Let's not suger-coat it; Kate was straight up abusive to Jon. He was being abused while in that toxic relationship. I'm glad he got out. She should remain single. And those poor kids will have problems in their future relationships because of her overbearing ocd.
iiiiiiiiiiii90000000 Agree 1000%. She is a narcissist, a bully and has major anger issues. Nothing is ever good enough for a narcissistic. They don’t want love, but prefer instead to judge everyone wrongly from their perfect place of perfection.
Victoria Morrisa Oh please! That was an innocent one off thing and a result of ongoing verbal abuse by Kate- he was finally expressing himself ONE time! Let's look at Kate NOW- still berating and verbally abusing her kids. We all saw the show. Kate showed zero emotion, never acknowledged the kids feelings, and basically stunted their social skills. She's a vile human being...
That was Collin that was worried mom would be mad about the dirt. And we all know the issues kate had with parenting Collin. She hated him. Even wrote in her diary that she was afraid she might actually hurt the kids seriously bc she just went ham on them. When u see Collin freaking out about dirt when you cant see a speck of dirt on him, just backs up these claims. That kids was scared to get beat.
@@sarahbeee5240 At that point he didn't KNOW he had a right to want one. She had him so brainwashed by that time. He was just gonna ride that tsunami to the beach until the kids are old enough. That just shows how committed to his kids he was, and is.
He didn't left! If she didn't ask for divorce he would stay with her...i know many couples like that. I know even a man who found a lovely and accomplished woman but finally he prefered to stay with his abusive woman (he became abusive to this other woman and say to us "i act with her like my wife acts with me" and we were juste like wtf ??) So he stays with her because he liked to be controled by her "mommy". Sad ...
I stoped watching the show too because of her i couldn't take it I'm glad he's got two of the kids now I'm hoping he gets the other 4. Feel bad for the 4 left with her
Could you imagine if the roles were different and it was a man talking/treating his wife like this. Shame on TLC for not getting John support and help.
Gen ferris That’s what the outcome is when your mom is an ocd control freak who micromanages literally everything you do. Poor kids didn’t get to have a normal childhood, and poor Jon doesn’t get to see the kids now because Kate has them brainwashed and believing he doesn’t want anything to do with them and basically made him the bad guy in their eyes. Sad all the way around 😔
lo she is just like my mom and believe me, it does leave traces. I am consciously trying not to be like her with my kids. Whenever I feel myself losing my grip, I leave for a moment to breathe, and then I go back, apologize and educate them rather then pounce on there heads.
Andréanne Perron I try also, to not talk to my kids, the way I was talked to. I think I have done well, for the most part. At 48 years old, I still have dreams of the way I was spoken to as a kid.
"I know, I have many faults". He was like this beaten down man, who hears that every day. Just there to fix stuff, play with the kids, run errands, fetch like a dog, get hair implants to look nice for her, lose weight because he was too fat, bathe the kids, dress the kids, hand out plates & juice, do yard work etc. Her errand boy. Kate cleaned, cooked, and..'wrote' books? That scene at the minivan where Kate was having him go and get stuff she left and then threw the shoes at his feet...OMG.
I think she said that one of the kids told her to do that and that he doesn’t “have” to pick them up, but then again, that’s just an example of Kate being controlling and manipulative
Omg I used to be addicted to watching this show when I was super young lmao, but now after being in an abusive relationship it’s insane to see how awful Kate was to John... and their poor kids!!! How controlling! They must all have many issues stemming from the trauma they went through as kids.
I believe that Collin was the most affected by Kate's controlling method. He reacted to angrily when he started to get dirty. And in the recent episodes he's always the one trying to please and be a perfect little boy for kate
Vanessa Santiago Ditto it wouldn't suprise me if he turns 18 released from the psych ward & pays a visit to mommy and siblings with an automatic and xmas presents to put under the tree
I know this feeling. It’s from dealing with a narc for FAAAAR too long. He’s burned TF out, half dead inside, never allowed to speak, move, think, LIVE without that hag hovering and micromanaging his every move!
Kate: I've never even been to a golf course. Jon: And you never will. That's my safe haven. 😂 I seriously rejoiced for him after that comeback. #clapback
She was mean to the girls too. Leah was photographed by paparazzi of her mother spanking her. One time according to the journal, all the sextuplets got into mischief and she spanked all 6 of them at once. Hannah was sent to timeout one by Kate because Hannah wanted her cereal dry. Kate’s journal she said horrific things about Mady. Six years old at the time There were times when Mady got spanked, one time she received multiple. Now we see where Mady when she got her aggression from when she was in first and second grade especially. Kate also ruined Mady’s accomplishments. In kindergarten Mady was trying to please the teacher who was testing her by saying “I can spell Harrisburg.” A young six year old and Kate didn’t praise her. Looking at the journal on the How Kate fooled the world book and the show, it explains volumes why she was angry at Kate in particular. Mady was diagnosed with ADHD at 13 according to her Tik Tok. Then with both the twins, Kate always shuts them down. Both of the twins felt unheard by mom and their emotions were invalidated. However Collin especially was the worst treated by Kate. He was much harder for Kate to discipline compared to all the kids. When Collin was destructive during his fits of rage coming from the tot, Kate sparked him severely. Kate controlled him so relentlessly and Collin fought. He was sent away. The kids had so much anger inside them and they had a hard time expressing and Kate didn’t give them the opportunity to express their emotions.
I like how Kate corrects Jon’s grammar repeatedly but then says “I could care less” (which makes no sense) it’s “I couldn’t care less” she says this while she’s correcting him 😡😡😡 ughhhh
It’s so sad to know that Collin spent three long years apart from his siblings. Seeing him play with his siblings here and knowing what happens down the line is just too sad.
She was jealous. That's an endearing term and she didn't like that she thought he might be flirting with another woman. She's so nasty. She'll be alone her entire life.
I like Jon’s philosophies on letting the kids have fun, even though it might amount into some extra laundry. When you are a kid you shouldn’t feel like you have to be careful with EVERYTHING, which is how Kate probably makes them feel. That can cause emotional damage that could effect their futures and the kids are very lucky they had such a good dad.
