Franks books is something that should be read by everyone who condemns the West for their past sins, and compare them with the sins of the CCP under Mao.
I think he is a quietly heroic figure. And it bought him quite a lot of time to write and get his message out there. Of course now, with the tightening of security, nationalism, and hardlinerism under Jinping that has been squashed to a large extent, but he did good work.
very informative and illuminating this lecture is . The so-called liberation is ironic . As a matter of fact, the history has turned back one page and a kind of draconian tyranny was restored . China got again isolated from the civilized world in 1949 and barbarism prevailed domestically .
@@pdd60absorbed12 not to mention, you know, an independent chinese state which makes the world shit its pants, not to mention how many people died under capitalism which nobody even knows, not to mention the fact that you're dumb lol, read a book, little homie
I have been told by someone that the North East was initially offered to KMT. Although it isn't a big secret that both Russian and Chinese communists have much greater influence in the entire Northern part of China. This includes the present day inner Mongolia and Mongolia. KMT's main forces were in China proper and stretched all the way to South Western part of China.
Save Taiwan! FreeTibet! Deport Chinese here who are defensive and ignore us is if we ask about their culture or pretend they don't understand question.
I read this book and I don't know whether to believe it or not. His graphic description of things seems a little over the top and too fake to be believable.
Reality is often crueler than people like to think about, much less admit when it happens in their own backyard. I suggest doing some reading on the gulags under Stalin or the devastation Pol Pot brought to his people. For a change of scenery, look into ancient Mayan sacrificial rituals. All quite brutal.
Speak Chinese well, this helps those who investigate Chinese history. Few from the outside of China itself are close enough to know deep enough the flesh and blood of Chinese history. As for the archives, one can be sceptical about the true veracity of what they appear to indicate, they are localised and do not reflect the entire situation under consideration about this period. A reasonable exposé of this period nevertheless, one more brick on the edifice of Chinese history, and it is only the beginning, what come next will have a different interpretation of history with different interpretations, will see, or at least those who will live long enough to see it happening.
If the speaker cannot say anything about modern China, it is not difficult to understand the reality of today. During the time of Deng Xiaoping, an open-door approach to courting foreign investment, the CCP had imposed only one political requirement on capitalists penetrating China, it was that foreign companies must permit the establishment of branches of the official All-China Trade Union Confederation in their factories, so that the state controlled trade unions can effectively police working class opposition to the regime. This is not difficult to work out, no needs of archives. Following his active political career he, that is Deng Xiaoping, made sure of the transformation of the Chinese Communist Party from an organisation based on the working class working for the liberation from the capitalist grip and its practice of imperialism into an organisation which is the principal instrument for the development of capitalism in China and the suppression of the working class as a political force. In fact, Tiananmen Square massacre was the green light for foreign investors to be reassured that their investments wouldn’t be threatened by a Chinese popular uprising with revolutionary intends. As a result of such policies, some 200 millions workers and peasants abandoned the provinces of the interior in search of jobs and better living standards in the booming coastal areas. Now, the gap between the cities and the rural areas is so wide that the people cannot identify as a one country, more like two different worlds. None of the problems which confronted China in the various periods of the 20th century have been overcome, in appearance it seems to the contrary, yet, deep down the contradictions have amplified but in different forms, compounded with the massive problems of ecological dilemmas that didn’t exist at the time. The people are still to liberate themselves from the vertical power, an oppressive power bent to control at any cost the aspirations of the greatest majority which has no say in decision making and so far are victimised by most of them. This doesn’t mean that the capitalist world is doing better, not at all, same problems of a cast at the top of the masses who dictate unacceptable rules and regulations, using the political structures to do so. Be in the United States or China or anywhere else, we are still to liberate ourselves from the shackles of capitalism, often hidden under other denominations such as communism, socialism and any isme one can create. We are still very primitive creatures of the animal kingdom who have created in our head that we are above anything on earth, a kind of god, while we are still working the way out of this primitive stage of being. The system in place is the stick in the wheel of progress, we are conservative having the fear of the unknown in terms of the capacity for people to do better without this collar around our neck. We have a long way to go before we can call ourselves civilised and progressive all the way. Will see what is next.
Reform, not revolution, is the best way. Unfortunately under Jinping PRC isnt reforming, its regressing. If his regime goes too far, then revolution becomes more possible little by little as time goes on.
