I got weird vibes from Agent Rockwell during the G.U.N scenes. She IMMEDIATELY rifled the pockets of the dying commander for the launch key, which the commander gave to Sonic and told him "You're the only one I trust with this". I think they've set a couple avenues to explain Metal Sonic if Carrey doesn't return.
@@Vacerous Yeah. Who knows, maybe it was actually G.U.N who made the Metal Sonics instead of Eggman. I mean they made all those robots that came out of the Eclipse Cannon, so it isn't too far fetched that they could have made them. Maybe they used some of Eggman's data he collected from Sonic's quill when he used to work with them.
I think she is the next villain. G.U.N still thinks Sonic and his team are traitors, and she might still think that despite Sonic literally saving the world just because he tried to get the key in the first place
@@mikdan8813 Nothing is wrong with that name, bruh. Y'all are just too sensitive, when actual Black People can care less about that tiny insignificant detail. What a sensitive and weak generation we are living in, smh.
3:18 ngl, this would have made for a hilarious bit. Stone being like "Before we enter, I just need to fill it up-" and then it's just a wide shot of this giant robotic crab being filled at a gas pump while Sonic taps his foot impatiently
I wish this movie got at least 15-30 more minutes. I wished the same for Sonic 1 and 2. Seriously, time constraints are the main thing holding these movies back. I'm not saying these movies need to be Endgame or LOTR long, but they've proven how much they can pack in 20 minutes alone without making it feel like that short of a time span. They should take advantage of that skill.
I was a bit disappointed when I heard this movie would have shorter run time than 2, which I think was the best paced out of the trilogy (although this is obvious due to it being the longest) I think the problem is because its target demo is younger audience, with increasingly shorter attention spans due to the rise of shortform content. The idea the creators have behind the pacing is to make it blazing fast, similar to Mario movie as well. Hope they can find a way to increase run time in future installments
@@SonicHubYTI wouldn’t say kids have shorter attention spans. My 7 year old sat through Princess Mononoke, The Boy and The Heron, and Spirited Away just fine and even wished those movies were longer. And those are all around two hours long. And she has sat through the first six Star Wars movies and those are longer than two hours. It depends on the kid, I suppose. My kid has largely avoided brain rot content.
@@princesspikachu3915 for sure it’s not one size fits all, honestly it’s a case by case basis and I would say I have 0 attention span as well lol. It’s more so what the people who make the movies think and the reason why they pace things the way they do
@@SonicHubYT Maybe they could do a NWH type thing, where in cinema they first release the cut content (faster pace) version and after that, they could release a full content version (with like 20min extra scenes) on streaming OR back into cinemas (or actually both).
I'd say the dance scene made sense not from a movie perspective, but a flex. Ivo and Gerald are the two most brilliant minds in the world, so much in fact, that they can just waltz into one of the most locked down military bases on the planet like they owned the place, AND THEY DID, BECAUSE THEY CAN!
9:47 There was a leak a while ago that explains this, originally this movie had time travel, this is one of those examples. What was originally going to happen was that everyone on earth died from the explosion, but sonic and shadow used time travel to stop it from occuring. Hope this helps 🙂
I mean, I can understand why they would cut this as it doesn't fit with the sa2 plot that the movie is based on. It would feel a bit weird with the plot basically following the events of Sonic Adventure 2 up until the destruction of the earth and then random time travel segment. Also in the movie The Only Reason Eggman cut the moon in half was because they had to redirect the laser from Earth to the Moon, so that means if they had hit the earth Eggman would not have pissed on the moon.
The movie was very innacurate to a sa2 thh, it would probably be better if it was just a remake of the story from sa2 since for the most part it was better
The cannon actually destroying the Earth would been a massive twist. But I think they might've realise time travel was too cheap of a plot device that it wouldn't of worked. It could of worked, but maybe save the time travel for something like an Sonic 06 adaptation with Solaris. Yes, I do want to see Solaris on the big screen.
