Things still need to balanced... The idea that "lore wise this race is (not) numerous" doesnt really matter. Assuming Ogres get fixed, their basic infantry is not that great, besides being fast.
A big problem with ogres is that it feels pretty bad having no good tank units. Monstrous infantry on its own just suck in melee when faced with infantry on its own. Gnoblars help but low leadership and bad stats give little sticking power and then they end up failing to properly protect the ogres. I really feel like ogre need a defensive ogre unit to mix in with regular ogres to defend them. Atleast for campaign.
Artillery targets the same as most missile units, and afaik they target the area of a unit thats closest. Thats why skirmish cav often just overkills the same 2-5 models rather than spread their damage effectively if they are on fire at will.
I'd have to disagree, it was more frustrating and infuriating than anything, just a super pricey POS that can't hit the broadside of a continent. . . and 1 ANYTHING would kill it. Felt life SHIT and hot trash.
would have liked to see the dread quake mortar being placed closer to the start of your deployment zone. While yes that's a lot more risky, artillery is more accurate the closer you are to your target. The thing only has 15 shots, so my thought process is, its not gonna last long anyway even in the best case scenario. Put it up front, move it aggressively towards the battle lines, sure your first hit will probably be on a peasant still, but at least it will actually hit the peasant yknow. It doesn't have a crew and you have a flying goon squad, so you've got plenty of anti sniping.
Maybe an artillery shell on their mega blob of chaff at objective 3, when they flip it the first time? :D Some Hobgoblins may die, but that is a sacrifice you are willing to make! :>
1:41 Ogres can be knocked down and can stagger. Easy way to test this is just throw some bulls against a big beastie like Kholek. They get thrown around and staggered like every other monstrous infantry. Ogres just have so much mass most things don't trigger staggers or knockdowns (same for other monstrous infantry). Ogre units are busted because their CB values are insanely high, so much so that half application still puts them ahead of most monstrous infantry, meaning the intended counters don't work. 44 CB on a 500 cost unit with 24 entities is insane, GW Khorne Minos with Frenzy just barely manage to get to 44 CB. With charge defense they have 22 CB which still puts them at Troll level. On the game itself, Infernal Guard GW are solidly overpriced compared to other GWs with similar stats. 44 WS and 18 CB is really low damage so being more expensive than Marauder Champs and Tzar Guard is wacky. When combined with so many expensive non-cap weight units it seems basically impossible to deal with a mantide since you don't have enough killing power to clear cap weight fast enough. As for the Dreadquake, while it did pay for itself you'd hope a missile unit using all of it's ammo would gain a substantial value surplus, otherwise it's too easy to just ignore it. Deathshriek is a much better investment.
Surprised you didn't have any AoE 4 videos with a preview for the new stuff!! I saw you were on that release and was hoping you'd have some kick ass content!
Casting MTG is relativly hard because you don't really have hype moments but rather a lot of relativly dry analysis (which is fine but caters to a smaller audience)
@@olafthemoose9413 True dat. I remember watching streams of people playing MyG online and it was actually quite enjoyable. I stopped because I disagree with the way the game is but I am sure Turin would find a way to make it good if he wanted to. 🙂
I get that big price tags are supposed to be a Chorf weakness, but god Hobgoblin infantry should not be at the same price range as Ogres
Things still need to balanced... The idea that "lore wise this race is (not) numerous" doesnt really matter. Assuming Ogres get fixed, their basic infantry is not that great, besides being fast.
A big problem with ogres is that it feels pretty bad having no good tank units. Monstrous infantry on its own just suck in melee when faced with infantry on its own. Gnoblars help but low leadership and bad stats give little sticking power and then they end up failing to properly protect the ogres. I really feel like ogre need a defensive ogre unit to mix in with regular ogres to defend them. Atleast for campaign.
Love how artillery still aims for the very wings of a unit rather than center mass
It's so goofy to watch. Heck, a lot of ranged single entities do the same thing and it seems so weird.
even better when it´s multiple of your Units and they use 4 entire Volleys to overkill 7 Models
There's something funny about seeing you with six units verse a full twenty stack. And one of your six is a goblin!
Glad you show both wins and losses! Good breakdown afterwards and helpful for learning players like me
I like the extra advice/build retrospective after the match, hope you'll add it to future videos, too!
