darkness and will not or cannot see what is plainly before them. There are spiritual forces at work to keep people blind to the truth and in the darkness of their religious traditions, void of truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” King James Version (KJV)
When I post scripture, the owner of this channel will block me....because they do not like the truth. Was Jesus God? NO!!! Is Jesus the only way to God? YES!!! John 14:6 Understand what Jesus said "John 14:24" the word which ye hear is not mine. Lets go back to the beginning, Deuteronomy 18:15, 18-19 and turn to Paul in Acts 3:22-26 and acts 2:22 and move into Hebrews 1:1-2. So, what did Thomas say? And who was Thomas speacking too? Here is the answer...read carefully. John 7:16-17 and 2 Corinthians 5:19 kjv. More, when the Lord was baptized, what happen? Matthew 3:16....is 2 Corinthians 5:19 and understand "whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" and Mark 12:29 ONE God. Jesus was created by God Hebrews 2:7....Jesus is the Son John 3:16 and Jesus prayed to God Mark 14:36 and Jesus could do NOTHING of himself John 5:30. Jesus is Anointed....He is King and High Priest, a Good Shepherd which leads us in worshipping our Father, God Almighty. Jesus is the Lamb, he died om a cross and on the third day Romans 10:9 and Jesus is "given" all power and authorithy by God, God is the Power and Authority! Either you believe in the One True God or you believe in a False god. I choose to worship the exact same God our Lord Jesus worships. Peace!
I realize there are some translations like the KJV that have "God," instead of "He," or "Who." The New KJV alerts readers that earlier manuscripts omit "God." Do you know why even informed trinitarians don’t use this as a proof text?
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
If prototokos (firstborn) is applied to Jesus to mean he is pre-eminent one, then how come the bible doesn't say God or the Holy Spirit is pre-eminent?...that Jesus had a beginning is stated in Revelation 3:14 where Jesus says that he is..."the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness...the beginning of the creation BY GOD". The King James version also gives a similar reading of Jesus' statement. Therefore the Son had a start, a beginning somewhere in time.
@@NickHawaii The bible actually teaches that Jesus is God's firstborn son. Jesus is unique in that he alone was directly created by God his heavenly father. Revelation 3:14 Jesus says that he is "...the faithful and True witness, the beginning of the Creation by God".
JWs really want to argue about rhe Greek..ask them who translated their Bible..their "anonymous " editors..but yet their translation which is the one that differs from all others is the right one? Don't they see/ hear themselves how they have to make such an effort to make the Bible not say what it really does?
Most JW’s have no idea about the history of the new world translation they use. When I grew up in it I was told the NWT said the exact same thing that the King James said with the exception of the “thee, thou, etc” and “putting Jehovah’s name back in. The problem is that they are taught to ignore anything that speaks contrary to the watchtower. So they won’t see because of that.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@joej19 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
FROM new testament Greek Lexicon - Proskuneo Definition NAS Word Usage - Total: 60 to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
How amazingly constructed explanation by this young man! Exact, precise, to the point. Very well done brother! You made Jesus, our God and Saviour happy! And JWs remind me of shady, sneaky lawyers, who twist the truth and lie, when they have no evidence for their false claims. God bless you young warrior! 🙂 Greetings from Hungary!
Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father John 6:38-40, the work of God is to believe in the One He has sent John 6:28-29, God wants us to have to have faith in his Son 1 John 3 23, you believe in His Son you have life Eternal life 1John 5:12, Every one who does not believe that Jesus is Lord will die in their sins John 8 24 n will be cast into the lake of fire Rev 20 14, there will weeping and gnashing of teeth Mat 13 :49-50
@@NickHawaii if you reject Christ,you also reject the Holy Spirit John 15'26, the Holy Spirit is the One who testify about Him and tells us who is Christ John 14'26 He is the One who remind us everything Christ has told r taught us, Lord Jesus Christ said if you don't believe that I am you will die in your sins John 8 24. But whenever some turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is Spirit and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom 2 Corinthians 3:16, know the truth and the truth will set you free John 8 31-32, Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life John 14 6
@@selekanotshenye4608 Yes I agree. But doesn’t make them the same. You can sin against Jesus and be forgiven. But if you sin against God’s Holy Spirit there is no forgiveness.
@@NickHawaii the Lord is rejecting believers those who trust in their works Matt 7 21 -23, they don't trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ Acts 10'43, No one can be justified by their own works Gal 2:16, our works or deeds are filthy rags before God Isaiah 64:6, This is the work of God that you believe in Him whom He sent John 6 29, yes those who believe in Him completely have forginess of sins Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood the forgiveness of sins in accordance with the riches of God's grace. As believers what we do are fruits as gratitude and love - what God has done fo us, not works to get us to heaven
Moses being called "like God" to Pharaoh in Exodus does not equate him with deity. It symbolizes authority given by God for a specific purpose. In contrast, Thomas' declaration of "My Lord and my God" to Jesus in the New Testament affirms Jesus' divinity, a central belief in orthodox Christianity. So, while Moses' authority was specific to his role, Thomas' acknowledgment of Jesus as God supports the Christian understanding of Jesus' deity.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
In the NWT everywhere the word proskneo is used for Jehovah the English word “worship” is used but when that same word proskyneo is used for Jesus the English word “do obeisance” is used. How does the definition for the same exact word change?
Awesome video. I added the verse you gave them to my collection lol. Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33) 😊 Just after Jesus's resurrection some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was HIM, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).
“The greatest commandment is ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God the Lord is ONE!” ~ Mark 12:29 “Why do you call ME good? No one is good except GOD alone!” ~ Mark 10:18 “Father, I praise you, LORD of heaven and earth!” ~ Matthew 11:25 “But of that day and hour NO ONE knows, not even the angels in Heaven or the son, but the Father ONLY!” ~ Mark 13:32 “The Father is GREATER than I!” ~ John 14:28 “I of my own self can do NOTHING - I judge as I hear and my judgement is just, for I seek NOT my own will but the will of the One who SENT me.” ~ John 5:30 “Now THIS is Eternal Life: that they know You, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus the Messiah whom YOU have sent!” ~ John 17:3 “I am going back to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and YOUR GOD!” ~ John 20:17 And the list goes on. We’re not ignorant. You are. And Jesus will no doubt stand as a witness to testify against you on the Day of Resurrection, that he never told you to worship him, but to serve God alone-his Lord and your Lord. I hope you repent before it’s too late. And know that God is One - and there is no other besides Him. Peace, Your Muslim neighbor
You are ignorant, JW's have the truth, Jesus NEVER claimed to be anything but subject to Jehovah and unable to do anything without his approval. Your beliefs are wrong but most people will perish due to their refusal to learn the truth.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@jimmyfranklin4781 : You claimed that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh. However, John 10: 30 does not say that. Jesus simply claims that he is one with the Father. But in what sense ? In his prayer in John 17, Jesus requests that his disciples also be one just as he and the Father are. (John 17 :11). The disciples are not one being , but one in purpose, unity. Again in verse 21, Jesus prays that they all may be one and in us . Clearly, this is being one in unity and purpose, not ontological.
to those that like the Harry Potter books because of what it brings to their life, then I don't see why that matters much to you? People argue over politics and the shape of the earth also.
You will meet God one day. Repent and believe or spend eternity away from Him. The arrogance of man. Good is so merciful but His mercy will end and He is coming back…
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1..
2 Cor. 5:19 - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
John 1:10 "He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. " How can this get any clearer to these people?
@@djparsons7363 "No man", key part there. You must remember that, while on earth, Jesus was both man and God. He was never "man" before he was born. Therefore, the man Jesus never did see God (the full trinity, God in his fullness). The God Jesus, did/has. I hope this clears this up for you.
@@jeremywj : The 'no man' is talking about humans and not Jesus. Jesus has seen God and knows who God is. (John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him. Jesus knows who God is. He was in the best position to explain who God is TO HUMANS.
@@jimjuri6490 I understand that. The guy I was replying to was making it sound like since "no man" has seen God, and Jesus was a man (partially true), then Jesus was not God. My argument is the "man Jesus" did, in fact, not see God. The "God Jesus", of course, did/has/does.
We need to pray just as hard for JW, because they are deceived by a lying spirit. God open their eyes so they may see the plain evidence in Scripture and see the lies that the Watchtower have been propagating.
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace....,,,..
@@markuse3472 May God open your eyes. In all of your arguing you are missing the main point! If Jesus isn't God in the flesh, then you are still in your sins, and you have no hope for eternal redemption and rescue from them. Only a sacrifice from deity would be sufficient to remit, forgive, send away sins. A sacrifice of a human merits nothing. You are still in your sins. Please consider this and ask for God to open your understanding and see the Holy One of Israel as He truly is.
Their kingdom interlinear version 1969 changed "they worshiped" to giving "Obescience/ respect" to him because they knew this was a contradiction to their doctrine.
Does this somehow cast a bad light on this Bible translation? The translators decided to use a word that better described to the reader the meaning of the Greek word “proskuneo,” since many have a very “western,” view or understanding of “worship.” Nothing misleading or underhanded was done. In fact, it was not brought out that in the New World Translation reference Bible in the footnote clearly informs the reader, “or let worship.”
