I support Steven on Patreon and I encourage all of you to do the same. Steven is an excellent role model for all of us. He is working diligently for the betterment of the human race through nature. I have never met him in person, and I live thousands of miles away, and I don’t have a lot of spending money. However, I know something special when I see it. I’ve seen a few other bachelor men in life that focus all their energy toward community rather than family. These people are absolutely priceless to society and we need to show them the support of a broader societal family in return. Thanks goes to Steven for all that you do. Go man go!
You could also create a brand of sparkling red cider to make it popular. Put it in fancy bottles, give it a fancy name. Add a seed to plant in a little paper envelope to go with it. In Germany, for instance, it used to be traditional to plant a fruit or nut tree when you get married or have a baby. Make it a tradition here, too.
I like the seed idea. One idea i have is for a kit for schools that is an educational package, with some high grade apple seeds that tend to throw good offspring. Once the project was started, say for 5th grade, then eventually each class would start a tree and be seeing the results of the previous classes. It's a good lesson all around, especially in patience and investing in the future and other people.
@@SkillCult I've had a similar idea in the back of my mind for a few years as well. I'd like to make it a project across the whole school career of a student at primary level though (UK, ages 4-11). Start the young kids off with a seed or two and have them tend the plant as part of their school life. Introduce the different aspects of tree care and apple breeding in stages as the child grows, then when they leave school the tree is ready to plant and might even be producing fruit. You could end up with a lineage of trees that is specific to the school, which I think would be an amazing thing to see.
@@BurnsworthyII that would be amazing. I suppose the whole idea could be packaged as pretty easy to follow for schools, with educational materials etc. Maybe provide some starter material, like a few scions and rootstocks and seeds.
@@SkillCult Exactly. In my head the idea was to try and get as wide a mix of mongrel seeds as possible, the theory being that if every kid is growing a tree and there's no financial incentive to produce 'good' fruit from the get go, you can play the genetic lottery and see what happens. But having reliable varieties right from the start would be a huge asset as I imagine the attrition rate would be quite high that way! Kid got a duff apple? Bam - here's an opportunity to learn about grafting. Etc etc. There's a lot of scope to experiment and I think it would be a pretty unique approach to learning for many schoolchildren. Plus you get hands-on, relevant experience of the natural world and that's vital for our age.
@@BurnsworthyII I want to invent an easy way for people with no experience and kids, to graft. I like the idea of more focused breeding and producing seed that is interesting and high quality. One of my projects I want to do is about the idea of community seedbank trees. So, you would have trees tha are multigrafted to a focused genetic pool. Say red flesh, or high flavor, etc. That way all the seeds would potentially be cross pollinated with many other high quality and basically curated varieties. Seed would be super cheap to produce that way. The problem with that approach and apples is isolation though. I think it could be done in an isolation system, but it would require management to allow pollinators in once a day. It's doable though. And yeah, so many good lessons to be learned and a certain percentage of those kids will be bitten by the bug and continue. Albert Etter was one of those kids. he was working with strawberries at a very young age.
Given how tough a judge Steven is, that must be one hell of an apple. We put a small orchard of 12 various trees on our property last year; I hope to be able to try grafting something at one point.
Bro seriously! I think he's become a tough judge of apples because he's had so many different kinds at this point 😂 I aspire to having tried that many apple varieties.
actually as a keen follower of you for the past 5-6 years I have actually never really dived into your fruit breeding content, it have always been the axes, tools, woodworking and tanning that I have been obsessively watching and learning A LOT from. But with that said, MAN that apple looks delicious, let alone the color of that thing! Here in Denmark, as far as I am aware, we don't really have these red fleshed apples, dunno if could be a climatic thing or whatever. I am very happy to see all your hard labour and sacrifices are paying off and hopefully will segway into good things coming your way. Congratulations
I doubt I'll ever name an apple after myself lol. Maybe after etter though. At this point, I'm leaning toward Etter's Blood, or Bloodline, or Etter's Bloodline. I like the idea of honoring the origins and etter and also the idea of a bloodline, which makes us think of both origins and the future.
@@SkillCult well when you grow enough, you really gotta sell some online for us curious folks! I would pay for the shipping and cost of produce no problem!
I planted like 20 seeds of a nice apple (not nearly as good as yrs) and I'm planning to grow like 5 trees to see if I get anything good. My first and last experiment, fingers crossed.
I ordered scions from you for cherry crush and cherub and you have inspired me to try breeding apples. Im going to graft to my existing trees that haven’t fruited yet and just see what happens
I love your content. We just started breeding our apples up here in zone 3a Canada. I am going to buy a red fleshed pear to breed those as well. So happy you are finding your winners now. :) I always share your content with anyone who will listen and comment to help the algorithms. Thanks again.
My advice is dont' cross RF pears to other RF pears, because they probably suck. Get as many as you can and trial as many good regular pears as you can. If you can find more than one, cross them to the best pears you can, then use those down the line for F2 and beyond. That's what I would do :) I do have a couple RF pears here, but never fruited.
All the hardy pears here are kind of small and boring. But the Russians released some interesting very hardy pears. Going to start with some of those and some of the U of Sask varieties from the Apostle series. Hoping for good things! I appreciate the scion offer. I am going to get onto patreon in the new year as I really want some pollen to breed to my 2 old unknown variety apples one is like a small ambrosia (too cold for those here) and the other is like a round short gala type with lots of pink flesh. I want to add in that good candy flavour but I am pretty sure that scions would croak. Sometimes it gets down to -60°C with windchill. Our season is short here; end of September is likely the end of season here most years so those later varieties would never be mature enough to eat and ripen in the fridge. (But maybe) Lastly, on the shitty days remember that your youtube is inspiring a new generation of fruit breeders/homesteaders up here in the bald prairies of Canada. My kids love your videos too! Thanks again!!!
Seeing you so proud of your new apples seems like it is finally paying off! Have you named this new one yet? It truly has been awesome to watch this literally come to fruition through the years. I am glad to be participating in your vision and can't wait to get my hands on more of your apple genetics in years to come.
i began an apple seeding project last december. i have 55 apple seedlings growing in our orchard, some are over two feet tall already. i'm excited to see what happens in a decade. we also have anna and dorsett apples on the property, we are in florida where the chill hours are around 400 per year only.
Great to hear. I hope you get some great stuff. I'm very interested if just growing seed from apples that were grown in the deep south would throw more useful, low chill progeny. I think they probably will. I would really try to get as much interesting stuff actually flowering and fruiting there and favor those seeds as much as you can. That is how I would do it. Are you familiar with kuffle creek and apple and oranges blog? that is a good source to find low chill apples. I will be getting more reports soon on how my seedlings do in the south.
@@SkillCult i'm hoping they all flower and fruit. it would be interesting to see how many of them can adapt to the high heat environment, and like you said, maybe their seeds will produce low-chill phenotypes. i'm expecting some crabapples, but i really do think some of them will produce useful fruits. i'm in one of the colder parts of florida so i'm hoping it's chilly enough during the winter months. most of my seeds are from Gala apples, some are from granny smith and it's possible a few are from red delicious but i think i might have excluded those. i'm going to germinate another round of seeds in the coming months and i have some amrbosia gold and fuji seeds to add to the mix. i've never heard about those blogs you mentioned, but i will for sure google them and do some research. i'm subscribed to your channel, so i will be reminded to update you in the future about what is going on here in central florida. i also started from seed several plum trees, mango, peach, navel orange, mandarin, and avocado. so far everything is growing wonderfully.
