I think the amp sounds very digital compared to the neural dsp ones. But I still use the precision drive pedal in front of the neural amps, and I use the effect section all the time for ambient stuff :)
This plugin kinda feels like a Swiss Army knife: 10 different tools but no one is particularly great at its job. Compared to some of Neural DSP’s plugins, especially the Archetype Nolly, it seems to fall short. I should also add that I don’t own the plugin, but judge from the demos and mixes I’ve heard from those who use it
I was looking for something like this a while ago, and wish I just went with a more expensive NeuralDSP plugin instead. Toneforge was too difficult to avoid, because of the price, but as you've said, it does a lot of things, but doesn't really do any of them too well. Nolly sounded soooo much better, and now that Petrucci is out, it's just too difficult to compare the two
can't remember if the first video I watched from your channel was the old Toneforge Misha video or the BIAS one (the 1st one) but you have come a looong way bro! awesome to keep seeing this channel grow!
By itself, yes. However, it may be useful as a “filling foam” on the mix, (really sounds like foam 😆), and the clean tones are ideal to me. Blending in the Fortin Nameless usually gives excellent results, but it gets too expensive and the Toneforge was supposed to be enough so... 🤷♂️
@@AscentToZenith not true. We made a mistake one time which goes against our standards and morals. We appreciate critical feedback and are taking actions to improve :)
@@joeymusic Well Its not like I want you guys to fail. I have no idea if this is physically possible. But take Toneforge and mix it with the quality of Neural DSP. That would be my feedback
Plug-in quality and sound aside; having to be signed up to a subscription service to unlock more of the plug-in you have already paid for is totally whack.
Honestly the entire JST site is pretty bad. I left some reviews on plugins i bought and they weren't 5 star reviews (toneforge menance and his IR packs, I felt they weren't that great honestly). Next thing I know I get an email from Joey himself talking about how his plugins don't deserve to be rated that low and he's THE joey sturgis and it was good enough for the bands and labels he worked it. I would understand if I was unprofessional in my review but I wasn't at all. I literally don't think there's a single review on any of his plugins less than 5 stars on his website because apparently he censors everything else. JST VIP is just a straight lie, or at least it was when I bought it. It claims you get all of this stuff but once you buy it you realize most of the "benefits" are additional stuff you have a purchase, a completely dead face book group, and links to his articles (which are already free). He also says you get a mix review but that never happened. In fairness to him he 100% refunded me for JST VIP after I pointed all this out to him but honestly his amps sims don't sound very good especially compared to what's out today, wasn't a fan of his IRs, and pretty much everything else he has is just a compressor.
@@RhythmofKracid Sadly your experience isn't an isolated incident. There are quite a few people that tend to get a bit of hassle from Joey if they something negative. I can't remember the TH-camrs name off the top of my head but there was a big drama around the Misha Toneforge when it came out and the guy basically said it sounded like poo and it exploded from there. For what it's worth - I got the Misha Toneforge when it was released and used it maybe twice. I spent hours trying to make it sound good and just couldn't. Now I tend to use Amplitube 4 along with the GGD Zilla cab pack and it sounds fantastic.
@@markuskerloch I believe you're talking about Stay Metal Ray, all the Joey Stugis fanboys came out of the wood work saying that the mix in the demo sucked and the guy didn't know what he was doing and it even resulted in the video having a copywrite strike put on it. I have a couple of JST plugins, some of which were given out through the URM Beginners Guide to Recording Rock and Metal (with that course they give you Toneforge Menace, a stripped down version of Drumforge, and Gain Reduction Deluxe), and honestly I only ever use Gain Reduction. Menace (even when run though Neural's IRs for NTS Suite) sounds and feels pretty sub standard in today's market with the likes of Neural, STL, and Mercurial (Their free Metal Zone emulation actually sounds quite convincing running through an IR Loader) just doesn't stack up. Drumforge's work flow doesn't really jive with me but I could see how someone used to the Kontakt workflow could use it but the samples are pretty good for just demoing tracks or adding some spice to a live drum performance. Gain Reduction is quite good for unclean vocals and just rock vocals in general because it's super aggressive and levels your vocals out well, the lo fi switch is also handy of you don't feel like making your own telephone/lofi vocal chain. Overall though the JST stuff always kinda just seems overhyped and like those Waves Signature Multi Effect plugins but for Scene Kids. I don't deny Joey's talent as a producer but I feel like the JST/Drumforge plugins are like Harbour Freight tools, they'll get you through basic maintenance and small jobs, but when you save up and get some more high quality tools you won't go back. The sketchy stuff with censoring reviews brought me back to the time Mesa was paying youtubers to make good reviews of the Cab Clone and it just feels gross supporting JST
This plug-in has a lot of highs and a lot of of lows. I feel like this vid really glazed over the lows (the actual sonic qualities of the stock IRs being the primary one that comes to mind), but did a good job of highlighting the highs.
