I’ve said this before. But, again, you have the absolute best reviews on shoes bar none . I love when you tell if a shoes is correct for , high arches, low etc, etc, etc. no one else does all of that ,and talks about the shoe too. Excellent videos !
I would disagree pretty strongly with his explanation with arches. He specifically said "neutral cadence runner". He may have meant "neutral gait" because neutral cadence is not a thing. It's all about mechanics. There are plenty of folks who are neutral with low arches and high arches who overpronate. I get he may be trying to simplify the concept with the messaging but it's incorrect. I have a medical background, ran for school/personally all my life, and have 10+ years of specialty running experience.
Went to a local Utah show store, tried these on and liked them. They didn't have the color I wanted and ordering through them online didn't help their local business. Saw your review, short, sweet and knowledgeable. You earned my business. I ordered the shoes, they came with a discount, free shipping and no taxes (just kidding, pretend I didn't say that)! Thanks!
Thank you Steve! Another great review and off the back of this one I visited our local running store and purchased a pair. OH MY!! Took them out for 10 miles this morning and utterly love them ❤ I’ve had Escalates for years and these will now be my go to shoe for easier, longer runs.
I have this shoe done about 85 km in this shoe. Good all round shoe . Speed tempo long runs speed work. It is first Altra shoe I have had. I like it very much. Very comfortable stable. Nice wide toe box. Great reviews Steve. 👍✅😀😀
I'm glad they're making a wide version as well. The standard is too narrow for me. I need that pinky toe to be able to stretch out! WIDE PINKY TOE PLEASE!! Looking forward to the wide release at Runmoore!! Thanks
yes. they make next to no shoes that care for the pinky and too much if not all shoes that assume that all altra fans never kicked a football in their life(esp early lives) that irreversibly deformed their thumb inward....my thumb is almost literally in the middle of the minimalist front mesh of vt.
Thanks for another great review! Something that wasn't addressed was the lateral outsole of the Torin 5 that peels off at low mileage. I've heard this complaint from many folks and it happened to me at 130 miles and at 12 miles. I was holding off on getting another pair of 5's, hoping that that wasn't the case for the 6. I love the feel of the shoe but at $150-$160, I shouldn't also need to buy Shoe goo!
Dude! Same here! I had a pair of the Torin 5's and after 2 weeks and maybe 12 miles, the sole started pealing. returned for a new pair and same thing, but not nearly as bad. I also have a pair of the black leather ones and same thing but just a little bit. still my most comfortable and go to shoes.
I’m replying 2 years later having just bought the Torin 6 and man do they run small!! I’m between EU size 36 & 37 but bought an EU 38! But genuinely, best running shoes I’ve ever owned ❤️ And to think I bought them on a whim during a wicked sale at my local sports shop! 😂
Wonderfully detailed review with tons of extra to leave us with perspective on this shoe versus others in the Altra lineup! Much appreciated! Keep pushing!
Hello, thanks for the review. Would you say that the standard Torin 6 is exactly the same fit (mid foot, toe box and overall volume) as the Torin 5? Thanks again.
I've got about 310 miles in my Torin 5's. Never had an issue with the tongue thankfully. Midsole still seems to have some good life so that's a great sign! I like the heel update for the lock down in the 6 but hate that they got rid of that top eyelet chain. Seems like an overall great update to the 5!
I'm looking forward to try Altra's when you said all Altra shoes are zero drop that's apply to every model in their line up or the majority, thanks you for any comments. I'm just curious
According to the Altra website, the Escalante 3 is on their Standard fit last, not the (wider) Original fit. Did you misspeak? Also, do you know which is wider: the Stardard fit in a wide or the Original fit?
So, Altra actually sent out all of their literature on the Escalante listing it as the original fit, which is wider than the standard fit. I am unsure why they changed it online to standard. In speaking with representatives from Altra, they are now saying the Escalante is between a standard and original. This Torin is definitely standard so the Escalante is wider than this model. I wish they were a little more clear on their widths sometimes.
I’ve loved my Torin 4s. I’ve recently had to start running in a pair of Mizunos because after taking a couple years off of actual running my calves can’t handle the zero drop. (Unfortunately I can’t slowly build back up to it) I wish Altra would make one or two models with a raised heal. I love the way their toe box fits and the Torin 4 is probably the best fitting shoe Ive owned. They are still my go to for walking and hiking.
Hey! So in South Africa, we can’t get Topos. However, adding a heel lift in the Altra shoe does give it a bit of a drop that will help. I use it in my Lone peaks (they’re old, so I just use them for trail hill repeats) but no need in my Olympus 4s as they feel very different. I still have a pair of Altra Torin 4 with not many kms on. So going to try the heel lift in them as well.
@@lyrilljackson I mean the padding that goes halfway to give you a little lift so that you can transition back to zero drop. Some people can’t just go zero. Sometimes, a little help goes a long way. That way people can continue to experience, enjoy and love everything about Altras. And, for those not fortunate enough to live in a country that sells Topo, that gives an alternative. L O L
@@cherine777 yeah that's pretty much what I meant. I don't know about transitioning. the only problem more seasoned altra users have is transitioning to none altra shoes I feel. But i've been getting better at that actually. clocking in the 8th year here. I know this might be more of an issue if the altra user is less experienced or has never biked/climbed/etc much (which basically force mid to front foot contact). I've also been getting better at not stressing the mid-front section as much, even though I'll likely never be switching off maining altras any time soon aka I do want that ample front cushion without the marshmellow style of hoka (even though hoka has/would have a definitively better ankle support --if it were zero drop, + hugs my deformed thumbtoe better.)
