How to buy a RUIN in Portugal!
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- Hi, I'm Nick and I've been living here in the Algarve for 20 years and I'm keen to let you know all about the region. Any questions, drop them in the comments and I'll try and answer.
03:04 Advice from my lawyer
05:56 Meeting Hannah and Jack (Life Re Imagined)
16:50 Ken's story buying a farm in Portugal (OK Portugal)
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It's not only ruins you need to beware of re habitation licences. Back in 2018, after a disappointing viewing of another property, an estate agent took us to view the exterior of a new build without a habitation licence (it wasn't advertised on the company website). He told us it was within our price range because there was no licence in place and gave us a half plausible reason for its lack, i.e. owner lived in Lisbon and had missed the deadline for picking it up. The agent insisted it would be easy enough for us to obtain one as the new owners., despite the fact the property was in a natural park. We loved the house and sought legal advice. Our solicitor didn't buy the agent's explanation and advised us never to touch a property without a habitation licence. Sadly but sensibly, we walked away. I'm loving your channel, by the way. We're in the Algarve too.
Thanks for sharing Tracy, great point! Sometimes houses are also advertised as 4 bedrooms when they've been illegally expanded and they are in effect 3 bedrooms. Look out for that too.
Not sure what a solicitor is but glad to hear you walked away. I’ve been interested in Portugal and viewing properties there. I’ve seen property that is said to have been renovates 10-20 years ago and the properties condition is so poor I would be afraid to purchase anything that was constructed without knowledge and proof of what was done. I’m beginning to see where Portugal is not a very regulated country with regards to building practices. They seem to be rightfully protecting their cultural buildings of the past but might be going about it incorrectly.
We sold our very old family home in the North of Portugal about 25 years ago to a doctor from Porto . He Renovated to make it more comfortable for a Weekend getaway home but kept the old stone vintage look. Went to Portugal a few years ago and got to see the home. I was so pleased to see how beautiful he made it. brought so many memories of when I lived there when I was a little girl. I got very nostalgic but happy that a new family gets to enjoy the house.
That's a lovely story Maria. Thanks for sharing.🙂
@@AlgarveAddicts I've heard that you can bypass some restrictions if you use natural building techniques, like stone or terracotta. Do you have any information on this that you would like to share?
Thank you for the video.
You're welcome for the video. When I first arrived in 2000 I heard that you had to build up ruins with the materials that were traditionally used. That was 20 years ago and no one appears to be saying anything about that now. Let me know if you find out?
@@AlgarveAddicts I remember reading something about being able to bypass some fire/zoning restrictions if you build a house completely out of solid stone that would "blend in" with the environment and basically be fire proof. This was some years ago, now it may be relevant for my interests. Will update if something relevant comes up. Cheers!
Amazing
Great video Nick! Thanks for inviting me on your show. Awesome to see Hannah and Jacks place on there too :)
You too ken! Keep up the great vids
@@Life.Reimagined Cheers :)
Thanks guys, great to see all of you.
@@OKportugal Could you let me know what is PIP, not sure if i heard correctly , thanks
@@solrackarbon5089 can you send me the time in the video as I'm not sure what you are referring to
This is brilliant thank you for the hard work you put into this video Nick. Appreciate you mate!!
Hey John! It's great to hear from you, thanks for watching 👍🏼
Fantastic video!! I appreciate your generosity in giving us real information.
Thanks Caren! It's good to see your comments again 👍🏼
You were one of the first Portugal content creators i found via your podcast. Great video and love how I'm seeing channels I follow in the comments. Growing the community 🙌🏽😊
Thanks so much, what a lovely comment. It's tough to create a community feel with a podcast, it feels easier with TH-cam.
Great job Nick! Very informative and professional.
Thanks Sheila!
I love the OK Portugal channel. Been watching them for a long time.
Yeah, me too! 💥
A really well done piece. It's obvious you put a lot of work into this, because it came out really great. This is the cool thing about TH-cam: The citizen journalism aspect-- especially in small niches and interests like this. Thanks again for your hard work!! Keep it up!
Thanks so much. Yup, I figure it'll be around for a while and I love packing in as much as I can.