My 2 cents You made it sound usable in the mix so I think that is the most important part. A lot of tones don't sound great by themselves but in a mix it ends up working with a huge drum and bass track holding it down. Good job!
I'd say that's the point of Toneforge amp sims that people miss, everything is geared towards being mix ready and not necessarily "pretty" on their own. Meanwhile what they usually like jamming and practicing with isn't ready for a mix.
I tried it when it came out. Absolutely hated it. I try once in a while to use it but I just can't get it to sound even decent. Gonna try copying you and maybe use it for doubling or something haha :D
I agree with you! It's still a very useful plugin. However It lucks so many effects to my taste as a creative tool. Therefore, I still use Overloud TH-U which has a lot of different high quality amp sims as well as effects like phaser, flanger, octaver, pitch shifter, ecc. which many nowdays plugins don't have.
I stumbled across Nalex last Dec. They have several free amp sim VST's covering a variety of different amps and they all sound pretty good and seem to be fairly accurate to the original amps that they are inspired by.
In Dec I did a blind test with a bunch of amp VST's going for a modern metal tone, a Petrucci Mesa tone, a 5150 tone, etc... and was truly surprised by the results; a few of the best tones were the free VST's but I would say the tones that were capable of shattering both space and time were always the paid VST's. However, in one test the Nalex Gerbert VST scored a 9/10 for a tone similar to the one in the song The Olive Tree by Scale the Summit. Now if I could just play more than a few notes in a row without flubbing I would have something! (tone is in the hands, I am finding out that this is way more true than I would have ever believed) Keep up the great work, you have a great channel and have a very good ability to explain things quickly and clearly and I think you have a high degree of credibility as well with guitar playing skills are clearly pro level.
I can't help thinking that I might have sparked you to do this video (based on a comment I made last week asking what you still thought of TFMM and how it compares to stuff from Neural or STL ToneHub, etc...) In any case, I am really glad that you did this because often when I am just playing and I often pick TFMM to jam with. The other VST that almost always gets my attention is the Archetype Plini, that plugin is awesome. This may not be a tone that works for all modern songs but for the ones that it does work for it sounds great - for example it can be set to sound virtually identical to the guitar in Misha's song "Breeze" and that song is a ton of fun to play! Thanks again for revisiting this slightly older plugin. As usual, your content was great and your playing is always very inspiring. Your videos have truly helped me get a much better tone out of my gear.
Hey man, big fan of your content, i recently bought this plugin and am really happy with it. What IRs did you like the most on combination with this plugin? Did you tried the ggd zilla cabs in it? I might add an ir to the list or just get the fortin cali and have the use of both. Grettings from México.
I've loved everything you've done, and while I still liked this video, I absolutely hate this plugin, sorry. Never liked it then, still hate it now. One of the biggest scam in the plugin world in my opinion, and I fell for it, while I should have gone with the Fortin Nameless. The Nameless was released at the same time, and still absolutely rips today, even with stock IRs.
Exactly how I feel man. You know it's bad when free amp sims (ie: LePou Lecto) + free cabinet IRs (ie: Catharsis s-preshigh) + free ODs (ie: TSE 808) sounds 100x better. I think the JST Toneforge Ben Bruce was alrightish (not worth buying tbh), but every other amp sim they've put out has been garbage. It's stupid how they even locked Misha's presets behind a pre-order paywall with this. Though I will say that I'm not a huge fan of the Neural stuff other than Plini/Nolly, the amp-based ones (ie: Nameless, NTS, Omega) feel a bit too raw for my tastes. Some people want a true raw "amp in a box" experience, but I personally prefer a bit more polished sound for my plugins as that's less tweaking and post-processing to deal with.
@@Ghost17110 thanks for your point of view. Looking at picking the guitar up again lately and Neural looks great. You mentioned more polished, what sims do you prefer?
It doesn't sound "bad" per se, but it had the MASSIVE MISFORTUNE of launching very close to the first of the Neural DSP stuff. There's absolutely no competition imo
Can you share your IR that you use to demo all neural dsp plugins ? You said something about zilla + something + something... I use Zilla irs from ownhammer and they are really good. But i just wondering if that ir you use is better. Thanks.
