@@Red_alpaca He can use his magic to get rid of it. The virus is weak to fire, guess what Bowser breathes? Bowser has Party Cleanse, which removes any negative stats from his party. Bowser can just wish it away with the Dreamstone and Star Rod. King Boo can trap any infected into his dimension or into a painting. Kamek can turn any infected into harmless flip-flops and bricks
23:29 Dry Bowser is actually canon, remember from earlier that Boomstick said that Bowser can reanimate his own skeleton. Dry Bowser's first appearance was in New Super Mario Bros DS, when Bowser fell into some Super Lava/Magma, he became Dry Bowser and he was still alive in this state before being taken down by Mario. Only then a little bit later in the game, Bowser Jr. help his father by throwing his skeleton into a magic cauldron that brought him back good as new.
Those scenes were so nostalgic. I thought the fact that Bowser could just survive in a skeleton form after a lava bath only to be resurrected was the coolest thing. So yeah, I smiled instantly (a part of it a sad smile) when Dry Bowser was revealed.
There's also the fact that Bowser did fall in Lava for a boss fight in Mario Party, but only when his hp is at half. The remaining half is dealing against Dry Bowser
@@NeoAnimations-qk8cq"In New Super Mario Bros., Bowser becomes Dry Bowser when he falls into lava after being defeated in World 1. He later appears as the boss of World 8- Castle; here, Dry Bowser appears in a room at the end, where he drops in from the ceiling and falls apart, before reassembling and beginning to fight Mario"
@@BritBox777 Dying in Death Battle is only considered if the character has no means of immediate return or post-mortem attack, Bowser has both meaning you'd need to destroy Dry Bowser to _really_ win. If a character is known to come back as a ghost or reanimated-dead in their home-universe, that transformation counts as still being alive because they can still fight and potentially recover from that state.
The only reason I asked is because things can be shown in games but not canon to the actual story. Like the players POV can be different than official canon if that makes sense
@@SonicHubYTI get what you mean but yes Dry Bowser is canon. He was shown first in Super Mario Bros DS as a boss. Later on in Super Mario Bros Wii 2, he shows up in his Dry Bowser state
@SonicHubYT Pretty sure that's just a Sonic thing between the two. Mario seems to take anything within a game released by Nintendo or with their blessing as canon, while Sonic canon tends to fly fast and loose.
Bowser has become Dry Bowser in mainline and Party while he has existed in the RPG series as well. There's actually also a canonical reason that both Bowser and Dry Bowser can exist. Bowser has 1 relative, who is dead and is perpetually a reincarnated corpse.@@SonicHubYT
Characterization of Bowser caring for his minions is fantastic Holds them in place to protect them from infinite Gets the classic "dad power boost" when jr gets hurt Stands in front of the SUPER DEATH LAZER to protect his minions Shows why hes the king
Bowser Vs Metal Sonic was animated spectacularly, but kinda weird how Metal just died midway through and the fight didn't stop? But really, the fight was mostly Bowser vs Metal Sonic as Metal Sonic was HARD carrying Eggman's throughout the whole fight. While Infinite ironically played HIMSELF, he raised the gravity which King Boo took advantage of to create a Thwomp to crush him even further with the raised gravity. And fun fact, it’s confirmed by MORØ (the animator of this episode's fight) that Infinite didn’t die, just left to wallow in self-pity as a disgrace. When Sage fired the laser from the Death Egg Bowser VERY easily could've avoided the attack if he wanted to, but he didn't, he CHOSE to protect his army (and Orbot and Cubot by extension unintentionally as they're seen at the end) while Eggman had ZERO hesitation in abandoning his own troops to get annihilated, and that meant in the end it was just him. And even if Bowser DID die, because of Bowser's sacrifice Eggman would still need to deal with Junior, Kamek, and most of Bowser’s army alone. I also really like the detail that Bowser LEADS the charge of his army while Eggman HIDES behind his army, and the loyalty of Bowser's minions is FURTHER emphasized in the Mario and Luigi games being a lesson Kamek constantly tries to teach Junior in the Bowser Jr's Journey segment of the Bowser's Inside Story remake; "Think about it. The minions ADORE Lord Bowser. If he so wished, they would jump through fire or into the deepest ocean. Now, what do you think inspires that devotion? Do they simply dear him? No, it's much more powerful than that. Only love and admiration can inspire such loyalty" Some more little details I really like from the episode; how Metal IMMEDIATELY goes Neo after realizing what Chance Time did (accurate to anyone with Mario Party experience), how Metal and Sage look genuinely happy when Eggman praised and encouraged them and how Metal and Sage are the ONLY ones in the Eggman empire to ACTIVELY try and protect Eggman (Metal moved the Death Egg Robot out of the way so he could protect Eggman) Bowser's army is FAR from a pushover, it's an army of turtles that can spit fire, shoot ice, throw heavy objects, shake the ground, fly, etc, walking bombs, robots that explode, flying magic users, near-upstoppable bullets, ghosts, the literal undead (Dry Bones) and walking mushrooms, for starters. Not to mention he has a fleet of airships armed with heavy cannons that can drop his forces wherever he needs to. The ONLY reason we see him constantly lose is because Mario is just built different. Plus, Mario and Bowser are both Star Children, seven babies (the others being Luigi, DK, Wario, Peach and Yoshi) that possess, as Kamek states in Yoshi's Island DS, "an extraordinary amount of power." Dry Bowser IS canon and made its first appearance was in New Super Mario Bros DS. Bowser is capable of cheating death and pull random bs out of his ass like flying in 3D world or the black hole generator in Galaxy. Eggman CAN beat him but Bowser will get back up/come back with magic bs. Bowser just needs to get close to Eggman and there's little he can do to fight back. It's also kinda funny how Orbot and Cubot LIVED until the end; they outlived their own boss, stole the Phantom Ruby from a Chargin' Chuck AND fought off the Elite Trio, doesn't abandon the battle like a lot of Eggman's robots when their boss uses the Death Egg laser, left the battle unscathed and most notably they catfished Bowser.
If you look clearly, metal sonic didn’t die to bowser, he died because his back hurt too much from carrying the entire eggman team. In all seriousness he ran probably outta rings and lost the super form lol.
That's an underrated aspect of this fight, much like in real life, an army thats dedicated to their leader and loyal to their cause is much harder to defeat than one that has no choice in being there. If it came down to just the goons on both sides, Bowser would still take it in the end.
Stuff like this makes me want more Super Mario Bros Z, that series really showed off what Sonic and Shadow could do when thrown into the Mario universe.
Honestly I thought eggman was gonna win. But then I remember the time bowser designed a DARK MATTER PLANT and all his busted powers, along with a loyal army and then yeah bowser won this one.
@@nathanbardol1236 Some people said that they did make Infinite accurate as possible to Sonic Forces. Shows up, has a banger line, did one cool trick and dies.
to put into context how busted paper mario scaling can get and why it's important. The paper mario verse itself is consistently complex multi, but get this- that entire complex multiverse...exists inside a single book in the main series. A SINGLE BOOK IN THE MAIN VERSE IS AN ENTIRE COMPLEX MULTIVERSE
@InazaDX you know one chaos emerald holds universes in them with nigh infinite power right? 1 chaos emerald grants wishes and that's just 1, but you seem to not know much about sonic so this will fall on deaf ears
@KMAXfr when is that ever said in a sonic game And I don't think it really matters, the name dream stone should be enough to tell that it does whatever the hell you want it to do
Eggman was carried by his army. Bowser carried and protected his. He even used the 1-ups given by the coins at the end to revive everyone that was taken out.