Appreciated the matchup analysis in the end
Thanks for continuing on with the TW content!
It's a little painful to see all those peasant blobs while the Dreadquake wastes ammo tickling some backline reserves
I'd love to see grail guardians and hyppogryph knights, those are some beauriful center pieces!
Okay this may just be the angling but did the mortar always hit the right side of the units? I thought all artillery targeted center mass.
Artillery targets the same as most missile units, and afaik they target the area of a unit thats closest. Thats why skirmish cav often just overkills the same 2-5 models rather than spread their damage effectively if they are on fire at will.
Any plans to do a Warhammer stream soon? As always, I love the content
Those dreadquake hits are so satisfying :D
I'd have to disagree, it was more frustrating and infuriating than anything, just a super pricey POS that can't hit the broadside of a continent. . . and 1 ANYTHING would kill it. Felt life SHIT and hot trash.
@@shanedog007this community became so toxic wow, always complaining
dont cry :)@@shanedog007
U should try the melee choo choo 🚂
would have liked to see the dread quake mortar being placed closer to the start of your deployment zone. While yes that's a lot more risky, artillery is more accurate the closer you are to your target. The thing only has 15 shots, so my thought process is, its not gonna last long anyway even in the best case scenario. Put it up front, move it aggressively towards the battle lines, sure your first hit will probably be on a peasant still, but at least it will actually hit the peasant yknow. It doesn't have a crew and you have a flying goon squad, so you've got plenty of anti sniping.
Need to get those breath attacks and charge cycling game on with the big bullies
When I bring the dreadquake I use the laborers to tie up their expensive units, then nuke em. 😂
Yo do you have any plans for any 2v2 tournaments? I really enjoyed watching those
Maybe an artillery shell on their mega blob of chaff at objective 3, when they flip it the first time? :D Some Hobgoblins may die, but that is a sacrifice you are willing to make! :>
THOSE peasants ain't gonna be in Age of Sigmar!
1:41 Ogres can be knocked down and can stagger. Easy way to test this is just throw some bulls against a big beastie like Kholek. They get thrown around and staggered like every other monstrous infantry. Ogres just have so much mass most things don't trigger staggers or knockdowns (same for other monstrous infantry).
Ogre units are busted because their CB values are insanely high, so much so that half application still puts them ahead of most monstrous infantry, meaning the intended counters don't work. 44 CB on a 500 cost unit with 24 entities is insane, GW Khorne Minos with Frenzy just barely manage to get to 44 CB. With charge defense they have 22 CB which still puts them at Troll level.
On the game itself, Infernal Guard GW are solidly overpriced compared to other GWs with similar stats. 44 WS and 18 CB is really low damage so being more expensive than Marauder Champs and Tzar Guard is wacky. When combined with so many expensive non-cap weight units it seems basically impossible to deal with a mantide since you don't have enough killing power to clear cap weight fast enough. As for the Dreadquake, while it did pay for itself you'd hope a missile unit using all of it's ammo would gain a substantial value surplus, otherwise it's too easy to just ignore it. Deathshriek is a much better investment.
Will there be any faction wars for Warhammer 3 in the future?
wouldnt one of the missile halberds be a good unit against bretonnia? or a castellan to help anchor points
Since Dreadquake Mortar and Iron Daemon are fixed,I have no problem with shooting.
Surprised you didn't have any AoE 4 videos with a preview for the new stuff!! I saw you were on that release and was hoping you'd have some kick ass content!
I think some Sneaky Gits could have helped in that infantry fight
When is the next Warhammer stream ?
The Great weapon Infernal Guard are so ridiculously overpriced. They should only be maybe 1000 gold tops.
Any AOE4 tonight or tomorrow?
Man I think the Brettonian roster is a bit undercosted. Great game either way
GG WP!
Dread quake mortar is very cool. Good try.
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First! You're awesome Turin, love your vids
Magic The Gathering stream when..?? And I think you would be amazing casting MtG matches or tournaments and stuff 🙂🙂
Casting MTG is relativly hard because you don't really have hype moments but rather a lot of relativly dry analysis (which is fine but caters to a smaller audience)
@@olafthemoose9413 True dat. I remember watching streams of people playing MyG online and it was actually quite enjoyable. I stopped because I disagree with the way the game is but I am sure Turin would find a way to make it good if he wanted to. 🙂