$3500 is a very average price for synthesizers. Many can go well over $10,000 and in some cases, over $100,000. Synthesizers are very expensive and desirable, especially classic vintage analog synths.
@@neonether True, but some non second hand synths like the Moog One or virtually any eurorack setup can easily catch up to the price of it. $3500 is still a lot, and definitely more than anything I've ever spent on a synth.
The 3rd Wave is at its heart a wavetable synthesizer with PPG and modern modes, but it does so much more, (sampling, analog, FM, sequencing, MPC etc), and sounds great doing it. Plus... 24 voices and 4 parts always available. It sounds so good IMHO because the synth is doing exactly what it says it is doing without any compromised signal processing, electrical components or signal paths. We made it do everything it is doing, including the analog path, as inexpensively as a very small company could do it, without cheaping out on anything that you are hearing, seeing, or touching.
What I don’t understand is how did we go from synths with 16-part multitimbral engines 30 years ago (JV/XV, Wavestation, etc) to $5k synths today that only have 4 parts (the wavestate is another offender, albeit cheaper). Why are we regressing? Apart from the Blofeld, Essence FM, and the Integra-7, there’s not much out there with those features, and two of those three are more than a decade old at this point.
I've wondered the same thing. Its kinda a similar story with samplers. I get that part of it is because of cheaper units in order to target more casual musicians, but even a lot of the pricey stuff is way more limited than it used to be.
It’s marketing now. “Omg you can make it like 80ies synth but no aliasing wooooooow”. Net outcome: nothing much beyond a 5k price tag. No one listens to an 80ies song and go “if only it weren’t for the aliasing”. This is niche market crap.
There are plenty of multitimbral instruments out there nowadays, what are you on about? Pretty much all of the notable arranger keyboards, workstation keyboards, backing track modules, Wersi and Yamaha electric organs and a lot of the samplers. There are plenty of options to choose from if you actually need multi-timbrality in hardware (which not even most professionals do nowadays because of the convenience of the DAW).
@@mooted5513ya it’s for 80s synth collectors. I think it’s sounds kind of lame but I just don’t love that sound. So many better options for the price than this thing!
well, essentially, even if it's not the same thing, the Roland jd08 has four sounds, two sequencers, some effects and does several interesting things. it's very 90s but you can obviously make sounds more suited to the years as well as later. it costs ten times less and I assure you it is very cinematic 🥰
Would have been worth 3k if it had all waveforms from prophet vector vs, and esq-80 were in it. Or some crazy 80s Dk synergy addictive synthesis sounds.
Well, the module is 3.5k, which is not exactly cheap, but quite normal for this level of hardware. It is in OBX8 territory but surely also has a similar legacy to it. 🔥🔥
No it has 24 voices and 4 layers, meaning it can do 4 different presets at the same time and it distributes the 24 voices over those 4 presets. The reason it only has 24 voices is that it has an analog filter on all these 24 voices, so that's 24 separate filter chips (those can get expensive). If you want high quality emulation of analog filters on a PC, your best bet is a VST like U-He Diva. If you open up 4 different instances of Diva with some complex presets and in total 24 voices there's actually a decent chance you'll overload your CPU (if you have an average computer). So yeah it's more impressive than you think. 3500 is still hella expensive though, but there is a decent reason for the price.
Cool but there are so many cool VSTs, often for free, that can do the same, if not better. And even if you want to use hardware, for that money you can start building yourself a modular synth. To me, synths like this are just there to look pretty. Those that want the sound use software. Those that want the hardware would rather spend the money on something that was found in an East German skip that smells faintly of rat pee when you turn it on.
It's also not worth the money to me, but saying it's just there to look pretty is a bit of a stretch. IMO software and hardware purists are both equally ignorant
Oh sweet baby Jesus on a bike where do you begin? There are so many really good free VSTs out there. But the obvious one is Vital. It's more or less a free Serum which is almost an industry standard. There are differences but still. @@yeowool404
@@yeowool404Many, including myself, like Diva and Serum. Also, Omnisphere. Have been recently been playing around with Pigments, and enjoying that, too.
to be honest though I saw that it was moog and immediately was like well its not behringer so I better double my estimate cause they probably paid someone to design it.