As much as I glaze Sonic The Hedgehog, I knew from the jump Bowser was winning. Unlike the 2018 version of Mario Versus Sonic, Death Battle actually did their research for Bowser Versus Eggman.
One thing Death Battle got wrong was that they said that Eggman Nega was apart of Eggman's family, when he is actually just Eggman from the Sol dimension. Shadow the Hedgehog, on the other hand, is related to Eggman.
Mario and Sonic would stomp both Armies together they are more like Friends and they know how to beat their enemy and Fans have done their own fan series of Bowser and Eggman Teaming up even Nintendo even did it in the Winter Olympic Video game for the DS.
Reminder death battle doesn't go by if you die. it's if you can no longer fight. And Bowser can fight lomg after death. And even if he couldn't fight anymore, the army would still fight for him.
@@AlexSleepyLemur Indeed. So even if a character was truly immortal, then trapping them somewhere they can’t escape from or mind-wiping them would be viable win conditions. Also lets all the “technically” dead/undead characters participate.
@raiwserkoopa2221 it still doesn't make sense tho Because Dry bowser iirc has had 2 canon mainline appearances One in one of the NSMB games and the other in super Mario 3d land The only time we've seen bowser become dry bowser is because of Kamek turning him into it, it's not a naturally occurring phenomena, that's why I think bowser winning (or at least surviving the tractor beam)was a little bit of an asspull - Kamek got punched into next Tuesday by Neo Metal, there should be no way for him to turn into dry bowser on his own
@@thatkidonmodernwarfare2446 bowser jr's journey in the remake of bowser's inside story. you see him there too at the end of the game. I know so much about bowser, because i am a hardcore bowser fan, so, lot's of research. i need to touch grass more often :)
@@raiwserkoopa2221 ah alright I haven't played the rpg spinoffs - they just don't interest me. I still think the koopa army just having the grandmaster star on standby is bullshit (most of bowsers MOST impressive feats they described were from conditional items that he can't just use whenever he wants) but I'll accept that at least
@@ZER0O9 that's actually not true, just a theory. king boo even works with bowser in paper jam. even if bowser somehow died, he could just be revived like what happened in mario bros for the ds
Think your really under selling Bowser's army. Most of Eggmans bots can be matched by somthing in Bowser's troops. Koopas, Goombas, and Shyguys are on par with Eggman's smaller badniks like the ladybugs, bees, or monkeys. And Charging Chucks, Hammer Bros, and Magic Koops could take Eggpawn tiers. DeathEgg bots would be the hardest to deal with, but Banzi Bill fire and all the magic abilities of Kamek, the Kooplings, Bowser Jr, and King Boo could handle them. Metal Sonic is the only one Eggman has who can't be rivaled by any of Bowser's goons. Not at his best anyway.
no, the eye test is that Bowser's winning. this is fictional characters, an army with significantly more varied character designs is almost always going to have far more powers and abilities to contend with. Eggman's side was just groups of identical footsoldiers
Yeah, it was basically Magic vs Technology. Like, Super Neo is ridiculously powerful. But Bowser could literally just wish him away with the Dream Stone. Like... Yeah just a little OP. As to why Bowser didn't just do so against Mario and Luigi? Plot armour.
I mean, given what we’ve seen of Infinite, he does fumble hard with the level of power he has quite a bit. At least in this fight, they actually made it a bit more clever with how King Boo got the drop on him (pun intended).
@@Frost_RBX the reason is since the phantom ruby increases gravity and King Boo isn’t affected by it and thus he made a thwomp which slams down..but since the gravity is increased,it causes an issue for infinite
i dont think you give mario and sonic enough credit, if gained access to ALL of their potential arsenal, the duo could EASILY mop the floor with bowser and eggman's army. most games restrict their arsenal, which is why they seem weaker. but when given access to like, everything they can do, mario and sonic are both wayyy stronger then you would think. ignoring the fact mario has the literal "i can kill whatever i want" star power in abundance, looking at his rpg abilities alone he's got some crazy attacks.
True Sonic fans knew that Eggman was gonna lose from a mile away. Sorry, but Bowser is just a TANK and it's questionable if Mario himself can take Bowser down for good. The Sonic series just has not achieved the level of scaling that the Mario games have. But just a reminder, that characters are not more or less cool just because they won/lost a fight. Even if Eggman loses, this was the perfect excuse to see him and his army in the thick of some action. Hell, Metal Sonic has had more justice in this battle than Sega has given him in TWENTY YEARS!! Instead of focusing on the fact that Eggman lost, it's better to appreciate the good fight that the doctor put up!
Sonic has just as good scaling as Mario tfym???? And yea I see that eggman lost but wtf?? A super form being forcefully taken out by another being that can't use any type of chaos energy??? I just don't get it
Considering Eggman can create time machines (Sonic 06) means he wins either by rewinding time to prepare for the battle beforehand, or send Bowser to another time in the distant past/future. The fact they did not even mention this OP Eggman ability, means that their case was clearly biased towards Bowser.
@@raiwserkoopa2221 Bowser is just more cartoony... Eggman is more grounded in reality and can't just wish for dreams or things... and that's why this whole battle is really just goofy. It's like pitting Kirby against Master Chief, and saying that Kirby wins in every scenario because he will swallow all the weapons that Master Chief has.
@ Ok, but Bowser gets cartoon dream powers out of nowhere. Eggman, on the other hand, has to use science and his genuis to create something by himself; not just wish it or dream it.
Dry Bowser is a very strange example to go for when trying to argue for gameplay elements not being canon lol. It's always very obvious when something like that isn't, so the comments in the video about Dry Bowser just come across as random saltyness
From what I’ve heard, Infinite rapidly increased gravity. So utilizing a Thwomp, a giant rock monster that weaponizes gravity, I feel is the best counter 😅
in the actual fight, eggman would def plan ahead for a ton of stuff that happened. hed see shit coming from miles away (never mind i dont watch death fight often ignore this 💀)
@@Digicara64 Here’s the thing though, you can’t plan ahead for what you don’t know. Death Battle rules state that there is no knowledge of each other or preparation time. Bowser has multiple forms with so many abilities that unless Eggman saw it before hand he would have no way to know and prep for it.
@@QuaversYT But Eggman can control time with his time machine (Sonic 06). This mean Eggman can either send himself back in time to prepare for the battle, or simply kick Bowser to another time plane. Death Battle did not even mention this Eggman OP ability and for that the result of the battle are innacurate and im salty because of it lol
This episode was so peak in fact I’d say it’s one of if not the best DB episode. My only criticism is they say it’s so close (which it is. Like it’s literally a 50 - 50) but they failed to show everything Eggman has that makes it close. They glossed over a lot of his stuff yes they mention that both have Multi+ stuff in one of the black boxes but still.
It's honestly just to save budget because that would've been alot to animate. Plus as explained, Wonder Bowser or Dreamy Bowser would just wipe them as well.