Thank god for this video!! It definitely helped me get a better tone! But What's the best mic to use on the JST 4x12? I seem to be having this issue where I find a decent tone but it sounds different after recording it.
This plugin has some lovely effects, and I certainly enjoy the modeled Precision Drive for chasing Misha tone, but the amp is hot, fizzy trash. Even with the presets supposedly put together by Misha himself, it's *bad.*
ChessmasterHex It's really hard to position presets as an added bonus when they're totally standard the majority of competing products To me, it always came across as manipulative
I still feel that out of the JST plugins, the Ben Bruce plugin gives the tightest most basic metal tone that makes anything sound half decent at least.
Do this to the Jason Richardson plugin bro! I dont know why i am drawn to it....i just kniw there are way easier plugins for a tone but i am still drawn to using it.
Man good content, I have a question as I see you're using Steinberg interface ,my interface takes arroung - 30 dB ( -16 dB on hi z ) even when gain knob all the way off . Is that normal ? Or I have a defected item man ?
It got a huge update a few weeks ago. It now contains Dual cab sim (with mic positions) and a digital EQ. But i still can´t get it to sound good. Im a noob or this plugin sucks , or both. Damn.
Advanced and Standard were merged into Ultimate mode and given to all customers. If you purchase today you get ultimate version which includes the back of the amp.
After owning it since release, I STILL regret it. Please don’t get this plugin. It’s okay with GGD zilla cabs but it’s still so much work. The effects and precision pedal are great but the amps suck. Really great potential but it’s just whack
i try everithing with this, just the precision drive works fine, the rest its just a bunch of options that sound nothing near to acceptable, in comparison with other plugins, considering fluff or ninja are free.
I heard the demo of the Andy James plugin the other day that Andy did and it sounded very good... I'm always suss on those ripping demos though because the best plugin in the world won't fix a shitty DI tone.
I tried both Andy James and Will Putney and I liked Will Putney better. I could dial tones close to Archetype Nolly with it. But the Neural DSP stuff is just top tier and pretty much on top of the mountain.
I already no it’s going to suck before the video starts because I tried it when it came out. I went back to the free plug ins lol It was a time before neural
He did a P3 tone video using the Fortin Nameless and it was spot on so if you want a misha tone, watch it. I tried the Cali personally and it's incredible, highly recommend it
Cali is incredible and the built in cabs are as well. I ended up buying it even tho I already had the omega because they sound different enough to still be usable. The only knock I have on Cali is the lack of effects pedals considering the clean channel. I feel like they should've tossed a delay and a verb in at the very least, but you can compensate with external vsts.
Hi! I have a dilemma, should I get a processor (helix or hx stomp) or should I get an audio interface? Or maybe I should do both? I don’t have a powerful pc btw. I want to hear your guys’ opinions
Ive always used amp sims (started on bias and now im using neural dsp products) and its just pretty convenient. Bias was shit lmao but neural dsp products are insane for the price. For less than 200 you can really get some ridiculous tones.
djent is totally a genre that sounds good. Because I’m recording music and sometimes gig, so I though that it would be great to have a processor and use it both ways
It doesn't sound "bad" per se, but it had the MASSIVE MISFORTUNE of launching very close to the first of the Neural DSP stuff. There's absolutely no competition imo EDIT: Wow nevermind, the actually amp sim itself sounds way worse than I remember haahahahha
Man, i wish i knew what good tone really sounded like by the time i got this plugin at presale and even got the advanced version. Huge pain in the butt to dial, just garbage overall in terms of amp modelling.
Now to think of it, I tried others and still have them and they were also terrible. Thank you for the reminder, I will uninstall them now since I didnt even remember I had them haha.
I've been watching all of your amp sim videos and you basically say that everything is "good", "killer", "awesome". That really doesn't help me. I scroll down to your comments to get some real views and a lotttt of people are saying that this thing doesn't sound that good and newer amp sims sound better. Can we get some comparisons with other amp sims? Can you point out criticisms a little more, or give us some cons? When you say everything is good you're basically saying nothing is. That isn't helpful to me as a player, and it hurts your credibility as a content creator because you'll be known as the person who says everything is good. What amp sim do you personally use for your music and why? Why choose that oe over others? Recommend that! That helps the people who are subscribing and building your channel, your audience, the people who actually matter. Otherwise your videos will sound like ads, like how this one sounds like. Help us make good buying decisions by recommending stuff that's good! A demo/review is useless without comparisons to competitor products.