Yeah. I understand how Kate felt, too, though. She would get upset that she had to do everything by herself because Jon didn't do anything. She knew that she was going to be stuck with all of the laundry, etc
Bullshit, Jon did help but the thing is Kate scream at him telling him he's doing it wrong and that Kate did have a lot of help with Jon, her family, nannies, babysitters until she drove them all away.
If she hated getting stains out of laundry then why not buy sweatsuits dedicated for getting dirty for crying out loud???!!! They’re comfortable and easy to slip in and out of. Heck, Hanes is very inexpensive with lots of bright cheerful colors, then all of the kids could have worn matching outfits even at play.
@@VictoriaMorrisa she made extra work for herself by worrying too much about their clothing. Who TF cares let them wear whatever and get a little dirty. I understand having that many kids and all the same age will need a bit tighter routine to keep things under control but she was on a whole other level. She was overkill
She is lazy beyond pale! Then throws those shoes out the window and then says her daughter said to throw them out the window. Another lie. She wanted to throw them out because she is so hateful. The queen has left the building. How did Jon not commit himself?
@txcracker28 "I could care less" is the correct saying. It is like saying, "If it looks like I don't care now, watch me and I will show you that I can care even less."
@@mandylou2501 actually, you're wrong. Which is ridiculous when you can simply Google it instead of looking like an idiot. It's "I couldn't care less". Why would anyone make a statement that the could care less? Who cares? Are you just admitting that you're too lazy to bother to care less? If so, why did you say anything at all?
my mom and dad were very very similar to john and kate it's so strange for me to watch, as someone who experienced the same thing I could say for sure developmentally, it causes the child sooo much stress living an environment where someone excessively nags and yells, the child might just not trust the mom anymore because they feel they can't depend on them emotionally, will rebel, mental stress issues, mental health issues or just be independent... I'm still young but that's what happened to me, I don't like seeing kids going through that like me
I totally agree. My mom is like this. And my dad is just distant. As an adult I'm having to work through being excessively critical to others and myself.
kyo_ch I am so sorry. No kid should have to go through that. Many break. I'm glad you didn't. Blessings on your journey. You sound like a kind insightful person.
My dad is like Kate. Very critical of everything. Unfortunately I think it destroyed my moms mental health because she pretty much a vegetable now. She can’t walk anymore and just lies in bed and shakes.
Wow Are your parents still together? I want to see the long term effect on those 8 kids, because as far as divorces go I think theirs was about as bad as could possibly be. And still is bad, looks like. Just really is bad for those kids. Lots of couples divorce, usually not so publicly. But most couples don't have EIGHT kids in the middle of it, and believe me it is hardest on the kids not the parents. The number of kids involved in the emotional carnage is overwhelmingly sad. I feel really bad for them all.
I experienced this as a child too. Both of my parents are overly critical of everything! I cut them out of my life and it took until my 40s to realize how toxic they were. I’ve struggled w depression and anxiety my whole life bc of this. I’m very self critical too.
You can tell in the Dr. Oz interview with John, where he said he has had lots of psychological therapy, that he is still affected by it all. And so much so that all he wants is to be happy and cares less about the money. I can relate to him because I was in an emotional abusive relationship although mine was more subtle than his. It took me until 10 years after the break up to even realize that my partner was a narcissist. He's a good guy I wish him the best.
When he’s on that confessional couch he shows his true emotions. Especially that golf course comment. She even calls him “honey” in a way that sounds fake. Poor Jon, she was too into herself to realize that he’s not happy with her at all. He looked miserable from day 1 but held on for the kids alone. He fell out of love for her the second they got their own show
Actually, it’s more like Kate’s constant whining and meltdowns. Jon was fine, Kate just always loved causing & picking fights with him. She’s done with many others in her life too, especially since the divorce. It’s like she just looks for drama to create with others, she’s sick.
widbb I wouldn't say abusive. This can be fixed but the more he ISN'T standing up for himself she's filling up the vacume. Believe me, she hates it. Passive aggression on His part.
Kathy Myers He has been in court since 2015 trying to get custody of his kids. He has Hanna. He sees Colin. Kate has drilled into the kids that Jon (not their Dad, but Jon) is terrible, awful and just Bad. The whole thing is a tragic mess for those kids and Jon. He may never have a relationship with some of them because of the poison she has filled the kids with about their Father.
It’s crazy to see the role reversal of your typical abusive relationship that is normally portrayed in media. Women can be abusers and men can be the victim. There’s an entire show of it right here. Nobody called her out on it back then. I’m glad she’s getting aired out now.
There are so many more relationships like this out there. I’ve seen a lot of them personally. Particularly women weight shaming their men in public anytime they eat. Horrid.
That scene in the driveway by the van was hilarious...their entire relationship in 2 minutes. Ugh, what a harpie. And when your husband calls his trainer a fuzzy bunny compared to you...and nice, compared to you...you shouldn't laugh, bc maybe they'll get fed up and just leave you eventually.
The fact that they let the girls eat the cupcakes in front of the boy's broke my heart..Give them the dam cake..It's only a cupcake..If one kid wasn't going to be able to have one,no one is getting them..That is so sad!! Shame on them.. Exspecally Kate...
It was their birthday's a special day they should have gotten to eat their cupcakes, my brother would never do that his girls, my nieces cause they excited on their birthdays, that what kids do.
One of the stupidest girls I went to school with became a nurse. I was quite surprised she even got through university because this girl was DUMB, no book smarts and no common sense.
>be yelled at and nagged for years >get cheated on and divorced >courts award custody and the house to the person who berated you constantly >entire media goes against you >now most of your kids won’t talk to you Just walk away.
WOW!!!! MOMMY DEAREST! Believe me, those kids will be writing a tell all book one day. No wonder Jon left her!! I could not stand that woman longer then 5 minutes!!!!!!!!
1:21 - Truest words EVER spoken! When I look at Jon, I see a man desperately trying to be a good father and spend QUALITY/FUN time with his kids. All while simultaneously fighting off a mega-bitch beast trying to hold his children hostage with video cameras. I'm sure he's not perfect, none of us are and we all carry blame for certain things in life. But damn! I feel for the dude and his children!