The only part that was iffy was the end. If he knocked Eggman in the block, he would have freed the death egg, sage and the emeralds. If only the super emeralds were canon… dope fight for sure
i found a flaw in bowsers win when bowser junior made bowser into furry bowser he shouldent have been able to control it it was the whole point of bowsers furry like bro the point was he got hit with black ink/paint and went wild looseing his state of mind
3:42 For the most part yes but the top tier Koopas troops can keep up with the Badniks at any level and they have far better Teamwork. Like Kamek, King Boo, Koopalings and other bosses. The low level units Badniks win
I’ll admit I was on Bowser’s side here, since Mario is my preferred franchise. But Eggman did put up a good fight, it wasn’t easy for bowser to prevail
Tbf Forces didn’t do much help for Phantom Ruby. The story was just a mess n there explanation of the ruby’s powers made no sense. Eggman only needed the chaos emeralds to help him out which that doesn’t matter with Bowser’s reanimation to Dry Bowser
@@Jorpda well technically it was stated to be stronger than the master emerald which is stronger than the chaos emeralds. In the idw comic eggman said this himself
@@Jorpda well technically it was stated to be stronger than the master emerald which is stronger than the chaos emeralds. In the idw comic eggman said this himself but I see what you mean
Props to DeathBattle for gassing up Metal Sonic and basically showing him solo Bowser and his army and carrying the empire on his back about time Metal gets some respect on his name. If it wasn’t for Jr with his fury pain Neo Metal basically won the whole fight for the Eggman empire This is def a top 3 DeathBattle the animation was a 100/10
I'm not gonna lie this was a pretty unfair battle: number 1 they used everything they mentioned for Bowser but didn't use a lot of things they said for Eggman: 2 idk but I think they used the wrong one for the Lazer the death egg is just a space ship and they didn't use a lot of Eggman robots and they used somethings for Bowser they didn't mention. I have one question how do you mention super egg man and other monsters but u use the weakest things for him. Like imagine being in a fight and u get the weakest things in your army. I'm sorry for whoever disagree but some of these are just facts maybe not idk I just think it's unfair. Why did infinite die so quick that seems unrealistic I saw a video on sonic vs mario on this same channel and they got half of the stuff wrong about sonic (mostly) got stuff wrong about sonic no rings and no TVs to boost him just hyper form and he still lost how does that work? Remember mario is a human he seems not human but he is still human but you should check it out even though its mostly unfair
Yea, Dry Bowser is a thing, the fight was so hype tho, I personally rooted for eggman but this fight did both of them justice. Also Infinite < Thwomp lmao
Yeah Infinite lost really easy but like that should be expected? His whole thing is how the Phantom Ruby is what makes him a threat otherwise he’s weak. Once the ruby’s a non-factor so is Infinite
You say weak but he took on an army of egg robos the same ones that many characters that don't have powers and resort to using wispons use and he did before he even had the ruby not to mention most characters that don't use wispons have powers like sonic to take them out and he only had a sword and small group of allies, but yeah he's weak without the ruby though him losing easy not really that expected.
I don't have a problem with the outcome but why wouldn't they let eggman have all of his mech? I thought we were using both characters at full power but the worse part of this fight is that metal sonic died because he was carrying eggman.
@@davidgarcia5988 fair point about the budget but then again they wasn't really using all of the mechs in the alternate scenarios but that's just being picky. Yeah I get what you are saying tho but I feel like the scaling in sonic is weird because the chaos emeralds are shown to be able to destroy the whole Cosmology of sonic yet there are things stronger than the emeralds like hyper-go-on energy yet sonic is able to beat it in sonic colors in base. Idk but again i don't have a problem with the outcome
@@bryanferratt6598 Dark Gaia is a pain in the ass to wake up and has the issue that it also releases Light Gaia, aka Chip, who is a trump card all on his own.
UNdead. It's an important distinction. He was still able to stand and keep fighting; Eggman could not. Besides, Bowser Jr. can just chuck Dry Bowser's bones into a cauldron and restore his flesh, anyway.
22:35 this could've been easily avoided in two ways: 1. The chaos emeralds are INFINITE chaos energy and power no way a stupid grand-star powered blast could tank the energy of the chaos emeralds if death battle actually DID give mario party feats to bowser and archie feats to eggman that means the chaos emeralds are WAY beyond a grand-star powered blast also metal could've easily just teleported away from the blast. 2. Since death battle stated that metal sonic has copied shadow's power and has learned CHAOS CONTROL metal could've stopped time and prevented himself from dying I swear death battle is so unaccurate
1. I feel like the Grand Star blast was amped by Bowser's Fury (not the form), a mechanic that makes him stronger whenever he's pissed. 2. Bowser has ways to stop time as well and could use Kamek and Boos to steal a Chaos emerald from Super Neo.
@@davidgarcia5988 bro. STILL!!! They gave archie feats to eggman! And the chaos emeralds weren't able to tank one single blast?! 2. At the time bowser charged his blast boo and kamek were dead
@@rayan7840 They didn't use Archie, that was IDW. They stuck with games and media that are canon to the games. If they used Archie Comics for Eggman then it's only fair they give Bowser feats from Mario Kun
Tbh, once they got rid of metal, it was over. Metal was literally carrying the whole fight, ince they super form ran out and metal got destroyed, i had a feeling it was over, i knew bowser woupdnt die to the beam becaus eh can come bsck as a skeleton and i called hiw bowser was gonna win but i was hopeing metal couldve carried them to a win. I said that eggmsn was ginns hit bowser with some big beam or smth, think he won, bowswr ould comeback as dry bowser and kill him.
I mean... Yeah! If Bowser and his entire army attacked Mario at once, i am absolutely sure Mario wouldn't be able to handle it! Same thing for the Eggman empire against Sonic. The context of how Mario and Sonic are able to beat their "bosses" is also quite important. They attack castle per castle, zone per zone, defeating them bit by bit, not in a singular huge battle.
I dont care that eggman lost, i care about the fact that SUPER neo metal lost. Idk how he was taken out of a super form forcefully while he had his guard up with you know, the whole absolute invulnerability thing?
Tehre is like 200 debunks of this video cuz they really downplayed infinite which yeah I guess he kinda killed himself but that boy durable so idk how the thw op really one shot when even the koopas were resisting the gravity and metal could’ve copied kamiks ability’s and bowser transformations
Anyone else notice how they said 1 Chaos emerald was continent level but in the battle the full powered 7 emerald Death Egg shot barely even makes a crater 🤦🤦🤦 Not only that, Bowser Jr destroyed the whole thing in 1 second 😂
Likely for the same reason the Koopalings didn't show up in the battle despite being mentioned in the analysis. I like to think that they were facing each other offscreen over some secondary objective.
