I don’t think the R&A will let them. The only way to make a driver go longer is to do what Bryson has worked out what he needs to do to make it go longer.
I think they will but it will be a few yards over 5 or 6 years now instead of every new driver that comes out. Unless we all go down ur Plath and train for distance
Will be good when the new ones go into second hand sale groups after 1-3 rounds. Scuff marks across the top and white tee lines running 45 degrees across the bottom.
Enjoyed the video trying to determine which one to buy. I have a 917 and want to upgrade. I liked the 3 (TSI and TS), but with little difference I may want to save a little, I love titanium.
Thanks for an honest review Mark. Good to see a test where the new driver doesn’t somehow have miraculous gains, because I believe the step change takes many years. Would love a TS3 though. Thank you.
Love all your vlogs and very informative information about all clubs and gadgets.love the muppets vlogs against the pro,s..ooops some scalp wins there.dont wanna win any clubs I’m not good enough to make a difference I’m afraid but would love your picture of your glasses on your wall. I wear glasses also.
In the market for a new driver and fairway wood. Thanks for the review and all your insights. Really appreciate it. Would welcome a slightly used TS3 however.
I have a tpt driver shaft with Titleist adapter sitting in the corner of the basement and would love to change out the 915 and put that awesome ts3 on it and get stuck in! Maybe longer depending on quality of fit regarding the new stuff.
Oh....YES PLEASE!!! In the era of modern drivers I always love seeing these things drop in the used buckets... I generally like the feel/sound of Titlelist drivers though. Good stuff. It's just got to compete with so many good sounding/feeling drivers.
Love the look of both The TS 3 and TSi 3 . Don't think there will be much in it but will be interested in your results . Am happy to accept either TS3 or TSi3 . Thanks Mark
I am interested in the new TSI, I’m looking to upgrade my driver next year. Still using Nike Covert 2.0 would be interested to see if any gains to be had.
Older Ts for the win- new tech = very marginal gains. Great content- really moving the goal posts and love the new studio. Cheers from a NZer in Hampshire
I think we have reached the point when we are dealing with minimal differences from year to year. I know they have to come out with new products but based on the USGA limits that we are at there isn't much further to go without having the club hit it without you holding it!!! I would like the TS2 in the giveaway!! Thank you
Got fitted for a TSi2. Out of my price range. I think the TS2 would be a great, less expensive alternative. Doubted the i-series would be head and shoulders above. Your results proved that.
still have my 917D2 and when I tested the first TS drivers got the same exact distance. Could tell off of mishits slightly less distance lost nothing worth spending that amount of money on at the moment. Having someone properly fit the clubs and you being comfortable with it much more important than having the latest and greatest every couple years
Yes it will be longer but...just marginally. Tech seems to have hit a point of diminishing return but there’s still a minor gain to be had. Thanks Mark!
I’ve been wanting to change my driver for 18 months... been for 3 test/fitting (2 at American Golf and 1 from local pro). Never been more than a couple of yard gains over my current TM M1! Best thing to come out of my last visit was 2 tips that got me drawing the ball 5-10 yards over my usual 10 yard fade. Just gonna spend my money on lessons me thinks 🤔
THey'll be very similar I think.. I think we're at the point where all that will help us is better weight placement, loft, etc to suit our own particular strike patterns.. Amazed if we see much gain.
I play a 913 currently and have since 2014. I don’t think year on year you would expect much difference, unless there was a complete change of philosophy. Great looking clubs. Tried the sim and the ping new drivers at my club just struggled in the studio tbh. New irons coming in November so a driver on the back burner for now unfortunately. Sad face!
I'm not sure that these would go any longer than my 917D3. As always its dependent on strike. I think we have been there for a couple of years on distance, just the miss hits going further with the face technology.
Looking forward to the New TSI 3, base on reviews I’ve seen is the newer TSI is longer and straighter. Is it enough to upgrade from a TS 3 10.5 to a TSI 10 ? Accuracy and consistency is #1 factor for me
Improvement will change from person to person. Like you said it gets to a point where you are testing the guy holding the stick not the stick itself. If you have 10 year old club might aswell go the i if you have a ts might as well stick with it unless your last fitting was way off.