Their translation committee doesn’t even know Greek or Hebrew and Johannes greber is a spirit medium who they credited for their John 1:1 translation ; would you trust a spirit medium translation of that text ? Or people that don’t know the language to translate?; it’s obviously a bias translation cause if they use any other bible they can’t get around the fact that Jesus is to be worshipped like the Father and I don’t know how they can’t see that we are supposed to partake of the communion emblems Jesus said if you don’t partake than you have no life in you and that life being him who is the way the truth and the life and no one goes to the father except through him our loving saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth; I believe in you Lord and humble myself before you and openly publicly acknowledge you thank you for saving me let your Holy Spirit guide me and teach me; let me not be deceived by any false teachings let your Spirit of truth envelope and train my mine to be set on you in spirit and in truth ❤✝️🙏🏻
This is wrong in all respect, translating the Word was God is a polytheistic rendering of the text. 1808: “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and a god was the Word.”-The Emphatic Diaglott (interlinear reading), By Benjamin Wilson
@@Dee_Dan_ Mate you need to learn what the Witnesses are, They're Henotheists which is a branch of Polytheism. Christians are Monotheists. When you use "a god" for John 1:1 that is polytheism You quote Thomas Belsham, 1)what are his credentials in translating Greek and specifically Koine Greek 2) you might find this is a Paraphrase Bible (hopefully you know what that word means) 3) If this guy is a Greek Scholar ( HE'S NOT BY THE WAY) Belsham was an assistant teacher or Teachers Aid in Greek. So please show me his peer reviewed papers re Koine Greek and ANY qualifications SPECIFICALLY IN KOINE GREEK, not just Greek. This is a completely different language. 4) Hundreds and Hundreds of Greek Scholars render it "the Word was God", you have only quoted 1 non peer reviewed translation who's author was not a Greek Scholar with peer reviews. 5) This "translation" was completed in 1808, this is the horse and buggy era, this is over 200 years ago. If you understood ANYTHING about Koine Greek, literally thousands of new discoveries in translating Greek have been discovered since then. 6)Please advise who are the translators of the NWT and their full qualifications to translate into Hebrew and Greek. 7)Britannica says :Henotheism (from the Greek heis theos, “one god”)-the worship of one god, though the existence of other gods is granted-also called kathenotheism 8)Britannica says: Polytheism, the belief in many gods. Polytheism characterizes VIRTUALLY ALL RELIGIONS OTHER THAN JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, AND ISLAM, WHICH SHARE A COMMON TRADITION OF MONOTHEISM, THE BELIEF IN ONE GOD. Finally, you had better brush up on your terminology. Christians are Monotheists "Word was God" Jehovah's Witnesses are Henotheist/ Polytheists. Word was A god" Checkmate Mr Jehovah Witness.
G'day Jordan, have a look at the response I sent Dee Dan, he is completely ignorant of all the things he has quoted. BTW there is another Spirit Medium whom the WT quoted in support of John 1:1, his name was John S Thompson and he is in WT material. If you need the source material, I can get it for you. Also the WT endorsed Johannes Greber for over 35 years. I have that source material also. “Very plainly the spirits in which ex-priest Greber believes helped him in his translation.” WT 2/15/1956, pp. 110-11 Johannes Greber cited for support.WORD, p. 5 Johannes Greber cited for support.MAKE SURE ’65, p. 489” “Johannes Greber cited for support for Matthew 27:52-53.AID, p. 1134 Johannes Greber cited for support for John 1:1.AID, p. 1669 Johannes Greber cited for support.WT 9/15/1962, p. 554 Johannes Greber quoted about Matthew 27:52-53WT 10/15/1975, p. 640 Johannes Greber cited for support.WT 4/15/1976, p. 231 “Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber? . . . The Watchtower has deemed it improper to make use of a translation that has such a close rapport with spiritism.” WT 4/1/1983, p. 31” So the WT knew he was a Spirit Medium in 1956 and continued for 35 years quoting him. The Spanish edition of the WT used Johannes Greber until 1989 even though the English stopped using his quotes in 1983.
@@Dee_Dan_ do you not see how that text translation is antichrist? Trying to obscure the deity of Christ if you believe that Jesus is a creature rather than creator you are gravely mislead and the only way you can get the truth is by Holy Spirit guidance that you clearly don’t have if you’re going off what men say. psalm 118:8-9 🙏🏻❤️✝️
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace..........
@@mikedavis2296 You should read that with the tanslate on. It says "prostrate" which means lying stretched out on the ground with one's face downward different from worship.
@@mikedavis2296 my favorite is how JW's will complain about those that "bash" their beliefs or "hate" them or are "vile towards their faith" and then like the hypocrites will do that to others not even aware the hate and anger that is in their heart. Sad!
The biggest problem with understanding who God is when you place a name to YHWH. YHWH represents the Deity of the Old testament period. The new testament tells you who that Deity in the Old Testament....example 1 Corinthians 10:1-4. Or when Jesus said " I come in my Father's name" meaning both have the same name Jesus Christ.
Genesis 1:1 " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ". Yet Jesus created ALL things. So Genesis 1:1 Jesus is God . Jesus divonity is undeniable
On the serious side though, the correct response by the JWs should have been .... "What about the Greek?" "The Greek says worshipped" "No the Greek says "proskuneo", which is a very relative term that does not necessarily mean worship. But also "do obeisance", "bow down", "pay homage,", "give tribute", etc., depending on the context.
@@antonioterrell354That’s correct. To mention only a few, here are some examples of others receiving PROSKUNEO in the Greek Septuagint. Genesis 33:3: Jacob bowed to his brother Esau Exodus 18:7: Moses bowed to his father-in-law Ruth 2:10: Ruth bowed to Boaz 1 Samuel 20:41: David bowed to Jonathan 1 Samuel 24:8: David bowed to King Saul 1 Samuel 25:3: Abigail bowed to David Daniel 2:46: Nebuchadnezzar bowed to Daniel All use PROSKUNEO in the Greek LXX.
You're right. I'm an ex-JW so I have a lot of experience with this topic, and in every single instance the Greek word "proskuneo" appears in reference to Jesus, the JWs translate it as "do obeisance." The same thing happens in the book of Matthew, specifically when Jesus walks on water and calms the storm, after which the apostles "do obeisance to" Jesus in the boat. This Greek word, "proskuneo," is the same word used in Revelation when John makes to worship the angel, who warns him not to do that because worship belongs to God alone. Both of those instances translated as "worship" are "proskuneo" in the Koine Greek Bible. They have to translate it as "do obeisance" in order to deceive the JWs into believing the Bible doesn't say Jesus is God.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
from nEW TESTament Greek Lexicon - NAS - Proskuneo Definition NAS Word Usage - Total: 60 to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
Great conversation! When I was a teen (20th century 😅) some people from the JW organization stopped by my Mom's house. I took the literature they were handing out, and very enthusiastically told them I would look at it. I told them would love to discuss it the next week. We had a date, and I believe a time too. They did not come back!!!! 😭
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Ok, but remember, if you go with that interpretation you have to be consistent with it. Otherwise it's really "special pleading." Now just before Heb. 1:10-12, verses 8, 9 are a direct quotation from Psa. 45:6, 7, referring to a human Israelite King, likely Solomon (same with Heb. 1:5b as a quotation of 2 Sam. 7:14). So applying the same kind of interpretation Solomon must be actually be Jesus and therefore Solomon is really God too, right?
Hebrews is clearly talking about Jesus and in doing so the author applys the attributes of God Almighty or you can even say if talking to JW "Jahovah" to The Son Jesus. the author of Hebrews is quoting Psalms 102 to prove that. Now, with a lot of prophecy, they do have kind of a dual meaning. By that I mean, there was a immediate fulfillment. Sometimes in the Old Testament, but there's also a bigger fulfillment. Which is Christ and he truly fulfills all those prophecies, so even if the other psalms was referencing, Solomon solomon is not God, so those attributes in verse 10 of Hebrews could only be applied to the god almighty, which are then applied to Jesus, saying that. Jesus is God almighty.
@joshruyle6628 ; So if Heb. 1:10-12 is actually a greater fulfillment in Christ over the individual referred to at Psa. 102:25-27. That would mean the Son is actually greater than the Father Jehovah (and the HS as well I assume)! Not equal to him wouldn't it?
@joshruyle6628 ; No, that's not at all what I'm getting from the text. But appears to be a consequence of your description of it. And yes I'm one of JWs .... .
The Luke 4 / Luke 24 worship explanation is brilliant!!!!!!! By the way, Exodus 7:1 does NOT say God will make Moses a god to Pharoah - it says God will make him “like God” to Pharoah.
Not really. In both cases (Luke 4 / Luke 24) there is the Greek word "proskyneo", which is translated as "Worship". If we translate this word this way, we must be consistent and translate it the same way every time. Let's see what happens. Matthew 2:2 " and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” " Magi from the east considered the King of Israel to be the God? Matthew 2:9 "He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him" Herod was afraid that God was born, or rather the King of Israel? Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars-I will make them come and fall down(worship you )at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. People from the Satan synagogue are supposed to worship Christians? By the way, Exodus 4:16 and Exodus 7:1 In the original Hebrew text, there is no word "like" - this is the translator's interpretation
The JWs used to worship Jesus. They then changed their position. They even used to celebrate Christmas, but, again, later changed. This applied to so many of their beliefs.
When God restored His True Worship and began gathering His Witnesses as promised at Micah 4:1-5, those who were being gathered would have traces of what they formerly believed. That is why a refining takes place gradually. Malachi 3:3 And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, AND THEY WILL CERTAINLY BECOME to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness. Note the process of refinement. Ultimately, JWs will be the only True Worshipers around in these last days. Compare who survives as shown at Revelation 7:9,10,14.
And they shall call him Wonderful Concellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace.-->Jesus. Those who believe are not condemned, but those who don't believe are condemned already.