She doesn't like her husband (at the time) and honestly, she doesn't like children. She doesn't give a damn about anyone else's feelings and she is such a control freak that people look defeated and exhausted around her. I disagree with another comment; she's NOT a good Mom. She's a narcissist who constantly breaks down boundaries and destroys self esteem in her children. Please, look up narcissist mothers. She is the entire checklist.
WoW there's definitely 2 sides to every marriage and I can really see his side in these clips! I don't think I could live with someone so incredibly critical. How can she expect to be desired and sought after by her hubby if everything coming out of her mouth is criticism and negativity? Especially when it's in front of the kids.
I feel sad for both of them. When you watch their engagement video, you can see how happy they were. The stresses and strains of having so many children in such a short span of time, and all the changes that came into their lives - often do crack even in what they would say was the most solid of marriages. Some women do change drastically when they have children, forgetting that their husbands are people, who need love and support as well as the children. I'm not saying it clearly enough but it's just sad that their marriage could not survive. Even sadder that they to this day, rarely communicate except about the children's drop off and pick up times. I think Kate has the best of intentions but is filled with fear (I would be if I suddenly had 8 little mouths to feed for the next 20 odd years) and that drives her. John on the other hand, goes in the other direction and somewhat avoids. He could have manned up long before things got out of hand, been honest and upfront with Kate about how he was feeling and that he wasn't going to tolerate the way she treated him. He preferred to come off as the poor little victim. Had he stood up to her, I feel Kate would have had far more respect for him. In the end, they both bear responsibility. Thank goodness they have eight beautiful children who will constantly remind them ... they had it good.
I totally get what you meant when you said, if he had stood up to her she would have respected him more.. I think you’re absolutely right, she got so used to teasing him that it was her way of blowing off steam and he just let her do it.. bad cycle
The bringing things out to the car...is very telling. She could have GOT OUT OF THE CAR, turned it off etc and grabbed some of the shit himself but instead she chose to wait until he walked away each time to find something else he needed to get. She's a complete bitch.
That poor man was constantly degraded, criticized, and verbally abused. His problem was he just stood there and took it from day one and once she started doing it she thought she could just do it from there on out. Poor John just had enough of her shenanigans
I could see why Jon hated the cameras during late season 3 all the way to season 5. Being filmed constantly against your consent is ridiculous. Then Kate divorcing Jon just because he didn’t want to be filmed anymore. The reason why he agreed with Kate to do the show in the first place, is to help them with the bills and support the kids, but as the series progressed, the filming hours got so bad he got to the point where he had to throw the camera crew out of the house and then later on, get off the show. This made Kate really unhappy so she basically sabotaged everything.
I watched this show in my early teens with my family. Now that I see back on it with a more mature mind, I realize what a control freak Kate (Karen) was. It's like listening to Stairway to Heaven backwards only to discover the hidden satanic meaning. Poor Jon, for having to deal with all these perpetual custody battles -- that are no doubt initiated by her. And we all know what happens to fathers in divorce courts.
I was a teenager back then trying to learn a second language off of TV and now I’m 30 and finally realizing how abusive Kate was with her language. They were basically fighting with each other every single episode, just imagine their kids had to grow up in an environment like that
Its important to realize that Kate is in self denial about how bad her behavior is. She has convinced herself she is not abusive and is just doing everything for the good of her family. In other words a warped state of denial.
Jon looked so miserable in these clips. I'm really glad that he got out of that marriage and seems to be so much happier now and is trying to do what's best for his kids.
Making a big deal out of how he was talking in 'seasons' to dodge having to deal with the fact that she's being critical of his weight... Really awkward
Sad situation when your children have to think they have to be adults and cant be children. She absolutely belittles him and says he does everything wrong. it's all about Kate and what Kate wants done.. Poor perfect Kate.. It's a shame that she birthed all these children and can't seem to handle caring for them as their mom... right Kate..
Kate was verbally caustic and abusive and thrived in putting down Jon. She has turned many of the kids against Jon and now they don't speak to him. She was more worried about losing the show and her "brand" instead of being concerned about the effect the divorce would have on her kids. Kate kept saying on the show they would continue to film as long as everyone was happy and emotionally healthy but that was a LIE. Their marriage deteriorated and Collin & Alexa later displayed behavioral problems at school. Then Hannah started running away from Kate to Jon's house to get away from her. They were NOT emotionally stable/healthy family, YET she continued her Kate + 8 show. She put money and fame a priority BEFORE the well-being of her family. She also "got rid" of Collin by sending him off and then did not show up at court for him when he was finally released from that boarding school. He probably had emotional problems from the bad divorce and his dad no longer in his life. I can go on and on about her. Kate does not deserve to be in anymore shows or to be in the spotlight.
This use to be my favorite show but I stop watching it because Kate always was talking down to Jon and the kids couldn't have fun with out her trying to control everything
There is MORE to being a good mother than just the basics. Anyone can provide food, shelter, and clothing, but not all women are capable of being loving and nurturing.
the birthday is really telling that the children requested a "normal birthday" and not a carnival on their b-day. I quite sure these kids are craving a normal life...how sad for them. in the dictionary under the word shrew is a picture of Kate Gosselin. I'm not sure how Jon survived as long as he did with her.
I don't think they want that again. The little girls were the only allow to eat their cupcake. The boys weren't able to. The twins eat theirs behind their parents back.
20AmandaL yes I do have children and rules that you mentioned didn't apply on birthdays nor special occasions.I never "made" my kids eat,they ate what I cooked and did it everyday. they did it without "threats" of admonishment, veggies and all ,they learned that from the beginning...I wasn't a demon mother My children where guided and directed so they could make small decisions for themselves and learn to make bigger ones as adults,without spanking without screaming like a shrewing banshee. you on the other hand must be one of those nazi-ogre mothers who threat and spank if children do not do as told...so don't give that's what it takes to be a good parent bullshit.
+valerie rodriguez when my sister young she tell me that my mom make her eat all her food, if she don't finish it she would hit her with stick. my sister say it was not my mom fult.
Let's not suger-coat it; Kate was straight up abusive to Jon. He was being abused while in that toxic relationship. I'm glad he got out. She should remain single. And those poor kids will have problems in their future relationships because of her overbearing ocd.
Exactly, If it was a guy treating a woman like that people would have been on him like white on rice! It was total abuse!
