The 2 things that AEW needs to turn things around: - A competent experienced Booker with vision/direction - Getting rid of the Bucks and all their terrible influence
Bucks peaked as Bullet Club heels in NJPW Not since then have they been cool. They have had some good matches in aew, but their personas have been lackluster at best.
The Bucks act annoying and "mean", but they have no real menace or intensity to their heel characters, and neither does Jack Perry. That may be okay for a midcard feud, but this is the company's top storyline. They can do spots where they attack or fire people, but there's no drama to it because they aren't serious enough heels.
Bubba and Tommy had their bad days in booking and creative but can't blame them for everyone's fault back in the days. But they got AEW's shit figured out better than TK or any of his dummies just following the basics and utilizing actual and legit EXPERIENCE. Business is simple if you had any idea what the fuck you're trynna do.
The way Tony Khan has been doing things in the past 5 years I think Tommy's estimate of a 2 hour PPV isn't realistic at all. No way Tony will be pleased with 7 minutes per match. I say 3 hours minimum for this PPV
Nope. I mainly see people making fun of TK and the Elite story going on. Swerve has become a after thought just as much as Stings last match became a after thought once Darby went through that plate of glass.
Finally AEW has a massive storyline that works! This needs to last several months with small battles and conclude with a war. I agree with these guys! Great show!
The elite is awful an absolutely ridiculous story with feckless heels. There is no saving AEW,. THE WRONG PEOPLE GET PUSHED IN AEW. WHY IS SWERVE BEING BURIED
The Elite story is great, is it a NWO knockoff yes but so was Main event Mafia, Aces and Eights, and the Nexus. Also Swerve isn't buried he's not only A gonna the win at DoN but B because he's messed with the elites business, they hired Christian Cage to take him down. Christian also told Swerve everything from him before DoN. He had the belt for a few weeks and he's considered buried, but someone lost at Mania last year got beat up by someone who is redacted, and Loli gaged around with a faction for a year and no one considered him buried. Maybe you have a double standard in wrestling which wouldn't surprise me at the least
Why are you bringing up wwe ? Those factions you said all had way more talent than the bucks. You must be oblivious to metrics that show business is down.
@@richardcelaya7361 the only faction I brought up was the Nexus the other two are TNA factions. I'm proving the fact there's a double standard because you'll have patients for one person but not the other 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Maybe you shouldn't get into your emotions when reading
@@HoosierJ219 yeas and the only real successful heel authority story was the later 90s early 2000's ,when it was a fresh idea. The tna and nexus were not good either but was salvaged y having intimidating figures not midcard guys who are as small as me. why are the bucks using an old storyline for themselves. Its just deosnt make sense
@@richardcelaya7361 The NWO Storyline Derailed two of WCW'S babyfaces, and dragged on the only one that worked back then was Stone Cold and Mr redacted. So far the Elite story has been fun and I'm not a fan of the young Bucks at all. Unlike most wrestling fans I want to see it play out.
I'm watching this after Dynamite already aired... I have a feeling Bubba is very satisfied with how the Mercedes/Willow segment went. I almost want that feud to main event Double or Nothing now.
Bubba just owned that TK Booking...I gotta agree with him on how to make it the best payoff...same with Willow, something she did finally clicked with me...Also CEO vs DMD on paper gets paper, it may take her skills to bring the best outta Mone. Cuz, God, Mercedes has been super blah so far. Great show. Bubba is on point in this one.
If ceo vs dmd doesnt go down this promotion is seriously fucked That's got money written all over it. Let's get mone warmed up and get Britt back and get those two in some segments asap.
Tony Kahn- put the "booking pencil" down, get your phone, hire Bully and Dreamer for a one year contract as writers/bookers and step the f back. Give them the "pencil". Watch the ratings rise.
@freestaterevolution however you may be correct in putting Tommy and Dreamer together, if Tommy's strength is the blank piece of paper. However I don't know this to be true or false
I saw Willow for the first time about five years ago, and she should have been on tv then. She just has that natural babyface charisma that you can't teach. I'm surprised that it took so long for anyone to pick her up and give her a chance.