@@SkillCult i'm hoping they all flower and fruit. it would be interesting to see how many of them can adapt to the high heat environment, and like you said, maybe their seeds will produce low-chill phenotypes. i'm expecting some crabapples, but i really do think some of them will produce useful fruits. i'm in one of the colder parts of florida so i'm hoping it's chilly enough during the winter months. most of my seeds are from Gala apples, some are from granny smith and it's possible a few are from red delicious but i think i might have excluded those. i'm going to germinate another round of seeds in the coming months and i have some amrbosia gold and fuji seeds to add to the mix. i've never heard about those blogs you mentioned, but i will for sure google them and do some research. i'm subscribed to your channel, so i will be reminded to update you in the future about what is going on here in central florida. i also started from seed several plum trees, mango, peach, navel orange, mandarin, and avocado. so far everything is growing wonderfully.
I also sell seed and my open pollinated seed is pretty cheap if you want some real diversity. It really matters what seed you plant. I will usually do blends of seed from summer, september, October, November and then super late hangers in the winter. I only save seed from interesting apples, mostly stuff I breed with or my seedlings, or that I think has some potential. Sometimes I do a red fleshed blend too and I'm thinking about doing a savory apple blend. Then I also sell seed open pollinnated of specific varieties. Two you might consider are Wickson and King David, as I know they are low chill apples. If you use stuff from the store, I would consider Pink Lady seed. I don't know about chill, but it does well here in the heat, it's a good apple and it hangs super late, which could be useful there. In the spring I have pollen too, so you could try to pollinate those dorsett or anna to get some interesting genes into the mix. You would probably have to get pollen and hold it over, since your bloom would almost certainly preceed mine.
I think we need to breed high nutrition back into the food supply as well as eating quality. I'm interested in the red flesh apple because I believe the red color is an indication of rutin and quercetin content. The more red, the higher the content.
I love the work you’ve been doing. I support your cause as much as I can. I wish I could do more. Thank you for everything and best of luck with your new homestead when you get there.
Congratulations on the awesome new seedling, I have loved following this project and look forward to future updates! The "digital patronage" system you describe around ~17:43 is kind of similar to open source support in software, I like the idea! Maybe the site could tie into a kind of nursery cooperative so supporters could also purchase scionwood directly from the growers listed in the system.
So glad you continue to develop this passion project and share it with the world.looking forward to buying seeds and grafts from you this year and in years to come!
Been following a long time. Proud of your perseverance. My frankentree is about to die. But I’m in too deep to quit now. Credit to you for making an apple nerd out of me.
So happy you had this success! I've been wanting to breed red flesh apples which is how I can't across your videos! I've loved your wisdom and teaching so much! I hope you put together a breeding course
Pretty cool, Pawpaws are under-appreciated. Just planted four common names varieties, worth sticking in this community to see if we can outdo parent strains with hand pollination and isolation. Something like Maria’s Joy x Susquehanna. Not sure though how there would be commercial PawPaws because of shelf life. 👍🏼 Maybe some extreme luck with seedling mutations.
@@ToddMagnussonWasHere Actually going to be getting (Susquehanna x Maria’s Joy) & (Maria’s Joy x Susquehanna) from a friend. KSU has a 9 year old (Susquehanna x Sunflower) that is much firmer than Susquehanna with Susquehanna quality. I have over 12K seeds of custom hybrids of cultivars, about 500 of which are (Al Horn's White x Nyomi’s Delicious). Al Horn is very firm & stores long, Nyomi’s is 27°Brix with color break. Hopefully, (Susquehanna x (Al Horn's White x Nyomi’s Delicious)) is flavorful, sweet, firm, with color break. Nyomi’s Delicious has a gene which slows PolyPhenol Oxidase enzyme browning of fruit. Selecting for fruit acidity will slow down the enzyme too. The enzyme activity is fastest at pH neutral. Color break will allow detection of ripeness with 485nm LED flashlights, rather than fruit squeezing. If all goes well, approximately 1 decade from now will have cultivars.
@@ToddMagnussonWasHere Regulus (Shenandoah x Susquehanna) & Canopus (Susquehanna x Shenandoah) are very close to being commercial cultivars. I plan to use them in breeding too. NC-1 also has good possibilities in breeding.
Your Amazing and Super Inspiring! I'm excited to see how this new creation of yours will do in different environments. Wishing you the best of luck on finding the right flat land to move all your projects to. Thanks for all you do Steven!
Very happy to see you've achieved the results you were seeking with this project! The king David x Rubaiyat cross is also what gave you Black Strawberry as well as I recall. What a winning combo. Can't wait to see the results of the crosses you're making with your improved red Fleshed varieties. I'm slowly learning some database stuff for work, so hopefully down the road I could help with an amateur plant breeder site.
Black Strawberry is king David and Grenadine. That's why the skin is thicker and more tannic. it is only a slight improvement on Grenadine in texure, skin thickness and tannin. I think that project will need a dedicated web designer that is willing to stick around and experiment. it would get pretty complicated if it does everything I think it should do. And eventually at least one paid position. Paying for it could be partly done with a percentage of donations or sales by breeders and sponsoring nurseries that participate in the public domain fruit v certification.
Are there red fleshed varieties that can grow in the south? I've got some Kuffel Creek trees selected for the subtropics here on the Texas coast, King David is one of those that will do well here, but I don't know enough about varieties to try to grow a red fleshed apple.
I don't know. They probably still need to be tested. that is one function of the eaters, breeders and growers project I was talking about. grower feedback by region.
@@SkillCult Well once I get some skill and experience (my apples are in year 2 and a half) I would love to participate in your vision, sounded awesome. I'll have enough trees to graft onto.
I haven't had much luck with red fleshed in Georgia. Pink parfait, grenadine, hidden rose and others haven't developed much red flesh if any. Probably too hot and humid and apples drop pretty quick here
Im very happy for you buddy! I've had the plan for awhile of planting one of your "The One" trees to eventually replace my hammock tree silver maple before it gets too big and outta control.
Love the idea about the honor system for supporting breeders. If everybody who grafted or sold a variety (including bigger nurseries) gave a dollar or two per tree to the original breeder, that would be jet fuel for the movement.
yeah, it would be neat if it worked. the idea is bigger too though. It would be a community as well, where eaters, breeders and growers could all interact around the plants. So anyone could leave a review, lists of who is growing it, where to find it etc. And breeders forums, with educational material to help out new breeders.
Congratulations! Thanks for doing this work and sharing the information. Really inspiring, wish apples did better here, but I still have some seedlings going, just nuts I guess. Appreciate all of the background! Love seeing you have success! Hope for lots more!
@@SkillCult Thanks for the encouragement! Never thought I would be doing this, I do have some apples that have grown out, in a few more years maybe I'll have fruit. Also breeding pitahaya, faster return to that. Best Wishes in all of your future work!
