Refreshing to see the OGs getting together again, Max was always the instructor I resonated with most during those days, i felt like i had so many similarities, would love to meet him for real one day when i can offer him real value
Cool to see these guys talking about game. Max was good to be interested and let them talk about their beliefs of game. Many would say what max and rsd used to teach was an advancement on mystery, and mystery hasn’t evolved. But, most guys that are really active try to learn something from everyone. Good talk. Hope to hear max cover this content from time to time. He has a loyal following still!
Glad you liked it man. I was aiming as much as possible to let them talk since I knew the 2 have over a decade of history together and probably vibe super well. And yes, always keen to cover some more of the dating and social dynamics content. I feel like over the years I've created enough of a gap between old dating Max and new business Max that I can know touch on both things without deluding who I am. That's also a reason why you see me bringing aaaall kinds of cool dating coaches back for collabs.
Love the episode man - so much knowledge in these two guys, they took it to an whole other level with the years of experience they have. - Glad you brought up that the travelling and the broken nights almost costed you your sanity because sometimes this lifestyle seems to be glorified but it can be taxing on your system, Erik and Beckster sure seem to have aged quite the bit faster but I’m not judging. One might say that it also brings some mental health challenges (I.e. lack of sleep) with it and that the pursuit of women could be and endless road to go on. But still it’s a skillset every guy should add to their arsenal to experience freedom with women they want and eventually choose to get a girlfriend, multiple girlfriends, get married, whatever. There’s no one-size-fits-all blueprint for living life. Who’s up next, Max? Madison? Todd? Brad? Julien?
gg ma man, glad you loved the episode! I think they both look much younger than their age but that's in the eye of the beholder haha. I can attest tho that it's a veeeery crazy lifestyle and can be super tiring. Who's next: I've had Madison on the podcast already twice - go have a look ;) Todd doesn't want to be on the podcast unfortunately, already asked him twice :( Brand and Julien I'd be down whenever we're on the same continent lol
Random but one of my favorite "frames" that Max taught back in the day was that any positive thing that happens when you approach a woman is a "bonus". Max do you remember that?
ohhh I can see you haven't been following for the past couple days. Been eating about one kg of meat for the past 3 years every single day - but only high quality and locally sourced
There's no point in getting him on the podcast because every question you would possibly want to ask him, he already answered within one of his YT videos. Literally if you ask this dude a question it's like you get a 30 minute TH-cam rant personalised for yourself.
@@BenjaminUrbanekWould be great for Max and Owen to share what they've both learned away from each other. That would be the whole point, seeing Owen was he's mentor.
Oh hahah James Marshall is an Australian guy who teachers pick up, Cory Skyy is a guy for inner game and eye contact for game. Different styles and approaches to pick up. Max back in the day you really helped me get off my ass and take action, I remember some of your old videos and they gave me alot of momentum and helped me living a great life, still more to learn, Thank you again. 😊
@@TheMaxTornowPodcast I’m really show my age here. Rick H was the top student of Ross Jeffries who then moved in with David Deangelo. Rick H was the main influence for Cocky & Funny. Swinggcat was had very similar origins and was influenced by both, he was Neil Strauss main wing, the book the game changed his name to “grimble”. He is probably most remembered as the guy who brought Push Pull into the industry. Both really interesting guys.
But Mystery is using this as an excuse. Sending emails to his clients once doesn't speak for 20 years of success. Mystery could still go on and create products and have programs I thinks the book game is miss represented And Mystery was in it for the game not for the business so he should not dis Owen I like how Mystery came up with the initial game concepts but Owen was successful with the business.