A very respectful discussion. Mr. Ross' has a very careful and patient approach. The testimony of Scripture is clear. The statement concerning Luke 24:52, "And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy..." is only problematic IF its been determined a priori (Lat. 'from what is before') that Jesus is not the Second Person of the Godhead. Even from the opening Hebrew text, considerations within Genesis show more than one person: 1:1 (elohim), 1:2 (ruah elohim), and 3: 8 (Yahweh/Adoni elohim). As Hebrew scholar, Allan Ross, points out (in his Background to the New Testament course--through Beeson Divinity School) that in Rabbinic Judaism, the person of Jesus as a potential candidate to be Israel's Messiah is denied NOT on the basis of a lack of data, but mere blindness. And that leads to the ultimate question of the nature of spiritual realities. Humanity struggles when something does not appear to make sense. That's the way it is. Only prayer and the power of God can open the eyes of the heart to remove the veil of spiritual blindness.
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Rutherford BOTH taught that Jesus was to be worshipped. They even quoted verses in the Bible to support their claim. The same exact verses that JW's use now to say, "that word doesn't mean 'worship'." When I confronted a JW about this one time his argument to me was, "well, what does Russell REALLY mean when he says the word worship?" I was thinking, "Sir, Russell spoke the same English you and I speak today. When he said worship he meant worship like the way we use it. He wasn't speaking Greek or Hebrew where we have to try and figure out the meaning of the word. The word 'worship' in English, spoken by a native English speaker, means 'worship."
Firstborn is referring to his resurrection. He God’s word manifested in flesh declared to be the Son of God by his resurrection. He is the heir (Firstborn) of all things.
@Rue Ross - Thank You for allowing me to post. Normally, I am only allowed to post once and the owner of the channel will shut me down. I thank You! Peace!
I would tell them that were not allowed to worship creation, And then I would tell them that every knee in and under heaven will bow to Jesus!!! Now how does that work??
Bowing and worshipping would be two separate things. People bow before leaders all the time. See what that scripture says. Why would all creation bow before Jesus? (Philippians 2:11) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
@@DustinBaerwolf-kv9jx : I will bow before a King, a Judge, and many others in authority. That doesn't mean I worship them. 1 Peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king. Note: Jesus has only ONE BODY of Disciples. They are COMPLETELY UNITED (1 Corinthians 1:10)
In 1John 1:5 it says God is Light. Guess who else says they are Light as well.😊(John chapter 1 says He(Jesus) is Light as well, and that He is coming into the world, so He must have also been Light in Heaven.👍
I love this video: I have a Jehova witness friend anytime we tell her turh about Jesus, she will ends all conversation. I will share this video with her, and pray they repent, thanks 😊. 🇳🇬
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
It is true that David was not the firstborn of his father Jesse, nor was he the first king of Israel. However, the first king of Israel, Saul, was rejected by God and removed from God's throne, no longer God's king. The second king of Israel, David, was the first king to remain faithful until his death and, hence, the "firstborn" of all the faithful kings of Israel who will be resurrected by God. He will be "firstborn" (first in time on Israel's throne) among all those kings who will return. However, he certainly will not be pre-eminent over one of those other kings who is his descendent: Jesus Christ. We also find that David is the first king whom God made a covenant with for an "everlasting kingdom" - 2 Sam. 7:12-16. [He is also the first of the descendants of Judah who are to rule forever (Saul was descended from Benjamin) - Gen. 49:10] He may be considered "firstborn" in this sense, also. So we can see that Saul was the first king of Israel, but he didn't remain faithful to God ["call upon me, saying `thou art my Father, my God'"]. The very first king of Israel to remain faithful to God was David. In that sense, then, David became "firstborn" [of all succeeding faithful earthly kings of Israel]. However, the later fulfillment of Ps. 89:27 is in the person of Jesus Christ (who is the firstborn of God in another sense) and not the literal David. We see the Messiah being called, figuratively, "David, my servant" at Ezekiel 34:23, 24 just as he is in this Psalm (89:20). We see the final fulfillment of Ps. 89:26-29 in Jesus Christ (Luke 1:32, 33; Heb. 1:5, 6; Jn 20:17).
I love the end.. "But hey something for you guys to think about, it's been good talking"... They are going to have to have honest conversation with themselves, I hope they do.
Isn't there something incorrect with that translation? I was WITH my Grandpa and I WAS my Grandpa???? 'and the Word WAS God' would show that the Word at the beginning WAS God. However, he got demoted and now: (John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.” Here is how the proper translations read. • 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. • 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) • 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) • 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863) A few among many. A god means a mighty being. Jesus being an angel would be a mighty being.
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.” II John 1:7-11
The Only example that prototokos is used to define it other than what prototokos means is with David’s example. BUT: 1.Jesus is not david 2. Jesus is supposedly one of the persons of the trinity him being called God to make jesus equal to david in the use of that example is not a legimate application 3. In the grammar when someone is the “firstborn of” they are always members of that which they are firstborn of: Jesus being firstborn of the kings is himself a King. There are NO examples that provides an exception to that rule not one Bible verse. Jesus being the firstborn of all creation would make him: part of creation.
In Luke 4 Jesus does not say that one should worship no other God He said "'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (NIV) "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (KJV) We are told to SERVE God alone' The Greek word translated as "worship" here means to 'show honour to' as one wokd to anyone of higher station The disciples did not worship Jesus in a religious way at all. They showed him honour as a person of higher station.
Speaking as an Ex JW after 50+ years of being in this cult, I can tell you for a fact that very few of the members really know the Bible or have ever read it. I woke up and discovered that I wasted the best part of my life on a man made cult!
NEVER TRUST anyone who seeks out others, In the name of "religion" "For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve."
Alternative take: they can’t get too far off their own script, just like any believer. Refuse to go along with their narrative and they fold. I’ve done this to many Christians as an atheist. Did I beat Christ with the power of Satan? No, because neither exist. Mystery solved; have a scooby snack.
Worshiped: Luke 24:52 Strongs Concordance. To kiss, like a dog licking his masters hand; to fawn or crouch; prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore); worship. Sounds pretty much like worship is the word in Greek.
Great job! Wish you'd then immediately taken them to the greek for Luke 4:8. Clearly talking about Jehovah, and clearly "worship" (in their own NWT translation). Same greek root word: Proskyneseis.
from New Testament Greek Lexicon - Proskuneo Definition NAS Word Usage - Total: 60 to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
Revised Standard Version Luke 24:50-52 50. Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51. While he blessed them, he parted from them, was carried up into heaven. 52. And they returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53. and were continually in the temple blessing God. There is no mention of worshiping Jesus here.
If you can get your hands on the 1984 ed. Of the NWT turn to page 1547 and at the bottom of the page it says that: [ ] Brackets enclosed words INSERTED to complete the English text. Then turn to Col. 1:15-17 , there you'll see that the word OTHER is in brackets 4 times. If you read it without the word OTHER it clearly shows that Jesus is the Creator. If you read the same scripture in their 2013 ed. They kept the word OTHER and remove the brackets after ADMITTING they INSERTED it in their 1984 ed. That my friend is changing God's word. To drive to point home, always compare scripture to scripture there will be no contradictions UNLESS you add or take it out of context. Get them to read Gen. 2:1,2 where it says that Jehovah created EVERYTHING by HIMSELF and brought creation to it's COMPLETION. Also Isaiah 44:24 where Jehovah said He created EVERYTHING by HIMSELF and even asked the question who was with me? While you're here also read Isaiah 45:12 Where it says that Jehovah created EVERYTHING HIMSELF by His own hands . Now ask the JW'S since Jehovah said He brought creation to it's COMPLETION Himself in GENESIS, Just what was the OTHER THINGS that Jesus created and when?
If the whole of the Bible points to certain a conclusion then anything from first glance supports some other reasoning then we have to allow God to show us how this seemingly contradictory verse to marry up with the rest
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
Where does it say that there’s a spirit God and fleshly part that came to earth? How would a half God half and half human balance the scale of justice regarding the ransom setting a free from sin?
I love how respectful this conversation was❤
Damn bro you ain’t offer them some water while you cook em? You ruthless 😭
Have you commented on the right video. He ain’t got enough bible knowledge to blow up a box of matches much less cook anyone with it!
@@jahtruthdefenderPlease explain... There's 2 of them and one of him . Yet it's sounds like he had enough Bible knowledge to bring silence
@@eddiemoise8079 That means nothing! His Bible knowledge is wrong, it's useless, they knew it was a waste of time trying to reason with someone so ignorant.
@@eddiemoise8079 The two are always fire fighting his misinterpretation of scripture or a biblical account. For instance, not even amongst the Trinitarian scholar community is there the consensus that Thomas was addressing Jesus. Therefore you would have to establish why John's style of writing would be suggesting the contrary to the Greek norms of a nominative case word meaning it is not directing at anyone.
Example: I approach you and say "My lord" How do you tell from that whether I am addressing you or another person or if it's a surprised reaction. Should it not be the context.
What is the context to Thomas? John 20:24 "Now Thomas called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” *But he replied, “Unless I see the nail marks in His hands, and put my finger where the nails have been, and put my hand into His side, I will never believe*
The disciples didn't say that we have seen *God* but the *Lord* So what is it that Thomas will never believe? It is not the latter. The whole chapter is about Thomas finally believing Jesus was resurrected, not Jesus' identity. Therefore, this is *not* an ontological statement but a statement of priority (position/authority)
Again his argument about "firstborn" is incorrect. There is a vast difference between God bestowing the firstborn status on David and Paul stating Jesus is *the firstborn*
This is why I stated it is a continual putting out the fire debate. If you want to go deeper I will
@@djparsons7363of course another empty youtube account that blasphemes Jesus. It’s alot of these accounts. That can’t do more then make claims
If more Christians would take the time to witness to the JW's the way you have done, more witnesses would come to Christ. Thank you for recording this for all to see. Subscribed.
