Protip if you like the Punisher, EVERYBODY ON THIS CHANNEL NEEDS TO READ MACK BOLAN THE EXECUTIONER, the first 10 pulp books as it's the series that Jerry Conway tried to mock with the Punisher character.
Do you think there is less corruption and child trafficking on the left? I really doubt it. He would go after criminals that exploit people regardless or politics.
The left wing insanity that hit comics in 2009 got me to walk away and never look back. I’ve raised 3 kids and none have been in a comic shop. I was a weekly Wednesday reader
the comic book industry is pretty much on its back. both Marvel and DC need to stop hiring leftwing activist and get back to universal tales of good and evil that all fans like. as well the characters should look and behave as their creators intended. need a gay or trans hero create a new character and try to get them over with the fans instead of changing beloved characters into something they were never intended to be. Thank God for those Epic and Showcase books.
This video and Mark Millar are spot on. These characters are inherently right wing. This is why so many contemporary novels and films/TV series ultimately fail. Everyone's trying to force "social justice" onto characters driven by a sense of justice. Social justice is a very different beast from justice.
Social justice is about attempting to control people through legal enforcement and frameworks. "Nothing outside the state" is allowed, they believe that all people can be driven by is material desire and conditions and deny the very humanity in man. Hence they detest accountability, dominion of the self and the very core of free will and virtue both. I don't like regular superheroes, because as symbols they are sterilized too much, they aren't human in that they do not show the shadow which is always threatening to tear it's way out but by virtue and divinity the beast inside us all is no longer our for but serves the righteous will of the man aligned the holy, the venerable and to continue the fight against true evil of our lesser animal/hedonistic nature that prevents us from being rational and virtuous.
They managed to ruin the most liberal super heros from Marvel wich were the X-Men... The woke writers are simply to incompetent to to write about even the characters are to what they believe, let alone write about characters lile the Punisher or Captain America.
I don't think the punisher is right wing or left-wing. I think he exists outside of any political leaning. He only exists to kill criminals who hurt innocent people. Trying to align your favorite character with our own political ideals is disingenuous. The punisher is a vigilante with high-level military training. That is it.
I don't care if Punisher is left or right wing, but I agree with Millar that a conservative would get the character better because he wouldn't have any problem letting a revenge fueled character go all out regardless of how it looks.
@@paulakroy2635 Agreed. Louise Simonson, Ann Nocenti, Barbara Kesel, Jo Duffy, EXCELLENT writers all of them - and lovely persons each and every one although that's not relevant here. Ann's run on Daredevil is my favorite take on the character by long, and Jo's portrayal of Frank in Assassin's Guild swipes the floor with every take on him writen by every male writer after Chuck, except for Garth's - and even then I do have some issues with his, but I digress here. I want to stress, these takes of mine are not only as a reader but first and foremost as professional of the field who knows most of the people mentioned. Not trying to incur on a fallacy of authirity, but the contrary - trying to prevent suspicacies about potential biases. I've got none. Ive got peers I love as persons but about whose work I have reasonable objections, and the other way around - my personal story with Warren Ellis is... bumpy, but still ill defend the quality of his work to hell and back and also keep defending him over the cancellation he suffered; he can be an ass sometimes -sorry, Warren- and have strong feelings against and, hence, cheaters, but still its no crime is both parties - in this case, several - are adults in consenting age and there's no express coercion on none's part. But I digress again. The OP might just brush off my tirade with a JJ, but anyway, whatever. Back to work here.
This is no different than Disney censoring Donald Duck cartoons tfor having things they find 'problematic' like 'Duck Pimples', and 'Spare The Rod'. Also, characters like Private American, and Horseman make Snoop Dogg come out, and say 'black people can't possibly be racist'.
The plot for Punishers role in DD: Born Again has already leaked. He’s fighting corrupt cops who took up his mission during his absence…. Incredibly on the nose commentary
If they approach it like the 2nd Dirty Harry movie "Magnum Force" it could work. Cops go rouge and start taking out mobsters but accidentally kill one of their own and try to silence anyone who gets too close to exposing them. But I doubt they will.
Remember people, just because public opinion has had it with lefty garbage writing in mediia we still have a long way to go before the actual media gets the hint. A lot of the upcoming sewage coming out in the near future was made before the people voted right wing.
they understand the charachter enough. they just hate it, because they hate us, his fans. so they rip it apart and defile it in an effort to lash out at us. at this point, i think the feeling is mutual.
I wouldn’t say being Christian is a core part of the Punisher as a character. Not the same way it is for Daredevil for sure. In most runs The Punisher isn’t portrayed as religious. Also, ya it doesn’t make any damn sense for cops to have skull logos from a fictional vigilante who murders people. The police’s purpose is to protect and serve not intimidate with violence. All these things being said I right leaning and pro police. I also don’t like that Marvel has turned their backs on The Punisher because they find him problematic.
The reason police and military adopted the iconic skull logo is because of chris kyle. kyle and his seal team were avid readers of the punisher mr.kyle himself is quoted as saying "the punisher meant so much because he righted wrongs" so they adopted the logo to send a message to the terrorists "hey were here and were gonna fuck with you" soldiers all throughout history have used psychological warfare and have used fear to demoralize their foes take the tribal masks in Africa to the shogun masks in samurai the punisher symbol is undoubtedly a scary image now the reason police use it is much of the same I would assume because alot of police are ex military it probably just stuck as a way to honor America's deadliest sniper just my two cents
Marvel really didn't turn on the character. It's just that there is so much real world gun violence they thought it would be bad P.R. to keep using him. Even though they do keep using him in new video games and such.
Kills me,so many folks are fighting the Christian part of The Punisher. You can be a Christian and not do things like a priest or live perfectly according to the Bible. I'm Christian, I'm also with many failings and sins. I try though. Many Christians have killed (just like every religon). Because your faith describes what you believe, it doesn't excuse you from being an issue loaded human.
Catholic, to be exact. Both of them. Not only christian. They are an Irish-American and Sicilian-American, direct descendants. Those elements are fundamental characterization bits that should never be ignored.
Normally, I would agree with you. I'm a Christian as well, and I fail all the time. However, if the Punisher is a Christian, he is failing to live a Christian life spectacularly. He is repeatedly committing serious sins and feels no need to repent. In terms of a comic book character, I like him, but if he's a Christian, he's a terrible example of one.
The Punisher was one of my favourite comic book characters. I will never forgive Marvel for what they did to him before killing him off. The only good thing was that afterwards, their shitty replacement got cancelled right away and they were forced to use Frank again in the Fury/Punisher comic.
Just like how Alan Moore has been bending over backwards to disavow Rorschach for the past 30 years. Even going so far as to say that "superhero fandom leads to fascism" or some bullshit.
We tabled near to Richard Bonk last year at Hershey Comicon, and I got him to sign both the Private American and new Nexus books. Apparently, he does quite a lot of art for Mike Baron. Meanwhile, I'm going to have to disagree with you, JDA. I don't think superheroes are an "inherently" right-wing concept, nor are they inherently Judeo-Christian. Superheroes are based on mythological heroes, and the values they honor and defend are cultural and sometimes universal. Not just a Jesus or Moses figure (like Superman) but also a pantheon of Germanic gods, Greek gods, Celtic gods, Egyptian gods, Mesopotamian gods, Hindu gods and others. All of that precedes Christianity, so unless you consider polytheism to be right-wing, then super beings are not necessarily based. They're just good solid stories which inspire and entertain. Also, female superheroes (superheroines) can be very sexy, and there's nothing particular right-wing or Christian about that, either.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 Appreciated! As a creator publishing an all-female superhero series with sexy women, which is very influenced by not only 70 years of comics but also mythology, history, science and linguistics, we have done the research and we know what we're talking about. Just watch a few Southeast Asian superheroine productions (Darna, Silverhawk, Valentine, Sri Asih, Saras 007, Naagkanya, Devi, etc) and tell me they're "right-wing"? They're not. More often than not, they're basically just modern goddesses of some sort with mythical powers. Of course, if you consider enforcing law and order to be "right-wing", maybe there's a case, but I think that's flimsy.
