Agatha's mom saying Agatha was born evil and Rio defending her while both of them are dressed in teenager clothes from the 80s is giving queer trauma. We won't go there in this show, obviously, but the vibes were insane.
@@itz_ty.71 I have no faith in Disney when it comes to LGBTQ content, I must say. What we already got in this show is WAY beyond that I thought Disney would allow.
@@Miss_All_Sundays Disney's one of those companies who sometimes goes all the way with the rep (see; Willow) and then somewhere in there realizes they did something genuinely good and backpedals (see; Willow getting canceled).
That ending was AMAZING but holy hell, Kathryn's acting? Like she literally gave me chills, that sarcastic smile and the "pet" were pure acting perfection. The entire cast is absolutely killing it (no pun intended) and their chemistry together is out of this world. Whoever did the casting did a hell of a good job. Also, baby girl looks FIERCE and so badass in that "crown" 👑
100% he's wiccan. he was able to say "nicholas scratch" without the sigil scratching over his mouth, so he's clearly not saying who HE is out loud. and then the blue powers, a new kind of headband for him, and then they zoom in on BILLY's face as a BILLIE song plays. it was perfection.
the sigil definitely broke when agatha did an evil smiled towards billy. cause that’s when she found out who he truly was and i heard someone say you could hear a noise in that scene. i definitely don’t think he’s possessed of being controlled either, i believe he put the sigil upon himself to get agatha and her coven to get him on the road and therefore his memories were unlocked when the sigil broke so he wasnt faking anything up until now but he’s been controlling the series all along
@@yigitkslaloglu756 Her crown was nothing like that. It was strands that went from the front of her head to the back, like Emma Frost’s psychic signature from Wolverine and the X-Men. Billy’s crown is literally the same design as Wanda’s.
Rio doesn't mind Agatha getting killed because it means she gets to "have" her (since she's Death). The mother "keeping" Agatha might mean she'll be stuck with her in some other plane of existence where Rio can't go, that's why she got so scared that she might lose Agatha forever.
Fun fact, Teen was in Billy's Halloween costume from Wandavision. He just didn't have the cloak, that was a major giveaway for me... But I was *still* gagged
Can we all collectively agree that even though Agatha’s been generally presented as campy and hammy and goofy fun, the moment at the end of the episode when she looks at Billy and whispers “Are you sure?” was *_genuinely frightening._*
I wonder if Billy was the one that killed Sharon. _He_ was the one that was with Sharon and the one to declare her dead. I originally thought that when Agatha said “I didn’t think you had it in you,” that she was talking to Rio. But she may have been referencing Billy. And when Billy asks who Agatha was talking about, Agatha simply stares at him and winked. And this is why at the end, Agatha gave Billy those venomous words before stating he was just like his mother, by pretending to be so sweet and innocent when he’s aware that he’s done terrible things, only to deny them - such as killing Sharon, then denying it. Lilia and Jen aren’t dead. Neither is Agatha. Purely because in the trailer, we see them in future trials. It’s more likely that Billy threw them out of the road and into Westview again. We see Jen clawing her way out of the ground into what appears to be Westview. I think Billy may have placed the sigil on himself. But I also believe he’s under the influence of someone else. I don’t want to immediately state it’s Mephisto, but in the comics, Mephisto claimed the souls of Billy and Tommy and sent a middle-man to collect them for him. So maybe it’s indeed the influence of Mephisto? I don’t think Agatha’s voluntarily tearing the magic out of Alice. It seemed like a kind of reflex, and she looked genuinely shocked and disturbed afterwards. I still believe her whole persona is an act, and that she plays into the villain role that others cast her in, rather than have to constantly explain herself to people that have already formulated an opinion of her via rumours. And if the power drainage is indeed an involuntary one that results in the death of those around her, that may explain why Agatha drew the attention of Rio in the first place. And what sparked her attraction to Agatha. Edit: Going quickly back to Mephisto claiming Billy and Tommy’s souls in the comics, what if _he_ is the one who placed Billy Maximoff’s soul in Billy Kaplan’s body? And is how Billy was able to be reincarnated? Baseless conjecture from my part, though. And I also wonder if the one witch that survived the witches road with Agatha before was her _mother._ And yet, I half doubt Agatha walked the road before at all.
Theory: I don't think anyone's died. I think they're all still in the basement. Billy helped open the Road, he found the invitation, he found the record, he found the Ouija board...I think he's doing exactly what his mom did on a tighter scale.
Wanda seemed to create the Hex completely by accident, and not knowing what was going on, simply played along. She only began to actively defend the Hex the more she became lost in it and her make-belief life with Vision. And she had no idea that the people caught in the Hex were suffering. Billy so far by contrast, seems to be _very_ aware of everything, down to how to access the Witches Road, the clues for the trials and having set the entire coven up and manipulated them to get what he wants.
@@arc7375 Wanda might've started things by accident and not *initially* known, but she certainly knew what she was doing past a certain point (see; her emerging from the Hex to threaten Hayward and then deliberately expanding it to encompass his men). Billy's certainly manipulated them, though he hasn't done much in terms of direct control (aside form Lilia and Jennifer at the end of the latest ep)
Omg I'm so sad Alice died, you could tell Alice sympathized with Agatha and that's why she tried her best to protect her... while Alice's mom did everything she could to protect her daughter, Agatha's mom wished she ended her daughter's life... RIP queen Alice. ;w;
My thoughts on Rio hating ghosts is since being Death having spirits that should be ferried by her not only existing in the world but trying to kills others maybe before their times gets under her skin
I watched the episode last night and have been counting he hours to see the reaction because it was CRAZY. When the Ouija board spelled Mrs. Hart, I thought it spelled Mr Shart and was like Huh? Also Rio laughing when the board spelled Death, a clue that everyone else with the oh shit look but Rio, maybe knowing more. Aubrey's witch laugh is too perfect. Plus anyone else clock that they're going through the decades like WandaVision did. They're in the 80s clearly, last was the 70s. With 9 episodes in the season we should be ending in present day. If Wanda was dream walking into Teen's (Billy's) body I feel like the magic would be red then not his iconic blue. I think his head piece was just supposed to cement that he IS Wanda's son. I am also wondering if we are gonna get a reference to Speed (Tommy) at some point, though in the comics Billy doesn't know about Tommy until they meet.