Wouldn't have, could have. Would've and Could've sound like -'of' but keep in mind they're contractions. Aside from that, though, you make a pretty solid point.
@@theantagonist801 I don't really focus on what I write on the internet, I write what's already in my head that makes sense, but thank you for the oversight I guess.
I think Metal Sonic, Amy, Blaze, and Silver would be the time travelers, and the movie ends with the ending of Silver’s story, with the one doing the sacrifice being a different character.
So a miniature scale is often used in film production to determine the exact dimensions of a set, if it works and how to build it, it is a cost effective way of creating a set before actually building it for real (saves budget waste) so the chao garden was probably made because of the amount of props, actors and camera angles used, it was a busy but confined set and needed to be made with as little changes possible
@@phillnyetheplaylistguy3759 I mean they introduced Metal Sonic and Amy, the 2 characters who originated from Sonic CD, which is also about time travel. As someone who grew up with the Adventure era Id prefer to see an adaptation of 06 (they could change a lot and actually make it good) but it is what it is
@@Keanine Honestly, they could do kinda like a 'two parter' with Movie 4 and 5. Time Travel gets introduced in Movie 4, and explored better in Movie 5. Four Gets based on CD and Heroes, and Five on '06.
6:50 it’s good to view it that way. We will never see the sonic movies get as gloomy and melancholic as the games can get because it’s a movie franchise aimed at children and specifically designed for children. What I expect is a great “comedic semi-retelling of the games that introduces a new audience to those stories so they will hopefully seek them out for themselves after leaving the theater”
Yeah once I accepted that and viewed it from that lense the more some of the goofy stuff grew on me, happy the next generation will get to grow up with this
There's Sonic games that have dark topics and/or Melachoic things and there aimed for kids. The movie was fine as is other than what people pointed out
00's children: *Play Sonic Adventure 2 and watch Sonic X as kids, enjoy a good story* Same kids now grown up: *We should dumb it down cause it's fOr kIdZ*
@@almas4663Blame parents in the 2000s/ early 2010s that threw hissy fits whenever dark themes showed up in 'kids movies'. They're the reason the industry us afraid showing dark themes towards children
I'd speculate that Sonic Movie 4 is going to be a mixed adaptation between Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes. Sonic Movie 2 was a mixed adaptation between Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic Adventure and then Sonic Movie 3 was primarily adapting SA2, so it makes sense that for the next entry they'd mix it up a bit between the main new characters introduction game (CD) and the next major game in the timeline which also happened to feature Metal Sonic as the main antagonist (Heroes). With this idea in mind, I'd imagine that the story will primarily draw inspiration from CD, but also include elements from Heroes to round it out into a similar sort of experience. We've got the Amy and Metal reveal, but it's possible we could also get Cream, Big, Rouge, and Omega. This would allow for three of the four teams in Heroes to become fully formed; Team Sonic, Team Dark, and Team Rose. They might also do something with the Chaotix and mix their game into the mix, but we'll have to wait and see. Then if they ever get around to Sonic Movie 5, it would make sense to move on to the Shadow 05 adaptation and introduce Black Doom as the primary antagonist. In this version I'd imagine that Sonic would still be the main protagonist instead of shifting over to Shadow, but he'd be a big central focus again and might start remembering things from before he crashed down on Earth. Perhaps he was sent to Earth to carry out some sort of mission, and he ends up needing to choose whether to maintain his alliance with the others or side with Doom to invade the Earth? They could also mix this up together with their Sonic 06 and Sonic Rivals adaptation to include Silver into the plot, perhaps to warn the others about Doom. In this adaptation perhaps instead of going after Sonic, he's got it out for Shadow for choosing to side with Doom in his history's version of events. Mephiles could also make an appearance as like Shadow's brother or something, and could be working for Doom instead of having connections to Solaris. I don't really expect most of this to be accurate but it's just a bunch of stuff that makes sense to me.