I'm just curious can people actually go to jail for verbally abusing people?
And now she’s never gonna find anyone. I know she’s doing a series of finding a boyfriend, but he’ll see this and run away
@@iAmMadeOfSoup I feel SO SORRY FOR these 'dates
iiiiiiiiiiii90000000 Agree 1000%. She is a narcissist, a bully and has major anger issues. Nothing is ever good enough for a narcissistic. They don’t want love, but prefer instead to judge everyone wrongly from their perfect place of perfection.
Who here thinks she definitely has a thing against men and her boys? She always has mean things to say about her husband and the boys.
You know, that's a possibility. She seems to say things like they're 'dirty,' etc.
It’s really sad.
Yes! She was always meaner to the boys.
Mommy probably was a Narc (too) and Dad allowed it, now the cycle repeats?
It is known that her father was abusive- I think that relationship changed her for the worse.
He can't win. If he makes a decision, she raises hell. If he stands there, she raises hell.
Welcome to my world
G it's a wonder why their marriage didn't work out. She kept dominating the relationship and left no room for him to to even say anything
If my dude doesn't use the correct grammar shes got some smart ass shit to say.
She never shuts up!
Kate your just mean!
Who is here after the Dr Oz interview?
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Annie Shaffer you are just as delusional as Kate. Lmao
This poor man! He is dieing right in front of her....how could anyone take that.
😂😂😂😂😂 jon saying your mom has got you brain warped preach! Preach Jon 👏👏👏👏
I don't think he should have said that in front of his kids
Victoria Morrisa I think he should have. He’s trying to help them see how awful she is
Oh my God she is a witch.
Victoria Morrisa Oh please! That was an innocent one off thing and a result of ongoing verbal abuse by Kate- he was finally expressing himself ONE time! Let's look at Kate NOW- still berating and verbally abusing her kids. We all saw the show. Kate showed zero emotion, never acknowledged the kids feelings, and basically stunted their social skills. She's a vile human being...
That was Collin that was worried mom would be mad about the dirt. And we all know the issues kate had with parenting Collin. She hated him. Even wrote in her diary that she was afraid she might actually hurt the kids seriously bc she just went ham on them. When u see Collin freaking out about dirt when you cant see a speck of dirt on him, just backs up these claims. That kids was scared to get beat.
Poor Jon. He was so humiliated and degraded constantly. He’s a free man now. Her kids are going to hate her for how she was.
Sheila Johnson and it’s all documented!
I don't know how he lasted as long as he did. She is disgusting
Sheila Johnson the kids are older n they will know. She used the kids for money bitch
I really think she is mad and has some form of mental problem. Poor Jon !!
I know a guy who was treated basically like that for pretty much all his marriage. It really is abuse.
And the way that she talks to the camera crew about him when he's standing right there just blows my mind...why is she so evil? No wonder Jon left
Chessica Robinson If she can speak that way in front of other people, imagine what it was like behind the scenes... 😕
He didn’t, she wanted the divorce, she filed for it.
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At that point he didn't KNOW he had a right to want one. She had him so brainwashed by that time. He was just gonna ride that tsunami to the beach until the kids are old enough. That just shows how committed to his kids he was, and is.
She is who she is, but I bet the production team really egged her on once they realized people were reacting to it.
He didn't left! If she didn't ask for divorce he would stay with her...i know many couples like that. I know even a man who found a lovely and accomplished woman but finally he prefered to stay with his abusive woman (he became abusive to this other woman and say to us "i act with her like my wife acts with me" and we were juste like wtf ??)
So he stays with her because he liked to be controled by her "mommy". Sad ...
I feel bad for Jon because he couldn't enjoy the first years of his children's lives because Kate made it a living hell
Ashley Ann pretty much their entire adolescence because when they divorced she reduced visits and turned the kids against jon
And then alienated him
Kate always had this mindset of “it’s my way or no way”
Kate was so damn mean to Jon that I stopped watching the show because I felt so bad for him
He needs his own show with the kids
He has Hannah and one of the boys
I stoped watching the show too because of her i couldn't take it I'm glad he's got two of the kids now I'm hoping he gets the other 4. Feel bad for the 4 left with her
Me too
I noticed the same thing. It was too hard to watch that bitch bully Jon constantly.
“she’s really nice compared to kate” the producers laugh says it all lmao
He really was trying to sugarcoat it and she kept pushing it so he just said it 🤣🤣🤣
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As a single guy, this looks like the very definition of hell on earth.
lmao
An absolute nightmare.
fluxmuldar Jon is just in it for the hate *fucking*
fluxmuldar Yaaaaaaaaaaaas😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a married woman that is hell on earth! I can't imagine and I would NEVER speak to my husband the way she does. It's truly disgusting to watch.
Who’s here after Dr. Oz?
Could you imagine if the roles were different and it was a man talking/treating his wife like this. Shame on TLC for not getting John support and help.
@@UnluckyOctopus yes and shame on them for offering him money to stay in the marriage 🙄 can you believe that
This is awful
I have a title for Kate. Kate, the Mother of Karens. Spawn of the Can I speak to your Manager hair cut.
More abusive second time watching scary.
There doesn't seem to be any gentleness or laughing the whole family just seem tense and stressed out all the time
Gen ferris That’s what the outcome is when your mom is an ocd control freak who micromanages literally everything you do. Poor kids didn’t get to have a normal childhood, and poor Jon doesn’t get to see the kids now because Kate has them brainwashed and believing he doesn’t want anything to do with them and basically made him the bad guy in their eyes. Sad all the way around 😔
Yep
I'm clenching my teeth just watching
Kids are a nightmare for people who don’t have a passion for raising them. I do not know how people do it
Two 7 year old girls, 6 toddlers, and a couple who hate each is a recipe for disaster. I feel so bad for the kids.
Their show should have been called, “A Divorce In The Making”
"Living with a bitch"
So, so true
Or your worst nightmare...
I am so sad that Kate is so emotionally and verbally abusive. I know how put downs EXTREMELY affect ones self esteem and self worth.
lo she is just like my mom and believe me, it does leave traces. I am consciously trying not to be like her with my kids. Whenever I feel myself losing my grip, I leave for a moment to breathe, and then I go back, apologize and educate them rather then pounce on there heads.
lo yes! I do too. 🙁
Andréanne Perron I try also, to not talk to my kids, the way I was talked to. I think I have done well, for the most part. At 48 years old, I still have dreams of the way I was spoken to as a kid.