Great video, amazing people, many thanks, Nick! 👍
You're welcome Antti! Thanks for watching 👍🏼
This video did not disappoint. Thanks. 😍
Thanks for watching 👍🏼
Awesome bud! Thanks for another brilliant vid. You never cease to excel! *Gold Star*
Aaah cheers mate and thanks for the gold star. 👍🏼
Thanks Nick on your historical bits you find wherever you go.( Love the history of Portugal).Seems one has to be very thorough when purchasing property in Portugual especially rural plots. Your videos are so imformative, thank you
Thanks Hilary, let me know if you find any more good historical stories. I love them too. I can't believe that we walk on the ground trodden by the crusaders, pirates and kings. It's pretty crazy when you think about it.
What an interesting video. Thanks Nick. The music choices were beautiful too ... What a dream this would be! I never thought I would ever be interested in buying ruins in the south of Portugal, but now that you have planted that seed in my mind, it just might become a reality. Thanks again for all the work that you do mate.
Wow, and there I thought I put everyone off! 🤣 Great to see you commenting again Logan 👍🏼
@@AlgarveAddicts Haha, not at all. The bureaucracy is always a headache, but its the same wherever you decide to invest. It's part of the challenge and makes finishing the project that extra bit sweeter in my opinion.
Hi Nick - THANK YOU again for this excellent insight and golden informative uploads. You're doing a cracking job with all this content. You're excellent exposure of The Algarve is helping so many people and I hope to meet you soon on my expeditions and explorations of the Algarve.
Thanks so much Khan, I'm honoured 😎👍🏼
Thank you for this important information.
Can't wait to have our own farm in Portugal
Ken &Gina from Ok Portugal are our favourite channel 🙏 💞
You're welcome Meytal, yes they're wonderful 👍🏼
Thank you for the list! You're amazing!
You're welcome 👍🏼
I'm from Cape Town too, moved to Australia when I was very young. Planning to escape to Portugal, hope to cross your path one day! Thanks for making these videos
You're welcome 👍🏼
Fascinating! Hannah and Jack were very interesting thanks for sharing their story. I am almost positive I would never go through all the hassles. I love their enthusiasm and commitment and look forward to seeing how they make out there or another plot.
Me too! Hopefully they make lots more videos, theirs is an interesting story and I think we're all rooting for them.
Glad you have found these guys as I've been following them for a while on their channel. The have had a hammer blow with the planning issue but they are still smiling and committed to their project. I also follow Ken from OK!!
They're both great, it was cool to connect.
@@AlgarveAddicts These guys are also worth following th-cam.com/channels/D0NfpJGeT8XaPeaCmXU2Ig.html
Oh yeah, I have seen a few of theirs too. Pretty cool. I'm amazed how practical people are.
Good job on this one, lots of good information. I've been tuning in to the OK Portugal channel also.
Thanks Fuzzyboomboom. I just had to type Fuzzyboomboom 👋😂
A lot of useful information given in a interesting and sympathetic way. Good to follow. Thank you!🙏👍
Thank YOU for the kind words.
Thanks Nick, stellar vid.
You're welcome William 👍🏼
Yeah my favourite portugal vloggers in 1 vid !!
Awesome, I'm glad you follow them! I love watching them both too.
@@AlgarveAddicts im so thankful to see all the People sharing their experiences! 6 more years and Ill follow their example
That's a long plan, good luck Sylve!
Great video! This is the real Portugal and we need help to not let it die in history. Everyone is welcome here.
Agreed, we need to preserve it!
Great information! While fire safety is a major concern, i hope Hannah and Jack are able proceed with their project. Too much bureaucracy.
Thanks for watching Grace 👋🏻
New subscriber Nick. Thinking of moving from Ireland to central Portugal. Will be glued to your channel for great advice.
Many thanks.
John
Cheers John, I'd love to get up to Central Portugal and do some videos up there. Let's see how things roll.
very useful and interesting advices again. Thank you
Thanks for watching Christian 👋🏻☺️
Thanks Ken and Nick. Really great useful info. From another Captonian in the UK
You're welcome Germaine 👍🏼
Thanks for introducing us to other expat vloggers in Portugal! We are always trying to find more info to prepare for our move.
You're welcome, it's good to get other views too.