Everyday millions are realizing that you'll teach lies and are coming to an accurate knowledge of truth. If we all come and record how embarrassing you'll have been on TH-cam you'll run.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 What is your point?
There is the Holy Spirit that leads is too Christ, and then there is the wicked one and his seed that hates Christ and will try to steer you away from him
@@jollygoodshow5608 Evidence shows we have God's backing. Many leaving your church everyday.
Even their own society use the word worship up until 1950. Grab an older watchtower book. They’re so inconsistent it’s shameful.
How about until the new revised 2013 Bible. Even though the 1984 iteration did change the word worship to obeisance, they had a footnote that would read “or worship.”
The 2013 version is extremely perverted for many reasons, but there were several condemning footnotes that have been completely removed from this iteration.
The way the world worship is used in ancient Mediterranean is different from the way we use it in modern times. Kings are worshiped in the Bible.
@@bygeorgehemayberite8385 the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914
I know exactly what it means, & it depends on the context. So is Jesus simply a dignitary or political figure? Why do The Revelation Book on p. 61 use to “bow down” to The Anointed Class? Why did The Angels reject individuals to “bow down” to them, & why r u using that same proskyneo as worship when it comes to Jehovah but not Jesus?
@@Dee_Dan_
Could u provide a scripture where it says an appointed King by God was worshipped?
Fantastic job, young man! May you be blessed as you bless the lives of others! You can make a difference for the kingdom of God!
What did he say that couldn’t be overturned by the scriptures?
They tell you that they are ok using any Bible translation until they are not ok using any Bible translation. Good job of witnessing for Christ my fellow brother. We love jw and want them all to come to the saving grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ revealed through The Holy Spirit.
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace......
Like all the rest of the alleged Christians, the one who rightly deserves our worship is ignored completely, Jehovah. That's who Jesus told people to worship, he never said to worship him. Who did the ancient Jews worship, they knew nothing of Jesus, ALL their worship was directed only to Jehovah so that is who JW's CORRECTLY direct their worship.
We give Jesus due reverence as Messiah and savior but only Jehovah deserves worship.
John 17:26: “[Jesus prayed to his Father:] I have made your name known to them [his followers] and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”
If you ignore Jehovah's name, you aren't worshipping the correct God.
@@djparsons7363Jesus even stated he takes NO glory from man ONLY from his Father.
@@markuse3472 God bless you Mark.
@@djparsons7363 God bless you DJ
Very encouraging man. You’re very gentle with them. And you inspire me bro.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time.
Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things?
New American Standard Bible
And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you need to stop making stuff up, it's really embarrassing how you ramble on stuff that has nothing but your own personal opinion, interpretation and ideas. It isn't backed by anything with clear evidence, just folklore that you present as your own version of truth.
Again, the NWT is a false book because it inserts words that are NOT found in the Greek and the authors of the NWT didn't know any Greek or Hebrew.
So, if you want to study from a false book that is up to you. I'm sure our adversary, the prince of the earth, would be pleased with your progress.
I loved this. Thanks for your boldness to let the truth be known. You planted seeds for them to think about and stood your ground for the kingdom. Would love to see more JW videos like this. Bless you.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time.
Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Are you listening to what he is saying? The problem is you are picking and choosing when and how to interpret it to fit a narrative. It should be a scientific methods, if the word is true you shouldn't even have to do that. That is always going to come off dishonest. Just the fact you believe in many Gods makes you a cult imo my man. I don't mean to be rude but that is wild to me.
They are training to avoid this type of conversations. They have to follow a script in their visits. Step by step. Then is really difficult to chat with them properly because as you can see they deny the evidence like the Greek translation, what is insane.
I love Jesus Christ so so very very much and I am a ex jw hi hi 👋🏻
Genesis 23:7 says he is incorrect. Good try though.
@@mikedavis2296here we go again. So tell me is the name jehovah in the greek scriptures
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. There's only one name given among men to call on for our salvation and that name is Jesus! @mikedavis2296
@@ricklee5802official.1Rope_fan
"Jehovah" was never in the O.T. either. But, try telling a believer that.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 i am aware of that. The name Jehovah was invented in 1270 by Raymundis Martini. Try telling JWs that.
The JW Bible was not translated by Hebrew and Greek Scholars, that's the biggest problem. They changed the scriptures to match their beliefs. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.. that's that correct translation for John 1:1
Look up Jason Beduhn’s “Truth in Translation”
SAHIDIC COPTIC text of the Bible says A god in John 1:1
@@Mr.DC3.1914 ive just seen this for the first time. so about 1700 years ago, there is a manuscripe the says "the word was (a) god"
If this is the correct translation, please explain the contradiction : If the Word is with God, how can the word be God ? If Jesus is the word, who is God in this verse?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 you completelhy glossed over the FACT that the "JW Bible was not translated by Hebrew and Greek Scholars"
Why did you ignore that fact?? Is it because you don't have any good response so you avoid it hoping that fact will just disappear?
Short and sweet and to the point. This was an awesome witness to the lost JW's.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time.
Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created *ALL* things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
That was one of the best scripture led arguments I’ve seen when confronting the sad lies of JWs. Continue to pray for them and their families that they be led out of the slavery of the ‘organization’ just as Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, and just as Jesus leads us out of our sin.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 good job spamming the channel. Is that the best you can come up with? Is that all the mind of a Jehovah Witness can muster? An argument from Old English? The funny part is that in the 1st sentence you answer what the original Greek meaning is WORSHIP. I’ll pray for you directly.
@@user-xp8tb3qq7z AND STILL denying that proskyneo also means BOW AND OBEISANCE?
@@user-xp8tb3qq7z Even JESUS himself said that I DO NOT ACCEPT GLORY(greek word also means worship) FROM MEN - JOhn 5:41
@@Mr.DC3.1914 show in the NT where proskuneo is used for anything other than worship
Great work young brother. What a way to witness to a Jehovah’s Witness. 😊
God bless you from an exJW now Christian ❤
Love how civil this discussion is , this is Christianity
Notice how almost silent they become when they have someone who knows the truths of God's Word
Silent because they were trying really hard to find an excuse that was taught to them to use but could not.
They have the truth, silent because they couldn't understand the pagan trinity doctrine like millions of other "Christians"
@@nigelackroyd7991 The Trinity is not pagan
The teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses are false
@nigelackroyd7991 ;
Yeah ...
Just like something I was reminded of recently.
At Jn. 4:22, Jesus tells the Samaritan woman at the time that "you (the Samaritans) worship what you do not know. We worship what we know."
Ah ..."**We** worship?"
You mean Jesus also worships the Hebrew God of the Jews YHWH as well?
So Christ is supposedly God, yet he worships God?
God worships God now?
How can any even half rational mind make sense out of something as ridiculous as that?...
@@antonioterrell354 That's because He is God's Son but God at the same time
Awesome! Way to go! Praying you continue to your labor of love for these lost souls. It’s very difficult to reason with them!
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
@@Mr.DC3.1914 so only one translation got it right, the one that had not one single greek scholar on the team. the one that contradicts itself using the SAME word differently each time.
Also, if you read John 1:3 and then Colossians 1:16-17 there is a HUGE contradiction that is put into place because the NWT inserts the word "other" but didn't do the same thing in John 1:3 so that it has different meaning. This causes a HUGE problem because we see clearly that Jesus created ALL things but not Himself.
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Col 1 and John 1 use DIA which means A CHANNEL OF AN ACT and COl 1 also uses EN which means INSTRUMENTALITY - so GOD used Jesus as a CHANNEL/INSTRUMENT in the act of creation. btw, ALL OTHER is a valid translation as the greek word PAS also means SOME OF ALL Types to show exceptions. Why, you think the SON created the FATHER?
THE GREEK WORD PAS - can be translated as ALL OTHER so PLS STOP LYING - LUKE 13:2 New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL OTHER Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than ALL THE OTHER Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
@@georgebauerschmidt5289 PAS/PANTA can imply “other” in scripture.
Luke 13:2: “Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the OTHER people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered?”-NLT
1 Corinthians 6:18, “Run from sexual sin! No OTHER sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.”-NLT
Philippians 2:9, “Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all OTHER names,”-NLT
Luke 21:29, “Then he gave them this illustration: “Notice the fig tree, or any OTHER tree.”-NLT
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace.........
Thanks you very much young brother in christ
Bravo, wish they’ll return and ask you for more corrections they need to know😅 I as JW was done when they changed Micah 6:8 from love kindness to cherish loyalty and omitted John 8:1 to 11😮
:If you chesck many modern BIbles in the marginal or footnote references, they will inform the reader that these verses are not in the most ancient manuscripts. They are spurious just like 1 John 5 :7 in the KJV which has been removed from all modern Bibles.
very inspiring use of the study of God's word.
“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
2 John 1:10-11 KJV
I don't think this means you can't evangelize to them, even in your own home.
Receive him not into your house: I see this as not a long term guest or permanent residence. Or as part of a social gathering. The term "house" should be applied to your dwelling and place of worship.
neither bid him God speed: Don't encourage them in their spreading of the false doctrine.
Having a conversation with them, if they are willing to have a civil one, is perfectly okay. These people are, likely, not intentionally spreading a false gospel. They are, but that is because they have been deceived. Wouldn't it be better to try and correct them before they (unintentionally) deceive others so that they will cease doing so?
@@jeremywj it’s a spiritual thing you don’t want to open the door to demons, you’re allowing spirits into your home, it’s very deep understanding but God didn’t have things written in his word for nothing. I’m not against showing them the truth but personally I would not invite them into your house.
