I Investigated the Z6III Flickering Shadows Myself...Unusable?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ต.ค. 2024
- I've seen some very controversial opinions on the Nikon Z6iii, especially when it comes to flickering shadows. I knew it was time for me to sleuth around to see how bad the issue actually was, so I investigated the flickering shadows on the Nikon Z6iii myself. Shot in N-Raw 12 bit.
Excellent intro, beautifully filmed and great storytelling. I had to watch it a second time on my TV to fully enjoying the experience. A small masterpiece. I will definitely watch that part of the video again at a later point in time. And the rest of the video was interesting as well. Thanks for sharing your insights.
People act like this is camera breaking. News flash... It's not. The D600 shutter spot issue was 😊 i know cause i have one. Great cinematic intro, i didn't see any flickering at all. Furthermore, I'm still waiting for a competent video like that to show the flickering. Something thats never going to happen with someone who knows what they are doing. If someone manages to constantly get flickering with this camera in their videos, #1, I'll never hire them for any video work ever so that says it all right there. Im waiting for someone to return their Z6iii because of this so i can score a good deal on gently used one to compliment my Z8 🫡
Brilliant! Thank you for showing real a world scenario.
Finally, a sensible voice.
Love the subtle horizontal gleam coming from the light at 0:48! Great intro!
Really appreciated this video. I bought the Z6 iii before flicker-gate lol. I've been shooting in NRAW and haven't noticed it, either. Though, I never shoot in stupidly low light situations.
We've been waiting for this! Thanks, nice short cinematic clip.
The intro was amazing. Really cinematic.
This reminds me of the "banding issue" with the Z6 back in 2018. If you underexposed by five full stops and then pulled up the shadows, you could see banding. Only popped up during camera testing because in practicality, nobody is so incompetent that they're shooting 5 stops underexposed and trying to rescue shadow data in post.
I don't think the Z6iii issue is quite on par with that bit of ridiculousness, because people will be using it for low light video shots, but it is something Nikon should have addressed before shipping. Of course Nikon has been REALLY good about firmware updates with most of their cameras. The Z9 is on v. 5.0 and is a completely different camera than what was originally released.
Thanks for the comment! My fingers are crossed, but I'm happy with the camera even if it never gets fixed honestly.
I brought up the same point in Tony's dynamic range video. I can't remember the YT channel. Looks 32 with grey hair? The dude was bringing back like 6 stops of exposure and then complaining that it looked bad, lol. Who shoots like that?
There are situations where the subject is adequately lit and the background is 6+ stops darker. In these cases, when I try to recover details in the dark background with my Z6, the banding is clearly visible. The expertise of the photographer has no bearing. It's a sensor problem, a problem solved when the D780 was introduced in 2020!
Awesome video! I think it boils down to knowing how to use this camera. I shoot stills and I’ve been very happy with low light shots. Looking to get into video more and I’m confident in this camera right now and also confident Nikon will update it to resolve whatever they can.
Ney nice intro! Glad to see you tested at 2nd native ISO and got clean results. I'm mostly wanting to shoot N-RAW to benefit from better NLE performance and also the flexibility in edit. Still, good reminder to stick to REC709 when the conditions are absolutely horrible.
Hey, thanks man! Definitely is noisier at second native ISO, but if you overexpose a touch and bring it down it post it's still really clean!
Thanks for these videos, Nikon is doing great things.
I don't have the Z6III, but I did get the OG one back when it came out. The flickering noise on Z6III looks very similar to that when using an external recorder on the first Z6, which they did fix with the 3.40, so I'm hoping they have a fix for this as well.
I didn't know that, thanks! That actually gives me a lot of hope!
It's a non issue. Nikon is doing great, for the price you pay you get a lot more than other brands. And there are some third party prime lenses that are cheap and excellent quality. So you can build a system for less money than Sony or Canon with similar capabilities.
Great film and review of this in a real world situation!
Enjoyed the intro, thanks!
Isn't it the opposite of the "flicker issue" though? Presumably for the intro you have exposed properly and then darkened the shadows, whereas the flickering happens when trying to pull shadow brightness up.
100%. I think that was kinda the point I was trying to make. If you shoot in log and get the exposure even remotely close, the flicker shouldn't be a problem.
Wow only 149 Subscribers?! Amazing video, I just subscribed! This channel will grow quick, Im sure of it!
Thanks a bunch, man! I appreciate that!
Just realised I watched both of your last 2 videos on the Z6III too. Wow looks like TH-cam is doing a good job at pushing your videos, keep up the good work!
The video i really needed ❤
If you can't manipulate the RAW and LOG image, why shoot RAW / Log at all? If I have to expose it perfectly to get a good image why bother? The highlights clip early, and the shadows cannot be brought up.