Look i'm a sonic fan but ain't no way that eggman was ever gonna win this, even without bowser using magic he could still get kamek to carry the fight, and while the chaos emeralds do scale to solaris, let's not forget that aside from the stars and grand stars, there are things like star rods, wonder flowers, and possibly even red stars that might give bowser the edge. Metal sonic was pretty busted but lets not forget that bowser could maybe have even mind controlled sage to destroy eggman's entire robot army. And yes, while eggman could also have mind controlled bowser or kamek, the koopa troop has a much more strategic style unlike the badniks, who are focused on aggression. If eggman used the time eater or took bowser to the dream world, bowser could still have used the stars and won, because if the emeralds are as powerful as solaris, the stars all put together could match that power. A single star is much less powerful than a single emerald, but there are only seven emeralds and around 500 stars, grand stars, power moons, or star rods, so it becomes a fairer fight between the two power ups. Both armies could mass produce their minions through cloning, and metal sonic could imitate the magic on the other side, but bowser slightly outhaxes eggman given the number of stars and mario powerups compared to emeralds and sonic powerups, and bowser has greater physical strength than any of eggman's minions, so he could probably take out a majority of the opposing army by himself. Not to mention that kamek and others could use magic to transfigure the spacial displacement trap, and bowser could have just hid away in a flying castle if his entire army got turned into zombots, sit back and watch the metal virus turn on eggman, or created an effect similar to the warp topaz with his magic. Bowser could steal the phantom ruby with kamek and use it against eggman, he could turn into cat bowser, he could use 1-ups to revive his fallen troops or use a double cherry to mass produce them, also Jr's paintbrush is broken, allowing for mass battlefield control. Even without king boo's magic, bowser could have stolen the phantom ruby from infinite and punted him to the moon, eliminating the chance of eggman creating more badniks through infinite's illusions, he could have even taken the chaos emeralds. Now granted chance time could also screw bowser over if it gave the wonder flower, the grand stars, the star rods, or the paintbrush to eggman, but bowser could nuke eggman's entire force with some bullet bills (the giant ones) and therefore counter eggman's death egg robots. While eggman could have hit bowser's army with two blasts from the eclipse cannon AND the death egg, and could have pulled out emerl or the E 100 robots, AND chaos, bowser could probably have matched them all with magic, stars, or fury bowser form, and sure emerl and metal sonic is a deadly combo, but bowser could have stalled reinforcements until those two were the only ones leading the charge, and used a blue shell on them. All i'm saying is that while i can be biased, i'm also realistic and the fact of the matter remains that while bowser and eggman have similar hax, bowser's army has more of these hax and also bowser survives being thrown into lava and black holes and exploding suns like it's a normal tuesday. The mario universe has so much more toon force than the sonic universe, they edge the battle out. While mario characters aren't as fast or intelligent, just the sports and the mario party games alone show that they are superhuman, and the majority of them are in smash bros while only sonic is in it. Bowser wins this battle, albeit on a high diff.
THAT WAS AMAZING! Who wins? Eggman Vs Bowser?
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Eggman should've won...
@@Red_alpaca Exactly
@@Shadow91622 like Wth is bowser gonna do when Eggman DUMPS ALL of the metal virus on his army-
@@Red_alpaca
He can use his magic to get rid of it.
The virus is weak to fire, guess what Bowser breathes?
Bowser has Party Cleanse, which removes any negative stats from his party.
Bowser can just wish it away with the Dreamstone and Star Rod.
King Boo can trap any infected into his dimension or into a painting.
Kamek can turn any infected into harmless flip-flops and bricks
@@davidgarcia5988 uhh i don't think zombot bowser would be able to do that
23:29 Dry Bowser is actually canon, remember from earlier that Boomstick said that Bowser can reanimate his own skeleton. Dry Bowser's first appearance was in New Super Mario Bros DS, when Bowser fell into some Super Lava/Magma, he became Dry Bowser and he was still alive in this state before being taken down by Mario. Only then a little bit later in the game, Bowser Jr. help his father by throwing his skeleton into a magic cauldron that brought him back good as new.
And kamek did magic too but he can't just pull off the form on his own which is what I'm confused about
Those scenes were so nostalgic. I thought the fact that Bowser could just survive in a skeleton form after a lava bath only to be resurrected was the coolest thing. So yeah, I smiled instantly (a part of it a sad smile) when Dry Bowser was revealed.
There's also the fact that Bowser did fall in Lava for a boss fight in Mario Party, but only when his hp is at half. The remaining half is dealing against Dry Bowser
@@NeoAnimations-qk8cq"In New Super Mario Bros., Bowser becomes Dry Bowser when he falls into lava after being defeated in World 1. He later appears as the boss of World 8- Castle; here, Dry Bowser appears in a room at the end, where he drops in from the ceiling and falls apart, before reassembling and beginning to fight Mario"
@@NeoAnimations-qk8cq good thing its an army battle then
Dry Bowser is indeed canon. His first appearance is in “New Super Mario Bros” he is even revived to regular bowser during the final boss fight.
You'd think dying and being reanimated as a skeleton would count as a loss in a Death Battle.
@@BritBox777 Tell that to Bowser and Scorpion.
@@BritBox777 spirit or living self is somehow contained within the boses of his body. He can't stay permanent death.
@@BritBox777 Dying in Death Battle is only considered if the character has no means of immediate return or post-mortem attack, Bowser has both meaning you'd need to destroy Dry Bowser to _really_ win. If a character is known to come back as a ghost or reanimated-dead in their home-universe, that transformation counts as still being alive because they can still fight and potentially recover from that state.
@@commodorex What the hell would they do if King Boo was in his own death battle 😅
Fun fact: The animator confirmed that infinite is not dead, just in a lot of pain
Oh. Thank god.
What all can Infinite do without the Phantom Ruby, though?
@@maxspecs being miserable, basically his character trait
@@maxspecs brood
@@promiatey7520 at least infinite has his sword from the forces prequel..
23:52 yes Bowser can undead live as a skeleton canonically. First established in Super Mario bros DS
23:26 my brother in Christ what do you mean “is that even canon?”. Dry Bowser has been in tons of Mario games and is definitely canon
The only reason I asked is because things can be shown in games but not canon to the actual story. Like the players POV can be different than official canon if that makes sense
@@SonicHubYTI get what you mean but yes Dry Bowser is canon.
He was shown first in Super Mario Bros DS as a boss. Later on in Super Mario Bros Wii 2, he shows up in his Dry Bowser state
@SonicHubYT Pretty sure that's just a Sonic thing between the two. Mario seems to take anything within a game released by Nintendo or with their blessing as canon, while Sonic canon tends to fly fast and loose.
Bowser has become Dry Bowser in mainline and Party while he has existed in the RPG series as well. There's actually also a canonical reason that both Bowser and Dry Bowser can exist. Bowser has 1 relative, who is dead and is perpetually a reincarnated corpse.@@SonicHubYT
I can imagine bowser with a 4 digit intellect, he would refuse to use it because he doesnt want to look like a nerd.
He would lower his iq from sheer willpower.
The animator confirmed that Infinite didn't dies from the Thwomp. He was taken out by it however due to increased gravity Infinite imposed.
Ah, hoisted by his own petard. Sweet.
Eggman's army is stronger individually, but as a cohesive unit, Bowser's army is stronger
Characterization of Bowser caring for his minions is fantastic
Holds them in place to protect them from infinite
Gets the classic "dad power boost" when jr gets hurt
Stands in front of the SUPER DEATH LAZER to protect his minions
Shows why hes the king
Bowser leads from the front. Eggman commands from the rear
Bro metal sonic really carried the whole eggman empire
bowser is the goat since he actually puts in work 😂
Bowser Vs Metal Sonic was animated spectacularly, but kinda weird how Metal just died midway through and the fight didn't stop? But really, the fight was mostly Bowser vs Metal Sonic as Metal Sonic was HARD carrying Eggman's throughout the whole fight. While Infinite ironically played HIMSELF, he raised the gravity which King Boo took advantage of to create a Thwomp to crush him even further with the raised gravity. And fun fact, it’s confirmed by MORØ (the animator of this episode's fight) that Infinite didn’t die, just left to wallow in self-pity as a disgrace.