I have come to understand there are those who are in darkness and will not or cannot see what is plainly before them. There are spiritual forces at work to keep people blind to the truth and in the darkness of their religious traditions, void of truth.
1 Timothy 3:16
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
King James Version (KJV)
What does rhe verse say in modern translations ? Are they all wrong ?
When I post scripture, the owner of this channel will block me....because they do not like the truth.
Was Jesus God? NO!!! Is Jesus the only way to God? YES!!! John 14:6
Understand what Jesus said "John 14:24" the word which ye hear is not mine. Lets go back to the beginning, Deuteronomy 18:15, 18-19 and turn to Paul in Acts 3:22-26 and acts 2:22 and move into Hebrews 1:1-2.
So, what did Thomas say? And who was Thomas speacking too? Here is the answer...read carefully. John 7:16-17 and 2 Corinthians 5:19 kjv. More, when the Lord was baptized, what happen? Matthew 3:16....is 2 Corinthians 5:19 and understand "whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" and Mark 12:29 ONE God.
Jesus was created by God Hebrews 2:7....Jesus is the Son John 3:16 and Jesus prayed to God Mark 14:36 and Jesus could do NOTHING of himself John 5:30.
Jesus is Anointed....He is King and High Priest, a Good Shepherd which leads us in worshipping our Father, God Almighty.
Jesus is the Lamb, he died om a cross and on the third day Romans 10:9 and Jesus is "given" all power and authorithy by God, God is the Power and Authority!
Either you believe in the One True God or you believe in a False god. I choose to worship the exact same God our Lord Jesus worships.
Peace!
@@tmcge3325
Godhead bodily
I realize there are some translations like the KJV that have "God," instead of "He," or "Who." The New KJV alerts readers that earlier manuscripts omit "God."
Do you know why even informed trinitarians don’t use this as a proof text?
@NickHawaii that's the problem, if they are not using the KJB they don't have the word of God
Pearls to swine... Only God can change a heart
He planting the seeds of truth
And are we not all swine?
@@seensaw7339 we are joint heirs.
Exactly, they laughed it off like they even took a look at any concordance. The manuscripts would not say what there translations would say
@@dyerseve07 : Joint heir of what, may we ask?
If Jesus is an heir, he logically cannot be God.
Well done. May our Lord & Savior, Jesus Christ, rescue these men and use them for further kingdom work.
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
If prototokos (firstborn) is applied to Jesus to mean he is pre-eminent one, then how come the bible doesn't say God or the Holy Spirit is pre-eminent?...that Jesus had a beginning is stated in Revelation 3:14 where Jesus says that he is..."the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness...the beginning of the creation BY GOD". The King James version also gives a similar reading of Jesus' statement. Therefore the Son had a start, a beginning somewhere in time.
And if Jesus wasn’t really the first born…then who was?? 😀
@@NickHawaii The bible actually teaches that Jesus is God's firstborn son. Jesus is unique in that he alone was directly created by God his heavenly father. Revelation 3:14 Jesus says that he is "...the faithful and True witness, the beginning of the Creation by God".
@@roeltingzon758 Yes I 100% agree. 👍
Silence! Job well done! God bless!
JWs really want to argue about rhe Greek..ask them who translated their Bible..their "anonymous " editors..but yet their translation which is the one that differs from all others is the right one? Don't they see/ hear themselves how they have to make such an effort to make the Bible not say what it really does?
Most JW’s have no idea about the history of the new world translation they use. When I grew up in it I was told the NWT said the exact same thing that the King James said with the exception of the “thee, thou, etc” and “putting Jehovah’s name back in. The problem is that they are taught to ignore anything that speaks contrary to the watchtower. So they won’t see because of that.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@@joej19 WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
FROM new testament Greek Lexicon - Proskuneo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 60
to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
No one takes the JW Bible seriously, It is a corrupt
How amazingly constructed explanation by this young man! Exact, precise, to the point.
Very well done brother! You made Jesus, our God and Saviour happy!
And JWs remind me of shady, sneaky lawyers, who twist the truth and lie, when they have no evidence for their false claims.
God bless you young warrior! 🙂
Greetings from Hungary!
Firstborn is his humanity becoming divine in his resurrection. Only begotten is his divinity in eternity. He is the Godman
Not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of my Father John 6:38-40, the work of God is to believe in the One He has sent John 6:28-29, God wants us to have to have faith in his Son 1 John 3 23, you believe in His Son you have life Eternal life 1John 5:12, Every one who does not believe that Jesus is Lord will die in their sins John 8 24 n will be cast into the lake of fire Rev 20 14, there will weeping and gnashing of teeth Mat 13 :49-50
Jesus said have faith in God and ALSO me. (John 14:1) That doesn’t make me think he thought he was God.
@@NickHawaii if you reject Christ,you also reject the Holy Spirit John 15'26, the Holy Spirit is the One who testify about Him and tells us who is Christ John 14'26 He is the One who remind us everything Christ has told r taught us, Lord Jesus Christ said if you don't believe that I am you will die in your sins John 8 24. But whenever some turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is Spirit and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom 2 Corinthians 3:16, know the truth and the truth will set you free John 8 31-32, Christ is the Way the Truth and the Life John 14 6
@@selekanotshenye4608 Yes I agree. But doesn’t make them the same. You can sin against Jesus and be forgiven. But if you sin against God’s Holy Spirit there is no forgiveness.
@@NickHawaii the Lord is rejecting believers those who trust in their works Matt 7 21 -23, they don't trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ Acts 10'43, No one can be justified by their own works Gal 2:16, our works or deeds are filthy rags before God Isaiah 64:6, This is the work of God that you believe in Him whom He sent John 6 29, yes those who believe in Him completely have forginess of sins Ephesians 1:7 In Him we have redemption through His blood the forgiveness of sins in accordance with the riches of God's grace. As believers what we do are fruits as gratitude and love - what God has done fo us, not works to get us to heaven
@@selekanotshenye4608 No one is saved in that God owes us anything. But he is looking for obedience and so is his Son. Love requires proof.
Other dude was already faded .. 😂
Moses being called "like God" to Pharaoh in Exodus does not equate him with deity. It symbolizes authority given by God for a specific purpose. In contrast, Thomas' declaration of "My Lord and my God" to Jesus in the New Testament affirms Jesus' divinity, a central belief in orthodox Christianity. So, while Moses' authority was specific to his role, Thomas' acknowledgment of Jesus as God supports the Christian understanding of Jesus' deity.
This is wrong in every respect Moses was not made a false God to pharaoh. He was a deity for that purpose.
the Greek word proskyneo means worship, bow and obeisance. And the Old English Worship does not always mean Worship as GOD but as honor as if it always meant worship as GOD, the human judges who were worshipped are then to be worshipped as GOD which is wrong
In the NWT everywhere the word proskneo is used for Jehovah the English word “worship” is used but when that same word proskyneo is used for Jesus the English word “do obeisance” is used. How does the definition for the same exact word change?
@@TheVelvetteButterfly Because Jesus said that I DO NOT ACCEPT GLORY (Greek word means WORSHIP) from MEN. John :41
@@TheVelvetteButterfly Because Jesus said -I DO NOT ACCEPT GLORY(Greek word also means worship) FROM MEN - John 5:41
Awesome video. I added the verse you gave them to my collection lol.
Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33) 😊
Just after Jesus's resurrection some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was HIM, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).
Whenever you corner them, they run to the Greek translation but when they show scuprtures in their bibles, they don't say the same thing
It’s crazy how ignorant JWs, SDAs, and Muslims are about Jesus’ divinity.
Amazing how ignorant christians are about other religions
Not SDAs the others yeah.
“The greatest commandment is ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God the Lord is ONE!” ~ Mark 12:29
“Why do you call ME good? No one is good except GOD alone!” ~ Mark 10:18
“Father, I praise you, LORD of heaven and earth!” ~ Matthew 11:25
“But of that day and hour NO ONE knows, not even the angels in Heaven or the son, but the Father ONLY!” ~ Mark 13:32
“The Father is GREATER than I!” ~ John 14:28
“I of my own self can do NOTHING - I judge as I hear and my judgement is just, for I seek NOT my own will but the will of the One who SENT me.” ~ John 5:30
“Now THIS is Eternal Life: that they know You, the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus the Messiah whom YOU have sent!” ~ John 17:3
“I am going back to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD and YOUR GOD!” ~ John 20:17
And the list goes on. We’re not ignorant. You are. And Jesus will no doubt stand as a witness to testify against you on the Day of Resurrection, that he never told you to worship him, but to serve God alone-his Lord and your Lord.
I hope you repent before it’s too late. And know that God is One - and there is no other besides Him.
Peace,
Your Muslim neighbor
@@celestialknight2339Hi, my Muslim neighbor. Did Jesus Christ die on the cross so our sins could be forgiven?
You are ignorant, JW's have the truth, Jesus NEVER claimed to be anything but subject to Jehovah and unable to do anything without his approval. Your beliefs are wrong but most people will perish due to their refusal to learn the truth.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD! Manifest in the flesh
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Where does it say that?
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr read the Bible, start with the name "Emmanuel" and go from there.
@@JosephSmith-ph4xr
John 10:30
“I and my Father are one.”
King James Version (KJV)
@@jimmyfranklin4781 : You claimed that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh. However, John 10: 30 does not say that. Jesus simply claims that he is one with the Father. But in what sense ? In his prayer in John 17, Jesus requests that his disciples also be one just as he and the Father are. (John 17 :11). The disciples are not one being , but one in purpose, unity. Again in verse 21, Jesus prays that they all may be one and in us . Clearly, this is being one in unity and purpose, not ontological.