Great to hear. Sugarwood was less woody and more RF this year, but still pretty woody. It does have a very rich flavor though. did you get a brix reading by chance? My tendency is to mostly cross RF with non RF, or lightly RF apples, like william's pride, viking, Pink Parfait, rome etc. Then think about back crossing or crossing those crosses with other crosses. I'm kind of afraid that any not so great traits in two less than stellar RF apples will compound, rather than dilute. Now that I have this apple though, I may go more to RF on RF. I have done some, but not too much. I tend to think a lot now along the lines of creating lines to work with in future generations.
@@SkillCult the Brix on the Suragwood was 20. I like your RF reasoning and did something similar. I did one cross that was Thornberry X Robert's because I thought that the Etter apple was more civilized due to his efforts, and the Robert's was more Kazakstanie and primiative. Robert's is a super redfleshed variety that tastes almost like redwine. I thought I'd mix the civiized pink and the primitive red and see what happens.
I agree that there can be resentment in some cases. One example is U of Minnesota only releasing Sweetango as a "club apple", where homeowners (even Minnesota taxpaying homeowners), and orchids not in the club, cannot legally grow Sweetango until the patent expires.
Just started breeding apples this year along with native red mulberry and native grape varieties for Louisiana. I'll be reaching out to you for pollen and genetics to pair with a low/no chill wild crab.
That sounds like a cool project. for low/no chill apples, check out Kevin Hauser at Kuffle Creek Nursery and the Apple and Oranges blog. that's his thing. He has a list of no chill varieties. Starting with those seems good. King David and Wickson are two I know he talks about.
@@SkillCult Thanks for the lead! Feeling pressed for time at 38 and just starting but hopefully the kiddos can carry on what I start and be time ahead.
oh those apples look so delicious. Any chance they can make it over the Atlantic to Germany? There are several "Open source seed" initiatives - at least for vegetables and grains, don't know about trees - maybe contact those to set up some sort of cooperation?
Congratulations on the new variety! I like your idea for a plant breeder's platform. With a bit of going over and refining, the basic idea seems solid to me. I'm not a web developer, though, so I can't build it.
Congrats Steven, this is a MAJOR milestone, and I know we're all excited to see what leverages forwards from the amazing genetics you've created! I've just recently been able to get a scion of Black Strawberry way down here in Oz, and even though I support you on Patreon, I'll definitely drop you a few coins via you paypal to say thanks/help continue the trek towards more flavourful apples! @20:21 Dr Bruce Topp, a peach/macadamia research breeder from nearby University of Queensland spoke about a reverse problem they had, where they bred an incredibly succulent , leaf curl resistant, low-chill peach, but the flesh and fuzz colours conspired to may the peach look rotten grey, and so in blind pealed taste tests it topped every single persons list, but when sitting with inferior peaches it was rarely to never picked by participants, haha. He gave a talk related to it a few years ago that briefly touched on it: th-cam.com/video/W8Er2b9NzLE/w-d-xo.html My take away was more that they industry has trained us consumers to expect "good fruit" only when it hits a very narrow band of appearance, more so than anything. I'm sure this has been asked dozens of times, so apologies if that's the case, but have you tried pairing up with any nurseries to sell your named varieties? With some good branding associated with the flavours and flesh colour I know your currently names series would explode where I am! The closest we have is a red fleshed apple called Magnus Summer Surprise, and at least where I am you need to pre-order as they sell out almost immediately from when they get stock, and no offence to the Magnus family, but your line seems much better than the MSS I've grown so far (although they don't have the issue with getting too soft, and stay crunchy for a very long time). Edit: heads up, the link in the description got joined the the next sentence and so I had to fix the url manually to donate, haha
Wish i was richer. Cuz i believe in what ur doing. Im so passionate about especially apples and the history of the genetics and breeding practices. I recently few years ago Started grafting my own trees in my yard and doing bonsi multi grafted frankintrees like you call them 😂. I followed u all along this journey for few years ,u gave me tge confidence ti just graft my own. Don't overthink it just doit. Thank you 😊
Wow, what if you made really cool bonzai apple trees that actually make fruit. But shape them all funky you know. Glad to hear you're having fun. I could use a rich person right about now to fund all the stuff I want to do lol. I think I'll be able to do a lot with what I can get though. It's people like you that keep me doing this stuff.
@@SkillCultthey make some fruit. Not much got a few apples last year. First ones ever. They were soo good being all organic . well I promise u now. If I win the lottery, and I play Alot....lol. I'll be sending a pile your way. I Kno it's a long shot. I love this way
Just discovered your videos today - I'd recommend reaching out to your local mutual aid groups (anarchists, Anarcho-communists etc) your ideas on sharing apples for community reasons is right up their (and my) alley lol
Working on a permaculture garden to over produce and share with the homeless, and share propagated fruit trees/ vegetables plants. There's always suckers we prune off - why throw that away when you can give it to your neighbor style. I vibe with your shit
I do sell scion wood for grafting every year. I start cutting wood this week, so probably early february. This variety is still under evaluation, but I have other varieties from seed. I don't sell trees yet, but I might eventually do bench grafting, a fresh grafted tree that you plant, then unwrap the graft when it is ready. links to other variety descriptions are here. skillcult.com/applebreeding. And I have a webstore on that site.
l don't really get OSSI. I'm not sure what problem it is supposed to solve. Also, I don't care if people use the genetics to do further breeding. I'm not really into long term control of genetic material.
How can I obtain a few scions? I have some young trees that I'm not pleased with the product, I also have 2 b-9 rootstocks that I want to graft something delicious. You are amazing and I'm feeling very inspired by your videos. Thank you so much.
I doubt I will release this until it is at least well tested over multiple seasons. It is not fruiting this year enough to matter, so that means it will be a while. I've grafted a bunch of them out and trying to take care of the original tree, which is crowded and shaded. It's going to be a while unfortunately. I just need to have a good handle on what it's like before I put it out, as I will probably try to really promote it.
@SkillCult it doesn't have to be the apple in this video, any good tasting apples will do. I'm 71 years old and I just want something better than the crap they sell in the stores. I have a taste for winesaps, honeycrisp sweet and tart. I have a columnar tree named "tasty red" nice taste but not productive. I have to pollinate it by hand just as you do to get fruit.
What you're doing is so awesome. Love the ideals you have about letting others use your intellectual property. Only issue I see if you don't patent your fruits is that some butt pipe will steal it and do that anyways and then you legally won't be able to grow or sell the very fruits you developed. I would say patent it and just don't prosecute anyone for spreading it around and just legally take credit but let the public know they can do as they please with your intellectual property. Obviously asking that they honor your work and hopefully donate willfully back to you. Do like the whole free market idea you have but people just suck. I know you know that I'm sure. There's good people out there but unfortunately there's tons of bad people too. At any rate keep up your work!
As far as I know, you can't patent someone elses work legally. I think it would have to be claimed as their original property, and it would be pretty easy to prove it is not with the trail I leave behind. More reason though to document everything on a public website.