Great video, question about sizing. I have been wearing the Toring since version 2 and sizing was always spot on. Version 5 ran short for me and I had to go up a full size. Just wondering if version 6 fixed this or do you see it still running short. Thanks for your insight and opinion.
Hi thanks for the review. I own the altra lone peak 6. The Size EU42.5 fits perfectly. For the Torin 6 should I purchase the EU43 (I have wider feet) Thanks
Looking forward to this one. The Torin is my go to recovery and long run shoe. I like the Rivera, similar cushion, if slightly different rides, IMO for anything under 90 minutes, but when going over 90 minutes the extra stack of the Torin sure is felt and appreciated! I never really had tongue problems so long as I laced the shoe all the way up.
@@RunMoore no idea why people consider torin high cushion lol. my whole family bought the torin 1.5 ish or whatever gen it was. feels just like the average tennis/ping pong shoe cushion, if not slightly more esp on the front and obviously softer, but def very narrow on the back by comparison too so they don't wear it as much sadly cus they are not altra diehards like i am. as for high arc, i'm not really high arc but i've never feared twisting inward the bottom of my flaps. but I find the p1 just alright. def nowhere as stable as torin just out of basic geometry of being more lower to the ground (torin) while of the more or less same length and width (slightly wider also cus i bought 44.5 vs 44). def wear it more in winter with all the chunky clothing weighing me up. But I do think natural riding stance and balanced cushioning and zero drop should apply on both X and Y axis, as a principle.
They need to revisit the Torin 4. It was durable, cushioned, ventilated, and very comfortable. I do run in the Torin 5s and tolerate them. The toebox mesh ripped on both sides, but still runnable and the tongue (like you said) is a bad, uncomfortable design. Hopefully the 6 will be better. I do love altra torin shoes, I just hope future uppers will be more padded and durable 🤞
@@RunMoore If you like Torin 4 or Torin 4 Plush with another midsole. The Torin 6 wide is awesome! Had 5 torin 3.5 Knit and 3 pair of Torin 4. Yes Torin 4 is durable and awesome in general. I now use Torin 4 together with two pairs of Torin 6 Wide, nice shoe. Very happy that they made this option. It feels like a original Altra
Great review thx. Just placed the preorder via your website. Looking forward to try the shoes when they release it especially most changes look good. Hopefully, the one less lockdown eyelet won’t bother me too much. I wonder what they ‘gain’ by removing it?
Since it has not been officially released yet, we have only tried demo versions of the shoe, which may fit differently than the final product. We can give a more accurate answer once the shoe is officially out, but it will likely fit the same as the 5
@@RunMoore Hi, I draw my foot on the paper, measure the length, & it's 27cm long. I got the Vanish Tempo size 11, & its length fits me perfectly. The Vanish Tempo's insole is 29cm long. What size of the Torin 6 would give me the length like that of the Vanish Tempo size 11 please? I'm sorry to put you through this, because once I buy your shoe & import them into my country, I can't exchange it. So I have only 1 chance to get the size right. Thank you.
Hmm. I had 2 generations backs and it was "ok". I do like my Escalantes. I think this time instead of going Torin, I am going to hold out for the Outroad for a little more versatility.
I have the Torin 5 and found two faults: the tread seemed to wear down much faster and outside started to peel off on both right and left foot. Additionally, the tongue was such a 'hard' material at the end that it dug into my ankle and caused discomfort. Do you know if these two components are different on the 6 compared to the 5?
i dont like esc series because it's obviously more form vs function toned. 3 seems streamlined into the torin design but unlike paradigm it don't even have the bionic pattern, nor ego max. which makse it even that more obvious of a downgrade/budget package vs just a conscious "minimal" preference choice..also they aren't making men's special colors for the 3...yet? For that tier of padding I was hoping they would have brought back the instinct/intuition by now......my favorite altra by far.
Great overview as usual! I had no issues with the top of the tongue but that convoluted lacing system is a nightmare. Glad to see they changed that. The new heelcup looks great too. I'd also like to have a little more bounce in the midsole. I'm 190 so that may contribute to the lack of bounce but my Escalantes feel bouncier with less stack.
Great video nice store wish I was in your area that come in and see you I live in Greece starting to walk again after many years of stopping exercise I'm overweight I have flat feet I underpronate I have issues with knees back and foot pain achiles have flat feet wide feet and generally obese so what I've been doing for the last 2 months is walking 5K a day at a pretty fast pace everyday so this is the shoe that I came up with and I needed your advice the altra torino 5. Do you have something else to suggest in and around the same price point
I liked the Torin 4. I have wide and high and thick feet. Basically, I have bricks for feet. I need a 9 EEEE and no one really makes that anymore (the old New Balance 878 was good, but now they've changed the last). The Torin seems to have gotten smaller toe box (and never had a truly wide shoe to begin with, so there I had to get a 9.5 W to work). I wear orthotics so pronation generally covered there. What shoes should I even try at this point? Thanks
Unfortunately, they didn't really change too much from the Torin 5 to the 6. They added a small amount of padding to the tongue, but it is still very thin. However, they are making major changes to the Torin with the new Torin 7. It is planned on being released early Summer of 2023. You should definitely look forward to the Torin 7. It is one of the shoes we are looking forward to the most!
