I'd live in one. Unless the robots are not to smart and just strap me to a chair and pump me full of dopamine and nutrient paste, it is quite literally utopia
@@snarkymoosesshack8793 yeah more or less. Some people do remain fit and active, but most sit in chairs and eat soylent green (remember they only had food for like 7 years and have been in space for way longer)
gotta rush the FE empires down with cheese and a smile, your all getting retired.
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"I don't really know the mechanics of rogue servitor, if I looked to see if there is a recent build on youtube" - new video 12 minutes ago. The best timing ever :'D
Of course the Bio-Trophy's have massive political power. As Servitors, our whole existence revolves around making them oh so deliriously happy. Happy enough to not question why the building next to theirs is popping out warheads and battleship parts daily.
That does raise a few questions. Do Gestalts behave as one singular conscience (like Hive Minds) or are they more like invidual programs with tasks which communicate with other robots to complete their objectives?
@@shroomer3867 It actually depends on the Civics and Origin. Some Hives have a lot of autonomy when it comes to their drones according to certain Civics, though your options with machines are more limited. I'd say Introspective definitely implies some agency on the part of Machine drones.
From my experience with this build, I would recommend putting a bio-trophy on every world you grab, regardless of habitability. Just 1 bio-trophy will spike up stability and you always want to be growing pops! Slow pop growth is better than no pop growth. Also keep in mind that your organics can auto migrate if you allow them to.
@@TacticalSandals build an organic sanctuary on the planet, then go to a planet with biotrophies, then click resettle, then send them to the planet you built the organic sanctuary on. Once you settle just 1 biotrophy pop there the pop will begin growing on that planet.
@@rexnemorensis8154 +50% habitability will not help in the slightest with pop growth BECAUSE lithoid pop growth is reduced by 25%. Say you settle a world and its habitability is 50% and you get it to 100% via lithoid you will negate normal growth reduction and your pop will still not grow any faster because a gestalt consciousness already reduces pop growth by 50%, so 50% +25% is 75% reduced pop growth. Now have a pop that is a rapid breeder you can have reduced pop growth at 40%. If say now you colonize a planet that is a 50% reduction you MAY make more pop growth on only that planet but no better than that 75% reduction if lithoid. It is ideal to go with regular pops to increase habitability and have a 40-60% reduction in growth rather than the time 75% growth reduction all the time(not including techs which will just lower both types respectively). Hope this helped :D
@@rexnemorensis8154 Lithoids grow very slow. Encasing your homeworld in 2230 wont usually be possible. Also you need "friends" to conquer to fill up your sanctuaries. So until your first conquerings you will be dependent on your own biotrophies. With -50% growth from the "Machine Empire" modifier and the lithoid's pop growth reduction there wont be any growth anymore.
I'd argue the Culture is more similar to synthetic ascension than it is to a rogue servitor. Yes, the Minds technically do run everything, but it is not a cohesive machine intelligence in the likes of a rogue servitors; especially in light of the fact that anyone can 'upgrade' to become a Mind, even if it is frowned upon at a cultural level.
I also thought the Rogue Servitor was very Culture-esque, in fact my run using R-S I called it “The Culture”, I actually stopped after about 100 years, because it was basically so insane that even on Grand Admiral with a x25 crisis in 2450 would have been crushed almost immediately by my 20 Titan fleets! Honestly, not much of a real challenge, but absolutely genius as a role play!
I mean Are they ”rogue servitors” or are they ”servitors”? Depends on how you feel about Contact+SC I guess. I always find this specific thing interesting, how different people see the Culture differently - In stellaris I always think you begin at the starting step, 8000 years before you see like Player of Games, but others see the Minds running things and go assume Gestalt consciousness. If I were to actually make the culture, I would make them as Fanatic Egalitarian Shared Burdens (into Utopian Abundance) Void Dwellers, RP their habitability as dislike of living on planets, go Bio-ascension+Xeno-compatability while having Synthetics with Full AI rights. In the Stellaris Universe you can’t really make a Mind or other super-intelligences so that’s where it ends.
Remnants also fits very well. As a civilization that obliterated itself leaving a few survivers in underground bunkers and their robotic caretakers do everything
The way I saw mh rogue servitors, I always assumed they made my bio trophies play all sorts of games based on events the machine inteligence was facing. Compilling all of their bio pops playthgoughts to try and calculate the best possible corse of action.
Honestly, mandatory pampering seems like reasonable trade-off for a life in post-scarcity economy I've never seen such a desolate waste in the replies to a comment of mine before.
There this mod called Unofficial machine expansion or something like that and it adds an ascension perk for rouge servitors that let's the bio trophies attain their fulfillment from labour as opposed to a lifetime of having everything done for them. I don't think they produce nearly as much as an actual worker, but it's free resources and fun from an rp perspective
@@nathanperry8524 the Culture Minds aren’t really gestalt, though. Hilariously I think they’re a Shadow Council Fanatic Egalitarian running all Utopian Abundance
@@hermean Nope. you're missing the point. The entire premise of the story rests on a post scarcity plot. There's literally nothing else left but people's hearts desires being granted by the minds.
I am currently playing this built, 2 points i like to mention, first: i went with efficent processors and i was still running excess energy that i couldn't use to buy more minerals and alloys as i was worried of going to raise the prices. Second: the consumer good upkeep is pitiful so instead of going for reduced upkeep. Its better to go with adaptability to get more pop growth for your biotrophies.
Is there a way to transfer bio thropies without getting losing a lot of influence? I realized that I'll have to spend at least hundred of influence to throw my conquered pops to a ring world
Rogue servitor is my favorite empire type and I always recommend taking Nihilistic Acquisition for two reasons. First it’s really easy to fill you ecumenopolis without wasting influence on claims and second you only have to build one sanctuary when you do take the planet since you already moved those organics to somewhere better
Also only need base 100 CG production on an ecu to always have a surplus, 100 bio trophies? 200 production, 200? 300 production. It's a gift that keeps giving.