When Sage fired the laser from the Death Egg Bowser VERY easily could've avoided the attack if he wanted to, but he didn't, he CHOSE to protect his army (and Orbot and Cubot by extension unintentionally as they're seen at the end) while Eggman had ZERO hesitation in abandoning his own troops to get annihilated, and that meant in the end it was just him. And even if Bowser DID die, because of Bowser's sacrifice Eggman would still need to deal with Junior, Kamek, and most of Bowser’s army alone.
I also really like the detail that Bowser LEADS the charge of his army while Eggman HIDES behind his army, and the loyalty of Bowser's minions is FURTHER emphasized in the Mario and Luigi games being a lesson Kamek constantly tries to teach Junior in the Bowser Jr's Journey segment of the Bowser's Inside Story remake; "Think about it. The minions ADORE Lord Bowser. If he so wished, they would jump through fire or into the deepest ocean. Now, what do you think inspires that devotion? Do they simply dear him? No, it's much more powerful than that. Only love and admiration can inspire such loyalty"
Some more little details I really like from the episode; how Metal IMMEDIATELY goes Neo after realizing what Chance Time did (accurate to anyone with Mario Party experience), how Metal and Sage look genuinely happy when Eggman praised and encouraged them and how Metal and Sage are the ONLY ones in the Eggman empire to ACTIVELY try and protect Eggman (Metal moved the Death Egg Robot out of the way so he could protect Eggman)
Bowser's army is FAR from a pushover, it's an army of turtles that can spit fire, shoot ice, throw heavy objects, shake the ground, fly, etc, walking bombs, robots that explode, flying magic users, near-upstoppable bullets, ghosts, the literal undead (Dry Bones) and walking mushrooms, for starters. Not to mention he has a fleet of airships armed with heavy cannons that can drop his forces wherever he needs to. The ONLY reason we see him constantly lose is because Mario is just built different. Plus, Mario and Bowser are both Star Children, seven babies (the others being Luigi, DK, Wario, Peach and Yoshi) that possess, as Kamek states in Yoshi's Island DS, "an extraordinary amount of power."
Dry Bowser IS canon and made its first appearance was in New Super Mario Bros DS. Bowser is capable of cheating death and pull random bs out of his ass like flying in 3D world or the black hole generator in Galaxy. Eggman CAN beat him but Bowser will get back up/come back with magic bs. Bowser just needs to get close to Eggman and there's little he can do to fight back. It's also kinda funny how Orbot and Cubot LIVED until the end; they outlived their own boss, stole the Phantom Ruby from a Chargin' Chuck AND fought off the Elite Trio, doesn't abandon the battle like a lot of Eggman's robots when their boss uses the Death Egg laser, left the battle unscathed and most notably they catfished Bowser.
If you look clearly, metal sonic didn’t die to bowser, he died because his back hurt too much from carrying the entire eggman team.
In all seriousness he ran probably outta rings and lost the super form lol.
Also, it’s interesting to see that eggman died because of him being off guard and sad at the potential death of sage because she was in the death egg.
Holy yapping of the yappington who ordered a yapicheno
@@nataly6309 I did, now shut up and let me enjoy a fellow fan's analysis.
That's an underrated aspect of this fight, much like in real life, an army thats dedicated to their leader and loyal to their cause is much harder to defeat than one that has no choice in being there. If it came down to just the goons on both sides, Bowser would still take it in the end.
Stuff like this makes me want more Super Mario Bros Z, that series really showed off what Sonic and Shadow could do when thrown into the Mario universe.
I freaking loved that series. I dont care how uncanon it is its canon in my heart
If you liked that you should watch some space pea videos,he has fantastic animations
I didn't think that at some point you would actually react to a Death Battle like this one. But I'm glad that you did.
Honestly I thought eggman was gonna win. But then I remember the time bowser designed a DARK MATTER PLANT and all his busted powers, along with a loyal army and then yeah bowser won this one.
@@Dededvine they laid out a good case for bowser in the pre fight Lowkey I wasn’t expecting it
@@SonicHubYTBowser, King Boo, Bowser Jr and Kamek are a lot more broken than they look.
@@davidgarcia5988If the koopalings were there, it would be 𝙎𝙐𝙋𝙀𝙍 𝘽𝙍𝙊𝙆𝙀𝙉.
@davidgarcia5988 man,they did Infinite dirty as HELL.
They gave him super NM sonic,Sage and he still lost.
@@nathanbardol1236 Some people said that they did make Infinite accurate as possible to Sonic Forces.
Shows up, has a banger line, did one cool trick and dies.
to put into context how busted paper mario scaling can get and why it's important. The paper mario verse itself is consistently complex multi, but get this- that entire complex multiverse...exists inside a single book in the main series.
A SINGLE BOOK IN THE MAIN VERSE IS AN ENTIRE COMPLEX MULTIVERSE
The word complex is kinda redundant to put.
But yeah paper mario is pretty crazy. And the series is no strnager to books like that seeing yoshis story
19:54 Bowser said "Shut up, Nerd!"
*Bowser when he has the canonical Dream Stone:*
So glad this wasn’t covered in the animation. Chucking universes at the opponent gets boring after a while.
Metal when he had the canonical chaos emeralds:
@@KMAXfr oh my bad, I missed the part where chaos emeralds could do anything
@InazaDX you know one chaos emerald holds universes in them with nigh infinite power right? 1 chaos emerald grants wishes and that's just 1, but you seem to not know much about sonic so this will fall on deaf ears
@KMAXfr when is that ever said in a sonic game
And I don't think it really matters, the name dream stone should be enough to tell that it does whatever the hell you want it to do
Eggman was carried by his army. Bowser carried and protected his. He even used the 1-ups given by the coins at the end to revive everyone that was taken out.
Infinite didn't die, he just gave up afterwards and ran away. Very in-character for him actually, considering how Forces portrayed him.
This battle is gonna start a whole new wave of Mario vs. Sonic debates 😭🙏
actually, most i've seen is that people made memes out of Infinites defeat by king boo XD
@@Lavamario1they did Infinite dirty
This looks crazy! Honestly I was surprised when Bowser won
I honestly was not suprised and disaspointed in same time
As much as I glaze Sonic The Hedgehog, I knew from the jump Bowser was winning. Unlike the 2018 version of Mario Versus Sonic, Death Battle actually did their research for Bowser Versus Eggman.
@@Metal_Sonic_Glazerthe 2018 fight is just embarrassing. Giant rock level sonic vs football field Mario. How did that even make sense
bro actually said "hows this fair?" cause its a battle to the death gotta pull out all the stops
My boy has a excuse for everything😭 just face it Bowser wins
Ya but sonic is better overall face it
@TreAllen-idk Eeeeeeehhhhh.......sure, let's go with that 😅
@@WonderMarioBrosYT to be fair death battle can't really do proper scaling
@TreAllen-idk true, but I'm biased since I'm more of a Mario fan, I still like Sonic a lot though
@WonderMarioBrosYT same here but on the sonic side
19:11 just noticed but wtf is the TIE fighter on the right doing here??