Yeah, loving the idea of a clearing-house for contemporary amateur fruit-breeding efforts, in the tradition of Munson, Rombough, etc. CRFG's infrastructure would probably be the easiest way to go about it.
I'm not really familiar. I want it to be a community and a data base. Breeder forums, reviews and growing experience can be left by anyone, or at least members, links to sources, who is growing it etc.
Very cool! Congratulations! I have a lot of red fleshed varieties here, got some wickson trees grafted and looking forward to get some king david scions! Next to a lot of interesting local and other varieties. I have two questions for you: Do you think it´s better to plant open pollinated seeds from good mother varieties if i do not have the time to cross or the father varieties in spring or wait some years to plant only hand - crossed seeds to spare the space? And how do you select younger seedlings on growth or diseases, sunburn etc? Greetings from Germany
It depends on your situation. If you are going to have very limited space, then you might want to hold out for intentional cross pollinations. I will send seeds overseas too and I have a lot of good cross pollinated stuff this year.
Thanks for your answer! I think i will just select the open polinated ones very hard. I think a asked you about shipping to ger, there was a thing with an adress in the US, which i don´t have, that i didn´t understood. But new season new try, would be cool!
Amazing work sir, peace from The HiMalayas..I would like to buy your bud wood and see how they work out here.. I like the concept of sharing..I would love to help you out if this works here.
As I am watching this video all I can think of, I'd love to buy some fruitwood from you and grow your special variety. Ever think about offering it for sale?
Thanks for putting this video up! What would happen if you crossed the Appleosa with something like Pink Lady (good pie apple) to hold the texture into the stages of ripeness? Both the apples you showed look amazing and sound delicious. Keep up the hard work!
I've made that cross already and probably will again. It is sort of a back cross, since Lady Williams, appleoosa's pollen parent is also an ancestor of Cripps. I also have Pinker Lady Cripps pink x rubaiyat. that might make a good back cross. But cripps / appleoosa will be made more in both directions.
Not sure if this has crossed your radar, but there is a thing called OSSI (Open Source Seed Initiative). They may only certify seeds exclusively, but that would be worth looking into. They apparently have a legal team and basically uses the law to prevent other people/companies from restricting/patenting something you bred and claiming ownership. Keeps it in the hands of people I guess. Just something to consider. By the way, have you been tried Redlove ERA? Hopefully I'll get some fruit next year on my young tree. Maybe you mentioned it in the vid, but I was under the impression that even patented plants can be used in breeding new strains. No idea if that's accurate, but you could cheat a little by using those in crosses to leapfrog ahead of the apple breeding curve. Not that it's a competition or anything ;)
I know of OSSI. My initial reaction is negative because it seems like they agree with big ag on the idea that it's appropriate to drastically restrict genetics by legal means. I'm not totally sure I understand exactly what problems it is solving or what the argument is for preventing lets say someone like me using the pollen in breeding if I were to pursue any form of patent on the offspring. Say that I did a patent that is limited and allows for personal use, whats the real issue there that OSSI is solving? Yeah, in most cases, you can use the pollen in breeding and grow the seed. It may be more complicate with annual veg and there have been some very evil attempts and probably successes to patent traits or control downstream reproduction by other laws. the AG lobby is huge. I have tried at least one redlove here and it was not good at all, but it was probably first year fruiting and it might improve. might just be bad here too.
@@SkillCult Seems like you know more about it than me, I'll have to read up more. I was under the impression it was a convenient certificate for small home breeders to prevent bigger fish from stealing their hard work, calling it their creation, and then patenting and restricting it. I attended a Carol Deppe presentation at the Seed Savers Exchange conference many years ago. I think I understand your points too. It seems like another form of restrictions/mandated legal crap. Theoretically, if I were to save seed of an OSSI variety and decide I want to sell that seed, is it illegal to NOT display the OSSI certificate? Guess I can look into that myself; sorry you don't have to answer all my off the cuff questions haha. If that's how it works, I'd be suspicious too.
I support Steven on Patreon and I encourage all of you to do the same. Steven is an excellent role model for all of us. He is working diligently for the betterment of the human race through nature. I have never met him in person, and I live thousands of miles away, and I don’t have a lot of spending money. However, I know something special when I see it. I’ve seen a few other bachelor men in life that focus all their energy toward community rather than family. These people are absolutely priceless to society and we need to show them the support of a broader societal family in return.
Thanks goes to Steven for all that you do. Go man go!
Thanks :) I'd like to say it's some kind of noble martyrdom, but it's more like a compulsion lol.
Its been great to follow the apple breeding project. Definitely the best apple content on YT
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You could also create a brand of sparkling red cider to make it popular. Put it in fancy bottles, give it a fancy name. Add a seed to plant in a little paper envelope to go with it. In Germany, for instance, it used to be traditional to plant a fruit or nut tree when you get married or have a baby. Make it a tradition here, too.
I like the seed idea. One idea i have is for a kit for schools that is an educational package, with some high grade apple seeds that tend to throw good offspring. Once the project was started, say for 5th grade, then eventually each class would start a tree and be seeing the results of the previous classes. It's a good lesson all around, especially in patience and investing in the future and other people.
@@SkillCult I've had a similar idea in the back of my mind for a few years as well. I'd like to make it a project across the whole school career of a student at primary level though (UK, ages 4-11). Start the young kids off with a seed or two and have them tend the plant as part of their school life. Introduce the different aspects of tree care and apple breeding in stages as the child grows, then when they leave school the tree is ready to plant and might even be producing fruit. You could end up with a lineage of trees that is specific to the school, which I think would be an amazing thing to see.
@@BurnsworthyII that would be amazing. I suppose the whole idea could be packaged as pretty easy to follow for schools, with educational materials etc. Maybe provide some starter material, like a few scions and rootstocks and seeds.
@@SkillCult Exactly. In my head the idea was to try and get as wide a mix of mongrel seeds as possible, the theory being that if every kid is growing a tree and there's no financial incentive to produce 'good' fruit from the get go, you can play the genetic lottery and see what happens. But having reliable varieties right from the start would be a huge asset as I imagine the attrition rate would be quite high that way! Kid got a duff apple? Bam - here's an opportunity to learn about grafting. Etc etc. There's a lot of scope to experiment and I think it would be a pretty unique approach to learning for many schoolchildren. Plus you get hands-on, relevant experience of the natural world and that's vital for our age.
@@BurnsworthyII I want to invent an easy way for people with no experience and kids, to graft. I like the idea of more focused breeding and producing seed that is interesting and high quality. One of my projects I want to do is about the idea of community seedbank trees. So, you would have trees tha are multigrafted to a focused genetic pool. Say red flesh, or high flavor, etc. That way all the seeds would potentially be cross pollinated with many other high quality and basically curated varieties. Seed would be super cheap to produce that way. The problem with that approach and apples is isolation though. I think it could be done in an isolation system, but it would require management to allow pollinators in once a day. It's doable though. And yeah, so many good lessons to be learned and a certain percentage of those kids will be bitten by the bug and continue. Albert Etter was one of those kids. he was working with strawberries at a very young age.