I make videos on things that I try out. Most of the time I’m happy with how I can get them to sound which is why I make a video on it. This isn’t an ad. Neither is anything else on my channel, otherwise I would be much less monotone than I am in my videos. With that in mind, I’m not getting paid, nor am I obliged to say that this piece of freeware is good. If people don’t think it sounds good, that’s fine. My credibility as a content creator has nothing to do with my opinion on a product, it’s on my ability to showcase its features and share my experiences so people can trial it themselves and make their own informed judgements based on their style, playing and workflow. A demo or review is simply that, a demo or a review of the product being showcased. There isn’t a checklist that says that I need to compare it with other products. It wouldn’t be fair to put this video up against anything else I have demo-ed either, as this is completely free whereas others aren’t. I say everything is good because in my experience it was good, and I was able to get a sound that I was happy with out of it. If I wasn’t happy with it, I wouldn’t spend my time writing a riff with it, recording it, mixing it and then waste my time criticising it. There is no ‘one plugin to rule then all’, just like there is not one guitar, one pedal, or one amp to rule them all. Everything is just a tool, and if I’m happy with what I can do with it, I’ll make a video on it.
You have to like Misha's tone as Bulb, not Periphery, to appreciate this plugin. If you don't like what he considers a Djenty rhythm tone (very middy, very open high mid range), you won't like this amp sim. Its that simple. It has nothing to do with Neural DSP vs JST.
I was going to preorder the sim but I was mad because they had two versions of this product and JST wanted to make us pay more to unlock some presets. The marketing for this product was awful. I'm sorry, I really love JST products but I didn't like this sim.
Agreed, the built in IR's were awful and you'd have to fiddle forever to get something useable. Misha himself doesn't actually use it which should tell you enough imo. The precision drive is nice tho, ill give them that.
I get better tones with Pod Farm and custom IR than this plugin. Got it 50% off on a sale then and I still have buyers remorse....STL Tonehub and Fortin Nameless is the real deal. Not this buzzy, no-dynamic plugin.
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pleeeasee do a mixing tutorial!!!
That intro music is 💥🔥
I think the amp sounds very digital compared to the neural dsp ones. But I still use the precision drive pedal in front of the neural amps, and I use the effect section all the time for ambient stuff :)
This plugin kinda feels like a Swiss Army knife: 10 different tools but no one is particularly great at its job. Compared to some of Neural DSP’s plugins, especially the Archetype Nolly, it seems to fall short.
I should also add that I don’t own the plugin, but judge from the demos and mixes I’ve heard from those who use it
I was looking for something like this a while ago, and wish I just went with a more expensive NeuralDSP plugin instead. Toneforge was too difficult to avoid, because of the price, but as you've said, it does a lot of things, but doesn't really do any of them too well.
Nolly sounded soooo much better, and now that Petrucci is out, it's just too difficult to compare the two
I use Toneforge with NadIR where I mix two of ML cabs and it sounds great. Thanks for this video btw, I didnt know it has that joey´s magic thing :)
Ah I absolutely had no idea that the signal path text is clickable! It's like finding a hidden room in Resident Evil!
can't remember if the first video I watched from your channel was the old Toneforge Misha video or the BIAS one (the 1st one) but you have come a looong way bro! awesome to keep seeing this channel grow!
I always thought it sounded awful
Emil Andersen I have to agree
By itself, yes. However, it may be useful as a “filling foam” on the mix, (really sounds like foam 😆), and the clean tones are ideal to me.
Blending in the Fortin Nameless usually gives excellent results, but it gets too expensive and the Toneforge was supposed to be enough so... 🤷♂️
All of toneforge is straight up garbage. And ole boy Joey will try to take down your videos if you're honest about it.
@@AscentToZenith not true. We made a mistake one time which goes against our standards and morals. We appreciate critical feedback and are taking actions to improve :)
@@joeymusic Well Its not like I want you guys to fail. I have no idea if this is physically possible. But take Toneforge and mix it with the quality of Neural DSP. That would be my feedback
Plug-in quality and sound aside; having to be signed up to a subscription service to unlock more of the plug-in you have already paid for is totally whack.