Yes me too
@@crazycat1232 alpha man/woman protect other.
She is just a timid woman who try to cover up her own weakness by shifting blames
"don't forget the preposition" ...oh my god. She's an absolute nightmare.
And the fact that he apologizes just makes me want to scream lol Oh God what a b****
Yeah when your wife starts correcting your prepositions its over. No wonder he was out the door.
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Kate was such a bully to jon
Grow up. Either spouse can correct each others grammar. Jeez. Special snowflake if your ego can’t handle it.
Sarah Green no bitch. If it’s a casual conversation that shit is annoying
I came here just to prove that I remembered how awful she was to Jon.
EbLee King me too and ITS WORSE than I remember smh
Jamie Utitus Yes! I cringed. Makes me rethink the way I talk to people.
Same!
EbLee King I’m shocked we didn’t notice her attitude when the show was actually on or at least I didn’t remember Wow !
"I know, I have many faults". He was like this beaten down man, who hears that every day. Just there to fix stuff, play with the kids, run errands, fetch like a dog, get hair implants to look nice for her, lose weight because he was too fat, bathe the kids, dress the kids, hand out plates & juice, do yard work etc. Her errand boy. Kate cleaned, cooked, and..'wrote' books?
That scene at the minivan where Kate was having him go and get stuff she left and then threw the shoes at his feet...OMG.
towsonualum poor him. STAND UP FOR YOURSELF MORON.
I was in those shoes once, but I was also groomed at 17 by a 27 year old. Drugs, alcohol, cars, clothes, oh yeah and rape. This world is disturbing!!
I would have thrown the shoes at her.
That made me sad
I think she said that one of the kids told her to do that and that he doesn’t “have” to pick them up, but then again, that’s just an example of Kate being controlling and manipulative
Omg I used to be addicted to watching this show when I was super young lmao, but now after being in an abusive relationship it’s insane to see how awful Kate was to John... and their poor kids!!! How controlling! They must all have many issues stemming from the trauma they went through as kids.
I believe that Collin was the most affected by Kate's controlling method. He reacted to angrily when he started to get dirty. And in the recent episodes he's always the one trying to please and be a perfect little boy for kate
almost like you could see the future
+MaryBerrii2 lol why what happened to Collin?
A week ago he was taken out of his house for mental therapy?
+Christina B. Omg what the heckkkkk , that's so strange
Vanessa Santiago Ditto it wouldn't suprise me if he turns 18 released from the psych ward & pays a visit to mommy and siblings with an automatic and xmas presents to put under the tree
It had to be like dog years being married her. You can tell he just shut-down. Just listening to her exhausts me.
Only worried about dirty clothes and can never just enjoy life. Jon you made the right decision to dump her.
She dumped him. He didn't dump her. Jon himself said it on Dr. OZ.
She was the one that had to wash all the laundry though
@@YPM498 they have nannys
As the seasons progressed, Jon got quieter and quieter. He just got exhausted of defending himself all the time
I know this feeling. It’s from dealing with a narc for FAAAAR too long. He’s burned TF out, half dead inside, never allowed to speak, move, think, LIVE without that hag hovering and micromanaging his every move!
KATE NEVER APPPRECIATED ANYTHING HE EVER DID. SHE ONY THANKED HIN A FEW TIMES. MOSTLY SHE JUST COMPLAINED AND BELITTED JON.
She was always constantly micromanaging him..I could never stand her when watching the show.
She’s so rude and condescending. She talks to him like he’s one of the kids
Kate was always so unbelievably mean to Jon...
If she treated Jon this badly on camera one can only imagine what happened when the cameras were off!
Need to add their children too.
"Your mother has got you brain warped into thinking you have to be a clean boy all the time" 😂1:20
Kate is the ultimate fun killer! There is no way these kids can enjoy anything with Kate around.
Kate: I've never even been to a golf course.
Jon: And you never will. That's my safe haven. 😂
I seriously rejoiced for him after that comeback. #clapback
Is it just me, or is she meaner to the boys?
Yep
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She was mean to the girls too. Leah was photographed by paparazzi of her mother spanking her. One time according to the journal, all the sextuplets got into mischief and she spanked all 6 of them at once. Hannah was sent to timeout one by Kate because Hannah wanted her cereal dry. Kate’s journal she said horrific things about Mady. Six years old at the time There were times when Mady got spanked, one time she received multiple. Now we see where Mady when she got her aggression from when she was in first and second grade especially. Kate also ruined Mady’s accomplishments. In kindergarten Mady was trying to please the teacher who was testing her by saying “I can spell Harrisburg.” A young six year old and Kate didn’t praise her. Looking at the journal on the How Kate fooled the world book and the show, it explains volumes why she was angry at Kate in particular. Mady was diagnosed with ADHD at 13 according to her Tik Tok. Then with both the twins, Kate always shuts them down. Both of the twins felt unheard by mom and their emotions were invalidated.
However Collin especially was the worst treated by Kate. He was much harder for Kate to discipline compared to all the kids. When Collin was destructive during his fits of rage coming from the tot, Kate sparked him severely. Kate controlled him so relentlessly and Collin fought. He was sent away.
The kids had so much anger inside them and they had a hard time expressing and Kate didn’t give them the opportunity to express their emotions.
I like how Kate corrects Jon’s grammar repeatedly but then says “I could care less” (which makes no sense) it’s “I couldn’t care less” she says this while she’s correcting him 😡😡😡 ughhhh
Narcs think they know everything ... she makes him feel dumb
Nice catch
It’s so sad to know that Collin spent three long years apart from his siblings. Seeing him play with his siblings here and knowing what happens down the line is just too sad.
Kate is to blame for throwing away Collin for three years making feel isolated from the world all-cause Collin wouldn't go against his father.
Kate is so stiff and unimaginative; no wonder she couldn't wrap her mind around a simple metaphor like "fuzzy bunny"
She was jealous. That's an endearing term and she didn't like that she thought he might be flirting with another woman. She's so nasty. She'll be alone her entire life.
