How to Sing Lower 2: Subharmonic Register Octavist
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- Hello again! This is the 2nd video in my "How To Sing Lower" series. This one talks about the importance of placement in the subharmonic register, hopefully you enjoy it!
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those overtones were amazing
When you were singing from dark to light, I don't know if you heard it or not, but there were prevalent overtones. If you can't already, it would be very easy for you to learn how to sing using overtones.
he has a video talking about this topic I think,
Very interesting, David. I finally got the vocal fry position but no pitch control yet. Thanks.
Day 1: I lost my voice...
5:15 cool bass
Lol choir, back when I was in High School, I was the lowest bass (D2 in my chest voice) and the second guy was singing G2 at best, so we weren't allowed to sing any songs with low notes cos I'd be the only one.
Same
Lol me rn with c2
Nice. I’m still in high school and my lowest is an E1 in my chest voice
GamingWithCaboose In chest or chest-fry mix? Cause i used to think my F1 was chest til i realized that there was a thing called chest-fry
@@hai965 in chest, but I see what you’re saying. After E1 I have to go into either subharmonic or fry.
These tutorials are wonderful! I feel (almost) like an octavist already... :)
As a person that learns classical singing with a teacher, I am being taught that the only acceptable placement is the "very bright" as you call it.
Dude just watching this and the first one, I can really do it now! Bflat 1 is too high for me to sing in subharmonic though, yet too low to sing in my chest voice (B natural is as low as I can go) but my Ab1 sounds HELLA thick. Thanks man!
Hell yeah! Thinking back, I'm pretty sure Ab1 was my first decent note too, but I'm not sure. It's definitely a lot harder to work the higher part of the register than it is the lower part! Hopefully I'll have part 3 up today or tommorow! ✌
Been trying for a week to get B1, but A and G come much easier.
Are u bass or baritone? @harleyzeth
Hello David, haven't found you on FB - there must be hundreds of David Larsons there. Your videos on the subject resonate very well with me, if you'll pardon the double entendre.
I have an interest in basso singing. Long time ago when I was a member of the Royal Australian Air Force Air Training Corps, NCO training in which I found myself roaring at a bunch of squaddies, forced me to go hoarse. That was at the age of 17. I temporarily lost my voice, but when it recovered, I found my voice had broken. It had transformed not gradually but suddenly, from boy-tenor to basso profondo and proved to have 90 dB power, too. I loved it. Singing with it was tremendous fun. Over subsequent decades, I lost it through lack of use and it sort of returned to the tenor-baritone range.
Lately over the last three years (some 40 years later), I have been singing karaoke for recreation. Back in my younger days, karaoke didn't exist. With this activity, I have been working towards getting the formerly mighty basso voice back. I have managed to hit E0 in true pitch once or twice, though not consistently. As I understand it, that is below the classic basso profundo range, so I call it "ultra basso", but the former richness of tone, the depth of resonance and the 90 dB of power have still not yet returned. In the Air Force, it seemed a natural consequence of using the voice constantly at maximum volume to the point of stressing it (perhaps this forces the vocal cords to adapt and the user to change his manner of delivery?) where I learned to bring it up from somewhere in the lower abdomen and mix notes in the throat and head to produce beat frequencies. I understand these to be the Fry notes. They happen very much as you demonstrate in your video - my spoken voice is normally in the same range as yours.
I've got the "placement" tip for increasing richness and volume by resonating in the nasal cavity - great tip and thanks!!!
But whilst I want to go farther and farther down the scale towards 4 Hz (I can handle Lee Marvin's Wanderin' Star, though it needs to sound better), I also want to extend my upper range, firstly to preserve the highest notes I can presently hit in the mid-tenor register, rather than lose them as I reach lower; then recover the full tenor register I once had in my intermediate years without losing the ultra basso range. Except for the limited range of notes, I can turn on a fairly good operatic tenor tonality or even "pure" tenor like Don McLean's. Within the limits of my present range, the vocal style is versatile - I can imitate Don McLean, Billy Fields, Elton John, Billy Joel, Neil Diamond, Johnny Cash, Ronan Keating, Paul Robeson, Ray Stevens and others quite respectably. Basically, I want to be able to sound like J.D. Summer, or like Andrea Boccelli or Luciano Pavarotti, as I choose. The problem is that my larynx tightens up if I attempt the highest notes in that tenor register too often. Then beyond that, I would like to extend it further.
Tips from you on extending the range in both directions would be greatly appreciated, as would any tips on avoiding "larygeal seizure" and on recovering the power. There's no parade ground or bunch of marching squaddies to roar at, any more.