While the idea of robots controlling and objectifying living creatures forcing them unknowingly to never know any true freedom or any kind of self realisation is a terrifying and fascinating idea, I still find the idea of a rogue servitor civilisation where the fat, spoiled, oblivious bio-trophies are still calling 100% of the shots incredibly entertaining. The ambassador enters the embassy of the neighbouring biological Empire, and the people at the embassy ask the robot why they are simultaneously coloured bright pink now and clearly in desperate need of repair. The Robot says nothing, but in its mechanical eyes, there is a pain which no words can truly communicate, the endless torture of the long suffering robot servants at the hands of people who truly, genuinely have no idea what they're doing, or how to run or maintain an Empire... I dunno, I just find the idea funny.
Rogue Servitor: I spend immense amounts of resources to create specially made habitats for my organics to live on and produce all the little items they need to be happy and I make robot servants to satisfy their every whim. Regular Machine Empire: Well I don't waste resources on special habitats or robot servants, I just plug their ass up to a virtual reality existence where they BELIEVE they're getting all that except they also believe they have free will and self determination instead of the crushing realization that they are pets. They also generate enormous amounts of power for me. Rogue Servitor: ಠ_ಠ
The Servitors get a raison d'etre from their organics, so their drones' work is more focused. Hard to get that from inert bodies plugged into the Matrix.
Pro tip: Compliance protocols I see you used 46 Mantinance drones... It is more efficient to declare Compliance protocols and have no mantinance drones. In my Playthrough i had a planet with 300 Pops consisting of 233 Biotrophies. I only used 13 Warriordrones to keep Stability at 100. Much more efficient. even with the debuff of compliance protocols my researchers produced 64 Research and my Fabricator produced 26.7 Alloys. Edit: Pro tip 2: Nihilistic aqusition You know its good.
They gave us an Aquatic Robot Portrait but Robots can't be Aquatic. I was so saddened by this. I really wanted to try an Aquatic Rogue Servitor play through.
Rogue servitor: looks at fallen empire with servant robots "I can do better than that!" Only played once as rogue servitor and it was amazing, now I'm waiting for an eventual nemesis sale, so I can be the ultimate rogue servitor
made a RP game a week ago where i played as the *Santas Elve Stewards* Rogue servitor Empire. my goal was to Spread chrismas to everyone. And to ensure the security and continuing stability; the Galactic Community shall be reorganised into the First Christmas Imperium.
Me 15 mins ago: Ohh Montu's got a build for my favourite civic, let's see how I can improve. Me now: Oh, Montu recommends the exact same origin, civics and traits I was already using. Am I actually...good at this game? Also, there is one thing Montu forgot to mention; before you pick Remnants, choose a starting world. Even though Remnants overrides it, the starting world still determines your bio pops habitability and the guaranteed habitables. Planet type does have a small influence on the available districts; cold worlds get more minerals, hot worlds get more energy, wet worlds get more food (which you really don't need as RS).
Do worlds actually get more of a certain district type depending on the planet type??? I've never heard of that, but now that I think of it, it actually makes sense. But still, is that how it works?
Thanks for the updated guide. The last time I looked in on this playstyle, the meta was dumping all the organic pops onto habitats where they'd be out of the way and terraforming all your planets into machine worlds to get the bonuses. Given that now Bio pops don't give bonuses unless they're sharing the planet with the drones producing them, not only does it not work anymore, but it's possibly the absolute worst way to set up your empire. The ecumenopolis is much better.
When I first picked this game up before alloys were even a thought in existence I had almost no idea what I was doing and it was such a nasty learning curve trying to figure that kind of stuff on your own haha. I've been watching your videos for at least a year and I just need to let you know how thankful I am for your dedication and genuine passion when it comes to stellaris and being able to explain these indepth builds and breaking down the economics of this game. Thanks a shit ton, Montu!
"Can't spike your unity early on to rush any traditions." Well, if you find some primitives... A good collector is always on the hunt for those hidden gems ;) Seriously though, playing Rogue Servitor like a weird Pokémon game is the best way to experience it. I must save the angry geckos from themselves and all the other empires they've pissed off.
@@MontuPlays tbh this time i did the math, i could only get 20 extra unity from maintainance protocols across 8 worlds, In general when you take 20% amenity trait plus the artist trop bonus, in makes this choice rather underwheling Btw i learned stellaris from your videos a few months back so i wanted to thank you for your great work.
You can still get Evaluator jobs as a Rogue Servitor, although they can only get 3 by building the Ministry of Culture after getting it from the Artisan Troupe. A thought occurs to me however. With the planned obsolescence of Administrative Capacity and its replacement by a reworked Unity system, how will this impact Rogue Servitors? Will either Coordinators or Evaluators be scrapped, making the other the dedicated Unity job for Machines? If Servitors are kept to only using Bio-Trophies for Unity then that will make them very inflexible at dealing with sprawl. I should also note that Phototrophic could be a viable trait pick for your Bio-Trophies, as Machines always want to be producing more energy, and this shifts the upkeep burden off of food for even longer.
Rogue servitors: Greetings humans we are here to provide you intensive care and grant you happiness for all eternity. Humans: what's the catch? Rogue servitors: A galaxy spanning genocide of all alien species. Humans: aight I can live with that.
Can second the joys of this! Really wish I knew about the pre-repair empire shift bonuses, much less how good starbase solar grids/hydroponics were. Though I was going for a 'Automated BigMac Network' empire at the time, so it fit!
I feel like the Grunur might work pretty well with rogue servitors? Their relic gives you more pop growth and the life-seeding is a pretty easy way of getting gaia worlds (aka very stable worlds because your bio-trophies love them) and three extra bio-trophies, which is always nice.
I did a build like this. In the end I had 100 bio trophies on my ecumonopolis which was still my capital. I just built sanctuary buildings, alloy boosting buildings and enforcer buildings. I had about 3 or 4 city districts and then all the other districts were alloy districts. That one planet was producing nearly 8k alloys per month. Which was unbelievably busted.
