yes Kate is mean and she's a flaming narcissist! Poor little Collin going through all that. It was definately child abuse. Who does stuff like that???? Apparently more than you would guess and there are quite a few people that are sadistic ughs!
@@edithnackers7127Yes that’s what I love about Jon, he’s more empathetic and willing to listen to his children. Kate on the other hand is all about order and control
It's the fact that Kate blamed Collin for having gum and getting gum on his bear when the adult in charge GAVE IT TO HIM. Like he was 3. He didn't know he wasn't allowed to have it.
Also - some kids get so attached to their stuffed animals (and Collin clearly was), that to treat their little friend like an object to throw away when it’s inconvenient is insensitive if not cruel! (Their aunt definitely shouldn’t have given them gum - that’s a choking hazard for young kids - but, like you said, the whole issue is on the adult!)
@@tkay7950 I think in the full episode she said she didn't actually throw the stuffed animal away but it's still messed up that she pretended she was going to. A safe adult offered him something and he took it... why wouldn't he? I'm not sure why the aunt gave them gum especially without watching them with it but with as annoying as Kate is and as much as Jody babysits them I could definitely see her doing it on purpose just to make Kate mad lol. She probably had no idea Kate would blame and be angry with the kids about it because who does that?
The fact that Mady who was, what, 7? at the time had more sense and emotional maturity handling that situation - recognizing it was an accident and that Kate's reaction was way too much, and trying to comfort and defend her little brother - is genuinely so embarrassing for Kate.
I WILL say that Jon continued hearing his children...especially when poor Collin sent him a desperate letter, written in crayon, pleading for his father to come rescue him from the institution his mother had thrown him in. He is now living with Jon (as is Hannah) and seems to be doing MUCH better than when he was with his Mom.
I think all of the kids are so cute but I've noticed since they were little Colin and Hannah both have unique eyes. I don't mean it in a bad way but I think it's always bothered Kate
I have a 3 year old boy whose teddy bear is his best friend. The part where she threw his bear away absolutely breaks my heart as a mother. My son would be heartbroken if he lost his bear.
@@alexispestorio1600 I always wondered if she singled him out like that because he was the one who looked the most like Jon (who she obviously hated/resented). But obviously there's no excuse for her disgusting behavior towards him..
She couldn’t stand that masculine energy. Which is why she was always emasculating Jon. Unfortunately when parents are narcissistic, a child ends up being the scapegoat. This happened to be Collin in this case. Joel was super whiny and feminine which is probably why she didn’t choose him. Aaden seemed to be not much different from Colin behavior wise, but I think Colin was more masculine than the two, even as a toddler you could see it. She just had to try to crush and ruin him like she did with Jon any chance she got. Vile woman. She’s the type of woman who wants to be the masculine one. All about control.
Yes! Maddie is likely a full-blown narcissist herself now. There's a reason she needed so much attention. And Maddie recently said awful things about Colin being violent and abusive and that's why she wants nothing to do with him. But she hasn't even seen him since he was a child. Seeing all the times Maddie hit or kicked her siblings, I think maybe she needs to review the old videos!
I'm in the medical field as well (physical therapist assistant) and I agree. Some nurses are the best, most selfless people you've ever met, and some are awful. There's a reason people talk about the "nurse to mean girl pipeline." I've worked with nurses in a nursing home who treated patients like they weren't even human.
@@maggiedkdo you mean the "mean girl to nurse" pipeline? Unfortunately, the same professions that put people in positions of trust, and really require empathy and compassion for the most vulnerable people in society, are unfortunately magnets for abusive people who are in it for the access it gives them to a supply of defenseless victims. Doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, care workers, police officers, etc.
@@maggiedkKate is a narcissist who needs control over everything and to be center of attention. She married John because she knew she could control him. You can see how much her older girls have her personality. They say horrible things about their Dad and treat him like he is a criminal.
@@bcpr9812Teachers are some of the most difficult ppl I have ever worked with. They want to be center of attention, control everything and think they don't need to follow rules.
John just looks so f&@king defeated in these episodes. You can tell he is just hanging in there for the kids… of course Kate wouldn’t let that last long. And then she was free to brainwash her kids without anyone interfering .
Can confirm that Kate was a nurse before the show started. I have a family member who worked closely with her and apparently, she was a terrible person long before she was famous lol. I also went to the same pediatric dentist as the kids and one time we were there at the same time as Kate and the twins. She cornered the dentist and talked to her for like an hour, holding up the entire office.
My mom used to love Kate plus Eight. Even back then, she recognized how awful Kate was to Colin. It was all about Kate controlling and intimidating the children. Colin wasn’t cowed by her. If this is what was shown, imagine what wasn’t.
What trips me out is how young Jon and Kate actually were. Growing up I had always thought they were in their mid to late 30s, especially since they went the fertility treatment route to have their kids. To me, that was always something older couples did after trying for years. To think that they had only tried for a few months and were in their 20s is so wild to me. I’m 29 now and can’t imagine having 8 children under the age of 10. Like..? No wonder their parenting styles were such a mess!