I’ve never even heard of the PPG. I’m no synth guru, but I’m in my 50s. I’ve heard of most of the classic synths, the Moogs, the Arps, the Prophets, the Jupiters, the Obies, etc. Don’t know any records that the PPG is on.
It sounds so so good for its intended purpose but not so much with modern. However you can’t just price something as if you took this R&D with you into a Time Machine back to the 80’s. This will limit the instrument’s usage (and not in a positive way) massively even among talented and/or major producers who think more pragmatically when buying the gear they use even if they have money to burn out of principle. It’s like the rappers who are “cheap” about buying expensive sneakers even though that’s a big flex in their community because they don’t think sneakers should be that expensive and that it’s a dumb rip off. They have the money and choose not to out of principle even though what they wear in that world is as important as the gear in ours.
You can sample your own waveforms into the 3rd wave, but the original ppg wave forms are probably generated by an old computer that could additive synthesis.
No idea who buys this stuff in 2024! Free VST can give you the same darn thing! LOL. Chuck any VST into a mix, it's going to do just fine for 5% of the price or less. LOL.
I watcha guy Look Mum No Computer who makes all of his own synths, i cant comprehend other than people will pay it, why these things cost what they do. Its ludicrous.
Nearly 9 thousand dollars here. You have no idea how much we get ripped off in Australia. If it's 3500 USD it should be after import and tax, 5999 AUD RRP. Ridiculous crooks control all our audio imports. Get ready for this, I just checked the essenceFM ,works out to 1800 AUD and they want 3 grand here. Even with 10% import tax, I will buy it direct and say a big middle finger to the local stores. It's just wrong.
I have essece fm mk 2 it's a beast, but some old heads will probably say 80s analog synthesizers are warmer and better until they break, lol. I got it cheaper on reverb 1000
I don't understand why should someone spend about 6000 dollars on a single device. That thing that make it special, I mean. Like the good old "one shot" car: I know it's worth money because it's unique. But what about this synth?
@@Bagginsess Of course I don't. That's why I asked myself the price question: is it worth the money? Or is it a strange beast made for a special purpose or for a project (a track, maybe)?
It's not special or unique - it's just overpriced. Since Waldorf got their shit together in recent years, you can just buy an Iridium. Much better synth and less expensive.
@@chinossynthesizer705 looks like it. Just funny because between a good guitar, amp and pedals you’ll easily spend a lot more. Big bucks for the best tone.
@@golf398 yeah, I have a friend who plays guitar, and it's easy to spend a lot of money on pedals and like 4 electric guitars and amps. Being a musician is expensive. Look at the inflation in the USA, lol.
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So expensive that the company only let you borrow it. 😅
It’s a new and very small company! 😂 They really are THE coolest guys though, made a deal with me at NAMM to take one home! 🙌🙌
$3500 is a very average price for synthesizers. Many can go well over $10,000 and in some cases, over $100,000. Synthesizers are very expensive and desirable, especially classic vintage analog synths.
@@OmgItsTheWigeonYou’re comparing a new, hybrid synth’s MSRP to out of production, vintage, second-hand market prices. One is real the other is not.
@@neonether True, but some non second hand synths like the Moog One or virtually any eurorack setup can easily catch up to the price of it. $3500 is still a lot, and definitely more than anything I've ever spent on a synth.
For that price, 'turned out pretty good' is about as low as you wanna set the bar.
Not even “pretty good.“ He said “pretty OK“😂😂
I’ll wait for the Behringer clone
for $399
@@RupasCoherence Thanks. I couldn't find any info on the price!
@@RupasCoherence lol for real? I was joking but that’s pretty rad?
For real
What are these comments ??😂 the guy was obviously playing into the joke
The 3rd Wave is at its heart a wavetable synthesizer with PPG and modern modes, but it does so much more, (sampling, analog, FM, sequencing, MPC etc), and sounds great doing it. Plus... 24 voices and 4 parts always available. It sounds so good IMHO because the synth is doing exactly what it says it is doing without any compromised signal processing, electrical components or signal paths. We made it do everything it is doing, including the analog path, as inexpensively as a very small company could do it, without cheaping out on anything that you are hearing, seeing, or touching.
If yall interested its msrp is 5k
They are on crack for that.
Thanks, was wondering bout that. You just saved me a Google search.
That’s actually a pretty normal price for that kind of hardware.
Fuck thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
It’s 3500. Full key board version is 5k….