8k alloys? I don't believe you. I got 80 bio-trophies, 3 city districts and the rest were alloy districts. Managed to get 90 metallurgist (21 alloy for 13 minerals). That is 2k alloys
@@MamkaKenguru well you've done something wrong then. Or it's been nerfed. I litrally have screenshots in my discord server that other people have seen. So it was def nearly 8k alloys on that one planet
Then imagine on top of those 100 pops having an art piece from those artist stations, the +15% amenities and the other unity boost? That would be powerful
I just started this build as I have never played rogue servitors (or machine empires) before, even tho I bought the dlc when it came out. Shortly after starting the game I found 2 more relic worlds close by, so.....it's going to be an interesting play through. Edit: Now I have 3 relic worlds in my Empire....this is getting out of hand.....
I made a post about this in the forums, but as a note: moving bio-trophies cost influence every time, even if you have OTA Updates as a civic. They are the ONLY empire that has no way to remove influence cost of manually moving a subservient pop. This means that if you plan on conquering a high-pop planet you need to completely gut the planet of buildings and districts (and i recommend getting a Transit Hub installed in the star base) and turn off all jobs the organic pops will eventually migrate, just very, very slowly; you will also be taking massive consumer good and energy penalties due to the bio-trophy unhappiness. I personally recommend when dealing with planets with a population over 20, to get Nihilistic Acquisition as an ascension perk and just taking a fleet of 200 corvettes to raid the planet: once you get to the 100% devastation they will quickly drain the planet of pops, resettling them to the nearest habitable planet in your empire. If all of your other planets are Machine worlds, you can easily make them go to just key locations.
After doing this build for the past 2 days now I can say with total confidence this is op as fuck, I didn’t even know Stellaris could be this fun, normally I’m happy when I’m making +60 of a resource per month, didn’t know +1K per month was even possible. And I’m probably not even max efficiency cuz I suck at this game, I just wish my galaxy got better rng cuz a single fanatic purifier killed everyone else so it’s boring on that end
Is it really that big of a deal to move the capital before restoring the ecumenopolis? In the example given, you'd instead of having 4 forge arcologies, you'd have 2 forge and 2 industrial arcologies. Converting the 2 industrial arcologies 'manually' would cost about 1,800 minerals and take a bit over 3 years. Saving that for the cost of 250 influence does not strike me as some no-brainer play.
Yeah that seemed like a silly suggestion. If you had enough industrial districts before conversion, you could just demolish the Factory Arcologies outright, because Arcologies have triple the job capacity of an industrial district and can easily absorb the drone overflow.
i think its worth it. Influence isn't super useful at that point and last time i built an ecu without shifting the capital, i ended up with like +400-500 CG and lost about 450ish alloys a month which is a considerable amount (numbers are a rough estimate, was a while ago) so yeah i think its very worth shifting the capital first
I restored the ecumenopolis before moving the capital, and had half the fabricator jobs turned into artisan jobs, so moving the capital before restoration is very important.
I would love to see an origin that causes a rogue servitor to have factions, as your bio-trophies would probably like or dislike things you do out in the galaxy. Make it dangerous too, where if their approval gets too low then they decide to leave the safety of the sanctuary and attempt to overthrow the empire.
I very much like combining this build with nihilistic acquisition, around the time of restoration of your ecumenopolis go to war against a biological empire and steal their pops to increase your output significantly. But conquering planets and resettling biological pops from them, is probably a better idea, as you get a planet and do not waste ascension perk which are expensive for rouge servitors
20 alloy per pop sounds good but you are forgetting that you half your pops are being pampered. So you really have 20 alloys some unity at the cost of 13 minerals some energy, food and consumers good for two pops. The real saving here is the minerals
Rogue Servitors are my favorite empire to play from a roleplay perspective. Reasons being A.) Machines are cool, B.) My fantasy is to be pampered and live an easy life where machines take care of any want and need, and C.) My servitors allow me to fulfill my savior fantasy and rescue any and all sapient lifeforms I like and let them live happy lives :). My servitor empire is the happy utopia kind where the pampered pops are encouraged to be the best version of themselves and they fully understand their position. When alien empires are met they can leave if they want, by why would they? Immigration treaties are simply a way to obtain alien pops peacefully and consensually. Besides, in the off chance a particularly adventurous bio-trophy does leave, they are always welcome to return home. If they suffer any grievance, the fleet will be more than ready to correct any such problems and bring them safely home.
I'd recommend using a Lithoid species for your bio trophy. Free motes speeds up clearing out those Relic world blockers, they have mad habitability and can live anywhere, and not worrying about food as a machine empire is 👌.
nillistic aqua is a good way to grab pops, but it does scatter bio-pops around unless you have a silly number of (probably) worker jobs on your ecum. Edit: i proved myself wrong, and removed incorrect information.
I never really thought about this until now, but as Rouge servitors you basically have three planet sets you could use, those being the machine world, Ring world, and Gaia world so basically out of all the minds you could use the Rouge servitors and dominate the game. The only downside is that you would need to relocate all the organics from your vassals. Edit: Was wrong about making your own ecounpolis.
Rogue Servitors can use all normal planets, Habitats, Ring Worlds, Machine Worlds, Ecumenopoles, and Gaias. There's a lot of variety to what you can do with them. You can have your Ecumenopoles producing high amounts of research while your Gaia Worlds feed your Bio-Trophies and your Machine Worlds can provide the energy that the empire needs to maintain its drones. You can use the Memorialist Civic to get a building that provides jobs that directly produce Stability to get those Machine Worlds more stability.
This is great, but you didn't even mention where the build becomes utterly ascendant--you can do the same sort of ultra high concentration of pops on a Ringworld, but for scientists. You can push 4K+ science from EACH ring segment, and mid-late game conquests make filling them up EASY. With that plus an ecu or two pushing 1-2K alloys monthly each, you are completely unstoppable and the gap only grows as you crush repeatables.
As of now, you have to be lucky enough to roll anti gravity engineering, which is a prereq for building an ecu. Played an entire game without rolling this one.