Hello there Nick, thank you for this video and all the useful feedback. My companion and I are in the final process, after a 2 year search, of buy a property in the Coimbra area. I am so grateful to find out that we seem to have acted on all your recommendations and I am really looking forward to getting out of Lisbon and starting this new chapter of our lives in the countryside. We moved here to be closer to our HUGE project of bringing the game of Curling to Portugal (which so far as building the Ice Arena has been paused) and working with the FDIP Federação Desportos Inverno Portugal.
Hi Fiona, that really sounds exciting, good luck with it all and thanks for sharing.
Hi Nick! Great video, it will save people a lot of headaches.
I hope so, thanks Thomas!
Great info! Thank you
Glad that you found it informative 👍🏼
Great info and you are starting to develop a really valuable and interesting channel. Kudos to you. And good luck to the young couple. Things have a way to work themselves out when the desire is real and strong.
In the Balkans, where I originate from, they have a saying: "Start building the house, God will finish it!". And although it may sound naive - 80% of the houses there were built with that motto in mind. 😉
That's a wonderful sentiment and I too wish them all the best. It's really a tough blow, but they are strong. Thanks for your compliments, what other subjects would you like to see me cover?
Great, informative video, thank you! Lekka!!
Thanks for watching Allan👍🏼
Will done and huge respect to Hannah and Jack for going after their dream at such a young age. Good luck to them and I hope all goes well for them.( Extra props to Hannah for her English ). The total minefield of beaurocracy/council rules and regs, eh? Same all over the world, but can be a real headache in Portugal. Very informative video, Nick. Some people I know have done this with a 'Monte', which is basically a ruin on a small hill, almost surrounded by river/dam water.
Thanks Glenn!
I hope it helps and I know Jack and Hannah will work something out. Thanks for watching 👍🏼
Great video, lots of useful information. There are so many old ruins down here so follow the advice given. Great job.
Thanks guys. Enjoy the ocean this weekend, it could be pretty wild!
@@AlgarveAddicts Great weekend for looking at the sea from the cliffs, big swell been rolling in, back to normal by Tuesday
Mmm, surf....
Wow, Life Reimagined and OKPortugal! Didn't expect that. :)
I'm glad you were pleasantly surprised, Gary :)
Great video mate. Lots is good information
Thanks Ehab, glad you enjoyed it. 👌🏼
I first went to the Algarve in 1969 when it was easy to buy a ruin and renovate, I did many. as Portugal joined the European Union the laws have changed dramatically. The best advise I can give, is find a Portuguese agent to act for you it will be cheaper and quicker in the long run, there are plenty of expats who will give you advice but, do get a local Portugal agent. Good luck .
Good advice John, thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Who are you to come on here and comment so rudely @jphdev ? If you did that in real-life you'd have some serious consequences to deal with.
@@AlgarveAddicts Wow, Nick thankyou for coming to my defence, that is someone with problems. Your videos are great, they bring back a lot of wonderful memories. Best wishes John.
Thanks John, yes, it's sad to see the problematic side of life on TH-cam. Oh well, we're strong and can move on without a hitch :) Have a great weekend!
Great video. Thanks for visiting us! Subscribed!
Whaaaat, and you weren't already? 🤣🤣
extremely educational again Nick .
Here in Holland you have a jungle of signs and rules, Portugal seems so easy and simple to arrange land, but that is an illusion.
nevertheless we continue to hope for a project in Portugal, hopefully we can start looking for it this summer.
keep informing us and guide us Nick, we really appreciate your films,
greetings from Jan and Johanna.
Good luck Jan, all the best for your project.
Lots of great info! Muito obrigado!!!
De nada Nelson 👍🏼
Great Video very informative well done .
Obrigado!
This is a really good interview.
Cheers Max 👍🏼
Still good even after a year later.
lovely!!
Thanks Vera👍🏼
We have a similar situation here in Australia with different fire zones but the houses just have to be more fire resistant with other things like distances away from trees ect
Dont forget that ruins from oldhouses,, means, they are very small, old houses in Portugal were very tiny, keep that in mind,,, the modern standards dont apply on old farm houses,, those were poor people houses, you can find some big ones, but more expensive, much more..thx for the channel, we really need positive thinking in this country.
Thanks Miguel! I read a book called "The Power of Positive Thinking" when I was 19 and it really helped me ever since 😎👍🏼
Very interesting and informative, thank you. Liked, subbed and rung the bell!