Given how tough a judge Steven is, that must be one hell of an apple. We put a small orchard of 12 various trees on our property last year; I hope to be able to try grafting something at one point.
Bro seriously! I think he's become a tough judge of apples because he's had so many different kinds at this point 😂 I aspire to having tried that many apple varieties.
Amazing work as always! Everyone is going to want this apple. My wife says name it “Queen Ruby” 😊
actually as a keen follower of you for the past 5-6 years I have actually never really dived into your fruit breeding content, it have always been the axes, tools, woodworking and tanning that I have been obsessively watching and learning A LOT from. But with that said, MAN that apple looks delicious, let alone the color of that thing! Here in Denmark, as far as I am aware, we don't really have these red fleshed apples, dunno if could be a climatic thing or whatever.
I am very happy to see all your hard labour and sacrifices are paying off and hopefully will segway into good things coming your way. Congratulations
Right on! and for a name...drum roll please...Redholme. Looks like a terrific apple. Thanks.
I doubt I'll ever name an apple after myself lol. Maybe after etter though. At this point, I'm leaning toward Etter's Blood, or Bloodline, or Etter's Bloodline. I like the idea of honoring the origins and etter and also the idea of a bloodline, which makes us think of both origins and the future.
Congratulations, Steven! It’s been fun watching you search for this holy grail.
Man. Now I really want to eat one of these!!! They look delicious! Never thought apples could be an art form but you have succeeded in doing so!
I wish everyone could taste it. Actually, no one else has tasted it but me lol. and I have like 1/3 of one left.
@@SkillCult well when you grow enough, you really gotta sell some online for us curious folks! I would pay for the shipping and cost of produce no problem!
I planted like 20 seeds of a nice apple (not nearly as good as yrs) and I'm planning to grow like 5 trees to see if I get anything good. My first and last experiment, fingers crossed.
You answered your question: WORK.
No one wants to work.
What question?
@SkillCult You asked why no one would plant these. I'm sure you meant it rhetorically.
My attempt at wiseass. 😁
Dude I can’t believe you keep me interested in everything you post. Leather, axes, ash charcoal, freakin apple breeding. I love your content dude
What you talk about at the 17 minute mark sounds like something I'd be on board with
Such a good legacy! What an inspiration. Thanks for sharing your work.
Grats - on your success - now to be able to have scions to apple afficiandos and be the Johnny Apple Seeder of the 2000s
I ordered scions from you for cherry crush and cherub and you have inspired me to try breeding apples. Im going to graft to my existing trees that haven’t fruited yet and just see what happens
Love that you are continuing Etter's work! Thank you and waiting for scions!!!
Congrats on the great seedling!
Well done sir! Im so happy to have followed along your journey and love seeing all the successes you have achieved!
I love your content. We just started breeding our apples up here in zone 3a Canada. I am going to buy a red fleshed pear to breed those as well. So happy you are finding your winners now. :)
I always share your content with anyone who will listen and comment to help the algorithms. Thanks again.
My advice is dont' cross RF pears to other RF pears, because they probably suck. Get as many as you can and trial as many good regular pears as you can. If you can find more than one, cross them to the best pears you can, then use those down the line for F2 and beyond. That's what I would do :) I do have a couple RF pears here, but never fruited.
Might be able to send you a couple sticks.
All the hardy pears here are kind of small and boring. But the Russians released some interesting very hardy pears. Going to start with some of those and some of the U of Sask varieties from the Apostle series. Hoping for good things! I appreciate the scion offer. I am going to get onto patreon in the new year as I really want some pollen to breed to my 2 old unknown variety apples one is like a small ambrosia (too cold for those here) and the other is like a round short gala type with lots of pink flesh. I want to add in that good candy flavour but I am pretty sure that scions would croak. Sometimes it gets down to -60°C with windchill. Our season is short here; end of September is likely the end of season here most years so those later varieties would never be mature enough to eat and ripen in the fridge. (But maybe)
Lastly, on the shitty days remember that your youtube is inspiring a new generation of fruit breeders/homesteaders up here in the bald prairies of Canada. My kids love your videos too! Thanks again!!!
I didn't even know red flesh apples existed. Great job.
Seeing you so proud of your new apples seems like it is finally paying off! Have you named this new one yet? It truly has been awesome to watch this literally come to fruition through the years. I am glad to be participating in your vision and can't wait to get my hands on more of your apple genetics in years to come.
Seconded on the name question... 😀
Rooting for your success!
i began an apple seeding project last december. i have 55 apple seedlings growing in our orchard, some are over two feet tall already. i'm excited to see what happens in a decade. we also have anna and dorsett apples on the property, we are in florida where the chill hours are around 400 per year only.
Great to hear. I hope you get some great stuff. I'm very interested if just growing seed from apples that were grown in the deep south would throw more useful, low chill progeny. I think they probably will. I would really try to get as much interesting stuff actually flowering and fruiting there and favor those seeds as much as you can. That is how I would do it. Are you familiar with kuffle creek and apple and oranges blog? that is a good source to find low chill apples. I will be getting more reports soon on how my seedlings do in the south.
@@SkillCult i'm hoping they all flower and fruit. it would be interesting to see how many of them can adapt to the high heat environment, and like you said, maybe their seeds will produce low-chill phenotypes. i'm expecting some crabapples, but i really do think some of them will produce useful fruits. i'm in one of the colder parts of florida so i'm hoping it's chilly enough during the winter months. most of my seeds are from Gala apples, some are from granny smith and it's possible a few are from red delicious but i think i might have excluded those. i'm going to germinate another round of seeds in the coming months and i have some amrbosia gold and fuji seeds to add to the mix. i've never heard about those blogs you mentioned, but i will for sure google them and do some research. i'm subscribed to your channel, so i will be reminded to update you in the future about what is going on here in central florida. i also started from seed several plum trees, mango, peach, navel orange, mandarin, and avocado. so far everything is growing wonderfully.
@@SkillCult i'm hoping they all flower and fruit. it would be interesting to see how many of them can adapt to the high heat environment, and like you said, maybe their seeds will produce low-chill phenotypes. i'm expecting some crabapples, but i really do think some of them will produce useful fruits. i'm in one of the colder parts of florida so i'm hoping it's chilly enough during the winter months. most of my seeds are from Gala apples, some are from granny smith and it's possible a few are from red delicious but i think i might have excluded those. i'm going to germinate another round of seeds in the coming months and i have some amrbosia gold and fuji seeds to add to the mix. i've never heard about those blogs you mentioned, but i will for sure google them and do some research. i'm subscribed to your channel, so i will be reminded to update you in the future about what is going on here in central florida. i also started from seed several plum trees, mango, peach, navel orange, mandarin, and avocado. so far everything is growing wonderfully.
I also sell seed and my open pollinated seed is pretty cheap if you want some real diversity. It really matters what seed you plant. I will usually do blends of seed from summer, september, October, November and then super late hangers in the winter. I only save seed from interesting apples, mostly stuff I breed with or my seedlings, or that I think has some potential. Sometimes I do a red fleshed blend too and I'm thinking about doing a savory apple blend. Then I also sell seed open pollinnated of specific varieties. Two you might consider are Wickson and King David, as I know they are low chill apples. If you use stuff from the store, I would consider Pink Lady seed. I don't know about chill, but it does well here in the heat, it's a good apple and it hangs super late, which could be useful there. In the spring I have pollen too, so you could try to pollinate those dorsett or anna to get some interesting genes into the mix. You would probably have to get pollen and hold it over, since your bloom would almost certainly preceed mine.