What’s interesting is that basically have a blank slate considering CD is a 16 bit game with no dialogue, so they can do a lot with the story and it won’t be held to this standard we had for Movie 3 was because it was mostly an SA2 adaptation. Heroes will be cool to adapt elements from as well since that was probably metals biggest shine in the series, as well as potential for other characters like you mentioned. I’m excited about what future can hold for the series
@@SonicHubYT That's true. CD's story is a pretty basic bullet point presentation where you have events but not dialogue. They're probably not going to have Amy get kidnapped this time around considering the butt kicking she was doing in the end credits scene, so if they're going to do anything with that plot point they might use Cream, Cheese, or Froggy instead.
'This would allow for three of the four teams in Heroes to become fully formed; Team Sonic, Team Dark, and Team Rose.' I don't think this is possible in a film. They won't have enough time to introduce all these characters and give each of them enough screen time for it to matter. There is no way they will do the teams in one film.
Honestly I don’t see them putting that many characters in 4. Team Dark is DEFINITELY getting saved for the shadow movie, if they make it, and will probably have the black arms plot instead of sonic 5. As for Team Rose, Cream and Cheese have like a 10% or less of a chance of showing up and Big has a 25% chance of showing up (I say 25 because apparently in sonic 2 they were going to put a skeleton of one of Big’s species so they’re at least considering him). Also I have no idea where the chaotix show up. 4 is definitely gonna be a mix of CD and Heroes tho. Edit: as for sonic 5 and possibly 6, they could go in 2 directions 1. Have 5 be SA1 and 6 be 06 2. Split 06 into 5 and 6
Disney can afford to keep making money loosing garbage(Mufasa budget is beyond box office so net is loss). They have a monopoly and hardcore cult like fanbase that will see every movie no matter how poorly rated(56% rotten pro score yet 80%+ fan score).
Something I’ve always kind of liked about Metal Sonic is how they’ve pretty much never really changed his design since the Sonic OVA (Not counting Neo Metal Sonic) Even in Sonic Boom they kept his original design. The only time they’ve ever changed his appearance was with Chaos Sonic in Sonic Prime who was technically a different character and in Sonic Generations where they gave him a classic style appearance. That being said that arm cannon that Metal Sonic has in the after credits scene is new (Although I could be wrong)
@@oOSonicexeOo The biggest change to Metal Sonic is him having longer proportions and having hips. I'm dead serious. In his older designs, the legs poked out of his turbine shaped torso.
The arm cannon is likey based on Metal Sonic 3.0 from the Archie comics. Which is interesting because 3.0 eventually went rogue and because a hero under the name Shard. He even had a friendship with Nicole before he got retconned out of existence thanks to the Pender lawsuit. He wasn't actually designed by Ken, but the Power Gem he runs off was.
Maybe Sonic time traveled to a bad future at the end of Sonic 3 during the race because he went so fast and that is why there are multiple Metal Sonics (the bad future is one where Neo Metal has won) and maybe Amy is the only resistance left (like how Silver and Blaze are the only ones left in Crisis City in 06).
The part of Shadow still fighting Sonic in super form while the ARK already blast the earth could be actually look like if Sonic didn't punched Shadow but instead Shadow had straight up surprised attack him for the second time and letting the ARK blast the Earth, Wiping everyone in the world. So that concept could be look like if Shadow is still a villain and never had a change of heart.
0:55 if you watch the end credit scene closely, the first metal sonic that attacks Sonic is blue, while the others are grey. He's likely the true metal sonic, and wanting to avenge eggman, created a whole army.
what if sonic ran so fast in the post credits, he accidentally warped to a bad future, which is how he got to new york, and is why amy is there in a cloak because she leads some kind of resistance against metal sonic or his creator
@@justice8718 I don't know, o like metal being blatantly evil with no motivation besides Sonic himself and eggman's will. As far as surge and infinite, I don't think we will get there, infinite maybe but surge and kit are a no despite how much I like their characters, they work much better in the world of the comics and games with more animal people and Dr starline, I think it would be decades before we can get to a point where they fit in that could do their story Justice, not to mention their story leans a bit darker then what the movies would probably go for what who knows if they showed up I certainly wouldn't be upset as long as they were handled properly
@@benogle4951 Think of Metal Sonic this way. Instead of him being the reason for the future’s ruin, he is actually the one that is preserving Silver’s, Blaze’s, and Amy’s future from the threat of Iblis. Inspired by the stories of Sonic to be the hero. But also inspired by the rumors of Sonic being the reason for the future’s current state. Making him desire to replace and destroy Sonic to be “the real Sonic”.