Honestly the entire JST site is pretty bad. I left some reviews on plugins i bought and they weren't 5 star reviews (toneforge menance and his IR packs, I felt they weren't that great honestly). Next thing I know I get an email from Joey himself talking about how his plugins don't deserve to be rated that low and he's THE joey sturgis and it was good enough for the bands and labels he worked it. I would understand if I was unprofessional in my review but I wasn't at all. I literally don't think there's a single review on any of his plugins less than 5 stars on his website because apparently he censors everything else.
JST VIP is just a straight lie, or at least it was when I bought it. It claims you get all of this stuff but once you buy it you realize most of the "benefits" are additional stuff you have a purchase, a completely dead face book group, and links to his articles (which are already free). He also says you get a mix review but that never happened. In fairness to him he 100% refunded me for JST VIP after I pointed all this out to him but honestly his amps sims don't sound very good especially compared to what's out today, wasn't a fan of his IRs, and pretty much everything else he has is just a compressor.
@@RhythmofKracid Sadly your experience isn't an isolated incident. There are quite a few people that tend to get a bit of hassle from Joey if they something negative.
I can't remember the TH-camrs name off the top of my head but there was a big drama around the Misha Toneforge when it came out and the guy basically said it sounded like poo and it exploded from there.
For what it's worth - I got the Misha Toneforge when it was released and used it maybe twice. I spent hours trying to make it sound good and just couldn't.
Now I tend to use Amplitube 4 along with the GGD Zilla cab pack and it sounds fantastic.
Kris Warrington
Sounds similar to YandereDev’s case to me.
@@markuskerloch I believe you're talking about Stay Metal Ray, all the Joey Stugis fanboys came out of the wood work saying that the mix in the demo sucked and the guy didn't know what he was doing and it even resulted in the video having a copywrite strike put on it. I have a couple of JST plugins, some of which were given out through the URM Beginners Guide to Recording Rock and Metal (with that course they give you Toneforge Menace, a stripped down version of Drumforge, and Gain Reduction Deluxe), and honestly I only ever use Gain Reduction.
Menace (even when run though Neural's IRs for NTS Suite) sounds and feels pretty sub standard in today's market with the likes of Neural, STL, and Mercurial (Their free Metal Zone emulation actually sounds quite convincing running through an IR Loader) just doesn't stack up. Drumforge's work flow doesn't really jive with me but I could see how someone used to the Kontakt workflow could use it but the samples are pretty good for just demoing tracks or adding some spice to a live drum performance. Gain Reduction is quite good for unclean vocals and just rock vocals in general because it's super aggressive and levels your vocals out well, the lo fi switch is also handy of you don't feel like making your own telephone/lofi vocal chain. Overall though the JST stuff always kinda just seems overhyped and like those Waves Signature Multi Effect plugins but for Scene Kids.
I don't deny Joey's talent as a producer but I feel like the JST/Drumforge plugins are like Harbour Freight tools, they'll get you through basic maintenance and small jobs, but when you save up and get some more high quality tools you won't go back. The sketchy stuff with censoring reviews brought me back to the time Mesa was paying youtubers to make good reviews of the Cab Clone and it just feels gross supporting JST
@@RhythmofKracid with the VIP jst they gave to you the presets made by Misha ?
This plug-in has a lot of highs and a lot of of lows. I feel like this vid really glazed over the lows (the actual sonic qualities of the stock IRs being the primary one that comes to mind), but did a good job of highlighting the highs.
My 2 cents
You made it sound usable in the mix so I think that is the most important part.
A lot of tones don't sound great by themselves but in a mix it ends up working with a huge drum and bass track holding it down.
Good job!
I'd say that's the point of Toneforge amp sims that people miss, everything is geared towards being mix ready and not necessarily "pretty" on their own. Meanwhile what they usually like jamming and practicing with isn't ready for a mix.
used to use this, switched to STL Will Putney and never looked back! VH4 emulation on that is just so good.
Liked, subscribed and waiting for more!!!
Great job buddy, greetings from Barcelona 👍🎼
WE NEED A FL STUDIO MIX TUTORIAL 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Did you guys use this? Are you still using it now? Are you gonna use it after watching this? Let me know below.
I tried it when it came out. Absolutely hated it. I try once in a while to use it but I just can't get it to sound even decent.
Gonna try copying you and maybe use it for doubling or something haha :D
@@apanapandottir205 I still use it for leads and ambient cleans. I feel like the plugin cuts really well through a mix.
I did when it came out, after that I only use TH-U
definitely
@@Mindorbitofficial I think it has alot to do with that I'm kinda new to mixing. Gonna try it some more in the future!