Wow, I had no idea either. I vaguely remember watching a few episodes back then and thought they said twins ran in Jon's family so they weren't surprised when they had the twin girls and then they were ready for another twin set but had 6 (or 7, actually, and one died? Or am I getting that wrong as well?) So they had fertility treatment even for their first set of twins when they were that young? That's pretty wild. My parents were in their early to mid 20s when they had me and my sister and weren't really ready so I waited until my mid 30s until I even thought about kids.. Now I can totally relate to Kate not wanting to go skating for fear of getting hurt 🙃They say you can avoid making the same mistakes as your parents, you'll just come up with new ones 😆
Kate has a medical condition that meant she couldn't become pregnant naturally. She had fertilized eggs inplanted. Sometimes the eggs don't develope so they usually add 2 eggs at a time to increase the chance of getting a baby, but not more than 2 because carrying more than 2 babies is risky. In Kates case they obviously added more than 2 eggs and when they all started developing the doctors asked if she and Jon wanted to abort some of them. They said no.
@virgo1986ful she seems to have had (and probably still does) really issues about men, just look at how she'll make broad, disparaging remarks that she applies to all men, and she projects those issues onto her very young sons and her husband. It's horrific.
Actually I think it's weird that both parents would go out with one child at the same time when they have 8 little children at home, and dump the other 7 with their aunt. The logical thing to me would be to take turns.
@@annaf3915 Not me. I'd take all of our children out together with my husband and have family or a trusted baby-sitter watch our kids if I had 8 and I was alone with one of them. I don't care, I wouldn't just leave them with family all the time if one of my kids needed alone time.
Hearing about how different Colin is when he's away from Kate just makes me sad. It's one thing to be the least favorite child, but imagine your mom's dislike for you being broadcast to the world.
I watched this show when I was a kid and seeing the bear scene as a child makes me so sad. Especially since reading a psychology of children book where it says ages 1-3, kids can't feel guilt and they discouraged trying to make them feel guilt as punishment at that age because it can mess them up...
She was so horrible to Jon. I watched this show from the early “ specials” they did randomly until they got their show. As ratings rose you could see the progression of Kate’s narcissistic personality and she wanted the focus to be all on her.She was mean to those boys as the years went on.I remember her calling the boys- dirty, nasty little creatures.I remember her having a meltdown about their dirty bedroom in the new mini mansion they moved into. Yelling that it was disgusting and smelled like -boys- and she wasn’t having it in HER house! Honestly it was a typical kids bedroom , I’ve seen far worse. Not long after that she hired a contractor to build a bedroom in the basement for the boys. I wonder what those boys feel like now, watching this all on film?
My younger son did this. He always threw up easily, just from climbing out of his crib and having the rails press on his stomach, from being in a car, having too much chocolate on Easter Sunday or whenever he had a fever. In his terrible twos, he learned to weaponize it. When asked to do something he hated like letting me brush his teeth or staying in his seat at the table or just when he didn't get his way, he'd start choking, sometimes just from getting upset, sometimes sticking the tooth brush or a spoon back in his throath. It took a long time to teach him he doesn't get the same amount of attention and nurturing and cuddling when he does it on purpose, and at almost 4, knock on wood, he has stopped.
That fact Joel was sick and about to vomit and he grabbed that bowl to sit and catch the vomit at 3yrs old tells me Kate's voice is already on replay in his head from her yelling and complaining about not making a mess because of her ocd or anal attitude! He's the first 3yr old I've seen prepare to vomit so he don't make a mess and have to hear kates mouth! Lmao 🤣 poor dude
Yeah but then Aunt Jodi chimes in to say that he "looks so pathetic." That's not something you say to your little nephew who is super sick with the flu.
I remember when i came across this on TV one day because i was bored, and my mom walked by and saw a part of the episode, and this was before ( Kate & Johns Divorce) she straight out said " they will Divorce before those kids are 6 " 😂😂😂 Even SHE knew how dysfunctional and unhappy they were as a couple 😂
I don't know, in this particular video Kate is spewing more venom for sure but I also feel for her when Jon just skates away from his daughters on the street and ignores bed time, knowing she's going to be the party pooper who'll call it a day. (6 o clock does seem early but when you have 8 kids that are used to getting up early, it may be time to start "evening mode" to avoid drama later on.)
“Jon Annoys me less!” lol 😂 I actually was a huge fan of this show (my teenager years) and I really always liked Jon, and I do remember admiring how much preparation that went into everything!! I’m a mom now myself and I have one boy and I always wanted him to have siblings like I did, but that won’t happen.. I am glad he gets so much attention and definitely has so much love! ❤️ and he has 3 close cousins! sorry I went on a tangent, your comment made me chuckle! 🤭 God bless!
Geez. Hearing that poor boy cry over his bear broke my heart. I've got 2 little ones and would never do something so cruel. I'm glad she didn't end up throwing it away, but that was awful!
Why is she constantly body shaming this man? Like i don't think i ever realized it growing up but i swear shes constantly shaming him and he probably has an ED because of the way she treated him sesh.
I didn’t care for how she spoke to her husband like he was one of the kids all the time. I could tell that they were headed for divorce eventually right away .
Hi Dani. I just discovered your channel last week and I am hooked. You are the only youtuber reviewing episodes of infamous TLC content and as someone who group up with the "Monday Nights are Family Nights" era, this is both nostalgic and depressing. Regardless, I love your work.
7:14 it's very clear that she doesn't love this little boy. If my boy were crying like that I would be *so sad* and I would be cleaning the gum *for* him to have his bear, not angry at him for something that's a) not a big deal and b) not his fault. this woman is a stone-cold monster.
She pushed Aunt Jody off the show. Kate didn’t like all the positive comments about Aunt Jody because it was HER show and she should be getting all the fan mail. She alienated her family members one by one. Never seen her parents on the show and only once saw Jon’s parents on the show but she tried to keep Jon away from them also.