It would be good to play the devils advocate and critise some of the ideas of people you interview. Mystery is a firm believer for instance of meeting beautiful women predominantly in clubs and all other venues are a waste of time - so that's such a minimalistic mindset. He's definitely a pinioneer but his ideas thankfully arent as prevalent
Mystery just means that the club is the best place to meet many quality people, not the only place. Also, by clubs we also mean cocktail bars, up market bars and high end social events 🎉 Daygame is bonus rounds, unless you live in a Daygame city most with my people to socialise with, however the reality is most people don’t. What you’re looking for the most important thing 1st to decide is location, location, location! Right city, right apartment/airbnb and right club/bar/street to Game! 🕺
@@BecksterLifestyle I'm a big fan of you and mystery. You guys are definitely pioneers in the dating world. Personally, I like the mystery method, although the multi-threading concept mystery claims the origins of, was invented by toecutter - an Australian guy in the forums back in the day. I believe he was the only natural there in the forums and had great insights into concepts that worked. Because of these ideas, I've been lucky enough to come across, I found the relationships I've wanted. But as a fan, I do have to disagree with the idea that clubs are the best places to meet quality women. For most people, they meet women in life: work, social events, gym, restaurants etc. it's the reason why RSD market themselves on this core idea, and attract so many people to their boot camps. The ability to meet women everywhere and have lots of day game boot camps. And also they market the ability to meet women without any tricks and gimmicks like magic acts which mystery heavily relies on because of who he is ( a great magician). If you guys had lots of everyday interactions showing only storytelling pickups, whether it be clubs or day game, I don't doubt you guys would attract a lot of the men who don't have time for clubs and party tricks and just want to meet people. You guys would definitely be better than the biggest pua businesses today. But I do truly respect what you guys have accomplished and the wonderful contributions you've given in this industry. Without you guys, there wouldn't be the pua market that exists today. So thank you.
My daughter wouldn’t be here without Mystery
dayuuuum that's deep
I’m so happy to see this! This was a dream collaboration of a podcast
thanks champ, really kind to read!
Lol misread this as "This was a wet dream of a podcast"
Great to hang out with Max.
Lots said that was never said before for sure. Game on guys 🕺🎩
Beckster! 🤜 Its like seeing an old friend.
it's been a pleasure ma man!
Good stuff
Great Information
Refreshing to see the OGs getting together again, Max was always the instructor I resonated with most during those days, i felt like i had so many similarities, would love to meet him for real one day when i can offer him real value
Man! Mystery? Is this the best podcast or what!
well, yeah, in my opinion it is... but I'm biased haha
Mystery... eine oldschool LEGENDE. Geil.
ja total!
Max returning to his roots. Nice :)
Boom shakalaka 🎉
Way better
I love it just saw he’s channel literally just now keep it up
Brooo I didn’t realize Max was still around post RSD! This is an awesome convo!
ehehe always, champ ;)
34 minutes and already so much value. U r the best guys, thank you!
boom shakalaka!
Yoo I just discovered the channel. Awesome. Subscribed!
Glad youre back Max.
welcome champ!
Mystery fascinates me. He's so analytical yet so empathetic at the same time.
The example of the soldier coming home from war and having nobody to greet him is super powerful. Social skills make a difference ❤
One of the best podcasts! Thank you Max. Great channel
Cool to see these guys talking about game. Max was good to be interested and let them talk about their beliefs of game.
Many would say what max and rsd used to teach was an advancement on mystery, and mystery hasn’t evolved. But, most guys that are really active try to learn something from everyone.
Good talk. Hope to hear max cover this content from time to time. He has a loyal following still!
Glad you liked it man. I was aiming as much as possible to let them talk since I knew the 2 have over a decade of history together and probably vibe super well. And yes, always keen to cover some more of the dating and social dynamics content. I feel like over the years I've created enough of a gap between old dating Max and new business Max that I can know touch on both things without deluding who I am. That's also a reason why you see me bringing aaaall kinds of cool dating coaches back for collabs.
Younger guy so I didn't grow up knowing these guys, but this was a great interview great energy
Wonderful podcast, man, I felt at that moment again, wonderful.
epic to hear champ!
Absolute Legends here sharing the alpha once again 🔥❤️
Interview Ross Jeffries / Paul Ross on his book subtle words that sell and how he uses meditation and deals with fatigue
@@billusher2265 lol love the details, you’re even giving me ideas on what to ask him 💪🏼💪🏼
im watching vh1 pickup artist right now. what a great show, wish there were more seasons
Love the episode man - so much knowledge in these two guys, they took it to an whole other level with the years of experience they have. - Glad you brought up that the travelling and the broken nights almost costed you your sanity because sometimes this lifestyle seems to be glorified but it can be taxing on your system, Erik and Beckster sure seem to have aged quite the bit faster but I’m not judging.