@@willowboy_618 wasn't just me eh lol
Bowser didn’t beat metal sonic, his back simply gave out from how hard he carried team eggman
One thing Death Battle got wrong was that they said that Eggman Nega was apart of Eggman's family, when he is actually just Eggman from the Sol dimension. Shadow the Hedgehog, on the other hand, is related to Eggman.
Well if there's one thing I'm sure of, its that Sonic fans will be good sports about it Bowser winning.
Mario and Sonic would stomp both Armies together they are more like Friends and they know how to beat their enemy and Fans have done their own fan series of Bowser and Eggman Teaming up even Nintendo even did it in the Winter Olympic Video game for the DS.
Reminder death battle doesn't go by if you die. it's if you can no longer fight. And Bowser can fight lomg after death. And even if he couldn't fight anymore, the army would still fight for him.
@@AlexSleepyLemur Indeed. So even if a character was truly immortal, then trapping them somewhere they can’t escape from or mind-wiping them would be viable win conditions.
Also lets all the “technically” dead/undead characters participate.
Great reaction! This animation was dope!
dry bones bowser is canon yes. bowser jsut can't die, lol
@raiwserkoopa2221 it still doesn't make sense tho
Because Dry bowser iirc has had 2 canon mainline appearances
One in one of the NSMB games and the other in super Mario 3d land
The only time we've seen bowser become dry bowser is because of Kamek turning him into it, it's not a naturally occurring phenomena, that's why I think bowser winning (or at least surviving the tractor beam)was a little bit of an asspull - Kamek got punched into next Tuesday by Neo Metal, there should be no way for him to turn into dry bowser on his own
@@thatkidonmodernwarfare2446 bowser jr's journey in the remake of bowser's inside story. you see him there too at the end of the game. I know so much about bowser, because i am a hardcore bowser fan, so, lot's of research. i need to touch grass more often :)
@@raiwserkoopa2221 ah alright
I haven't played the rpg spinoffs - they just don't interest me.
I still think the koopa army just having the grandmaster star on standby is bullshit (most of bowsers MOST impressive feats they described were from conditional items that he can't just use whenever he wants) but I'll accept that at least
According to luigis Mansion 1, bowser can die, because he's confirmed dead during that games events, in-game.
@@ZER0O9 that's actually not true, just a theory. king boo even works with bowser in paper jam. even if bowser somehow died, he could just be revived like what happened in mario bros for the ds
Think your really under selling Bowser's army. Most of Eggmans bots can be matched by somthing in Bowser's troops.
Koopas, Goombas, and Shyguys are on par with Eggman's smaller badniks like the ladybugs, bees, or monkeys. And Charging Chucks, Hammer Bros, and Magic Koops could take Eggpawn tiers.
DeathEgg bots would be the hardest to deal with, but Banzi Bill fire and all the magic abilities of Kamek, the Kooplings, Bowser Jr, and King Boo could handle them.
Metal Sonic is the only one Eggman has who can't be rivaled by any of Bowser's goons. Not at his best anyway.
Sonics Universe runs on Anime Logic while Marios Universe Runs on Cartoon-esqe Logic (cartoon logic does not equal toon force)
Bowser junior shot his want at the egg mobile to immobilize that, and then he shot it again to turn the death egg into a "?" Block
no, the eye test is that Bowser's winning. this is fictional characters, an army with significantly more varied character designs is almost always going to have far more powers and abilities to contend with. Eggman's side was just groups of identical footsoldiers
Great character colab and great characters
Bro Bowser did a Black Flash At the end of the fight
Yeah, it was basically Magic vs Technology. Like, Super Neo is ridiculously powerful. But Bowser could literally just wish him away with the Dream Stone. Like... Yeah just a little OP. As to why Bowser didn't just do so against Mario and Luigi? Plot armour.
23:50 this has appeared in many Mario games at this point, all of which are considered canon and to be the same universe.
28:30 The funny thing about that statement is that regular cities and humans exist does in Mario. Recall New Dong city from Odyssey?
A part of me hoped Eggman would win, but I felt like Bowser has the edge of this war. It's well done btw! 👍
Dry Bowser is canon as it has appeared in Super Mario 3D Land and many spin off games
No way infinite would lose that easily
That's what i'm saying dude
I mean, given what we’ve seen of Infinite, he does fumble hard with the level of power he has quite a bit. At least in this fight, they actually made it a bit more clever with how King Boo got the drop on him (pun intended).
Infinite could've probably used the sun to kill everyone there xd
Bro is fodder unfortunately 😂
@@Frost_RBX the reason is since the phantom ruby increases gravity and King Boo isn’t affected by it and thus he made a thwomp which slams down..but since the gravity is increased,it causes an issue for infinite
This fight shows how much we need an Eggman game with neo metal Eggman himself and sage aswel as his army
i dont think you give mario and sonic enough credit, if gained access to ALL of their potential arsenal, the duo could EASILY mop the floor with bowser and eggman's army. most games restrict their arsenal, which is why they seem weaker. but when given access to like, everything they can do, mario and sonic are both wayyy stronger then you would think.
ignoring the fact mario has the literal "i can kill whatever i want" star power in abundance, looking at his rpg abilities alone he's got some crazy attacks.
True Sonic fans knew that Eggman was gonna lose from a mile away. Sorry, but Bowser is just a TANK and it's questionable if Mario himself can take Bowser down for good. The Sonic series just has not achieved the level of scaling that the Mario games have.
But just a reminder, that characters are not more or less cool just because they won/lost a fight. Even if Eggman loses, this was the perfect excuse to see him and his army in the thick of some action. Hell, Metal Sonic has had more justice in this battle than Sega has given him in TWENTY YEARS!! Instead of focusing on the fact that Eggman lost, it's better to appreciate the good fight that the doctor put up!
Thank you for saying it man
Sonic has just as good scaling as Mario tfym???? And yea I see that eggman lost but wtf?? A super form being forcefully taken out by another being that can't use any type of chaos energy??? I just don't get it
Considering Eggman can create time machines (Sonic 06) means he wins either by rewinding time to prepare for the battle beforehand, or send Bowser to another time in the distant past/future.
The fact they did not even mention this OP Eggman ability, means that their case was clearly biased towards Bowser.
@ they did 26:44. Just as Eggman could send Bowser back in time with the Time Eater, Dreamy Bowser could wish away Eggman with dream powers.
@DJack276 eggman has a dream form too
Eggman created a time machine in 06. This means he can rewind time and plan accordingly. Eggman wins.
Bowser also went back in time in Yoshi's New Island and Yoshi's Island DS. Tie.
@@xord5293 dude, bowser can travel in time without that XD
@@raiwserkoopa2221 Bowser is just more cartoony... Eggman is more grounded in reality and can't just wish for dreams or things... and that's why this whole battle is really just goofy. It's like pitting Kirby against Master Chief, and saying that Kirby wins in every scenario because he will swallow all the weapons that Master Chief has.
@ Ok, but Bowser gets cartoon dream powers out of nowhere. Eggman, on the other hand, has to use science and his genuis to create something by himself; not just wish it or dream it.
@@xord5293 bowser is just super op. One of the most powerful video game villains for a reason :)
Man I loved this fight 😂
The face on the thumbnail is the face of sheer excitement.