The thing is, I think Agatha didn’t mean to intentionally steal Alice’s magic and life. She clearly expressed regretting doing that both when she realised what she did, and looking at her own hand with residuals of Alice’s power to herself after leaving the cabin. Edit: When Alice blasted Agatha, I think Agatha was just in the moment to the point she couldn’t stop doing it.
Yeah, she was already freaking out over the idea of the coven leaving her with her mother, AND Evanora had just repossessed her: she wasn't anywhere CLOSE to being in her right mind.
Agatha did not mean to kill Alice that is for sure. She simply could not stop taking her power once she started , since it is very addictive ... Later she made it seem like she meant to do it so teen could blast her with magic , but she did not expect him mind controlling lilia and Jen to physically throw her off the road in the mud
@@Stefan-oj6oz I get the sense Agatha has a lot of empathy and compassion for the people around her. But because of her reputation and actions, it’s difficult for her to form any sort of meaningful connection. My prediction for the ending is that by the time Agatha fully regains her magic and completes the Road, as well as defeating the Salem Seven and Rio (possibly). She learns that she no longer wants power, and that she wants to protect her coven. So I’m hoping by the end, that she has a self-reflecting moment and uses her magic to resurrect Alice, Mrs. Hart and possibly Jennifer and Lilia that will most likely die as well.
@@elusivo3347 Yeah same ! I feel like that will be the ending , and instead of being Wanda's mentor like in the comics , they will change it so she will become Billy's mentor instead
Rio says they could just slit her throat and it’s like, yeah, she’s right, they COULD, but would she actually do it? Meh. There’s a lot of stuff she says just to get a reaction. And she doesn’t seem to take physical pain very seriously, probably bc she’s a bit of a sadist but also because she knows she could just heal her or would stop things before it went too far. But Agatha’s *emotional* pain? That’s something Rio won’t stand for. There’s so much crazy and weird stuff that happened in this episode I honestly don’t know what to think yet XD like was the trial even real?! And how long has Agatha known who Wiccan really is?? How are they all going to end up back together for Lilia’s trial, and what will the vibe between them be after all these betrayals? It’s gonna be a loooong week waiting for answers!
THAT ENDING! 👏🏽👑 The Salem 7 are creepy as hell! Feral hive minded coven hell bent on revenge…fun! “Mercy is overrated” 💁🏽♀️ Broom flying 🙌🏼 The longing glances 🖤 Adore Rio’s maniacal laughter at times of peril 😂 Summer camp sleepover chic? 💚 Ouija board hijinks. Ages 3 & up 💀 Punish Agatha? “Familiars don’t get a vote” was savage. Possessed Agatha! 🙌🏼 “Stop embarrassing me in front of my friends” 😂 “Her mother can’t have her” 🖤 The mommy issues on full display 😭 Nicholas Scratch breaking her out of her trance. Not Alice! 💔 I was really liking her. She’s got some power back now. That scene where Agatha figures out his identity 🔥”You’re just like your mother.” Not Teen throwing the coven in the sinking mud! Billie 🎶 The soundtrack is amazing! 🔥These cliffhangers are killing me! At least Rio made it out. So invested in this show. It keeps getting better every week! Enjoying the hell out of these reactions y’all 🫠
If agathas “ability/power” is to absorb magic uncontrollably against her will. That would make sense as to why her mom said she was born evil, anddddd maybe possibly when her son got his power he accidentally used it on her and …. Yeah
A theory I have heard is that there is a slightly yellow filter during Lillia's premonition dream at the beginning, and the ending sequence also has a noticeable yellow tint. So that might have been a premonition, tied to Lillia warning Alice, "Alice! Alice, don't" "try to save Agatha".
The smirk Agatha had on her face when she saw the blue power coming from his fingers…I think she wanted him to blast her because his power is strong enough to restore hers but was shocked when he used the other two instead to “punish” her. He knows better than to hit her directly.
I honestly don't think Agatha has control over her magical siphoning. I think it's all automatic when it gets to her and, it looks like when she's siphoning powers its very euphoric like a drug. But after it was done -- Agatha looked so shaken, even the audio description says Agatha was horrified. Ironically, I think the only time she could control her siphoning powers is when she had the Darkhold. Also, did you guys notice that the aspect ratio didn't change like it did with the other houses? And the exit went UP and not DOWN as all the trial exits? I think something funky is going on and maybe the Salem Seven co-opted the trial. Because trials are supposed to both show fear the most and have the witch's use SKILL. There was no skill here.
I got a theory that has nothing to do with the episode. Wanna hear it anyway? Teen/Billy/Wiccan said he wanted to walk the rRoad for Power, because, you know, you walk the Road and survive and you get whatever you want. I think hes walking the Road to bring his mom back, and, hello, that's Wanda's reintroduction to the MCU after her confirmed death.
I was thinking more along the lines of Wanda saying she was going to keep an eye on Agatha and I wonder if this was how. And so now that Agatha is getting out of line, it activate a spell that Wanda casted.
I think this was a failed trial. Agatha was supposed to be tempted to steal power, but not take it, but she took it anyway. The others were supposed to save Agatha from her mother, but only Rio defended her. I think that’s why Teen threw them all in the earth. They have to do some punishment for failing the test.
That episode was FUN. But way too short. Ugh wished it was at least another 15 mins longer. NEED MORE! I kinda feel bad for Agatha, even though she's an evil witch, her reaction after killing alice was genuine. For a few seconds she actually looked like she felt Remorse, regret. Then obviously after she noticed she got a spark of power, her evil cruel self showed back up lol Honestly I don't believe anyone is actually born evil. That trauma from her mother shaped her for what she is now. NEED to know more about her and her mother's relationship.
Regarding the crown Wiccan has, it’s indeed just a headband in the comics. However, Wanda doesn’t have a crown in the comics either. It’s an “M” which originally referenced her as a member of Magneto’s evil brotherhood of mutants. It was modelled after his helmet. While she retains a streamlined “M” tiara, she’s never had a crown as shown in the MCU. Both are just how the MCU has decided to adapt them. And I like it. They’re a lot more intricate. And while Wanda’s is a matte red and burgundy, Billy’s appears metallic, to reference his headband in the comics.
