To me, “you wouldn’t get it” is Arthur saying that he no longer desires validation. It’s not that she wouldn’t understand, it’s that he doesn’t care to explain. After all, a joke is never as funny when you have to explain it.
Rogue Matter i'm reminded of Arkham Origins Joker, when Bane fired an rpg behind Joker and he just dropped his gun, held his arms out, and let the blast carry him off the roof. 👌
I'm wondering if the movie did enough to show that. I get that the 11:11s could mean that perpetual last day theory but I just don't think many would have seen this movie as a fantasy in joker's head on first watch. There's subtle and there's too subtle.
its so true. even how he is now in comics and things he has no care in the world. he does what he wants even if it gets him killed. even pushing batman to kill him. he'd happily die if he knew he got batman to break his code
"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes I remember it another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" Thats the one line the Joker utters in the Killing Joke, and it always stuck with me. I think this movie took up that bit very well.
Like perhaps this whole movie is just a wonky memory. Maybe years of fighting the bat colored his memories to the point he remembers being the one to make him. Perhaps he remembers meeting a young Bruce because he knows Batman's identity and the "familial" relation is his weird way of trying to explain how close he feels to Bruce.
Ooh I love your take on this being his "one last day" that just never ends, I never thought of it that way! And I'm so thankful you addressed the controversy over this movie rather than just glossing over it. I completely agree with what you had to say.
"I was just thinking of a joke." "Do you want to tell it to me?" "You wouldn't get it." Maybe this scene is related to the _"I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realise, it’s a comedy"_ quote
I think the whole "characters don't treat mentally ill people well" is one of the points of this movie because it serves as a warning of what happens people just treat each other like trash.
Cinemasins might have started this trend, but it's not their fault. TH-camrs saw that nitpicking and hating on movies brings likes, and that's the lesson they took from it. This is why I highly value channels like this one, FilmJoy, Lindsey Ellis, Cosmonaut and so on: they criticise with a reason and praise when it's fair, and don't just nitpick for nitpicking's sake
@@OsvaldoChannel1 That's definitely a fair assessment, especially your point about the "lesson" being that "criticism = clicks." It just so happens that CS has become the most egregious example of this, and they're teaching millions of people to do the same. Kinda sucks.
@@mikepalmer1676 they kind of trapped themselves into a corner. They don't want their videos to be taken seriously, but they are, and they can't stop because it's their job. That's kind of sad
@@mikepalmer1676 Yeahhh that's the thing. CinemaSins was always meant to be a COMEDY channel and their "criticism" was always filled with jokes and whatnot. People took them seriously though and for a while they reveled in being hated cause the point was that they were assholes. But now they are in a corner. I don't blame them at all because people...missed the joke. They weren't SUPPOSED to be an oBjeCtiVe channel. They were Comedy, and still are
I know this is random but you, sir, are amazing. I don't always agree with every opinion you have on movies but your positivity and insight into films is something me that makes me smile. My mother and I don't bond often but we do bond over your videos. We always finish them and have a meaningful discussion about our own thoughts. You're also our go to after fights. We can always find inspiration and levity from how positive you are. Thank you for everything.
i always thought the theme of the movie was interpretation, and how people interpret things. the citizens misinterpreting the meaning of jokers crimes, and joker misinterpreting everything that happened to him
“That’s life that is what is it may seem, some people get their kicks stomping on a dream. But I don’t let it get me down my whole world keeps spinning around.”
Hello I am from the future and I find it funny that people thought this movie was going to make people riot when all it took was the President making a joke about storming the capital.
Forgive me if he said this in the video: I think Joker's rage in this movie comes from depression, loneliness, cruelty and neglect as he states "nobody's civil anymore" and "what do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash?" Based on his ACTUAL statements and not an observer's PROJECTIONS, he doesn't have an issue with the rich, he has an issue with people who bully and ignore others. #ijs
you're wrong. Not just the rich. Randall, the thug kids who stole his sign, his mom's boyfriends who abused and raped him when he was a child, they are not rich, but they still bullied him, because not just the rich know to be a bad person.
Even though I don't care for this movie, I think you're correct. Thats why Arthur is so upset at the end when he stands above the clowns before he gives in and smears on the smile. THEY didn't get it. He wasn't acting in their interest or because he wanted to be a symbol. But they made him a symbol. They didn't care that he was mentally ill or what drove him to this, that he hated bullies. All they cared about was what they put him on a pedestal for.
@@TiffanyRay Yall are both right. I pointed out that the ONLY ppl bullying in the movie were rich which was NOT ACCURATE other ppl in the movie were also cruel to Arthur from other walks and economic points of life. (@TheAngphoyng92 points this out)
Also coming back to this 4:19 on the wall, "No Unsupervised Patients Allowed" is cut off to turn it into "No Un-Super Patients" Bat-rogues-gallery-shadowing?
i have no idea how he does it, but Joaquin Phoenix is one of the best actors in the world, he goes really deep into his characters and portrays them perfectly, it's like he actually going through what his characters are going through and that's what i love about him
I couldn’t believe how many parallels I had with Arthur in this movie. Most of those issues are gone now (though I still laugh when I feel pain). But I remember playing out scenarios in my head of me beating a bully to death with a crowbar and other students applauding me for it. But I told someone, I got help, I got better. The difference between me and this Joker is that I learned that for every “bad day” there are hundreds of “good days”. Don’t be afraid to ask for help.
8:56 Well, it`s all just as well I hadn't seen Taxi Driver but he makes a fairly good point, there. Despite other people like Sophie imitating Travis` gun-to-the-head gesture and Robert De Niro`s involvement.
I like that the joker's state of being real or not (with in it's own cannon anyway) is a true to the source way of presenting the character. You never know who he is because really he's the Joker and that's it. He doesn't ever tell anyone the truth about how he ended up the way he is and you don't know anything else about him besides the fact he's a criminally insane genious with a long history of fighting batman because he enjoys it. I have no doubt Joker hasn't actually given 110% in the attempt at Batman's life, mainly because Ledger's version states the obvious thing about these characters. "I wouldn't know what to do without you... you complete me"
I personally think that "the joke" at the end of the movie was that he had wanted to go back into solitary confinement earlier in the movie, but when he finally got back into the asylum, he had found happiness in the outside world.
I really hope there would be a Joker 2 where they told a completely different "backstory" with a completely differen person, possibly even named as something other than Arthur, hinting at the classic Joker concept of having a past with multiple choices. I believe it would satisfy both Phillips and Phoenix as they can experiment more and also if they could deliver it clear enough it would surprise people who didn't know about this unstable nature of Joker's mind.
You do have to remember that the reason people thought this movie would incite violence is because of the shooting that happened in Aurora during the premier of The Dark Knight, with Heath Ledger as Joker. It was mainly the concern of the victims’ families that caused the fire that this movie would start issues.
even better if you frame by frame murreys face before he gets shot you see him supprised and then jumped as the gun fired and then recoiled since he died
i feel like the last bit in the hospital where the lady asks him “what’s so funny” and then he says “you wouldn’t get it” is a parallel to him saying he killed those three wall street guys and murray asking him “u think that’s funny” and he says yes. bc then he kills the lady
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I think the joke he was thinking of was wouldn't it be funny if me and batman were related? She wouldn't get it because she doesn't know batman secret identity... but he does!