Yep. So much so that Ride The Lightning by Metallica should be his soundtrack. Thinking "Fight Fire With Fire" and "Creeping Death" specifically, but the whole album has an Old Testament feel to it.
When he says "inherently Christian". I think he means "having Christian views of right and wrong and good and evil". So even when the character deviates, he/she deviates from what a Christian would consider morally right and that would by a topic worthy of attention, discussion, or debate in the comic. By contrast a character who is not inherently Christian might have some profoundly non-Christian ideal, but it is assumed to morally just within the comic so it gets no discussion or exposition and is mentioned in passing.
Wow, i knew I liked Mark Mallar for reasons other than enjoying Isom 1 and 2. He's not wrong, the left has definitely screwed up Marvel and more specifically The Punisher. Anyone trying to say otherwise is being dishonest to me, as well as themselves.
Like Star Wars, Punisher is another property thats dead to me and which i cannot / will not support ever again or can ever enjoy or care about again. I've thoroughly abandoned it as theyve killed it for me. another in a line of such things I once loved and wasted untold amounts of money on. never again. theyre close to doing the same with many other things for me too.
I feel exactly the same way. The real tragedy is that's what they always intended. That's why they always rip down statues and rewrite or burn history books. And deface art in museums. Have you not noticed the theme? "Let the past go. Kill it if you have to". And then there's that other gem "Imagine what can be, unburdened by what has been". Or Thanos's line from Endgame "As long as there are people who remember what was, they will never embrace what can be". Their ideology only works if you're ignorant to how much better the alternatives are. So, they're constantly trying to destroy and corrupt the better things that came before.
I don't agree in the slightest that the punisher is a right wing character. He is a man willing to get revenge for his family by any means necessary, driven by cold calculating rage. That's what makes him timeless: you don't need to be right wing wing or left wing to understand his motives, they arise from a common sentiment shared by many people. He just turns it up to 11
Garth is overly talented but on the Punisher I would've preferred Pride and Joy's Garth than The Boys' Garth. That said, some individual stories/issues where the former takes the driver's seat for whatever reason are excellent, but most of the time his take is uneven.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 Garths talent is taking someones idea and giving it the Zack Snyder treatment making product unreadable or unwatchable). For example read the comic Marshal Law then read The Boys.
Have characters with different perspectives on the same team... they argue... but have to find ways to work together. I'm not interested in echo-chamber preaching from either the right or the left... just believable characters and good stories... and showing how political ideas cause interpersonal conflict is writing to real life... don't we all have a relative or loved one we hate talking politics with?
@mathewsydney8929 I personally don't want any politics in stories if they don't serve a narrative purpose, but having different opinions make it more organic sounding instead of an echo chamber of a singular ideal.
Imo I think Frank was conservative before his family was murdered. He does have SOME conservative values as The Punisher but he was so out of touch with Christianity that I believe part of his arch is trying to find Jesus again but he never does. He is my favorite marvel character and the street vigilante will always be in my favorite of genres. Loved Private American btw.
@@TheTransam4350 I hear ya but in some stories, I guess depending on how he is depicted he kinda fell away from God, now Solomon Kane that's a different story.
The virtuous traits we often ascribe to the best superheroes like Spiderman, Captain American, or even Superman are based within Judeo-Christian values. So in that sense the very idea of the selfless hero is a conservative idea. I saw a solid video essay by Pilgrims Pass in which he traces the modern concept of the noble, righteous, and selfless heroes that we love in our culture to the prolific Chivalric Romances in the Medieval era, and that is why they are so resonant with audiences and why progressives try (and often fail) so hard to "subvert" and deconstruct them.
@TheTransam4350 i ment the idea of the Punisher is not Christian but it great fiction "vengeance is mine says The Lord" "if a man strike you on one cheek turn to him the other"
I’ve been a EVERY Wednesday customer at the lcs since 2011. If the comics get anymore liberal, woke, or just stupid I’m gonna have to walk away. I’ve really been considering it going into the new year. I spend roughly $500 on comics every month.
Punisher was always written to not want his logo to be used by police. He's a lethal vigilante, not a super hero. He doesn't work with the police. He's not Batman. In Warzone he even accidentally offs a undercover FBI agent. In older comics he's also offed protected informants. He doesn't want people following his footsteps. He wants police to be better than him and do their duty.
It makes sense, you probably should put a more left-leaning writer on Green Arrow, too. Although a good writer can do either without needing to agree with their viewpoint. I don't see how Punisher is necessarily Christian ("Vengeance is MINE saith the Lord") though.
When popular media examines or critiques culture, people consume it happily and society can even benefit from it. When popular media tries to nudge or influence culture, it is repulsive to most.
Absolutely! Mostly. Right, or right leaning writers are best for a character like the Punisher (though I think him being "Christian" is a projection on some people's part -- there's no way he draws anything at all from the NT, but strictly OT, and he clearly cherry picks from the OT what suits his mission. Some writers Right or Right leaning are best suited for some characters, just as imo Left or Left leaning writers are best suited for other characters. A healthy comics' line has comic characters of ALL ideologies. I remember an early '80s DC Batman/Green Arrow team-up where they disagreed on methods and GA called Batman a "Nazi". They had differences to work through. A healthy comic company employs creators of ALL beliefs. Look at comics in the '70s and '80s. Look at the mix of characters. Look at the mix of creators. Look at the adventurous creativity, and high quality. Even the failures during this time were brilliant. About Mike Baron specifically, there was a time back in the late '80s early '90s where there were people in comics further Right than he was, more conservative than he was. There used to be people all over the place politically in comics. It was healthy. Gary Martin was more conservative than Mike Baron was, but they still worked together. And that's what people used to do. And Baron hasn't been afraid to go a little Left on some stories in the past, IF it made for a GOOD story. All Right populated companies are potentially as boring as all Left populated companies. Homogeneity in a creative 'culture' can be a very very bad thing. But -- and this is a big "but" -- it looks to me currently that Right or Right leaning companies are employing artists and writers who know what they're doing having actual proven talent over decades, artists and writers I care about, whose work I know and appreciate, and writers and artists whose credits I want to see on NEW books -- otherwise I'm buying Archives, Omnibus editions, Marvel essentials and DC Showcase volumes for my book shelves that do contain their work. I don't agree with you all the time. Or one hundred percent when I do agree. But I do agree with a little, or a lot, depending on the issue. Mike Baron is one of my favorite writers from back in the day to this day yet (I have all his Nexus comics and bought a high grade of his Punisher #1 for one of my kids for Christmas). He continues to be a consistent high quality comics writer during this time when most comics companies are hiring content creators instead of writers and artists.
@@judesheckelberg5135 True. But there's nothing particularly Christian about his behavior. Nothing really New Testament going on. In his behavior he is full tilt Old Testament. Some parts more, some less. He cherry picks scripture like a lot of people do. He's very human in that way though.
@@paul.9828 I wasn't going by Marvel's online biography for the character but by the actual comics I've read from the '70s onward. He might be considered Christian like a 'culture Christian' but there's no actual Christianity in his actions. What happened to his family turned him from the New Testament to the Old Testament, and even then only the parts that suit him and his mission. Looking to the Punisher as Christian comic book character is bonkers. But there's Nightcrawler and Daredevil of course. Nightcrawler is kind of an achieved/achieving spiritually Christian, well past a lot of the struggle. And in Daredevil we see the struggle still ongoing, a lot of the time, depending on the writer of course. It is most interesting when we get sometimes a well written conflict between DD and Punisher.
Mark Millar has some of the best works I've ever seen. I think my favorite story of his is Batman: sacred terror. I like batman's design and the fact that he actually has christian values and understands the bible.