That pissed her off so bad but she held it back and tried to pretend she didn't understand what it meant.
I like Jon’s philosophies on letting the kids have fun, even though it might amount into some extra laundry. When you are a kid you shouldn’t feel like you have to be careful with EVERYTHING, which is how Kate probably makes them feel. That can cause emotional damage that could effect their futures and the kids are very lucky they had such a good dad.
Yeah. I understand how Kate felt, too, though. She would get upset that she had to do everything by herself because Jon didn't do anything. She knew that she was going to be stuck with all of the laundry, etc
Bullshit, Jon did help but the thing is Kate scream at him telling him he's doing it wrong and that Kate did have a lot of help with Jon, her family, nannies, babysitters until she drove them all away.
If she hated getting stains out of laundry then why not buy sweatsuits dedicated for getting dirty for crying out loud???!!! They’re comfortable and easy to slip in and out of. Heck, Hanes is very inexpensive with lots of bright cheerful colors, then all of the kids could have worn matching outfits even at play.
@@VictoriaMorrisa she made extra work for herself by worrying too much about their clothing. Who TF cares let them wear whatever and get a little dirty. I understand having that many kids and all the same age will need a bit tighter routine to keep things under control but she was on a whole other level. She was overkill
She is lazy beyond pale! Then throws those shoes out the window and then says her daughter said to throw them out the window. Another lie. She wanted to throw them out because she is so hateful. The queen has left the building. How did Jon not commit himself?
How is she such a grammar snob but still says “I could care less”.
That’s actually the correct way to say it.
@txcracker28 "I could care less" is the correct saying. It is like saying, "If it looks like I don't care now, watch me and I will show you that I can care even less."
@txcracker28 Sarcasm is not wrong.
Amiee Lou lmao, not, it’s actually, “ I couldn’t care less,” meaning that you really don’t care ! 🙄
@@mandylou2501 actually, you're wrong. Which is ridiculous when you can simply Google it instead of looking like an idiot. It's "I couldn't care less". Why would anyone make a statement that the could care less? Who cares? Are you just admitting that you're too lazy to bother to care less? If so, why did you say anything at all?
my mom and dad were very very similar to john and kate it's so strange for me to watch, as someone who experienced the same thing I could say for sure developmentally, it causes the child sooo much stress living an environment where someone excessively nags and yells, the child might just not trust the mom anymore because they feel they can't depend on them emotionally, will rebel, mental stress issues, mental health issues or just be independent... I'm still young but that's what happened to me, I don't like seeing kids going through that like me
I totally agree. My mom is like this. And my dad is just distant. As an adult I'm having to work through being excessively critical to others and myself.
kyo_ch I am so sorry. No kid should have to go through that. Many break. I'm glad you didn't. Blessings on your journey. You sound like a kind insightful person.
My dad is like Kate. Very critical of everything. Unfortunately I think it destroyed my moms mental health because she pretty much a vegetable now. She can’t walk anymore and just lies in bed and shakes.
Wow Are your parents still together? I want to see the long term effect on those 8 kids, because as far as divorces go I think theirs was about as bad as could possibly be. And still is bad, looks like. Just really is bad for those kids.
Lots of couples divorce, usually not so publicly. But most couples don't have EIGHT kids in the middle of it, and believe me it is hardest on the kids not the parents. The number of kids involved in the emotional carnage is overwhelmingly sad. I feel really bad for them all.
I experienced this as a child too. Both of my parents are overly critical of everything! I cut them out of my life and it took until my 40s to realize how toxic they were. I’ve struggled w depression and anxiety my whole life bc of this. I’m very self critical too.
You can tell in the Dr. Oz interview with John, where he said he has had lots of psychological therapy, that he is still affected by it all. And so much so that all he wants is to be happy and cares less about the money. I can relate to him because I was in an emotional abusive relationship although mine was more subtle than his. It took me until 10 years after the break up to even realize that my partner was a narcissist. He's a good guy I wish him the best.
8:53 Kate -- *I could care less.*
She corrected John's lack of preposition when he mentioned college, but didn't catch herself.
She's so annoying.
Disguiseduser I remember wanting to change Jon's name.
The verbal abuse from kate is so hard to watch its sad
When he’s on that confessional couch he shows his true emotions. Especially that golf course comment. She even calls him “honey” in a way that sounds fake. Poor Jon, she was too into herself to realize that he’s not happy with her at all. He looked miserable from day 1 but held on for the kids alone. He fell out of love for her the second they got their own show
These poor camera men they have to listen to their constant bickering.
Norma Vail 😂😂
PTSD I bet
Actually, it’s more like Kate’s constant whining and meltdowns. Jon was fine, Kate just always loved causing & picking fights with him. She’s done with many others in her life too, especially since the divorce. It’s like she just looks for drama to create with others, she’s sick.
I dont think i ever saw an interview where she didnt at least once pull him down over something miss perfect eh
I can’t blame Jon for wanting to get out. He was treated like a child him self.
Could you imagine being their neighbors?! Hearing to her screatch all day....
OMG they probably heard "JON!!!" every single day lmao.
I guess in a way it's good that they live on a gazillion acres of land
I live in their town...the neighbors hated her
Her yelling jonnnnnnn gets under my skin so badly lol
omggg.. so manipulative abusive controlling ruthless
DAMN at the end i felt sorry for him
widbb I wouldn't say abusive. This can be fixed but the more he ISN'T standing up for himself she's filling up the vacume. Believe me, she hates it. Passive aggression on His part.
Kathy Myers He has been in court since 2015 trying to get custody of his kids. He has Hanna. He sees Colin. Kate has drilled into the kids that Jon (not their Dad, but Jon) is terrible, awful and just Bad. The whole thing is a tragic mess for those kids and Jon. He may never have a relationship with some of them because of the poison she has filled the kids with about their Father.
Wow shr kept desert from them wow crappy mom
Why did this woman even have children? She just seems to hate them
To be on tv and have freebie and money.
Obviously she had ivf. But this narcissism runs deeper than just having multiple multiples 👫👫👫👭🤦🏼♀️
Scary thing is that she was a nurse before having kids..😬😬😬😬
No she just seems to hate the boys
Because she thought she was having one child instead of 6
no wonder Collin is in special care..god wtf did Kate do to him?!
dakitsu luna Collin was born that way.