This is like arguing over Harry Potter
Facts
to those that like the Harry Potter books because of what it brings to their life, then I don't see why that matters much to you? People argue over politics and the shape of the earth also.
You will meet God one day. Repent and believe or spend eternity away from Him. The arrogance of man. Good is so merciful but His mercy will end and He is coming back…
Masterful, man. I just discovered your channel through this video and am impressed. Glory to God.
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1..
2 Cor. 5:19 - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
John 1:10 "He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. "
How can this get any clearer to these people?
Brilliant point.
John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time.
How can THIS be any clearer.
@@djparsons7363 "No man", key part there. You must remember that, while on earth, Jesus was both man and God. He was never "man" before he was born. Therefore, the man Jesus never did see God (the full trinity, God in his fullness). The God Jesus, did/has. I hope this clears this up for you.
@@jeremywj : The 'no man' is talking about humans and not Jesus. Jesus has seen God and knows who God is.
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him.
Jesus knows who God is. He was in the best position to explain who God is TO HUMANS.
@@jimjuri6490 I understand that. The guy I was replying to was making it sound like since "no man" has seen God, and Jesus was a man (partially true), then Jesus was not God. My argument is the "man Jesus" did, in fact, not see God. The "God Jesus", of course, did/has/does.
JWs never go to their archives especially to their KIT
Give me an example.
@@NickHawaii
What do you want to start with?
1. False prophecies
2. The distorted NWT
3. The blood issue
@@davidbermudez7704 Well number 1 and 3 has nothing to do with the KIT. So let’s start with 2. You go first.
@@davidbermudez7704 Let’s see the distortion in the NWT. I’m ready. One at a time please.
@@NickHawaii
NWT
John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was A GOD.”
Go into your KIT now!
We need to pray just as hard for JW, because they are deceived by a lying spirit. God open their eyes so they may see the plain evidence in Scripture and see the lies that the Watchtower have been propagating.
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace....,,,..
@@markuse3472 May God open your eyes. In all of your arguing you are missing the main point! If Jesus isn't God in the flesh, then you are still in your sins, and you have no hope for eternal redemption and rescue from them. Only a sacrifice from deity would be sufficient to remit, forgive, send away sins. A sacrifice of a human merits nothing. You are still in your sins. Please consider this and ask for God to open your understanding and see the Holy One of Israel as He truly is.
Their kingdom interlinear version 1969 changed "they worshiped" to giving "Obescience/ respect" to him because they knew this was a contradiction to their doctrine.
Does this somehow cast a bad light on this Bible translation? The translators decided to use a word that better described to the reader the meaning of the Greek word “proskuneo,” since many have a very “western,” view or understanding of “worship.” Nothing misleading or underhanded was done. In fact, it was not brought out that in the New World Translation reference Bible in the footnote clearly informs the reader, “or let worship.”
Great patience and self control here. I hope I can development that same amount
Their translation committee doesn’t even know Greek or Hebrew and Johannes greber is a spirit medium who they credited for their John 1:1 translation ; would you trust a spirit medium translation of that text ? Or people that don’t know the language to translate?; it’s obviously a bias translation cause if they use any other bible they can’t get around the fact that Jesus is to be worshipped like the Father and I don’t know how they can’t see that we are supposed to partake of the communion emblems Jesus said if you don’t partake than you have no life in you and that life being him who is the way the truth and the life and no one goes to the father except through him our loving saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth; I believe in you Lord and humble myself before you and openly publicly acknowledge you thank you for saving me let your Holy Spirit guide me and teach me; let me not be deceived by any false teachings let your Spirit of truth envelope and train my mine to be set on you in spirit and in truth ❤✝️🙏🏻
This is wrong in all respect, translating the Word was God is a polytheistic rendering of the text.
1808: “and the Word was a god” - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and a god was the Word.”-The Emphatic Diaglott (interlinear reading), By Benjamin Wilson
@@Dee_Dan_ Mate you need to learn what the Witnesses are, They're Henotheists which is a branch of Polytheism.
Christians are Monotheists.
When you use "a god" for John 1:1 that is polytheism
You quote Thomas Belsham,
1)what are his credentials in translating Greek and specifically Koine Greek
2) you might find this is a Paraphrase Bible (hopefully you know what that word means)
3) If this guy is a Greek Scholar ( HE'S NOT BY THE WAY) Belsham was an assistant teacher or Teachers Aid in Greek. So please show me his peer reviewed papers re Koine Greek and ANY qualifications SPECIFICALLY IN KOINE GREEK, not just Greek. This is a completely different language.
4) Hundreds and Hundreds of Greek Scholars render it "the Word was God", you have only quoted 1 non peer reviewed translation who's author was not a Greek Scholar with peer reviews.
5) This "translation" was completed in 1808, this is the horse and buggy era, this is over 200 years ago. If you understood ANYTHING about Koine Greek, literally thousands of new discoveries in translating Greek have been discovered since then.
6)Please advise who are the translators of the NWT and their full qualifications to translate into Hebrew and Greek.
7)Britannica says :Henotheism (from the Greek heis theos, “one god”)-the worship of one god, though the existence of other gods is granted-also called kathenotheism
8)Britannica says: Polytheism, the belief in many gods. Polytheism characterizes VIRTUALLY ALL RELIGIONS OTHER THAN JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY, AND ISLAM, WHICH SHARE A COMMON TRADITION OF MONOTHEISM, THE BELIEF IN ONE GOD.
Finally, you had better brush up on your terminology. Christians are Monotheists "Word was God"
Jehovah's Witnesses are Henotheist/ Polytheists. Word was A god"
Checkmate Mr Jehovah Witness.
G'day Jordan, have a look at the response I sent Dee Dan, he is completely ignorant of all the things he has quoted.
BTW there is another Spirit Medium whom the WT quoted in support of John 1:1, his name was John S Thompson and he is in WT material. If you need the source material, I can get it for you.
Also the WT endorsed Johannes Greber for over 35 years. I have that source material also.
“Very plainly the spirits in which ex-priest Greber believes helped him in his translation.”
WT 2/15/1956, pp. 110-11
Johannes Greber cited for support.WORD, p. 5
Johannes Greber cited for support.MAKE SURE ’65, p. 489”
“Johannes Greber cited for support for Matthew 27:52-53.AID, p. 1134
Johannes Greber cited for support for John 1:1.AID, p. 1669
Johannes Greber cited for support.WT 9/15/1962, p. 554
Johannes Greber quoted about Matthew 27:52-53WT 10/15/1975, p. 640
Johannes Greber cited for support.WT 4/15/1976, p. 231
“Why, in recent years, has The Watchtower
not made use of the translation by the former Catholic priest, Johannes Greber? . . . The Watchtower
has deemed it improper to make use of a translation that has such a close rapport with spiritism.”
WT 4/1/1983, p. 31”
So the WT knew he was a Spirit Medium in 1956 and continued for 35 years quoting him.
The Spanish edition of the WT used Johannes Greber until 1989 even though the English stopped using his quotes in 1983.
@@RowanTasmanian so you trust the watchtower after everything you just sited ?
@@Dee_Dan_ do you not see how that text translation is antichrist? Trying to obscure the deity of Christ if you believe that Jesus is a creature rather than creator you are gravely mislead and the only way you can get the truth is by Holy Spirit guidance that you clearly don’t have if you’re going off what men say.
psalm 118:8-9 🙏🏻❤️✝️
Keep Exposing Watchtower LIES
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
JW's need Jesus? 1. Jesus instructed his True followers to pray: "OUR Father in the heavens let YOUR NAME be sanctified..." Jesus also stated: "My food is to do the will of him who sent me..." (John 4:32, 34). There are TOO many, too many Scriptures identifying it is God, Jehovah (that enunciation has been made clear more recently as accurate, not Yahweh). Gods name appears close to seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures, all in praiseworthy ways. God is first. Jesus is second, as he is Gods only begotten son. Jesus put God first, so did his followers (1 Cor 11:3). But the first Christians' job was to make the ransom believable and so Jesus was mentioned many times, but they never ignored that God was the reason for life. JW's acknowledge Jesus' Memorial is the most important gathering day of the year, and every prayer is in Jesus' name. 2. "own material." First century Christians, the first Christians, didn't only quote Jesus nor the Hebrew Scriptures, but they use illustrations, parables, examples, the power of reason, to reach and find those with the right heart condition (Phi 4:5; Titus 3:2; Jam 3:17; Acts 17:2 and many more). Since today's Christians can't add more books to the Bible, REASON says to follow the path of Jesus's disciples and Reason with everyone, and with themselves, "from the Scripture," as they did from Jesus and the Hebrew Scriptures. JW's use their publications as sources to reason with others, as today's world has many, many differences and problems than the times of Jesus and the ancient Hebrews. "Their" Bible is simply another translation and transliteration, the ONLY way to see who has the correct version is up to the honest hearted humble individuals to examine. Without God, there is no creation, no life, and Gods name was found some seven thousand times in the Hebrew Scriptures. His name was never meant to be removed. 3. I don't mean any offense, I I wont use belittling words, but as you guys went about Rev 21:22-24, where is your power of reason? It is very clear the Lamb and God are two separate beings working together. :22 states God and the Lamb are the temple but it says ALSO the Lamb is (two separate beings), much the same as a CEO and a GM are both the same in goal and purpose but are two different beings. "The glory of God illuminated it..." Is it really not clear to you guys that it is Gods power and glory that has given the Lamb his light, since all authority in all creation (God was not created so he can't be under this authority) was GIVEN to Jesus? The CEO's guidance (or light) comes or shines through the GM, it is that simple and obvious. Jesus is the light, but God is the ultimate source. It is really that simple, and your twisting of Gods word is why so many people turn away from God and even hate God. You confuse the masses. 4. I wont keep watching because in just three (3) minutes I have proven through the power of reason and Scripture your points wrong but I will finish with this. Unity. And again, I mean no offense and will stick with the evidence and reason. You guys don't have a unified body of "ministerial servants," no "overseers," or "elders" or "disciples" world wide, do you? Unless I missed it somehow? Because God has always had a unified "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18), Starting with ancient Israel (even starting with Abraham) all the way to first century (and somewhat into the second) Christians. Unity is a requirement from God, and we READ about it and know of it in Gods written word. Only "in the last days" would true worship of God return (Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 12:7-10; Acts 15:14-18...). First century Christians (as I said above also somewhat into the second) did not posses any idols to assist them in prayer nor for any reason, they prayed Only to God (not to saints or angels) and in Jesus' name, they abstained from blood, they remained neutral politically and never supported war in any way, they did NOT believe Jesus was God (unless you twist Gods word and stick with false traditions) and made it clear (Philippians 2:6; Col 1:5; Heb 1:3; John 1:4 and throughout all the Christian Scriptures), and in in the face of powerful apposition they kept preaching the good news of Gods kingdom. They were hated, persecuted and tortured for their beliefs, for their righteous acts ("faith without works is dead" stated James). They were ALL unified throughout the Roman empire where they had built/made/settled congregations. 5. You see, the evidence of Gods holy spirit is evident in JW's, and it is Not their own doing, it is Gods word that must be fulfilled, it is Gods prophesy that must be fulfilled. You guys spite JW's, but simultaneously are working against God. Jehovah is his name, do some research, and I mean honest research. Humble yourselves. "The Great Tribulation" will soon come, just take a look around the wicked and disastrous world for the evidence. And, "unless those days were cut short, no one would live...but on account of the holy ones" they will be cut short. That means, Gods people must also live through that tribulation. Had I responded to the whole video, I would have written ten times as long a response. Peace..........