Another thing I would appreciate greatly, if you have any to offer, is tips on songs for bass singers and octavists, other than Gospel. Good ones are not easy to find.
At the end I started singing in a high part and when I went lower I was finally able to get into subharmonic but it's still kinda cranky thank you
anyone else hear the overtones at ~2:45
I do ^_^
oh hey that was fast, i'm still watching
+David Larson mind if i'm your 1000th sub? or were you reserving that slot
+John Dooney Dude... I'd be honored! Go right ahead! ✌
gratz on 4 digits man!!!
Haha, thanks! As a natural bass myself I always wondered why some basssingers sound so low at the beginning of singing some higher notes...now I know the reason! :D
Jow, thanks. Had it down in a few tries with your advice. Anything under C#2 was kinda meh, now the F1 is doable. With some practice I might be able to use this in the choir.
I'm a self taught overtone singer too, and this also helped me with the lower tones. So at least it's another party trick.
I have been doing subharmonic for quite a while now(14 yo) and I discovered this helps extending chest voice in the lower end. I can go d2 back then, now it's a b1
Hi David, I have a couple questions for you! My chest voice goes down to d2, and I can sing Bb1 with subharmonics easily, but I can't go much lower. I'm wondering with more and more practice, will I be able to eventually hit a d1? Lower? How does that work?I am also 15 and am wondering if my voice is going to get any deeper?
I just wanted to comment that your voice is definitely gonna grow deeper then I saw it was a comment 3 years ago😅 So you are 18 now and I'm curious about how's thing been?
@@willwu7929 And one year later I am curious too haha
@@howtobicycle3853 Try switching the placement around. My voice goes down to an F2, but I've done subs down in the 0th octave. For me, going lower has to do with airflow control and placement, more specifically it feels lighter on the airflow and more compressed in the upper part of the throat the lower I go.
Find a day your subs are strong, relax your body as much as you can and try switching those factors around :)
Tell us please
@@willwu7929 how are you?
i can finally sing lower, this guy is amazing
can I use this? I'm a woman with a lower voice
Im pretty sure both men and women can, but I've never talked to a woman that has tried it. Please try it and see if it works!
+David Larson my friend is able to and she's a girl
+David Larson well I'm more of a high tenor mostly because I'm 12
Hi did you see the video of the girl Hiting the B1 also would you bee interested in talking in Facebook I think I have sunshine down but I'm not sure I could use some help
@@wmoros4902 Not all 12-year-olds have high tenor.
I can finnaly sing in Avi Kaplan's range for my chorus when we sing Take Me Home by Pentatonix!!
Shoot I’m still having a lot of trouble getting any note in the subharmonic register. I can’t tell if I’m doing it or not
Dramatic tenor here but thanks to these, I have been able to sing down to E1 :)
Hei bro, i'm a choir/chorale bass,, how do i resonate more loudly with my low notes? How do I resonate my bass voice to chest?
As a bass for many years, place the note more closely to the brighter side so that your cheekbones vibrate more
I am a 15 yr old bass singer in church choir my depth is just F2 can I do this technique bro
that's how I do the blitzcrank voice
but this is exactly the hard thing about Subharmonic technique, i can execute it if i have the sound up in the nasal part, But! i can't apply the fry if i make the sound come from my deep resonant chest voice. I already notice this, but i'm glad that you clarified that i had to obtain this ability. Right now the more up front in my mask i sing SH mode, the easier it gets :D But it does get that weird scooter engine noise :P
That's just something you've gotta practice. It's tough right away, but it's definitely worth it to get an authentic sound in the long run!
+David Larson As much as possible, it is good to sing with a low larynx, and to use more support rather than raising the larynx as we sing higher. Especially for basses, but also for tenors who want to expand their high chest range and low subharmonic register, controlling the larynx is one of the most important steps.
Hi David, I must be missing something as I have no idea what you mean by placement. The word indicates you are placing something somewhere but I have no idea what or where or, more to the point, how. Can you clarify please
You look like you lived in Minnesota lol
thanks for you time on this :)
My main issue, concerns the transition zone between the ''simple,modal, chest'' notes and the subharmonic/fry stuff . I mean if my chest lowest is a E2 and i could achieve, say, F1 with technique (fry/other) and I'm supposed to sing something that contains notes from both spectrums, say F2 to G1, how could I manage to keep the notes from sounding weird like coming from 2 different persons ? Trained oktavists seem to be managing OK but others seem to fail in that .
hy.i am a baritone my range is g2. i cant do this subharmonic y
I find I can talk the full range subharmonically easier than singing it which is the whole point. Singing is harder to control and move up and down probably just need to keep practicing
Dude, love the videos, but why oh why are you filming in portrait?
i sounded like a grandpa having a stroke
We in such a singing gratetude, brother David! Crpathian canons will be enlightened by such a schooling!!! We invite You to RUTHENIKA ORTHODOX!