I loved watching this show growing up with my Grandma. But we would discuss how NOT to be like Jon and Kate as a couple. She would talk to me about how partners should be to each other. Basically a how to not be a miserable wife or husband lol
You sent me into a deep dive of watching this show again 😂 I spent all week watching in disbelief that this show actually shaped my childhood lmao I swear I was like 10 watching this every day 😂 I didn’t remember Jon and Kate hating each other so much 💀
The reason she couldn't stand Collin is because when she said jump, he didn't say how high. She probably really does think Collin is the problem because her narcissism won't allow her to understand he was acting normal while she acted like a dictator.
I feel for colin. he was for sure used as the scapegoat, the black sheep, the "bad one" I experienced that. I was ALWAYS blamed and punished for my brothers bad behavior. He was the angel..the golden goose. One day at the store this woman confronted my mom. Basically telling her off for yelling at me because I was being well behaved and polite. And my brother was the one acting up. I felt SO VINDICATED in that moment. So seen and it felt amazing. Hope he can find peace for what his mom put him through with the institution stuff.
It's also interesting to remember that most people don't think about them in at all anymore, I haven't thought about this family for a couple of years until this happened to pop up in my feed due to another video I watched
I’m definitely very aware of how Jon may come off better just from our biased expectations for how ‘moms’ are supposed to be vs. ‘dads’ - though, I think part of why Kate comes off worse is that she tends to instigate the fights and has a clear need for control. Then again, women also tend to get stuck with extra responsibilities for managing their families, remembering important dates, etc., and that can look like being controlling - that is, one partner not doing their fair share can force the other partner into being the ‘bad guy’. I don’t know if this necessarily applies here (since Jon does clearly do a lot of the chores and kid-rearing), but that’s something to consider… 🤷♀️
You obviously have never had to suffer by being married to a narcissist. That "thing" - the original Karen - is a malignant narcissist and, as such, a horrible, hateful person when it is not about me, me, me!!! If you can look at this thing over the years and not realize that she has severe mental issues and is a narcissist you may want to consider why you don't see it.
Dani what you said at 7:04 made me think of what the character Z from the movie “Antz” said to Princess Bala, he said “What have you got to lose? I mean think about it, so you really wanna be Mrs. Raving Lunatic?”
I saw 2 episodes back in the first season. One of my first comments was, "they're going to change the name to Kate plus 8 except every other weekend." Yeah, it was pretty clear right at the outset that the marriage was horrible. And it was Kate that put the horror in horrible.
I remember watching the bear/gum episode when it first aired. I wasn't a mom yet, but for some reason, that particular scene with Colin crying in the kitchen always stuck out to me because how could she be so heartless. Now, my 12 year old has 'Froggy', who I'm pretty sure he'll need to have tucked in his pocket at his wedding. I'd move heaven and earth to get gum out of Froggy for him.
Collin crying and saying “My bear is my buddy”, while his mother was so cruel made me cry too and that’s extremely mild compared to the years of abuse he endured! Kate is an absolute monster but John is complicit. He should have protected his son!
My 8 year old has a teddy bear she's had since she was a baby. It's name is Cuddle Wuzzy and it is cherished. She recently had a slime incident and it got all over Cuddle Wuzzy and she was in tears thinking it was the end. I said "oh no, we will fix this. Just give Momma some time." Two weeks later and after being soaked and washed about a dozen times it was presented back to her looking brand new. This time it was happy tears from both of us. I could never fathom just throwing such a treasured comfort item away from a minor incident. Just horrible.
I watched ALL of the shows when they aired and I saw a mother who was VERY / VERY INVESTED IN THOSE KIDS and who loved them immensely! Kate was an OUTSTANDING MOTHER! I have a brother like Collin. We were raised by 2 perfect parents who loved us. But my brother makes claims that my mother was mean to him in growing up. IT NEVER HAPPENED! In fact I said to my mother many times that I felt she loved my brother more because she would go easier on him and let him get away with stuff that I could not. I think it is a way to make yourself less responsible for your actions. His girlfriend suggested he get help to get over this victim attitude and that was exactly what his psychologist told him. His girlfriend loves my mother and doesn't believe my brother. It is a SICK MENTALITY!
Jon and Kate even said in this episode--describing Collin, that he was the "orderly" one. Kate even reiterated that he is sweet and kind. That was the character that I observed when I used to watch Jon and Kate plus 8. That's why I was really surprised when I found out what Kate did to Collin.
"Cruel" is such a sweet word to describe her evil ways with the kids and John at times! What a "itch of a mother you got to be to not be empathic and caring for your little boy's favorite soothing blanket! Ughhh! I never like her stuck up attitude!
I used to love this show but now I am like. I could not be Aunt Jodi. She watches thd kids a lot. I have twins and when they were babies and toddlers it was hard enyto get a babysitter for 2
I always thought maddy was the worst behaved of the kids,bad tempered,smart mouthed, the boys were soft like dad and all the girls were screamers, and aggressive
"They hang out differently than I do" this took me straight tf out!!!!😂😂😂 I watched it like seven times istg! Thank you so much for these videos🫡 I cannot fathom the stress watching so much of Kate would produce🥴
Kate reminds me so much of my older sister. Everything my nephews did was so so much, and the “we don’t” bit ugh. My sister used to get in my nephews faces and say exactly that “we don’t do this” it’s so triggering to me and I think it’s mostly cause my sister bullied me as a kid. I think what sticks out to me the most is my sister didn’t want my nephews getting dirty. She didn’t want them playing outside, playing with paint, eating “messy” food. But for a while she would drop my oldest nephew off on Friday early evening and not come back until Sunday evening. She’d get mad about the way he was taken care of in her absence but she “needed freedom” the things she would get mad about? My mother fed him messy food like scrambled eggs or pancakes and didn’t want him to ask for them at home.