Checkmate!!!
Noooooooo. Need to be fair and consistent. Read Gen 23:7 in any Bible then read in Greek Septuagint. This guy is a clown
@@mikedavis2296the old testament???? Let me guess your a cherry picking JW
@@mikedavis2296 You should read that with the tanslate on. It says "prostrate" which means lying stretched out on the ground with one's face downward different from worship.
@@mikedavis2296 my favorite is how JW's will complain about those that "bash" their beliefs or "hate" them or are "vile towards their faith" and then like the hypocrites will do that to others not even aware the hate and anger that is in their heart. Sad!
Was not checkmate at all. Didn’t make one point that couldn’t be overturned by the scriptures.
The biggest problem with understanding who God is when you place a name to YHWH. YHWH represents the Deity of the Old testament period. The new testament tells you who that Deity in the Old Testament....example 1 Corinthians 10:1-4. Or when Jesus said " I come in my Father's name" meaning both have the same name Jesus Christ.
“Two natures…human and divine”
Yep and at Rev 3:12 he was spirit creature resurrected to a exalted position and still said he had a God. “My God”
What’s your point?
RIP 🕊 Raymond Franz please read ***Crisis of Conscience***
Raymond Fraz finding who Jesus is now but it’s to late
You will only get the same type information Judas would say and Satan would endorse.
@@djparsons7363 what are you talking about can you explain?
Genesis 1:1 " in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth ". Yet Jesus created ALL things. So Genesis 1:1 Jesus is God . Jesus divonity is undeniable
Nice and respectful. Respect.
"What about the greek?"
"Greek says worshipped"
"I guess we are going to have to add even more words to the bible"
On the serious side though, the correct response by the JWs should have been ....
"What about the Greek?"
"The Greek says worshipped"
"No the Greek says "proskuneo", which is a very relative term that does not necessarily mean worship.
But also "do obeisance", "bow down", "pay homage,", "give tribute", etc., depending on the context.
@@antonioterrell354That’s correct. To mention only a few, here are some examples of others receiving PROSKUNEO in the Greek Septuagint.
Genesis 33:3: Jacob bowed to his brother Esau
Exodus 18:7: Moses bowed to his father-in-law
Ruth 2:10: Ruth bowed to Boaz
1 Samuel 20:41: David bowed to Jonathan
1 Samuel 24:8: David bowed to King Saul
1 Samuel 25:3: Abigail bowed to David
Daniel 2:46: Nebuchadnezzar bowed to Daniel
All use PROSKUNEO in the Greek LXX.
@@NickHawaii And none of that was worship, they were doing customary obeisance.
Jesus receive homage nothing more
You're right. I'm an ex-JW so I have a lot of experience with this topic, and in every single instance the Greek word "proskuneo" appears in reference to Jesus, the JWs translate it as "do obeisance." The same thing happens in the book of Matthew, specifically when Jesus walks on water and calms the storm, after which the apostles "do obeisance to" Jesus in the boat. This Greek word, "proskuneo," is the same word used in Revelation when John makes to worship the angel, who warns him not to do that because worship belongs to God alone. Both of those instances translated as "worship" are "proskuneo" in the Koine Greek Bible. They have to translate it as "do obeisance" in order to deceive the JWs into believing the Bible doesn't say Jesus is God.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
from nEW TESTament Greek Lexicon - NAS - Proskuneo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 60
to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
The father said to the angels worship him the son cros refers with Luc 4.8
Great conversation! When I was a teen (20th century 😅) some people from the JW organization stopped by my Mom's house. I took the literature they were handing out, and very enthusiastically told them I would look at it. I told them would love to discuss it the next week. We had a date, and I believe a time too. They did not come back!!!! 😭
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Psalm 102 and Hebrews 1 even in their corrupt translation is great to show JWs the identity of Jesus
Ok, but remember, if you go with that interpretation you have to be consistent with it. Otherwise it's really "special pleading."
Now just before Heb. 1:10-12, verses 8, 9 are a direct quotation from Psa. 45:6, 7, referring to a human Israelite King, likely Solomon (same with Heb. 1:5b as a quotation of 2 Sam. 7:14).
So applying the same kind of interpretation Solomon must be actually be Jesus and therefore Solomon is really God too, right?
Hebrews is clearly talking about Jesus and in doing so the author applys the attributes of God Almighty or you can even say if talking to JW "Jahovah" to The Son Jesus. the author of Hebrews is quoting Psalms 102 to prove that. Now, with a lot of prophecy, they do have kind of a dual meaning. By that I mean, there was a immediate fulfillment. Sometimes in the Old Testament, but there's also a bigger fulfillment. Which is Christ and he truly fulfills all those prophecies, so even if the other psalms was referencing, Solomon solomon is not God, so those attributes in verse 10 of Hebrews could only be applied to the god almighty, which are then applied to Jesus, saying that. Jesus is God almighty.
@joshruyle6628 ;
So if Heb. 1:10-12 is actually a greater fulfillment in Christ over the individual referred to at Psa. 102:25-27.
That would mean the Son is actually greater than the Father Jehovah (and the HS as well I assume)!
Not equal to him wouldn't it?
No I don't see how you are getting that from the text.
Are you a Jahovah witness?
@joshruyle6628 ;
No, that's not at all what I'm getting from the text.
But appears to be a consequence of your description of it.
And yes I'm one of JWs ....
.
PRAISE JAH for yet another persecutor of His people!
Hey brother. Ministry student here. Good stuff! Love you bro!
2 John 1:10 KJV
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
The Luke 4 / Luke 24 worship explanation is brilliant!!!!!!!
By the way, Exodus 7:1 does NOT say God will make Moses a god to Pharoah - it says God will make him “like God” to Pharoah.
Not really. In both cases (Luke 4 / Luke 24) there is the Greek word "proskyneo", which is translated as "Worship".
If we translate this word this way, we must be consistent and translate it the same way every time. Let's see what happens.
Matthew 2:2
" and asked, “Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” "
Magi from the east considered the King of Israel to be the God?
Matthew 2:9
"He sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the child. As soon as you find him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship him"
Herod was afraid that God was born, or rather the King of Israel?
Revelation 3:9
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars-I will make them come and fall down(worship you )at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
People from the Satan synagogue are supposed to worship Christians?
By the way, Exodus 4:16 and Exodus 7:1 In the original Hebrew text, there is no word "like" - this is the translator's interpretation
The JWs used to worship Jesus. They then changed their position. They even used to celebrate Christmas, but, again, later changed. This applied to so many of their beliefs.
When God restored His True Worship and began gathering His Witnesses as promised at Micah 4:1-5, those who were being gathered would have traces of what they formerly believed.
That is why a refining takes place gradually.
Malachi 3:3 And he will sit as a refiner and cleanser of silver and will cleanse the sons of Leʹvi; and he will clarify them like gold and like silver, AND THEY WILL CERTAINLY BECOME to Jehovah people presenting a gift offering in righteousness.
Note the process of refinement. Ultimately, JWs will be the only True Worshipers around in these last days. Compare who survives as shown at Revelation 7:9,10,14.
And they shall call him Wonderful Concellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace.-->Jesus. Those who believe are not condemned, but those who don't believe are condemned already.