So my lowest note currently is F2, what note am I trying to hit while singing in the subharmonic register? I can almost hit an E2 as well.
Matt K my lowest note is between d2 and and f2 and I worked best with around A or C
Tbh, I am 17 and have sinus problem . I always feel a big amount of congestion in my throat and because of that I can't even speak in my normal tone. I have a bass type voice . Sometimes when it feel less congestion in my throat I can easily hit an A1 but most of the times I can't even hit an E2 . This is really annoying. This is the reason I'm not in my school choir anymore. I went through few months of treatment...but nothing helped! Can you help me in this?
Barbershop! Yaayyy!
That's what I was thinking
May i ask again? :D how could you make your lower notes louder?
+Aldrin Laoang Practice doing it louder I guess.
Do u think I could sing us harmonics at 13
When going from dark to light, is the vowel sound changing only because of your lips, or because of other stuff too?
No, it's more so internal. The lips are kind of just a by-product.
This is kind of hard to describe, but you almost have to imagine the sound as a ball of sound. Like a physical ball. That ball is the spot where you are resonating the sound at.
You can change the shape of the inside of your throat, and move your soft pallet up and down to change the position of this "ball". The higher you place the ball, the brighter the sound will be. The deeper in your throat you place it, the darker and more buried the sound will be.
Experiment a bit with this idea, it should start making sense after a bit.
Dillon Hartwig Maybe Bb1
same as Mark McDonald's..... my lowest singable note is a B/B flat 1 in my natural (chest?) voice, and I do not have music (singing/notes) background.....does this mean I could probably drop to a "growl" @ B zero ? Thanks....a novice
Yes
pro tip. You notice that thing he does at 4:25 where he lips into subharmonics? Try to do that. I slipped right down
At least it did first time I tried...
Hi David, I'm a bass and although I'm not in a choir at the moment, I've sung in many choirs over the years. I was really interested in your videos and tried for ages to use the techniques on my lower register, but my lowest normal note is already a Bflat 1 so do you think would still work for me? It would be awesome to be able to hit a Bflat 0. I didn't have much success I have to say.
Mark Mc Donald I've been doing subharmonic singing for a while now and you can do it but it takes a lot of breath support and it will be much more difficult because it is the lowest note in your chest range. If you keep working on it I bet that you'll be able to do it every once and a while but probably not normally.
Mark Mc Donald and I'd say the best place to use subharmonics for you would be maybe an Eb1-A1
Thanks Bobocop, I've kept trying and I can get to that sort of split voice stage easily enough, but to get the proper subharmonic notes out for any real use, hasn't happened yet, but I'll keep trying every now and then.
Mark Mc Donald My lowest chest is a Bb1 too but my lowest subharmonic is just a F1. I don't know if I have a bad tuner or cannot hit notes one octave below my deepest chest. Can you tell me if you hit notes like C1 or even B0?
5 years has passed and i am here to give you the answer, haha: there is no difference, as far as i figured out, between dropping down from A2 to A1 if A2 is comfortable for you (lies well in your range), and from A1 to A0 with the same conditions, so given enough practice - yes, you absolutely can go down an octave from your lowest chest note
i was practicing this in a big room and everyone heard me thru the music
Is there a way it should feel when you use your subharmonic register? I've been attempting it and it feels like air keeps trying to escape through my "dark" register. What should I feel when I peel the 8vb?
Its a muscle and you have to build it/train it?
Are dark and bright the same as nasal and far-back?
Yes! ^_^
I run out of breathe trying to do higher notes / octaves.
and the higher the notes, the more stress I feel.
Sorry for commenting a year late, but are you breathing properly for singing?
North Dakotan-Tibetan Throat Singing.
Or, as my ex-girlfriend (raised in New Mexico) would say it, "...throat sing-ging".
Pass the yak butter yo.
I can sing the his subharmonic in normal chest voice just fine... I don't know what note to try for
@David Larson you messing with Ebola in your garage? Lol
Those overtones though!
Is deepening voice is helpful?
How do you control your air?