Dry Bowser is a very strange example to go for when trying to argue for gameplay elements not being canon lol. It's always very obvious when something like that isn't, so the comments in the video about Dry Bowser just come across as random saltyness
well I mean, Shadow did have the Doom powers against Metal Overlord
From what I’ve heard, Infinite rapidly increased gravity. So utilizing a Thwomp, a giant rock monster that weaponizes gravity, I feel is the best counter 😅
you should react to Mario Vs Sonic Death Battle Original Version.
honestly, bowser could actually take over planet earth if he was real. those are some crazy feats!
The only thing preventing Bowser from conquering the universe is Mario and his friends. Kinda crazy.
@@Neonclown_7 mario is super powerful though
@@raiwserkoopa2221 Yeah, I know! I'm just saying, it's kinda crazy to think about.
Awesome Sonic video!
While I was watching your video I got chrome sonic from a FREE egg
I AM LITERALLY SHAKIN RN
This deathbattle is fire btw
in the actual fight, eggman would def plan ahead for a ton of stuff that happened. hed see shit coming from miles away
(never mind i dont watch death fight often ignore this 💀)
@@Digicara64 Here’s the thing though, you can’t plan ahead for what you don’t know. Death Battle rules state that there is no knowledge of each other or preparation time.
Bowser has multiple forms with so many abilities that unless Eggman saw it before hand he would have no way to know and prep for it.
@@QuaversYToh aight then.
@@QuaversYT But Eggman can control time with his time machine (Sonic 06). This mean Eggman can either send himself back in time to prepare for the battle, or simply kick Bowser to another time plane. Death Battle did not even mention this Eggman OP ability and for that the result of the battle are innacurate and im salty because of it lol
@@xord5293 Bowser can teleport through space and time anyway, though, so it wouldn't have mattered.
@@theherohartmut Eggman is genuis mastermind, so it wouldn't have mattered.
This episode was so peak in fact I’d say it’s one of if not the best DB episode.
My only criticism is they say it’s so close (which it is. Like it’s literally a 50 - 50) but they failed to show everything Eggman has that makes it close. They glossed over a lot of his stuff yes they mention that both have Multi+ stuff in one of the black boxes but still.
Dr Bowser is canon btw. He’s in one of the New Super Mario Bros games
23:27 dry bowser’s first appearance was new super Mario bros so it is cannon
when could bowser use black flash
wasnt sage able to summon the titans from frontiers tho im pretty sure she could do that here
@@akinalski That wouldn't really work since the Titans belong to the ancients not Sage or Eggman.
They’re not here for the same reason Perfect Chaos, Zavok, and Solaris aren’t here: Eggman didn’t build them.
It's honestly just to save budget because that would've been alot to animate. Plus as explained, Wonder Bowser or Dreamy Bowser would just wipe them as well.
@@akinalski yeah to be fair, Kamek would use his magic wand to make that disappeared
@@jeanette9760 if kamek could do that why didnt he just do that with the death egg robot or any other robot
I think the real reason why we don't see Bowser doing crazy stuff as often as Eggman is because Bowser is not nearly as evil as Eggman.
The only part that was iffy was the end. If he knocked Eggman in the block, he would have freed the death egg, sage and the emeralds. If only the super emeralds were canon… dope fight for sure
Thwamp defeated infinite because infinite raised the gravity too much
9:59 bro forgot what a Sonic CD is
i found a flaw in bowsers win when bowser junior made bowser into furry bowser he shouldent have been able to control it it was the whole point of bowsers furry like bro the point was he got hit with black ink/paint and went wild looseing his state of mind
Where is mecha sonic?
3:42 For the most part yes but the top tier Koopas troops can keep up with the Badniks at any level and they have far better Teamwork. Like Kamek, King Boo, Koopalings and other bosses. The low level units Badniks win
Pov: 22:39
Vegeta when cell kill trunks from him
I’ll admit I was on Bowser’s side here, since Mario is my preferred franchise. But Eggman did put up a good fight, it wasn’t easy for bowser to prevail
It was unfair because Bowser has magic that could basically do what ever the plot wanted🤦🤦🤦
They did the Phantom Ruby in general dirty the whole video
Because the Phantom Ruby isn’t that powerful compared to bigger threats like the Wonder Flower, Grand Stars & Chaos Emeralds so why bother?
Tbf Forces didn’t do much help for Phantom Ruby. The story was just a mess n there explanation of the ruby’s powers made no sense. Eggman only needed the chaos emeralds to help him out which that doesn’t matter with Bowser’s reanimation to Dry Bowser
@@Jorpda well technically it was stated to be stronger than the master emerald which is stronger than the chaos emeralds. In the idw comic eggman said this himself
@@Jorpda well technically it was stated to be stronger than the master emerald which is stronger than the chaos emeralds. In the idw comic eggman said this himself but I see what you mean
Ok and? Bowser has the benefit of having really busted Magic, Eggman is just a really smart guy who built as lot of stupid toys. He’s still human
I forgive this battle result due to such an amazing animation and music
Bowser vs Eggman.
*Eggman loses*
*archie Sonic joins the chat*
@@Tom_TheOuterOne Mario Kun Joins the Chat 💀
Props to DeathBattle for gassing up Metal Sonic and basically showing him solo Bowser and his army and carrying the empire on his back about time Metal gets some respect on his name. If it wasn’t for Jr with his fury pain Neo Metal basically won the whole fight for the Eggman empire
This is def a top 3 DeathBattle the animation was a 100/10
Metal only losed because he was to tired carrying the team
These death battles I really love and I you should try to find a Shadow one to watch for a video.
Metal Sonic carried
Nah bro i thought we would see super eggman 😢😢😢
Maybe if Eggman didn’t hide behind his army and actually used the Phantom Ruby himself.
I'm not gonna lie this was a pretty unfair battle: number 1 they used everything they mentioned for Bowser but didn't use a lot of things they said for Eggman: 2 idk but I think they used the wrong one for the Lazer the death egg is just a space ship and they didn't use a lot of Eggman robots and they used somethings for Bowser they didn't mention. I have one question how do you mention super egg man and other monsters but u use the weakest things for him. Like imagine being in a fight and u get the weakest things in your army. I'm sorry for whoever disagree but some of these are just facts maybe not idk I just think it's unfair. Why did infinite die so quick that seems unrealistic I saw a video on sonic vs mario on this same channel and they got half of the stuff wrong about sonic (mostly) got stuff wrong about sonic no rings and no TVs to boost him just hyper form and he still lost how does that work? Remember mario is a human he seems not human but he is still human but you should check it out even though its mostly unfair
Wait where is the super emeralds
Yea, Dry Bowser is a thing, the fight was so hype tho, I personally rooted for eggman but this fight did both of them justice. Also Infinite < Thwomp lmao
Yeah Infinite lost really easy but like that should be expected? His whole thing is how the Phantom Ruby is what makes him a threat otherwise he’s weak. Once the ruby’s a non-factor so is Infinite
You say weak but he took on an army of egg robos the same ones that many characters that don't have powers and resort to using wispons use and he did before he even had the ruby not to mention most characters that don't use wispons have powers like sonic to take them out and he only had a sword and small group of allies, but yeah he's weak without the ruby though him losing easy not really that expected.
I'm referring to the sonic comic that goes a little more in depth with his origin by the way.
I don't have a problem with the outcome but why wouldn't they let eggman have all of his mech? I thought we were using both characters at full power but the worse part of this fight is that metal sonic died because he was carrying eggman.