I love the Torin 5. I just wear socks that aren't zero show and the tongue isn't an issue for me, but I definitely understand why people dislike it. I'll be curious to see how the heel change affects the fit for me. I have a fairly significant bone spur on my right heel that might make that an issue.
zero show if not tight= rubbing against the shoe which even if soft = more cleaning the shoe= more painful than just washing the sock, like why would anyone not a racer/instagram shitposter do that..
Been running in the T6 since July, tongue is MUCH improved, but has a tendency to fold up a bit when putting it on. It stays in place for me when running, though. I did like the heel cup improvement. About 70 miles in and it is wearing very well for me.
Tried this shoe on locally last week and despite going with the Lone Peak because I wanted better traction in the coming winter months(as an everyday shoe), this Torin is still on my mind. I’m flat footed but seem to wear out my Timp 2’s on the outside portion of my foot evidencing supination, which surprised me. From your review it seems this shoe might be a good alternative. I don’t like a lot of arch support/ lockdown as it causes me more foot strain, it didn’t seem like the Torin 6 had a lot of arch support or maybe the support it has is exactly what I need. The lockdown/support of the Provision line is about as much as I can handle. Just my 2 cents worth…if anyone else has this flat-footed issue. Have to mention tho that I had to go into the wide shoe as the regular width was pinching my pinky toes due to bunion issues. Would like to see a bit of stiffness added to this but I’ll take it anyway!
thank you, i think i may have just found the perfect shoe for a friend of mine who has pretty much the exact same conditions (supinating flat feet with bunions) as you! boring as the wide colourway may be i'm gonna get her to give it a try
Hi Steve, The length of my feet is exactly 29.5cm which is a US size 11.5. When I buy the Escalante 3, do you think I should get a size 11.5, or do you think I should go half a size up and get a US size 12?
Are these shoes good for me if I have knee pain in my left knee, medium arches, and standard width size 9 feet? I'm looking for shoes for long walks and jogging
Usually, people with ankle, knee, or hip pain have instability issues. That means you are over or under-pronating when you walk. We would recommend the Paradigm 6. It is the stable version of the Torin 6. It has the same maximum cushion feel with a hint of added stability.
The changes from the 5 are good news. I never bought the 5 (I’ve gone through a couple pairs of 4’s) because just trying the shoe in the store I knew the tongue would be a problem.
Just to be clear the Torin is a moderate cushioning level model. If you want max cushioning you’d want the Paradigm. Not sure why they choose such a lightweight model as the Escalante to be the option with the widest fit. Makes no sense to me. Why would they pick the widest option fitting upper on the narrowest platform?
The Torin is actually considered Altra's "max cushion neutral shoe". While it doesn't have the same stack height as the Paradigm, it has significantly more cushion than the light and mid cushion neutral models, Escalante and Rivera.
@@RunMoore I hear yah, but doesn’t feel that way for me. I have multiple pairs of each and I always feel more cushion from the Paradigm. But, then again I feel zero cushioning in the Hoka Arahi.
@@PLANETWATERMELON paradigm is def always been the big boss. as per name. also they got rid of the one, and the duo.. would have been more justified to say whatever above the one more than it really is.
@@lyrilljackson Yep, not sure how or why they would get rid of the name of the shoe tat put them on the map. Long live the Instinct!!! Altra actually made a size 7 men’s before they made men’s 7 for me back in the day.
Leave it to Altra to replace one major flaw design with another. Fixed the sharp tongue issue but the Torin 6 will have no heel lock eyelet for runner's loop. A number one problem with the Escalante 2.5 is it had no heel lock eyelet. So they fixed that by adding it in the new Escalante 3. I'm confused. Can somebody please tell me how something as benign as a extra eyelet harms the quality of a shoe. Most running shoes have them. The V-shape heel is not for lockdown. It's to take the strain off the achilles tendon. The shoe designers for Altra need to be drug tested it's that simple.
Wow. $160 and no eyelet for my runners knot? Why, Altra?? They did the same thing with the previous Escalante. So now there are two Altra road shoes I won't use anymore. Unfortunate...
I would look into either the Provision or the Paradigm, as these are both stability models designed for people with flat feet. The main difference between the two is that the Provision is a mid cushion shoe and the Paradigm is a max cushion shoe, so you can choose between them based on your cushion preferences. The Provision also has a slightly wider toebox if that is a concern for you.
Does anyone know if the Altra Escalante 3 and the Torin 6 shoes have enough width and space to comfortably wear toe spacers like the CorrectToes, inside of the shoes?
I love altra, but they make the most bizarre design choices when it comes to tongue and heel. So many models would have benefited from just a contemporary heel design
@@MrBunbut I tried on both versions and I typically prefer a wider toe box…I liked the wide version in this Torin and I have a more narrow heel. So if you like the wider toe box I’d say give the wide a try.