Pulling Knuckles and Tails out from the shadow fight was the correct move. Now they can do the boss fight from Sonic Heroes as "Sonic did not ran off as Super Sonic to fight alone this time".
The multiple metal sonics remind me of Metallix from the fleetway sonic comics in the UK, where there was one ringleader metal sonic and there were other metal sonic which were called "Metallix"
If the shadow spin off is a sequel the villain should be black doom and he should team up with rouge and omega and fight black doom and learn how he was made then in knuckles season two they should have the chaotix and this all leads to an Sonic heros movie
Here's my opinion on the Super Sonic vs Super Shadow fight concept art was, after they were the only survivors due to being in their super form Shadow realizing what he'd done. This would set up bot CD and Silver, as after this happened Sonic and Shadow would sit in the remains of the earth giving up hope before Silver would appear a time stone in his hand attacking the two as he believed them to be the reason for his ruined future, after Sonic and Shadow would try and fight him as a duo Silver would hold them both in the air with his psychokinesis telling them that the time stone's would be the way to fix everything IE the time travel element. (Silver would have all the time stones along with his backstory) After all this upon time traveling Silver would go with them keeping the time stones just in case something goes wrong. The final fight would basically be the exact same but with Silver there using his psychokinesis to help the two Super hedgehogs. The end scene would be the same maybe Silver in the back cheering them on since he wasn't with the two hedgehogs when they both went Super so he couldn't do much. Once Sonic would start falling down to earth instead of Tails completely failing at using the warp ring falling with Sonic before Knuckles saved the day Silver would catch them with his psychokinesis slowing them down but them already falling at maximum velocity would pull him down with them keeping Tails completely conscious but dropped the ring still before Knuckles would save them. Everything else would stay the same + 1 Silver. Bonus thing for how Sonic 4's CD adaptation with the time travel would happen, during the fall to earth the time stones would become loose falling off of Silver floating in space all of them getting caught by the death eggs explosion but only the aftershock sending them back down to earth. Silver would be forced to stay until they have all the time stones back.
I like that she’s feminine…I hope they don’t make her a girlboss. Would love to have Metallic Madness Bad Future Japanese version show up in the film, in a bleak future version of the world in which a Robotnik voice over loudspeakers is blaring out “D-d-dead or alive…Sonic is mine”. And it goes without saying Metal Sonic would need to be terrifying and unstoppable, at least for part of the film. Having Amy Rose get kidnapped could be a great plot point- she can be tough but still have a damsel in distress moment.
@@VardaMusic I agree I think writing her different from how she used to be is for the best obviously but being in love with Sonic is part of her character, and making her one of those girl boss characters who’s traits that are supposed to make them strong and independent just make them insufferable and rude. My worst fear is that they reverse the roles and Sonic is the one dimensional love interest.
personally since i never saw anything about the time travel draft of the movie, i never considered gerald's involvement to be time travel when the first trailer dropped, always just assumed that he was a hallucination of eggman's
If sonic movie 4 is gonna have time travel, I bet ya there’s gonna be a scene where sonic has the option to prevent long claws death but in order to stay with his family he chooses not to.