Perhaps the easy solution is to get past the fixation with super-dark video? It is tiresome in recent movies.
Is the flickering happen only in N-Raw or also in N-Log?
It's there in H.265 N-Log when the shadows are cranked like crazy. If you expose even a little bit correctly, and use native ISOs, you won't see it. Rumor has it Nikon is working on a fix as well.
great intro!! the biggest issue is not recording to two card slots.
Amazing work bro💥💥💥
Yep.
The intro is just fantastic :) rest of the video to..
Anyone else misread that thumbnail? 😆
Thanks for this vid 👏🏻
Oh boy, I'm gonna have to swap that out 🤣
@@TannerSimpsonMedia 😂
Awesome intro 👏
Thanx for this video ! Definitely i will go and grab Nikon as soon as i have money on it :))
You'll love it!
Someone’s been watching Ermia ;)
I want him to make a Z6III video so bad 😭
Amazing how if you know how to properly expose and use this camera, you can get these beautiful images. It's almost like the camera has best practices or something. 🙃
SigmaFP had the same issue.
do you know if it got fixed?
If you need to shoot at that high iso level, well, get a light…
You're a long way from Rohan brother.
At dawn, look to the East!
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This is really well done. I am on the fence about the Sony A7C II and the Nikon Z6 III mostly to shoot video for my sons hockey team. This is pushing me toward the Nikon.
The A7Cii is a really good camera too, and from what I understand the autofocus is better. BUT. The rolling shutter is pretty bad on it. Rolling shutter on the Z6iii is really well controlled.
@@TannerSimpsonMedia Thanks! I was leaning toward the A7C II because it seems like it would be easier to manage holding and recording than a more robust camera. But the footage you've capture is absolutely stunning.
We just had the A7Cii and the Z6iii for a week. Nikon outshined in almost every way. Colors, sharpness, ease of use, comfort/ergonomics… within 1 hour it was clear that we were going to keep the Nikon. This was focused on photography. The case just gets much stronger with video. (This is an unprofessional hobbyist’s opinion). Keep in mind, lens availability and options is best on Sony, but Nikon’s S lenses are incredible.
Just my 2 cents.
@@spencersare8104 Thanks for this feedback. Im 99% sure the Z6III with the 24-120F4 is going to be my kit to start with. Need a versatile lense for recording my sons games.
@@StevenBozthe 24-120 is amazing
There are no flickering shadows. There are also no zebras.... oh, video, nevermind them, I never use that.
The main reason to use raw in the first place is the flexibility in post. Pushing shadows is a big part of that flexibility. And yes, raw is something people will use even casually without setting up lights. "Just don't do that" is not much different from telling a hobby photographer to just shoot jpeg.
Can you live with it? Yes, obviously. It's just another thing to work around. Would I recommend anyone to buy the Z6III before a fix is released? No. Especially not in places in the world where you can get a Z8 for 30% more. Personally if I had bought a Z6III and then heard about the flickering, I would have sent it back. It is a fault and it will lower the value of the camera if you want to sell it later on.
It was bad enough that dozens of people on our forum have returned their Z6 III cameras, me included. NRAW + NLOG at ISO 5000 is the worst performer, but visible 1600-5000. It's not as visible shooting SDR, but when using NLOG, it's there. It's upsetting because on paper, it's the best camera for the price. It's THE camera I was waiting for.
Visible, definitely. Camera definitely wasn't made to shoot at 5000ISO in NLOG. Most video shooters stick to base ISOs (800 and 6400) and then ND as needed. Video isn't supposed to be viewed in NLog either, it needs a color space conversion.
trying to shoot at the tail end or even middle of a gain circuit on a dual iso sensor is going to present similar problems on almost all cameras...I had a Canon R3 that was triple gain ISO, and it had all sorts of issues if you tried to shoot at the end of the first base and was really noisy in general if you tried to push the first circuit hard. These cameras are designed to shoot at base iso's and expose as bright as possible without clipping. When you shoot this way, the "issues" really dont present at all.
I shoot mostly at iso 6400 Nraw, and I can't seem to see the flickering. I have bad eyes. I'm sure it is present but it hasn't caused any issues for me to want to return the camera.
How much Nikon paid you for this propoganda video,I mean just look this video,noisy footage is clearly showing,3:47 under tha flag behind you the noise is clearly visible
Great video! I think what people failed to realize, is that the Nikon Z63 is like a high-end cinema camera. It delivers an image that is very high-end. If you shoot with an Arri Alexa, mini LF, it is very noisy above 1600 ASA. In fact it’s not used above that because it’s super noisy. So there is drawbacks and constraints to high and cinema cameras. I feel like the image is so amazing out of this Nikon that it’s worth it.
As long as one of the native ISO is used, there's really no issue with the camera. I'm super pleased with the image. It's incredible.