Cheers Nelson! Ding ding 😎👍🏼
LOL 'like subscribed and rung the bell" love it! You've just reminded me to click on that bell :)
Great info
Thanks Marck👍🏼
Great video!
Thanks Jonas!
What a lovely place
Hi Gabriella, it is lovely isn't it 💥🇵🇹
@@AlgarveAddicts I look forward to move there from Italy by March next year 2022 in Villa do Lobo . Portugal is a safe place so far , so much to see and explore lovely landscapes and the sea with those unique rock formations , it’s amazing . I look forward to move there and never get bored since I will be playing golf 🏌️♀️ and when it’s too hot I can move up North by Nazare ‘ one of the best place surfers in the World compared to Hawaii 🌺
Hello there, my name is Rosana, I thank you for this very good information. I’m planning on my pension to live in Portugal. For the meantime love to look around,buy, restored.
Na rota dos antigos moinhos, podes visitar o moinho do Leitão em Paderne, situado no cerro que lhe dá o nome, o cerro do Leitão. Este moinho foi recuperado e está aberto aos visitantes. Vais gostar de visitá-lo..
Obrigado Tiliz, eu vou visitar, depois confinamento. 👍🏼
Brilliant
Thanks guys.
New subscriber here, also from Cape Town. Bought a 2 1/2 hectare farm in Central Portugal with a ruin that I'm restoring. I made a video on buying a ruin and the regulations a few weeks ago on my channel. Keep safe!
Thanks Cindy, good luck up there! I had a little look at one of your videos the other day 👍🏼
Gorgeous. You are a fortunate man mate.
I certainly am. 👍🏼
Thanks very informative! I've smashed all the smashers! Salutations from astonishingly grey, warm-ish & still mostly locked down Ireland! ☘️☮️🤘🏽🤠👍🏽☮️☘️
Well done Sonny 👌🏼
Good information Ken. There are a few questions regarding annual property tax. I haven’t seen that discussed at all. Also when renovating do you need to provide architectural drawings or plan to the local officials and do they do inspections of the work being performed. I’ve seen some of these renovation video’s and the work seems to be done Wiley Niley . It also appears to be big moisture problems in homes there as evidenced by blistering interior paint and mold. I live in Florida which is a humid/rainy area for half the year and we have to keep the exterior pressure washed about once a year but our home interiors are not a problem unless the roof leaks.
Ken is a Barbie doll, my name is Nick 😏👍🏼. Seriously though, Tom, annual property tax is called IMI and it varies slightly from area to area, look up "IMI Calculadora" on Google. Yes, you need architectural drawings and yes you need council approval before commencing work. Damp is a problem here due to old and bad construction practices. Bear that in mind when buying, constructing and renovating and you'll be fine.
Actually, sorry I just realized how you got Ken! He was in the video from OkPortugal, oops 🤦☺️😂
@@AlgarveAddicts its not really bad construction, back then they just did not care so much about paint flacking off the walls, they did just use white wash every spring again, the nice part of the moisture collected in those walls is....house is cool like a cellar in the summer, the white wash did keep the mould away rather good too, how older the house, how thicker the layer of whitewash gets, try to hang a painting on such a wall....
Like all your info. Hoping I can find a place of my own. By the way; if you happen to know house sale ? Glad to see it. Thank you again.
Hi Rosana, drop me a line and we can discuss your budget, location etc www.algarveaddicts.com/contact
Doing anything in portugal is easy. 187 easy steps
Hahaha, that's a good one Victor. I think the key is to try and enjoy the ride and eat lots of good lunches along the way. Anticipate the worst and the best will happen.
Great video again Nick, very informative. I'm guessing that a land owner does not own the mineral rights on his/her land. I learned from another channel that Portugal has very high deposits of Lithium (the highest deposits in Europe?). If so, then I'd want to be careful about buying that land to begin with or buying land nearby an existing Lithium mining operation or one to become such. Is that an issue for buying one of these abandoned farms?
