Wildfowling: The 3 1/2 Shotgun Cartridge
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- Jonny and the Langstone wildfowlers are back, with another installment of the 'Wildfowling' series.
This time we have a look at the 3 1/2" shotgun cartridge, where it came froma nd what its capable of.
Brilliant, not keen on the music though. It’s a bit distracting
We will lose that next time
In the US we can still use lead shot on upland birds in, so long as they aren't in a wetland area. We must use steel on all waterfowl, but oddly enough, not on doves. Unless you live in California. Then it's steel shot for everything unless you're shooting clays.
Federal ammunition had the first steel 3 1/2 in 12 guage loads and Mossburg had the firs 3 1/2 inch 12 on the market
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Hi John ,just a small point ,when in the scenario of conversation with one or more people ,may I dare suggest the non use of background music ,as the audio quality is suffering because of it.
Regards.
That was very interesting, ta!!
A pleasure GG
Lunacy to use lead 7.5 shot on pheasants? I know people who would say the same about using steel 3s on long range canadas!Have a little perspective!
Do you use 7.5 pheasant Wayne?
Probably not too much, but I know a lot that do. They are used a lot on .410 driven days, where I believe a denser pattern wins (think 16-18gm 5/6 vs 18gm 7/7.5). For the record, I use 28gm 7 or 7.5 for 95% of my pigeon shooting.
It would have been hilarious if the camera panned over and we actually see a guy playing the piano.
Now all we need is a bio-degradable wad for steel. The Blair Government also signed up for a reduction in lead emissions, just before the lead shot ban. The study done by Palmer & Evans on "The effect of lead on an inter-tidal ecosystem" on Lindisfarne is well worth a read as it disproves many myths about the harm caused by lead shot. BASC never mentioned the Palmer & Evans study in discussions with the government and thus did great harm to the shooting fraternity!
be curious to know the shot column dynamics of a 12ga 3.5 load vs the equivalent load in 10ga. I suspect the shot sting would be considerably longer.
Here in the states, steel shot was mandated in 1981....and only for the 12 gauge. We could use lead in any other gauges until 1984. Then steel was mandated for all gauges for waterfowl hunting. '82 and '83 saw a lot of use for the 20, 16, and 10's, as we could still use lead shot in those gauges. I was using 10 gauge 2 7/8ths at the time. In fact, I still use the 2 7/8ths loaded with bismuth.
I have to load my own, as the 2 7/8ths has been obsolete since the mid 80's
Steel pellets need to be bigger to equal the carry energy of lead. When it is big you lose pattern density as bigger pellets take up more room. So to get a greater number of big pellets the 12 gauge shell was lengthened to carry the larger load.
Tungsten is heavier than lead so pellets can be made smaller and pattern density is greater. And a 3 inch shell in a 12 gauge is sufficient. Even a 3 inch 20 gauge can hold 1 1/2 ounces of tungsten and be deadly on Big Canadian Geese at distances equal to the 12 gauge sufficiently loaded. Expensive but makes smaller gauges work as well to drop the biggest waterfowl.
Us Yankees have Balistics Products over here. I can get 2 oz steel10 gauge loads at over 1200 fps with their products. I have an over/under chambered for 3 1/2, those loads work wonderfully on big western canadas. My only gripe is the white over shot wads that drop out about 20 feet away. Bits of white around the blind don't help. Range is a very big deal with this gun and load, if it's in range, it's usually crumpling, if it's outside the range, it's not effective at all. I haven't patterned, but I suspect it's loss of velosity rather than patchy pattern. That gun is too heavy for shooting ducks though, it's slow for a hard flying bluebill, forget it with a teal. I drop back to my 3 inch 12 for most duck hunting.
In New Zealand 10 gauge is the largest that can be used for managed wildfowl , Canada geese and now out of this with no restrictions, so an 8 , 6 or 4 bore would be an interesting goose gun here
Improve the sound quality or get rid of the background music / piano…. ( apart from that I very much enjoy the channel)
what is a good load size for 3 1/2" length, shot size 1 please. is 42g good or t much? thanks
I would love to know what loads these guys are using and watch them make box.
Great subject but the music is too invasive as it has been in this series . It might help if you went with Individual mikes and a lower background track. A decent mike oh and I don't mean Yardley is what you have been lacking for a long time only saying great job otherwise .
Too, many, commas,,,,,,,,,
Try that - all in 1 Breath !.
I agree on the mics issue. Hard to decide on which route to take without over complicating what we do.
The other thing to remember of course is that you target audience being shooters are probably Half deaf to start with . I know I am after near fifty years of Bang bang .
Also lead shot here in the states is not illegal for pheasant hunting or ground hunting. Only when you are hunting around water you are demanded to use steel shot
I'm that guy you love to hate was going to write the same comment
True, except that in California non toxic shot will be required everywhere next year. Did I hear him say that in 1918 in the US pumps were outlawed?
These guys are great, and I'm sure they'd be fun to spend a day shooting with,
I don't believe I know anyone with a 10 gauge, but I'm aware they are legal in most areas.
punts were outlawed i believe. Looking forward to going our wildfowling with these guys later in the year.