Torin 5 was NOT extremely popular with Torin lifers like me. Tongue was not the deal breaker, the increase in toe box width was though. I tried 5 different pairs. Tried a couple or Rivera's? Not enough cushioning. The 5 was the lowest rated review I've ever seen for Torin. No one liked the bigger toe box flopping around. Hope 6 is back to old design.
The toebox on the Torin 6 is as wide as the 5 but is more shallow and the material is less forgiving, so it has a tighter fit. Despite some complaints, the 5 ended up being their most popular Torin, especially for people who need the extra width.
Don't agree with you about the heel. They added extra puffiness which in my case doesn't really help with heel lock and just feels weird, and adds unnecessary weight. They could've simply stripped it down and just added minimal padding the way Puma does in their racing models, and it would've been a much more secure lockdown. Also the heel has minimal structure so this whole fucking thing will eventually crunch and collapse at the base. Design brainfart from Altra imho.
Why do they get rid of the extra lockdown eyelet. People that do not need it ignore it, people that want it will have problems now. Can't save that much $ by removing an eyelet.
I get confused by it, but yeah i do use it occasionally. more likely if i want secure i'd just go higher ankle shoes, altra's future plan for that kind of release is still murky
@@StraszyFyFy Hey, I don't mean to be rude but are you saying that even the Torin 6 WIDE is less in width than the Escalante 3 ? Have you tried both the shoes? I'm actually planning on buying a road shoe and I just want the widest one especially since there's no road shoe in the Original fit. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
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I’ve said this before. But, again, you have the absolute best reviews on shoes bar none . I love when you tell if a shoes is correct for , high arches, low etc, etc, etc. no one else does all of that ,and talks about the shoe too. Excellent videos !
I appreciate it, thanks for watching!
I would disagree pretty strongly with his explanation with arches. He specifically said "neutral cadence runner". He may have meant "neutral gait" because neutral cadence is not a thing. It's all about mechanics. There are plenty of folks who are neutral with low arches and high arches who overpronate. I get he may be trying to simplify the concept with the messaging but it's incorrect. I have a medical background, ran for school/personally all my life, and have 10+ years of specialty running experience.
Went to a local Utah show store, tried these on and liked them. They didn't have the color I wanted and ordering through them online didn't help their local business. Saw your review, short, sweet and knowledgeable. You earned my business. I ordered the shoes, they came with a discount, free shipping and no taxes (just kidding, pretend I didn't say that)! Thanks!
Thank you Steve! Another great review and off the back of this one I visited our local running store and purchased a pair. OH MY!! Took them out for 10 miles this morning and utterly love them ❤ I’ve had Escalates for years and these will now be my go to shoe for easier, longer runs.
We appreciate the support!
I have this shoe done about 85 km in this shoe.
Good all round shoe .
Speed tempo long runs speed work.
It is first Altra shoe I have had.
I like it very much.
Very comfortable stable.
Nice wide toe box.
Great reviews Steve.
👍✅😀😀
I'm glad they're making a wide version as well. The standard is too narrow for me. I need that pinky toe to be able to stretch out! WIDE PINKY TOE PLEASE!! Looking forward to the wide release at Runmoore!! Thanks
yes. they make next to no shoes that care for the pinky and too much if not all shoes that assume that all altra fans never kicked a football in their life(esp early lives) that irreversibly deformed their thumb inward....my thumb is almost literally in the middle of the minimalist front mesh of vt.
Thanks for another great review! Something that wasn't addressed was the lateral outsole of the Torin 5 that peels off at low mileage. I've heard this complaint from many folks and it happened to me at 130 miles and at 12 miles. I was holding off on getting another pair of 5's, hoping that that wasn't the case for the 6. I love the feel of the shoe but at $150-$160, I shouldn't also need to buy Shoe goo!
No issues with me and the outsole
I’ve probably put maybe 80 miles on my Torin 5’s and they’re super worn out already. I’m really disappointed, I hope the 6s have a beefier outsole
Dude! Same here! I had a pair of the Torin 5's and after 2 weeks and maybe 12 miles, the sole started pealing. returned for a new pair and same thing, but not nearly as bad. I also have a pair of the black leather ones and same thing but just a little bit. still my most comfortable and go to shoes.
Thanks for the review. Did they fix the sizing? The 5 came up really short. I went up a full size.
I’m replying 2 years later having just bought the Torin 6 and man do they run small!! I’m between EU size 36 & 37 but bought an EU 38! But genuinely, best running shoes I’ve ever owned ❤️ And to think I bought them on a whim during a wicked sale at my local sports shop! 😂
Wonderfully detailed review with tons of extra to leave us with perspective on this shoe versus others in the Altra lineup! Much appreciated! Keep pushing!
Thanks for watching!
I found a pair of these at a discount store for $49. I’m an avid walker and so far so good.
Same. Found some at ross tried them on and was really impressed I thought they were brooks at first glance 😂
@@johimarosoriojust bought mines! Didn’t know the brand just wanted some running shoes and now I’m looking up reviews don’t regret it at all!!!
Hello, thanks for the review. Would you say that the standard Torin 6 is exactly the same fit (mid foot, toe box and overall volume) as the Torin 5? Thanks again.
I've got about 310 miles in my Torin 5's. Never had an issue with the tongue thankfully. Midsole still seems to have some good life so that's a great sign! I like the heel update for the lock down in the 6 but hate that they got rid of that top eyelet chain. Seems like an overall great update to the 5!