Very similar Mark. New TSi's are just more fitable with the weight arrangement and maybe spin rate slightly lower due to different friction areas across the face.
So fundamentally ZERO net benefit for the vast majority of punters trying to upgrade. All quality products but the only real difference is what sound or look you like and if you've got the $$$ to buy one. Don't tell Taylormade because every new one of their Drivers for the last 8 years is 12-15 yards longer than the last one (and FYI - I have an M4 which I am very happy with). Totally agree with you, given the regulations and face limits, we have reached the zenith but round and round in circles we must go because marketing trumps facts.
The marketing spin is all the manufacturers have as do not see big gains in many new drivers. I am a "mid handicapper" and have an original M2 which was fitted for in 2016, for my standard of golf having occasionally tested new drivers am yet to see any improvement from new offerings. Having said that would love to take your old TS3 into a local fitter and prove that some newer models can offer better results!
It will only be a matter of 2-3 yards if anything. I think we are pretty much at the limit in terms of head design. There are other ways to get more distance as you have often stated Mark.
My issue with drivers is that yeah, I wouldn’t mind the old model for a discounted price because the performance is not all that different. However, I would not be able to find a place to get a fitting for the old model. So then I could get a deal but not get fit and then the possible performance difference could be significant. Thoughts?
Pity so many watch these honest reviews and can’t be bothered to tap the like button! I tap the like button for every one Mark! Free content with some likeable fellow humans, playing a game I love! What’s not to like! 👍⛳️🏌🏼♂️
I think that the TSi3 is fractionally longer than the TS3 - but only due to the launch conditions being fractionally better/different i.e. lower spin and perhaps lower launch (yes, I did watch the TXG comparison video). Not minded to buy the TSi3 though.
I have only been hitting for 1.5 months at the driving range and 1 round of golf. I have a very old Taylormade R580 XD. Went to the store this weekend and tested several new drivers that are on sale. I didn't purchase any because I hit them all equally bad. Keeping the old cheap driver until my skill level improves or I win one of these.
Probably after playing a lot and getting use to the new TSI versions surely the new tech will help your overall stats helping slight mis-strikes so i'd say the new the TSI 3 with a slight ability to dial yourself in would be the way to go. Mark you faded most , have you tried a pressure plate to examine your weight transfer compared to the timing of your swing?
The new TSi2-3 might be 2-3 yds longer when compared to TS2-3. There might be very small incremental increase in the new drivers and if you have been properly custom fit for the old TS2-3 the gains might be really small 😅 However in terms of looks I definitely prefer the looks of the TSi3 a lot. It’s looks really beautiful and sleek in my eyes 🤩❤️❤️❤️
I've been through 3 generations of Ping drivers over the past 12 years and nothing is getting longer. I reckon the last 2 clubs have definitely been less leaky though with more shots staying on the fairway despite strikes that weren't perfect.
TSi3 driver is AMAZING!!!... I didn't think I would like the new sound, but it's actually quite nice, and it feels amazing! I almost feels like you're hitting the ball with a pillow, as werid as that sounds.
Best to best I think it will be the same, I don't think it will be any difference
John you are a winner of my old TS driver please message me on facebook and instagram to claim your driver
Wow absolutely amazed, hopefully I'll be able to do it justice and hit fairways, thanks Mark you have made my day ☺️☺️
To me new releases mean that it's a good time to look into the previous models.
Always interesting seeing old and new tech being pretty much the same. The cycle continues. Would love to compare one of ur old ts drivers with my 913
I play the TS3 and love it. Classic looking. Adjustable. Perfect.
Longer than my older drivers but probably not much more than my current but always worth a try! Thanks for the honest review!
Will drivers ever get longer or are we there?
Ha ha 5k likes you most want to keep them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don’t think the R&A will let them. The only way to make a driver go longer is to do what Bryson has worked out what he needs to do to make it go longer.