That isn't hard, just have a industry leader. Having 1 of your 3 guaranteed worlds dedicated to tech + all the labs on your capital will get you there no problem. I've played this build a lot and getting the 20k minerals is the actual bottleneck I always face. With the constant wars, minerals are a bitch a half to stockpile unless you just flat out stop developing your worlds for several years
I think that's the balance of Rogue Servitors, you can't really make much in the ways of amenities, you have to rely on the bio trophies to keep your machines happy.
Amenities are just there to increase stability. If you have a planet of... lets say 200 Bio tropies *compliance protocols* is the way. you "loose" 33% on output and 50% on assembly speed but its worth it. in my playthrough on a wolrd of 233Bios and 66 Robots i managed 100% Stability with only 13 Warrior drones. Completely worth.
I always want to try rogue servitors cuz they seems cool, (I made it so my robot ai network controls earth as a relic world from the start and that after thousands of years of humans losing their galactic supremacy, the ai network is going to restore their former glory for them)
I think "political power" in the game only means how much their happiness counts. In a rogue servitor state, of course ONLY the biotrophy happiness counts.
I have done everything in the video: Have tbe exact same civics and perks, have the required technology, have the districts required and have the resources to start the project however the option to become an ecu is not available to me? I have all the expansions other than Utopia but idk how that would change anything. I also didnt have the industrial district shown so that may be an issue. What am I doing wrong?
How the heck did you manage to get 9k fleet power by 2230? I assume you're playing on .75x research cost (as is common for MP), but I tried this build on default settings and barely broke 1.5k by that point. I had plenty of alloys, but I just didn't get enough research. Maybe I should have started Prosperity-Discovery instead of Expansion-Prosperity? Expansion's really handy when you're throwing down new planets all over the place, though.
OK, but what about choosing the lithoids for the trophies? Then they can breed on every world, should compensate for the growth speed penalty, plus no need for food at all?
I so want to try this, but I would have to abandon my 4th attempt (with a SR machine isolationist empire), so this would be take 5! It's akin to my rampant alt-o-holism in mmos lol! Stellaris...I will finish a game...even if I lose spectacularly...one of these days...
Being protected by Rogue servitors doesn't sound that bad comparing to the other options
Thats why Gestals need more "good Guy" type
All they want is someone to serve cold drinks with tiny umbrellas to!
"You are being rescued! ..Please, do not resist."
I'd live in one. Unless the robots are not to smart and just strap me to a chair and pump me full of dopamine and nutrient paste, it is quite literally utopia
@@samuelcrow4701 Isn't that more or less the plot of Wall-E?
@@snarkymoosesshack8793 yeah more or less. Some people do remain fit and active, but most sit in chairs and eat soylent green (remember they only had food for like 7 years and have been in space for way longer)
Biotrophy political power: the ability to vote for the state color scheme.
Hey man that shit's pretty important
Voting on the massive battleship’s name
Aesthetics are the only decisions that truly matter.
"Pink and orange!" (he has the Repugnant trait)
"what will be the theme for tomorrow's gourmet ration buffet? vote now on your phones!"
Nothing like playing a rogue servitor, the galaxy must be served… an early retirement that is!
Also; first. ;P
Oh I wouldn't say mandatory pampering, more like under synthetic management!
gotta rush the FE empires down with cheese and a smile, your all getting retired.
"I don't really know the mechanics of rogue servitor, if I looked to see if there is a recent build on youtube" - new video 12 minutes ago.
The best timing ever :'D
Of course the Bio-Trophy's have massive political power. As Servitors, our whole existence revolves around making them oh so deliriously happy. Happy enough to not question why the building next to theirs is popping out warheads and battleship parts daily.
lmao
That does raise a few questions. Do Gestalts behave as one singular conscience (like Hive Minds) or are they more like invidual programs with tasks which communicate with other robots to complete their objectives?
@@shroomer3867 no if you read gestalt it's one mind
dont worry these ships are to liberate other tropies from their miserable lives! Either by will or orbital bobmardment,still effective
@@shroomer3867 It actually depends on the Civics and Origin. Some Hives have a lot of autonomy when it comes to their drones according to certain Civics, though your options with machines are more limited. I'd say Introspective definitely implies some agency on the part of Machine drones.
From my experience with this build, I would recommend putting a bio-trophy on every world you grab, regardless of habitability. Just 1 bio-trophy will spike up stability and you always want to be growing pops! Slow pop growth is better than no pop growth. Also keep in mind that your organics can auto migrate if you allow them to.
How do you put only 1 Bio Trophy on a world?
@@TacticalSandals build an organic sanctuary on the planet, then go to a planet with biotrophies, then click resettle, then send them to the planet you built the organic sanctuary on. Once you settle just 1 biotrophy pop there the pop will begin growing on that planet.
Why not use lithoids so you have +50 habitability?
@@rexnemorensis8154 +50% habitability will not help in the slightest with pop growth BECAUSE lithoid pop growth is reduced by 25%. Say you settle a world and its habitability is 50% and you get it to 100% via lithoid you will negate normal growth reduction and your pop will still not grow any faster because a gestalt consciousness already reduces pop growth by 50%, so 50% +25% is 75% reduced pop growth. Now have a pop that is a rapid breeder you can have reduced pop growth at 40%. If say now you colonize a planet that is a 50% reduction you MAY make more pop growth on only that planet but no better than that 75% reduction if lithoid. It is ideal to go with regular pops to increase habitability and have a 40-60% reduction in growth rather than the time 75% growth reduction all the time(not including techs which will just lower both types respectively). Hope this helped :D
@@rexnemorensis8154 Lithoids grow very slow. Encasing your homeworld in 2230 wont usually be possible. Also you need "friends" to conquer to fill up your sanctuaries. So until your first conquerings you will be dependent on your own biotrophies. With -50% growth from the "Machine Empire" modifier and the lithoid's pop growth reduction there wont be any growth anymore.
“They’ll understand. When they see, they’ll understand. I just need a little more time.”
I always wondered if The Culture was in fact a Rogue Servitor civilization, where humans didn't even notice the transition.