Honestly, I hope not. Garth Ennis is a bitter edgy atheist who got dumped by a lot of Irish girls and instead of looking inward he wrote violent comics as a form of therapy. That’s why his early works were alright but you can see a sign of his gamma tendencies in Preacher where it’s a female-worshipping romance. It’s also a dig against God (see Jessie getting slapped around by the Lord) his little allegory on “life is unfair and God is mean!” Everything he writes is an ego investment he’s protecting. You won’t see a story about a solipsistic man who still saves the day, no, can’t exist, self-respecting men have to be the villain. Dude got brainwashed in his atheist home and it really shows. If he found the Lord, his writing would have 100% been improved. In a lot of ways he’s similar to Warren Ellis.
Ennis succeeds on shock value. He did Edgeyboy stuff way back when Edgeyboy stuff was still super edgey. Naturally that made all the critics go ga-ga for him, at a time when Critics should still move sales. Objectively, his work is pretty middling when you look past the edgeyboy shock value.
Funny that this video got recommended to me after getting a yt popup telling me I violated harassment rules by saying the ceo unaliver unalived less people than the ceo himself.
@titiadamoita5630 To be fair to Millar (this time) this was apparently something he said as a joke and even he was shocked when some executives seriously contemplated it.
The punisher is not ring wing or christian. Hes not left wing or atheist either. Hes a gifted killer who has lost everything a man can hope not to lose, and is left with only one thing to live for before he goes in the ground himself. People really need to stop projecting on him and just take him as he is.
As a fellow Brit, I’m actually disappointed in Millar. He’s obviously drunk the American Kool Aid. By & large, we in this country 🇬🇧 don’t make who we vote for our identity. We’re grown-up enough to not look at half the country is “evil” & “wrong”, coz they voted differently. Is your side of the isle always right? You Americans treat politics the same way we do football teams. Even going so far as to attack each other over it.
No I don't think that superheroes are inherently right wing. I think they're on more of a spectrum going from classical liberal to conservative. What I think they are inherently is Christian and most are more Protestant Christians and some Catholics. In other words they are inherently Western Christian characters. That being said the political groups mentioned above would all be considered conservatives today but I just wanted to be as clear as possible.
I don't think the writer politics are the most important thing for the write to have may they be left or right in politics they can still write bad stories or even mediocre stories the most important thing is them actually being able to write good stories .i see today's comics landscape indie and mainstream and I see alot of punisher copies none bearing Frank's depth as a character when written well.I understand alot of fans have been disappointed by the writing of morden punisher but supporting mildly passable copies of him disguised as characters ain't the way to fill that void of good punisher stories but in the end of the day each fan can spend their money however they like.
I don't know if Heroism can be labed as "inherently right wing concept", because the "right wing" can shift depending on the the time and place you observe it. Heroism to me speaks about self sacrifice, the pursuit of justice, and upholding moral standards beyond what one would consider normal. That's why we have the subgenres of dark and anti heroes, were "justice" is achieved in less moral and ethical ways. The Punisher would be a good example, actually. But it is worthy to analyse what the current American left and right would consider heroism. To the left it's combating social inequality and personal prejudice. Their heroes are the revolutionaries who take down corpos... and establish other corpos that will enact those leveling actions across society. To the right wing, it's much more personal. You have a bad person committing crime, and the hero captures them, simple as. With the Punisher, Frank Castle acts violently in retaliation for violent crimes that went unnoticed by the justice system. He doesn't kill anyone at random, he goes after the criminals that escape through bureaucracy loopholes, the crime lords who have money and influence to avoid the law. It's much more personal. Another example would be the case for the X-men. Now they're used as a soap box to speak on behalf of minorities in America, nevermind the fact there are mutants all across the globe. Their theme is mutants vs humans as classes, and the mutant struggle is to be accepted for who they are. From this perspective, being a hero is pretty much a "task" they have to accomplish to prove they're good. Not exactly the theme from the originals. On the opposite side we have Spider-Man! His entire hero motivation is a personal moral quandry. With great power must also come great responsibility, and this is the core of the character, the thing that impels his selfless acts of heroism. It's a much more individualist presentation, and speaks more to you if you have more individualist values. The conversation gets more complex when you introduce the conservative/progressive axis, but that aside, I would agree that the most successful characters of superhero comics, when they were at their peak, are much more right wing by today's standards.
You wrote a really good analysis here. The idea that people of [the opposite] political party don't understand heroism or value justice is so ridiculous. That it looks different across the spectrum is simple but profound.
Bingo: denying life-saving healthcare to a child because of profit can be framed as a 'right wing.' Defrauding a corrupt healthcare system to save that child's life can also be framed as a 'right wing.' ...here's a plot thread: right-leaning and left-leaning heroes find common cause against a private equity firm run by BBEG.
When an edge lord atheist who thinks saying "Fook" a hundred times is top tier writing says "you guys are scaring away all the customers " maybe you've gone top far.
The punisher is not a Christian character. He is a military character who kills criminals because the police are incompetent. There is nothing Christian about vigilantism. As an atheist, I love the punisher. I think the work he does is needed. But I don't think anything he does can be described as Christian. The irony of police officers sporting punisher skulls is that the whole reason that the punisher exists is because the police can't effectively catch criminals. The punisher is great because he uses his military training to fight a war against the criminal underworld. All his methodologies are military based. He plans, he strategizes, and he eliminates his targets without hesitation.
I know right. Dudes be wanting to associate Christianity with anything... Even if it's an ill guy who is a vigilante crusade. I dunno if that's very christian.
"Popular" and "Best" are not the same thing. Ennis succeeds on shock value. He did Edgeyboy stuff at a time when Edgeyboy stuff was still super edgey. Naturally that made all the critics go ga-ga for him, at a time when Critics should still move sales. Objectively, his work is pretty middling when you look past the edgeyboy shock value.
Like Terminator. Or Bloodsport. Or Expendables. Or Blade. Or Goldeneye. Or The Bourne Identity. tf are you talking about? Like, three Clint Eastwood movies and Rambo?
@@willchurch8376 Try adding a string of Bronson films then and Neeson films now and countless other revenge films to your expediently narrow list. It really is as if you people simply cannot engage honestly. You are the most dishonest people on the planet because you care more about your sustaining your frankly puerile and reductive politicking than you even do the truth.
Frank Castle's crusade against crime is comparable to a Christian fanatic perhaps, but as a mass murderer he is not in any way a true follower of Christ, unless seeking repentance for his sins
Some people these days mistake vigilantism for 'Christian' values. What they really mean is that they like guns, they fantasize about shooting ppl who make them angry, and they hate gays b/c their Sunday school teacher told them being gay is a sin. This describes A LOT of Americans who *identify* as Christian... but who don't yet know Christ.
From Marvel's online biography for the character: "Born in Queens, New York to Sicilian immigrant parents, Frank Castiglione-later Castle-was on a path to priesthood and piety. Disillusioned by the amount of evil he bore witness to in the world, he left the seminary with the acceptance that there could be no forgiveness without punishment. Determined to make his mark on the world, he joined the U.S. Marines and Navy Seals."
It seems he was fairly religious in the traditional sense. Until his family was slaughtered before his eyes. I can still remember reading Marvel Super Action as a kid and being blown away by it. Kind of like the first time I read 2000 Ad 1978 Annual and discovered Judge Dredd.
How is the Punisher a Christian hero? I don't think a man that does what he does believes in a higher power, and one of his most famous lines is "sometimes I'd like to get my hands on God.".
He's not only a Christian hero, he's a Catholic of direct Sicilian descent who was on his way to be ordered as Priest, then dropped off last minute and enrolled the army. And yes, he believes in a higher power. When he was written as saying the lines you quote, it incidentally makes him - inadvertently, I reckon, on the writer's part - into a hell of a bad mother, because he actually believes God exists, so in his statement, regardless of its material improbability, is very much literal in the feeling he expresses.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 That was all before he became the Punisher, and he didn't even end up following that route. It also changes depending on who's writing the origin. You are reading way too much into something that was meant to be a badass line, and you have no idea what Garth's intentions were. I don't believe in God, but I'll reference him sometimes in a conversation, based on your logic I believe in God and acknowledges that he exists, which isn't the case. This reminds me of the gay community. They always try to claim certain characters and argue that they were always a certain way. This is the same thing, there is not enough evidence to back this up, and why would you even want to claim a mass murderer as a Christian anyway. I love frank, but he's a psychotic mass murderer, and a husk of a human being.