12:09 it's not a central message, and you kind of gloss over it, but thank you for saying it. I have to explain to far too many people, that I enjoy when a piece of art makes me feel bad. I enjoyed shaking in anxiety and nearly vomiting when that first shot rang out and my ears rang from the noise.
Hearing someone gush about the care and detail film makers put into their movies is actally a lot more satisfying than someone ripping them apart with minute, pointless criticism. I only wish I started watching these videos a little earlier!
If you feel like you have some common things with srthur press like for instance: 1:skinny 2:sometimes laugh without anything being funny around you 3:you laugh at"bad" things that you shouldnt laugh to
It was always hilarious to me when people tried to pretend this was some kind of alt-right incel call to action. Like, it's basically the beginning of a communist revolution WAY before it's and alt-right movie.
Yeah, it's much closer to "kill the rich" or "overthrow the system" when all but one of the people Fleck kills in the film are white and the majority are wealthy.
actually, the whole point of the story is that it has NO political affiliation whatsoever. anarchy and communism are not the same thing. you're only putting your own interpretations into it, YOU want to see it as a communist revolution. alt right people see it as their revolution. the problem is you're inserting your own belief system into it and you are literally missing the whole damn point. you don't understand as much about this movie as you think you do
crowheads calm down buddy. Also say everything you just said to yourself. The disenfranchised rising up and overthrowing the rich and powerful to take that power for themselves is definitely closer to one radical political movement than the other. That's literally the core of a communist revolution. This movie is not a non-political movie, don't be an asshole who thinks everyone else is the idiot and you have it all figured out. No one likes that guy.
As a huge Taxi Driver fan, my biggest grievance with Joker is that the references and nods are so numerous that upon first watch it came really close to ripoff territory. And that's probably why I'm not all that compelled to watch it over and over again, despite enjoying the movie.
Arthur has not met Batman yet. You can tell because he doesn't have his permanent white skin from the ACE Chemical accident that Batman caused. I'm guessing his story was only a little while before the end scene. Arthur was not under heavy restraints and was freely talking to a therapist. Also, my take on "You wouldn't get it" was basically his way of saying "You aren't going along with my sick joke, so it's time to die." Arthur was looking for someone to confide in that would go along with his sociopathy as the same joke he does. He's done looking in his fantasy world for someone to love him. He controls his world now and will remove anyone he doesn't like anymore from his life without a second thought.
If a movie fall apart when you pick at it with Objectivity than it a bad movie, like the last Jedi, try and find objective flaws in movie is a way of pointing out bad aspect and therefore can be improve.(many of the thing you say in the video are objective). Cinemasins is not objective, they are super nickpicky on unrelated aspects.
from a certain perspective Joker is a social commentary about the way people with mental health issues are perceived by society and the idea of what could happen if they weren't given the correct care and treatment they need, this could result in the creation of a real life Joker
Art is subjective, thus so are what we view as masterpieces. And that’s okay, just engage with media how you like and try not to let folks make you feel guilty.
Luigi Nastro No Mauler is good and isn’t obnoxious. Ralphthemoviemaker recently has gotten on my nerves. He acts like a certified pretentious film school douche sometimes, especially in his joker review.
This movie isn't about politics, it's about what it's like to be insecure. When he gets threatened everyone he goes to for help lets him down, so he can either be destroyed, or destroy the threat. It resonates because everyone is insecure, and sometimes lashes out, but not appealing because it sucks, and he sucks. Lashing out isn't rational revenge, it's hurting people to make you feel strong and secure. 10/10 would analyse again.
I have a new theory after watching this again- the unreliable narration happens in *reverse.* As the movie goes on and he becomes more and more the Joker what we're seeing gets closer and closer to the truth, and it's his scenes as Arthur that are fictions.
I know it would have totally dutch angled the theme of the whole movie, but I always wished that once just once like end credits or something have Madhouse by Anthrax play
13.32 elated in the back of a cop car. At first I thought that was a callback to heath ledgers joker taking in the evening air from a cop car window. But now I wonder if it isnt a reference to the real "Son of Sam" who was smiling at all the attention he got when he was arrested.
I understand the argument that Joker will not cause violence or shootings, I agree with it. But I feel the need to explain why theaters in my hometown (Aurora) refused to show the Joker in theaters. It’s not because we were worried that it would cause more violence but rather out of compassion for the survivors and families of the victims of the theater shooting in Aurora. The movie that was playing during the shooting was the Dark Knight and the theaters in Aurora just didn’t want to be insensitive. Despite this many of the articles that covered Aurora refusing to show Joker focused on the angle that other people pushed about Joker ensuing violence rather than the actual reasoning.
I really hope they continue this universe. It’s been a comic trope for a while that a hero will create his own antagonist and sometimes a villain creates the hero. In this movie it’s kind of both. Although it’s more of the Joker creating Batman but the themes are there. Make it happen someone
I really like your content and I there’s i movie called let it shine (a Disney channel original movie) that I really love (no clue why) and I was hoping you could do a video on it
I see this movie as a good movie. It points out a good joker! The Unreliable Narrator trope is perfectly used! It also points of mental illness! It’s funny people try to use Joker as a violence inspirer when it’s actually yelling and teaching people of what could happen if we treat each other bad. Arthur is human and there are Arthur’s all around us. We should be using Joker as a lesson not a threat. If there’s message of this movie is that anyone can be capable of violence but we can’t push them to do it we need to show love and admiration. Not bring them down. Arthur is a good guy maybe he’s weird but he loves laughter and he loved his job because he was free. But we don’t know cause the joker tells us the story. My point is we don’t know who or what issues other people have we have to treat people nicely.
Don't know about that one chief, 2019 was FULL of crazy good movies. As good as it was, Joker barely makes my top 10. That just goes to show how amazing 2019 was
Luigi Nastro I haven’t seen Parasite but so many people have been saying it’s a masterpiece ;/. I did see the Irishman though and I thought it was fantastic.
@Luigi Nastro I haven't seen those so I can't say. Among those I have seen... I really don't know. Either Spiderverse or Jojo Rabbit, I really can't pick one, they are both perfect in my mind
My most fundamental problem with this movie is that Arthur Fleck isn’t The Joker. Even at the end of the movie Fleck isn’t The Joker. Fleck makes practically every decision entirely in the spur of the moment and spends all his time reacting to external stimuli and even the henchmen he’s gathered he got accidentally and all his successes are purely by chance with the person of Fleck having nothing to do with it at all. How would Fleck deal with Batman if Batman were to threaten to take him down? How much of a threat is Fleck at all that Batman would feel the need to take him down? Fleck’s mobs sure but Fleck himself? Don’t make me laugh. But assuming that Batman did try to take down Fleck how would Fleck try to stop him? Jared Leto and Heath Ledger played version of The Joker who were able to solve their problems by manipulating others because of how well they understood people. That wouldn’t be the case for Fleck since he wouldn’t be able to predict anyone’s behaviour since he doesn’t know people. Could he take over the underworld like Jack Napier could? No. Cesar Romero’s The Joker came up with concrete plans to battle Batman and to tie up loose ends all the time. Could Fleck approximate any of those? No. He couldn’t. Arthur Fleck is not a character who could work as an antagonist for Batman. Let alone Batman’s nemesis.