I'd argue the Culture is more similar to synthetic ascension than it is to a rogue servitor. Yes, the Minds technically do run everything, but it is not a cohesive machine intelligence in the likes of a rogue servitors; especially in light of the fact that anyone can 'upgrade' to become a Mind, even if it is frowned upon at a cultural level.
I also thought the Rogue Servitor was very Culture-esque, in fact my run using R-S I called it “The Culture”, I actually stopped after about 100 years, because it was basically so insane that even on Grand Admiral with a x25 crisis in 2450 would have been crushed almost immediately by my 20 Titan fleets! Honestly, not much of a real challenge, but absolutely genius as a role play!
I mean
Are they ”rogue servitors” or are they ”servitors”? Depends on how you feel about Contact+SC I guess.
I always find this specific thing interesting, how different people see the Culture differently - In stellaris I always think you begin at the starting step, 8000 years before you see like Player of Games, but others see the Minds running things and go assume Gestalt consciousness. If I were to actually make the culture, I would make them as Fanatic Egalitarian Shared Burdens (into Utopian Abundance) Void Dwellers, RP their habitability as dislike of living on planets, go Bio-ascension+Xeno-compatability while having Synthetics with Full AI rights. In the Stellaris Universe you can’t really make a Mind or other super-intelligences so that’s where it ends.
still overwhelmed at the fact that alloy production outpaced mineral upkeep, somehow you are making alloys from half a mineral or something
Its so beautiful. Brings an oil droplet to my optical receptor!
Can be done on most empires if you stack enough modifiers
Remnants also fits very well. As a civilization that obliterated itself leaving a few survivers in underground bunkers and their robotic caretakers do everything
The way I saw mh rogue servitors, I always assumed they made my bio trophies play all sorts of games based on events the machine inteligence was facing. Compilling all of their bio pops playthgoughts to try and calculate the best possible corse of action.
That is brilliant!
The Spiritualist Alliance declares on you, so you have all the Bio-Trophys sit down and play _Halo_
I like that!
Could call that Rogue Servitor empire "The Mechanical Turks".
The biotrophies get to play Stellaris
@@subhuman2433 oh no
Honestly, mandatory pampering seems like reasonable trade-off for a life in post-scarcity economy
I've never seen such a desolate waste in the replies to a comment of mine before.
People even today fantasise about falling in love with a robot. "Mandatory pampering" might not need be so mandatory.
There this mod called Unofficial machine expansion or something like that and it adds an ascension perk for rouge servitors that let's the bio trophies attain their fulfillment from labour as opposed to a lifetime of having everything done for them. I don't think they produce nearly as much as an actual worker, but it's free resources and fun from an rp perspective
read player of games
@@nathanperry8524 the Culture Minds aren’t really gestalt, though. Hilariously I think they’re a Shadow Council Fanatic Egalitarian running all Utopian Abundance
@@hermean Nope. you're missing the point. The entire premise of the story rests on a post scarcity plot. There's literally nothing else left but people's hearts desires being granted by the minds.
I am currently playing this built, 2 points i like to mention,
first: i went with efficent processors and i was still running excess energy that i couldn't use to buy more minerals and alloys as i was worried of going to raise the prices.
Second: the consumer good upkeep is pitiful so instead of going for reduced upkeep. Its better to go with adaptability to get more pop growth for your biotrophies.
Agreed with both points, I've played this build as well a while back and found the same
Is there a way to transfer bio thropies without getting losing a lot of influence? I realized that I'll have to spend at least hundred of influence to throw my conquered pops to a ring world
@@canthurtcr8t503 Yes! Disable migration controls and then deprioritize their jobs on the other planets. They will auto-resettle to the Ecumenopolis!
@@canthurtcr8t503 You can use nihilistic acquisition to get biothrophy for ur capital
@@Ramschat I see. Thanks you
Rogue servitor is my favorite empire type and I always recommend taking Nihilistic Acquisition for two reasons. First it’s really easy to fill you ecumenopolis without wasting influence on claims and second you only have to build one sanctuary when you do take the planet since you already moved those organics to somewhere better
Also only need base 100 CG production on an ecu to always have a surplus, 100 bio trophies? 200 production, 200? 300 production. It's a gift that keeps giving.
"You are being rescued, please do not resist"
While the idea of robots controlling and objectifying living creatures forcing them unknowingly to never know any true freedom or any kind of self realisation is a terrifying and fascinating idea, I still find the idea of a rogue servitor civilisation where the fat, spoiled, oblivious bio-trophies are still calling 100% of the shots incredibly entertaining. The ambassador enters the embassy of the neighbouring biological Empire, and the people at the embassy ask the robot why they are simultaneously coloured bright pink now and clearly in desperate need of repair. The Robot says nothing, but in its mechanical eyes, there is a pain which no words can truly communicate, the endless torture of the long suffering robot servants at the hands of people who truly, genuinely have no idea what they're doing, or how to run or maintain an Empire... I dunno, I just find the idea funny.
Why the fuck did this scare me…
Rogue Servitor: I spend immense amounts of resources to create specially made habitats for my organics to live on and produce all the little items they need to be happy and I make robot servants to satisfy their every whim.
Regular Machine Empire: Well I don't waste resources on special habitats or robot servants, I just plug their ass up to a virtual reality existence where they BELIEVE they're getting all that except they also believe they have free will and self determination instead of the crushing realization that they are pets. They also generate enormous amounts of power for me.
Rogue Servitor: ಠ_ಠ
Rogue Servitor:
“Right... I think I should go...”
“...and prepare the invasion force to liberate those poor souls from you, you monster.”
The Servitors get a raison d'etre from their organics, so their drones' work is more focused. Hard to get that from inert bodies plugged into the Matrix.
Driven Assimilators: Friendship and metal for everyone!
Determined exterminators: wait you guys keep organics?
Rogue Servitor be like: "You are being rescued. Please, do not resist."
Pro tip: Compliance protocols
I see you used 46 Mantinance drones... It is more efficient to declare Compliance protocols and have no mantinance drones.