I think the Punisher, might be more of a Conservative and Objectivist person type. I guess. My quick reaction: 🎶Hey, it's Franklin!🎶. I think about the cartoon named Franklin. My song about Frank Castle, The Punisher.: th-cam.com/video/wZIcUjIOAD8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=505nEcLLzQ18JmMb Just a parody I have been thinking of.
I was never attracted to the Punisher comics, they always seemed really dull to me as a kid, especially in contrast to Spiderman, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. What is a good Punisher Comic run? I am not sure if the character will be to my tastes, but I’d like to give him the best shot that I can.
Whether you like disney or not they are going for a kid friendly vibe with marvel at this point, hence the reason we have not received any r rated theatrical releases for these characters. Its unfortunate, i am very left leaning and think the punisher is a great character, but i also think its concerning to see policeman aspire to be a vigilante that takes the law into their own hands like the punisher rather than upholding the law like a police officer is supposed to. Not sure where youre getting the christianity thing about punisher from though. Also, im sorry but captain america is not a republican. In the early 80s he was advocating for criminal reformation, discussing corrupt millionaires who were burning buildings down to bring the value of the land down so they could buy it cheaper. In the 90s after heroes return, steve rogers actively campaigns for a left leaning political figure not as captain america but as steve Rogers (he still had his secret identity at this point). Just because you love your country or believe in the american dream does not mean that you are a republican. Decades of captain america comics are going to refute the statement that he is right leaning, and john walker was specifically invented to be a right leaning captain america. I love john walker too but steve is not and was not a Republican in any of the mainstream comics.
@@Rengokuo4o6 He was before his family died. Forgiveness is a cornerstone of that faith and Castle has none of that. The guy’s too nihilistic for religion.
@Aaron-zt5ee He still believes in God. Hell, he's been a literal Angel of Death at a point (horrible idea and writing but it's canon) so he not only believes in God, he KNOWS for a fact he exists.
@ therr plenty of anti-hero superheroes: Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Batman in certain portrayals, etc. An anti-hero means a character that is flawed and morally gray but still acts as a heroic figure.
Um no. Frank is not an inherently Christian character. Christianity is grounded in the belief of love, and forgiveness. Look at Paul for further proof of those principles. I love the Punisher and Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron but no not a Christian Character. He would be Old Testament for sure, but that would not make him Christian.
@@TheBioBoy Catholics are pagans not Christians. They worship and pray to Mary and they pray to Saints. I was raised Catholic and renounced the blasphemy of the Catholic Church when I was 32.
OK right wing I can understand the punisher being, but Christian? Did you forget the part of the Bible, where God says “vengeance is mine and mine alone “ ?
A few quick corrections to the many lies you told: - Jason Aaron never turned Doctor Strange into a woman. - Captain America is a fictional character, but if he were real he DEFINITELY would not be a conservative. - The MAGA bros who slap the Punisher logos all over their 4x4s are not Punisher fans; they don't even know who he is. Your worship of Mark Millar is so weird because he writes books that you would hate if you actually read them. The Ambassadors was a multinational, multicultural team book; there wasn't even a white American male in the book until the very last issue. Night Club was about three hispanic kids who were turned into vampires. Prodigy is about a black man who is the smartest man in the world. Big Game was a pretty decent story where the bad guys won until the whole thing was undone by simple time travel, something you would hate if Marvel or DC did it. He has a deal with Netflix to turn his books into shows which you would hate if Marvel or DC writers did. Mark Millar has done everything you cry about Marvel and DC writers doing yet you kiss his feet at every opportunity. It's bizarre.
@@bumpkinstv6722 you carry on like your correct but your arguing on what the real life values of a fictional character would be if they were real. Lol.
@@theragoooverlord5021 Your hypocrisy is causing a stench that stinks to high heaven. The OP was also arguing the real life values of a fictional character.
I’ve seen people say “punisher would lean left”
No you can’t say someone’s gonna side with you because you like him.
Protip if you like the Punisher, EVERYBODY ON THIS CHANNEL NEEDS TO READ MACK BOLAN THE EXECUTIONER, the first 10 pulp books as it's the series that Jerry Conway tried to mock with the Punisher character.
Do you think there is less corruption and child trafficking on the left? I really doubt it. He would go after criminals that exploit people regardless or politics.
If anything, Castle is apolitical.
If the Punisher was a liberal he wouldn’t be fighting criminals he would aid and abetted them
Those people also put their pronouns in their bios. Their opinions should be openly mocked.
The left wing insanity that hit comics in 2009 got me to walk away and never look back. I’ve raised 3 kids and none have been in a comic shop. I was a weekly Wednesday reader
I did the same thing, now all I buy is the occasional pre-2000’s back issue. I hate that comics seem to have turned into far left propaganda.
Me too. My kids have been to a shop once.
@@Junk_World_Templar Google Getcomics you will not have to pay a subscription to Marvel
Manga only in this household.
the comic book industry is pretty much on its back. both Marvel and DC need to stop hiring leftwing activist and get back to universal tales of good and evil that all fans like. as well the characters should look and behave as their creators intended. need a gay or trans hero create a new character and try to get them over with the fans instead of changing beloved characters into something they were never intended to be. Thank God for those Epic and Showcase books.
This video and Mark Millar are spot on. These characters are inherently right wing. This is why so many contemporary novels and films/TV series ultimately fail. Everyone's trying to force "social justice" onto characters driven by a sense of justice. Social justice is a very different beast from justice.
Social justice is about attempting to control people through legal enforcement and frameworks.
"Nothing outside the state" is allowed, they believe that all people can be driven by is material desire and conditions and deny the very humanity in man.
Hence they detest accountability, dominion of the self and the very core of free will and virtue both.
I don't like regular superheroes, because as symbols they are sterilized too much, they aren't human in that they do not show the shadow which is always threatening to tear it's way out but by virtue and divinity the beast inside us all is no longer our for but serves the righteous will of the man aligned the holy, the venerable and to continue the fight against true evil of our lesser animal/hedonistic nature that prevents us from being rational and virtuous.
They managed to ruin the most liberal super heros from Marvel wich were the X-Men...
The woke writers are simply to incompetent to to write about even the characters are to what they believe, let alone write about characters lile the Punisher or Captain America.
I don't think the punisher is right wing or left-wing. I think he exists outside of any political leaning. He only exists to kill criminals who hurt innocent people. Trying to align your favorite character with our own political ideals is disingenuous. The punisher is a vigilante with high-level military training. That is it.
I don't care if Punisher is left or right wing, but I agree with Millar that a conservative would get the character better because he wouldn't have any problem letting a revenge fueled character go all out regardless of how it looks.
Not just conservative. But MALE conservative straight writers.
That’s sexist bullshit.
@@paulakroy2635 😝
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Agreed. Louise Simonson, Ann Nocenti, Barbara Kesel, Jo Duffy, EXCELLENT writers all of them - and lovely persons each and every one although that's not relevant here. Ann's run on Daredevil is my favorite take on the character by long, and Jo's portrayal of Frank in Assassin's Guild swipes the floor with every take on him writen by every male writer after Chuck, except for Garth's - and even then I do have some issues with his, but I digress here.
I want to stress, these takes of mine are not only as a reader but first and foremost as professional of the field who knows most of the people mentioned. Not trying to incur on a fallacy of authirity, but the contrary - trying to prevent suspicacies about potential biases. I've got none. Ive got peers I love as persons but about whose work I have reasonable objections, and the other way around - my personal story with Warren Ellis is... bumpy, but still ill defend the quality of his work to hell and back and also keep defending him over the cancellation he suffered; he can be an ass sometimes -sorry, Warren- and have strong feelings against and, hence, cheaters, but still its no crime is both parties - in this case, several - are adults in consenting age and there's no express coercion on none's part. But I digress again. The OP might just brush off my tirade with a JJ, but anyway, whatever. Back to work here.
