The ‘Birmingham Screwjob’.- HBK beating Bulldog at WWF One Night Only. Tasteless. “Sometimes if I wonder if it was connected to the Montreal Screwjob. Sometimes I don’t wanna think that because then I start thinking about these conspiracy theories. It was something in the works then and we didn’t know it.” - Diana Hart-Smith “We wanted to do something different England … What happened there that night was the right call.” - Shawn Michaels, My Journey.
@jamescarey2912 Don't be dumb-on-purpose. WwE NEVER goes to England and BUlldog is the national hero. Watch that entire buildup and you will clearly see what a disgrace HBK was.
@@kamfisher1714I don’t know, totally not because Davey’s cancer ridden sister was there in the crowd that night and he had dedicated the match to her. Also, he was supposed to go over until Shawn’s big fucking head had to soil the entire thing. It was tasteless and stupid
@@kamfisher1714 HBK didn't need the European title, at the time, it was only to appease him because Shawn had literally threw a hissy fit in the ring when someone threw a drink at him and it hit him in the head and left the arena literally no showing the match.
The Lex Express in 1993. Luger was supposed beat Yokozuna for the WWE Title. But Vince McMahon decided to have Lex win by count out and having Bret Hart beat Yokozuna for the WWE Title instead.
No Lex was booked to win the strap. Leading up to the event, Lex blabbed to a reporter, spilling the beans about his upcoming win. Vince got wind of that report and put the Kybosh at the last minute.
@@yoholmes273 Also Luger wasn't the huge babyface that Vince wanted because they had literally had him at Mania 9 as "The Narcissist" vs Crush, but then they changed him babyface and he kept getting luke-warm reactions, even when he did the bodyslam challenge.
Putting the ECW world title on Steve Corino at November to remember 2000. I was there and the crowd Shat on it. 1st the match was a clusterfuck and nobody understood it. Most people wanted Jerry Lynn to retain or Sandman to win. After the eliminations the crowd started cheering Justin Credible then they overbooked the finish. I felt bad for Corino but it was the shitz
Tommy: 10) I always wondered how Southwest got canned. And, given what Tommy said... Yeah, I believe it. I disagree with Dave, though. I believe WWF would've just kicked the door in, especially with how Vince started paying stations to carry his programming. And wasn't he already doing some of his Capital Centre cards on USA too? 9) Yeah, you either pull the trigger on Lex or you don't even start it. You had to find someone to pay off slamming Yoko there, or you kill the entire face side of your roster in one shot. Problem: That pretty much has to consummate with the belt, or you find somebody else who will. 8) When Vince said he had WCW by the throat, he meant it as a shoot. One of the things which sickens me about the business in late 2023 is that WWE/TKO have the initiative to put AEW out of business and basically reduce the opportunities for other places to work. But this had no chance. Vince wasn't going to let it be this way. 7) There are any number of those in wrestling history -- Hell, we just saw one at Tommy's #9. But someone like TNA has less margin for error. 6) That's my #1. Because, if it was a matter of not willing to do business, you don't have the match at Super Sunday. And that basically sealed the deal on Verne. Because not only does he lose Hulk, he basically loses most of his roster to Vince just poaching it out from under him! And within two years, he's a minor-league promotion on the way out, but it takes another five or six before it completely shitcans.
Did Tommy ever do 5-1 once Sam got on it? My Top 5: 1) Hogan gets screwed on Super Sunday. Killed the AWA outright. 2) Luger and the Maryland State Athletic Commission at Bash '88. Finished the job on Jim Crockett and it took Bischoff and Nitro (and five years?) to save the company temporarily. 3) Fiend-Rollins, stopping a Hell in a Cell match. That's about the one match type you do not stop, even under present sensibilities. Killed The Fiend character, and pretty much killed Hell in a Cell. 4) Aborting the CM Punk situation or hotshotting it or whatever. You could well have solidified arrangements with companies all over the world you wanted to work with if you were Vince at that point by actually HAVING Punk defend the title in New Japan or something like that, and you could still have the home promotion say he's not the legit titleholder. But then you hotshot the whole thing and shoot it clear in the head. 5) I'll put the Fingerpoke here because I think WCW was already swirling the drain, largely thanks to Vince enforcing, iron fist, on his locker room. THAT, enforcing the Screwjob and making it clear who ran the show, won the Monday Night Wars. The Fingerpoke was a counterexample.