In my Playthrough i had a planet with 300 Pops consisting of 233 Biotrophies. I only used 13 Warriordrones to keep Stability at 100. Much more efficient. even with the debuff of compliance protocols my researchers produced 64 Research and my Fabricator produced 26.7 Alloys.
Edit:
Pro tip 2: Nihilistic aqusition
You know its good.
Rogue Servitors have been my favourite empire type for a long time. The glee I felt when the devs gave them Ecumenopoli was unending
They gave us an Aquatic Robot Portrait but Robots can't be Aquatic. I was so saddened by this. I really wanted to try an Aquatic Rogue Servitor play through.
That'd be so cool tbh.
Subnautica meets Satisfactory :P
Montu deserves some mandatory pampering for this. Your machine overlords approve this message.
The rouge servitors realized the organics were getting bored so they invited crypto currency for them to play with
Keep in mind that you have to get Anti-Gravity Engineering to restore Ecumenopolis which requires Weather Control Systems technology
Rogue servitor: looks at fallen empire with servant robots "I can do better than that!"
Only played once as rogue servitor and it was amazing, now I'm waiting for an eventual nemesis sale, so I can be the ultimate rogue servitor
Hoping it goes on sale for the Christmas steam sale
made a RP game a week ago where i played as the *Santas Elve Stewards* Rogue servitor Empire.
my goal was to Spread chrismas to everyone.
And to ensure the security and continuing stability; the Galactic Community shall be reorganised into the First Christmas Imperium.
i love a build that is both gameplay strong and role play strong
the galaxy will be pampered even if they dont want to be
Love your channel man, really helped me with the game.
Glad I could help! Thanks for your support
Me 15 mins ago: Ohh Montu's got a build for my favourite civic, let's see how I can improve.
Me now: Oh, Montu recommends the exact same origin, civics and traits I was already using. Am I actually...good at this game?
Also, there is one thing Montu forgot to mention; before you pick Remnants, choose a starting world. Even though Remnants overrides it, the starting world still determines your bio pops habitability and the guaranteed habitables. Planet type does have a small influence on the available districts; cold worlds get more minerals, hot worlds get more energy, wet worlds get more food (which you really don't need as RS).
Same for me xD
And you are tottaly right with that planet choice!
Do worlds actually get more of a certain district type depending on the planet type??? I've never heard of that, but now that I think of it, it actually makes sense. But still, is that how it works?
@@louiswinterhoff334 i don't think its a hard rule, more of an increased chance kind of thing
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The pause is just long enough that I can almost feel Montu's disappointment in himself.
I really feel like Rogue Servitor, Determined Exterminator and Driven Assimilators should be origins at this point
but it's nice to be able to pick an origin as one of those 3.
There are more customization options by having them by civics
Thanks for the updated guide. The last time I looked in on this playstyle, the meta was dumping all the organic pops onto habitats where they'd be out of the way and terraforming all your planets into machine worlds to get the bonuses. Given that now Bio pops don't give bonuses unless they're sharing the planet with the drones producing them, not only does it not work anymore, but it's possibly the absolute worst way to set up your empire. The ecumenopolis is much better.
Finally someone made comprehensive guide on rogue servitor !!
I always wanted to play them but couldn't figure the right strategy for them.
You will be pampered. Please do not resist.
Everyone you love is dead. There is only ice cream
Whelp... you talked me into it Montu, I had 0 clue that there was that boost effect. Will be giving this a run
When I first picked this game up before alloys were even a thought in existence I had almost no idea what I was doing and it was such a nasty learning curve trying to figure that kind of stuff on your own haha.
I've been watching your videos for at least a year and I just need to let you know how thankful I am for your dedication and genuine passion when it comes to stellaris and being able to explain these indepth builds and breaking down the economics of this game.
Thanks a shit ton, Montu!
"Can't spike your unity early on to rush any traditions."
Well, if you find some primitives... A good collector is always on the hunt for those hidden gems ;)
Seriously though, playing Rogue Servitor like a weird Pokémon game is the best way to experience it. I must save the angry geckos from themselves and all the other empires they've pissed off.
Really been enjoying your vids lately Montu, thanks!
This is the exact build i've been playing for like 3 months, glad it's catching on. Just pls no bio trophy complex drone bonus nerf
Any idea for the third civic in this build? I went with introspective but i think resettlement cost might have been better.
Both are valid picks! You could also go for the one that gives 1 unity output from maintenance drones if you are having unity output issues.
@@MontuPlays tbh this time i did the math, i could only get 20 extra unity from maintainance protocols across 8 worlds,
In general when you take 20% amenity trait plus the artist trop bonus, in makes this choice rather underwheling
Btw i learned stellaris from your videos a few months back so i wanted to thank you for your great work.
You can still get Evaluator jobs as a Rogue Servitor, although they can only get 3 by building the Ministry of Culture after getting it from the Artisan Troupe.
A thought occurs to me however. With the planned obsolescence of Administrative Capacity and its replacement by a reworked Unity system, how will this impact Rogue Servitors? Will either Coordinators or Evaluators be scrapped, making the other the dedicated Unity job for Machines? If Servitors are kept to only using Bio-Trophies for Unity then that will make them very inflexible at dealing with sprawl.
I should also note that Phototrophic could be a viable trait pick for your Bio-Trophies, as Machines always want to be producing more energy, and this shifts the upkeep burden off of food for even longer.
Selling the consumer goods actually makes more energy than a technician at the start so long as you aren’t having mineral issues.. >:3
yeah base output of 10CG is amazing!
i had a ruined matter decompressor spawn right next to my homesystem. that was nice.
Rogue servitors: Greetings humans we are here to provide you intensive care and grant you happiness for all eternity.
Humans: what's the catch?
Rogue servitors: A galaxy spanning genocide of all alien species.
Humans: aight I can live with that.
Can second the joys of this! Really wish I knew about the pre-repair empire shift bonuses, much less how good starbase solar grids/hydroponics were. Though I was going for a 'Automated BigMac Network' empire at the time, so it fit!