That cinematic track that you showed for like 2 seconds at the end was super sick. I want more of that
Clip is from one of my recent live streams if you want to hear the full thing! The one about killer swedish robots haha.
@@VenusTheory ha ok thank you
What I don’t understand is how did we go from synths with 16-part multitimbral engines 30 years ago (JV/XV, Wavestation, etc) to $5k synths today that only have 4 parts (the wavestate is another offender, albeit cheaper). Why are we regressing? Apart from the Blofeld, Essence FM, and the Integra-7, there’s not much out there with those features, and two of those three are more than a decade old at this point.
I've wondered the same thing. Its kinda a similar story with samplers. I get that part of it is because of cheaper units in order to target more casual musicians, but even a lot of the pricey stuff is way more limited than it used to be.
It’s marketing now. “Omg you can make it like 80ies synth but no aliasing wooooooow”. Net outcome: nothing much beyond a 5k price tag. No one listens to an 80ies song and go “if only it weren’t for the aliasing”. This is niche market crap.
@@mooted5513Yup. You beat me to it.
MARKETING.
There are plenty of multitimbral instruments out there nowadays, what are you on about?
Pretty much all of the notable arranger keyboards, workstation keyboards, backing track modules, Wersi and Yamaha electric organs and a lot of the samplers. There are plenty of options to choose from if you actually need multi-timbrality in hardware (which not even most professionals do nowadays because of the convenience of the DAW).
@@mooted5513ya it’s for 80s synth collectors. I think it’s sounds kind of lame but I just don’t love that sound. So many better options for the price than this thing!
One of those synths you recognize at a glance, but know it's $$$. I'm going to need 16 voices if I ever fork out that much money on a single device.
4 voices is for that price is a social experiment akin to you know who.
Gonna have to wait for the Berhinger knock off 😔
I’d rather re-mortgage my house (if I had one), and get into debt to buy the real thing than buying ANYTHING from those Berhinger kũňťz.
well, essentially, even if it's not the same thing, the Roland jd08 has four sounds, two sequencers, some effects and does several interesting things. it's very 90s but you can obviously make sounds more suited to the years as well as later. it costs ten times less and I assure you it is very cinematic 🥰
Anyone wondering what the 'Cool Drums' Kontakt Library is that Cameron uses in the vid, It's KeepForest - Berserkr.
Can’t praise this one enough, zero regrets!!
3500€ for:“ I think it sounds pretty okay“ haha
Would have been worth 3k if it had all waveforms from prophet vector vs, and esq-80 were in it. Or some crazy 80s Dk synergy addictive synthesis sounds.
Love how you warped this thing's sound to make it your own. Rock on Cameron! 🤘
Mate, your videos look like a friend's video messages in the morning, and I'm loving it
Great content, keep going!!!!!
🙂👍
Well, the module is 3.5k, which is not exactly cheap, but quite normal for this level of hardware. It is in OBX8 territory but surely also has a similar legacy to it. 🔥🔥
There's also Waldorf M if you care about money
Nice new haircut!! (More seriously, thanks for the review! Love the bit you made!)
Went and looked up the price and I did indeed make those exact noises
those chords from the snippet of the modern example remind me of the super saiyan 3 theme,, so awesome
“To borrow”
Yeah greedy company I’ll pass
That's a joke right?
They're not a big company, probably around 3-5 people.
I had to check the price and...
Holy shit.
KEEPFOREST!!! LETS GOOOOOOOO!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
wow.. 4 voices at once?!!! PC Soundcards were doing that in 1992 and didn't cost 5k lol
No it has 24 voices and 4 layers, meaning it can do 4 different presets at the same time and it distributes the 24 voices over those 4 presets. The reason it only has 24 voices is that it has an analog filter on all these 24 voices, so that's 24 separate filter chips (those can get expensive). If you want high quality emulation of analog filters on a PC, your best bet is a VST like U-He Diva. If you open up 4 different instances of Diva with some complex presets and in total 24 voices there's actually a decent chance you'll overload your CPU (if you have an average computer). So yeah it's more impressive than you think. 3500 is still hella expensive though, but there is a decent reason for the price.
"Laughs in Moog & Vector Synths" 😂
What's the Kontakt Library for the drum hits called?