The great cause of the famine was Western propaganda. Dikotter frames his analysis from the perspective that ignores the initial conditions of China and what they achieved through their plight (literacy from 10% to 80% under Mao, radical improvements in healthcare, etc). Dikotter’s figures of 40 or 20 million starving are cyclically referenced (pseudoscientific) and primary sources are *selected* to match the desired conclusion (confirmation bias). The figures are trumpeted because of our *real* qualm over Mao - we were unable to maintain or take control of China. The phrase “Loss of China”’ was in our newspapers frequently in the 1950s, which is telling, as it assumes you have to own something before you can lose it. Regarding deaths, look up the increase in life expectancy from 1950 until 1978 - it rose dramatically from Mao’s reforms, so he saved lives almost radically. If you think about it you have to respect for China successfully fending of western imperialism prior to 1948, a profoundly difficult achievement. Look at the result of the other major regions that failed in this regard (Africa, India, even aboriginal Australia, etc). Respect to Mao and vast bulk of the ordinary population for protecting China from outside interference. Mao also did the forgotten but crucial work of rural health development programmes saving 100 million lives and modernizing architecture which set the conditions to make the industrialisation that followed being possible. Life span increased dramatically, rights of females and literacy increased from 10% to 90% under Mao. Rather than cherry picking setbacks give respect where respect is due.
@@junkscience6397 Mao had a nice head start with leading a country many times as populated as the USSR. In terms of keeping his underlings in a state of fear and terror, no one beats Stalin.
Practical politics implies the effective ability to ignore facts and reality. This was already well understood in the US and Europe. One can refer to the writings of the American journalist Henry Brooks Adams who wrote precisely such remarks, it was around 1907, not just yesterday. We are almost naïve about politics. A politician learn first how to deceive him/herself in order to deceive others, this reality should be understood well, crude and tough to visualised, yet it is an aspect of human behaviour which no one can ignore, to do so is at our own risk to be deceived and even victimised, and this applies to the people at large. So long the vertical power dominates the horizontal magma, we are to be trampled on and lied systematically.
@@AWOL401 it doesn't matter what nationality I may be, I am a human being with a universal mind, at least try to think out of the box into which we, the people, are kept by a ferocious propaganda system. We have a war raging all over the planet, it has different levels, one is the ideological war. If this war prove to be insufficient to dominate public opinion we have the military option, direct and indirectly managed by proxies. It is not what is said in politics that count but what actions take place. The ideological war is raging at the highest level possible, yet, the reality of a capitalist system no longer able to manage the contradictions emerging every single day all over the world, which includes China, means the dominating classes all over the planet act with the most brutal forms of control, the most vicious ones as well. Does it matter from where a different thinking emerges, not at all, so long it adds up to the total resistance to a system which needs to be abolished once and for all. Capitalism as a system had its time of expansion, at great human cost and profond ecological damages it must be said. Now, this system is devouring itself from the inside, taking in the process hundreds of millions of people into abject poverty, destitution, suffering and physical destruction as a final outcome. Does it still matter who write this comment? Certainly not, there are hundreds questions more useful to ask, so far, we are not on the right track, rather going to a dead end.
Your understandings are totally at low level as junior student about the history and society of China. KMT party which consisted and represent by different groups but can't solve the deep problems in society at that time, for example the class caste, land controlled by landlords , and other old rules , ideologies which existed in our society for thousands years. Yes revolution is bloody and we had paid big prices, millions of civilians died, History heritages damaged, but we successfully destroyed the whole old systems, obstacles, and rebuild new rules, wipe out those old ideologies . The potentials of Chinese society can't successfully released without liberation and culture revolution Without the destructions on old systems and societies , there are no possibilities for China to become second world economy and get huge achievements at technologies. Deng's economy reforming and opening policy can't success without Mao's efforts on culture revolution which totally rebuilt our society and people. Myanmar, India , South Africa China………all of them got independence in 1940s-1950s, but Why only China get its economy, technology booming. China's economy is five times of India even we had started at same level. Why?
Well, that is a weird way to think that it could not have been done in ANY other way. Of course, this way of doing it is one way, but what makes you think it is the only way? "China's economy is five times of India even we had started at same level. Why?" Good question. You can compare China also to many other countries, who have done even far better than China. China's economy was doing extremely poorly up to 80's, only after starting to open private businesses and trade with West, copying ideas from the West, it started to boom.