Knuckles and Long Claw in the alternate timeline are gonna fight to the death. Tails never finds Sonic. Back on Earth Shadow and Gerald are gonna kill everyone. Everything Sonic knows goes to hell if he tries a “Flashpoint Paradox”
1:39 My theory is:Shadow was sent to earth in that meteor by black doom to be some sort of spy for the black arms to see if the people of earth could destroy the black arms if they invade earth, but on the impact, shadow forgot about why he was there, and forgot all about the black arms and his mission. And for the shadow spinoff that takes place after sonic 3:I think black doom will invade earth, while looking for shadow. And when black doom finds shadow, be remembers who black doom is, and is conflicted on what he should do, either help black doom destroy the world, or protect the world.
The reason there are multiple Metal Sonics is because they're likely taking cues from the Fleetway comics where Metal Sonic (called Matallix in the comic for whatever reason) was a larger red version of the Metal Sonic we know and led an army of regular Metal Sonics. He was also created by a character named Grimer in that story who, in one timeline, acted as Robotnik's henchman but still created Metallix in the timeline without Robotnik. If Eggman is dead then we might have Grimer as a new antagonist, or Stone might either replace Grimer or become him if not a new Robotnik.
What I assumed watching the post credit scene was that most of the metal Sonics are supposed to be the movie version of the silver sonics cause only one of them looked blue the rest looked gray but it could've just been the lighting
I mean, while it would have been a big twist, it would have been cheap to just randomly introduce time travel to save the Earth. If they want to do that, they should dedicate a whole different movie to it with Silver and maybe Blaze. So I'm glad we didn't actually get this yet. It would have been a bit forced in my opinion.
9:48 I don’t know if you remember or saw but I think this would’ve explained one shot I saw in one of the TV Spots for the movie where the GUN Building gets blown up and destroyed by the canon
I believe that part of the plot of the next movie will be Amy having some connection to Longclaw because we need to return to alien worlds if she's gonna be brought up like a ghost. We may even see Cream since we now have the introduction of Chao Garden for Cheese and/or Chocola Chao. Tails and Knuckles will take a backseat or have a supporting role, which will take place far away from Sonic until the final battle. At that point, we'll see Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy in an epic stance. I also like the idea of Tails getting the Knuckles treatment with a spinoff.
Might be a controversial take here, but I'm pretty certain the eclipse cannon hitting earth in the concept art is essentially just a 'show the threat level' idea - the concept is 'Sonic is prioritising fighting Shadow over stopping the world-ending threat' and we basically got exactly that.
@@SonicHubYTThey did. They showed it cutting the moon. If the Earth were cut with that, it would be dead. Planet's core would have been exposed, releasing all of the heat, shutting down the magnosphere, dooming Earth to lose its atmosphere from solar radiation stripping it away. The last inhabitants of Earth would die a painful death-radiation sickness and asphyxiation.
I could see 4 being a mix of CD and Heroes and Shadow's series would be based on his game obv. All ik is that live action Neo Metal Sonic and Metal Overlord with "What I'm Made Of" would break the internet in the best way possible.
i think that image of him sitting with maria wouldve been a day dream he had during or after the fight with sonic where it flashes between the 2 images of them sitting looking at earth. him imagining it was with maria after his talk with sonic
5:15 it appears at some point instead of the mountain lab they undeed where gonna use the original story behind shadow aka the ark and maria being ill and imuno compromised n stuff maybe even gerald creating him too tho they chosen the full on alien route 11:41 and regarding gerald being alive i do faintly recall a storyline where indeed gerald robotnik survived but he was also locked away and he just wasnt the same man when he was free...he was clinically insane far worse than eggman but also...in the games there are hints of gerald already being not a good person like he used marias pet lizard for his experiments like what the actual fuck who does that? Someone who was already not a good person to begin with thats what
I see Paramount easily being able to make a Shadow movie before Sonic 4 and because it would just be Shadow as the only CGI character so it could have around an 80 million budget and release mid 2026
@joshshrum2764 Black Doom is a good story but in movies he'd have to be so powerful that'd I think he could be a final fight in like Sonic 6 or something
I absolutely love dissociating from real life and just watching sonic lore videos, this video was great and I really hope Sega takes the potential they have for these movies and doesn't disappoint
I remember seeing a video by the guy that made the end credits low poly animations, apparently executives love dance scenes & he was like "That's why you see a lot of dancing in anime"
I had literally the same reaction to the Eggman dance. I was initially opposed, but now all I hear in my brain is "PUSH THE BUTTON" any time I do anything
Since they used a "Lazer gun" to destroy Maria indirectly, It would most likely be a ratings issue if they actually did an orbital strike on the planet.