I'm with u , sorry folks
Stop simping for women who are repulsed by you.@@paulakroy2635
you punish them by not buying their garbage.
This is no different than Disney censoring Donald Duck cartoons tfor having things they find 'problematic' like 'Duck Pimples', and 'Spare The Rod'. Also, characters like Private American, and Horseman make Snoop Dogg come out, and say 'black people can't possibly be racist'.
Snoop is one of the biggest racists on the planet. He HATES whitey! I love when millionaire celebrities complain about how oppressed they are.
Can't say that I like all of Mark Millar's work, but he's spot on here. Respect.
No left wing writers just lgbtq story lines.
The plot for Punishers role in DD: Born Again has already leaked. He’s fighting corrupt cops who took up his mission during his absence…. Incredibly on the nose commentary
Of course they had to subvert him. No hope left for this series.
@@thibaldus3 I thought they did an injustice to the character having him at a support group in the tv series.
@@davidknight2423 Honestly I didn't like his show. Frank Castle just didn't feel like the punisher for me there. He was awesome in DD tho.
If they approach it like the 2nd Dirty Harry movie "Magnum Force" it could work. Cops go rouge and start taking out mobsters but accidentally kill one of their own and try to silence anyone who gets too close to exposing them. But I doubt they will.
Remember people, just because public opinion has had it with lefty garbage writing in mediia we still have a long way to go before the actual media gets the hint. A lot of the upcoming sewage coming out in the near future was made before the people voted right wing.
never forget they cancelled the best punisher comic where he was gonna fight Barracuda who would of existed in the earth 616 universe
What comic was it?
@@megatron8490 punisher vs barracuda
It's because of what they done to Punisher is the reason why I don't do "Marvel" anything, any more.
they understand the charachter enough. they just hate it, because they hate us, his fans. so they rip it apart and defile it in an effort to lash out at us. at this point, i think the feeling is mutual.
I wouldn’t say being Christian is a core part of the Punisher as a character. Not the same way it is for Daredevil for sure. In most runs The Punisher isn’t portrayed as religious. Also, ya it doesn’t make any damn sense for cops to have skull logos from a fictional vigilante who murders people. The police’s purpose is to protect and serve not intimidate with violence. All these things being said I right leaning and pro police. I also don’t like that Marvel has turned their backs on The Punisher because they find him problematic.
Well said. I also find it odd that they try changing his skull image to something that looks more occult like.
The reason police and military adopted the iconic skull logo is because of chris kyle. kyle and his seal team were avid readers of the punisher mr.kyle himself is quoted as saying "the punisher meant so much because he righted wrongs" so they adopted the logo to send a message to the terrorists "hey were here and were gonna fuck with you" soldiers all throughout history have used psychological warfare and have used fear to demoralize their foes take the tribal masks in Africa to the shogun masks in samurai the punisher symbol is undoubtedly a scary image now the reason police use it is much of the same I would assume because alot of police are ex military it probably just stuck as a way to honor America's deadliest sniper just my two cents
@@davidknight2423 they changed it because it's the logo for the ninja cult he was leading at the time
Marvel really didn't turn on the character. It's just that there is so much real world gun violence they thought it would be bad P.R. to keep using him. Even though they do keep using him in new video games and such.
The punisher skull makes more sense when dealing with people like pdf files, murderers, rappists etc
Kills me,so many folks are fighting the Christian part of The Punisher. You can be a Christian and not do things like a priest or live perfectly according to the Bible. I'm Christian, I'm also with many failings and sins. I try though. Many Christians have killed (just like every religon). Because your faith describes what you believe, it doesn't excuse you from being an issue loaded human.
Same here, I'm Christian and Punisher and Daredevil have always been my favorite characters.
Catholic, to be exact. Both of them. Not only christian. They are an Irish-American and Sicilian-American, direct descendants. Those elements are fundamental characterization bits that should never be ignored.
Normally, I would agree with you. I'm a Christian as well, and I fail all the time. However, if the Punisher is a Christian, he is failing to live a Christian life spectacularly. He is repeatedly committing serious sins and feels no need to repent. In terms of a comic book character, I like him, but if he's a Christian, he's a terrible example of one.
The Punisher was one of my favourite comic book characters. I will never forgive Marvel for what they did to him before killing him off. The only good thing was that afterwards, their shitty replacement got cancelled right away and they were forced to use Frank again in the Fury/Punisher comic.
That’s the only Marvel series that I ever followed issue for issue each month. It was okay, but clearly not the best MAX story
Just like how Alan Moore has been bending over backwards to disavow Rorschach for the past 30 years. Even going so far as to say that "superhero fandom leads to fascism" or some bullshit.
I recently saw an interesting video here on TH-cam that classed superhero comics as an extension of the romantic knight genre. Seems very fitting.
Let's not forget that Aaron also killed off Frank Castle in his crap PunisherMAX run.
Millar is ON FIRE right now. I’m pretty much buying everything with his name on it lol.
Glad to see your numbers increasing! Keep telling the truth.
We tabled near to Richard Bonk last year at Hershey Comicon, and I got him to sign both the Private American and new Nexus books. Apparently, he does quite a lot of art for Mike Baron.
Meanwhile, I'm going to have to disagree with you, JDA. I don't think superheroes are an "inherently" right-wing concept, nor are they inherently Judeo-Christian. Superheroes are based on mythological heroes, and the values they honor and defend are cultural and sometimes universal. Not just a Jesus or Moses figure (like Superman) but also a pantheon of Germanic gods, Greek gods, Celtic gods, Egyptian gods, Mesopotamian gods, Hindu gods and others. All of that precedes Christianity, so unless you consider polytheism to be right-wing, then super beings are not necessarily based. They're just good solid stories which inspire and entertain. Also, female superheroes (superheroines) can be very sexy, and there's nothing particular right-wing or Christian about that, either.
So on point on some many levels. Thank you.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 Appreciated! As a creator publishing an all-female superhero series with sexy women, which is very influenced by not only 70 years of comics but also mythology, history, science and linguistics, we have done the research and we know what we're talking about. Just watch a few Southeast Asian superheroine productions (Darna, Silverhawk, Valentine, Sri Asih, Saras 007, Naagkanya, Devi, etc) and tell me they're "right-wing"? They're not. More often than not, they're basically just modern goddesses of some sort with mythical powers. Of course, if you consider enforcing law and order to be "right-wing", maybe there's a case, but I think that's flimsy.
"Nothing right wing about female heros being sexy" - are you sure about that? Try finding a sexy female from the Left.
Punisher isn’t inherently Christian or religious in his best books. He’s Old Testament if anything… “Judge, Jury, Executioner!”
Yep. So much so that Ride The Lightning by Metallica should be his soundtrack. Thinking "Fight Fire With Fire" and "Creeping Death" specifically, but the whole album has an Old Testament feel to it.
I don’t know if I agree that The Punisher is a Christian character.
Frank Castle is not known for forgiveness.
Daredevil, Nightcrawler, Blade sure.
Punisher is catholic the fire and brimstone type so that makes sense to me
It's not mentioned in this video, but Frank did study to be a priest but became a soldier instead.
When he says "inherently Christian". I think he means "having Christian views of right and wrong and good and evil". So even when the character deviates, he/she deviates from what a Christian would consider morally right and that would by a topic worthy of attention, discussion, or debate in the comic. By contrast a character who is not inherently Christian might have some profoundly non-Christian ideal, but it is assumed to morally just within the comic so it gets no discussion or exposition and is mentioned in passing.
@@magiccustoms5205 Catholicism is not Christianity. It's Paganism
@ yeah, I guess you’re right.
Wow, i knew I liked Mark Mallar for reasons other than enjoying Isom 1 and 2. He's not wrong, the left has definitely screwed up Marvel and more specifically The Punisher. Anyone trying to say otherwise is being dishonest to me, as well as themselves.
Like Star Wars, Punisher is another property thats dead to me and which i cannot / will not support ever again or can ever enjoy or care about again. I've thoroughly abandoned it as theyve killed it for me. another in a line of such things I once loved and wasted untold amounts of money on. never again. theyre close to doing the same with many other things for me too.