Congratulations! I've been following your project for years and it's so awesome to see your grassroots approach succeed.
Much appreciated 👍. Good for you and your unrelenting efforts!
I think we need to breed high nutrition back into the food supply as well as eating quality. I'm interested in the red flesh apple because I believe the red color is an indication of rutin and quercetin content. The more red, the higher the content.
Wow they look amazing! Congrats. You have an amazing patience doing this.
I do now with so much practice 🤣
That’s so amazing
Your hard work and patience paid off.
Looks really amazing .
Are you by any chance sell cuttings or plants?
I’m interested
Thank you
So exciting, Stephen! Nicely done, and thanks for all the coaching and knowledge you've given.
I love the work you’ve been doing. I support your cause as much as I can. I wish I could do more. Thank you for everything and best of luck with your new homestead when you get there.
That is super Stephen! Congrats! Interesting that it happened in F1 and not a bunch of back-crossing. Fnerds unite!(Fruit Nerds)
You’ve been inspiring to follow the last couple years. Congratulations 🎉!
Hooray!!! Super Congrats!!!
Congratulations on such an incredible accomplishment.
Congratulations on the awesome new seedling, I have loved following this project and look forward to future updates!
The "digital patronage" system you describe around ~17:43 is kind of similar to open source support in software, I like the idea! Maybe the site could tie into a kind of nursery cooperative so supporters could also purchase scionwood directly from the growers listed in the system.
yeah, I think it might be, but I've never studied how that actually works. Fonts too have alternative systems for personal vs commercial use.
So glad you continue to develop this passion project and share it with the world.looking forward to buying seeds and grafts from you this year and in years to come!
Been following a long time. Proud of your perseverance.
My frankentree is about to die. But I’m in too deep to quit now. Credit to you for making an apple nerd out of me.
Congratulations. Looking forward to seeing where you take it.
Amazing, what an accomplishment
Congratulations, I'm happy for you!
Congratulations!
Can't wait for this one to hit the shelves..or the auctions😃
Congrats! It's a testament to your developed expertise!
Bruh i find your channel yesterday thats just too much of actual content you doing there, keep it up!👌
Congratulations! Well deserved success.
So happy you had this success! I've been wanting to breed red flesh apples which is how I can't across your videos! I've loved your wisdom and teaching so much! I hope you put together a breeding course
Working on an apple breeding book, but getting it finished and published might be challenging.
I hope to one day try this apple, keep up the good work
Love your ideas. I'm going to do something similar with Asimina triloba.
I put a link to this video on my FaceBook
Pretty cool, Pawpaws are under-appreciated. Just planted four common names varieties, worth sticking in this community to see if we can outdo parent strains with hand pollination and isolation. Something like Maria’s Joy x Susquehanna. Not sure though how there would be commercial PawPaws because of shelf life. 👍🏼 Maybe some extreme luck with seedling mutations.
@@ToddMagnussonWasHere Actually going to be getting (Susquehanna x Maria’s Joy) & (Maria’s Joy x Susquehanna) from a friend. KSU has a 9 year old (Susquehanna x Sunflower) that is much firmer than Susquehanna with Susquehanna quality. I have over 12K seeds of custom hybrids of cultivars, about 500 of which are (Al Horn's White x Nyomi’s Delicious). Al Horn is very firm & stores long, Nyomi’s is 27°Brix with color break. Hopefully, (Susquehanna x (Al Horn's White x Nyomi’s Delicious)) is flavorful, sweet, firm, with color break. Nyomi’s Delicious has a gene which slows PolyPhenol Oxidase enzyme browning of fruit. Selecting for fruit acidity will slow down the enzyme too. The enzyme activity is fastest at pH neutral. Color break will allow detection of ripeness with 485nm LED flashlights, rather than fruit squeezing. If all goes well, approximately 1 decade from now will have cultivars.
@@ToddMagnussonWasHere Regulus (Shenandoah x Susquehanna) & Canopus (Susquehanna x Shenandoah) are very close to being commercial cultivars. I plan to use them in breeding too. NC-1 also has good possibilities in breeding.
@@Pay-It_Forward Wow, didn’t even know about some of these cultivars. Definitely going to check out Nyomi’s and some of the other ones you mentioned.
That is great and so cool don't ever stop doing what you're doing
Great! it's good to hear the state of things, and especially your socially centered idea on the propagation of new, unpatented cultivars
Congratulations on your success!! I know it’s been a labor of love
Congratulations! Patience has paid off!
Your Amazing and Super Inspiring! I'm excited to see how this new creation of yours will do in different environments. Wishing you the best of luck on finding the right flat land to move all your projects to. Thanks for all you do Steven!
Very happy to see you've achieved the results you were seeking with this project! The king David x Rubaiyat cross is also what gave you Black Strawberry as well as I recall. What a winning combo. Can't wait to see the results of the crosses you're making with your improved red Fleshed varieties.
I'm slowly learning some database stuff for work, so hopefully down the road I could help with an amateur plant breeder site.
Black Strawberry is king David and Grenadine. That's why the skin is thicker and more tannic. it is only a slight improvement on Grenadine in texure, skin thickness and tannin.
I think that project will need a dedicated web designer that is willing to stick around and experiment. it would get pretty complicated if it does everything I think it should do. And eventually at least one paid position. Paying for it could be partly done with a percentage of donations or sales by breeders and sponsoring nurseries that participate in the public domain fruit v certification.
You crushed it!!!!
Congratulations! Incredibly excited to try to get my hands on these!
It's like an open-source software system, open-source Agriculture.
Yeah maybe. I need to look into how all the works. I've never really understood it.
Are there red fleshed varieties that can grow in the south? I've got some Kuffel Creek trees selected for the subtropics here on the Texas coast, King David is one of those that will do well here, but I don't know enough about varieties to try to grow a red fleshed apple.
I don't know. They probably still need to be tested. that is one function of the eaters, breeders and growers project I was talking about. grower feedback by region.
@@SkillCult Well once I get some skill and experience (my apples are in year 2 and a half) I would love to participate in your vision, sounded awesome. I'll have enough trees to graft onto.
I haven't had much luck with red fleshed in Georgia. Pink parfait, grenadine, hidden rose and others haven't developed much red flesh if any. Probably too hot and humid and apples drop pretty quick here
Im very happy for you buddy! I've had the plan for awhile of planting one of your "The One" trees to eventually replace my hammock tree silver maple before it gets too big and outta control.
Better a frankentree :) Then you can have multiple of my varieties and others.
Love the idea about the honor system for supporting breeders. If everybody who grafted or sold a variety (including bigger nurseries) gave a dollar or two per tree to the original breeder, that would be jet fuel for the movement.
yeah, it would be neat if it worked. the idea is bigger too though. It would be a community as well, where eaters, breeders and growers could all interact around the plants. So anyone could leave a review, lists of who is growing it, where to find it etc. And breeders forums, with educational material to help out new breeders.