Alexis used to be the odd one out too. Since they were toddlers she always made Alexis sleep in the basement because she woke up too early 🙄 and Kate always tried to keep Hannah and Leah paired up leaving Alexis out. There’s also a clip somewhere of them being on vacation and she was going to make Alexis sleep alone and the girls had an argument over it. I guess since Hannah moved out, she and Leah grew closer.
i dont know how old kids usually are when they start using a scooter but my 20 month old nephew tries to use his sisters scooter its adorable he cant get it to move but he does get the idea of it
I feel like Kate was overwhelmed with so many kids, that would bring enough stress to anyone. Everyone dumping on her should put themselves in her shoes and go watch 8 small children for a week, ANYONE would be short tempered, stressed out etc.
as vile as the gum scene is, it is sweet how mady comforted colin. but alarming that a 7 or 8 y/o child has more emotional intelligence than a mother
Preach! 💯
The fact that even Maddy spoke up and said something shows how messed up Kate was being. Cause Maddy certainly wasn’t the nicest.
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yes Kate is mean and she's a flaming narcissist! Poor little Collin going through all that. It was definately child abuse. Who does stuff like that???? Apparently more than you would guess and there are quite a few people that are sadistic ughs!
Kate is just a miserable person. Sure, John has his faults, but IMO Kate is 1,000x worse.
Jon shows empathy, that's the big difference for me.
@@edithnackers7127Yes that’s what I love about Jon, he’s more empathetic and willing to listen to his children. Kate on the other hand is all about order and control
kate is just a nag she whines the most out of everyone. she'll start an argument about nothing
She is a hateful narcissist!!! They make horrible parents. And Kate is 100% proof!!!
@@chrispleasantablefunny how it’s so obvious now and Colin came out with his abuse stories
It's the fact that Kate blamed Collin for having gum and getting gum on his bear when the adult in charge GAVE IT TO HIM.
Like he was 3. He didn't know he wasn't allowed to have it.
Also - some kids get so attached to their stuffed animals (and Collin clearly was), that to treat their little friend like an object to throw away when it’s inconvenient is insensitive if not cruel! (Their aunt definitely shouldn’t have given them gum - that’s a choking hazard for young kids - but, like you said, the whole issue is on the adult!)
@@tkay7950 I think in the full episode she said she didn't actually throw the stuffed animal away but it's still messed up that she pretended she was going to. A safe adult offered him something and he took it... why wouldn't he? I'm not sure why the aunt gave them gum especially without watching them with it but with as annoying as Kate is and as much as Jody babysits them I could definitely see her doing it on purpose just to make Kate mad lol. She probably had no idea Kate would blame and be angry with the kids about it because who does that?
The fact that Mady who was, what, 7? at the time had more sense and emotional maturity handling that situation - recognizing it was an accident and that Kate's reaction was way too much, and trying to comfort and defend her little brother - is genuinely so embarrassing for Kate.
Even if he did know, kids do stuff they shouldn’t all the time. Kate reacts the exact way a parent shouldn’t
Kate actually threw the bear away when cameras weren't rolling Alexis mentioned it one of the seasons of Kate Plus 8.
I WILL say that Jon continued hearing his children...especially when poor Collin sent him a desperate letter, written in crayon, pleading for his father to come rescue him from the institution his mother had thrown him in. He is now living with Jon (as is Hannah) and seems to be doing MUCH better than when he was with his Mom.
I think all of the kids are so cute but I've noticed since they were little Colin and Hannah both have unique eyes. I don't mean it in a bad way but I think it's always bothered Kate
I always dislike her but now I hate her 😠
@@tanyagsw7920poor babies! They looked the most like John is what it is…
I have a 3 year old boy whose teddy bear is his best friend. The part where she threw his bear away absolutely breaks my heart as a mother. My son would be heartbroken if he lost his bear.
I feel like that’s emotional damaging to a child that small
Peanut butter gets gum out :(((
She acted like peanut butter on a Teddy bear was the literal end of the world. Talk about making mountains out of mole hills, she a psychopath
Could have just cut the gum part out of the bear toy, jeepers
At the age of 30 I would be fuming even now if my mom touched my childhood stuffy
Baby Collin is so precious 😢 how could Kate be so mean to him
The cutest 🥺 he was my fave so it’s heartbreaking to know all the things we went through
@@alexispestorio1600 I always wondered if she singled him out like that because he was the one who looked the most like Jon (who she obviously hated/resented). But obviously there's no excuse for her disgusting behavior towards him..
He was so adorable I swear
She couldn’t stand that masculine energy. Which is why she was always emasculating Jon. Unfortunately when parents are narcissistic, a child ends up being the scapegoat. This happened to be Collin in this case. Joel was super whiny and feminine which is probably why she didn’t choose him. Aaden seemed to be not much different from Colin behavior wise, but I think Colin was more masculine than the two, even as a toddler you could see it. She just had to try to crush and ruin him like she did with Jon any chance she got. Vile woman. She’s the type of woman who wants to be the masculine one. All about control.
Maddy was kicking Collin repeatedly. She has the nerve to accuse him of violence. He probably hit her back as he got older.