With the "Summer of Punk" angle, they indeed were actually going to do what TNA ended up doing with AJ styles and that was have Punk go to different indy companies and go to Japan and defend the "WWE Championship", but he would end up coming back and taking John Cenas spot, but because Triple H and Kevin Nash didn't "like the idea", they got into Vince's ear and Vince ix-nayed it and it was supposed to have set up the whole "Nash vs Punk" angle where Nash was to be the heel and say he was fed up with Punk being on his high horse and that the reason he screwed him out of the WWE title was to show him what he can do" etc, but when Punk eviscerated him on the microphone (the "OMG Kevin Nash, thought he was dead! LOL!" text message bit) And with the Rollins/Fiend HIAC match, I remember Sean Waltman watching it and going "that was a fucking piece of shit!, you DO NOT have DQs in a hell in a cell match!"
Dave Part II: 5) No it wasn't, Dave. It was an openly racist angle, from Vince. What HHH said was not only what a lot of promoters believed back in the day, but Vince loudest of all. In fact, so much so, he turned Kofi Kingston's win into a patronizing moment that, given the opportunity, he completely nullified. Another match which never should've taken place. And for those who think you couldn't effectively do something like that "BECAUSE": Ron Simmons says hello. 4) That's a tough call on The Streak. And here's the worst part of it: Heyman's a shitstirrer. This almost certainly was stirring shit. But if Lesnar wanted to shoot on Taker, at Mania, to end The Streak, could Taker have done anything about it? Especially with a concussion? If you know what I'm saying and what I might be implying... If you don't want to end The Streak with Lesnar, then don't have the match at Mania. And if you don't want to end The Streak with Lesnar, who DO you end it with? Roman??? 3) I said that WCW was basically gone long before Arquette. Vince pretty much had the dagger in, Hogan, etc. finished it with the Fingerpoke. 2) That was another company-killer, especially given the context. Oof. 1) I don't see how that's a bad _booking decision_, more than just it was executed so shit with the False Screwjob (which wasn't a false screwjob to begin with!). Sting has to win that match or you have to give company over to the NWO, and they weren't gonna do that.
Dave: 10 (and really 9 as well): Vince thinks he's the sole Alpha Male, up to and including rape and murder (which I believe he's done to members of the roster). The bad booking decision in Mania 31 was letting Vince jack off on what he hoped was the corpse of the industry by having this match at all. I was at Mania 31, and that made NO SENSE. As for The Nexus: Vince, for all of what he says otherwise, HATES NXT and hates even giving opportunities to all but the very cream of the top who will literally kiss his ass. The Nexus was a great way to get NXT over in a way which would make them relevant, but you couldn't do that -- because 1) Vince hates anything he doesn't create -- even when he farms it out... and 2) Daniel Bryan was really hated by Vince, 22 ways from Tuesday. 8) As I said in the other comment, that's my #1. That ended the AWA. The AWA could've been a national third promotion, especially with what it ended up getting in ESPN. The fact is, though, they had The Man. I don't think anyone can underestimate how much Hulk could've done for that company. But there were two problems: One was the merch money and that Hulk and Verne both knew Hulk was bigger than the company. The second was Verne thinking he could wrestle his way through this. It wasn't wrestling anymore, especially in Verne's view of it. 7) By then, I don't think WCW was saveable. The saddest thing about it: The more you know about Arquette and his approach to the business, the less you have against this. He gave all the money from his wrestling to the Pillman family (IIRC), and really, even to this day, has tried to take the business seriously to "atone". This was above Arquette. 6) See #9 and #10. They even began to trial-run the match in a number of house shows, and even did some screwjob wins for Flair that didn't change the belt, etc. But then Vince had to Vince and you know what happens from there.
Austin Mania X7 easily the worst of all time, I remember all my friends in school and even their parents just loosing interest almost straight away after that and the next few months after
In no order Piper not beating hogan for the wwe title before losing it back in 85 Finger poke of doom Normal count during the sting hogan starcade match Dusty finish for the road warriors winning the tag titles in Chicago Lex winning by count out at summer slam Triple h beating booker t at wrestlemania after their racist storyline Goldberg beating the fiend in 2 minutes killing the fiend as a top heel The invasion where wcw looked like a complete joke Austin turning heel at wrestlemania killing the wwes hot streak
The problem with some of these is that, in many cases, these are matches which never should've sanely taken place. HHH-Sting in WWE with Vince running the show was a non-starter. So was Booker T-HHH, especially with Booker T being the last WCW champion (and that's before we get to how much of a racist prick Vince is). The Montreal Screwjob never happens if I'm booking: Bret is fired for insubordination (or Cornette, now that he admits he was the genesis of it with history, sends someone out to shoot on Bret and take him out of the equation legit!), the match never happens, the belt is given to Shawn at the next US card. Neither, even with it being my #1, does Super Sunday. If this was a merch deal or Japan money or whatever have you, then Verne can't let that match go on and screw them again. He's either gotta give Hulk the strap or move on.