It was probably because of the budget. Although Morø made alternate scenarios which show how Bowser could beat Eggman's strongest forms and bots
@@davidgarcia5988 fair point about the budget but then again they wasn't really using all of the mechs in the alternate scenarios but that's just being picky. Yeah I get what you are saying tho but I feel like the scaling in sonic is weird because the chaos emeralds are shown to be able to destroy the whole Cosmology of sonic yet there are things stronger than the emeralds like hyper-go-on energy yet sonic is able to beat it in sonic colors in base. Idk but again i don't have a problem with the outcome
The coping is at the max in this death battle
Where was chaos during all this?
Chaos never was on Eggman's side. There's a reason Eggman was a lot more... controlling with Dark Gaia and the Time Eater.
@@SlashthekitsuneWould Dark Gaia stand against Bowser?
@@bryanferratt6598 Dark Gaia is a pain in the ass to wake up and has the issue that it also releases Light Gaia, aka Chip, who is a trump card all on his own.
Metal carried
Hold on what about the shadow androids? From what i know they are quite strong
It wasnt fair because dry bones bowser is dead
UNdead. It's an important distinction. He was still able to stand and keep fighting; Eggman could not. Besides, Bowser Jr. can just chuck Dry Bowser's bones into a cauldron and restore his flesh, anyway.
22:35 this could've been easily avoided in two ways:
1. The chaos emeralds are INFINITE chaos energy and power no way a stupid grand-star powered blast could tank the energy of the chaos emeralds if death battle actually DID give mario party feats to bowser and archie feats to eggman that means the chaos emeralds are WAY beyond a grand-star powered blast also metal could've easily just teleported away from the blast.
2. Since death battle stated that metal sonic has copied shadow's power and has learned CHAOS CONTROL metal could've stopped time and prevented himself from dying I swear death battle is so unaccurate
1. I feel like the Grand Star blast was amped by Bowser's Fury (not the form), a mechanic that makes him stronger whenever he's pissed.
2. Bowser has ways to stop time as well and could use Kamek and Boos to steal a Chaos emerald from Super Neo.
@@davidgarcia5988 bro. STILL!!! They gave archie feats to eggman! And the chaos emeralds weren't able to tank one single blast?!
2. At the time bowser charged his blast boo and kamek were dead
@@rayan7840 They didn't use Archie, that was IDW. They stuck with games and media that are canon to the games. If they used Archie Comics for Eggman then it's only fair they give Bowser feats from Mario Kun
Tbh, once they got rid of metal, it was over. Metal was literally carrying the whole fight, ince they super form ran out and metal got destroyed, i had a feeling it was over, i knew bowser woupdnt die to the beam becaus eh can come bsck as a skeleton and i called hiw bowser was gonna win but i was hopeing metal couldve carried them to a win. I said that eggmsn was ginns hit bowser with some big beam or smth, think he won, bowswr ould comeback as dry bowser and kill him.
I mean... Yeah! If Bowser and his entire army attacked Mario at once, i am absolutely sure Mario wouldn't be able to handle it!
Same thing for the Eggman empire against Sonic.
The context of how Mario and Sonic are able to beat their "bosses" is also quite important. They attack castle per castle, zone per zone, defeating them bit by bit, not in a singular huge battle.
I dont care that eggman lost, i care about the fact that SUPER neo metal lost. Idk how he was taken out of a super form forcefully while he had his guard up with you know, the whole absolute invulnerability thing?
Tehre is like 200 debunks of this video cuz they really downplayed infinite which yeah I guess he kinda killed himself but that boy durable so idk how the thw op really one shot when even the koopas were resisting the gravity and metal could’ve copied kamiks ability’s and bowser transformations
Anyone else notice how they said 1 Chaos emerald was continent level but in the battle the full powered 7 emerald Death Egg shot barely even makes a crater 🤦🤦🤦
Not only that, Bowser Jr destroyed the whole thing in 1 second 😂
He turned it into a block
Bowser tanked the whole blast to protect his army
@@davidgarcia5988 fr
and bowser jr op asf
@@troyami Bowser tanked the entire blast specifically to protect his army, which shows just how insanely durable he is
Why there didn’t add the hard boiled egg
Likely for the same reason the Koopalings didn't show up in the battle despite being mentioned in the analysis. I like to think that they were facing each other offscreen over some secondary objective.
Where were the titans tho?
Were they Eggman's to command?
Look i'm a sonic fan but ain't no way that eggman was ever gonna win this, even without bowser using magic he could still get kamek to carry the fight, and while the chaos emeralds do scale to solaris, let's not forget that aside from the stars and grand stars, there are things like star rods, wonder flowers, and possibly even red stars that might give bowser the edge. Metal sonic was pretty busted but lets not forget that bowser could maybe have even mind controlled sage to destroy eggman's entire robot army. And yes, while eggman could also have mind controlled bowser or kamek, the koopa troop has a much more strategic style unlike the badniks, who are focused on aggression. If eggman used the time eater or took bowser to the dream world, bowser could still have used the stars and won, because if the emeralds are as powerful as solaris, the stars all put together could match that power. A single star is much less powerful than a single emerald, but there are only seven emeralds and around 500 stars, grand stars, power moons, or star rods, so it becomes a fairer fight between the two power ups. Both armies could mass produce their minions through cloning, and metal sonic could imitate the magic on the other side, but bowser slightly outhaxes eggman given the number of stars and mario powerups compared to emeralds and sonic powerups, and bowser has greater physical strength than any of eggman's minions, so he could probably take out a majority of the opposing army by himself. Not to mention that kamek and others could use magic to transfigure the spacial displacement trap, and bowser could have just hid away in a flying castle if his entire army got turned into zombots, sit back and watch the metal virus turn on eggman, or created an effect similar to the warp topaz with his magic. Bowser could steal the phantom ruby with kamek and use it against eggman, he could turn into cat bowser, he could use 1-ups to revive his fallen troops or use a double cherry to mass produce them, also Jr's paintbrush is broken, allowing for mass battlefield control. Even without king boo's magic, bowser could have stolen the phantom ruby from infinite and punted him to the moon, eliminating the chance of eggman creating more badniks through infinite's illusions, he could have even taken the chaos emeralds. Now granted chance time could also screw bowser over if it gave the wonder flower, the grand stars, the star rods, or the paintbrush to eggman, but bowser could nuke eggman's entire force with some bullet bills (the giant ones) and therefore counter eggman's death egg robots. While eggman could have hit bowser's army with two blasts from the eclipse cannon AND the death egg, and could have pulled out emerl or the E 100 robots, AND chaos, bowser could probably have matched them all with magic, stars, or fury bowser form, and sure emerl and metal sonic is a deadly combo, but bowser could have stalled reinforcements until those two were the only ones leading the charge, and used a blue shell on them. All i'm saying is that while i can be biased, i'm also realistic and the fact of the matter remains that while bowser and eggman have similar hax, bowser's army has more of these hax and also bowser survives being thrown into lava and black holes and exploding suns like it's a normal tuesday. The mario universe has so much more toon force than the sonic universe, they edge the battle out. While mario characters aren't as fast or intelligent, just the sports and the mario party games alone show that they are superhuman, and the majority of them are in smash bros while only sonic is in it. Bowser wins this battle, albeit on a high diff.