This plugin still slaps you just gotta know wtf you’re doing. The back of amp settings change everything.
I'd like to see them make a 2.0 version
It sounds slick, but that digital fuzz that was ever prominent in that era still seems to be there.
I use this plugin for cleans a lot but I love the heavy tone I can get from it
I agree with you! It's still a very useful plugin. However It lucks so many effects to my taste as a creative tool. Therefore, I still use Overloud TH-U which has a lot of different high quality amp sims as well as effects like phaser, flanger, octaver, pitch shifter, ecc. which many nowdays plugins don't have.
Hey man, try NaLex Ninja, it's a free amp vst
I just did. Holy shit. I need to make a video on it.
@@KeyanHoushmandLive Nice!
I stumbled across Nalex last Dec. They have several free amp sim VST's covering a variety of different amps and they all sound pretty good and seem to be fairly accurate to the original amps that they are inspired by.
In Dec I did a blind test with a bunch of amp VST's going for a modern metal tone, a Petrucci Mesa tone, a 5150 tone, etc... and was truly surprised by the results; a few of the best tones were the free VST's but I would say the tones that were capable of shattering both space and time were always the paid VST's. However, in one test the Nalex Gerbert VST scored a 9/10 for a tone similar to the one in the song The Olive Tree by Scale the Summit. Now if I could just play more than a few notes in a row without flubbing I would have something! (tone is in the hands, I am finding out that this is way more true than I would have ever believed)
Keep up the great work, you have a great channel and have a very good ability to explain things quickly and clearly and I think you have a high degree of credibility as well with guitar playing skills are clearly pro level.
That is a fucking beast. Crunchman too.
I can't help thinking that I might have sparked you to do this video (based on a comment I made last week asking what you still thought of TFMM and how it compares to stuff from Neural or STL ToneHub, etc...) In any case, I am really glad that you did this because often when I am just playing and I often pick TFMM to jam with. The other VST that almost always gets my attention is the Archetype Plini, that plugin is awesome.
This may not be a tone that works for all modern songs but for the ones that it does work for it sounds great - for example it can be set to sound virtually identical to the guitar in Misha's song "Breeze" and that song is a ton of fun to play!
Thanks again for revisiting this slightly older plugin. As usual, your content was great and your playing is always very inspiring. Your videos have truly helped me get a much better tone out of my gear.
Hey man, big fan of your content, i recently bought this plugin and am really happy with it. What IRs did you like the most on combination with this plugin? Did you tried the ggd zilla cabs in it? I might add an ir to the list or just get the fortin cali and have the use of both.
Grettings from México.
I've loved everything you've done, and while I still liked this video, I absolutely hate this plugin, sorry. Never liked it then, still hate it now. One of the biggest scam in the plugin world in my opinion, and I fell for it, while I should have gone with the Fortin Nameless. The Nameless was released at the same time, and still absolutely rips today, even with stock IRs.
Exactly how I feel man.
You know it's bad when free amp sims (ie: LePou Lecto) + free cabinet IRs (ie: Catharsis s-preshigh) + free ODs (ie: TSE 808) sounds 100x better.
I think the JST Toneforge Ben Bruce was alrightish (not worth buying tbh), but every other amp sim they've put out has been garbage. It's stupid how they even locked Misha's presets behind a pre-order paywall with this.
Though I will say that I'm not a huge fan of the Neural stuff other than Plini/Nolly, the amp-based ones (ie: Nameless, NTS, Omega) feel a bit too raw for my tastes. Some people want a true raw "amp in a box" experience, but I personally prefer a bit more polished sound for my plugins as that's less tweaking and post-processing to deal with.
@@Ghost17110 thanks for your point of view. Looking at picking the guitar up again lately and Neural looks great. You mentioned more polished, what sims do you prefer?
Same here man this plugins sounds very thin too me. Even the menace and jason richardson. Jst messed up here i guess
@@motoconvo6995 Nolly is the most versatile NDSP plugin. I'd recommend starting with that one.
It doesn't sound "bad" per se, but it had the MASSIVE MISFORTUNE of launching very close to the first of the Neural DSP stuff. There's absolutely no competition imo
Can you share your IR that you use to demo all neural dsp plugins ? You said something about zilla + something + something...
I use Zilla irs from ownhammer and they are really good. But i just wondering if that ir you use is better. Thanks.
Thank god for this video!! It definitely helped me get a better tone! But What's the best mic to use on the JST 4x12? I seem to be having this issue where I find a decent tone but it sounds different after recording it.