I feel exactly the same way. The real tragedy is that's what they always intended. That's why they always rip down statues and rewrite or burn history books. And deface art in museums. Have you not noticed the theme? "Let the past go. Kill it if you have to". And then there's that other gem "Imagine what can be, unburdened by what has been". Or Thanos's line from Endgame "As long as there are people who remember what was, they will never embrace what can be". Their ideology only works if you're ignorant to how much better the alternatives are. So, they're constantly trying to destroy and corrupt the better things that came before.
Oh and then there was that REALLY blunt quote from Oprah: "They just have to die"
HEAR HEAR mate. I sold all my punisher stuff except Ennis’ MAX
@@TheCrimsonRevengerVery well said
Have you read Get Fury yet?
I feel stupid over that one comment I made, but yeah, the Punisher would be very Conservative and shouldn't have their views changed.
The Punisher aka Frank Castiglione/Castle is Roman Catholic but More like the Angel of Death.
I don't agree in the slightest that the punisher is a right wing character. He is a man willing to get revenge for his family by any means necessary, driven by cold calculating rage. That's what makes him timeless: you don't need to be right wing wing or left wing to understand his motives, they arise from a common sentiment shared by many people. He just turns it up to 11
I'm a huge Punisher fan and prefer the 80s and 90s era over the Garth Ennis stuff
The Ennis stuff is just juvenile dogcrap
Garth is overly talented but on the Punisher I would've preferred Pride and Joy's Garth than The Boys' Garth. That said, some individual stories/issues where the former takes the driver's seat for whatever reason are excellent, but most of the time his take is uneven.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 Garths talent is taking someones idea and giving it the Zack Snyder treatment making product unreadable or unwatchable). For example read the comic Marshal Law then read The Boys.
Regarding the punisher. Man that’s tragic what they done to him. I’m so happy I left comics many years ago.
It should be balanced. With both sides represented.
Have characters with different perspectives on the same team... they argue... but have to find ways to work together. I'm not interested in echo-chamber preaching from either the right or the left... just believable characters and good stories... and showing how political ideas cause interpersonal conflict is writing to real life... don't we all have a relative or loved one we hate talking politics with?
@mathewsydney8929 I personally don't want any politics in stories if they don't serve a narrative purpose, but having different opinions make it more organic sounding instead of an echo chamber of a singular ideal.
I love Mark Millar's works. Especially Kick-Ass, Wanted, and Huck. Sometimes, he can write one of the bad comics.
Imo I think Frank was conservative before his family was murdered. He does have SOME conservative values as The Punisher but he was so out of touch with Christianity that I believe part of his arch is trying to find Jesus again but he never does. He is my favorite marvel character and the street vigilante will always be in my favorite of genres. Loved Private American btw.
Kind of like the prodigal son, without the return? That's deep. I like that idea.
@@davidknight2423 yessir one of the main gothic tropes as well.
He feels he is damned but still believes and is Christian. He feels he is doing what is necessary to protect the innocent even if id damns himself.
@@TheTransam4350 I hear ya but in some stories, I guess depending on how he is depicted he kinda fell away from God, now Solomon Kane that's a different story.
The virtuous traits we often ascribe to the best superheroes like Spiderman, Captain American, or even Superman are based within Judeo-Christian values. So in that sense the very idea of the selfless hero is a conservative idea.
I saw a solid video essay by Pilgrims Pass in which he traces the modern concept of the noble, righteous, and selfless heroes that we love in our culture to the prolific Chivalric Romances in the Medieval era, and that is why they are so resonant with audiences and why progressives try (and often fail) so hard to "subvert" and deconstruct them.
There are no "judeo-christian" values only Christian values
No the Punisher is not a Christian idea but is right wing, Captain America is a Christian character and Right Wing.
...what values of Captain America make you think he's right wing? Frank doesn't care about politics. He is an equal opportunity killer.
The Punisher is Christian, he is Italian American Catholic.
@TheTransam4350 i ment the idea of the Punisher is not Christian but it great fiction "vengeance is mine says The Lord" "if a man strike you on one cheek turn to him the other"
Great rant! Thanks.
I’ve been a EVERY Wednesday customer at the lcs since 2011. If the comics get anymore liberal, woke, or just stupid I’m gonna have to walk away. I’ve really been considering it going into the new year. I spend roughly $500 on comics every month.
I didn't use to be this way, because the left wasn't bat-sh*t insane.
Punisher was always written to not want his logo to be used by police. He's a lethal vigilante, not a super hero. He doesn't work with the police. He's not Batman. In Warzone he even accidentally offs a undercover FBI agent. In older comics he's also offed protected informants. He doesn't want people following his footsteps. He wants police to be better than him and do their duty.
It makes sense, you probably should put a more left-leaning writer on Green Arrow, too. Although a good writer can do either without needing to agree with their viewpoint. I don't see how Punisher is necessarily Christian ("Vengeance is MINE saith the Lord") though.
When popular media examines or critiques culture, people consume it happily and society can even benefit from it. When popular media tries to nudge or influence culture, it is repulsive to most.
Absolutely! Mostly. Right, or right leaning writers are best for a character like the Punisher (though I think him being "Christian" is a projection on some people's part -- there's no way he draws anything at all from the NT, but strictly OT, and he clearly cherry picks from the OT what suits his mission. Some writers Right or Right leaning are best suited for some characters, just as imo Left or Left leaning writers are best suited for other characters. A healthy comics' line has comic characters of ALL ideologies. I remember an early '80s DC Batman/Green Arrow team-up where they disagreed on methods and GA called Batman a "Nazi". They had differences to work through. A healthy comic company employs creators of ALL beliefs. Look at comics in the '70s and '80s. Look at the mix of characters. Look at the mix of creators. Look at the adventurous creativity, and high quality. Even the failures during this time were brilliant.
About Mike Baron specifically, there was a time back in the late '80s early '90s where there were people in comics further Right than he was, more conservative than he was. There used to be people all over the place politically in comics. It was healthy. Gary Martin was more conservative than Mike Baron was, but they still worked together. And that's what people used to do. And Baron hasn't been afraid to go a little Left on some stories in the past, IF it made for a GOOD story.
All Right populated companies are potentially as boring as all Left populated companies. Homogeneity in a creative 'culture' can be a very very bad thing. But -- and this is a big "but" -- it looks to me currently that Right or Right leaning companies are employing artists and writers who know what they're doing having actual proven talent over decades, artists and writers I care about, whose work I know and appreciate, and writers and artists whose credits I want to see on NEW books -- otherwise I'm buying Archives, Omnibus editions, Marvel essentials and DC Showcase volumes for my book shelves that do contain their work.
I don't agree with you all the time. Or one hundred percent when I do agree. But I do agree with a little, or a lot, depending on the issue. Mike Baron is one of my favorite writers from back in the day to this day yet (I have all his Nexus comics and bought a high grade of his Punisher #1 for one of my kids for Christmas). He continues to be a consistent high quality comics writer during this time when most comics companies are hiring content creators instead of writers and artists.
Frank Castle was Catholic in the comics, and even in seminary school for a time...
This is referenced by Marvel's online biography for the character.
oh no punisher is a christian
only he has absolutely no reason to pray
@@judesheckelberg5135 True. But there's nothing particularly Christian about his behavior. Nothing really New Testament going on. In his behavior he is full tilt Old Testament. Some parts more, some less. He cherry picks scripture like a lot of people do. He's very human in that way though.
@@paul.9828 I wasn't going by Marvel's online biography for the character but by the actual comics I've read from the '70s onward. He might be considered Christian like a 'culture Christian' but there's no actual Christianity in his actions. What happened to his family turned him from the New Testament to the Old Testament, and even then only the parts that suit him and his mission. Looking to the Punisher as Christian comic book character is bonkers. But there's Nightcrawler and Daredevil of course. Nightcrawler is kind of an achieved/achieving spiritually Christian, well past a lot of the struggle. And in Daredevil we see the struggle still ongoing, a lot of the time, depending on the writer of course. It is most interesting when we get sometimes a well written conflict between DD and Punisher.