Aleesha Marsh No. He wasn't.
aleesha, born what way? We still don't know what's the diagnosis is.
I grew up in a similar situation
She threw his special teddy bear away bc it had gum on it. PTSD
It’s crazy to see the role reversal of your typical abusive relationship that is normally portrayed in media. Women can be abusers and men can be the victim. There’s an entire show of it right here. Nobody called her out on it back then. I’m glad she’s getting aired out now.
There are so many more relationships like this out there. I’ve seen a lot of them personally. Particularly women weight shaming their men in public anytime they eat. Horrid.
That scene in the driveway by the van was hilarious...their entire relationship in 2 minutes. Ugh, what a harpie. And when your husband calls his trainer a fuzzy bunny compared to you...and nice, compared to you...you shouldn't laugh, bc maybe they'll get fed up and just leave you eventually.
The fact that they let the girls eat the cupcakes in front of the boy's broke my heart..Give them the dam cake..It's only a cupcake..If one kid wasn't going to be able to have one,no one is getting them..That is so sad!!
Shame on them.. Exspecally Kate...
My thoughts exactly!
Not giving the boys a cupcake was so mean even more so by letting them watch while the girls ate theirs!!
I understand the "dinner then desert" idea/rule but their little faces made me sad. They really wanted their 🍰
They didn't eat dinner, though. They can't just eat sweets, it's not healthy
@@VictoriaMorrisa it was cupcakes they made for their birthday.
Victoria Morrisa It was cupcakes 🧁 for their birthday! So just because they didn’t eat all the food they couldn’t have them. She’s a evil bitch
It was their birthday's a special day they should have gotten to eat their cupcakes, my brother would never do that his girls, my nieces cause they excited on their birthdays, that what kids do.
I honestly don't know how she was ever a nurse. Honestly🤦♀️
Lol she was probably the one to terrorize every pretty young nurse until they quit
Nurses are either the most vile, disgusting humans on earth or literal angels. One of the 2, no in between. We know which Kate is.
One of the stupidest girls I went to school with became a nurse. I was quite surprised she even got through university because this girl was DUMB, no book smarts and no common sense.
I’ve often wondered the same exact thing!!! 👩⚕️ 🩺💊🌡💉 🚑 🤷♀️
Poor Jon just looks more miserable each season. He put up with a lot of abuse just to be with the kids.
"We don't live in terms of seasons." YES YOU DO. YOUR WHOLE LIFE IS A REALITY SHOW!
>be yelled at and nagged for years
>get cheated on and divorced
>courts award custody and the house to the person who berated you constantly
>entire media goes against you
>now most of your kids won’t talk to you
Just walk away.
WOW!!!! MOMMY DEAREST! Believe me, those kids will be writing a tell all book one day. No wonder Jon left her!! I could not stand that woman longer then 5 minutes!!!!!!!!
She’s a perfectionist and when it comes to kids you just can’t be...kids aren’t perfect and they can never be.
My mother once said to me that in school they teach you to be a perfectionist but when you become a parent you have to forget all that. So true!
Throwing the shoes out of the car was just disrespectful. He got everything she asked and then basically spit in his face. She’s evil.
Remember that episode of the *The Office* when Michael and Jan hosted that dinner party? Yeah, this is that.
Mekela Tyler oh my god! It totally is... knew it felt familiar
It’s amazing how Kate got away with this behavior on National tv. If the roles were reversed Jon would’ve been canceled within one season!
1:21 - Truest words EVER spoken! When I look at Jon, I see a man desperately trying to be a good father and spend QUALITY/FUN time with his kids. All while simultaneously fighting off a mega-bitch beast trying to hold his children hostage with video cameras. I'm sure he's not perfect, none of us are and we all carry blame for certain things in life. But damn! I feel for the dude and his children!
She doesn't like her husband (at the time) and honestly, she doesn't like children. She doesn't give a damn about anyone else's feelings and she is such a control freak that people look defeated and exhausted around her. I disagree with another comment; she's NOT a good Mom. She's a narcissist who constantly breaks down boundaries and destroys self esteem in her children. Please, look up narcissist mothers. She is the entire checklist.
WoW there's definitely 2 sides to every marriage and I can really see his side in these clips! I don't think I could live with someone so incredibly critical. How can she expect to be desired and sought after by her hubby if everything coming out of her mouth is criticism and negativity? Especially when it's in front of the kids.
She micro manages everything.
Gosh he suffered for far longer than I ever could with that witch.
I feel sad for both of them. When you watch their engagement video, you can see how happy they were. The stresses and strains of having so many children in such a short span of time, and all the changes that came into their lives - often do crack even in what they would say was the most solid of marriages. Some women do change drastically when they have children, forgetting that their husbands are people, who need love and support as well as the children. I'm not saying it clearly enough but it's just sad that their marriage could not survive. Even sadder that they to this day, rarely communicate except about the children's drop off and pick up times. I think Kate has the best of intentions but is filled with fear (I would be if I suddenly had 8 little mouths to feed for the next 20 odd years) and that drives her. John on the other hand, goes in the other direction and somewhat avoids. He could have manned up long before things got out of hand, been honest and upfront with Kate about how he was feeling and that he wasn't going to tolerate the way she treated him. He preferred to come off as the poor little victim. Had he stood up to her, I feel Kate would have had far more respect for him. In the end, they both bear responsibility. Thank goodness they have eight beautiful children who will constantly remind them ... they had it good.
I totally get what you meant when you said, if he had stood up to her she would have respected him more.. I think you’re absolutely right, she got so used to teasing him that it was her way of blowing off steam and he just let her do it.. bad cycle
No....
Its not the kids, its her wanting.to be the baby, the only baby
He was a victim. Kate was emotionally and mentally abusive to Jon. No one deserves what he went through.
The bringing things out to the car...is very telling. She could have GOT OUT OF THE CAR, turned it off etc and grabbed some of the shit himself but instead she chose to wait until he walked away each time to find something else he needed to get. She's a complete bitch.
And this is why she's the Karen meme.
What a control freak!! Its never good enough for her.
That poor man was constantly degraded, criticized, and verbally abused. His problem was he just stood there and took it from day one and once she started doing it she thought she could just do it from there on out.