She probably knew her mom wouldn't care, or kicked him to try identifying w her mom bc she knew her mom disliked him.
I’ve always viewed Mady as a bratty mean girl. From the beginning she was hateful.
@@skyannebenjamin9250agreed. I couldn’t stand her. She’s like Kate.
Kate was and is a narcissist. It was obvious also that she favored Maddie, who coincidentally had Kates personality.
Exactly! On point. I noticed that, too!
Yes! Maddie is likely a full-blown narcissist herself now. There's a reason she needed so much attention. And Maddie recently said awful things about Colin being violent and abusive and that's why she wants nothing to do with him. But she hasn't even seen him since he was a child. Seeing all the times Maddie hit or kicked her siblings, I think maybe she needs to review the old videos!
Collin was a scapegoat, poor kid. Maddie sounds like a golden child.
My family used to call it “Jon and Hate Plus 8” because she was so mean
That's so awesome 😂
That is so funny 😅
I’m a nurse and 100% believe she a nurse. She seems like that nurse that you would hate to work with.
I'm in the medical field as well (physical therapist assistant) and I agree. Some nurses are the best, most selfless people you've ever met, and some are awful. There's a reason people talk about the "nurse to mean girl pipeline." I've worked with nurses in a nursing home who treated patients like they weren't even human.
@@maggiedkdo you mean the "mean girl to nurse" pipeline?
Unfortunately, the same professions that put people in positions of trust, and really require empathy and compassion for the most vulnerable people in society, are unfortunately magnets for abusive people who are in it for the access it gives them to a supply of defenseless victims. Doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers, care workers, police officers, etc.
@@maggiedkKate is a narcissist who needs control over everything and to be center of attention. She married John because she knew she could control him.
You can see how much her older girls have her personality. They say horrible things about their Dad and treat him like he is a criminal.
@@bcpr9812Teachers are some of the most difficult ppl I have ever worked with. They want to be center of attention, control everything and think they don't need to follow rules.
She definitely has the nurse's attude I know not all do but a lot of them act like Kate.
John just looks so f&@king defeated in these episodes.
You can tell he is just hanging in there for the kids… of course Kate wouldn’t let that last long. And then she was free to brainwash her kids without anyone interfering .
Can confirm that Kate was a nurse before the show started. I have a family member who worked closely with her and apparently, she was a terrible person long before she was famous lol.
I also went to the same pediatric dentist as the kids and one time we were there at the same time as Kate and the twins. She cornered the dentist and talked to her for like an hour, holding up the entire office.
Why am I not surprised?
Am I correct in remembering that the pediatric dental office they went to was originally owned by Jon’s late dad, who was a peds dentist?
She seems like a total Karen
@@SoCalJellybean I think so, though I didn’t know that until Dani recently mentioned it in a video
@@SoCalJellybeanYes. It was bought out by another dentist when he passed away.
"WE DON'T CHEW GUM WHEN WE'RE THREE!!!!!" How the hell are your three year olds supposed to know that?
She would rather yell at the kids than the adult who gave them gum because she might need to use the adult for help later
she told them in multiple episodes all the time
My mom used to love Kate plus Eight. Even back then, she recognized how awful Kate was to Colin. It was all about Kate controlling and intimidating the children. Colin wasn’t cowed by her. If this is what was shown, imagine what wasn’t.
You were so spot on now that his story came out
What trips me out is how young Jon and Kate actually were. Growing up I had always thought they were in their mid to late 30s, especially since they went the fertility treatment route to have their kids. To me, that was always something older couples did after trying for years. To think that they had only tried for a few months and were in their 20s is so wild to me. I’m 29 now and can’t imagine having 8 children under the age of 10. Like..? No wonder their parenting styles were such a mess!
Wow, I had no idea either. I vaguely remember watching a few episodes back then and thought they said twins ran in Jon's family so they weren't surprised when they had the twin girls and then they were ready for another twin set but had 6 (or 7, actually, and one died? Or am I getting that wrong as well?) So they had fertility treatment even for their first set of twins when they were that young? That's pretty wild.
My parents were in their early to mid 20s when they had me and my sister and weren't really ready so I waited until my mid 30s until I even thought about kids.. Now I can totally relate to Kate not wanting to go skating for fear of getting hurt 🙃They say you can avoid making the same mistakes as your parents, you'll just come up with new ones 😆
Yep, some have said Kate deliberately conceived multiples to get a TV show.
Kate has a medical condition that meant she couldn't become pregnant naturally. She had fertilized eggs inplanted. Sometimes the eggs don't develope so they usually add 2 eggs at a time to increase the chance of getting a baby, but not more than 2 because carrying more than 2 babies is risky. In Kates case they obviously added more than 2 eggs and when they all started developing the doctors asked if she and Jon wanted to abort some of them. They said no.
@@mena376 Wow, so they basically did the same as Octomom, only with no backlash from the public at all? Neither for their doctor? That's insane.
@@jwehope I hadn't realized this either. They were only 23 and 25 when the twins were born!
It’s weird how Kate didn’t go out with the boys she only went out with the girls
She had plenty of boys only days
Total favoritism right there! She always favored the girls, it was so obvious.
@virgo1986ful she seems to have had (and probably still does) really issues about men, just look at how she'll make broad, disparaging remarks that she applies to all men, and she projects those issues onto her very young sons and her husband. It's horrific.
Actually I think it's weird that both parents would go out with one child at the same time when they have 8 little children at home, and dump the other 7 with their aunt. The logical thing to me would be to take turns.