We are excited for the update, hope you like it!
Always enjoy watching your reviews
Thanks for watching! It's always a blast to make them!
I'm looking forward to try Altra's when you said all Altra shoes are zero drop that's apply to every model in their line up or the majority, thanks you for any comments. I'm just curious
According to the Altra website, the Escalante 3 is on their Standard fit last, not the (wider) Original fit. Did you misspeak? Also, do you know which is wider: the Stardard fit in a wide or the Original fit?
So, Altra actually sent out all of their literature on the Escalante listing it as the original fit, which is wider than the standard fit. I am unsure why they changed it online to standard. In speaking with representatives from Altra, they are now saying the Escalante is between a standard and original. This Torin is definitely standard so the Escalante is wider than this model. I wish they were a little more clear on their widths sometimes.
I’ve loved my Torin 4s. I’ve recently had to start running in a pair of Mizunos because after taking a couple years off of actual running my calves can’t handle the zero drop. (Unfortunately I can’t slowly build back up to it)
I wish Altra would make one or two models with a raised heal. I love the way their toe box fits and the Torin 4 is probably the best fitting shoe Ive owned. They are still my go to for walking and hiking.
Hey there - might want to check out Topo Athletic if you haven’t already. They have a wider toe box and offer shoes with 3mm offsets and more.
Hey! So in South Africa, we can’t get Topos. However, adding a heel lift in the Altra shoe does give it a bit of a drop that will help. I use it in my Lone peaks (they’re old, so I just use them for trail hill repeats) but no need in my Olympus 4s as they feel very different. I still have a pair of Altra Torin 4 with not many kms on. So going to try the heel lift in them as well.
@@cherine777 u mean using generic "padding/comfort/healthy" insoles? lol some of them add like 10mm it's pretty wack (for altra fans)
@@lyrilljackson I mean the padding that goes halfway to give you a little lift so that you can transition back to zero drop. Some people can’t just go zero. Sometimes, a little help goes a long way. That way people can continue to experience, enjoy and love everything about Altras. And, for those not fortunate enough to live in a country that sells Topo, that gives an alternative.
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@@cherine777 yeah that's pretty much what I meant. I don't know about transitioning. the only problem more seasoned altra users have is transitioning to none altra shoes I feel. But i've been getting better at that actually. clocking in the 8th year here. I know this might be more of an issue if the altra user is less experienced or has never biked/climbed/etc much (which basically force mid to front foot contact). I've also been getting better at not stressing the mid-front section as much, even though I'll likely never be switching off maining altras any time soon aka I do want that ample front cushion without the marshmellow style of hoka (even though hoka has/would have a definitively better ankle support --if it were zero drop, + hugs my deformed thumbtoe better.)
Great video, question about sizing. I have been wearing the Toring since version 2 and sizing was always spot on. Version 5 ran short for me and I had to go up a full size. Just wondering if version 6 fixed this or do you see it still running short. Thanks for your insight and opinion.
Bought a pair at Ross today for $30! Looking forward to trying em out!
Hi thanks for the review. I own the altra lone peak 6. The Size EU42.5 fits perfectly. For the Torin 6 should I purchase the EU43 (I have wider feet)
Thanks
The blue and orange color scheme is really nice.
We think it's pretty cool, thanks for watching!
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This was super helpful! Thank you!
great video you rock! thanks for pointing out the Escalante 3 is the widest Altra because I had that very question
Thanks for watching!
The website says the escalate 3 is also the standard footshape, not the original footshape.
Looking forward to this one. The Torin is my go to recovery and long run shoe. I like the Rivera, similar cushion, if slightly different rides, IMO for anything under 90 minutes, but when going over 90 minutes the extra stack of the Torin sure is felt and appreciated! I never really had tongue problems so long as I laced the shoe all the way up.
It's such a great high cushion shoe for those longer days, thanks for watching!
@@RunMoore no idea why people consider torin high cushion lol. my whole family bought the torin 1.5 ish or whatever gen it was. feels just like the average tennis/ping pong shoe cushion, if not slightly more esp on the front and obviously softer, but def very narrow on the back by comparison too so they don't wear it as much sadly cus they are not altra diehards like i am.
as for high arc, i'm not really high arc but i've never feared twisting inward the bottom of my flaps. but I find the p1 just alright. def nowhere as stable as torin just out of basic geometry of being more lower to the ground (torin) while of the more or less same length and width (slightly wider also cus i bought 44.5 vs 44). def wear it more in winter with all the chunky clothing weighing me up. But I do think natural riding stance and balanced cushioning and zero drop should apply on both X and Y axis, as a principle.
Hi Steve, is the 6 narrower than the 5 or were the two you held up just different sizes? The 6 looked way narrower in the side by side.
I love the Torin 4.5 Plush, but I hate the Torin 5. which model is similar to the new version?
Torin 4.5 Plush...best.recovery.shoe.ever! I hope this 6 is similar. 🙏
@@runningwithjane I won a 3 months stop with the torin 5. I cannot see this model -.-
They need to revisit the Torin 4. It was durable, cushioned, ventilated, and very comfortable. I do run in the Torin 5s and tolerate them. The toebox mesh ripped on both sides, but still runnable and the tongue (like you said) is a bad, uncomfortable design. Hopefully the 6 will be better. I do love altra torin shoes, I just hope future uppers will be more padded and durable 🤞
The 6 does seem like an improvement, we hope you like it. Thanks for watching!