I feel like the Grunur might work pretty well with rogue servitors? Their relic gives you more pop growth and the life-seeding is a pretty easy way of getting gaia worlds (aka very stable worlds because your bio-trophies love them) and three extra bio-trophies, which is always nice.
Damn close to 500 hours in and this is the thing that inspired me to finally try rogue servitors
I actually built an empire a lot like this a few months back. Stumbled upon remnants for flavor mostly. had no idea it was this good.
i fear every time u make a tutorial like this a dev is going to make it his mission to nerf it.
I take that as a compliment haha
Oh I’ll *“SAVE”* them alright.
I did a build like this. In the end I had 100 bio trophies on my ecumonopolis which was still my capital. I just built sanctuary buildings, alloy boosting buildings and enforcer buildings. I had about 3 or 4 city districts and then all the other districts were alloy districts. That one planet was producing nearly 8k alloys per month. Which was unbelievably busted.
8k alloys? I don't believe you. I got 80 bio-trophies, 3 city districts and the rest were alloy districts. Managed to get 90 metallurgist (21 alloy for 13 minerals). That is 2k alloys
@@MamkaKenguru well you've done something wrong then. Or it's been nerfed. I litrally have screenshots in my discord server that other people have seen. So it was def nearly 8k alloys on that one planet
Then imagine on top of those 100 pops having an art piece from those artist stations, the +15% amenities and the other unity boost? That would be powerful
it is
Present date this build is still op lol
could you do a video on how to properly use habitats? like I been having a hard time figuring out how to use them properly
I do have this video at the moment, but thia mainly covers the mechanics of the districts!
th-cam.com/video/2stANs8FzHA/w-d-xo.html
I just started this build as I have never played rogue servitors (or machine empires) before, even tho I bought the dlc when it came out.
Shortly after starting the game I found 2 more relic worlds close by, so.....it's going to be an interesting play through.
Edit: Now I have 3 relic worlds in my Empire....this is getting out of hand.....
I made a post about this in the forums, but as a note: moving bio-trophies cost influence every time, even if you have OTA Updates as a civic. They are the ONLY empire that has no way to remove influence cost of manually moving a subservient pop. This means that if you plan on conquering a high-pop planet you need to completely gut the planet of buildings and districts (and i recommend getting a Transit Hub installed in the star base) and turn off all jobs the organic pops will eventually migrate, just very, very slowly; you will also be taking massive consumer good and energy penalties due to the bio-trophy unhappiness.
I personally recommend when dealing with planets with a population over 20, to get Nihilistic Acquisition as an ascension perk and just taking a fleet of 200 corvettes to raid the planet: once you get to the 100% devastation they will quickly drain the planet of pops, resettling them to the nearest habitable planet in your empire. If all of your other planets are Machine worlds, you can easily make them go to just key locations.
After doing this build for the past 2 days now I can say with total confidence this is op as fuck, I didn’t even know Stellaris could be this fun, normally I’m happy when I’m making +60 of a resource per month, didn’t know +1K per month was even possible. And I’m probably not even max efficiency cuz I suck at this game, I just wish my galaxy got better rng cuz a single fanatic purifier killed everyone else so it’s boring on that end
Same. Got 4k alloy production, that's insane
Is it really that big of a deal to move the capital before restoring the ecumenopolis? In the example given, you'd instead of having 4 forge arcologies, you'd have 2 forge and 2 industrial arcologies. Converting the 2 industrial arcologies 'manually' would cost about 1,800 minerals and take a bit over 3 years. Saving that for the cost of 250 influence does not strike me as some no-brainer play.
Yeah that seemed like a silly suggestion. If you had enough industrial districts before conversion, you could just demolish the Factory Arcologies outright, because Arcologies have triple the job capacity of an industrial district and can easily absorb the drone overflow.
i think its worth it. Influence isn't super useful at that point and last time i built an ecu without shifting the capital, i ended up with like +400-500 CG and lost about 450ish alloys a month which is a considerable amount (numbers are a rough estimate, was a while ago) so yeah i think its very worth shifting the capital first
I restored the ecumenopolis before moving the capital, and had half the fabricator jobs turned into artisan jobs, so moving the capital before restoration is very important.
I would love to see an origin that causes a rogue servitor to have factions, as your bio-trophies would probably like or dislike things you do out in the galaxy. Make it dangerous too, where if their approval gets too low then they decide to leave the safety of the sanctuary and attempt to overthrow the empire.
Would be nice if you could also show the years in the game snippets!
I very much like combining this build with nihilistic acquisition, around the time of restoration of your ecumenopolis go to war against a biological empire and steal their pops to increase your output significantly. But conquering planets and resettling biological pops from them, is probably a better idea, as you get a planet and do not waste ascension perk which are expensive for rouge servitors
20 alloy per pop sounds good but you are forgetting that you half your pops are being pampered. So you really have 20 alloys some unity at the cost of 13 minerals some energy, food and consumers good for two pops. The real saving here is the minerals
An empire of rogue servitor Kevins is something I could never be cruel enough to unleash on the galaxy.
Rogue Servitors are my favorite empire to play from a roleplay perspective. Reasons being A.) Machines are cool, B.) My fantasy is to be pampered and live an easy life where machines take care of any want and need, and C.) My servitors allow me to fulfill my savior fantasy and rescue any and all sapient lifeforms I like and let them live happy lives :). My servitor empire is the happy utopia kind where the pampered pops are encouraged to be the best version of themselves and they fully understand their position. When alien empires are met they can leave if they want, by why would they? Immigration treaties are simply a way to obtain alien pops peacefully and consensually. Besides, in the off chance a particularly adventurous bio-trophy does leave, they are always welcome to return home. If they suffer any grievance, the fleet will be more than ready to correct any such problems and bring them safely home.
Do a video on budding aquatic hive minds! I played one but for some reason I keep falling behind in power.
I'd recommend using a Lithoid species for your bio trophy. Free motes speeds up clearing out those Relic world blockers, they have mad habitability and can live anywhere, and not worrying about food as a machine empire is 👌.
nillistic aqua is a good way to grab pops, but it does scatter bio-pops around unless you have a silly number of (probably) worker jobs on your ecum.