"Deng's economy reforming and opening policy can't success without Mao's efforts on culture revolution which totally rebuilt our society and people." I totally disagree with that. Mao's deliberate starvation of his own peasants in particular was so depraved, it was completely unnecessary. However the whole Maoist system since the communists came to power was a rolling disaster. And some of those mistakes are still rolling. For example the end result of the one child policy is still slowly unfolding: "Yi said. "We will start to see the population decline in 2022, nine years earlier than expected,"" "Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics, wrote last week on his company's website that "the most likely scenario is that slowing productivity growth and a shrinking workforce prevent China ever passing the U.S."" The communists saw it as their right to meddle and interfere with every aspect of their peoples personal lives, whenever it suited them, and things like this rapidly unfolding population crash are the result. PRC needs to reform, but you wont get reform as long as everyone is afraid of Jinping. The problem for Jinping and his regime though, is that PRC depends on the world, and the world is reflecting back data about what is actually happening, and putting more and more trade and market pressure on him, and so he cant just pretend that everythings wonderful forever.
ugh...the mic constantly captures every little sound from the insides of his mouth - every click of the tongue, clenching of the mouth and what sounds like swallowing etc. it is just so off putting that i couldnt pay attention to the lecture. it just sounds like a creep doing asmr, not that his face helps.
yup, agree. EVERYTHING BAD! AMERICA GOOD! CHINESE BAD! Especially Chip Tsao was a huge joke with his comments and laughable questions. No repsect for him with his one-sided view.
It's amazing that Stalin of all people was a moderating influence on Mao.
What a treasure this 1.5 hour presentation and discussion is! Thank you so much to all who made it possible.
I wonder if this lecture would even be permitted in Hong Kong anymore.
This is a very sensitive topic in Hong Kong after June 30 1997.
Fabulous. Thank you!!
Franks books is something that should be read by everyone who condemns the West for their past sins, and compare them with the sins of the CCP under Mao.
Please can you tell us where to get Chinese editions of your trilogy. Thank You.
God bless & I (born in HK under the British colony) to be free from the tyranny! Now bless HongKongers to face it agx!
The British colony itself was bad but their opium monopoly was nice and prevented the spread of heroin. 👌
Great talk, I am used to hearing Western audiences ask questions, interesting to see some overlap with Hong Kongers
the beauty of Hong Kong. . .
I think he is a quietly heroic figure. And it bought him quite a lot of time to write and get his message out there. Of course now, with the tightening of security, nationalism, and hardlinerism under Jinping that has been squashed to a large extent, but he did good work.
very informative and illuminating this lecture is . The so-called liberation is ironic . As a matter of fact, the history has turned back one page and a kind of draconian tyranny was restored . China got again isolated from the civilized world in 1949 and barbarism prevailed domestically .
@@broquestwarsneeder7617 ...and all that accomplished with only 40-60 millions killed.....Slava!
@@pdd60absorbed12 not to mention, you know, an independent chinese state which makes the world shit its pants, not to mention how many people died under capitalism which nobody even knows, not to mention the fact that you're dumb lol, read a book, little homie
Kevin Joe without Mao China still a fedualistic. Will like India.
I have been told by someone that the North East was initially offered to KMT. Although it isn't a big secret that both Russian and Chinese communists have much greater influence in the entire Northern part of China. This includes the present day inner Mongolia and Mongolia. KMT's main forces were in China proper and stretched all the way to South Western part of China.
How many CCP agents asking loaded 'questions'? Such cool from the Professor.
Sounds like this is describing 2020
Save Taiwan! FreeTibet! Deport Chinese here who are defensive and ignore us is if we ask about their culture or pretend they don't understand question.
I read this book and I don't know whether to believe it or not. His graphic description of things seems a little over the top and too fake to be believable.
The truth hurts when it’s explained in detail, when you’re Chinese
He had access to party archives during Hu Jintao's time.
Only people whove also read the book good give you a good answer i think.
Reality is often crueler than people like to think about, much less admit when it happens in their own backyard. I suggest doing some reading on the gulags under Stalin or the devastation Pol Pot brought to his people. For a change of scenery, look into ancient Mayan sacrificial rituals. All quite brutal.
Speak Chinese well, this helps those who investigate Chinese history. Few from the outside of China itself are close enough to know deep enough the flesh and blood of Chinese history. As for the archives, one can be sceptical about the true veracity of what they appear to indicate, they are localised and do not reflect the entire situation under consideration about this period. A reasonable exposé of this period nevertheless, one more brick on the edifice of Chinese history, and it is only the beginning, what come next will have a different interpretation of history with different interpretations, will see, or at least those who will live long enough to see it happening.
You wrote so many words and didn’t say a damn thing.