12:26 is how I always feel as a big DCEU fan. Saying “The colours are boring” when the MCU films all have a washed out palate and tons of other examples
I hope everyone who sees this movie knows that it’s okay to sympathize with Arthur, it’s okay to understand where the movie is coming from and what it represents. Just remember that regardless of how you’re treated, or what mental illnesses you have, committing violent crimes is not okay. I am a man with schizophrenia and autism, you can understand how that impacts me but it would not excuse inciting riots and random murder, guys.
"There is some intense violence in the final act that I've censored for the video" *Insert the lightest bit of blurring to some blood on a wall while leaving the whole gunshot to the head intact* Allrighty then.
my mother is a psychologist and worked in mental clinics, she was IMPRESSED by the performance of Joaquin and the character in general ... she understood and remembers the pain of the people she tried to help ... and she understood perfectly, since she told me while watching the movie "why nobody listens to him?"
@@Linda-jl5lx Am I the only one who didnt? my older sister said she was depressed for 2 days from watching half, my other friends said u will need tissues while watching it but honestly, as long as theres revenge and the abused guy gets what he wants it aint sad anymore.
I read somewhere a really compelling theory to the ending. Basically, if you look again, Arthur in the Asylum looks older than he does when he is arrested. The hair dye is gone, he has some facial hair, his fingers have burns from cigs, so on. The theory is that this Joker has already had altercations with the Bat and has been put in the Asylum so many times because of him. When he is “thinking of a joke” that the lady wouldn’t get, and it cuts to baby Bruce with his dead parents, it isn’t Arthur fantasizing about him creating Batman. It’s him finally realizing who Batman is. Finally finding out his identity. Thats why it’s so funny to him. Because he met him before, and he was supposedly his half brother. Because this little kid he thought was insignificant grew to be his greatest rival. It’s why he is so happy to escape again. Not because he wants to go get his ass kicked back into the Asylum, but because he now wants to have fun knowing finally who the Bat is. Knowing he can toy with him all he wants. Thats why “Thats Life” is what plays in his head. A sort of “well, shit, it was always him. Thats life I guess”.
@@JRL_ i thought Arthur's age is not the same as Joaquin? I heard it somewhere that the reason he looks older is because of self neglect and drug abuse
I think in the JOKER universe, Arthur Fleck is not the comic book joker that we know. Because the age gap just doesn't make sense. Arthur is at least in his late 30s (even though it looks he may be in his 40s), and bruce is only in his early teens. Also, aging doesn't make sense. I don't think he looks much aged than the other scenes. Even if it's been 5 years, still bruce should be a late teen, which doesn't work out.
I've always thought a lot about that last exchange: "you wouldn't get it" So, during the entirety of the movie, Arthur tries to express his pain. How does he do that? He does that through (what he believes is) comedy. The jokes he writes, the things he says to his first therapist, he TRIES to tell people what he's feeling, he's reaching out. No one hears or helps him, though. And that's why the last line hits me; I feel like it's the saddest line in the whole movie, because it shows that he's given up. He's embraced his Joker persona, sure, but that persona was born because no one saw him, no one listened to him, no one cared, meaning no one ever listened or cared about his "jokes". So he gives up. He just stops telling them, because society "doesn't get it". It may be a meme, but I think it's so sadly powerful.
Joker personality was created when he was repeatedly abused as a child along with his uncontrollable laughter. Arthur's humanity prevented him from embracing Joker personality, but the society kept bullying him treating him like trash, so arthur gave up, stopped fighting, and let his soul and body be consumed entirely by the Clown Prince of Crime.
The thing I like is the end title, when it says “the end” (6:07) It’s small and gracefully written, completely different from the start when it’s big and bold and in our faces. It could mean that at the beginning- having the title so big- shows how much Arthur wants to be seen and heard; then having it- the title- so small and simple,at the end, shows us that the Arther no longer wants to be in our faces bc he doesn’t need our validation. Or.. When I first saw this movie the huge title “JOKER” completely hurt my eyes- this relates to the joker, A man who dresses like a clown and kills people- it’s crazy and weird. Then at the end the title is written small and gracefully and not sticking out like a sore thumb- like the joker to us. We understand this man and we get where he is coming from and we understand his motives which is why we aren’t shocked by his actions Or I’m reading way too much into this, so if u made it this far thanks :) Edit: Ik the point I’m trying to make but I struggle wording it- hope it made some sense
Also the color scheme and font style not at all matching the scene behind it. That's a Joker style ironic joke right there. He knows it doesn't fit, he knows many people aren't going to understand why it doesn't work, but he finds it funny nonetheless but like you said, he isn't trying to draw attention to why he finds it so funny anymore.
I kinda like the first interpretation more. Having such big fonts shoved at your eyes like that would be pretty unappealing, which is just like how society would degrade Arthur for trying to stand out and get their attention. He wouldn't have been bullied by those kids in the beginning if he wasn't dressed like a clown and dancing all silly; the same as how the JOKER title wouldn't be unappealing if it wasn't so big and bold. And the smooth cursive of "The end" would reflect how Joker no longer cares about being noticed and now only cares about having fun with his "jokes".
Also an interesting fact about the clocks: The 11th November (11th month) at 11:11 o'clock is the traditional start of the german and low countries carnival. This starts the so called "Narrenzeit", wich literaly translated to "jester time".
@@drakesterX Well in Germany we use the date since the middle ages to celebrate the beginning of carnival. I think Canadian politicians were not very familiar with continantal european traditions
Mister Hansen it was clearly intentional and when he says his clown name is “Carnival” it drives that connection home. This makes him punching out the clock even more significant, he is killing carnival so that joker can be born. Even more genius because it’s said that Joaquin improvised that scene.
6:54 "The meta-ness of trying to pre-blame a movie character for [real-life] violent acts that have not even been committed" Holy smokes, you hit it on the head. I don't think any reasonable person would watch this movie and think, "Huh, I should imitate this dude." As you said, the media whipping everyone into a frenzy did far more harm than the film itself, just for the sake of generating clicks.
political sensationalism is boring, you can often predict what the 'controversy' will be. and perhaps the saddest part is, almost nobody writing these pieces really believes in them (?) so much as they're just writing to generate clicks and pay bills, and yet the people reading them will get infuriated one way or another.
"A man living his living his last day." is an interesting line if you know your Joker history, Where the character was supposed to die in his first appearance and only stuck around to fill the arch nemesis role.The character has nothing lose, he escaped his fated death and has became too important to write off.