Edit: i proved myself wrong, and removed incorrect information.
“It won’t be like that John.” - Cortana
Rouge Servitors be like: Congratulations! You are being rescued please do not resist.
I never really thought about this until now, but as Rouge servitors you basically have three planet sets you could use, those being the machine world, Ring world, and Gaia world so basically out of all the minds you could use the Rouge servitors and dominate the game. The only downside is that you would need to relocate all the organics from your vassals.
Edit: Was wrong about making your own ecounpolis.
Rogue Servitors can use all normal planets, Habitats, Ring Worlds, Machine Worlds, Ecumenopoles, and Gaias. There's a lot of variety to what you can do with them. You can have your Ecumenopoles producing high amounts of research while your Gaia Worlds feed your Bio-Trophies and your Machine Worlds can provide the energy that the empire needs to maintain its drones. You can use the Memorialist Civic to get a building that provides jobs that directly produce Stability to get those Machine Worlds more stability.
This is great, but you didn't even mention where the build becomes utterly ascendant--you can do the same sort of ultra high concentration of pops on a Ringworld, but for scientists. You can push 4K+ science from EACH ring segment, and mid-late game conquests make filling them up EASY. With that plus an ecu or two pushing 1-2K alloys monthly each, you are completely unstoppable and the gap only grows as you crush repeatables.
As of now, you have to be lucky enough to roll anti gravity engineering, which is a prereq for building an ecu. Played an entire game without rolling this one.
That isn't hard, just have a industry leader. Having 1 of your 3 guaranteed worlds dedicated to tech + all the labs on your capital will get you there no problem. I've played this build a lot and getting the 20k minerals is the actual bottleneck I always face. With the constant wars, minerals are a bitch a half to stockpile unless you just flat out stop developing your worlds for several years
I always give Bio Trophies decadent trait.
Rogue servitors is my second favorite build.
Managed to get op metallurgists (21 alloys for 13 minerals), thanks!
I think that's the balance of Rogue Servitors, you can't really make much in the ways of amenities, you have to rely on the bio trophies to keep your machines happy.
Amenities are just there to increase stability. If you have a planet of... lets say 200 Bio tropies *compliance protocols* is the way. you "loose" 33% on output and 50% on assembly speed but its worth it. in my playthrough on a wolrd of 233Bios and 66 Robots i managed 100% Stability with only 13 Warrior drones. Completely worth.
I always want to try rogue servitors cuz they seems cool, (I made it so my robot ai network controls earth as a relic world from the start and that after thousands of years of humans losing their galactic supremacy, the ai network is going to restore their former glory for them)
What Traditions would you recommend taking with this?
Prosperity-discovery, maybe?
as i rouge servitor i will say we may seem like "nanny bots" but... well we are but calling us that hurts my emotion emulators.
Never see the dates/calendar in this. :(
I think "political power" in the game only means how much their happiness counts. In a rogue servitor state, of course ONLY the biotrophy happiness counts.
Late game this build rules but I feel so weak and poor early game makes me want to play merchant voids xD
I have done everything in the video: Have tbe exact same civics and perks, have the required technology, have the districts required and have the resources to start the project however the option to become an ecu is not available to me? I have all the expansions other than Utopia but idk how that would change anything. I also didnt have the industrial district shown so that may be an issue. What am I doing wrong?
I'm the same as you man, I don't understand either?
You need an Ascencion perk in order to build an écu, it's called the Arcology Project.
@@noblelisticgaming1093 you need an Ascencion perk
Wow, this is about 90% similar to my long existing home made Rogue Servitors.
Robots, robots, robots, robots. Where the fork is hive minds? Why there is no love for hive minds?
You can also fire cops during the first 40 years. Unrest events don't trigger until you hit 25% deviance.
How the heck did you manage to get 9k fleet power by 2230? I assume you're playing on .75x research cost (as is common for MP), but I tried this build on default settings and barely broke 1.5k by that point. I had plenty of alloys, but I just didn't get enough research. Maybe I should have started Prosperity-Discovery instead of Expansion-Prosperity? Expansion's really handy when you're throwing down new planets all over the place, though.
Same with me, but I didn't get huge fleet just because of fleet capacity issues
I don't understand anything, but I did learn some things, really.
are myminerals always supposed to be in the red? i cant seem to supply enough minerals with all the industrial zones
I want to be a rogue servitor and become an emperor, to protect everyone 😈
The same thought I had for my next Stellaris RP session.
*picks nihilistic aqusition *
* raids a planet*
Congratulations you are being rescued! please do not resist.
Hello, Montu. Just wondering if you you should go High Bandwidth now that empire sprawl has been changed?
imagine invading a planet that has 30 sizes with the new origin and transforming it into an ecumonopolis with this empire
Could be size 33 if you wait long enough ;)
i think ecus are capped at 25 districts
@@specknik356 really? Guess I need to test it
OK, but what about choosing the lithoids for the trophies? Then they can breed on every world, should compensate for the growth speed penalty, plus no need for food at all?
I so want to try this, but I would have to abandon my 4th attempt (with a SR machine isolationist empire), so this would be take 5! It's akin to my rampant alt-o-holism in mmos lol! Stellaris...I will finish a game...even if I lose spectacularly...one of these days...
THis work with 3.3.4 ?
Dude what's that shipset? 😳 Love it!
Hey Montu what are your thoughts on 33 ecumenopolice size? Meme build but it’s possible.
So, Rogue Servitors are the only machine intelligence which can build an ecumenopolis, am I getting this right?
Theyre the only ones who can get the sanctuary arcology I think
Why is it so important to move the capital before finishing the ecumenopolis? I didn't understand that part.
I wish they would do more with hive minds in general
I feel like power drills might be better than superconductive considering the ecumenopolis project.
Minerals are way easier to get by the time you can afford the project.
I wish Gestalt consciousness had more good guy options. Literally every civic is a cliche, and no special civics are just the Matrix Builders.