Mark Millar has some of the best works I've ever seen. I think my favorite story of his is Batman: sacred terror. I like batman's design and the fact that he actually has christian values and understands the bible.
Let's see how long that would last.
Garth Ennis is conservative?
Exactly! Maybe he's the exception that proves the rule, but Ennis is a flaming liberal
Nope but he definitely didn’t right the Punisher as leftist.
Honestly, I hope not. Garth Ennis is a bitter edgy atheist who got dumped by a lot of Irish girls and instead of looking inward he wrote violent comics as a form of therapy. That’s why his early works were alright but you can see a sign of his gamma tendencies in Preacher where it’s a female-worshipping romance. It’s also a dig against God (see Jessie getting slapped around by the Lord) his little allegory on “life is unfair and God is mean!”
Everything he writes is an ego investment he’s protecting. You won’t see a story about a solipsistic man who still saves the day, no, can’t exist, self-respecting men have to be the villain. Dude got brainwashed in his atheist home and it really shows. If he found the Lord, his writing would have 100% been improved. In a lot of ways he’s similar to Warren Ellis.
@@AmericanDragon76 He wrote the Punisher as a merciless psychopath. Is that conservative to you?
Ennis succeeds on shock value. He did Edgeyboy stuff way back when Edgeyboy stuff was still super edgey. Naturally that made all the critics go ga-ga for him, at a time when Critics should still move sales. Objectively, his work is pretty middling when you look past the edgeyboy shock value.
Funny that this video got recommended to me after getting a yt popup telling me I violated harassment rules by saying the ceo unaliver unalived less people than the ceo himself.
Nailed it sir
Look at Dicto's influence on Spider-Man.
is there a hub or brand that i can trust for good comics these days?
Isn't that the guy who wanted to write a whole comic about Wonder Woman being Graped? No, thank you!
@titiadamoita5630 To be fair to Millar (this time) this was apparently something he said as a joke and even he was shocked when some executives seriously contemplated it.
The punisher is not ring wing or christian. Hes not left wing or atheist either. Hes a gifted killer who has lost everything a man can hope not to lose, and is left with only one thing to live for before he goes in the ground himself.
People really need to stop projecting on him and just take him as he is.
I'd say actual christian characters are Spider-man, Daredevil, Captain America, etc. but not really Punisher.
I wish they'd just sell punisher to image
As a fellow Brit, I’m actually disappointed in Millar. He’s obviously drunk the American Kool Aid.
By & large, we in this country 🇬🇧 don’t make who we vote for our identity. We’re grown-up enough to not look at half the country is “evil” & “wrong”, coz they voted differently. Is your side of the isle always right? You Americans treat politics the same way we do football teams. Even going so far as to attack each other over it.
You say this yet people go to jail over memes said and posted in a group chat
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I wasn’t talking about that. Totally off topic
No I don't think that superheroes are inherently right wing. I think they're on more of a spectrum going from classical liberal to conservative. What I think they are inherently is Christian and most are more Protestant Christians and some Catholics. In other words they are inherently Western Christian characters. That being said the political groups mentioned above would all be considered conservatives today but I just wanted to be as clear as possible.
I don't think the writer politics are the most important thing for the write to have may they be left or right in politics they can still write bad stories or even mediocre stories the most important thing is them actually being able to write good stories .i see today's comics landscape indie and mainstream and I see alot of punisher copies none bearing Frank's depth as a character when written well.I understand alot of fans have been disappointed by the writing of morden punisher but supporting mildly passable copies of him disguised as characters ain't the way to fill that void of good punisher stories but in the end of the day each fan can spend their money however they like.
I don't know if Heroism can be labed as "inherently right wing concept", because the "right wing" can shift depending on the the time and place you observe it. Heroism to me speaks about self sacrifice, the pursuit of justice, and upholding moral standards beyond what one would consider normal. That's why we have the subgenres of dark and anti heroes, were "justice" is achieved in less moral and ethical ways. The Punisher would be a good example, actually.
But it is worthy to analyse what the current American left and right would consider heroism. To the left it's combating social inequality and personal prejudice. Their heroes are the revolutionaries who take down corpos... and establish other corpos that will enact those leveling actions across society. To the right wing, it's much more personal. You have a bad person committing crime, and the hero captures them, simple as. With the Punisher, Frank Castle acts violently in retaliation for violent crimes that went unnoticed by the justice system. He doesn't kill anyone at random, he goes after the criminals that escape through bureaucracy loopholes, the crime lords who have money and influence to avoid the law. It's much more personal.
Another example would be the case for the X-men. Now they're used as a soap box to speak on behalf of minorities in America, nevermind the fact there are mutants all across the globe. Their theme is mutants vs humans as classes, and the mutant struggle is to be accepted for who they are. From this perspective, being a hero is pretty much a "task" they have to accomplish to prove they're good. Not exactly the theme from the originals. On the opposite side we have Spider-Man! His entire hero motivation is a personal moral quandry. With great power must also come great responsibility, and this is the core of the character, the thing that impels his selfless acts of heroism. It's a much more individualist presentation, and speaks more to you if you have more individualist values.
The conversation gets more complex when you introduce the conservative/progressive axis, but that aside, I would agree that the most successful characters of superhero comics, when they were at their peak, are much more right wing by today's standards.
You wrote a really good analysis here. The idea that people of [the opposite] political party don't understand heroism or value justice is so ridiculous. That it looks different across the spectrum is simple but profound.
Bingo: denying life-saving healthcare to a child because of profit can be framed as a 'right wing.' Defrauding a corrupt healthcare system to save that child's life can also be framed as a 'right wing.' ...here's a plot thread: right-leaning and left-leaning heroes find common cause against a private equity firm run by BBEG.
What’s mark millar TH-cam channel?
When an edge lord atheist who thinks saying "Fook" a hundred times is top tier writing says "you guys are scaring away all the customers " maybe you've gone top far.
The punisher is not a Christian character. He is a military character who kills criminals because the police are incompetent. There is nothing Christian about vigilantism. As an atheist, I love the punisher. I think the work he does is needed. But I don't think anything he does can be described as Christian.
The irony of police officers sporting punisher skulls is that the whole reason that the punisher exists is because the police can't effectively catch criminals.
The punisher is great because he uses his military training to fight a war against the criminal underworld. All his methodologies are military based. He plans, he strategizes, and he eliminates his targets without hesitation.
I know right. Dudes be wanting to associate Christianity with anything... Even if it's an ill guy who is a vigilante crusade. I dunno if that's very christian.
The punisher voted for Trump
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Overt politics or agenda have no place in a book like the Punisher.
I think people need to follow the Yin Yang philosophy.
So sick of marvel crap I don’t know if I can watch it even if it comes back to reality and doesn’t feel like a reeducation video.
I canceled the 3rd or 4th issue of the last punisher series..it sucked then an issue later they canceled it...I wasn't the only one who hated it
Garth Ennis is a flaming liberal and he's one of the best Punisher writers of all time, so....
"Popular" and "Best" are not the same thing. Ennis succeeds on shock value. He did Edgeyboy stuff at a time when Edgeyboy stuff was still super edgey. Naturally that made all the critics go ga-ga for him, at a time when Critics should still move sales. Objectively, his work is pretty middling when you look past the edgeyboy shock value.
Not a fan. 80's-90's Punisher is peak.
He is a overrated writer. An edgelord like frank miller.
@@TheCrimsonRevengerchuck Dixon and Mike Barron disagree.
most of the best action stories are conservative values in them guy whos pro family/2A just wants to be left alone till hes pushed to the edge
Like Terminator. Or Bloodsport. Or Expendables. Or Blade. Or Goldeneye. Or The Bourne Identity.
tf are you talking about? Like, three Clint Eastwood movies and Rambo?