Like any good story it needs a beginning a middle and an ending . The best way is to write the ending first and then figure out how you’re gonna get there. It seems like They’re making this up from week to week .
Can we get a 6 month story ending with Jack Parry turning on young bucks and showing him and TK worked together to get rid of punk and screw over bucks
Feeling indifferent towards any in ring performer is a potential death knell. Dave is right, Mercedes has got to do something to move the needle and soon. (imo)
If I were a betting man, Bryan hasn’t had his last WWE match. When he’s part time, if he’s not under a contract I think HHH would bring him in for a run.
I get where Tommy is coming from about the EVP stakes, but to me that's not the climax of the story the climax is Tony's revenge. Bully hit the nail on the head, "Tony needs his George McFly moment." I'm also with Dave that Team AEW can't win this, because then it's over. Elite gotta cheat to win to keep their heat and let the storyline grow.
Like many people, I saw a lot of potential in Jack Perry when I first became aware of him. I thought he could be a massive babyface star if everything was done right. It even seemed like things were going in that direction early on. Unfortunately, Perry is his own worst enemy. He got linked up with the PWG crew early in his career, and picked up a lot of bad habits that he doesn't seem to be able or willing to get rid of. Also, he just doesn't have the right personality type. He is arrogant and introverted, which are two qualities you do not want in a star babyface. It just isn't meant to be.
Best way for TK to have "revenge"? Hire a tough commissioner to act on his behalf and book matches to make the Buck's lives in AEW a living hell. Yes they are EVPs who can't be fired but as talent they'll get beat up in the ring. That's what Kenny Omega is doing as EVP and putting Team AEW together, so that's a start. But he'll still need someone to represent him and TK in the ring at shows. (And also please tell TK to stay off TV and out of the booking meetings... We don't need another Dixie Carter.)
The fact that you guys talked for 30 minutes about the Elite story and didn't mention Swerve once shows how busted the storyline is. I mean he's only your name on the door world champ, nbd right? 😂 You guys are some of the most experienced guys out there and even you forgot he existed. FTR has no momentum. For historical context, can you imagine taking about nwo or attitude era corporation without mentioning how the world champ factored into it?
I honestly think Bubba's idea for Perry as a face would have been way better. I was super hyped for Okada from all the hype that was talked about him but so far I don't feel he has lived up to the hype. I really feel like AEW NEEDS Bubba and Tommy to come in and help TK, without the backstage bullshit. They genuinely want to help TK make it better, i dont understand this flat refusal to seek help....
C'mon guys, we all know aew need to hire someone like Bubba! Not only hiring him but listening to him too!! Everything he said or mostly, I can easily pictured it in my head. C'mon fucking Hire Bubba!
This is WCW all over again, group comes in runs management down, figurehead gets hurt (this time TK instead of EB), I see TK coming back in and siding with the Elite. Since TK was a huge WCW fan I see this being his thought process as "they will never see it coming."
Does TK come back & pull an Eric Bischoff, becoming the heel leader of the Elite? 😆. Remember, bischoff took the jackknife thru the stage from Nash months before being revealed as an nwo member. TK loves reliving history from his childhood
Okada has been underwhelming thus far and he shouldnt be. He is booked as this cheesedick heel which doesnt fit his njpw persona of being the fn man. Aew needs a vince mcmahon type filter thar doesnt care about hurting feelings
Bubba asked the Busted Open nation to give AEW another chance after the All Out footage so I listened to Uncle Bully. After a few weeks I’m done with AEW.
Mercedes needs to turn heel and use some of the promos that WWE fans have been cutting, be the voice for them have her run down the fans get that nuclear white heat,, as for the elite i could see them forming an alliance with the learning tree of jericho and cutting promos on current aew roster and also denigrating the ECW originals i have a slight fuzzy vision of what could be but im unsure if they can pull it off it would have to go longer than at the next ppv.
This show Busted open really is showing how weak it is. These people are trying to justify how bad this AEW product is. It’s actual trash and is getting worse by the week in every measurable category. You guys talking like this is even kind of good is making you seem as delusional as TK at this point
Can't believe they support this angle. The elite and Perry are not a credible heel group, let alone they would have people fear them like nwo back in the day
Tony Khan is paying MILLIONS for the trio of Okada, Ospreay, and Mercedes just for them to hold midcard titles. It's insane. This guy has no idea how to run a wrestling company. He's the definition of a money mark.