A powerless Agatha had no means to force her mom’s spirit to possess her or devise some sort of fake scenario like that. That was clearly part of the trial. I don’t believe Agatha took Alice’s power on purpose rather it was a reflex brought on by her mental state as well as possibly simply how her power drain thing works.
Happy "Agatha" Thursday morning with Sergio and Cody! 🔮✨️ Great reaction you two. 😊 This was another great episode. This is possibly one of my favorites so far. I had a feeling that was who the Teen was. Good to have confirmation on that. And I liked the use of Billie Elish for Wiccan's introduction. Looking forward to your reaction for "Buffy" later this evening. 😊
And the crazy thing is Alice saved her cuz in way she related to that mother wound but at the same time she didn’t even get her powers it burnt out , so Alice death was just a yoke at Agathas character
No cause i really feel sorry for Alice. I have a feeling Agatha really didn't do it for powers but on the other hand she would. I again really feel sooooo sorry for Alice, i thought only Sharon would die and the rest survive, but........no
I heard a theory about how this entire episode might be a premonition by Lilia, and the person's reasoning was because of how everyone acted in this episode. The way they all treated each other during the trial was much like how they were treating each other at the beginning of the story, not like how they were literally last episode. So they believe that this entire episode is Lilia's dream, because if you're like me, you've had dreams where you "wake up" only to still be sleeping and to find out that you were sleeping the whole time.
So I have a theory. I think Agatha has some kind of curse or another personality. Something like Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. She didn't seem in control at all. She was surprised. I also don't think she traded her son for the Darkhold willingly. I think that curse/other personality takes control when she acquires power. Her mother knew and that's why she said those things. Rio also looked like she knows why Agatha's mother said the seemingly awful things that she said. And when Agatha approached Teen at the end, she looked different. Acted different. I get that she's not a good person. She doesn't care. She's selfish and all that, but it just seemed weird to me.
I love Sasheer but she made it very clear where her priorities are in this ep. Liliana was a bit gentler but essentially took the same stance: we’re all here for power. I think that’s what set Teen off-he’s been wanting to be part of a coven this whole time, and he finally accepted it’s not happening with these witches.
At the end, Liliana and Jennifer just took agatha like the were robots or controled and i think somewhat Rio is the reason of it, because their eyes were green and Rio is the green witch and once wiccan pushes them into the mud, they seems to like regain consciousness. As for Agatha, i've theorize before that she may be cursed and that made her evil. But omg i'm so happy to see finally Wiccan 😆😆😁.
This episode was only 32 Minutes but talk about a gut punch. Poor Alice, I loved the character development and her bond with Teen The reveal had been so leaked which was a huge shame, 1st the subtitle error then the cereal firm and the mini models. Next week looks very problematic I wont post spoilers but I think two of them are in deep trouble. :(
If you guys are okay with a shirt essay of a comment, I am happy to provide an absurdly in depth breakdown including things I've noticed breakdowns have missed. 😅🤷 * I noticed a lot of Buffy references from beyond where you've covered and don't want y'all spoiled by accident 🥺*
Everyone (in the world of the story) always talks about how Agatha stole powers from her coven, killed her mother, traded her baby for the Darkhold etc But why did her mother and their coven decide to kill her? Evanora said "I should have killed you at birth" etc Everyone "knows" who Agatha's mother is, and many say she stole the Darkhold from her. Who is Agatha's dad? should we say "Mephisto confirmed" yet?
Idk but sometimes when Parents / Mothers dissapointed in their kids they sometimes said that yk like "If you were'nt born, my life would be great", Imo saying that to their kids even though their kids did some bad, cruel, criminal, murder, etc. feel so harsh.
Y’all want Billy to be Wanda’s son so bad but his crown looks like Agatha’s mothers crown when they were trying to execute Agatha and Salem If you remember, that’s the first crown we ever seen in WandaVision before Wanda becomes the Scarlet witch Agatha’s mothers blue Crown
Could the witches have been told to attack Agatha in an attempt to get them to give her their powers? Earlier Agatha tried to provoke them to steal their powers. What if Death is trying to get Agatha’s powers back while collecting the bodies of the other witches? Agatha becomes the scapegoat
In episode two Lilia said try to protect Agatha. She was referring to this moment and they failed. They were supposed to protect Agatha from the spirit of her mother. That’s why the stairs open But they failed Wiccans crown in this episode looks like Agatha’s moms crown
I'm hoping this is actually Billy's Trial and it's all in his mind, since it doesnt make sense that he took those 3 out. That would be the end of the show. Maybe it's his trial of learning, and then controlling, the insane amount of power he has.
@@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250 He’s one of the most powerful beings in Marvel. But he’s certainly _not_ more powerful than Wanda. Much like how Speed/Tommy isn’t as fast as Quicksilver/Pietro.
She gives me very Ursula vibes. Especially with that “Are you sure/You’re so much like your mother” scene - made me think of “What I want from you is/Your voice.”
I definitely gotta say I don’t blame the Salem Seven for going after Agatha. She killed their mothers and they were driven to insanity because of everything she did to them. Their clear goal is exacting justice for their mothers. I seriously love how they act as a hive mind and how twisted and warped they are, but also that they each are linked to a specific animal and they each act like said animal.
guuuurrrrrrlllll that billie eilish needle drop had me TWERKING!! This episode was amazing!! gahhhh!!!!!!! I need mooooooooooorrrrreeeee lol love yoouuu🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
My question is where tf was Rio while all this was happening in the end? Did I miss something? Anyway this was a great way to introduce who this character truly was the entire time. The fact that Agatha knew all along is hilarious.
The question -- was anyone paying attention to WHERE IS RIO at the end of the episode - she did not come out with the rest of them and she did not get fed to the swamp.
I noticed she stayed behind. Likely to tend to Alice’s body and ferry her soul to its afterlife. That’s what I assumed, anyway. Goes hand in hand why she hates ghosts - dead people that aren’t in their afterlife in death as they’re supposed to be.
@@arc7375 You know I just had a crazy idea - that all of them dying was a part of that particular trial. So "DEATH" was something they each had to face. In Teens case, a type of death and rebirth (as Wiccan).