My comfortable voice is a D2 but I can full voice an A#1, so does that mean I should hit D1 or C1 in subharmonic or A#0? I can't do any. My lowest is E1 on a good day. Any idea how to help? Edit: I have had not trained subharmonic voice until I started 3 weeks ago. I am in choir and only just turned 17, do you think I have hope of deepening further? Edit: My E1or F1 has cracks or whatever you call them. Same with any note below A#1. I hope this means I can go lower than E1 then.
Caleb Burley I've heard that your voice will continue to change until your late 20s. Your range might go up or down. A D2 or C2 is what I can normally hit with resonance, and I'm trying to learn subharmonics to give me a decent G1 to B1, like falsetto for bass. I don't know why I'd need to go much lower, besides for parties.
I still can get to the subharmonics any tips
Excelent
Using this I can get down to a G-3 it's pretty awesome but not very practical for actual singing.
Mostly you can't actually hear it?
So the different is the syllables? Ah and oh?
It’d due to the overtone resonating differently with different vowels.
Your eyes are piercing my soul
How old are you mate?
Hey David I am learning throat singing you teach well I am impressed! Also you are good looking chap maybe have a coffee sometime lol
Nice t-shirt
I thought I was getting it but now I’m kinda stuck
Alguém traduz pra português
Anybody else hear that bass sound in 4:40?
Do you think this technique would work for a Contralto? :0
I'm wondering this, too! I'm a mezzo soprano and wonder if I'd be able to do this...for one woman overdub a cappella reasons. XD
I hear you sister! I'm Alto, and hell do I wish I could do this!
MerryCherry If women have the same type of vocal chords that he speaks of in his first video, then in theory yes!
Actually.. It is possible. Try it and you'll know it, in fact i already seen a video that a girl (Contralto) do it, and hit the Bb1 with subharmonics
David, can you start doing this stuff on TikTok. I think you could be big bro.
Am I the only one who's extremely jealous of his shop??
My problem is that I can hit notes at around C0 to E0 with just my normal voice. I may already be doing the subharmonics without me knowing but I have a hard time projecting any notes under Bflat1
Man, thats impossible phisically... you are probably doing some thecnique unconsciently
Dillsion1ALT Maybe C1
Dillsion1ALT or C2
you have to specific vocal chords to sing like a oktavist
Do you live in Maine?
No, but I have quite a bit of family in the Brunswick area - we visit there in the summers most years!
The shirt is from Great Moose Lake - family has a cabin up there
Oh nice. That's where I live. Your tutorials are very helpful. I have been throat singing for a long time now and I can usually do an A1, but this is really helping me with just singing with false chords. (I need to learn this because I am a tenor haha)
I'm baritone and I'm twelve, God knows how deep I can go after I'm 14.
Now that you are 14. Tell me of your voices power.
@@Th3BigBoy My voice didn't change that much. I gave up on subharmonics, but I picked up throat singing. I'm reconsidering going back to subharmonics and hopefully I get better progress.
@@tonchette7993 that's good to hear. Maybe after throat singing you can hit subharmonic easier. I was able to get it a few times but I don't think I could ever pull it off on demand, which is what I am going for.
@@Th3BigBoy same thing here
did anyone ever comment that this technique sounds like a digerido (i believe from Australian aborigines )
The qualities of resonance are closely similar to didgeridoo. Aborigines who play it use a variety of tricks. Mainly, they use the same "rasperry" you would put to the mouthpiece of any brass instrument like a trumpet; and the other thing they often use is "groaning" or "growling" - Tuval, Kargyraa or maybe pure false cord resonating. The resonant length, wall thickness and other properties of the wood, species and so on do the rest.
Why can't I find you on instagram
CnF Sorry I've got my old IG name in the description - I gotta update that. It's @davidwiththelonghair now
David Larson yo I texted u on insta
This is not basso profundo or oktavist singing, neither is it really harmonic singing. If you are naturally a tenor why not stick to that? If you do master real harmonic singing, good for you, let's hear it.
Your almost a OKTAVIST.😂
Cool, didgeridoo
why the fuck am i so good at doing this and i only 14 someone help lol
du singst so tief ich seh auf youtube deine hängenippel niederfrequent vibriieren
Gotta say, to anybody who fancies themselves a bass, if you have to darken the voice to sound "bassy", you ain't a bass, you're just a wannabe. I work with professional basses regularly, and they just open their mouths, and a massive, dark sound rolls out. Even when they sing bright, or in the "mask" it's still deep and dark.
This placement stuff is nonsense, sorry to say.
I thought I was getting it but now I’m kinda stuck