@@willchurch8376 Try adding a string of Bronson films then and Neeson films now and countless other revenge films to your expediently narrow list. It really is as if you people simply cannot engage honestly. You are the most dishonest people on the planet because you care more about your sustaining your frankly puerile and reductive politicking than you even do the truth.
Frank Castle's crusade against crime is comparable to a Christian fanatic perhaps, but as a mass murderer he is not in any way a true follower of Christ, unless seeking repentance for his sins
Some people these days mistake vigilantism for 'Christian' values. What they really mean is that they like guns, they fantasize about shooting ppl who make them angry, and they hate gays b/c their Sunday school teacher told them being gay is a sin. This describes A LOT of Americans who *identify* as Christian... but who don't yet know Christ.
When was the Punisher catholic? I’ve never seen a story where he was.
From Marvel's online biography for the character: "Born in Queens, New York to Sicilian immigrant parents, Frank Castiglione-later Castle-was on a path to priesthood and piety. Disillusioned by the amount of evil he bore witness to in the world, he left the seminary with the acceptance that there could be no forgiveness without punishment. Determined to make his mark on the world, he joined the U.S. Marines and Navy Seals."
It seems he was fairly religious in the traditional sense. Until his family was slaughtered before his eyes. I can still remember reading Marvel Super Action as a kid and being blown away by it. Kind of like the first time I read 2000 Ad 1978 Annual and discovered Judge Dredd.
Hell, Frank was actually going to be a Priest at one point.
You've seen fewer than you think, then, and definitely missing on some of the best material, by implications.
Let’s gooooooo
No, sir. Killing people is not inherently Christian.
How is the Punisher a Christian hero? I don't think a man that does what he does believes in a higher power, and one of his most famous lines is "sometimes I'd like to get my hands on God.".
He's not only a Christian hero, he's a Catholic of direct Sicilian descent who was on his way to be ordered as Priest, then dropped off last minute and enrolled the army. And yes, he believes in a higher power. When he was written as saying the lines you quote, it incidentally makes him - inadvertently, I reckon, on the writer's part - into a hell of a bad mother, because he actually believes God exists, so in his statement, regardless of its material improbability, is very much literal in the feeling he expresses.
@@oscarjimenezgarrido7591 That was all before he became the Punisher, and he didn't even end up following that route. It also changes depending on who's writing the origin. You are reading way too much into something that was meant to be a badass line, and you have no idea what Garth's intentions were. I don't believe in God, but I'll reference him sometimes in a conversation, based on your logic I believe in God and acknowledges that he exists, which isn't the case.
This reminds me of the gay community. They always try to claim certain characters and argue that they were always a certain way. This is the same thing, there is not enough evidence to back this up, and why would you even want to claim a mass murderer as a Christian anyway. I love frank, but he's a psychotic mass murderer, and a husk of a human being.
I think the Punisher, might be more of a Conservative and Objectivist person type. I guess. My quick reaction: 🎶Hey, it's Franklin!🎶. I think about the cartoon named Franklin. My song about Frank Castle, The Punisher.: th-cam.com/video/wZIcUjIOAD8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=505nEcLLzQ18JmMb Just a parody I have been thinking of.
Castle/Castiglione's first name is not Franklin but Francis/Francesco. Know your nerd subject material, friend.
Uh. Okay!
I was never attracted to the Punisher comics, they always seemed really dull to me as a kid, especially in contrast to Spiderman, X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. What is a good Punisher Comic run? I am not sure if the character will be to my tastes, but I’d like to give him the best shot that I can.
Mike Baron's and Chuck Dixon's.
Whether you like disney or not they are going for a kid friendly vibe with marvel at this point, hence the reason we have not received any r rated theatrical releases for these characters. Its unfortunate, i am very left leaning and think the punisher is a great character, but i also think its concerning to see policeman aspire to be a vigilante that takes the law into their own hands like the punisher rather than upholding the law like a police officer is supposed to.
Not sure where youre getting the christianity thing about punisher from though.
Also, im sorry but captain america is not a republican. In the early 80s he was advocating for criminal reformation, discussing corrupt millionaires who were burning buildings down to bring the value of the land down so they could buy it cheaper. In the 90s after heroes return, steve rogers actively campaigns for a left leaning political figure not as captain america but as steve Rogers (he still had his secret identity at this point). Just because you love your country or believe in the american dream does not mean that you are a republican. Decades of captain america comics are going to refute the statement that he is right leaning, and john walker was specifically invented to be a right leaning captain america. I love john walker too but steve is not and was not a Republican in any of the mainstream comics.
Skinwalker detected.
Lol, Punisher is anything but christian.
Apparently, he is.
If I remember correctly, the Castles where practicing catholics
@@Rengokuo4o6 He was before his family died. Forgiveness is a cornerstone of that faith and Castle has none of that. The guy’s too nihilistic for religion.
@Aaron-zt5ee
He still believes in God. Hell, he's been a literal Angel of Death at a point (horrible idea and writing but it's canon) so he not only believes in God, he KNOWS for a fact he exists.
@ belief in a deity is not the same as worship. He’s met Thor as well but it doesn’t mean he worships the guy.
Please don’t tell me you think the punisher is a super hero.
hes not super he has no powers
@ I’ve heard that sentiment before
@@ryszakowy lots of superheroes have no powers.
An antihero is no superhero. Just someone who doesn't attack heros (usually), while being as or even crueler than the villains they fight against.
@ therr plenty of anti-hero superheroes: Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Batman in certain portrayals, etc. An anti-hero means a character that is flawed and morally gray but still acts as a heroic figure.
Um no. Frank is not an inherently Christian character. Christianity is grounded in the belief of love, and forgiveness. Look at Paul for further proof of those principles.
I love the Punisher and Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron but no not a Christian Character. He would be Old Testament for sure, but that would not make him Christian.
Daredevil is an open catholic and beats people up. No catholic is without sin
@@TheBioBoysaying Catholics are Christians is like saying Muslims are Jews.
@@TheBioBoy Catholics are pagans not Christians. They worship and pray to Mary and they pray to Saints. I was raised Catholic and renounced the blasphemy of the Catholic Church when I was 32.
Did you just say punisher is an inherently Christian character? I made it 1 minute in and I’m done 😂 thanks for the laugh.
You definitely don't know the character as much as you think you do, then, so the joke's on you, I'm sorry to say.
OK right wing I can understand the punisher being, but Christian?
Did you forget the part of the Bible, where God says “vengeance is mine and mine alone “ ?
Did you forget the part where thousands and thousands of Christians cheat, steal and indulge in all kind of un-christian stuff?
A few quick corrections to the many lies you told:
- Jason Aaron never turned Doctor Strange into a woman.
- Captain America is a fictional character, but if he were real he DEFINITELY would not be a conservative.
- The MAGA bros who slap the Punisher logos all over their 4x4s are not Punisher fans; they don't even know who he is.
Your worship of Mark Millar is so weird because he writes books that you would hate if you actually read them. The Ambassadors was a multinational, multicultural team book; there wasn't even a white American male in the book until the very last issue. Night Club was about three hispanic kids who were turned into vampires. Prodigy is about a black man who is the smartest man in the world. Big Game was a pretty decent story where the bad guys won until the whole thing was undone by simple time travel, something you would hate if Marvel or DC did it. He has a deal with Netflix to turn his books into shows which you would hate if Marvel or DC writers did. Mark Millar has done everything you cry about Marvel and DC writers doing yet you kiss his feet at every opportunity. It's bizarre.
The simp for mainstream comics is yearning hard again
@theragoooverlord5021 how does correcting JDA's lies make me a simp?
@@bumpkinstv6722 you carry on like your correct but your arguing on what the real life values of a fictional character would be if they were real. Lol.
@@theragoooverlord5021 JDA literally brought it up first.
@@theragoooverlord5021 Your hypocrisy is causing a stench that stinks to high heaven. The OP was also arguing the real life values of a fictional character.
They destroy everything and can't come up with good ideas. Real sad.
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Punisher. One of my favorite characters from Marvel and one of my favorite Anti-Heroes from all time. Make their comics right and great again.
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Obviously. Or it will just become what it has become - g. @y.