I do feel like Agatha could have stooped it but it tasted to good and she fell back into her old ways but I don’t think she wanted to kill her completely intentionally if that makes sense
There’s gotta be like 12 more shoes to drop after this episode. I do not think anything that happened was “real”. They failed to actually punish Agatha in the house so either that whole thing wasn’t the trial, or it was still going on outside the house. We know Lilia comes back for a bit of divination. Where was Rio? So many questions that make me think we are still missing A LOT about Teen.
GUYS, i want everyones opinions on how weird Aggie was at the end towards Billy/Teen. The way she went up to his ear and like grabbed his chin. Also how did she know (SPOILER) who’s billy’s mum is. Like how did she find out wanda was his mum. She must have god tier predictions.?????? We can agree Justice for Agatha right, because clearly her mum is a terrible being… like, instead of teaching Aggie how to control her power just tried killing her instead 💀
Somehow it took me a couple of watches to realize this, but I’m pretty sure Agatha is still possessed by the spirit of her mother at the end of the episode. That’s why she’s flip flopping from confusion and regret to evil and murderous. You can hear her mumbling “no, that wasn’t me” right before her demeanour suddenly changes again. That smile that suddenly came over her when she told Teen “you’re just like your mother” looked so strange because it wasn’t her in control of her own body at that moment. If Scarlet Witch is working through Teen, maybe next episode will be a mother showdown!
the fits for this seasons is always everything 😍 and loosing Alice🥺 plz I want her to come back, once this is wrapped up please watch Outbreak (1995) about a monkey thats carrying a virus and infesting its a good movie.
In the comics, the “M” headdress Wanda wears is for “Magneto.” The headdress was modelled after Magneto’s helmet. Don’t forget she was originally introduced as part of Magneto’s Brotherhood of mutants. Over the years, while the headdress has been redesigned as more sleek, it still retains the “M” shape. And the MCU crown is modelled after the comic redesign. So in short, I think it’s not a reference to Mephisto, and all about making Wanda’s trademark costume piece in the comics something spectacular on-screen.
I think Agatha being "Evil" ( her mother's words ) was said because Evanora knew and hated her daughter was gay, which was confirmed to her when Agatha & Rio fell in Love back in the day. Sadly, Rio was the one who had to sacrifice Nicholas by taking him to Hell / the Underworld, which turned Agatha and Rio's love for one another to hate. Agatha's support of Teen aka Wiccan is because as a gay youth once she can fully relate to him is my guess..
Certainly could play into it. I interpreted that however as more the case that she viewed Billy as a surrogate son. She clearly shows deep grief and sorrow for losing her son, and Billy filled that void. Even Rio had to confirm that he wasn’t - which was a kindness, so Agatha wouldn’t be so distraught when it would be confirmed later. I feel Agatha knew he wasn’t her son at all, but had a quiet and irrational hope that he could be.
Is Wiccan possessed by mephisto or wanda cause he seems to be not in control when standing up to agatha also his hand movements are like Wanda's and I believe that rio knows more about him than the others cause she never talks to him I believe that Wiccan is not in his right mind
Yes. Agatha did just scream, "Billy, Help Me! HELP ME!" The subtitles hid Billy's name because the audience is still getting hit with the sigil. I'm saying Billy sigiled himself during the interrogation scene in episode 1. His powers in the comics border on editing the metatext of the comics themselves.
While I do think Rio loves Agatha I think her defense of her against her mother was more of a "Only I get to kill her" and less of the traditional I need to protect her. Very murder wives. Which is why she so ready to slit her throat until she realized someone other than her might get to do it.
Agatha's mom saying Agatha was born evil and Rio defending her while both of them are dressed in teenager clothes from the 80s is giving queer trauma. We won't go there in this show, obviously, but the vibes were insane.
Thats exactly what i thought too
They would 100%go there in this show
Maybe the ‘evil’ the mother is talking about is lesbianism… it could mean many things.
@@itz_ty.71 I have no faith in Disney when it comes to LGBTQ content, I must say. What we already got in this show is WAY beyond that I thought Disney would allow.
@@Miss_All_Sundays Disney's one of those companies who sometimes goes all the way with the rep (see; Willow) and then somewhere in there realizes they did something genuinely good and backpedals (see; Willow getting canceled).
"Alice, Alice don't..." "...try to save Agatha!"
Oh boy, I haven't put that together until now
That ending was AMAZING but holy hell, Kathryn's acting? Like she literally gave me chills, that sarcastic smile and the "pet" were pure acting perfection. The entire cast is absolutely killing it (no pun intended) and their chemistry together is out of this world. Whoever did the casting did a hell of a good job.
Also, baby girl looks FIERCE and so badass in that "crown" 👑
Kathryn's really killing it 🔥, that smile at the end tho, chills
@@CoralAries-fc7jr ikr? Like I even had to rewind, it was so powerfull
Gave you chills?
Are they _multiplying?_
She is soooo amazing, seriously!
100% he's wiccan. he was able to say "nicholas scratch" without the sigil scratching over his mouth, so he's clearly not saying who HE is out loud. and then the blue powers, a new kind of headband for him, and then they zoom in on BILLY's face as a BILLIE song plays. it was perfection.
the sigil definitely broke when agatha did an evil smiled towards billy. cause that’s when she found out who he truly was and i heard someone say you could hear a noise in that scene. i definitely don’t think he’s possessed of being controlled either, i believe he put the sigil upon himself to get agatha and her coven to get him on the road and therefore his memories were unlocked when the sigil broke so he wasnt faking anything up until now but he’s been controlling the series all along
Also when Agatha says "Your mother" the music that plays is the end credits from Wandavision
I disagree, Agatha's mother also had a crown like that, I think they won't realize it's Billy yet
@@yigitkslaloglu756 Her crown was nothing like that. It was strands that went from the front of her head to the back, like Emma Frost’s psychic signature from Wolverine and the X-Men.
Billy’s crown is literally the same design as Wanda’s.
Evanora had a crown, Billy and Wanda wear wimples. Also, Evanora's crown was made from energy. @@yigitkslaloglu756
Lilia’s quotes from the past 2 eps
Try to save Agatha
Alice , Alice Don’t
= Alice, Alice Don’t try to save Agatha!