Dude your evaluation of Joker being so detached from reality that he actually believed he was in a fantasy so he got rid of all his ticks and stuff. That’s awesome
*Arthur tells this story to one therapist.* Arthur: "I just thought of a joke." Therapist: "What's so funny Arthur?" Arthur: "You wouldn't get it." *Arthur tells this same story to another therapist.* Arthur: "I just thought of a joke." Dr. Harleen Quinzel: "Oh yeah? Try me." Arthur: **smiles**
Golden Globes: Wanna Hear a Joke? Joaquin Phoenix: No I think we’ve had enough of your jokes Golden Globes: What do you get- Joaquin Phoenix: I don’t think so- Golden Globes: when you give a incredibly talented actor a powerful script and the ability to preform a chilling and real performance? I’ll tell you what you get. YOU GET WHAT YOU F**KING DESERVE!! Golden Globes: *Hands Joaquin Phoenix Best Actor Award*
"Chilling and real performance"??? This is JOKER. Chilling, yes. Real?! He's comical. Joaquin deserves the Oscar, not gonna lie, but this is literally a movie about possibly the most insane comic book villian.
@@Alexanderrr3r I know you're joking, but that was Blue Story, a film about gang crime in London. I think some teens in Birmingham completely missed the message.
Media: "Joker will inspire mass shootings" Joker: *Inspires no mass shootings* Frozen 2: *Machete attack at a frozen 2 premier* Media: *shocked pikachu face*
@@clairethebreadfascist5753 The merging and evolution of meme formats is inevitable.
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Eh...It's attacks from the crowd we expect and excuse it from at every single opportunity Right until people had enough. Not like that certain group has even driven Buddhists to borderline genocide...led by a former nobel peace prize winner no less
KanitoKawaii all the news articles throughout this movie makes a statement about how the media twists the truth and sensationalizes things to make money, but as a result ends up fanning the flames and making things worse, leading to riots and famous villains. Then when the movie comes out, life imitates art!!
I love the symbolism of Arthur breaking Murrays rule moments before killing him. "No cursing".
That’s true I never thought of that
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@Katylyn Williams how is that symbolic
Ya get what ya [fricking] deserve! Makes sense
To me, “you wouldn’t get it” is Arthur saying that he no longer desires validation. It’s not that she wouldn’t understand, it’s that he doesn’t care to explain. After all, a joke is never as funny when you have to explain it.
Exemplary explanation, spot on my good man. As well a description as cinemawins calling joker a man perpetually living his last day
Jeremy Fisher your vocabulary is particularly impressive for a TH-cam comment
"If you have to explain the joke, THERE IS NO JOKE!" - DCAU Joker (Mark Hamill)
To 14 year olds “ you wouldn’t get it” is just a way to get attention.
Seriously that is what I go by when I make a joke and someone asks what the joke is about
Wow, I’ve never heard the Joker described as “a man who is constantly living out his last day”. What a perfect way to describe that character!
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i'm reminded of Arkham Origins Joker, when Bane fired an rpg behind Joker and he just dropped his gun, held his arms out, and let the blast carry him off the roof. 👌
I'm wondering if the movie did enough to show that. I get that the 11:11s could mean that perpetual last day theory but I just don't think many would have seen this movie as a fantasy in joker's head on first watch. There's subtle and there's too subtle.
its so true. even how he is now in comics and things he has no care in the world. he does what he wants even if it gets him killed. even pushing batman to kill him. he'd happily die if he knew he got batman to break his code
my tits and he jumps off the roof knowing Batman will save him
@@rushpan93 How could it have been too subtle? They straight up show you that he's schizophrenic and hallucinating entire events.
"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes I remember it another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
Thats the one line the Joker utters in the Killing Joke, and it always stuck with me. I think this movie took up that bit very well.
Like perhaps this whole movie is just a wonky memory. Maybe years of fighting the bat colored his memories to the point he remembers being the one to make him. Perhaps he remembers meeting a young Bruce because he knows Batman's identity and the "familial" relation is his weird way of trying to explain how close he feels to Bruce.
@@qa300 "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
“YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE”
A bunch of likes for your good content bro
its "YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESURVE""
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But TH-cam so
Ooh I love your take on this being his "one last day" that just never ends, I never thought of it that way!
And I'm so thankful you addressed the controversy over this movie rather than just glossing over it. I completely agree with what you had to say.
"I was just thinking of a joke."
"Do you want to tell it to me?"
"You wouldn't get it."
Maybe this scene is related to the _"I used to think that my life was a tragedy, but now I realise, it’s a comedy"_ quote
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The joke is on society. They thought this movie would inspire violence when it inspired people to dance on stairs.
Memes are truly the most powerful thing ever and why I love the internet, degeneracy and all
I think Dancing on stairs is dumb just because its a lot more likly that you will get hurt if you dance there.
Frozen II caused more violence than Joker.
Falling down stairs can be pretty violent...
Especially if you were pushed by your friend who is tired if you dancing down stairs all the time.
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I love Frozen II
*no one cared who i was until i put on the mask*
It's crazy how this line makes the most sense with Joker
Is that from the mask
1000 subscribe 0 video challenge ok Dark Knight Rises, one of Banes first lines
I mean most guys with a mask fit that description but Joker is very much one of those people.
I think the whole "characters don't treat mentally ill people well" is one of the points of this movie because it serves as a warning of what happens people just treat each other like trash.
all the clocks read 11:11 until the Murray Show, which is an interesting way to tell Arthur is finally the REAL him (if that is what it's doing)
Stockton Hall wow, that’s sooooo deep.
I love how the blood on the murray show sign is the only thing that’s blurred
11:31 "Every single movie will fall apart when you start picking it apart oBjeCtiVeLY."
*[stares at CinemaSins]*
Cinemasins might have started this trend, but it's not their fault. TH-camrs saw that nitpicking and hating on movies brings likes, and that's the lesson they took from it.
This is why I highly value channels like this one, FilmJoy, Lindsey Ellis, Cosmonaut and so on: they criticise with a reason and praise when it's fair, and don't just nitpick for nitpicking's sake
@@OsvaldoChannel1 That's definitely a fair assessment, especially your point about the "lesson" being that "criticism = clicks." It just so happens that CS has become the most egregious example of this, and they're teaching millions of people to do the same. Kinda sucks.
@@mikepalmer1676 they kind of trapped themselves into a corner. They don't want their videos to be taken seriously, but they are, and they can't stop because it's their job. That's kind of sad
@@OsvaldoChannel1 Cosmonaut? That guy sucks.
@@mikepalmer1676 Yeahhh that's the thing. CinemaSins was always meant to be a COMEDY channel and their "criticism" was always filled with jokes and whatnot. People took them seriously though and for a while they reveled in being hated cause the point was that they were assholes. But now they are in a corner. I don't blame them at all because people...missed the joke. They weren't SUPPOSED to be an oBjeCtiVe channel. They were Comedy, and still are
I know this is random but you, sir, are amazing. I don't always agree with every opinion you have on movies but your positivity and insight into films is something me that makes me smile. My mother and I don't bond often but we do bond over your videos. We always finish them and have a meaningful discussion about our own thoughts. You're also our go to after fights. We can always find inspiration and levity from how positive you are. Thank you for everything.