I guess it could be, I have no experience of that. I was just reading this article though which proves to be rather insightful: www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=aa59a994-40fa-4eaf-96eb-7149be70dc17
@@AlgarveAddicts, thanks for that document; it sure does get bureaucratic. Lithium mining is a surface extraction process unlike precious metals where they tunnel into the ground. I'm retired and solo in 🇨🇦 and want to go to Portugal for next winter but rent only, someplace inexpensive along the Algarve coast. I've been following your channel especially (I'm sub'd) and another retired Cdn couple.
Hi Nick - have always loved the Algarve (from way back in the early 1980s) and nearly bought a time share in Carvoeiro then... Looking at land for sale in the Algarve today, one can't help but see numerous properties with derelict buildings on them and I always wondered what happened to make the people abandon their homes - and in some cases - with some furniture left inside. Ken, in his clip, gave a reason why there are empty, run-down properties but I was thinking there must be other reasons and wondered if the 'Revolution in the 1970s" also had something to do with that - do you know? Thanks.
No I don't know but I always wondered the same thing. I expect it's a lot of different things, maybe legal issues, maybe inheritance, maybe abandonment due to urbanisation... ?
@@AlgarveAddicts thanks Nick. There must be a simple explanation.... 😉
Hi, Is there any chance you would have a copy of the fire regulations and map? We are looking to buy and would love to see the areas to avoid. Many thanks
Hi Gaye, I don't unfortunately. It would require a lot of sleuthing around local câmara websites, but it is there online.
Great video. Love this channel. How did you get connected with your lawyer?
I've got some great contacts, been here for years. Drop me an email if you need her?
Thank you!
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Question, you were not able to build because you did not get the PIP fully properly done? or even if you get the PIP it may be a risk of getting changes on what you can do, due to the law? or having the PIP would assure you to be untouchable in terms of your rights?
Hi David, I think your question is for Hannah and Jack, right?
Nick, you are very good at this man... ping me if you are in Lisboa anytime soon and we can grab a coffee and talk business.
Thank you . What kind of business are you in, Sameer?
@@AlgarveAddicts just sent you a message on Insta
My experience of dealing with authorities is the answer is Allways NO. it’s such a hassle to do anything nowadays
That's true.
That's an annoying history from the couple, with the changes from the fire treats. It's so easy for Portugal to extend a fire risk area instead of taking actions on it.
Yeah, it's really a tough one.
How much did you bought it , please tell me I am looking for the same ,
Hi Buzz, if you'd like me to help you find a home I have a great real estate broker here in the Algarve that I can refer you to. Please email me on nick@algarveaddicts.com
@@AlgarveAddicts thank you very much I will .....
How much can you extend a ruin?
It depends on each particular place, but generally it's about 30%, but you really need to check with the Câmara.
@@AlgarveAddicts I mean how much can you extend it with just the isenção de licença and no projeto?
but how to make money once I have the land and finished the house
How do you make 💰? Isn't that the eternal question for a fun life?
Any updates on this story please?
Which story, Simon?
How do i locate Hannah and jacks youtube site . thank you
Hi. It's right there in the description: th-cam.com/users/LifeReimaginedChannel
That was super quick and nice of you respond ! Hopefully my wife and I will have the pleasure of hooking with you for a tour. Pura Vida. Mario
25m2 is barely enough for a bedroom and bathroom 😆😅
Sounds like a minefield investing in Portugal to do renovation projects.
You definitely need to be well informed.
Helo I am Waseem from Pakistan and want to purchase some pice of land in north portugal upto 10 to 25 hectors for sheep farming as well as fruit and vegitable farming is it possible and and land should not be far awey from city to sell the products please infom me thanks for so good information by this vedio anlso the etimated price pet hector Isolated land is no problem thanks Waseem from Pakistan
Hi Waseem, I'm sure it's possible. Have a look at www.idealista.pt/en
@@AlgarveAddictsThanks
Much better to buy in serbia.weather land and so on.all is better
Great stuff Molnar, I'm looking forward to visit Serbia one day. Where is the best place to go?
Good. I wait for love from you 💝💖
What a nightmare !
Agreed! It's challenging but satisfying when you get it right.
Will the police leave you alone if you buy a ruin without a habitation licence ?
Who can tell? As far as I understand it they will leave you alone. However if a neighbour complains about you, they'll investigate.
Need lovely 😍💋 💝💖❤️
You'll get lonely in countryside without any live action besides some sheep. 🤗