😮💜💜
They really put Billie Elish as an introduction for Wiccan and that had me LIVING 🫰🏻🫰🏻
I was like "Okey, Go off girl" Lol
Rio doesn't mind Agatha getting killed because it means she gets to "have" her (since she's Death). The mother "keeping" Agatha might mean she'll be stuck with her in some other plane of existence where Rio can't go, that's why she got so scared that she might lose Agatha forever.
Fun fact, Teen was in Billy's Halloween costume from Wandavision. He just didn't have the cloak, that was a major giveaway for me... But I was *still* gagged
Also, I was the same with the fox. I seen it and immediately said "I didn't know animals were down here?" 😂😂😂
Can we all collectively agree that even though Agatha’s been generally presented as campy and hammy and goofy fun, the moment at the end of the episode when she looks at Billy and whispers “Are you sure?” was *_genuinely frightening._*
So happy to see that they officially confirmed he was Wiccan like we all knew it was him but the way they went about it was awesome
I wonder if Billy was the one that killed Sharon. _He_ was the one that was with Sharon and the one to declare her dead. I originally thought that when Agatha said “I didn’t think you had it in you,” that she was talking to Rio. But she may have been referencing Billy. And when Billy asks who Agatha was talking about, Agatha simply stares at him and winked.
And this is why at the end, Agatha gave Billy those venomous words before stating he was just like his mother, by pretending to be so sweet and innocent when he’s aware that he’s done terrible things, only to deny them - such as killing Sharon, then denying it.
Lilia and Jen aren’t dead. Neither is Agatha. Purely because in the trailer, we see them in future trials. It’s more likely that Billy threw them out of the road and into Westview again. We see Jen clawing her way out of the ground into what appears to be Westview.
I think Billy may have placed the sigil on himself. But I also believe he’s under the influence of someone else. I don’t want to immediately state it’s Mephisto, but in the comics, Mephisto claimed the souls of Billy and Tommy and sent a middle-man to collect them for him. So maybe it’s indeed the influence of Mephisto?
I don’t think Agatha’s voluntarily tearing the magic out of Alice. It seemed like a kind of reflex, and she looked genuinely shocked and disturbed afterwards. I still believe her whole persona is an act, and that she plays into the villain role that others cast her in, rather than have to constantly explain herself to people that have already formulated an opinion of her via rumours.
And if the power drainage is indeed an involuntary one that results in the death of those around her, that may explain why Agatha drew the attention of Rio in the first place. And what sparked her attraction to Agatha.
Edit: Going quickly back to Mephisto claiming Billy and Tommy’s souls in the comics, what if _he_ is the one who placed Billy Maximoff’s soul in Billy Kaplan’s body? And is how Billy was able to be reincarnated? Baseless conjecture from my part, though.
And I also wonder if the one witch that survived the witches road with Agatha before was her _mother._ And yet, I half doubt Agatha walked the road before at all.
I wonder where Rio was when he threw everyone to the sucking mud thing.
@@jenny_lee_87Probably ferrying Alice’s soul to its afterlife.
oml plz no🥺 I don't want to know who offed her
The first paragraph: Yes. Because in the few seconds, you can see Agatha studying Sharon's corpse and she kind of squints like she notices something.
Theory: I don't think anyone's died. I think they're all still in the basement. Billy helped open the Road, he found the invitation, he found the record, he found the Ouija board...I think he's doing exactly what his mom did on a tighter scale.
Wanda seemed to create the Hex completely by accident, and not knowing what was going on, simply played along. She only began to actively defend the Hex the more she became lost in it and her make-belief life with Vision. And she had no idea that the people caught in the Hex were suffering.
Billy so far by contrast, seems to be _very_ aware of everything, down to how to access the Witches Road, the clues for the trials and having set the entire coven up and manipulated them to get what he wants.
YES! My daughter and I just went through this whole discussion as to just how much is real and how much is from Billy.
@@arc7375 Wanda might've started things by accident and not *initially* known, but she certainly knew what she was doing past a certain point (see; her emerging from the Hex to threaten Hayward and then deliberately expanding it to encompass his men).
Billy's certainly manipulated them, though he hasn't done much in terms of direct control (aside form Lilia and Jennifer at the end of the latest ep)
Ehhh it makes everything feel less than if that’s the case. Also Billy is an eager witch. Of course he finds all the instructions
Omg I'm so sad Alice died, you could tell Alice sympathized with Agatha and that's why she tried her best to protect her... while Alice's mom did everything she could to protect her daughter, Agatha's mom wished she ended her daughter's life... RIP queen Alice. ;w;
it was wanda’s theme playing during teens rebellion towards agatha and the others plus it was billie elish song - revelling it “BILLY MAXIMOFF”
My thoughts on Rio hating ghosts is since being Death having spirits that should be ferried by her not only existing in the world but trying to kills others maybe before their times gets under her skin
I watched the episode last night and have been counting he hours to see the reaction because it was CRAZY.
When the Ouija board spelled Mrs. Hart, I thought it spelled Mr Shart and was like Huh? Also Rio laughing when the board spelled Death, a clue that everyone else with the oh shit look but Rio, maybe knowing more. Aubrey's witch laugh is too perfect. Plus anyone else clock that they're going through the decades like WandaVision did. They're in the 80s clearly, last was the 70s. With 9 episodes in the season we should be ending in present day. If Wanda was dream walking into Teen's (Billy's) body I feel like the magic would be red then not his iconic blue. I think his head piece was just supposed to cement that he IS Wanda's son. I am also wondering if we are gonna get a reference to Speed (Tommy) at some point, though in the comics Billy doesn't know about Tommy until they meet.
The thing is, I think Agatha didn’t mean to intentionally steal Alice’s magic and life. She clearly expressed regretting doing that both when she realised what she did, and looking at her own hand with residuals of Alice’s power to herself after leaving the cabin.
Edit: When Alice blasted Agatha, I think Agatha was just in the moment to the point she couldn’t stop doing it.
Yeah, she was already freaking out over the idea of the coven leaving her with her mother, AND Evanora had just repossessed her: she wasn't anywhere CLOSE to being in her right mind.
Agatha did not mean to kill Alice that is for sure. She simply could not stop taking her power once she started , since it is very addictive ... Later she made it seem like she meant to do it so teen could blast her with magic , but she did not expect him mind controlling lilia and Jen to physically throw her off the road in the mud
True,lots of emotions at that moment to everyone in that room and it was a mess.