Punk and Bryan are both great. Legends in their own way. These guys are/were not the issue. The problem in AEW is Tony Khan continuing to push the Young Bucks of all people , like main eventers over and over again … 🤦🏻♂️
"Young Bucks, you better sleep with one eye open! Thanks guys." ~Tony
If tony did half the stuff Tommy and Bully discuss AEW ratings would be so much higher
Truth!
Bully really showed his creative chops with the booking hypotheticals this year. He should be involved in creative for WWE
I'm afraid ya will still have something to complain
You can throw Mark in there too
Half? Hell 25%.
You know what's a winner? Leaving your champ laying 3 weeks in a row. Real strong look for the company.
The 2 things that AEW needs to turn things around:
- A competent experienced Booker with vision/direction
- Getting rid of the Bucks and all their terrible influence
Yes
Neither one is happening, so AEW is doomed
They hired Jen Peperman around Okadas debut. Story lines have been improved.
Bucks peaked as Bullet Club heels in NJPW
Not since then have they been cool.
They have had some good matches in aew, but their personas have been lackluster at best.
The Bucks act annoying and "mean", but they have no real menace or intensity to their heel characters, and neither does Jack Perry. That may be okay for a midcard feud, but this is the company's top storyline. They can do spots where they attack or fire people, but there's no drama to it because they aren't serious enough heels.
Bubba and Tommy had their bad days in booking and creative but can't blame them for everyone's fault back in the days. But they got AEW's shit figured out better than TK or any of his dummies just following the basics and utilizing actual and legit EXPERIENCE. Business is simple if you had any idea what the fuck you're trynna do.
I love Bully's ideas. The dude has a great mind in wrestling.
Give Bully the book asap !
The way Tony Khan has been doing things in the past 5 years I think Tommy's estimate of a 2 hour PPV isn't realistic at all. No way Tony will be pleased with 7 minutes per match. I say 3 hours minimum for this PPV
Tommy and bubbay ray are gret knowledgeable guys...
The Bucks are terrible. I don’t buy anything they ever do, and they are insincere in the worst kind of way.
Anyone noticed no-one is talking much about swerv
Nope. I mainly see people making fun of TK and the Elite story going on. Swerve has become a after thought just as much as Stings last match became a after thought once Darby went through that plate of glass.
Do they watch the same AEW shows we do? Cmon man 🤦♂🤦♂
I HATE what they are doing with Swerve... first black champ in your company and he gets his ass whooped every week... it's a joke
Hey..at least he gets to drop the belt to ospreay at a half full Wembley
Bully and Tommy have me hooked and interested to see what things they can do next Tony pay these guys to book.
This should have been done when mjf was active.
Busted open books aew for free with these clips 😂
It's one mean learning tree between these two gentlemen
too bad aew isn't smart enough to use the advice.
TK should say omg he WAS right, then choke out Perry.
Finally AEW has a massive storyline that works! This needs to last several months with small battles and conclude with a war. I agree with these guys! Great show!
Thank you guys
AEW is nothing but ham& eggers. They need people like Bully& Tommy .❤️✌🏼
Bully working with WWE again Tommy working with tna
@@BigDic-qz8su Bully did a one off with WWE .. he does not have a contract with them
When will one of these company’s hire Bully Ray to write their story’s?!?…. His versions are always better than the product we get!
Agree 100%
Bully understands long term storytelling and building up a great finish.
The elite is awful an absolutely ridiculous story with feckless heels. There is no saving AEW,. THE WRONG PEOPLE GET PUSHED IN AEW. WHY IS SWERVE BEING BURIED
The Elite story is great, is it a NWO knockoff yes but so was Main event Mafia, Aces and Eights, and the Nexus. Also Swerve isn't buried he's not only A gonna the win at DoN but B because he's messed with the elites business, they hired Christian Cage to take him down. Christian also told Swerve everything from him before DoN. He had the belt for a few weeks and he's considered buried, but someone lost at Mania last year got beat up by someone who is redacted, and Loli gaged around with a faction for a year and no one considered him buried. Maybe you have a double standard in wrestling which wouldn't surprise me at the least
Why are you bringing up wwe ? Those factions you said all had way more talent than the bucks. You must be oblivious to metrics that show business is down.