One might say that it also brings some mental health challenges (I.e. lack of sleep) with it and that the pursuit of women could be and endless road to go on. But still it’s a skillset every guy should add to their arsenal to experience freedom with women they want and eventually choose to get a girlfriend, multiple girlfriends, get married, whatever. There’s no one-size-fits-all blueprint for living life.
Who’s up next, Max? Madison? Todd? Brad? Julien?
gg ma man, glad you loved the episode! I think they both look much younger than their age but that's in the eye of the beholder haha.
I can attest tho that it's a veeeery crazy lifestyle and can be super tiring.
Who's next: I've had Madison on the podcast already twice - go have a look ;)
Todd doesn't want to be on the podcast unfortunately, already asked him twice :(
Brand and Julien I'd be down whenever we're on the same continent lol
@@TheMaxTornowPodcast or Ozzie even! Haha but thanks for everything Max
This was fantastic Max! 😄
Would love to see an interview with T Valentine
thanks champ! Unfortunately he doesn't want to be on my podcast. already asked him multiple times :(
Thanks Max, great content! Would be awesome to see one with Julien or Tyler
1:37:18 that's a fucking legendary moment haha, Mystery instantly spitting his opener/routine 😁
so good eh
I love Max talking about game again. Thanks for ALL the lessons
ehehe gg!
@@TheMaxTornowPodcast GG Max ✌️
I love Mystery AND Beckster. Such great guys.
yeah they're cool guys!
Julien also used a lot the LOTR theme to open girls “Fuck me Gandalf Iam a Hobbit”
Random but one of my favorite "frames" that Max taught back in the day was that any positive thing that happens when you approach a woman is a "bonus". Max do you remember that?
hehe ofc i still remember that, that's epic to know!
Max coming back to fulfill his callings doing Gods work
ehehe
1:31:55 “beauty is mathematical”
Look how Beckster looks at Mystery. He’s in love lol
amazing podcast, subscribed
thanks champ and welcome!
This is epic!
thanks!
just discovered your channel, subscribed. Thanks for the podcast Max but by any chance can u get Todd?
welcome welcome champ! Asked Todd already multiple times but he doesn't wanna do it unfortunately.
Very nice guests! Legend! Greets :)
totally!
amazing thanks
gg mate!
1:16:13 I watched it. It’s amazing. I’m also (re)watching Californication.... lots of dynamics there...
ha dope ma man!
Mystery is the best coach in game hands down. I like how his advise is so practical.
yeah he's super practical!
1:48:43 Where's the lip readers at 😂
ehehe
Such a shame that audio is clipping - buy better quality headsets/mics. Insightful nonetheless.
Show time 🤘
boom shakalaka
Thanks for a great conversation! You guys vibed really well
P.S. Stakes tho? You are no longer vegetarian?..
ohhh I can see you haven't been following for the past couple days. Been eating about one kg of meat for the past 3 years every single day - but only high quality and locally sourced
What was mystery’s music website
asking the reaaaal questions here ehehe
mysterysmix
Damn that Lord of the Rings segway was getting good damn it.
ehehe I 100% agree man i love talking about nerd stuff
1:50 beckster telling a dhv story
lol!
Don't get Owen here. Our brains won't handle it.🥵🤯
ehehe i'd be down
There's no point in getting him on the podcast because every question you would possibly want to ask him, he already answered within one of his YT videos. Literally if you ask this dude a question it's like you get a 30 minute TH-cam rant personalised for yourself.
@@TheMaxTornowPodcast Would like to see it!
@@BenjaminUrbanekWould be great for Max and Owen to share what they've both learned away from each other. That would be the whole point, seeing Owen was he's mentor.
Owen the best man..
1:34:46 Opening
Need to see you do one with James Marchele and one with Cory skyy
who are these people tho?
Oh hahah James Marshall is an Australian guy who teachers pick up, Cory Skyy is a guy for inner game and eye contact for game. Different styles and approaches to pick up. Max back in the day you really helped me get off my ass and take action, I remember some of your old videos and they gave me alot of momentum and helped me living a great life, still more to learn, Thank you again. 😊
Gold!
indeed! GG
1:40:00 LOL i was just watching Fearless yesterday
ehehe thats dope ma man!
1:52:56 “let go your baggage”
Niceee
gg!