@@RunMoore If you like Torin 4 or Torin 4 Plush with another midsole. The Torin 6 wide is awesome! Had 5 torin 3.5 Knit and 3 pair of Torin 4. Yes Torin 4 is durable and awesome in general. I now use Torin 4 together with two pairs of Torin 6 Wide, nice shoe. Very happy that they made this option. It feels like a original Altra
Great review thx. Just placed the preorder via your website. Looking forward to try the shoes when they release it especially most changes look good. Hopefully, the one less lockdown eyelet won’t bother me too much. I wonder what they ‘gain’ by removing it?
We wonder as well. Hope you enjoy your shoes!
Hi, I may have missed it but does it fit true to size?
I find the Torin 5 is a bit short ..
Thanks
Since it has not been officially released yet, we have only tried demo versions of the shoe, which may fit differently than the final product. We can give a more accurate answer once the shoe is officially out, but it will likely fit the same as the 5
@@RunMoore I feel like my Torin 6s turned out more true to size and less "Altra size." I had Torin 5 in 11s and now the Torin 6 in 10.5.
@@RunMoore Hi, I draw my foot on the paper, measure the length, & it's 27cm long. I got the Vanish Tempo size 11, & its length fits me perfectly. The Vanish Tempo's insole is 29cm long.
What size of the Torin 6 would give me the length like that of the Vanish Tempo size 11 please?
I'm sorry to put you through this, because once I buy your shoe & import them into my country, I can't exchange it. So I have only 1 chance to get the size right.
Thank you.
Hmm. I had 2 generations backs and it was "ok". I do like my Escalantes. I think this time instead of going Torin, I am going to hold out for the Outroad for a little more versatility.
The new foam makes a huge difference over the older Torin models, IMO. Also, the grip is fantastic on multiple surfaces.
@@mikehowerton630 it's the same foam as the Timp 4 correct?
@@TwoBlueScrews yes 👍🏻
The versatility of the Outroad is great!
@@TwoBlueScrews my country will only carry timp4 wm.......sadgeface
I have the Torin 5 and found two faults: the tread seemed to wear down much faster and outside started to peel off on both right and left foot. Additionally, the tongue was such a 'hard' material at the end that it dug into my ankle and caused discomfort. Do you know if these two components are different on the 6 compared to the 5?
Yes, the tongue composition has been changed and is much softer, and we have been assured they addressed their peeling problem.
I actually find the torin wider than the escalante because of the curve of the escalante. Cant wait to pick up a par of the Torin 6!
Yes, they are their widest at slightly different parts of the shoe! We hope you love the 6
i dont like esc series because it's obviously more form vs function toned. 3 seems streamlined into the torin design but unlike paradigm it don't even have the bionic pattern, nor ego max. which makse it even that more obvious of a downgrade/budget package vs just a conscious "minimal" preference choice..also they aren't making men's special colors for the 3...yet? For that tier of padding I was hoping they would have brought back the instinct/intuition by now......my favorite altra by far.
Great overview as usual! I had no issues with the top of the tongue but that convoluted lacing system is a nightmare. Glad to see they changed that. The new heelcup looks great too. I'd also like to have a little more bounce in the midsole. I'm 190 so that may contribute to the lack of bounce but my Escalantes feel bouncier with less stack.
We hope you love the shoe, thanks for watching!
@@RunMoore Have you guys heard anything about the Mount Blanc Boa ? When will it drop ?
@@opusmax8171 Yes, we are expecting it to drop in August. We will have a review up in the next month or so.
@@RunMoore Awesome ! Thank u
Great video nice store wish I was in your area that come in and see you I live in Greece starting to walk again after many years of stopping exercise I'm overweight I have flat feet I underpronate I have issues with knees back and foot pain achiles have flat feet wide feet and generally obese so what I've been doing for the last 2 months is walking 5K a day at a pretty fast pace everyday so this is the shoe that I came up with and I needed your advice the altra torino 5. Do you have something else to suggest in and around the same price point
I liked the Torin 4. I have wide and high and thick feet. Basically, I have bricks for feet. I need a 9 EEEE and no one really makes that anymore (the old New Balance 878 was good, but now they've changed the last). The Torin seems to have gotten smaller toe box (and never had a truly wide shoe to begin with, so there I had to get a 9.5 W to work). I wear orthotics so pronation generally covered there. What shoes should I even try at this point? Thanks
Would these be good for everyday casual or trainers per say?
Great review as always.
Hi Steve, can you recommend some options with great arch support?
Really interested in the Torin 6. Can you please confirm that the tongue issue from 5 is fixed?
Unfortunately, they didn't really change too much from the Torin 5 to the 6. They added a small amount of padding to the tongue, but it is still very thin. However, they are making major changes to the Torin with the new Torin 7. It is planned on being released early Summer of 2023. You should definitely look forward to the Torin 7. It is one of the shoes we are looking forward to the most!
I love the Torin 5. I just wear socks that aren't zero show and the tongue isn't an issue for me, but I definitely understand why people dislike it. I'll be curious to see how the heel change affects the fit for me. I have a fairly significant bone spur on my right heel that might make that an issue.