Success!! Very happy for you.
Congratulations Steven. It's been a journey.
Congratulations Steven, super awesome 😀❤️!
Thanks sis!
How incredible! Well done!!
Congratulations! Thanks for doing this work and sharing the information. Really inspiring, wish apples did better here, but I still have some seedlings going, just nuts I guess. Appreciate all of the background! Love seeing you have success! Hope for lots more!
Just start breeding for your location and plant a lot. something will do well eventually.
@@SkillCult Thanks for the encouragement! Never thought I would be doing this, I do have some apples that have grown out, in a few more years maybe I'll have fruit. Also breeding pitahaya, faster return to that. Best Wishes in all of your future work!
Congratulations! I should test it for you in Minnesota.
I finally got about a dozen of your Sugarwood© apples from my grafted tree this year, and let me just say, they are fantastic - high sugar, small, pink fleshed, berry flavor, good eating out of hand, and it will be an awesome cider apple. This year I cross bred your Sugarwood with another Etter apple, Thornberry ,with a a goal getting more red fleshed Etter genes into an apple. I'll send you a scion one of these day. I'm also taking up your mantel by breeding other redfleshed apples such as: Otterson X Redlove, Redlove X Wickson, Roberts X Redlove Sirena. Thanks for all your inspiration.
Great to hear. Sugarwood was less woody and more RF this year, but still pretty woody. It does have a very rich flavor though. did you get a brix reading by chance? My tendency is to mostly cross RF with non RF, or lightly RF apples, like william's pride, viking, Pink Parfait, rome etc. Then think about back crossing or crossing those crosses with other crosses. I'm kind of afraid that any not so great traits in two less than stellar RF apples will compound, rather than dilute. Now that I have this apple though, I may go more to RF on RF. I have done some, but not too much. I tend to think a lot now along the lines of creating lines to work with in future generations.
@@SkillCult the Brix on the Suragwood was 20. I like your RF reasoning and did something similar. I did one cross that was Thornberry X Robert's because I thought that the Etter apple was more civilized due to his efforts, and the Robert's was more Kazakstanie and primiative. Robert's is a super redfleshed variety that tastes almost like redwine. I thought I'd mix the civiized pink and the primitive red and see what happens.
@@Tmakepeace wat? Really? 20brix apple?
@@Sp1tfire100 yup!
Great. Let me know. I have a Fedco Redfield and a Mountain Rose...
I agree that there can be resentment in some cases. One example is U of Minnesota only releasing Sweetango as a "club apple", where homeowners (even Minnesota taxpaying homeowners), and orchids not in the club, cannot legally grow Sweetango until the patent expires.
Just started breeding apples this year along with native red mulberry and native grape varieties for Louisiana. I'll be reaching out to you for pollen and genetics to pair with a low/no chill wild crab.
That sounds like a cool project. for low/no chill apples, check out Kevin Hauser at Kuffle Creek Nursery and the Apple and Oranges blog. that's his thing. He has a list of no chill varieties. Starting with those seems good. King David and Wickson are two I know he talks about.
@@SkillCult Thanks for the lead! Feeling pressed for time at 38 and just starting but hopefully the kiddos can carry on what I start and be time ahead.
I admire the effort.
oh those apples look so delicious. Any chance they can make it over the Atlantic to Germany?
There are several "Open source seed" initiatives - at least for vegetables and grains, don't know about trees - maybe contact those to set up some sort of cooperation?
Thanks for all you do. I hope to snag some scions this time around. I missed out last season.
Congratulations on the new variety! I like your idea for a plant breeder's platform. With a bit of going over and refining, the basic idea seems solid to me. I'm not a web developer, though, so I can't build it.
Congrats Steven, this is a MAJOR milestone, and I know we're all excited to see what leverages forwards from the amazing genetics you've created!
I've just recently been able to get a scion of Black Strawberry way down here in Oz, and even though I support you on Patreon, I'll definitely drop you a few coins via you paypal to say thanks/help continue the trek towards more flavourful apples!
@20:21 Dr Bruce Topp, a peach/macadamia research breeder from nearby University of Queensland spoke about a reverse problem they had, where they bred an incredibly succulent , leaf curl resistant, low-chill peach, but the flesh and fuzz colours conspired to may the peach look rotten grey, and so in blind pealed taste tests it topped every single persons list, but when sitting with inferior peaches it was rarely to never picked by participants, haha.
He gave a talk related to it a few years ago that briefly touched on it: th-cam.com/video/W8Er2b9NzLE/w-d-xo.html
My take away was more that they industry has trained us consumers to expect "good fruit" only when it hits a very narrow band of appearance, more so than anything.
I'm sure this has been asked dozens of times, so apologies if that's the case, but have you tried pairing up with any nurseries to sell your named varieties?
With some good branding associated with the flavours and flesh colour I know your currently names series would explode where I am!
The closest we have is a red fleshed apple called Magnus Summer Surprise, and at least where I am you need to pre-order as they sell out almost immediately from when they get stock, and no offence to the Magnus family, but your line seems much better than the MSS I've grown so far (although they don't have the issue with getting too soft, and stay crunchy for a very long time).
Edit: heads up, the link in the description got joined the the next sentence and so I had to fix the url manually to donate, haha
Wish i was richer. Cuz i believe in what ur doing. Im so passionate about especially apples and the history of the genetics and breeding practices. I recently few years ago Started grafting my own trees in my yard and doing bonsi multi grafted frankintrees like you call them 😂. I followed u all along this journey for few years ,u gave me tge confidence ti just graft my own. Don't overthink it just doit. Thank you 😊
Wow, what if you made really cool bonzai apple trees that actually make fruit. But shape them all funky you know. Glad to hear you're having fun. I could use a rich person right about now to fund all the stuff I want to do lol. I think I'll be able to do a lot with what I can get though. It's people like you that keep me doing this stuff.
@@SkillCultthey make some fruit. Not much got a few apples last year. First ones ever. They were soo good being all organic . well I promise u now. If I win the lottery, and I play Alot....lol. I'll be sending a pile your way. I Kno it's a long shot. I love this way
Just discovered your videos today - I'd recommend reaching out to your local mutual aid groups (anarchists, Anarcho-communists etc) your ideas on sharing apples for community reasons is right up their (and my) alley lol
Working on a permaculture garden to over produce and share with the homeless, and share propagated fruit trees/ vegetables plants. There's always suckers we prune off - why throw that away when you can give it to your neighbor style. I vibe with your shit
So happy for you Steven ❤
I've been following along for a long time.
Hello, great video, i was wondering if you had a website or store that you sold trees or grafting wood, thank you in advance and great work!!
I do sell scion wood for grafting every year. I start cutting wood this week, so probably early february. This variety is still under evaluation, but I have other varieties from seed. I don't sell trees yet, but I might eventually do bench grafting, a fresh grafted tree that you plant, then unwrap the graft when it is ready. links to other variety descriptions are here. skillcult.com/applebreeding. And I have a webstore on that site.