@@richardcelaya7361 the only faction I brought up was the Nexus the other two are TNA factions. I'm proving the fact there's a double standard because you'll have patients for one person but not the other 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 Maybe you shouldn't get into your emotions when reading
@@HoosierJ219 yeas and the only real successful heel authority story was the later
90s early 2000's ,when it was a fresh idea. The tna and nexus were not good either but was salvaged y having intimidating figures not midcard guys who are as small as me. why are the bucks using an old storyline for themselves. Its just deosnt make sense
@@richardcelaya7361 The NWO Storyline Derailed two of WCW'S babyfaces, and dragged on the only one that worked back then was Stone Cold and Mr redacted. So far the Elite story has been fun and I'm not a fan of the young Bucks at all. Unlike most wrestling fans I want to see it play out.
i wonder if Dax has Tommy,Bryan,and Bubba blocked on twitter as well? 🤔🤣😂
I'm watching this after Dynamite already aired... I have a feeling Bubba is very satisfied with how the Mercedes/Willow segment went. I almost want that feud to main event Double or Nothing now.
daniel bryan just got over an injury angle then he's back so soon makes no sense honestly
13:37 per Bubba, he and d-Von and the Sandman would exact revenge on the EVPs in an alternate universe where AEW had well thought out storylines
Bubba just owned that TK Booking...I gotta agree with him on how to make it the best payoff...same with Willow, something she did finally clicked with me...Also CEO vs DMD on paper gets paper, it may take her skills to bring the best outta Mone.
Cuz, God, Mercedes has been super blah so far.
Great show. Bubba is on point in this one.
If ceo vs dmd doesnt go down this promotion is seriously fucked
That's got money written all over it. Let's get mone warmed up and get Britt back and get those two in some segments asap.
Here's a match that would be fantastic punk vs Sheamus or vs Gunther
Tony Kahn is going to need a lot of work to conceivably throw a worked punch. We all saw how he reacted to getting punched in the stomach
Dave's new wave Alice Cooper shirt. 🤣
“The Wrath of Khan!” Let’s go!!!!!
Tony Kahn- put the "booking pencil" down, get your phone, hire Bully and Dreamer for a one year contract as writers/bookers and step the f back. Give them the "pencil". Watch the ratings rise.
Disagree. Bully said himself, his strength is making stuff better, not a blank piece of paper
@@curtisterry1983 You are totally correct 👍 I just realized that- and from Bully's mouth. 😎
@freestaterevolution however you may be correct in putting Tommy and Dreamer together, if Tommy's strength is the blank piece of paper. However I don't know this to be true or false
I saw Willow for the first time about five years ago, and she should have been on tv then. She just has that natural babyface charisma that you can't teach. I'm surprised that it took so long for anyone to pick her up and give her a chance.
Like any good story it needs a beginning a middle and an ending . The best way is to write the ending first and then figure out how you’re gonna get there. It seems like They’re making this up from week to week .
This would be the spot for wardlow to go against the elite and it would also bring u the undisputed kingdom aligning them with the elite
I think ricky starks could be a great surprise
@@christopherolivarez4887 too small don’t get me wrong he’s a star but maybe both starks and wardlow how the elite kept them down
@@armandogomez2677 Starks is gonna go to WWE when his contract is up anyway.
Great idea but Wardlow is counting his days down.
Why are we quickly forgetting how they shit on Osprey’s story by Bryan just showing up after that moment at end of the match?
Lol eddie kingston would be a sunday night heat jobber in the attitude era losing squash matches to steve blackman
Tk should hire Bully like yesterday!!! Tried watching last night, it was rough.
Can we get a 6 month story ending with Jack Parry turning on young bucks and showing him and TK worked together to get rid of punk and screw over bucks
Most AEW matches are made just for a ppv Or Ple.