@@annaf3915 Not me. I'd take all of our children out together with my husband and have family or a trusted baby-sitter watch our kids if I had 8 and I was alone with one of them. I don't care, I wouldn't just leave them with family all the time if one of my kids needed alone time.
Hearing about how different Colin is when he's away from Kate just makes me sad. It's one thing to be the least favorite child, but imagine your mom's dislike for you being broadcast to the world.
There’s no way I would allow my sister or sister-in-law to dump all her kids on me while I have my own.
Man, it’s hard to hold Jon accountable because Kate is just so insufferable it’s unreal. You almost can’t blame the guy.
Whatever Jon's faults: he seems to love the kids whereas Kate doesn't seem to.
Hedging a bet here. Colin is the most observant and intelligent and knows what a jerk the mom is. Hence, Mom has to shut him up. Just me talking here.
I watched this show when I was a kid and seeing the bear scene as a child makes me so sad. Especially since reading a psychology of children book where it says ages 1-3, kids can't feel guilt and they discouraged trying to make them feel guilt as punishment at that age because it can mess them up...
Makes sense. Before age 3 all that’s there is survival instinct,
Cry when something is needed,
It’s also telling because I notice the other kids often say stuff that in a way they’re sticking up for Collin
wait throwing up on command when mad is CRAZY 😂😂😂😂
May be an anxiety thing, not so much they are mad just mislabeled anxiety.
She was so horrible to Jon. I watched this show from the early “ specials” they did randomly until they got their show. As ratings rose you could see the progression of Kate’s narcissistic personality and she wanted the focus to be all on her.She was mean to those boys as the years went on.I remember her calling the boys- dirty, nasty little creatures.I remember her having a meltdown about their dirty bedroom in the new mini mansion they moved into. Yelling that it was disgusting and smelled like -boys- and she wasn’t having it in HER house! Honestly it was a typical kids bedroom , I’ve seen far worse. Not long after that she hired a contractor to build a bedroom in the basement for the boys. I wonder what those boys feel like now, watching this all on film?
My younger son did this. He always threw up easily, just from climbing out of his crib and having the rails press on his stomach, from being in a car, having too much chocolate on Easter Sunday or whenever he had a fever. In his terrible twos, he learned to weaponize it. When asked to do something he hated like letting me brush his teeth or staying in his seat at the table or just when he didn't get his way, he'd start choking, sometimes just from getting upset, sometimes sticking the tooth brush or a spoon back in his throath. It took a long time to teach him he doesn't get the same amount of attention and nurturing and cuddling when he does it on purpose, and at almost 4, knock on wood, he has stopped.
@@annaf39152 year olds don't "weaponize" behaviors. All behavior is communication but there is no malicious intent at that age.
Kate is a classic narcissist. What did she do when the cameras weren't on? What a freak!
That fact Joel was sick and about to vomit and he grabbed that bowl to sit and catch the vomit at 3yrs old tells me Kate's voice is already on replay in his head from her yelling and complaining about not making a mess because of her ocd or anal attitude!
He's the first 3yr old I've seen prepare to vomit so he don't make a mess and have to hear kates mouth! Lmao 🤣 poor dude
Yeah but then Aunt Jodi chimes in to say that he "looks so pathetic." That's not something you say to your little nephew who is super sick with the flu.
Do you know what the definition of pathetic is ? It makes sense. @Supersoccerchic
@@RobinD106 Of course but you don't need to say it to a sick child.
I remember when i came across this on TV one day because i was bored, and my mom walked by and saw a part of the episode, and this was before ( Kate & Johns Divorce) she straight out said " they will Divorce before those kids are 6 " 😂😂😂
Even SHE knew how dysfunctional and unhappy they were as a couple 😂
I feel like Jon annoys me less because it seems like his outbursts are more rare and usually in response to Kate pushing at him. From what I recall.
I'd be snappy and angry too if I had to deal with and be married to Kate.
I don't know, in this particular video Kate is spewing more venom for sure but I also feel for her when Jon just skates away from his daughters on the street and ignores bed time, knowing she's going to be the party pooper who'll call it a day. (6 o clock does seem early but when you have 8 kids that are used to getting up early, it may be time to start "evening mode" to avoid drama later on.)
“Jon Annoys me less!” lol 😂 I actually was a huge fan of this show (my teenager years) and I really always liked Jon, and I do remember admiring how much preparation that went into everything!! I’m a mom now myself and I have one boy and I always wanted him to have siblings like I did, but that won’t happen.. I am glad he gets so much attention and definitely has so much love! ❤️ and he has 3 close cousins! sorry I went on a tangent, your comment made me chuckle! 🤭 God bless!
Agree
Kate has the ultimate “Karen” haircut ! 😂
Geez. Hearing that poor boy cry over his bear broke my heart. I've got 2 little ones and would never do something so cruel. I'm glad she didn't end up throwing it away, but that was awful!
Why is she constantly body shaming this man? Like i don't think i ever realized it growing up but i swear shes constantly shaming him and he probably has an ED because of the way she treated him sesh.
I didn’t care for how she spoke to her husband like he was one of the kids all the time. I could tell that they were headed for divorce eventually right away .
Kate = Narcissistic Bully
Maddy = A mini Kate
I’m actually cackling at Jon and Kate “hanging out in the kitchen talking”
DEFINITELY watch Kate + 8 when you get to it. VERY telling with all the stuff with Collin at that time.