Thats awesome
Thats great!
i always thought the theme of the movie was interpretation, and how people interpret things. the citizens misinterpreting the meaning of jokers crimes, and joker misinterpreting everything that happened to him
Tubbyjediknight
AND IN REALITY PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY MAKING THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS ON IT TOO, FOR BETTER OR WORSE!
AAAAA THAT'S GENIUS DUDE!
Interesting take
Kind of what I thought. The chaos and brute violence exhibited by the protests is what Arthur slowly begins to identify with.
“That’s life that is what is it may seem, some people get their kicks stomping on a dream. But I don’t let it get me down my whole world keeps spinning around.”
*and as funny as it may seem
*Also, he wrote in his journal with his Right hand - then his Left hand.*
*Win +1*
Hello I am from the future and I find it funny that people thought this movie was going to make people riot when all it took was the President making a joke about storming the capital.
Forgive me if he said this in the video:
I think Joker's rage in this movie comes from depression, loneliness, cruelty and neglect as he states "nobody's civil anymore" and "what do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash?"
Based on his ACTUAL statements and not an observer's PROJECTIONS, he doesn't have an issue with the rich, he has an issue with people who bully and ignore others.
#ijs
you're wrong. Not just the rich. Randall, the thug kids who stole his sign, his mom's boyfriends who abused and raped him when he was a child, they are not rich, but they still bullied him, because not just the rich know to be a bad person.
@@TheAnhphuong92 he just said Arthur DOESENT have a problem with the rich he has a problem with people who abuse him
Even though I don't care for this movie, I think you're correct. Thats why Arthur is so upset at the end when he stands above the clowns before he gives in and smears on the smile.
THEY didn't get it. He wasn't acting in their interest or because he wanted to be a symbol. But they made him a symbol. They didn't care that he was mentally ill or what drove him to this, that he hated bullies. All they cared about was what they put him on a pedestal for.
@@TheAnhphuong92 Excellent point. I have adjusted my comment. Thanks.
@@TiffanyRay Yall are both right. I pointed out that the ONLY ppl bullying in the movie were rich which was NOT ACCURATE other ppl in the movie were also cruel to Arthur from other walks and economic points of life. (@TheAngphoyng92 points this out)
There's a lot one can say about the movie, but it was a cinematic masterpiece. The colours, the lighting, the camera angles, the acting. Fantastic.
Also coming back to this
4:19 on the wall, "No Unsupervised Patients Allowed" is cut off to turn it into "No Un-Super Patients"
Bat-rogues-gallery-shadowing?
11:18: "Flawless movies don't exist."
_The Princess Bride:_ *clears throat*
i have no idea how he does it, but Joaquin Phoenix is one of the best actors in the world, he goes really deep into his characters and portrays them perfectly, it's like he actually going through what his characters are going through and that's what i love about him
Joker is a great movie, the first time i watched this in theaters i was just in awe of what i just saw
This movie deserve more than 200+ win scores.
I couldn’t believe how many parallels I had with Arthur in this movie. Most of those issues are gone now (though I still laugh when I feel pain). But I remember playing out scenarios in my head of me beating a bully to death with a crowbar and other students applauding me for it. But I told someone, I got help, I got better. The difference between me and this Joker is that I learned that for every “bad day” there are hundreds of “good days”.
Don’t be afraid to ask for help.
"The dreamers of the day are dangerous men for they may act their dream with open eyes to make possible"
T.E. Lawrence
perfect,,,,
8:56 Well, it`s all just as well I hadn't seen Taxi Driver but he makes a fairly good point, there. Despite other people like Sophie imitating Travis` gun-to-the-head gesture and Robert De Niro`s involvement.
2:00 *Lego voice:* HEY
I like that the joker's state of being real or not (with in it's own cannon anyway) is a true to the source way of presenting the character. You never know who he is because really he's the Joker and that's it. He doesn't ever tell anyone the truth about how he ended up the way he is and you don't know anything else about him besides the fact he's a criminally insane genious with a long history of fighting batman because he enjoys it. I have no doubt Joker hasn't actually given 110% in the attempt at Batman's life, mainly because Ledger's version states the obvious thing about these characters. "I wouldn't know what to do without you... you complete me"
I like this channel ironically more than i like Cinemasins because at least he explains his reasons for why and how he feels about the movies
I personally think that "the joke" at the end of the movie was that he had wanted to go back into solitary confinement earlier in the movie, but when he finally got back into the asylum, he had found happiness in the outside world.
11:11 is the traditional starting time of the German carnival, 11:11 being considered to time of jesters and parody.
I really hope there would be a Joker 2 where they told a completely different "backstory" with a completely differen person, possibly even named as something other than Arthur, hinting at the classic Joker concept of having a past with multiple choices. I believe it would satisfy both Phillips and Phoenix as they can experiment more and also if they could deliver it clear enough it would surprise people who didn't know about this unstable nature of Joker's mind.
You do have to remember that the reason people thought this movie would incite violence is because of the shooting that happened in Aurora during the premier of The Dark Knight, with Heath Ledger as Joker. It was mainly the concern of the victims’ families that caused the fire that this movie would start issues.
even better if you frame by frame murreys face
before he gets shot
you see him supprised and then jumped as the gun fired and then recoiled
since he died
i feel like the last bit in the hospital where the lady asks him “what’s so funny” and then he says “you wouldn’t get it” is a parallel to him saying he killed those three wall street guys and murray asking him “u think that’s funny” and he says yes. bc then he kills the lady
Hi there!
I just REALLY wanted to suggest three winnable movies:
"Song of the Sea" an Irish movie about Celtic folklore
"Kirikou and the Sorceress" a French film about Guinean folklore
"Lile crazy" an Italian film about two women who escape from a mental institution in search of happiness
Kirikou... As a French, I can tell this brings back a lot of memories.
I loved kirikou when I was a child ! I'm French
Haha love kirikou
I remember seeing Kirikou as a kid and being fascinated by it... And I am not even french
I think the joke he was thinking of was wouldn't it be funny if me and batman were related?
She wouldn't get it because she doesn't know batman secret identity... but he does!
12:09 it's not a central message, and you kind of gloss over it, but thank you for saying it. I have to explain to far too many people, that I enjoy when a piece of art makes me feel bad. I enjoyed shaking in anxiety and nearly vomiting when that first shot rang out and my ears rang from the noise.
"You're awful Murray"
“Would you kindly” do a everything great on Warrior with Tom Hardy
I don't do anything followed by that phrase, on principle. Lmao
Is that a motherfucking Bioshock reference
@@bronsoncarder2491 Would you kindly not do everything that follows the phares "Would you kindly?