Nice to see a clip of Midge Ure in there
Cool but there are so many cool VSTs, often for free, that can do the same, if not better. And even if you want to use hardware, for that money you can start building yourself a modular synth.
To me, synths like this are just there to look pretty. Those that want the sound use software. Those that want the hardware would rather spend the money on something that was found in an East German skip that smells faintly of rat pee when you turn it on.
do you have any free/paid soft synths recommendations by any chance??
It's also not worth the money to me, but saying it's just there to look pretty is a bit of a stretch. IMO software and hardware purists are both equally ignorant
Oh sweet baby Jesus on a bike where do you begin? There are so many really good free VSTs out there. But the obvious one is Vital. It's more or less a free Serum which is almost an industry standard. There are differences but still. @@yeowool404
You just aren't the target demographic and that's ok. Like you said, VSTs are there for the rest.
@@yeowool404Many, including myself, like Diva and Serum. Also, Omnisphere. Have been recently been playing around with Pigments, and enjoying that, too.
Have a look at the brand new Fred’s Lab Manatee synth. 4-part spectral synthesis. Very exotic but affordable and sounds amazing.
4 voices for this price tag is a social experiment akin to you know who.
my guess is $300 to make in parts and it is selling for $3000. Now to check the price.
ok saw the price and my thought was. oh inflation. didn't realize it is getting that bad.
to be honest though I saw that it was moog and immediately was like well its not behringer so I better double my estimate cause they probably paid someone to design it.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline - Someone is paid to research, design and make every product.
I had a PPG 2.3 & Waveterm B, back in the day. I think the 3rd Wave has to be the best replacement for those venerable machines.
I’ve never even heard of the PPG. I’m no synth guru, but I’m in my 50s. I’ve heard of most of the classic synths, the Moogs, the Arps, the Prophets, the Jupiters, the Obies, etc.
Don’t know any records that the PPG is on.
For the money, it's better to buy Nina with its motorized knobs.
For that price tag I’ll stick with my Korg Modwave lol
Holy cow
This looks like such a rad instrument.
It sounds so so good for its intended purpose but not so much with modern. However you can’t just price something as if you took this R&D with you into a Time Machine back to the 80’s.
This will limit the instrument’s usage (and not in a positive way) massively even among talented and/or major producers who think more pragmatically when buying the gear they use even if they have money to burn out of principle. It’s like the rappers who are “cheap” about buying expensive sneakers even though that’s a big flex in their community because they don’t think sneakers should be that expensive and that it’s a dumb rip off. They have the money and choose not to out of principle even though what they wear in that world is as important as the gear in ours.
You could start a small studio for the same price, but if you can afford it get it. Looks/sounds great.
Me with my 30 dollar midi controller from Amazon watching this
4 sound polyphony from 3500$ is evil
We have to pry the money from the rich person's hand somehow. So, why not with this awesome toy? 😬👍
The 1% own almost all resources …
So why not everyone one for Christmas 😊
makes me think of the Quasimidi Polymorph
5k later "I mean, it's allrightt"
THANKS BEHRINGER
Thing is, the PPG 2.2 with the wave terminal had sampling capability which opened it up to a plethora of sounds.
This one doesn't do that.
You can sample your own waveforms into the 3rd wave, but the original ppg wave forms are probably generated by an old computer that could additive synthesis.
I cant watch vids of anything over $500 cuz its just torture lol . nice haircut lookin good
Thats a beast of synth
Welp, I guess I have to save up $3,500 now.
No idea who buys this stuff in 2024! Free VST can give you the same darn thing! LOL. Chuck any VST into a mix, it's going to do just fine for 5% of the price or less. LOL.
For that price I would get a Fantom
Whats with the Buzzcut. You joined the army?
I don’t mind, it’s blue so must be great
The 25 anniversary Massive Passive also
❤❤😢😮😊
Any chance we can get a long form review video? 😇😇😇😇
Blofeld
Damnnnnn das a lotta dough
They should let infected mushroom play with it too
That would be amazing, they turn anything into gold for the ears
my free software synths sound like that, and like any other synth ever in a mix.
So it's $3500 but sounds like it's 40 years old 😆
I need that drum patch 😩
“Combat Vapor Deathwave”? Just how many musical genres are in existence today? Any guesses?
As many as there are stars in the night sky which is as many bedroom producers there are in North America alone.