I feel like the laser firing concept art would have been more of a "The laser will hit the earth's core and trigger an explosion in 10 minutes!" Rough draft.
I really do hope that Movie 4 uses time travel and we get something with Longclaw being brought to the present and she gets to see how Sonic has ended up, but realizes she must go back in order to keep history going. For if she and the Echidnas don't die in battle, then Knuckles never leaves his home. And because of that, a chain reaction of events would threaten to undo everything Sonic has found on Earth. So he's stuck with a choice, his original parental figure he's wanted back for so long, or stay with the home he's created for himself now. This way we could finally wrap up his arc with looking back at the life he moved on from and his complete acceptance of his new life.
Honestly, I think 2 and a half hours should've been enough for this film, 1 hour and 50 minutes felt short for me when I watched the film at first@@logan4579
@joshshrum2764 Yeah, honestly, I was disappointed from how Biolizard didn't show up, but still, I thought the film was enjoyable. Apparently if I remembered, there's an easter egg where Shadow and Maria are watching a film together during a flashback where you see a monster fighting, yes that's Biolizard.
My suspicion is that Eggman got teleported to Sonic’s home world in the explosion, created a bunch of metal sonics and Amy came to earth looking for his help.
One thing that immediately came to my mind in the post-credit scene with Metal Sonic was the Brotherhood of Metallix from the Fleetway comics. The plot of Sonic movie 4 is probably going to be based around Sonic CD, but I don't doubt that the screenwriters may also be looking to other stories in the franchise for inspiration. In any case, I just want "What I'm Made Of" to get the same treatment that "Live and Learn" had
I think they saved time travel for Silver, jeff fowler has a silver and cyan color chao behind him in a video with stage 4 behind him... at 10:58 i think this could switched to silver, 200 years in the future with the decay of the building/lab and skeleton. If they decide to retcon silver as shadow son based of shadow quill used to create silver. end credits--spoilers --- Shadow might been sent to silver timeline. the sky is orange/red hue similar to iblis destroying world with fire. Also if nega eggman in the future can see him use Silver quill for time travel. it was stated why gerald was alive in cut content was because of shadow quill had time stopping properties preserving gerald..
Silver has never been stated as Shadow's son, and the creator of Shadow himself confirmed he wasn't. I'd rule out Silver being Shadow's son, because a lot of the fans wouldn't like that. But then again, nobody on the main cast seems to know who Silver is :(
@@theantagonist801 Shadow is portrayed as Silver father in sonic and the black knight. As silver is galahad who is lancelot son. I did hear about the debunk by that guy but apparently it was facebook post so imo not sure if really him or staff, but he goes back on some thing he says didn't happen as seen from other people comments calling him out. Even ian Ian Flynn stated he thought silver was shadow son. Also both shadow and silver can do chaos control (sonic was retcon recently he can't do chaos control) So that imo strong indication silver is linked in some way and plus paramount stated they had big plans for silver. even generations gerald talked about shadow needing someone to chaos control with him to open time portal..
@@theantagonist801 Also fans don't hate the idea of shadow being silver father, there actually big support from fans since they saw lancelot and galahad. plus similarity between shadow and silver along with chaos control. it not hated.
@passerby1156 This may hurt to read, but Sonic and the Black Knight isn't canon. And apart from that, Shadow needing another person to open the portal of time? That doesn't make Silver his son, if it even WAS Silver who helped. Anyone with a Chaos Emerald can chaos control, I'd reckon. And in your other sentence, you immediately disproved yourself. Ian Flynn said he *thought* Silver was Shadow's son. I can *think* I am capable of flight, but that doesn't mean it is so.