I think they will but it will be a few yards over 5 or 6 years now instead of every new driver that comes out. Unless we all go down ur Plath and train for distance
Only if ya a humans get stronger a fitter and make them longer
Liked, long time subscriber w/bell. The new one will be longer on average... slightly. And yes I liked your old TS3
Just got fitted for the TSi3. Gained 15 yards over my 917. Thanks foe this video. I mAy look at the TS3 instead
Will be good when the new ones go into second hand sale groups after 1-3 rounds. Scuff marks across the top and white tee lines running 45 degrees across the bottom.
And the exact thing has happened with GT series. Sooo many TSR drivers for sale, and they are actually cheaper than the TSi3. Golfers are mental.
Enjoyed the video trying to determine which one to buy. I have a 917 and want to upgrade. I liked the 3 (TSI and TS), but with little difference I may want to save a little, I love titanium.
It’s just a load of TS or just BS from the marketing department!
Great review and no surprises then! All that new aerospace tech and no significant change...makes you wonder...
Definitely longer, it’s got an “i” at the end..👍🏻
Thanks for an honest review Mark. Good to see a test where the new driver doesn’t somehow have miraculous gains, because I believe the step change takes many years. Would love a TS3 though. Thank you.
I think drivers have reached there limit. Load of TS!
Very interesting that most of them so similar. Not really enough differences to make me run out and change from one to another.
Nice review I'm looking at these drivers. Currently gaming a 917 d2 it's a good one. I do love how the tsi 3 looks.
Recently bought a used TS2, delighted with it. Love the feel and sound
Appreciate the video and big fan of Titleist Drivers 🇨🇦
I would imagine the TSi models to be 1 yd longer than the TS models. Fantastic video as always Super Mark 🙌
Love the pear drop look
Love all your vlogs and very informative information about all clubs and gadgets.love the muppets vlogs against the pro,s..ooops some scalp wins there.dont wanna win any clubs I’m not good enough to make a difference I’m afraid but would love your picture of your glasses on your wall. I wear glasses also.
I appreciate that mark can talk through his waggle and during the ball flight.
In the market for a new driver and fairway wood. Thanks for the review and all your insights. Really appreciate it. Would welcome a slightly used TS3 however.
I have a tpt driver shaft with Titleist adapter sitting in the corner of the basement and would love to change out the 915 and put that awesome ts3 on it and get stuck in! Maybe longer depending on quality of fit regarding the new stuff.
Definitely agree with you on this one Mark would probably wait to see what Titleist have up their sleeves for the next model !
Surprised by the low gains (if any) from the new TSi models compared to what many different TH-camrs are saying. Great vid, bruh
Oh....YES PLEASE!!! In the era of modern drivers I always love seeing these things drop in the used buckets... I generally like the feel/sound of Titlelist drivers though. Good stuff. It's just got to compete with so many good sounding/feeling drivers.
Hi mark I have ts2 it's the best feeling driver I have used, intrigued to see tsi 3 feel the same
Enjoyed the review, if I had the old Titleist driver, going on your data, I would save my money 💴 and stick to the old T3 👍
TS 3 was such an improvement over my 915d3 especially on forgiveness that I can’t see spending more right now
I‘ve played Titleist drivers for the past 20 years. The first one I owned was the 975D. Please send me a more up to date model. I like the TS2.
Great vid Mark outcome is interesting for sure love the honesty in your reviews Mark
Love the look of both The TS 3 and TSi 3 . Don't think there will be much in it but will be interested in your results . Am happy to accept either TS3 or TSi3 . Thanks Mark
I am interested in the new TSI, I’m looking to upgrade my driver next year. Still using Nike Covert 2.0 would be interested to see if any gains to be had.
Good fair review Mark, a lot of current drivers are well made good clubs, these Titleist's are very much in that bracket. I like TSi3.
Older Ts for the win- new tech = very marginal gains. Great content- really moving the goal posts and love the new studio. Cheers from a NZer in Hampshire
Oh and I have a 913 D3. Would enjoy seeing that comparison with TSi
I think we have reached the point when we are dealing with minimal differences from year to year. I know they have to come out with new products but based on the USGA limits that we are at there isn't much further to go without having the club hit it without you holding it!!! I would like the TS2 in the giveaway!! Thank you
Yes because you will love the looks and the sound.