Jesus was not Almighty God. That’s his God Jehovah. (Exodus 6:3; Psalm 83:18)
The Most High God. Jesus is the Son of the Most High. (Luke 1:32)
A small correction. It is Psalm 89: 27 where God said about David " And I will make him the firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth"
A very respectful discussion. Mr. Ross' has a very careful and patient approach. The testimony of Scripture is clear. The statement concerning Luke 24:52, "And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy..." is only problematic IF its been determined a priori (Lat. 'from what is before') that Jesus is not the Second Person of the Godhead. Even from the opening Hebrew text, considerations within Genesis show more than one person: 1:1 (elohim), 1:2 (ruah elohim), and 3: 8 (Yahweh/Adoni elohim). As Hebrew scholar, Allan Ross, points out (in his Background to the New Testament course--through Beeson Divinity School) that in Rabbinic Judaism, the person of Jesus as a potential candidate to be Israel's Messiah is denied NOT on the basis of a lack of data, but mere blindness. And that leads to the ultimate question of the nature of spiritual realities. Humanity struggles when something does not appear to make sense. That's the way it is. Only prayer and the power of God can open the eyes of the heart to remove the veil of spiritual blindness.
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
Charles Taze Russell and Joseph Rutherford BOTH taught that Jesus was to be worshipped. They even quoted verses in the Bible to support their claim. The same exact verses that JW's use now to say, "that word doesn't mean 'worship'." When I confronted a JW about this one time his argument to me was, "well, what does Russell REALLY mean when he says the word worship?" I was thinking, "Sir, Russell spoke the same English you and I speak today. When he said worship he meant worship like the way we use it. He wasn't speaking Greek or Hebrew where we have to try and figure out the meaning of the word. The word 'worship' in English, spoken by a native English speaker, means 'worship."
Firstborn is referring to his resurrection. He God’s word manifested in flesh declared to be the Son of God by his resurrection.
He is the heir (Firstborn) of all things.
@Rue Ross - Thank You for allowing me to post. Normally, I am only allowed to post once and the owner of the channel will shut me down. I thank You!
Peace!
Thank you for this content.
I would tell them that were not allowed to worship creation, And then I would tell them that every knee in and under heaven will bow to Jesus!!! Now how does that work??
Bowing and worshipping would be two separate things.
People bow before leaders all the time.
See what that scripture says. Why would all creation bow before Jesus?
(Philippians 2:11) and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.
@@jimjuri6490 You bow at the knee to the governing body??? Or would that be to much like worshipping?
@@DustinBaerwolf-kv9jx : I will bow before a King, a Judge, and many others in authority.
That doesn't mean I worship them.
1 Peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king.
Note: Jesus has only ONE BODY of Disciples. They are COMPLETELY UNITED (1 Corinthians 1:10)
@@jimjuri6490 sure you will when GOVERING BODY says it's OK takes the mark
Thanks for this😊
Jesus is working here. May the seed planted take root and be fruitful. Prayers for all of them. Amen.
Dang impressive knowledge of the word. Love seeing this
In 1John 1:5 it says God is Light.
Guess who else says they are Light as well.😊(John chapter 1 says He(Jesus) is Light as well, and that He is coming into the world, so He must have also been Light in Heaven.👍
I love this video: I have a Jehova witness friend anytime we tell her turh about Jesus, she will ends all conversation. I will share this video with her, and pray they repent, thanks 😊. 🇳🇬
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
David is called the firstborn in Psalm 89 my brother. Just posting this just in case anyone wants to look it up.
It is true that David was not the firstborn of his father Jesse, nor was he the first king of Israel. However, the first king of Israel, Saul, was rejected by God and removed from God's throne, no longer God's king. The second king of Israel, David, was the first king to remain faithful until his death and, hence, the "firstborn" of all the faithful kings of Israel who will be resurrected by God. He will be "firstborn" (first in time on Israel's throne) among all those kings who will return. However, he certainly will not be pre-eminent over one of those other kings who is his descendent: Jesus Christ.
We also find that David is the first king whom God made a covenant with for an "everlasting kingdom" - 2 Sam. 7:12-16. [He is also the first of the descendants of Judah who are to rule forever (Saul was descended from Benjamin) - Gen. 49:10] He may be considered "firstborn" in this sense, also.
So we can see that Saul was the first king of Israel, but he didn't remain faithful to God ["call upon me, saying `thou art my Father, my God'"]. The very first king of Israel to remain faithful to God was David. In that sense, then, David became "firstborn" [of all succeeding faithful earthly kings of Israel].
However, the later fulfillment of Ps. 89:27 is in the person of Jesus Christ (who is the firstborn of God in another sense) and not the literal David. We see the Messiah being called, figuratively, "David, my servant" at Ezekiel 34:23, 24 just as he is in this Psalm (89:20). We see the final fulfillment of Ps. 89:26-29 in Jesus Christ (Luke 1:32, 33; Heb. 1:5, 6; Jn 20:17).
I love the end.. "But hey something for you guys to think about, it's been good talking"... They are going to have to have honest conversation with themselves, I hope they do.
in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God... and the word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Isn't there something incorrect with that translation?
I was WITH my Grandpa and I WAS my Grandpa????
'and the Word WAS God' would show that the Word at the beginning WAS God. However, he got demoted and now:
(John 1:34) And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one IS THE SON OF GOD.”
Here is how the proper translations read.
• 1808: "and the Word was a god" - Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
• 1822: "and the Word was a god" - The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
• 1829: "and the Word was a god" - The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
• 1863: "and the Word was a god" - A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
A few among many.
A god means a mighty being. Jesus being an angel would be a mighty being.
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.”
II John 1:7-11
"They are translated from the King James" Ho boy, I couldn't facepalm harder when I heard that. Good job brother.
I dont give out likes very often. Prototokos...
Maranatha my friend.
The Only example that prototokos is used to define it other than what prototokos means is with David’s example.
BUT:
1.Jesus is not david
2. Jesus is supposedly one of the persons of the trinity him being called God to make jesus equal to david in the use of that example is not a legimate application
3. In the grammar when someone is the “firstborn of” they are always members of that which they are firstborn of: Jesus being firstborn of the kings is himself a King. There are NO examples that provides an exception to that rule not one Bible verse. Jesus being the firstborn of all creation would make him: part of creation.
In Luke 4 Jesus does not say that one should worship no other God He said
"'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" (NIV)
"Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." (KJV)
We are told to SERVE God alone'
The Greek word translated as "worship" here means to 'show honour to' as one wokd to anyone of higher station
The disciples did not worship Jesus in a religious way at all. They showed him honour as a person of higher station.
YEOOOOO Very sound doctrine and wisdom brother that was great to watch. You for sure earned another subscriber!
Speaking as an Ex JW after 50+ years of being in this cult, I can tell you for a fact that very few of the members really know the Bible or have ever read it. I woke up and discovered that I wasted the best part of my life on a man made cult!
Wow 50 years you were there and left knowing as much as you went in with. Your comment sounds like you’re projecting
@@jahtruthdefender
Really??? I can provide you with facts!
@@SuperDave-vj9en Okay just give your best one about the Bible will do
@@SuperDave-vj9en Hi Super D... How much longer do you need to provide me with facts about your best one regarding the Bible?
@@jahtruthdefender
Later today if you don’t mind.
You did a good job brother
NEVER TRUST anyone who seeks out others,
In the name of "religion"
"For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness.
Their end will be what their actions deserve."
Alternative take: they can’t get too far off their own script, just like any believer. Refuse to go along with their narrative and they fold. I’ve done this to many Christians as an atheist. Did I beat Christ with the power of Satan? No, because neither exist. Mystery solved; have a scooby snack.
Worshiped: Luke 24:52 Strongs Concordance. To kiss, like a dog licking his masters hand; to fawn or crouch; prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore); worship. Sounds pretty much like worship is the word in Greek.
These Jehovahs Witnesses ARE RIGHT!
A thousand Amens!
Great job!
Wish you'd then immediately taken them to the greek for Luke 4:8.
Clearly talking about Jehovah, and clearly "worship" (in their own NWT translation). Same greek root word: Proskyneseis.
from New Testament Greek Lexicon - Proskuneo Definition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 60
to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
Exactly. Are we supposed to do that to anyone but God? No…regardless of what the Catholics do of course lol.
John 14:13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Brilliant use of Greek and translations.
Revised Standard Version Luke 24:50-52
50. Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them.
51. While he blessed them, he parted from them, was carried up into heaven.
52. And they returned to Jerusalem with great joy,
53. and were continually in the temple blessing God.
There is no mention of worshiping Jesus here.
If you can get your hands on the 1984 ed. Of the NWT turn to page 1547 and at the bottom of the page it says that:
[ ] Brackets enclosed words INSERTED to complete the English text.
Then turn to Col. 1:15-17 , there you'll see that the word OTHER is in brackets 4 times. If you read it without the word OTHER it clearly shows that Jesus is the Creator.
If you read the same scripture in their 2013 ed. They kept the word OTHER and remove the brackets after ADMITTING they INSERTED it in their 1984 ed.
That my friend is changing God's word.
To drive to point home, always compare scripture to scripture there will be no contradictions UNLESS you add or take it out of context.
Get them to read Gen. 2:1,2 where it says that Jehovah created EVERYTHING by HIMSELF and brought creation to it's COMPLETION.
Also Isaiah 44:24 where Jehovah said He created EVERYTHING by HIMSELF and even asked the question who was with me?
While you're here also read Isaiah 45:12 Where it says that Jehovah created EVERYTHING HIMSELF by His own hands .
Now ask the JW'S since Jehovah said He brought creation to it's COMPLETION Himself in GENESIS, Just what was the OTHER THINGS that Jesus created and when?
If the whole of the Bible points to certain a conclusion then anything from first glance supports some other reasoning then we have to allow God to show us how this seemingly contradictory verse to marry up with the rest
I'm watching this again and taking notes.
Even Tertullian your father of Trinity mentioned that the Father is OLDER AND MORE POWERFUL than the SON and at one point the SON WAS CREATED and DID NOT EXIST
Where does it say that there’s a spirit God and fleshly part that came to earth? How would a half God half and half human balance the scale of justice regarding the ransom setting a free from sin?