The Gun Shop In the United States, this practice and use of punt guns depleted stocks of wild waterfowl and by the 1860s most states had banned the practice.
Here in the UK in 1995 survey showed fewer than 50 active punt guns still in use. The Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981limits punt guns in England and Wales, and in Scotland, to a bore diameter of 1.75 inches (44 mm) (1 1/8 pounder).
ah. I had to look up punt guns. Banned a hundred years ago. No wonder I hadn't heard of them. Once in a while the accents go over my head, but then my own is pretty rough.
We got rid of punt guns, 4's and 8's because they were mostly associated with Market Hunting here in the states. Market hunting pretty much drove many of our native species to the brink of extinction, and waterfowl was no exception. So when they were laying the foundations for what we consider the North American model of Conservation. The basics of the Model evaluate the Goal number of a species and used ratio of opportunity and Efficacy to determine Means of take, how much opportunity there will be and season length. Here in the States and Canada our wild life is considered a public resource and is managed for an equal and open opportunity by the public at large. This was a very important part of why the early attempts at legislation passed was because it kept harvesting game as a ordinary guy very accessible via public land and public opportunity. It meant that hunting was still an everyday thing anyone could go do if they had access to land. We were pretty cavalier in what we were restricting as far as Efficacy is concerned because of how much focus we provided on the opportunity side of the equation. Another aspect to garner insight to why we banned punt guns was how it was possible to Go over on your limit in one shot if the stars aligned and you were that good with one.
Just getting into the sport. I have no family history with the hunting. List of things you think you know and don't is crazy lol.
The big bore were outlawed do to market hunting and due to fair chase. We have a much better view on conservation compared to you brits
Just a small note lead shot as restricted in the u.s. for waterfowl hunting pretty much everywhere and only in certain places you can't use it for for other types of birds for example I'm in Florida and the Osceola turkey hunt over here is always done with lead shot other places that have Dove and and grouse and other birds are also shot with LED shot
No lead is only banned in water fowling! Have y’all talked to any Americans seems to be a clear lack of understanding
They're English and I have a hard time understanding them.... wtf was all that?
Mossberg developed the first 3 1/2 inch shell in the pump 835
Another great video . Do the guys use gun dogs to retrieve birds from the water and if so , which breeds do they prefer ?
We have just started planning for a whole gundog series, i know its not gun related, but something we are passionate about all the same!
I've been water fowling in the USA since before steel became mandatory for ducks and geese and in the beginning steel was worthless, it took about ten years for the steel to catch up with the killing power of lead, New buffered shot column loads are good humane shells. We do not have to chase crippled birds like we had to at first. The 3.5' shells are pretty much for goose or turkey. 2.75" #4 steel works fine over decoys and 3" #3's for spookier longer range shots on larger ducks. Lead is still allowed for upland shooting Pheasants, quail, chukker and grouse in most areas as long as it doesn't butt up against wetlands. By waiting to make it mandatory in Great Brittan you have missed out on the bad years of steel.
Great video!! Loving the Wildfowling series!
I have not and probably will never shoot 3 1/2" shells for waterfowl, 3 in shells are plenty. I use 2 shot for most of the year but will bump up to 1 shot late in the year. I think the 3 1/2" shell has kinda lost it's luster with many hunters here in the states.
Any reason why?
The Gun Shop I am able to cleanly kill with 3 in shells, 2 shot gives me great versatility between shooting big geese and ducks and performs well. Also I want birds in my decoys not shooting them at 60+ yards and keeping the 3 1/2 at home helps keep me in the mindset to be more ethical with my shit selection and resist the far shots than often times just wound birds. Everyone used to want to shoot 3 1/2 because like you said they wanted the biggest baddest thing in waterfowl but it didn't take long to figure out all we were doing is just beating our shoulders up.
I like my 3 1/2 for geese and Turkey.
Bring these guys back again
hi jonny would you do a video on home loading could be very intresting cheers mitch
Not sure the Police would be too happy with us for it.
Why? It's perfectly legal to show it.
Good video 👍
Too much rubbish being spouted! Sorry!
Opinions can differ Wayne, but we would be glad to have a sit down and discuss them if you like!
Hi Wayne, It`s always good to get feedback. Can I ask which bits you specifically thought were rubbish?
If I watch it again I will make notes.
The biggest reason why the 10 bore or 10 gauge as we know it here in the states. Is dead. Because they 12 Gage three and a half shell will do the job of a 10 gauge. Lighter gun cheaper ammo. That is why the 10 gauge is dead here in the states.
Can you get 1 3/4oz BB steel in a 3 1/2" 12 case?
Wayne Motty no 1 1/2 Oz you can
That is my point! You can in a ten!
Wayne Motty a quarter of an ounce is not going to make that much of a difference buddy. That is why the 10 gauge is dead that's my point
Well, it's certainly alive and well in the UK.
My dad uses 28gram of 7 1/2 for pheasant
matt BLANCHFLOWER 7.5 is to light for pheasant. Yes it will kill em but it will prick a hell of a lot of em to. No. 5 shot for pheasant when there high. Any other time no.6 nothing smaller.
TOP DOG that's what I tell him!
I use that combination for pheasants occasionally. It will kill them at 40 yards.
You are talking rubbish.