I created a clip from your podcast- anyone on the team I can share/email it to?!
13:31 that “oh shit” was sooo honest 😂 Even I knew that story, sure max had NO idea 🥱
i honestly had no idea lol
21:00 Soft Close: Are you instagram friendly?
Max is back?
never been gone champ ehehe
I challenge you to interview Swinggcat or Rick H.. go!
never heard of 'em but sounds cool
@@TheMaxTornowPodcast I’m really show my age here. Rick H was the top student of Ross Jeffries who then moved in with David Deangelo. Rick H was the main influence for Cocky & Funny. Swinggcat was had very similar origins and was influenced by both, he was Neil Strauss main wing, the book the game changed his name to “grimble”. He is probably most remembered as the guy who brought Push Pull into the industry. Both really interesting guys.
@@TheMaxTornowPodcastPioneer of Pushpull, wrote the book real world seduction. absolute beast. Though he disappeared, not online famous
Who is Papa in real life from book The Game ? Is it Julian Blanc ? i know Tyler Duran is Owen Cook
It's Nick Kho!
Thanks 🙏 ☺️
1:39:24
Interview Vadim from Honest Signalz and Hamza Ahmed
good idea, we DM sometimes
From the Austrian alps 😂
ehehe
🔥🔥🔥
❤❤
Please bring todd
I tried already - asked him multiple times, he doesn't wanna do it...
are there verifyable correlations of what type of girl likes what?
But Mystery is using this as an excuse.
Sending emails to his clients once doesn't speak for 20 years of success.
Mystery could still go on and create products and have programs
I thinks the book game is miss represented
And Mystery was in it for the game not for the business so he should not dis Owen
I like how Mystery came up with the initial game concepts but Owen was successful with the business.
This is the guy who made a million dollars
Save me
It would be good to play the devils advocate and critise some of the ideas of people you interview. Mystery is a firm believer for instance of meeting beautiful women predominantly in clubs and all other venues are a waste of time - so that's such a minimalistic mindset. He's definitely a pinioneer but his ideas thankfully arent as prevalent
I do criticize when I disagree with someone. I didn't at that instance.
Mystery just means that the club is the best place to meet many quality people, not the only place.
Also, by clubs we also mean cocktail bars, up market bars and high end social events 🎉
Daygame is bonus rounds, unless you live in a Daygame city most with my people to socialise with, however the reality is most people don’t. What you’re looking for the most important thing 1st to decide is location, location, location!
Right city, right apartment/airbnb and right club/bar/street to Game! 🕺
@@BecksterLifestyle I'm a big fan of you and mystery. You guys are definitely pioneers in the dating world. Personally, I like the mystery method, although the multi-threading concept mystery claims the origins of, was invented by toecutter - an Australian guy in the forums back in the day. I believe he was the only natural there in the forums and had great insights into concepts that worked. Because of these ideas, I've been lucky enough to come across, I found the relationships I've wanted.
But as a fan, I do have to disagree with the idea that clubs are the best places to meet quality women. For most people, they meet women in life: work, social events, gym, restaurants etc. it's the reason why RSD market themselves on this core idea, and attract so many people to their boot camps. The ability to meet women everywhere and have lots of day game boot camps. And also they market the ability to meet women without any tricks and gimmicks like magic acts which mystery heavily relies on because of who he is ( a great magician). If you guys had lots of everyday interactions showing only storytelling pickups, whether it be clubs or day game, I don't doubt you guys would attract a lot of the men who don't have time for clubs and party tricks and just want to meet people. You guys would definitely be better than the biggest pua businesses today.
But I do truly respect what you guys have accomplished and the wonderful contributions you've given in this industry. Without you guys, there wouldn't be the pua market that exists today. So thank you.
i cant believe these guys still don't teach how to filter out crazy but just "Screw whatever you can get your hands on"...be careful out there gents
Well said
lol!
ehehe
These guys are almost always the people traumatized during high school
This is so cringe now. Mystery lowkey had gay experiences
Quite interesting to see a conversation with Owen RSD of Julien
Owen stopped talking about chicks. It's so pathetic
Go back to helping men please we need you
still helping men, turned a bunch of them into millionaires over the past couple years ehehe (males and females tho haha)