@@Stefan-oj6oz I get the sense Agatha has a lot of empathy and compassion for the people around her. But because of her reputation and actions, it’s difficult for her to form any sort of meaningful connection. My prediction for the ending is that by the time Agatha fully regains her magic and completes the Road, as well as defeating the Salem Seven and Rio (possibly). She learns that she no longer wants power, and that she wants to protect her coven. So I’m hoping by the end, that she has a self-reflecting moment and uses her magic to resurrect Alice, Mrs. Hart and possibly Jennifer and Lilia that will most likely die as well.
@@elusivo3347 Yeah same ! I feel like that will be the ending , and instead of being Wanda's mentor like in the comics , they will change it so she will become Billy's mentor instead
Rio says they could just slit her throat and it’s like, yeah, she’s right, they COULD, but would she actually do it? Meh. There’s a lot of stuff she says just to get a reaction. And she doesn’t seem to take physical pain very seriously, probably bc she’s a bit of a sadist but also because she knows she could just heal her or would stop things before it went too far. But Agatha’s *emotional* pain? That’s something Rio won’t stand for.
There’s so much crazy and weird stuff that happened in this episode I honestly don’t know what to think yet XD like was the trial even real?! And how long has Agatha known who Wiccan really is?? How are they all going to end up back together for Lilia’s trial, and what will the vibe between them be after all these betrayals? It’s gonna be a loooong week waiting for answers!
Wiccan's powers tied to his emotions is very much aligned to Wanda's journey
THAT ENDING! 👏🏽👑 The Salem 7 are creepy as hell! Feral hive minded coven hell bent on revenge…fun! “Mercy is overrated” 💁🏽♀️ Broom flying 🙌🏼 The longing glances 🖤 Adore Rio’s maniacal laughter at times of peril 😂 Summer camp sleepover chic? 💚 Ouija board hijinks. Ages 3 & up 💀 Punish Agatha? “Familiars don’t get a vote” was savage. Possessed Agatha! 🙌🏼 “Stop embarrassing me in front of my friends” 😂 “Her mother can’t have her” 🖤 The mommy issues on full display 😭 Nicholas Scratch breaking her out of her trance. Not Alice! 💔 I was really liking her. She’s got some power back now. That scene where Agatha figures out his identity 🔥”You’re just like your mother.” Not Teen throwing the coven in the sinking mud! Billie 🎶 The soundtrack is amazing! 🔥These cliffhangers are killing me! At least Rio made it out. So invested in this show. It keeps getting better every week! Enjoying the hell out of these reactions y’all 🫠
If agathas “ability/power” is to absorb magic uncontrollably against her will. That would make sense as to why her mom said she was born evil, anddddd maybe possibly when her son got his power he accidentally used it on her and …. Yeah
He’s Wiccan, it was spoiled on a funko pop. So yeah, and this scene confirms it ❤
A theory I have heard is that there is a slightly yellow filter during Lillia's premonition dream at the beginning, and the ending sequence also has a noticeable yellow tint. So that might have been a premonition, tied to Lillia warning Alice, "Alice! Alice, don't" "try to save Agatha".
The smirk Agatha had on her face when she saw the blue power coming from his fingers…I think she wanted him to blast her because his power is strong enough to restore hers but was shocked when he used the other two instead to “punish” her. He knows better than to hit her directly.
The for ages three and up is funny since Billy technically is 3 due to being born during the hex and this is 3 years later
I honestly don't think Agatha has control over her magical siphoning. I think it's all automatic when it gets to her and, it looks like when she's siphoning powers its very euphoric like a drug. But after it was done -- Agatha looked so shaken, even the audio description says Agatha was horrified. Ironically, I think the only time she could control her siphoning powers is when she had the Darkhold. Also, did you guys notice that the aspect ratio didn't change like it did with the other houses? And the exit went UP and not DOWN as all the trial exits?
I think something funky is going on and maybe the Salem Seven co-opted the trial. Because trials are supposed to both show fear the most and have the witch's use SKILL. There was no skill here.
I got a theory that has nothing to do with the episode. Wanna hear it anyway? Teen/Billy/Wiccan said he wanted to walk the rRoad for Power, because, you know, you walk the Road and survive and you get whatever you want. I think hes walking the Road to bring his mom back, and, hello, that's Wanda's reintroduction to the MCU after her confirmed death.
I was thinking more along the lines of Wanda saying she was going to keep an eye on Agatha and I wonder if this was how. And so now that Agatha is getting out of line, it activate a spell that Wanda casted.
I think this was a failed trial. Agatha was supposed to be tempted to steal power, but not take it, but she took it anyway. The others were supposed to save Agatha from her mother, but only Rio defended her. I think that’s why Teen threw them all in the earth. They have to do some punishment for failing the test.
I love your reactions! They are so expressive and fun how much y’all enjoy the show. I am loving this show so far.
That episode was FUN. But way too short. Ugh wished it was at least another 15 mins longer. NEED MORE!
I kinda feel bad for Agatha, even though she's an evil witch, her reaction after killing alice was genuine. For a few seconds she actually looked like she felt Remorse, regret. Then obviously after she noticed she got a spark of power, her evil cruel self showed back up lol
Honestly I don't believe anyone is actually born evil. That trauma from her mother shaped her for what she is now. NEED to know more about her and her mother's relationship.
Regarding the crown Wiccan has, it’s indeed just a headband in the comics. However, Wanda doesn’t have a crown in the comics either. It’s an “M” which originally referenced her as a member of Magneto’s evil brotherhood of mutants. It was modelled after his helmet. While she retains a streamlined “M” tiara, she’s never had a crown as shown in the MCU.
Both are just how the MCU has decided to adapt them. And I like it. They’re a lot more intricate. And while Wanda’s is a matte red and burgundy, Billy’s appears metallic, to reference his headband in the comics.
A powerless Agatha had no means to force her mom’s spirit to possess her or devise some sort of fake scenario like that. That was clearly part of the trial. I don’t believe Agatha took Alice’s power on purpose rather it was a reflex brought on by her mental state as well as possibly simply how her power drain thing works.
Happy "Agatha" Thursday morning with Sergio and Cody! 🔮✨️
Great reaction you two. 😊
This was another great episode. This is possibly one of my favorites so far. I had a feeling that was who the Teen was. Good to have confirmation on that. And I liked the use of Billie Elish for Wiccan's introduction.