AEW need to hire Bully as a booker
Tommy tommy tommy tommy tommy tommy tommy tommy,tommy!
Feeling indifferent towards any in ring performer is a potential death knell. Dave is right, Mercedes has got to do something to move the needle and soon. (imo)
Nothing is going to save this company until everybody who thinks they know what they're doing stop trying to do things and you have experts do it
If I were a betting man, Bryan hasn’t had his last WWE match. When he’s part time, if he’s not under a contract I think HHH would bring him in for a run.
He said he’d like to finish his career as a full timer .. I took that to mean as a WWE wrestler
@@nicholasward1925give it up you dumb e drones bryan will always be in aew as long as theyre around
Yep. Can definitely see him doing an Edge type of run, one final part time run just doing big PPVs.
I get where Tommy is coming from about the EVP stakes, but to me that's not the climax of the story the climax is Tony's revenge. Bully hit the nail on the head, "Tony needs his George McFly moment." I'm also with Dave that Team AEW can't win this, because then it's over. Elite gotta cheat to win to keep their heat and let the storyline grow.
I didnt realize how bad i missed Britt Baker and wanted a match between her and Mercedes Mone' until i saw this.
I always enjoyed Mone as a heel. She would be a great heel.
Like many people, I saw a lot of potential in Jack Perry when I first became aware of him. I thought he could be a massive babyface star if everything was done right. It even seemed like things were going in that direction early on. Unfortunately, Perry is his own worst enemy. He got linked up with the PWG crew early in his career, and picked up a lot of bad habits that he doesn't seem to be able or willing to get rid of. Also, he just doesn't have the right personality type. He is arrogant and introverted, which are two qualities you do not want in a star babyface. It just isn't meant to be.
Best way for TK to have "revenge"? Hire a tough commissioner to act on his behalf and book matches to make the Buck's lives in AEW a living hell. Yes they are EVPs who can't be fired but as talent they'll get beat up in the ring.
That's what Kenny Omega is doing as EVP and putting Team AEW together, so that's a start. But he'll still need someone to represent him and TK in the ring at shows.
(And also please tell TK to stay off TV and out of the booking meetings... We don't need another Dixie Carter.)
But I thought we didn’t want TK as an on screen character? Wouldn’t cutting a promo make him an on screen character?
DREAMER
Tony Khan
I could see khan doing what so many others did copy wwe and have the evil owner.
Wooooo just got done using bubba Dudley n 2k24 u a bad mf n the chamber 😤😅🔥🔥
Bubba in No Mercy was better
The fact that you guys talked for 30 minutes about the Elite story and didn't mention Swerve once shows how busted the storyline is. I mean he's only your name on the door world champ, nbd right? 😂 You guys are some of the most experienced guys out there and even you forgot he existed. FTR has no momentum.
For historical context, can you imagine taking about nwo or attitude era corporation without mentioning how the world champ factored into it?
I honestly think Bubba's idea for Perry as a face would have been way better. I was super hyped for Okada from all the hype that was talked about him but so far I don't feel he has lived up to the hype. I really feel like AEW NEEDS Bubba and Tommy to come in and help TK, without the backstage bullshit. They genuinely want to help TK make it better, i dont understand this flat refusal to seek help....
C'mon guys, we all know aew need to hire someone like Bubba! Not only hiring him but listening to him too!! Everything he said or mostly, I can easily pictured it in my head. C'mon fucking Hire Bubba!
Mercedes went thru the table! 😂
😊
This is WCW all over again, group comes in runs management down, figurehead gets hurt (this time TK instead of EB), I see TK coming back in and siding with the Elite. Since TK was a huge WCW fan I see this being his thought process as "they will never see it coming."
Who replaces Eddie Kingston? Mox ?
Wheeler Yuta
Darby Allin
@Bjaerke I hope he brings the bus with him
Do they simply do bucks ,okada and Jack perry VS the other pillars? (plus a new pillar, starks or someone)
Guerrero is suspended and MJF is hurt and possibly is heading to WWE.
@vortex_1336 I didn't suggest going it immediately. Do it down the road . Like a year away.
Even though I'm not a fan of Jon, I would have chosen Moxley over Eddie.