36 = hundred flowers campaign
1:04:40 someone ripping a gigantic fart.
Mao's revenge.
It is illigal to own this video in hon Kong now
18.00
If the speaker cannot say anything about modern China, it is not difficult to understand the reality of today. During the time of Deng Xiaoping, an open-door approach to courting foreign investment, the CCP had imposed only one political requirement on capitalists penetrating China, it was that foreign companies must permit the establishment of branches of the official All-China Trade Union Confederation in their factories, so that the state controlled trade unions can effectively police working class opposition to the regime. This is not difficult to work out, no needs of archives. Following his active political career he, that is Deng Xiaoping, made sure of the transformation of the Chinese Communist Party from an organisation based on the working class working for the liberation from the capitalist grip and its practice of imperialism into an organisation which is the principal instrument for the development of capitalism in China and the suppression of the working class as a political force. In fact, Tiananmen Square massacre was the green light for foreign investors to be reassured that their investments wouldn’t be threatened by a Chinese popular uprising with revolutionary intends. As a result of such policies, some 200 millions workers and peasants abandoned the provinces of the interior in search of jobs and better living standards in the booming coastal areas. Now, the gap between the cities and the rural areas is so wide that the people cannot identify as a one country, more like two different worlds. None of the problems which confronted China in the various periods of the 20th century have been overcome, in appearance it seems to the contrary, yet, deep down the contradictions have amplified but in different forms, compounded with the massive problems of ecological dilemmas that didn’t exist at the time. The people are still to liberate themselves from the vertical power, an oppressive power bent to control at any cost the aspirations of the greatest majority which has no say in decision making and so far are victimised by most of them. This doesn’t mean that the capitalist world is doing better, not at all, same problems of a cast at the top of the masses who dictate unacceptable rules and regulations, using the political structures to do so. Be in the United States or China or anywhere else, we are still to liberate ourselves from the shackles of capitalism, often hidden under other denominations such as communism, socialism and any isme one can create. We are still very primitive creatures of the animal kingdom who have created in our head that we are above anything on earth, a kind of god, while we are still working the way out of this primitive stage of being. The system in place is the stick in the wheel of progress, we are conservative having the fear of the unknown in terms of the capacity for people to do better without this collar around our neck. We have a long way to go before we can call ourselves civilised and progressive all the way. Will see what is next.
Reform, not revolution, is the best way. Unfortunately under Jinping PRC isnt reforming, its regressing. If his regime goes too far, then revolution becomes more possible little by little as time goes on.
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The great cause of the famine was Western propaganda. Dikotter frames his analysis from the perspective that ignores the initial conditions of China and what they achieved through their plight (literacy from 10% to 80% under Mao, radical improvements in healthcare, etc). Dikotter’s figures of 40 or 20 million starving are cyclically referenced (pseudoscientific) and primary sources are *selected* to match the desired conclusion (confirmation bias). The figures are trumpeted because of our *real* qualm over Mao - we were unable to maintain or take control of China. The phrase “Loss of China”’ was in our newspapers frequently in the 1950s, which is telling, as it assumes you have to own something before you can lose it. Regarding deaths, look up the increase in life expectancy from 1950 until 1978 - it rose dramatically from Mao’s reforms, so he saved lives almost radically. If you think about it you have to respect for China successfully fending of western imperialism prior to 1948, a profoundly difficult achievement. Look at the result of the other major regions that failed in this regard (Africa, India, even aboriginal Australia, etc). Respect to Mao and vast bulk of the ordinary population for protecting China from outside interference. Mao also did the forgotten but crucial work of rural health development programmes saving 100 million lives and modernizing architecture which set the conditions to make the industrialisation that followed being possible. Life span increased dramatically, rights of females and literacy increased from 10% to 90% under Mao. Rather than cherry picking setbacks give respect where respect is due.
My dictator is more horrid than your dictator!
Gotta love the one-upmanship...
Stalin was a sadist, but sheer numbers, nobody beats Mao. Hands down the most murderous tyrant in human history...
@@junkscience6397 Mao had a nice head start with leading a country many times as populated as the USSR. In terms of keeping his underlings in a state of fear and terror, no one beats Stalin.
I hate Mao
30 = 2.2
Practical politics implies the effective ability to ignore facts and reality. This was already well understood in the US and Europe. One can refer to the writings of the American journalist Henry Brooks Adams who wrote precisely such remarks, it was around 1907, not just yesterday. We are almost naïve about politics. A politician learn first how to deceive him/herself in order to deceive others, this reality should be understood well, crude and tough to visualised, yet it is an aspect of human behaviour which no one can ignore, to do so is at our own risk to be deceived and even victimised, and this applies to the people at large. So long the vertical power dominates the horizontal magma, we are to be trampled on and lied systematically.