Triple H beating sting is not a blunder. It was an entertaining match and Trips is also a legend. Both men were well past their prime. It’s not a big deal.
I’m gonna bring up a bad booking idea non of you guys brought up. How about Ric Flair as the black scorpion in WCW. That was Ole Anderson’s idea! Or worse, the appearance of Robo cop! Nightmare on booking street!
Dave is wrong about Roman Reigns beating Taker's streak. I think he forgets Roman getting boo'ed out the building as a face in Philadelphia. The Rock couldn't even save him with his cosign. The fans were not ready for Roman to be the man at that time, especially since WWE was shoving him down the fans throat ala John Cena.
Great video. I'm glad you guys are back on TH-cam.
Better yet, imagine if Randy Orton defeated The Undertaker at WM 21. The build was perfect. And Randy is a star.
The way Bret Hart was booked after the montreal screwjob going to wcw is the all-time worst booking ever hands down.
The ‘Birmingham Screwjob’.- HBK beating Bulldog at WWF One Night Only. Tasteless.
“Sometimes if I wonder if it was connected to the Montreal Screwjob. Sometimes I don’t wanna think that because then I start thinking about these conspiracy theories. It was something in the works then and we didn’t know it.” - Diana Hart-Smith
“We wanted to do something different England … What happened there that night was the right call.” - Shawn Michaels, My Journey.
Too much emphasis is placed on where an event takes place. The guy from Chicago shouldn't always win/debut/etc.. when in Chicago, etc...
@jamescarey2912 Don't be dumb-on-purpose.
WwE NEVER goes to England and BUlldog is the national hero.
Watch that entire buildup and you will clearly see what a disgrace HBK was.
Why would HBK lose ?
@@kamfisher1714I don’t know, totally not because Davey’s cancer ridden sister was there in the crowd that night and he had dedicated the match to her. Also, he was supposed to go over until Shawn’s big fucking head had to soil the entire thing. It was tasteless and stupid
@@kamfisher1714 HBK didn't need the European title, at the time, it was only to appease him because Shawn had literally threw a hissy fit in the ring when someone threw a drink at him and it hit him in the head and left the arena literally no showing the match.
Wait...how have I never heard that Dory Funk Sr. got shot on television????
The Lex Express in 1993. Luger was supposed beat Yokozuna for the WWE Title. But Vince McMahon decided to have Lex win by count out and having Bret Hart beat Yokozuna for the WWE Title instead.
No
Lex was booked to win the strap.
Leading up to the event, Lex blabbed to a reporter, spilling the beans about his upcoming win.
Vince got wind of that report and put the Kybosh at the last minute.
@@yoholmes273 Also Luger wasn't the huge babyface that Vince wanted because they had literally had him at Mania 9 as "The Narcissist" vs Crush, but then they changed him babyface and he kept getting luke-warm reactions, even when he did the bodyslam challenge.
@GenGamesUniverse "Luke warm reactions".
Sure, kid.
how did no one have goldberg beating the fiend that basically killed bray wyatt fiend character
Putting the ECW world title on Steve Corino at November to remember 2000. I was there and the crowd Shat on it. 1st the match was a clusterfuck and nobody understood it. Most people wanted Jerry Lynn to retain or Sandman to win. After the eliminations the crowd started cheering Justin Credible then they overbooked the finish. I felt bad for Corino but it was the shitz
Steve Corino was awesome. What a shameful way to use him
Baba putting the belt on Bam Bam when Stan was still the Man.
Tommy:
10) I always wondered how Southwest got canned. And, given what Tommy said... Yeah, I believe it.
I disagree with Dave, though. I believe WWF would've just kicked the door in, especially with how Vince started paying stations to carry his programming. And wasn't he already doing some of his Capital Centre cards on USA too?
9) Yeah, you either pull the trigger on Lex or you don't even start it. You had to find someone to pay off slamming Yoko there, or you kill the entire face side of your roster in one shot. Problem: That pretty much has to consummate with the belt, or you find somebody else who will.
8) When Vince said he had WCW by the throat, he meant it as a shoot. One of the things which sickens me about the business in late 2023 is that WWE/TKO have the initiative to put AEW out of business and basically reduce the opportunities for other places to work.
But this had no chance. Vince wasn't going to let it be this way.
7) There are any number of those in wrestling history -- Hell, we just saw one at Tommy's #9. But someone like TNA has less margin for error.
6) That's my #1. Because, if it was a matter of not willing to do business, you don't have the match at Super Sunday. And that basically sealed the deal on Verne. Because not only does he lose Hulk, he basically loses most of his roster to Vince just poaching it out from under him! And within two years, he's a minor-league promotion on the way out, but it takes another five or six before it completely shitcans.