Joey's stuff all sounds really good with a condenser I find.. in general I like tones with an s7 and a condenser mixed
This plugin has some lovely effects, and I certainly enjoy the modeled Precision Drive for chasing Misha tone, but the amp is hot, fizzy trash. Even with the presets supposedly put together by Misha himself, it's *bad.*
The presets don't even come with it unless you pre ordered it back in the day, what a terrible business decision.
ChessmasterHex It's really hard to position presets as an added bonus when they're totally standard the majority of competing products
To me, it always came across as manipulative
I honestly love this plugin. It's super easy to work within the mix.
I still feel that out of the JST plugins, the Ben Bruce plugin gives the tightest most basic metal tone that makes anything sound half decent at least.
I think the guilty pleasure one is extremely good
Do this to the Jason Richardson plugin bro! I dont know why i am drawn to it....i just kniw there are way easier plugins for a tone but i am still drawn to using it.
Awesome. Thanks. Definitely want to check this out. First goal is to figure out the Focusrite version of ProTools this weekend.
Man good content, I have a question as I see you're using Steinberg interface ,my interface takes arroung - 30 dB ( -16 dB on hi z ) even when gain knob all the way off . Is that normal ? Or I have a defected item man ?
I am using this plugin
Send your music to Sam Carter and get an album done, pls.
It got a huge update a few weeks ago.
It now contains Dual cab sim (with mic positions) and a digital EQ.
But i still can´t get it to sound good.
Im a noob or this plugin sucks , or both. Damn.
Advanced and Standard were merged into Ultimate mode and given to all customers. If you purchase today you get ultimate version which includes the back of the amp.
After owning it since release, I STILL regret it. Please don’t get this plugin. It’s okay with GGD zilla cabs but it’s still so much work. The effects and precision pedal are great but the amps suck. Really great potential but it’s just whack
Same here buddy.
What about using the just precision from TFMM in front of a Neural Amp? Is it possible to bypass the amp as well as the cab?
@@altizeraudio yes! It works but it's not as great as actually using the pedal of course
Would you mind to make video how do you achieve that ambient guitar tone which we hear in background?
I just keep finding you dude between here and the djent shitposting page on Facebook 😂
CC: Keon Hushman and Misha Mensa.
Love your stuff
Could you share your presets?
Sounds way better changing the i.r... might be cheating but ill let it slide. Its kind of a hissy amp sim imo
i try everithing with this, just the precision drive works fine, the rest its just a bunch of options that sound nothing near to acceptable, in comparison with other plugins, considering fluff or ninja are free.
Have you ever tried plugins like STL tones Andy James tonality plugins? If so what do you think?
I heard the demo of the Andy James plugin the other day that Andy did and it sounded very good... I'm always suss on those ripping demos though because the best plugin in the world won't fix a shitty DI tone.
The STL will putney plug in is a monster I bought it last year and definitely don't regret it.
I tried both Andy James and Will Putney and I liked Will Putney better. I could dial tones close to Archetype Nolly with it. But the Neural DSP stuff is just top tier and pretty much on top of the mountain.
where are the guitar cable??
Damn Good!
I hope your making money off this stuff or your music dude your an amazing producer mixer and player.
Imagine having to pay to subscribed to something, in order to be eligible to pay for the advanced version...
I already no it’s going to suck before the video starts because I tried it when it came out. I went back to the free plug ins lol
It was a time before neural
Sounds like a line6 ampsim from 2005.
So hard on that Misha Dent train. This plugin never seemed great when it came out.
Do you think Fortin Cali is the best plungin so far ? and Do you think Fortin will do Misha Archetype style amp ?
He did a P3 tone video using the Fortin Nameless and it was spot on so if you want a misha tone, watch it. I tried the Cali personally and it's incredible, highly recommend it
Cali seems to be the new hotness. If I wasn’t getting an axe fx I would have bought Cali fucking yesterday
Cali is incredible and the built in cabs are as well. I ended up buying it even tho I already had the omega because they sound different enough to still be usable.
The only knock I have on Cali is the lack of effects pedals considering the clean channel. I feel like they should've tossed a delay and a verb in at the very least, but you can compensate with external vsts.
hey bro by the way where are u from.?
Hi! I have a dilemma, should I get a processor (helix or hx stomp) or should I get an audio interface? Or maybe I should do both? I don’t have a powerful pc btw. I want to hear your guys’ opinions
Ive always used amp sims (started on bias and now im using neural dsp products) and its just pretty convenient.