Can you release your Apple under ossi? That would protect it from other crosses being pattented. Love the social idea
l don't really get OSSI. I'm not sure what problem it is supposed to solve. Also, I don't care if people use the genetics to do further breeding. I'm not really into long term control of genetic material.
How can I obtain a few scions? I have some young trees that I'm not pleased with the product, I also have 2 b-9 rootstocks that I want to graft something delicious.
You are amazing and I'm feeling very inspired by your videos.
Thank you so much.
I doubt I will release this until it is at least well tested over multiple seasons. It is not fruiting this year enough to matter, so that means it will be a while. I've grafted a bunch of them out and trying to take care of the original tree, which is crowded and shaded. It's going to be a while unfortunately. I just need to have a good handle on what it's like before I put it out, as I will probably try to really promote it.
@SkillCult it doesn't have to be the apple in this video, any good tasting apples will do. I'm 71 years old and I just want something better than the crap they sell in the stores. I have a taste for winesaps, honeycrisp sweet and tart. I have a columnar tree named "tasty red" nice taste but not productive. I have to pollinate it by hand just as you do to get fruit.
Excellent, I admire your hard work!
What you're doing is so awesome. Love the ideals you have about letting others use your intellectual property. Only issue I see if you don't patent your fruits is that some butt pipe will steal it and do that anyways and then you legally won't be able to grow or sell the very fruits you developed. I would say patent it and just don't prosecute anyone for spreading it around and just legally take credit but let the public know they can do as they please with your intellectual property. Obviously asking that they honor your work and hopefully donate willfully back to you. Do like the whole free market idea you have but people just suck. I know you know that I'm sure. There's good people out there but unfortunately there's tons of bad people too. At any rate keep up your work!
As far as I know, you can't patent someone elses work legally. I think it would have to be claimed as their original property, and it would be pretty easy to prove it is not with the trail I leave behind. More reason though to document everything on a public website.
Yeah, loving the idea of a clearing-house for contemporary amateur fruit-breeding efforts, in the tradition of Munson, Rombough, etc. CRFG's infrastructure would probably be the easiest way to go about it.
I'm not really familiar. I want it to be a community and a data base. Breeder forums, reviews and growing experience can be left by anyone, or at least members, links to sources, who is growing it etc.
Awesome!
Congratulations beautiful apple. What is its bloom time
I don't know that yet. This is the first year it flowerd and bore fruit.
I would love to have some scion wood of the final product of this project.
someday...
Awesome!!!
Any way to get 1-2 buds for chip grafting?
Not this year, but I'll release it eventually. I don't usually do summer wood, just dormant, but you can chip bud with dormant wood.
@@SkillCult, thank you!
If you are developing a list for scion buyers, please put us on it. I’d buy a (4) bud one for $20…
Peace…
Great job…
Very cool! Congratulations!
I have a lot of red fleshed varieties here, got some wickson trees grafted and looking forward to get some king david scions! Next to a lot of interesting local and other varieties.
I have two questions for you: Do you think it´s better to plant open pollinated seeds from good mother varieties if i do not have the time to cross or the father varieties in spring or wait some years to plant only hand - crossed seeds to spare the space?
And how do you select younger seedlings on growth or diseases, sunburn etc?
Greetings from Germany
It depends on your situation. If you are going to have very limited space, then you might want to hold out for intentional cross pollinations. I will send seeds overseas too and I have a lot of good cross pollinated stuff this year.
Contact me ahead of time about shipping though.
Thanks for your answer! I think i will just select the open polinated ones very hard.
I think a asked you about shipping to ger, there was a thing with an adress in the US, which i don´t have, that i didn´t understood. But new season new try, would be cool!
@@DerWeschi Just contact me. We can figure it out. I'd like to see some of these genetics get over there in seed form if you will grow them.
Great video...wish one day eat this aplle.
That will be possible :)
Amazing work sir, peace from The HiMalayas..I would like to buy your bud wood and see how they work out here..
I like the concept of sharing..I would love to help you out if this works here.
Hi :) I'm sure we can get you growing these varieties someday. this one is not released yet.
A dream!
How can I obtain seeds of this beauty?
As I am watching this video all I can think of, I'd love to buy some fruitwood from you and grow your special variety. Ever think about offering it for sale?
That will happen eventually, just not this year. Hopefully by next year.
I do have the other one this year, appleoosa. They should be available in less than a week in m webstore at skillcult.com
Heck yeah! Looking forward to eating that apple someday!
Would you ever consider selling them? I'd love to add some to my own orchard, wow!
His named varieties eventually get out there. Bite Me is available at fruitwoodnursery, for example
I’d love to buy a scion as well!
Amazing work!
Thanks for putting this video up! What would happen if you crossed the Appleosa with something like Pink Lady (good pie apple) to hold the texture into the stages of ripeness? Both the apples you showed look amazing and sound delicious. Keep up the hard work!
I've made that cross already and probably will again. It is sort of a back cross, since Lady Williams, appleoosa's pollen parent is also an ancestor of Cripps. I also have Pinker Lady Cripps pink x rubaiyat. that might make a good back cross. But cripps / appleoosa will be made more in both directions.
Not sure if this has crossed your radar, but there is a thing called OSSI (Open Source Seed Initiative). They may only certify seeds exclusively, but that would be worth looking into. They apparently have a legal team and basically uses the law to prevent other people/companies from restricting/patenting something you bred and claiming ownership. Keeps it in the hands of people I guess. Just something to consider. By the way, have you been tried Redlove ERA? Hopefully I'll get some fruit next year on my young tree. Maybe you mentioned it in the vid, but I was under the impression that even patented plants can be used in breeding new strains. No idea if that's accurate, but you could cheat a little by using those in crosses to leapfrog ahead of the apple breeding curve. Not that it's a competition or anything ;)
I know of OSSI. My initial reaction is negative because it seems like they agree with big ag on the idea that it's appropriate to drastically restrict genetics by legal means. I'm not totally sure I understand exactly what problems it is solving or what the argument is for preventing lets say someone like me using the pollen in breeding if I were to pursue any form of patent on the offspring. Say that I did a patent that is limited and allows for personal use, whats the real issue there that OSSI is solving? Yeah, in most cases, you can use the pollen in breeding and grow the seed. It may be more complicate with annual veg and there have been some very evil attempts and probably successes to patent traits or control downstream reproduction by other laws. the AG lobby is huge. I have tried at least one redlove here and it was not good at all, but it was probably first year fruiting and it might improve. might just be bad here too.
@@SkillCult Seems like you know more about it than me, I'll have to read up more. I was under the impression it was a convenient certificate for small home breeders to prevent bigger fish from stealing their hard work, calling it their creation, and then patenting and restricting it. I attended a Carol Deppe presentation at the Seed Savers Exchange conference many years ago. I think I understand your points too. It seems like another form of restrictions/mandated legal crap. Theoretically, if I were to save seed of an OSSI variety and decide I want to sell that seed, is it illegal to NOT display the OSSI certificate? Guess I can look into that myself; sorry you don't have to answer all my off the cuff questions haha. If that's how it works, I'd be suspicious too.