Hearing someone gush about the care and detail film makers put into their movies is actally a lot more satisfying than someone ripping them apart with minute, pointless criticism. I only wish I started watching these videos a little earlier!
If you feel like you have some common things with srthur press like for instance:
1:skinny
2:sometimes laugh without anything being funny around you
3:you laugh at"bad" things that you shouldnt laugh to
It was always hilarious to me when people tried to pretend this was some kind of alt-right incel call to action. Like, it's basically the beginning of a communist revolution WAY before it's and alt-right movie.
Yeah, it's much closer to "kill the rich" or "overthrow the system" when all but one of the people Fleck kills in the film are white and the majority are wealthy.
actually, the whole point of the story is that it has NO political affiliation whatsoever. anarchy and communism are not the same thing. you're only putting your own interpretations into it, YOU want to see it as a communist revolution. alt right people see it as their revolution. the problem is you're inserting your own belief system into it and you are literally missing the whole damn point. you don't understand as much about this movie as you think you do
@@milapartment how about another joke, crowheads?
crowheads calm down buddy. Also say everything you just said to yourself. The disenfranchised rising up and overthrowing the rich and powerful to take that power for themselves is definitely closer to one radical political movement than the other. That's literally the core of a communist revolution. This movie is not a non-political movie, don't be an asshole who thinks everyone else is the idiot and you have it all figured out. No one likes that guy.
Finally someone called out the number of shots out of the revolver
As a huge Taxi Driver fan, my biggest grievance with Joker is that the references and nods are so numerous that upon first watch it came really close to ripoff territory. And that's probably why I'm not all that compelled to watch it over and over again, despite enjoying the movie.
This is my favorite video! Not because of the movie, but what you said about being objective! So awesome,l!
Arthur has not met Batman yet. You can tell because he doesn't have his permanent white skin from the ACE Chemical accident that Batman caused. I'm guessing his story was only a little while before the end scene. Arthur was not under heavy restraints and was freely talking to a therapist.
Also, my take on "You wouldn't get it" was basically his way of saying "You aren't going along with my sick joke, so it's time to die." Arthur was looking for someone to confide in that would go along with his sociopathy as the same joke he does. He's done looking in his fantasy world for someone to love him. He controls his world now and will remove anyone he doesn't like anymore from his life without a second thought.
If a movie fall apart when you pick at it with Objectivity than it a bad movie, like the last Jedi, try and find objective flaws in movie is a way of pointing out bad aspect and therefore can be improve.(many of the thing you say in the video are objective). Cinemasins is not objective, they are super nickpicky on unrelated aspects.
I like that you clarified it was a cylinder and not a magazine as you know gun people love their terminology.
from a certain perspective Joker is a social commentary about the way people with mental health issues are perceived by society and the idea of what could happen if they weren't given the correct care and treatment they need, this could result in the creation of a real life Joker
Awesome as always, could you do one about Shawshank redemption?
Art is subjective, thus so are what we view as masterpieces. And that’s okay, just engage with media how you like and try not to let folks make you feel guilty.
@Luigi Nastro You mean the guys who has stated over and over again that you cna subjectively like a movie, that just doesnt make it objectively good?
Luigi Nastro No Mauler is good and isn’t obnoxious. Ralphthemoviemaker recently has gotten on my nerves. He acts like a certified pretentious film school douche sometimes, especially in his joker review.
Art has objectivity, but ultimately everyone will subjectively enjoy things differently.
This movie isn't about politics, it's about what it's like to be insecure. When he gets threatened everyone he goes to for help lets him down, so he can either be destroyed, or destroy the threat. It resonates because everyone is insecure, and sometimes lashes out, but not appealing because it sucks, and he sucks. Lashing out isn't rational revenge, it's hurting people to make you feel strong and secure. 10/10 would analyse again.
I have a new theory after watching this again- the unreliable narration happens in *reverse.* As the movie goes on and he becomes more and more the Joker what we're seeing gets closer and closer to the truth, and it's his scenes as Arthur that are fictions.
Think Leto must hate himself after his ‘effort’
The question is from where Arthur got the tow bullets that’s makes him kills Murray ? In the subway scene he just empty the gun in the guy head
iVzQ47 when he got the gun from the guy in the changing room, it was on top of a pile of bullets in the bag
I know it would have totally dutch angled the theme of the whole movie, but I always wished that once just once like end credits or something have Madhouse by Anthrax play
The point in the end is that he did it all cuz for him it was a fantasy, not a reality
Well. Let’s see if this video will change my mind about Joker.
Out of all the reviews I have seen, this is the best!
13.32 elated in the back of a cop car. At first I thought that was a callback to heath ledgers joker taking in the evening air from a cop car window. But now I wonder if it isnt a reference to the real "Son of Sam" who was smiling at all the attention he got when he was arrested.
I understand the argument that Joker will not cause violence or shootings, I agree with it. But I feel the need to explain why theaters in my hometown (Aurora) refused to show the Joker in theaters. It’s not because we were worried that it would cause more violence but rather out of compassion for the survivors and families of the victims of the theater shooting in Aurora. The movie that was playing during the shooting was the Dark Knight and the theaters in Aurora just didn’t want to be insensitive. Despite this many of the articles that covered Aurora refusing to show Joker focused on the angle that other people pushed about Joker ensuing violence rather than the actual reasoning.
I really hope they continue this universe. It’s been a comic trope for a while that a hero will create his own antagonist and sometimes a villain creates the hero. In this movie it’s kind of both. Although it’s more of the Joker creating Batman but the themes are there. Make it happen someone
Was it just me or every kill in that movie felt really nice and satisfying
I really like your content and I there’s i movie called let it shine (a Disney channel original movie) that I really love (no clue why) and I was hoping you could do a video on it
I see this movie as a good movie. It points out a good joker! The Unreliable Narrator trope is perfectly used! It also points of mental illness! It’s funny people try to use Joker as a violence inspirer when it’s actually yelling and teaching people of what could happen if we treat each other bad. Arthur is human and there are Arthur’s all around us. We should be using Joker as a lesson not a threat. If there’s message of this movie is that anyone can be capable of violence but we can’t push them to do it we need to show love and admiration. Not bring them down. Arthur is a good guy maybe he’s weird but he loves laughter and he loved his job because he was free. But we don’t know cause the joker tells us the story. My point is we don’t know who or what issues other people have we have to treat people nicely.
Some of the clocks are 10:10. Can't remember which clocks are but certain ones are 11:11 and others are 10:10
You should do a bumblebee vid and maybe a knight's tale if you haven't already oh and a Pacific Rim Uprising one to.
THE best movie of 2019
Don't know about that one chief, 2019 was FULL of crazy good movies. As good as it was, Joker barely makes my top 10.
That just goes to show how amazing 2019 was
Luigi Nastro what is the best movie?
Luigi Nastro I haven’t seen Parasite but so many people have been saying it’s a masterpiece ;/. I did see the Irishman though and I thought it was fantastic.