Does TK come back & pull an Eric Bischoff, becoming the heel leader of the Elite? 😆. Remember, bischoff took the jackknife thru the stage from Nash months before being revealed as an nwo member. TK loves reliving history from his childhood
What's the point of The Elite v Team AEW? Good match maybe, but what will it achieve?
Okada has been underwhelming thus far and he shouldnt be. He is booked as this cheesedick heel which doesnt fit his njpw persona of being the fn man.
Aew needs a vince mcmahon type filter thar doesnt care about hurting feelings
Can't believe they will have Okada in this garbage match at the ppv, instead of a singles match
AEW is dead.. is just turning into WCW, I definitely think Bryan will be back in WWE soon.
They don't do storylines it's random matches
Bubba asked the Busted Open nation to give AEW another chance after the All Out footage so I listened to Uncle Bully. After a few weeks I’m done with AEW.
I wonder if Cesaro or Bryan will win the AEW Championship. At least once
Danielson is in a heel faction
Britt already lost to Saraya, I'm not sure If I'de like to see her lose to Sasha Banks too. Britt is the heart of AEW.
Mercedes needs to turn heel and use some of the promos that WWE fans have been cutting, be the voice for them have her run down the fans get that nuclear white heat,, as for the elite i could see them forming an alliance with the learning tree of jericho and cutting promos on current aew roster and also denigrating the ECW originals i have a slight fuzzy vision of what could be but im unsure if they can pull it off it would have to go longer than at the next ppv.
Mercedes is a bust
If I Was Tony, I Will Hire Someone Professional Or Someone Knows More About Wrestling To Do The Job
Dreamer wants a wheeler Yuta return
Sasha can't talk on the mic at all, even with a writer
This show Busted open really is showing how weak it is. These people are trying to justify how bad this AEW product is. It’s actual trash and is getting worse by the week in every measurable category. You guys talking like this is even kind of good is making you seem as delusional as TK at this point
Can't believe they support this angle. The elite and Perry are not a credible heel group, let alone they would have people fear them like nwo back in the day
Nice ideas guys, but I guarantee the Bucks match witll end flatter than a plate full of piss.
Bryan is gonna turn and join The Elite
Course, that’s thinking to logically. I need to go put $100 on TK joining The Elite as the evil Eric Bischoff in NWO 😂
Tommy my man, they don't have a Stone Cold.
Jack perry can't sell, he needs acting classes he looks like a knockoff juice done badly mind you, matter fact where is juice anyway?????
Tony only needs 1 man to take out Bucks and Jungle Boy....GOLDBERG
MJF is their stone cold so they should drag it out longer. Have team AEW lose and Tony say “I made a deal with the Devil” then mjf comes out.
I can see TK screwing this up and booking it all wrong. He better not make Willow put Mone through the table. Willow should take the high road.
Alice Cooper!!!
Anyone ask what AEW gonna do after this shit 1 month story is over
They got kota ibushi so were is he? Catering? Lol Golden Lovers and FTR is what it should be
Ibushi has 2 broken legs/ankles and Kenny have diverticulitis
You guys want Mercedes to get go away heat lol
Vince mcmahon sjould be the mystery man
Omg TK like McFly saying you get your GD hands off him
Tony Khan is paying MILLIONS for the trio of Okada, Ospreay, and Mercedes just for them to hold midcard titles. It's insane. This guy has no idea how to run a wrestling company. He's the definition of a money mark.
Jinder?
What storylines 😂😂😂😂
Does anyone care at this point what Tony's revenge will be?
Tony a boss so needs to play like a boss have his hit men beat them they hold jack down Tony walks into the ring slowly and rocks jack
PUNK > BRYAN
Brain rot
Punk cant even stay cleared😂
On the mic, yes. In the ring, no. Not even close, and I'm a huge punk fan.
The feud we Never got to see
Punk and Bryan are both great.
Legends in their own way.
These guys are/were not the issue.
The problem in AEW is Tony Khan continuing to push the Young Bucks of all people , like main eventers over and over again … 🤦🏻♂️
I dont like david lagreca i think he is a wrestling fan thinks he knows shit he really dont