Got fitted for a TSi2. Out of my price range. I think the TS2 would be a great, less expensive alternative. Doubted the i-series would be head and shoulders above. Your results proved that.
still have my 917D2 and when I tested the first TS drivers got the same exact distance. Could tell off of mishits slightly less distance lost nothing worth spending that amount of money on at the moment. Having someone properly fit the clubs and you being comfortable with it much more important than having the latest and greatest every couple years
Still gaming a 913 so would be interested to see comparites to the new Titleist TS and TSi
Another great review, just shows how close these two drivers was on the day it’s just down to strike 👍💪
Yes it will be longer but...just marginally. Tech seems to have hit a point of diminishing return but there’s still a minor gain to be had. Thanks Mark!
I’ve been wanting to change my driver for 18 months... been for 3 test/fitting (2 at American Golf and 1 from local pro). Never been more than a couple of yard gains over my current TM M1!
Best thing to come out of my last visit was 2 tips that got me drawing the ball 5-10 yards over my usual 10 yard fade.
Just gonna spend my money on lessons me thinks 🤔
Was waiting for TSI to be released so can pick up TS3 cheaper now. Still running 913 so ready for an upgrade.
Can’t wait for this fitting. Loved the Ts3 and the TSi3 should be amazing
Great vid. Deff going around and around a bit.
Fitted for tsi3 today. Great club but at $572 will look for ts3 with same shaft at half that price
This is what I’m looking at to see which is better before I buy last years model
Great honest video.
Great comparison, would love a TS3!
THey'll be very similar I think.. I think we're at the point where all that will help us is better weight placement, loft, etc to suit our own particular strike patterns.. Amazed if we see much gain.
I don't think Titleist or any OEM would say a club isn't longer if it wasn't (and have data to prove it). So TSi is longer than TS. Nice video Mark.
I play a 913 currently and have since 2014. I don’t think year on year you would expect much difference, unless there was a complete change of philosophy. Great looking clubs. Tried the sim and the ping new drivers at my club just struggled in the studio tbh.
New irons coming in November so a driver on the back burner for now unfortunately. Sad face!
What I'd love to see is the winner of this go head to head with other brands. SIM, Cobra SZ, Ping G410, Mavrik and Mavrik SZ.
I'm not sure that these would go any longer than my 917D3. As always its dependent on strike. I think we have been there for a couple of years on distance, just the miss hits going further with the face technology.
Looking forward to the New TSI 3, base on reviews I’ve seen is the newer TSI is longer and straighter. Is it enough to upgrade from a TS 3 10.5 to a TSI 10 ? Accuracy and consistency is #1 factor for me
Improvement will change from person to person. Like you said it gets to a point where you are testing the guy holding the stick not the stick itself. If you have 10 year old club might aswell go the i if you have a ts might as well stick with it unless your last fitting was way off.
Very similar Mark. New TSi's are just more fitable with the weight arrangement and maybe spin rate slightly lower due to different friction areas across the face.
Not sure about face friction but defo the other 👍
Love old school Titleist drivers, currently playing 983K which is working pretty well but would love to give one of these new bad boys a waft!
Tsi 3 looks sweet can't wait to get it in the bag, fitting at Titleist booked for Nov 16th
Thinking the newer model will be slightly longer but a lot of money to upgrade as often as the new releases want you to.
Good review Mark.
So fundamentally ZERO net benefit for the vast majority of punters trying to upgrade. All quality products but the only real difference is what sound or look you like and if you've got the $$$ to buy one. Don't tell Taylormade because every new one of their Drivers for the last 8 years is 12-15 yards longer than the last one (and FYI - I have an M4 which I am very happy with). Totally agree with you, given the regulations and face limits, we have reached the zenith but round and round in circles we must go because marketing trumps facts.
The marketing spin is all the manufacturers have as do not see big gains in many new drivers. I am a "mid handicapper" and have an original M2 which was fitted for in 2016, for my standard of golf having occasionally tested new drivers am yet to see any improvement from new offerings. Having said that would love to take your old TS3 into a local fitter and prove that some newer models can offer better results!