Poor John just had enough of her shenanigans
Poor Jon. He just oozes deafeat in these clips. lol
I could see why Jon hated the cameras during late season 3 all the way to season 5. Being filmed constantly against your consent is ridiculous. Then Kate divorcing Jon just because he didn’t want to be filmed anymore.
The reason why he agreed with Kate to do the show in the first place, is to help them with the bills and support the kids, but as the series progressed, the filming hours got so bad he got to the point where he had to throw the camera crew out of the house and then later on, get off the show. This made Kate really unhappy so she basically sabotaged everything.
I agree with Jon during all of this
I watched this show in my early teens with my family. Now that I see back on it with a more mature mind, I realize what a control freak Kate (Karen) was. It's like listening to Stairway to Heaven backwards only to discover the hidden satanic meaning. Poor Jon, for having to deal with all these perpetual custody battles -- that are no doubt initiated by her. And we all know what happens to fathers in divorce courts.
As adults, the kids will watch these episodes and realize it’s their mother who’s the sick one.
So many kids live in families where the parents hate each other's guts like this.
That's awful 😢
I was a teenager back then trying to learn a second language off of TV and now I’m 30 and finally realizing how abusive Kate was with her language. They were basically fighting with each other every single episode, just imagine their kids had to grow up in an environment like that
8:52 he should have corrected her by saying “it’s I couldn’t care less” when she said “I could care less”.
Kate is a perfectionist Jon couldn't do anything right even if he tried.
No Kate a mega cunt
Idk. I’m a perfectionist and I don’t force it on anyone. I would rather quietly do it myself. She’s more dictator-like and controlling.
Its important to realize that Kate is in self denial about how bad her behavior is. She has convinced herself she is not abusive and is just doing everything for the good of her family. In other words a warped state of denial.
She treated the nannies the same way. They left.
Jon looked so miserable in these clips. I'm really glad that he got out of that marriage and seems to be so much happier now and is trying to do what's best for his kids.
Making a big deal out of how he was talking in 'seasons' to dodge having to deal with the fact that she's being critical of his weight... Really awkward
Bobbie Daniel called gaslighting a narcissist trick
Notice how she bangs on broom handle with the palm of her hand as she speaks.
Honestly, how these two ever ended up together is beyond me. 😂
I thnk this is why im in toxic relationships cause i was a kid growing up watching jon & kate + 8 thinking they were a perfect family
HAHAHAH AND THEN WATCHING IT NOW FEELING SO BAD FOR THE CHILDREN AND EX HUSBAND
I'm so glad she not my mom
Julia Rose right?! I’d kill myself if she was my mom
She is an awful woman period!!
She seriously said "From! Don't forget the prepositions" She's gotta be the most difficult person to breathe around. What a cruel self serving Witch.
Sad situation when your children have to think they have to be adults and cant be children. She absolutely belittles him and says he does everything wrong. it's all about Kate and what Kate wants done.. Poor perfect Kate.. It's a shame that she birthed all these children and can't seem to handle caring for them as their mom... right Kate..
i can’t stand this woman but “you called her a fuzzy bunny?” my stomach hurts from laughing 😂
His face vs hers when kate said “this has been the easiest 4 years” really says it all
Kate was verbally caustic and abusive and thrived in putting down Jon. She has turned many of the kids against Jon and now they don't speak to him. She was more worried about losing the show and her "brand" instead of being concerned about the effect the divorce would have on her kids. Kate kept saying on the show they would continue to film as long as everyone was happy and emotionally healthy but that was a LIE. Their marriage deteriorated and Collin & Alexa later displayed behavioral problems at school. Then Hannah started running away from Kate to Jon's house to get away from her. They were NOT emotionally stable/healthy family, YET she continued her Kate + 8 show. She put money and fame a priority BEFORE the well-being of her family. She also "got rid" of Collin by sending him off and then did not show up at court for him when he was finally released from that boarding school. He probably had emotional problems from the bad divorce and his dad no longer in his life. I can go on and on about her. Kate does not deserve to be in anymore shows or to be in the spotlight.
No wonder he lost his hair 😂
The fact that she laughs after belittling him and telling him how he doesn't do enough. She is terrible!
This use to be my favorite show but I stop watching it because Kate always was talking down to Jon and the kids couldn't have fun with out her trying to control everything
There is MORE to being a good mother than just the basics. Anyone can provide food, shelter, and clothing, but not all women are capable of being loving and nurturing.
Kate has OCD and one of her tick is clearly shown as she taps on her broom with her other hand at 8:27
Quite possible, that would explain a lot of the over the top control, but there still was no excuse for her utter lack of respect for her husband.
@@eternalperspective4136 i agree with you
That poor man could never win.. if he took the initiative she complained, if he done nothing she complained. No man could live like that for long
the birthday is really telling that the children requested a "normal birthday" and not a carnival on their b-day. I quite sure these kids are craving a normal life...how sad for them. in the dictionary under the word shrew is a picture of Kate Gosselin. I'm not sure how Jon survived as long as he did with her.
I don't think they want that again. The little girls were the only allow to eat their cupcake. The boys weren't able to. The twins eat theirs behind their parents back.
20AmandaL yes I do have children and rules that you mentioned didn't apply on birthdays nor special occasions.I never "made" my kids eat,they ate what I cooked and did it everyday. they did it without "threats" of admonishment, veggies and all ,they learned that from the beginning...I wasn't a demon mother
My children where guided and directed so they could make small decisions for themselves and learn to make bigger ones as adults,without spanking without screaming like a shrewing banshee.
you on the other hand must be one of those nazi-ogre mothers who threat and spank if children do not do as told...so don't give that's what it takes to be a good parent bullshit.
+valerie rodriguez when my sister young she tell me that my mom make her eat all her food, if she don't finish it she would hit her with stick. my sister say it was not my mom fult.
this kids are lucky. when i was young i never get to eat anything that this kids get to eat and i didn't complain about it to my dad.
“They gotta graduate college”
“FROM! Don’t forget the preposition!”
“Sorry”
Brruuuuuuhhhhh what does he see in her? She acts like she’s his mom too
Yaaaas this killed me 😩 damn she is unlikeable.