Hi Dani. I just discovered your channel last week and I am hooked. You are the only youtuber reviewing episodes of infamous TLC content and as someone who group up with the "Monday Nights are Family Nights" era, this is both nostalgic and depressing. Regardless, I love your work.
7:14 it's very clear that she doesn't love this little boy. If my boy were crying like that I would be *so sad* and I would be cleaning the gum *for* him to have his bear, not angry at him for something that's a) not a big deal and b) not his fault. this woman is a stone-cold monster.
Maddie is Kate 2.0.
How do you think aunt Jody feels 😂 ah this had me laughing so hard
She pushed Aunt Jody off the show. Kate didn’t like all the positive comments about Aunt Jody because it was HER show and she should be getting all the fan mail. She alienated her family members one by one. Never seen her parents on the show and only once saw Jon’s parents on the show but she tried to keep Jon away from them also.
Colin looks so much like the dad , that’s probably one of the reasons she dislikes him. Too sad
I loved watching this show growing up with my Grandma. But we would discuss how NOT to be like Jon and Kate as a couple. She would talk to me about how partners should be to each other. Basically a how to not be a miserable wife or husband lol
It’s crazy how quickly in this season the cracks really begin to show
You sent me into a deep dive of watching this show again 😂 I spent all week watching in disbelief that this show actually shaped my childhood lmao I swear I was like 10 watching this every day 😂 I didn’t remember Jon and Kate hating each other so much 💀
@@sarahmarie3317 me too. I watched this show constantly and thought they were a great family 😳.
The reason she couldn't stand Collin is because when she said jump, he didn't say how high. She probably really does think Collin is the problem because her narcissism won't allow her to understand he was acting normal while she acted like a dictator.
Kate is really just a bully. I’m surprised how long TLC let it go on but then again money talks.
I feel for colin. he was for sure used as the scapegoat, the black sheep, the "bad one"
I experienced that. I was ALWAYS blamed and punished for my brothers bad behavior. He was the angel..the golden goose.
One day at the store this woman confronted my mom. Basically telling her off for yelling at me because I was being well behaved and polite. And my brother was the one acting up. I felt SO VINDICATED in that moment. So seen and it felt amazing.
Hope he can find peace for what his mom put him through with the institution stuff.
Kate has always had it out for Collin becuase he didn't "obey" like the rest of the kids did. So sick.
It's also interesting to remember that most people don't think about them in at all anymore, I haven't thought about this family for a couple of years until this happened to pop up in my feed due to another video I watched
Kate does not have any peace. She thinks she has to be this perfect person and thinks she’s not measuring up. Sad. Makes her super mean.
J-“Kate and I were hanging out in the kitchen talking”
J- “THE POST OFFICE IS CLOSED”
I’m definitely very aware of how Jon may come off better just from our biased expectations for how ‘moms’ are supposed to be vs. ‘dads’ - though, I think part of why Kate comes off worse is that she tends to instigate the fights and has a clear need for control. Then again, women also tend to get stuck with extra responsibilities for managing their families, remembering important dates, etc., and that can look like being controlling - that is, one partner not doing their fair share can force the other partner into being the ‘bad guy’. I don’t know if this necessarily applies here (since Jon does clearly do a lot of the chores and kid-rearing), but that’s something to consider… 🤷♀️
You obviously have never had to suffer by being married to a narcissist. That "thing" - the original Karen - is a malignant narcissist and, as such, a horrible, hateful person when it is not about me, me, me!!! If you can look at this thing over the years and not realize that she has severe mental issues and is a narcissist you may want to consider why you don't see it.
Collin probably reminds her the most of Jon
That poor baby crying over his bear! It’s not his fault!
Poor Collin & his bear!!! 😭
She is so evil!
My son is almost 4 & I would NEVER hurt him like that!
Saw how she spoke to Jon in a continued condescending manner - she rhymes with bundt.
Hey Dani, just wanna thank you for the closed caption, I have a hard time hearing. I’ve been binging your videos and the captions help so much.
I'm so happy you benefit from them! Even as a hearing person, I always prefer CC and love providing them for my viewers!!!
Dani what you said at 7:04 made me think of what the character Z from the movie “Antz” said to Princess Bala, he said “What have you got to lose? I mean think about it, so you really wanna be Mrs. Raving Lunatic?”
He’s such a little sweetie as a kid. I remember adoring him watching back then
Ahahahaha oh my lanta. I thought my daughter was the only one who made herself throw up when she gets upset 😂
I saw 2 episodes back in the first season. One of my first comments was, "they're going to change the name to Kate plus 8 except every other weekend."
Yeah, it was pretty clear right at the outset that the marriage was horrible. And it was Kate that put the horror in horrible.
I remember watching the bear/gum episode when it first aired. I wasn't a mom yet, but for some reason, that particular scene with Colin crying in the kitchen always stuck out to me because how could she be so heartless. Now, my 12 year old has 'Froggy', who I'm pretty sure he'll need to have tucked in his pocket at his wedding. I'd move heaven and earth to get gum out of Froggy for him.
As a child I thought Kate and Ellen DeGeneres were the same person! Haha
No one can blame you for that 😂
It’s funny seeing this & then seeing the accusations that Kate & Maddie made towards Collin if you ask me Kate always had it out for him.
Collin crying and saying “My bear is my buddy”, while his mother was so cruel made me cry too and that’s extremely mild compared to the years of abuse he endured! Kate is an absolute monster but John is complicit. He should have protected his son!