If I’m not mistaken, Punk’s “return” actually happened on a double taping so technically he was “gone” for a couple of hours.
Worst booking decision of all time. AEW!
I’M HARDCORE.
I listened to the podcast and Im watching this video. Take that Tommy Dreamer.
Sting was a member of the wolfpac so why couldn’t the nwo come down to try and make the save. It’s not as insane as they make it sound.
When Tommy Dreamer talks about screwing over ur fanbase reminds me of being a Rays fan while they keep blowing it in the playoffs
Did Tommy ever do 5-1 once Sam got on it?
My Top 5:
1) Hogan gets screwed on Super Sunday. Killed the AWA outright.
2) Luger and the Maryland State Athletic Commission at Bash '88. Finished the job on Jim Crockett and it took Bischoff and Nitro (and five years?) to save the company temporarily.
3) Fiend-Rollins, stopping a Hell in a Cell match. That's about the one match type you do not stop, even under present sensibilities. Killed The Fiend character, and pretty much killed Hell in a Cell.
4) Aborting the CM Punk situation or hotshotting it or whatever. You could well have solidified arrangements with companies all over the world you wanted to work with if you were Vince at that point by actually HAVING Punk defend the title in New Japan or something like that, and you could still have the home promotion say he's not the legit titleholder. But then you hotshot the whole thing and shoot it clear in the head.
5) I'll put the Fingerpoke here because I think WCW was already swirling the drain, largely thanks to Vince enforcing, iron fist, on his locker room. THAT, enforcing the Screwjob and making it clear who ran the show, won the Monday Night Wars. The Fingerpoke was a counterexample.
With the "Summer of Punk" angle, they indeed were actually going to do what TNA ended up doing with AJ styles and that was have Punk go to different indy companies and go to Japan and defend the "WWE Championship", but he would end up coming back and taking John Cenas spot, but because Triple H and Kevin Nash didn't "like the idea", they got into Vince's ear and Vince ix-nayed it and it was supposed to have set up the whole "Nash vs Punk" angle where Nash was to be the heel and say he was fed up with Punk being on his high horse and that the reason he screwed him out of the WWE title was to show him what he can do" etc, but when Punk eviscerated him on the microphone (the "OMG Kevin Nash, thought he was dead! LOL!" text message bit)
And with the Rollins/Fiend HIAC match, I remember Sean Waltman watching it and going "that was a fucking piece of shit!, you DO NOT have DQs in a hell in a cell match!"
Worst booking decision in my opinion was Bart Gunn vs Dr Death Steve Williams. NIAGARA AL
Triple H booking Theory to cash in on the US Title then lose should be the top of every list
The invasion should be #1 on the list.
Cena over bray - wrestlemania
Lesnar over taker
Most of triple hhh title wins
The worst - Goldberg - the fiend and Kevin Owen’s
the goatee on the podcast goat. looks good Dave.
The bray Wyatt Goldberg blunder is number 1 on my list
Vince coming out as the higher power
DDP revealed as the stalker
Dutch Mantel being with Alberto Del Rio
I agree with the caller. Diesel beating Bob was stupid. Diesel should have beaten Owen in 8 seconds! Would have fit owens character perfectly
Anything from vince Russo
Time to update this this mania 40
That is just an idiotic idea. Unreal
Sting was the last WCW star that triple H had left to bury.
I forgot to add Doc and Bart had a fight with boxing gloves on it was a shoot Bart ruined him. NIAGARA Al
Lashley should have gone over Cena at GAB.
The invasion angle
Brock shouldn't have beaten Taker. Brock was over and could easily have gotten back over. Smh
I agree. Either you use the streak to elevate someone else or don't let Taker lose the streak.
Outrages they left out the rest of sams picks on TH-cam
Sting was in nwo Wolfpack tho
Raven in WCW
Dave Part II:
5) No it wasn't, Dave. It was an openly racist angle, from Vince. What HHH said was not only what a lot of promoters believed back in the day, but Vince loudest of all. In fact, so much so, he turned Kofi Kingston's win into a patronizing moment that, given the opportunity, he completely nullified. Another match which never should've taken place.
And for those who think you couldn't effectively do something like that "BECAUSE": Ron Simmons says hello.
4) That's a tough call on The Streak. And here's the worst part of it: Heyman's a shitstirrer. This almost certainly was stirring shit. But if Lesnar wanted to shoot on Taker, at Mania, to end The Streak, could Taker have done anything about it? Especially with a concussion? If you know what I'm saying and what I might be implying... If you don't want to end The Streak with Lesnar, then don't have the match at Mania. And if you don't want to end The Streak with Lesnar, who DO you end it with? Roman???