@Luigi Nastro I haven't seen those so I can't say. Among those I have seen... I really don't know. Either Spiderverse or Jojo Rabbit, I really can't pick one, they are both perfect in my mind
Joaquin Phoenix captured joker amazingly. I'd put him up there With Heath Ledger
Can't wait for the day cinemawins is bigger than their superior
I personally don't think it really matters, but the whole thing about it will be nice
I would've given Murray's death a +3 Win
My most fundamental problem with this movie is that Arthur Fleck isn’t The Joker. Even at the end of the movie Fleck isn’t The Joker. Fleck makes practically every decision entirely in the spur of the moment and spends all his time reacting to external stimuli and even the henchmen he’s gathered he got accidentally and all his successes are purely by chance with the person of Fleck having nothing to do with it at all.
How would Fleck deal with Batman if Batman were to threaten to take him down? How much of a threat is Fleck at all that Batman would feel the need to take him down? Fleck’s mobs sure but Fleck himself? Don’t make me laugh.
But assuming that Batman did try to take down Fleck how would Fleck try to stop him?
Jared Leto and Heath Ledger played version of The Joker who were able to solve their problems by manipulating others because of how well they understood people. That wouldn’t be the case for Fleck since he wouldn’t be able to predict anyone’s behaviour since he doesn’t know people.
Could he take over the underworld like Jack Napier could? No.
Cesar Romero’s The Joker came up with concrete plans to battle Batman and to tie up loose ends all the time.
Could Fleck approximate any of those? No. He couldn’t. Arthur Fleck is not a character who could work as an antagonist for Batman. Let alone Batman’s nemesis.
2:00 censores the blood but not the wound in his head bruhh
12:26 is how I always feel as a big DCEU fan. Saying “The colours are boring” when the MCU films all have a washed out palate and tons of other examples
I hope everyone who sees this movie knows that it’s okay to sympathize with Arthur, it’s okay to understand where the movie is coming from and what it represents. Just remember that regardless of how you’re treated, or what mental illnesses you have, committing violent crimes is not okay. I am a man with schizophrenia and autism, you can understand how that impacts me but it would not excuse inciting riots and random murder, guys.
I’m real happy you addressed the BS regarding the media
Kinda wished we got a normal cinema wins focusing on the actual film not the media controversy tbh
Please do tangled
"Movies, music and video games don't make people more violent"
Hold on a second there.....you're making too much sense
Adam who named you AdamG1983
@@navocily who named you Navocily
Why do we have names
@@Propaganda9999 because we live in a society
Taking those things away from people will make them violent.
"There is some intense violence in the final act that I've censored for the video"
*Insert the lightest bit of blurring to some blood on a wall while leaving the whole gunshot to the head intact*
Allrighty then.
High quality content right there
Honestly it made me laugh out loud.
I'm glad he didn't censor it.. weak willed people shouldn't watch this movie anyway
@@kevk9306 Absolutely
I am your 666th like. Time to summon satan boys.
3:39 when the Joker grabs the camera after killing Murray, the lighting kinda makes his suit look purple.
*Classic Joker look*
@@mayshack
what do you expect?
HOL UP I didn't notice that-
the yellow also looks green
also may be a homage to that scene where joker tortures the fake batman in the dark knight
my mother is a psychologist and worked in mental clinics, she was IMPRESSED by the performance of Joaquin and the character in general ... she understood and remembers the pain of the people she tried to help ... and she understood perfectly, since she told me while watching the movie "why nobody listens to him?"
This comment hurt me-
I cried when i saw the movie..
@@Linda-jl5lx me too, nobody wants to listen funny when the world burns now they listen
THIS
@@Linda-jl5lx Am I the only one who didnt? my older sister said she was depressed for 2 days from watching half, my other friends said u will need tissues while watching it but honestly, as long as theres revenge and the abused guy gets what he wants it aint sad anymore.
I read somewhere a really compelling theory to the ending. Basically, if you look again, Arthur in the Asylum looks older than he does when he is arrested. The hair dye is gone, he has some facial hair, his fingers have burns from cigs, so on. The theory is that this Joker has already had altercations with the Bat and has been put in the Asylum so many times because of him. When he is “thinking of a joke” that the lady wouldn’t get, and it cuts to baby Bruce with his dead parents, it isn’t Arthur fantasizing about him creating Batman. It’s him finally realizing who Batman is. Finally finding out his identity. Thats why it’s so funny to him. Because he met him before, and he was supposedly his half brother. Because this little kid he thought was insignificant grew to be his greatest rival. It’s why he is so happy to escape again. Not because he wants to go get his ass kicked back into the Asylum, but because he now wants to have fun knowing finally who the Bat is. Knowing he can toy with him all he wants. Thats why “Thats Life” is what plays in his head. A sort of “well, shit, it was always him. Thats life I guess”.
This is a cool theory but by the time Bruce grew up Arthur would be in his 60s/70s.
@@JRL_ i thought Arthur's age is not the same as Joaquin? I heard it somewhere that the reason he looks older is because of self neglect and drug abuse
The joke was that, he never had the car accident in the first place.
I think in the JOKER universe, Arthur Fleck is not the comic book joker that we know. Because the age gap just doesn't make sense. Arthur is at least in his late 30s (even though it looks he may be in his 40s), and bruce is only in his early teens. Also, aging doesn't make sense. I don't think he looks much aged than the other scenes. Even if it's been 5 years, still bruce should be a late teen, which doesn't work out.
@@Furcifer I think he’s in his early thirties. Jack Nicholson’s Joker was way older than Batman and it still worked.
I've always thought a lot about that last exchange: "you wouldn't get it"
So, during the entirety of the movie, Arthur tries to express his pain. How does he do that? He does that through (what he believes is) comedy. The jokes he writes, the things he says to his first therapist, he TRIES to tell people what he's feeling, he's reaching out.
No one hears or helps him, though.
And that's why the last line hits me; I feel like it's the saddest line in the whole movie, because it shows that he's given up. He's embraced his Joker persona, sure, but that persona was born because no one saw him, no one listened to him, no one cared, meaning no one ever listened or cared about his "jokes". So he gives up. He just stops telling them, because society "doesn't get it".
It may be a meme, but I think it's so sadly powerful.
Underrated comment! ♡
Joker personality was created when he was repeatedly abused as a child along with his uncontrollable laughter. Arthur's humanity prevented him from embracing Joker personality, but the society kept bullying him treating him like trash, so arthur gave up, stopped fighting, and let his soul and body be consumed entirely by the Clown Prince of Crime.
Esther Hulst aw, thanks :)
TheAnhphuong92 absolutely
Good thinking Mae
I really hope they don’t make a sequel, the ambiguity of this whole film is perfect
So do I. It's not a perfect movie, but it's complete as it is. Adding anything will water it down.
I wouldn't mind seeing this version if the Joker in a Batman, Justice League, or Birds of Prey movie, but I agree, no sequels.
I want a second in universe movie. Like an 80s mafia style Penguin movie
Itll be cool if they add to this universe batman villains maybe killer croc or hell even kite man
TheR3aper5 I'd really not like to see this joker in the other DC movies, they would ruin him the same way they ruined Wonder Woman
The thing I like is the end title, when it says “the end” (6:07)
It’s small and gracefully written, completely different from the start when it’s big and bold and in our faces.