Bias was shit lmao but neural dsp products are insane for the price. For less than 200 you can really get some ridiculous tones.
Hmm i think axefx3 has inputs and can double up as an interface but idk if helix has one but if you plan on recording id just get an interface.
djent is totally a genre that sounds good. Because I’m recording music and sometimes gig, so I though that it would be great to have a processor and use it both ways
Usage only at home? Get a decent audio interface (Focusrite for example) and decents plugins (I recommend Neural DSP stuff) - cheaper and better ;-)
Interface, in my opinion
It doesn't sound "bad" per se, but it had the MASSIVE MISFORTUNE of launching very close to the first of the Neural DSP stuff. There's absolutely no competition imo
EDIT: Wow nevermind, the actually amp sim itself sounds way worse than I remember haahahahha
Man, i wish i knew what good tone really sounded like by the time i got this plugin at presale and even got the advanced version. Huge pain in the butt to dial, just garbage overall in terms of amp modelling.
For me it always sounded like crap and I am being gentle on this.
Now to think of it, I tried others and still have them and they were also terrible. Thank you for the reminder, I will uninstall them now since I didnt even remember I had them haha.
I've been watching all of your amp sim videos and you basically say that everything is "good", "killer", "awesome". That really doesn't help me. I scroll down to your comments to get some real views and a lotttt of people are saying that this thing doesn't sound that good and newer amp sims sound better. Can we get some comparisons with other amp sims? Can you point out criticisms a little more, or give us some cons? When you say everything is good you're basically saying nothing is. That isn't helpful to me as a player, and it hurts your credibility as a content creator because you'll be known as the person who says everything is good. What amp sim do you personally use for your music and why? Why choose that oe over others? Recommend that! That helps the people who are subscribing and building your channel, your audience, the people who actually matter. Otherwise your videos will sound like ads, like how this one sounds like. Help us make good buying decisions by recommending stuff that's good! A demo/review is useless without comparisons to competitor products.
I make videos on things that I try out. Most of the time I’m happy with how I can get them to sound which is why I make a video on it. This isn’t an ad. Neither is anything else on my channel, otherwise I would be much less monotone than I am in my videos. With that in mind, I’m not getting paid, nor am I obliged to say that this piece of freeware is good. If people don’t think it sounds good, that’s fine. My credibility as a content creator has nothing to do with my opinion on a product, it’s on my ability to showcase its features and share my experiences so people can trial it themselves and make their own informed judgements based on their style, playing and workflow. A demo or review is simply that, a demo or a review of the product being showcased. There isn’t a checklist that says that I need to compare it with other products. It wouldn’t be fair to put this video up against anything else I have demo-ed either, as this is completely free whereas others aren’t. I say everything is good because in my experience it was good, and I was able to get a sound that I was happy with out of it. If I wasn’t happy with it, I wouldn’t spend my time writing a riff with it, recording it, mixing it and then waste my time criticising it. There is no ‘one plugin to rule then all’, just like there is not one guitar, one pedal, or one amp to rule them all. Everything is just a tool, and if I’m happy with what I can do with it, I’ll make a video on it.
You have to like Misha's tone as Bulb, not Periphery, to appreciate this plugin. If you don't like what he considers a Djenty rhythm tone (very middy, very open high mid range), you won't like this amp sim. Its that simple. It has nothing to do with Neural DSP vs JST.
I was going to preorder the sim but I was mad because they had two versions of this product and JST wanted to make us pay more to unlock some presets. The marketing for this product was awful. I'm sorry, I really love JST products but I didn't like this sim.
When you are guitar nerd Misha Mansoor and your bass player makes a better guitar plugin than you do
Not really a fan of JST as a company to be honest. This is just another nail in the coffin for me...
I hate it. Cant get a decent tone no matter what I do
"Still good"? Was is good at release? I don't think so as there are so many better competitors out there...
Agreed, the built in IR's were awful and you'd have to fiddle forever to get something useable. Misha himself doesn't actually use it which should tell you enough imo. The precision drive is nice tho, ill give them that.
Agreed
I get better tones with Pod Farm and custom IR than this plugin. Got it 50% off on a sale then and I still have buyers remorse....STL Tonehub and Fortin Nameless is the real deal. Not this buzzy, no-dynamic plugin.
I don't use or like amp sims I got this as I was curious what a mistake this thing is Awful waste of money time and effort
Definitely a scam, neural DSP is much better