3) I said that WCW was basically gone long before Arquette. Vince pretty much had the dagger in, Hogan, etc. finished it with the Fingerpoke.
2) That was another company-killer, especially given the context. Oof.
1) I don't see how that's a bad _booking decision_, more than just it was executed so shit with the False Screwjob (which wasn't a false screwjob to begin with!). Sting has to win that match or you have to give company over to the NWO, and they weren't gonna do that.
Dave:
10 (and really 9 as well): Vince thinks he's the sole Alpha Male, up to and including rape and murder (which I believe he's done to members of the roster). The bad booking decision in Mania 31 was letting Vince jack off on what he hoped was the corpse of the industry by having this match at all. I was at Mania 31, and that made NO SENSE.
As for The Nexus: Vince, for all of what he says otherwise, HATES NXT and hates even giving opportunities to all but the very cream of the top who will literally kiss his ass. The Nexus was a great way to get NXT over in a way which would make them relevant, but you couldn't do that -- because 1) Vince hates anything he doesn't create -- even when he farms it out... and 2) Daniel Bryan was really hated by Vince, 22 ways from Tuesday.
8) As I said in the other comment, that's my #1. That ended the AWA. The AWA could've been a national third promotion, especially with what it ended up getting in ESPN. The fact is, though, they had The Man. I don't think anyone can underestimate how much Hulk could've done for that company. But there were two problems: One was the merch money and that Hulk and Verne both knew Hulk was bigger than the company. The second was Verne thinking he could wrestle his way through this. It wasn't wrestling anymore, especially in Verne's view of it.
7) By then, I don't think WCW was saveable. The saddest thing about it: The more you know about Arquette and his approach to the business, the less you have against this. He gave all the money from his wrestling to the Pillman family (IIRC), and really, even to this day, has tried to take the business seriously to "atone". This was above Arquette.
6) See #9 and #10. They even began to trial-run the match in a number of house shows, and even did some screwjob wins for Flair that didn't change the belt, etc. But then Vince had to Vince and you know what happens from there.
Austin Mania X7 easily the worst of all time, I remember all my friends in school and even their parents just loosing interest almost straight away after that and the next few months after
Millions still watched
Wheres the full video? Lol
worst booking blunder creating aew 🤣
Not creating it.
Letting an unqualified cracked out rich kid actually booking it. 👀
WORST BOOKING WAS JOHN CENA WINNING THE TITLE 14 TIMES
In no order
Piper not beating hogan for the wwe title before losing it back in 85
Finger poke of doom
Normal count during the sting hogan starcade match
Dusty finish for the road warriors winning the tag titles in Chicago
Lex winning by count out at summer slam
Triple h beating booker t at wrestlemania after their racist storyline
Goldberg beating the fiend in 2 minutes killing the fiend as a top heel
The invasion where wcw looked like a complete joke
Austin turning heel at wrestlemania killing the wwes hot streak
Jesus, Tommy really tends to add stuff from his career into list like this. Bobby fucking Roode?? Really bruh
The problem with some of these is that, in many cases, these are matches which never should've sanely taken place.
HHH-Sting in WWE with Vince running the show was a non-starter.
So was Booker T-HHH, especially with Booker T being the last WCW champion (and that's before we get to how much of a racist prick Vince is).
The Montreal Screwjob never happens if I'm booking: Bret is fired for insubordination (or Cornette, now that he admits he was the genesis of it with history, sends someone out to shoot on Bret and take him out of the equation legit!), the match never happens, the belt is given to Shawn at the next US card.
Neither, even with it being my #1, does Super Sunday. If this was a merch deal or Japan money or whatever have you, then Verne can't let that match go on and screw them again. He's either gotta give Hulk the strap or move on.
Triple H beating sting is not a blunder. It was an entertaining match and Trips is also a legend. Both men were well past their prime. It’s not a big deal.
aew meat madness what is that name of ppv lol
I’m gonna bring up a bad booking idea non of you guys brought up. How about Ric Flair as the black scorpion in WCW. That was Ole Anderson’s idea! Or worse, the appearance of Robo cop! Nightmare on booking street!
Absolutely Cool!!!!
Dave is wrong about Roman Reigns beating Taker's streak. I think he forgets Roman getting boo'ed out the building as a face in Philadelphia. The Rock couldn't even save him with his cosign. The fans were not ready for Roman to be the man at that time, especially since WWE was shoving him down the fans throat ala John Cena.
Sting should not have beaten HHH , stop it.