It could mean that at the beginning- having the title so big- shows how much Arthur wants to be seen and heard; then having it- the title- so small and simple,at the end, shows us that the Arther no longer wants to be in our faces bc he doesn’t need our validation.
Or..
When I first saw this movie the huge title “JOKER” completely hurt my eyes- this relates to the joker, A man who dresses like a clown and kills people- it’s crazy and weird. Then at the end the title is written small and gracefully and not sticking out like a sore thumb- like the joker to us. We understand this man and we get where he is coming from and we understand his motives which is why we aren’t shocked by his actions
Or I’m reading way too much into this, so if u made it this far thanks :)
Edit: Ik the point I’m trying to make but I struggle wording it- hope it made some sense
it's also the font used in the 'warner bros presents' in the opening
Also the color scheme and font style not at all matching the scene behind it. That's a Joker style ironic joke right there. He knows it doesn't fit, he knows many people aren't going to understand why it doesn't work, but he finds it funny nonetheless but like you said, he isn't trying to draw attention to why he finds it so funny anymore.
I kinda like the first interpretation more. Having such big fonts shoved at your eyes like that would be pretty unappealing, which is just like how society would degrade Arthur for trying to stand out and get their attention. He wouldn't have been bullied by those kids in the beginning if he wasn't dressed like a clown and dancing all silly; the same as how the JOKER title wouldn't be unappealing if it wasn't so big and bold.
And the smooth cursive of "The end" would reflect how Joker no longer cares about being noticed and now only cares about having fun with his "jokes".
Also an interesting fact about the clocks:
The 11th November (11th month) at 11:11 o'clock is the traditional start of the german and low countries carnival. This starts the so called "Narrenzeit", wich literaly translated to "jester time".
Jester time
Ironically, November 11th is also Remembrance Day in Canada, a day dedicated to those who fought and served in the military.
@@drakesterX Well in Germany we use the date since the middle ages to celebrate the beginning of carnival.
I think Canadian politicians were not very familiar with continantal european traditions
Mister Hansen it was clearly intentional and when he says his clown name is “Carnival” it drives that connection home. This makes him punching out the clock even more significant, he is killing carnival so that joker can be born. Even more genius because it’s said that Joaquin improvised that scene.
Not to mention we never see 11:11 on the clocks again after that. So genius!!
6:54 "The meta-ness of trying to pre-blame a movie character for [real-life] violent acts that have not even been committed"
Holy smokes, you hit it on the head. I don't think any reasonable person would watch this movie and think, "Huh, I should imitate this dude." As you said, the media whipping everyone into a frenzy did far more harm than the film itself, just for the sake of generating clicks.
Exactly. And the unreasonable People that would think that would find a different thing to be "inspired" by, so please just let Art be Art.
The only thing that caused injuries after this was people falling down stairs from dancing
@@Arthur_Morgan459 Haha. I hope someone saw and recorded.
Frozen II caused more violence than Joker.
political sensationalism is boring, you can often predict what the 'controversy' will be. and perhaps the saddest part is, almost nobody writing these pieces really believes in them (?) so much as they're just writing to generate clicks and pay bills, and yet the people reading them will get infuriated one way or another.
"A man living his living his last day." is an interesting line if you know your Joker history, Where the character was supposed to die in his first appearance and only stuck around to fill the arch nemesis role.The character has nothing lose, he escaped his fated death and has became too important to write off.
“Not separated by race lines,
But by class lines.”
I wish people understood how deeply this reflects our own reality.
Respect
Exactly.
exactly
RACE lines Gypsy crusader is literally the joker story irl
If you wanna get deep on that topic, classism created race to keep the poor in subservience to their "fellow whites" back during the feudal system.
Dude your evaluation of Joker being so detached from reality that he actually believed he was in a fantasy so he got rid of all his ticks and stuff. That’s awesome
The guy in the riot holding up a wicker chair deserves a win, IMO.
Wicker Man Origins movie coming up!
Batman 1989 Knox has a line about king of the wicker people....
Is that shown in this video? Which part is it in the film?
Thanos is more of an incel than the Joker, especially in the comics.
For real that boy a simp for death
*Arthur tells this story to one therapist.*
Arthur: "I just thought of a joke."
Therapist: "What's so funny Arthur?"
Arthur: "You wouldn't get it."
*Arthur tells this same story to another therapist.*
Arthur: "I just thought of a joke."
Dr. Harleen Quinzel: "Oh yeah? Try me."
Arthur: **smiles**
Sock Powder
@@navocily Sock Powder
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@@popelogic4560 PopeLogic
Golden Globes: Wanna Hear a Joke?
Joaquin Phoenix: No I think we’ve had enough of your jokes
Golden Globes: What do you get-
Joaquin Phoenix: I don’t think so-
Golden Globes: when you give a incredibly talented actor a powerful script and the ability to preform a chilling and real performance? I’ll tell you what you get. YOU GET WHAT YOU F**KING DESERVE!!
Golden Globes: *Hands Joaquin Phoenix Best Actor Award*
Literally my favorite scene
What a great comment. Op you are something special.
You dont need to censor fuck.
No kids should be watching joker in the first place
"Chilling and real performance"??? This is JOKER. Chilling, yes. Real?! He's comical. Joaquin deserves the Oscar, not gonna lie, but this is literally a movie about possibly the most insane comic book villian.
Hunter well while I agree Joaquin was great the story is not as great as everyone says it’s really just as copy of taxi driver and king of comedy
I don't think any of us will forget the Joker-inspired massacres of 2019.
What's that? (touches ear)
I'm being told there weren't any.
Never mind.
Well, we know which movie really inspires violence - Frozen 2! Machete brawls all the way!
Aren’t mass shootings are slowing down in general?
Dragonstorm Dipro shhhh. Like a lot of problems in our society, if we stop giving them attention, they will go away
gspendlove I went as Joker for Halloween, and I initially didn't like the movie. Just to spite the elite
@@Alexanderrr3r I know you're joking, but that was Blue Story, a film about gang crime in London. I think some teens in Birmingham completely missed the message.
Media: "Joker will inspire mass shootings"
Joker: *Inspires no mass shootings*
Frozen 2: *Machete attack at a frozen 2 premier*
Media: *shocked pikachu face*
KanitoKawaii That’s the wrong use of that meme.
@@clairethebreadfascist5753 The merging and evolution of meme formats is inevitable.
Eh...It's attacks from the crowd we expect and excuse it from at every single opportunity
Right until people had enough. Not like that certain group has even driven Buddhists to borderline genocide...led by a former nobel peace prize winner no less
Christo Narc not if I have anything to say about it
KanitoKawaii all the news articles throughout this movie makes a statement about how the media twists the truth and sensationalizes things to make money, but as a result ends up fanning the flames and making things worse, leading to riots and famous villains. Then when the movie comes out, life imitates art!!