You’re not a native English speaker I take it? Are you Chinese?
@@AWOL401 it doesn't matter what nationality I may be, I am a human being with a universal mind, at least try to think out of the box into which we, the people, are kept by a ferocious propaganda system. We have a war raging all over the planet, it has different levels, one is the ideological war. If this war prove to be insufficient to dominate public opinion we have the military option, direct and indirectly managed by proxies. It is not what is said in politics that count but what actions take place. The ideological war is raging at the highest level possible, yet, the reality of a capitalist system no longer able to manage the contradictions emerging every single day all over the world, which includes China, means the dominating classes all over the planet act with the most brutal forms of control, the most vicious ones as well. Does it matter from where a different thinking emerges, not at all, so long it adds up to the total resistance to a system which needs to be abolished once and for all. Capitalism as a system had its time of expansion, at great human cost and profond ecological damages it must be said. Now, this system is devouring itself from the inside, taking in the process hundreds of millions of people into abject poverty, destitution, suffering and physical destruction as a final outcome. Does it still matter who write this comment? Certainly not, there are hundreds questions more useful to ask, so far, we are not on the right track, rather going to a dead end.
Your understandings are totally at low level as junior student about the history and society of China.
KMT party which consisted and represent by different groups but can't solve the deep problems in society at that time, for example the class caste, land controlled by landlords , and other old rules , ideologies which existed in our society for thousands years.
Yes revolution is bloody and we had paid big prices, millions of civilians died, History heritages damaged, but we successfully destroyed the whole old systems, obstacles, and rebuild new rules, wipe out those old ideologies .
The potentials of Chinese society can't successfully released without liberation and culture revolution
Without the destructions on old systems and societies , there are no possibilities for China to become second world economy and get huge achievements at technologies.
Deng's economy reforming and opening policy can't success without Mao's efforts on culture revolution which totally rebuilt our society and people.
Myanmar, India , South Africa China………all of them got independence in 1940s-1950s, but Why only China get its economy, technology booming.
China's economy is five times of India even we had started at same level. Why?
Brainwashed by the CCP ^
Well, that is a weird way to think that it could not have been done in ANY other way. Of course, this way of doing it is one way, but what makes you think it is the only way?
"China's economy is five times of India even we had started at same level. Why?"
Good question. You can compare China also to many other countries, who have done even far better than China. China's economy was doing extremely poorly up to 80's, only after starting to open private businesses and trade with West, copying ideas from the West, it started to boom.
@@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20 they are just here to up their social credit score, don’t expect logical rational.
"Deng's economy reforming and opening policy can't success without Mao's efforts on culture revolution which totally rebuilt our society and people."
I totally disagree with that.
Mao's deliberate starvation of his own peasants in particular was so depraved, it was completely unnecessary. However the whole Maoist system since the communists came to power was a rolling disaster. And some of those mistakes are still rolling. For example the end result of the one child policy is still slowly unfolding:
"Yi said. "We will start to see the population decline in 2022, nine years earlier than expected,""
"Mark Williams, chief Asia economist at Capital Economics, wrote last week on his company's website that "the most likely scenario is that slowing productivity growth and a shrinking workforce prevent China ever passing the U.S.""
The communists saw it as their right to meddle and interfere with every aspect of their peoples personal lives, whenever it suited them, and things like this rapidly unfolding population crash are the result.
PRC needs to reform, but you wont get reform as long as everyone is afraid of Jinping. The problem for Jinping and his regime though, is that PRC depends on the world, and the world is reflecting back data about what is actually happening, and putting more and more trade and market pressure on him, and so he cant just pretend that everythings wonderful forever.
ugh...the mic constantly captures every little sound from the insides of his mouth - every click of the tongue, clenching of the mouth and what sounds like swallowing etc. it is just so off putting that i couldnt pay attention to the lecture. it just sounds like a creep doing asmr, not that his face helps.
Hongkong style propaganda about CCP
The sources (CCP's own archives) are referenced in the book. If speaking the truth is propaganda then.....?
yup, agree. EVERYTHING BAD! AMERICA GOOD! CHINESE BAD!
Especially Chip Tsao was a huge joke with his comments and laughable questions. No repsect for him with his one-sided view.