My 8 year old has a teddy bear she's had since she was a baby. It's name is Cuddle Wuzzy and it is cherished. She recently had a slime incident and it got all over Cuddle Wuzzy and she was in tears thinking it was the end. I said "oh no, we will fix this. Just give Momma some time." Two weeks later and after being soaked and washed about a dozen times it was presented back to her looking brand new. This time it was happy tears from both of us. I could never fathom just throwing such a treasured comfort item away from a minor incident. Just horrible.
lmao y'all wouldn't survive a week with my mother
I can't believe how insufferable Kate is. Good God. How could anyone be ok with her behavior?
I watched ALL of the shows when they aired and I saw a mother who was VERY / VERY INVESTED IN THOSE KIDS and who loved them immensely! Kate was an OUTSTANDING MOTHER! I have a brother like Collin. We were raised by 2 perfect parents who loved us. But my brother makes claims that my mother was mean to him in growing up. IT NEVER HAPPENED! In fact I said to my mother many times that I felt she loved my brother more because she would go easier on him and let him get away with stuff that I could not. I think it is a way to make yourself less responsible for your actions. His girlfriend suggested he get help to get over this victim attitude and that was exactly what his psychologist told him. His girlfriend loves my mother and doesn't believe my brother. It is a SICK MENTALITY!
Girl shut up.
Maddy really had some behavioral issues, I just knew she’d grow up and be a criminal or something, she was abusive but also super manipulative
Weird thing to say about a literal child. How are you beefing with a 7 year old at your big age?
@@marissapaige5701 she seemed to inherit her mother's personality, unfortunately.
Aunt Jodi had better been getting paid handsomely!
Jon and Kate even said in this episode--describing Collin, that he was the "orderly" one. Kate even reiterated that he is sweet and kind. That was the character that I observed when I used to watch Jon and Kate plus 8. That's why I was really surprised when I found out what Kate did to Collin.
“It’s well known Kate doesn’t like Colin” what? 🥺🥺
13:46. I don't understand how Kate can be talking about this as if *she* isn't the one who hits them
"Cruel" is such a sweet word to describe her evil ways with the kids and John at times! What a "itch of a mother you got to be to not be empathic and caring for your little boy's favorite soothing blanket! Ughhh! I never like her stuck up attitude!
I just wanna know why they got married, and had kids😭😭 I wonder if they ever liked each other.
I always look forward to seeing your videos Dani 🥰
I remember watching the show with my mom. She loved Kate and hated Jon. My mother was also very abusive.
Edit: I am also one of seven.
Them filming the kids at bath time is nastyyy work. I’d be absolutely mortified as a mom.
This made me cry, he didn't deserved to be treated like that. By his mother at that... Glad he's able to distance from all that, and healing.
Love this channel so glad I discovered it! Every video is so good 🤌
What a piece of work.
I was just thinking about your jon and Kate series! Thanks for the vids keep it up!!!
I used to love this show but now I am like. I could not be Aunt Jodi. She watches thd kids a lot. I have twins and when they were babies and toddlers it was hard enyto get a babysitter for 2
If you do decided to start doing the episode of Kate +8 that would be awesome so we can see the difference that would be really cool and
awesome
Dude Maddie was the one who needed help
I always thought maddy was the worst behaved of the kids,bad tempered,smart mouthed, the boys were soft like dad and all the girls were screamers, and aggressive
Mady is a Kate Jr
"They hang out differently than I do" this took me straight tf out!!!!😂😂😂 I watched it like seven times istg! Thank you so much for these videos🫡 I cannot fathom the stress watching so much of Kate would produce🥴
“No. *She* and Maddie. 🙄” omfg
Kate reminds me so much of my older sister. Everything my nephews did was so so much, and the “we don’t” bit ugh. My sister used to get in my nephews faces and say exactly that “we don’t do this” it’s so triggering to me and I think it’s mostly cause my sister bullied me as a kid.
I think what sticks out to me the most is my sister didn’t want my nephews getting dirty. She didn’t want them playing outside, playing with paint, eating “messy” food. But for a while she would drop my oldest nephew off on Friday early evening and not come back until Sunday evening. She’d get mad about the way he was taken care of in her absence but she “needed freedom” the things she would get mad about? My mother fed him messy food like scrambled eggs or pancakes and didn’t want him to ask for them at home.
11:44 you gagged me
The fact she chose business casual for a date night
She is horrible.
Collin was so adorable. How the heck can anyone be mean to him?!!!
Either Kate didn't know peanut butter gets gum out, or she didn't want to clean it.
Freezing helps get it out as well
you have the patience of a saint to watch this! ugh!
Alexis used to be the odd one out too. Since they were toddlers she always made Alexis sleep in the basement because she woke up too early 🙄 and Kate always tried to keep Hannah and Leah paired up leaving Alexis out. There’s also a clip somewhere of them being on vacation and she was going to make Alexis sleep alone and the girls had an argument over it. I guess since Hannah moved out, she and Leah grew closer.
I wonder if they had gotten couples counseling early on in their parenthood, maybe they would still be together?
She really needed it more though.
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i dont know how old kids usually are when they start using a scooter but my 20 month old nephew tries to use his sisters scooter its adorable he cant get it to move but he does get the idea of it
I feel like Kate was overwhelmed with so many kids, that would bring enough stress to anyone. Everyone dumping on her should put themselves in her shoes and go watch 8 small children for a week, ANYONE would be short tempered, stressed out etc.
Never stop making videos, I love this channel
KATE: Is an abusive control freak !!!!!!!!