Hopefully it is still soft enough for your heel!
zero show if not tight= rubbing against the shoe which even if soft = more cleaning the shoe= more painful than just washing the sock, like why would anyone not a racer/instagram shitposter do that..
Been running in the T6 since July, tongue is MUCH improved, but has a tendency to fold up a bit when putting it on. It stays in place for me when running, though.
I did like the heel cup improvement. About 70 miles in and it is wearing very well for me.
Tried this shoe on locally last week and despite going with the Lone Peak because I wanted better traction in the coming winter months(as an everyday shoe), this Torin is still on my mind. I’m flat footed but seem to wear out my Timp 2’s on the outside portion of my foot evidencing supination, which surprised me. From your review it seems this shoe might be a good alternative. I don’t like a lot of arch support/ lockdown as it causes me more foot strain, it didn’t seem like the Torin 6 had a lot of arch support or maybe the support it has is exactly what I need. The lockdown/support of the Provision line is about as much as I can handle. Just my 2 cents worth…if anyone else has this flat-footed issue. Have to mention tho that I had to go into the wide shoe as the regular width was pinching my pinky toes due to bunion issues. Would like to see a bit of stiffness added to this but I’ll take it anyway!
thank you, i think i may have just found the perfect shoe for a friend of mine who has pretty much the exact same conditions (supinating flat feet with bunions) as you! boring as the wide colourway may be i'm gonna get her to give it a try
Hi Steve,
The length of my feet is exactly 29.5cm which is a US size 11.5.
When I buy the Escalante 3, do you think I should get a size 11.5, or do you think I should go half a size up and get a US size 12?
Im a US 11, but had to get US11.5 for the Escalante 3s. That said, nothing like trying it out at the shops.
Glad they fixed the tongue and improved the heel counter, but why remove the extra eyelid. I don't understand.
So all the reviews I see online say they are falling apart after a month and you are saying how great the durability is. 🤔
Looks so darn good. Torin 5 is brilliant minus the scalpel tongue 😛
Are these shoes good for me if I have knee pain in my left knee, medium arches, and standard width size 9 feet? I'm looking for shoes for long walks and jogging
Usually, people with ankle, knee, or hip pain have instability issues. That means you are over or under-pronating when you walk. We would recommend the Paradigm 6. It is the stable version of the Torin 6. It has the same maximum cushion feel with a hint of added stability.
Another great review👍 I have a crazy question is the heel area in the torin 5 the same as the Mont Blanc as far as width?
The heel on the Torin is a little wider than the Mont Blanc.
@@RunMoore thanks
When will this shoe be released? I liked the feel of the Torin 5 but am waiting to buy the Torin 6 due to the change on the tongue
They were supposed to be out this week, but most of the sizes are delayed by Altra with backorder dates around early August.
@@RunMoore ohh shoot :(
@@zulkhaireesulaiman8575 According to Altra, we will be getting our first shipment by June 15th, so we will have some options available.
What is Torin 6 Upper's material (I found Escalante 2.5 Knit very warm and can't use them at summer)?
The changes from the 5 are good news. I never bought the 5 (I’ve gone through a couple pairs of 4’s) because just trying the shoe in the store I knew the tongue would be a problem.
We are definitely relieved the tongue has been changed, as that was the #1 complaint about the 5, thanks for watching!
Is good for long walk?
Looks like altra is giving the cooler colorways to the ladies, once again 🤦🏻♂️😂
Altra said ladies first!
@@RunMoore 😂😂
@@RunMoore dude where can i sign up to reroll my birth stats.
@@lyrilljackson try skiing rails
About to cop these - is it true to size?
They have been running true to size length-wise, but some people have gone a half size up if they have a higher instep.
Just to be clear the Torin is a moderate cushioning level model. If you want max cushioning you’d want the Paradigm. Not sure why they choose such a lightweight model as the Escalante to be the option with the widest fit. Makes no sense to me. Why would they pick the widest option fitting upper on the narrowest platform?
The Torin is actually considered Altra's "max cushion neutral shoe". While it doesn't have the same stack height as the Paradigm, it has significantly more cushion than the light and mid cushion neutral models, Escalante and Rivera.
@@RunMoore I hear yah, but doesn’t feel that way for me. I have multiple pairs of each and I always feel more cushion from the Paradigm. But, then again I feel zero cushioning in the Hoka Arahi.
because they shoehorned the rivera in lol. while removing instinct. which was imo much better design.
@@PLANETWATERMELON paradigm is def always been the big boss. as per name. also they got rid of the one, and the duo.. would have been more justified to say whatever above the one more than it really is.
@@lyrilljackson Yep, not sure how or why they would get rid of the name of the shoe tat put them on the map. Long live the Instinct!!! Altra actually made a size 7 men’s before they made men’s 7 for me back in the day.
I just bought these how is in Australia I paid $260
Great info, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Leave it to Altra to replace one major flaw design with another. Fixed the sharp tongue issue but the Torin 6 will have no heel lock eyelet for runner's loop. A number one problem with the Escalante 2.5 is it had no heel lock eyelet. So they fixed that by adding it in the new Escalante 3. I'm confused. Can somebody please tell me how something as benign as a extra eyelet harms the quality of a shoe. Most running shoes have them. The V-shape heel is not for lockdown. It's to take the strain off the achilles tendon. The shoe designers for Altra need to be drug tested it's that simple.