Looking forward to your reaction for "Buffy" later this evening. 😊
This was definitely my favorite episode by far.
Our wiccan is hereeeeeeee
I was waiting for this reaction!!
And the crazy thing is Alice saved her cuz in way she related to that mother wound but at the same time she didn’t even get her powers it burnt out , so Alice death was just a yoke at Agathas character
No cause i really feel sorry for Alice. I have a feeling Agatha really didn't do it for powers but on the other hand she would. I again really feel sooooo sorry for Alice, i thought only Sharon would die and the rest survive, but........no
I heard a theory about how this entire episode might be a premonition by Lilia, and the person's reasoning was because of how everyone acted in this episode. The way they all treated each other during the trial was much like how they were treating each other at the beginning of the story, not like how they were literally last episode. So they believe that this entire episode is Lilia's dream, because if you're like me, you've had dreams where you "wake up" only to still be sleeping and to find out that you were sleeping the whole time.
So I have a theory. I think Agatha has some kind of curse or another personality. Something like Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. She didn't seem in control at all. She was surprised. I also don't think she traded her son for the Darkhold willingly. I think that curse/other personality takes control when she acquires power.
Her mother knew and that's why she said those things. Rio also looked like she knows why Agatha's mother said the seemingly awful things that she said.
And when Agatha approached Teen at the end, she looked different. Acted different. I get that she's not a good person. She doesn't care. She's selfish and all that, but it just seemed weird to me.
I see it
5:11 Pure. Gold!
I think this episode confirms this is also a backstory for Wiccan and how he becomes the all powerful. Descendant of his mother’s power
Omgggg this episode had me screaming at the end !!! Ahhhh great reaction yall 🙌🏼🙌🏼🖤 can’t wait for the next episode !!
I love Sasheer but she made it very clear where her priorities are in this ep. Liliana was a bit gentler but essentially took the same stance: we’re all here for power. I think that’s what set Teen off-he’s been wanting to be part of a coven this whole time, and he finally accepted it’s not happening with these witches.
Since the second episode Alice and Teen were seemingly building trust and a friendship.
At the end, Liliana and Jennifer just took agatha like the were robots or controled and i think somewhat Rio is the reason of it, because their eyes were green and Rio is the green witch and once wiccan pushes them into the mud, they seems to like regain consciousness. As for Agatha, i've theorize before that she may be cursed and that made her evil. But omg i'm so happy to see finally Wiccan 😆😆😁.
Their eyes glowed blue because that's the color of Wiccans's power. You can see him wielding it while he's controlling Jen and Lilia
This episode was only 32 Minutes but talk about a gut punch.
Poor Alice, I loved the character development and her bond with Teen
The reveal had been so leaked which was a huge shame, 1st the subtitle error
then the cereal firm and the mini models. Next week looks very problematic I wont post spoilers
but I think two of them are in deep trouble. :(
Remember they said Agatha can't control it
If you guys are okay with a shirt essay of a comment, I am happy to provide an absurdly in depth breakdown including things I've noticed breakdowns have missed. 😅🤷
* I noticed a lot of Buffy references from beyond where you've covered and don't want y'all spoiled by accident 🥺*
Everyone (in the world of the story) always talks about how Agatha stole powers from her coven, killed her mother, traded her baby for the Darkhold etc
But why did her mother and their coven decide to kill her? Evanora said "I should have killed you at birth" etc
Everyone "knows" who Agatha's mother is, and many say she stole the Darkhold from her.
Who is Agatha's dad?
should we say "Mephisto confirmed" yet?
Idk but sometimes when Parents / Mothers dissapointed in their kids they sometimes said that yk like "If you were'nt born, my life would be great", Imo saying that to their kids even though their kids did some bad, cruel, criminal, murder, etc. feel so harsh.
right
AGHHH i’m up at 3:33am in new zealand just waiting for you guys to post your reactions 😭🩷🩷
Guys this episode was Crazy!!!!😮 can’t wait to see this reaction!!
❤❤ two minutes in and Cody is getting hexed by Sergio I’m living 😂😂😂
4:20 Y’all can blame Patti😌😌 hg said she needed a peel I’d be shady too🩵
loved this reaction
Appreciate you checking it out! 😄
-Alice don’t save Agatha
~Lilia 💛
Y’all want Billy to be Wanda’s son so bad but his crown looks like Agatha’s mothers crown when they were trying to execute Agatha and Salem
If you remember, that’s the first crown we ever seen in WandaVision before Wanda becomes the Scarlet witch Agatha’s mothers blue Crown
oh well can't believe he's Agathas son I was in between on who's son he was
Pay attention to the color of the road before each trial. It foreshadows the next trial.
Could the witches have been told to attack Agatha in an attempt to get them to give her their powers? Earlier Agatha tried to provoke them to steal their powers. What if Death is trying to get Agatha’s powers back while collecting the bodies of the other witches? Agatha becomes the scapegoat
In episode two Lilia said try to protect Agatha. She was referring to this moment and they failed. They were supposed to protect Agatha from the spirit of her mother. That’s why the stairs open
But they failed
Wiccans crown in this episode looks like Agatha’s moms crown
I'm hoping this is actually Billy's Trial and it's all in his mind, since it doesnt make sense that he took those 3 out. That would be the end of the show. Maybe it's his trial of learning, and then controlling, the insane amount of power he has.
billy is pretty op in the comics he is more powerful than wanda
@@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250 He’s one of the most powerful beings in Marvel. But he’s certainly _not_ more powerful than Wanda. Much like how Speed/Tommy isn’t as fast as Quicksilver/Pietro.
marvel/disney hasnt had a true villian in a loNG time. agatha is the first in a long time.
She gives me very Ursula vibes. Especially with that “Are you sure/You’re so much like your mother” scene - made me think of “What I want from you is/Your voice.”
I think Nicholas Scratch’s soul is in Agatha’s bunny Mr. Scratchy.
I wish these episodes were a bit longer- it feels like there is so much more story to be told! RIP Alice :(
Guys they played BILLIE on the close up of teen…. It’s BILLY! The biggest hint and wink wink ever!!!