I play synths on my MPC an my ears can’t tell or could care less the difference 😅
Sounds like a synthesizer.
$3500 LOL I will just buy 4 Ensoniq ESQ-1's with 8 voices each for under $1500 and Have a REAL 80's BEAST with real Analog Filters.
I watcha guy Look Mum No Computer who makes all of his own synths, i cant comprehend other than people will pay it, why these things cost what they do. Its ludicrous.
COMBAT VAPOUR DEATHWAVE!!!
6 months later I’d be like “I swear, I put it in the mail. I don’t know what happened to it” then go play some more with it.
Nearly 9 thousand dollars here. You have no idea how much we get ripped off in Australia. If it's 3500 USD it should be after import and tax, 5999 AUD RRP. Ridiculous crooks control all our audio imports. Get ready for this, I just checked the essenceFM ,works out to 1800 AUD and they want 3 grand here. Even with 10% import tax, I will buy it direct and say a big middle finger to the local stores. It's just wrong.
At that point it’s probably cheaper to fly to the States, buy one, and fly it back yourself! 😂
I have essece fm mk 2 it's a beast, but some old heads will probably say 80s analog synthesizers are warmer and better until they break, lol. I got it cheaper on reverb 1000
Waiting for the Uli, hail Behringer!
Nope not this one, and nowhere near as good!
I don't understand why should someone spend about 6000 dollars on a single device.
That thing that make it special, I mean. Like the good old "one shot" car: I know it's worth money because it's unique. But what about this synth?
If only you knew how expensive an individual eurorack module can get. Music is an expensive hobby/profession.
edit: spelling
@@Bagginsess Of course I don't. That's why I asked myself the price question: is it worth the money? Or is it a strange beast made for a special purpose or for a project (a track, maybe)?
It's not special or unique - it's just overpriced. Since Waldorf got their shit together in recent years, you can just buy an Iridium. Much better synth and less expensive.
@@Xul so many synths are grossly over priced lol.
4-part multitimbral is a joke for that price. There were a bunch of synths with 16 parts all the way back in the 1990s.
If I ever win the Euromillions lottery I will send one to you. I’m sure if anyone deserves one, you are first on my list.
Lost me at 80’s
All synths sound 80’s
Can it Whomp?
Can it broop broop?
Wavetable?
Sampler?
No? Not for me.
You'll soon be able to get the Behringer for under $1000
imagine we had more computers suitable for more general tasks, and for a fraction of the cost too though
how much Is nowadays the old big Waldorf "The Wave"?
It sounds amaze but I bought an entire studio, hardware, computer, software for almost half the price.
My car cost me 2,300 😎
Hell yeah ..that s thick
Awesome!!!🌟🌟💯💯
Sounds like Vangelis' synth from the bladerunner soundtrack
I prefer to wait for Cherry Audio😅
I'm gonna stick with serum tyvm
How about Korg Microstation ? Can it do synthesis as well ?
Holy ...., you okay? Seems like you had at least some what fun.
Noice ❤
Holy..beep boop beep beep 😂
Someone get Blank Banshee one of these
still somehow costs less than a lumatone
I like hearing keys players complain about price as a guitar player.
Yeah, but analog synths cost way more and are more expensive to make. they are easier to use.
Yeah, but this 3rd wave seems like an expensive sampler. That can do virtual analog and limited 4 operator fm synthesis.
@@chinossynthesizer705 looks like it. Just funny because between a good guitar, amp and pedals you’ll easily spend a lot more. Big bucks for the best tone.
@@golf398 yeah, I have a friend who plays guitar, and it's easy to spend a lot of money on pedals and like 4 electric guitars and amps. Being a musician is expensive. Look at the inflation in the USA, lol.
Rather get a Waldorf Quantum at that price
Yeah, holy shit £3600 😮
Behringer... 😏
Plug ins are immensely good yet there is still a market for overpriced synthesizers ,it’s pretty fucked up really
Surge soft synth vst >
I don’t get it this is like median synth pricing. I have 24 synths at a little over this price point to upwards of 9x this price.
Sounds like Waldorf. Is this a clone from Behringer?
$3500 for a synth? Nah
I can see why you would spend that much though
It makes okay mosquito sound in the song. It can sound more bitey.
whats the kontakt drum library name?
what music you listen to?
oh black metal and some combat vapor deathwave!
good bye
ill stick with vsts