Agree 100%%
Hi! Just wanted to ask if anyone has worn the Torin 6 with correct toes or toe spacers?
Do you have them available for purchase now?
We have them available for preorder at the moment, they have not been officially released yet.
Wow. $160 and no eyelet for my runners knot? Why, Altra?? They did the same thing with the previous Escalante. So now there are two Altra road shoes I won't use anymore. Unfortunate...
We are sorry to hear that!
Wow, $160. Ever since VF acquired Altra the money grab has been crazy. The Torin was $120 before acquisition just 4/5 years ago.
Unfortunately, Altra is not alone. All other shoe brands have increased similarly in recent years.
Who is VF?
@@hiddenleaf414 VF Corp. They own a bunch of clothing and footwear companies.
Looks like the Escalante 3 is now standard fit
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the great review.
For someone like me who has flat feet and low arches, which type of Altra shoe do you think would be best?
I would look into either the Provision or the Paradigm, as these are both stability models designed for people with flat feet. The main difference between the two is that the Provision is a mid cushion shoe and the Paradigm is a max cushion shoe, so you can choose between them based on your cushion preferences. The Provision also has a slightly wider toebox if that is a concern for you.
Does anyone know if the Altra Escalante 3 and the Torin 6 shoes have enough width and space to comfortably wear toe spacers like the CorrectToes, inside of the shoes?
I love altra, but they make the most bizarre design choices when it comes to tongue and heel. So many models would have benefited from just a contemporary heel design
Anyone had problems with shoe falling apart? Seeing bad reviews on Amazon.
Do you know if Altra will ever offer Road models in a US Men’s 16?
Great review btw!
I like this new version
So do we, thanks for watching!
Dude how are you getting all your shoes so early!?
We get demos of shoes before they are released through our Altra sales representative so we can test and review them.
which altra would be best for low arches?
I would try the Provision..I’ve bought 3 different generations of them.
The Provision or the Paradigm is the best Altra for low arches. The Provision is the lower cushioned version of the Paradigm. Both great shoes!
@Steve: for this version 6: is the wide version wider ONLY at the toes box? or it wider everywhere? Thank you
Did you find out how and where wider is wide option?
@@StraszyFyFy Sorry, I didn't find out. I think it a bit wide everywhere. I just want wide in the toes box
@@MrBunbut I tried on both versions and I typically prefer a wider toe box…I liked the wide version in this Torin and I have a more narrow heel. So if you like the wider toe box I’d say give the wide a try.
@@deetles98 Thank you for your information. Will have to try the wide version next buy.
is there a Torin 6 Luxe version ?
This is pretty lux if you ask me…
Tongue still cut into my ankles from the first run on.
I am sorry to hear that!
mid length, thicker socks works for me on the torin 6s!
Torin 5 was NOT extremely popular with Torin lifers like me. Tongue was not the deal breaker, the increase in toe box width was though. I tried 5 different pairs. Tried a couple or Rivera's? Not enough cushioning. The 5 was the lowest rated review I've ever seen for Torin. No one liked the bigger toe box flopping around. Hope 6 is back to old design.
The toebox on the Torin 6 is as wide as the 5 but is more shallow and the material is less forgiving, so it has a tighter fit. Despite some complaints, the 5 ended up being their most popular Torin, especially for people who need the extra width.
They got rid of the heel lock, NO NO! Ugh. 😔.
Don't agree with you about the heel. They added extra puffiness which in my case doesn't really help with heel lock and just feels weird, and adds unnecessary weight. They could've simply stripped it down and just added minimal padding the way Puma does in their racing models, and it would've been a much more secure lockdown. Also the heel has minimal structure so this whole fucking thing will eventually crunch and collapse at the base. Design brainfart from Altra imho.
They ruined the torin when they removed quantic midsole
dude did u even use torin 1-3.5
@@lyrilljackson Duuuude. Yes
@@wking8
@@lyrilljackson Have run exclusively in the 4.5 plush for the past 2 years
@@wking8 the 5 is more plush tho. and more rebound.
Waiting for the WIDE version!!! Come on Altra STOP making these skinny shoes!! Nike suck
Same old lame colorways for Altra but Torin is my favorite for long runs. High price for ridiculous color option 👎 #gaveuswhatwewant
Why do they get rid of the extra lockdown eyelet. People that do not need it ignore it, people that want it will have problems now. Can't save that much $ by removing an eyelet.
It is a bummer, we will give that feedback to Altra
I get confused by it, but yeah i do use it occasionally. more likely if i want secure i'd just go higher ankle shoes, altra's future plan for that kind of release is still murky
Is the Torin 6 heavier than the Torin 5? Altra’s website lists it as 10 ounces for a men’s?! 😱
When do you think the wide versions will be available?
So for width, which would have the widest toe box Torin 6 Wide or Escalante 3?
@@StraszyFyFy Hey, I don't mean to be rude but are you saying that even the Torin 6 WIDE is less in width than the Escalante 3 ? Have you tried both the shoes? I'm actually planning on buying a road shoe and I just want the widest one especially since there's no road shoe in the Original fit. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!