I just couldn’t quite get over the look of the ts2. Good improvements visually at least
It will only be a matter of 2-3 yards if anything. I think we are pretty much at the limit in terms of head design. There are other ways to get more distance as you have often stated Mark.
My issue with drivers is that yeah, I wouldn’t mind the old model for a discounted price because the performance is not all that different. However, I would not be able to find a place to get a fitting for the old model. So then I could get a deal but not get fit and then the possible performance difference could be significant. Thoughts?
I loved the TSi3 when trying it!
You hit the nail on the head - the numbers are more down to you than the club.
Still the original, and the best Mark!..... Let's get stuck in!
The new weight system seems very cool! Trying to decide between ts3 and TSi3
I reckon it will be slightly longer....but always did like the look of the ts3!
Pity so many watch these honest reviews and can’t be bothered to tap the like button! I tap the like button for every one Mark! Free content with some likeable fellow humans, playing a game I love! What’s not to like! 👍⛳️🏌🏼♂️
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i agree with most, they're definitely going to be very similar
Very similar I would think, would like to upgrade from my R15 driver.
I imagine they're in the ballpark of the old TS's... hooray marketing! Also, would love a new driver!
Wow, love the look. Shape is classic!
Yep TSi 3 on the money
I don’t imagine there is much in it, but they both look lovely to me.
I think the TSi3 is faster and a little further. Thanks for the great videos and content.
I think that the TSi3 is fractionally longer than the TS3 - but only due to the launch conditions being fractionally better/different i.e. lower spin and perhaps lower launch (yes, I did watch the TXG comparison video). Not minded to buy the TSi3 though.
Just bought a used TS3 with two shafts for £180 as an upgrade from my 915D3. Only had one range session but a used TS3 is a steal over a new TSi3
It might squeak 2 yards....I think consistency across the face is where drivers are headed...it’s why the g410 is so good
Got a 7 year old 913 and still plays well, would it be worth it to buy ts or TSI probably not
I have only been hitting for 1.5 months at the driving range and 1 round of golf. I have a very old Taylormade R580 XD. Went to the store this weekend and tested several new drivers that are on sale. I didn't purchase any because I hit them all equally bad. Keeping the old cheap driver until my skill level improves or I win one of these.
Love the tech in all these drivers. It'll be longer for sure!
Probably after playing a lot and getting use to the new TSI versions surely the new tech will help your overall stats helping slight mis-strikes so i'd say the new the TSI 3 with a slight ability to dial yourself in would be the way to go. Mark you faded most , have you tried a pressure plate to examine your weight transfer compared to the timing of your swing?
Just back to golf in Victoria, Australia and the TS3 would look great in the bag :-)
The new TSi2-3 might be 2-3 yds longer when compared to TS2-3. There might be very small incremental increase in the new drivers and if you have been properly custom fit for the old TS2-3 the gains might be really small 😅 However in terms of looks I definitely prefer the looks of the TSi3 a lot. It’s looks really beautiful and sleek in my eyes 🤩❤️❤️❤️
I've been through 3 generations of Ping drivers over the past 12 years and nothing is getting longer. I reckon the last 2 clubs have definitely been less leaky though with more shots staying on the fairway despite strikes that weren't perfect.
I’d assume it would be slightly longer as titleist aren’t a brand I usually associate with releasing for the sake of it, unlike some other brands
I tried the Ts 2 years ago but really didn’t get anymore than my xr15. Its not broken so it stays in the bag at this point!
I think it will be roughly the same, maybe a couple of yards further. But probably a bit better dispersion.
Titleist driver line up really strong now. Always produce quality product with big rack appeal and sensible launch schedules
Hmm, so which one should I choose, ts2 or ts3
Good review, ts3 for me the i to much of a premium price and no real gains
Love the look of the ne TSi
TSi3 driver is AMAZING!!!... I didn't think I would like the new sound, but it's actually quite nice, and it feels amazing! I almost feels like you're hitting the ball with a pillow, as werid as that sounds.
Will the new drivers be longer? If you can get them for cheaper, is it worth going for it to save a few bucks?
I don't think it will or if it is it will be minimum like a yard or two. Nice video ⛳