Honestly, my favourite reactors, I love how much you go with the show
I definitely gotta say I don’t blame the Salem Seven for going after Agatha. She killed their mothers and they were driven to insanity because of everything she did to them. Their clear goal is exacting justice for their mothers. I seriously love how they act as a hive mind and how twisted and warped they are, but also that they each are linked to a specific animal and they each act like said animal.
He also really bonded with Alice since the road so ya it hurt him
guuuurrrrrrlllll that billie eilish needle drop had me TWERKING!! This episode was amazing!! gahhhh!!!!!!! I need mooooooooooorrrrreeeee lol love yoouuu🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
My question is where tf was Rio while all this was happening in the end? Did I miss something? Anyway this was a great way to introduce who this character truly was the entire time. The fact that Agatha knew all along is hilarious.
It’s the Ohhhh and Shimmy for me….😂
he always does that 🤣 love Sergio
Omg I loved your reaction!!
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The question -- was anyone paying attention to WHERE IS RIO at the end of the episode - she did not come out with the rest of them and she did not get fed to the swamp.
I noticed she stayed behind. Likely to tend to Alice’s body and ferry her soul to its afterlife. That’s what I assumed, anyway.
Goes hand in hand why she hates ghosts - dead people that aren’t in their afterlife in death as they’re supposed to be.
@@arc7375 There seems to be a consensus to that. For some reason - in the back of my mind - I keep thinking we're about to get a reversal.
@@arc7375 You know I just had a crazy idea - that all of them dying was a part of that particular trial. So "DEATH" was something they each had to face. In Teens case, a type of death and rebirth (as Wiccan).
That music drop was tight. 🌈💛
Best show i love it sm❤
I love you guys. I need my sassy reactions.
WICCAN👑💙
I do feel like Agatha could have stooped it but it tasted to good and she fell back into her old ways but I don’t think she wanted to kill her completely intentionally if that makes sense
your guys reaction are the best hahahaha Wiccan arrives baby
At the end of the road maybe he’ll bring everyone back!
Why I feel like this been the shortest episode ever 😂
the way i clicked so fast
Agatha All Along?
More like _Wiccan All The While!_
There’s gotta be like 12 more shoes to drop after this episode. I do not think anything that happened was “real”. They failed to actually punish Agatha in the house so either that whole thing wasn’t the trial, or it was still going on outside the house. We know Lilia comes back for a bit of divination. Where was Rio? So many questions that make me think we are still missing A LOT about Teen.
GUYS, i want everyones opinions on how weird Aggie was at the end towards Billy/Teen. The way she went up to his ear and like grabbed his chin. Also how did she know (SPOILER) who’s billy’s mum is. Like how did she find out wanda was his mum. She must have god tier predictions.?????? We can agree Justice for Agatha right, because clearly her mum is a terrible being… like, instead of teaching Aggie how to control her power just tried killing her instead 💀
Somehow it took me a couple of watches to realize this, but I’m pretty sure Agatha is still possessed by the spirit of her mother at the end of the episode. That’s why she’s flip flopping from confusion and regret to evil and murderous. You can hear her mumbling “no, that wasn’t me” right before her demeanour suddenly changes again. That smile that suddenly came over her when she told Teen “you’re just like your mother” looked so strange because it wasn’t her in control of her own body at that moment.
If Scarlet Witch is working through Teen, maybe next episode will be a mother showdown!
the fits for this seasons is always everything 😍 and loosing Alice🥺 plz I want her to come back, once this is wrapped up please watch Outbreak (1995) about a monkey thats carrying a virus and infesting its a good movie.
Tips for the future: Never go full Maximoff
i wonder if the crowns on wanda and wiccan are a symbol of them being under the influence of mephesto or somethign.
In the comics, the “M” headdress Wanda wears is for “Magneto.” The headdress was modelled after Magneto’s helmet. Don’t forget she was originally introduced as part of Magneto’s Brotherhood of mutants.
Over the years, while the headdress has been redesigned as more sleek, it still retains the “M” shape. And the MCU crown is modelled after the comic redesign.
So in short, I think it’s not a reference to Mephisto, and all about making Wanda’s trademark costume piece in the comics something spectacular on-screen.
I think Agatha being "Evil" ( her mother's words ) was said because Evanora knew and hated her daughter was gay, which was confirmed to her when Agatha & Rio fell in Love back in the day.
Sadly, Rio was the one who had to sacrifice Nicholas by taking him to Hell / the Underworld, which turned Agatha and Rio's love for one another to hate.
Agatha's support of Teen aka Wiccan is because as a gay youth once she can fully relate to him is my guess..
Certainly could play into it. I interpreted that however as more the case that she viewed Billy as a surrogate son. She clearly shows deep grief and sorrow for losing her son, and Billy filled that void. Even Rio had to confirm that he wasn’t - which was a kindness, so Agatha wouldn’t be so distraught when it would be confirmed later.
I feel Agatha knew he wasn’t her son at all, but had a quiet and irrational hope that he could be.
Agatha power is spirit rio is death
I think Rio is death (literally) in the MCU
Is Wiccan possessed by mephisto or wanda cause he seems to be not in control when standing up to agatha also his hand movements are like Wanda's and I believe that rio knows more about him than the others cause she never talks to him I believe that Wiccan is not in his right mind
What if the other maximoff twin is part of the salem seven and Billy is trying to save him, mind you no coz agatha didn't kill Wanda
No, alice was my favorite 😢 hope she'll come back
Whose task was it though? Teen wanted power and he passed his trial. He suddenly had power and knowledge. He truly saw through Agatha for who she was.
it was agatha's it was centered around her
Yes. Agatha did just scream, "Billy, Help Me! HELP ME!" The subtitles hid Billy's name because the audience is still getting hit with the sigil. I'm saying Billy sigiled himself during the interrogation scene in episode 1. His powers in the comics border on editing the metatext of the comics themselves.
i heard it, but it think it was “Liliah” that she shouted.
Will you please react to "The Love Witch" 2016
I hate that these episodes are so short :(
While I do think Rio loves Agatha I think her defense of her against her mother was more of a "Only I get to kill her" and less of the traditional I need to protect her. Very murder wives. Which is why she so ready to slit her throat until she realized someone other than her might get to do it.
yea I can see the feelings slowly for agatha😍