@passerby1156 Almost every fan of Silver I've met, including myself, and most fans of Shadow I've met, hate the idea of Shadow being Silver's father, especially when they take into account the word of Shadow's *creator.*
Well I can assume that Ivo stole Shadow’s quill before Gerald got bug zapped and he potentially used the chaos energy to Chaos Control out of there, while knowing the odds of either surviving or not surviving that. With the world thinking him not only gone but also a hero it is the perfect cover to do any of his nefarious projects.
Always interesting to see alternate takes. I am personally happy with what we got. Instead of Shadow and Maria on the moon in a dream scene we got a real moment with them stargazing, and while a longer 1st fight with Shadow could've been neat instead of Tails and Knuckles being K.O.d instantly, it was a cool demonstration of Shadow's overpoweredness and why we all knew it would end bad for Sonic if he gave chase. Lastly, I think it was good that they saved time travel for the 4th movie, and gave us the scene where Sonic and Shadow block the death ray.
The final fight concept makes sense because in cd there is time travel to the past present and future which could’ve been implemented in that version of the last 15 minutes to leave it on a cliffhanger for sonic 4
Actually, time travel will have a role in these story after Shadow used Chaos Control on the Eclipse Cannon…. He got displaced and is now overlooking Mufasa, hanging at the end of a cliff, while muttering, “long live the king”.
The Eggman dance in that movie HAS to be (like or not) one of the best performances Jim Carrey has done in the big scream. I mean COME ON the dude's sixty-two years of age and yet he can still put them feet to work!!! Gotta love Jim Carrey man, truly one of the best.
The only problem I had with the movie was the chao garden. They made it into a Japanese Chuck E. Cheese for comedy instead of the beautiful magical place it is in the source material. They should have made it a secret ancient place on earth for Sonic to find like when he found the compass in an ancient shrine in Siberia or the ancient temple of the master emerald in Arizona which would’ve given earth more ancient connections to aliens. This will hurt Cream and Cheese’s characters if they ever get added to the movies. The next movie needs to have Sonic and the gang go to an another planet. I was hoping for the movie to be darker and have gun be evil government punks who chase after Sonic and his family like they did in the first two movies but they increase their efforts after using satellites to see Sonic use the master emerald to beat eggman. Gun would have been power hungry villains and the movie ends with Sonic and his family being forced off earth to another planet where they start new happy lives with aliens that look human and aliens that look like animals
I think the Chao Garden is meant to be important for the Gun Commander’s character and hint about who Rockwell really is. We know in the game lore that Rouge the bat always worked for gun and has a thing for jewels. And the gun commander would be in the kind of space a younger Rouge would end up at. The fact the Gun Commander trusts Sonic and takes him to the Chao Garden, the place he was the most vulnerable at, can be attributed to him actually having this kind of relationship, but with a alien girl he raised. Rouge the bat.
FUN FACT: The old fleetway UK sonic the comic had a story line with an army of metal sonics called the metaltix lurking in the special stages zone with a hivemind emperor, (Which they could easily write neo metal sonic from heroes in to the role of) Theres alot they could write into it, like flickys from 3d flickys island, opening the special stage rings to get to neo metal sonic.
That time travel and earth destroyed thing could’ve been a Segway for a silver introduction. But we all know sega will never let silver out of jail for his crimes of having his introduction campaign in 06
came up with an excuse as to why sonic and shadow can breathe on the moon despite not being in super forms they are still in possession of the emeralds so they are still granted the ability to survive there
Imagine how simultaneously cool and weird it would be if Sonic Movie 4 was called Sonic CD, especially since Metal and Amy both originated from that game.
This was fun! Should we do more concept art breakdowns?
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"jim carrey is dead" Jim Carrey was so dedicated to the role that he really died in an explosion to make his acting more believable.
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@@just5609 It’s a good thing they changed their minds, so Jim can just stop being dead.
its fake news Jim carry isn't dead it would have been all over the news
@@hiddenflare6169 If Jim Carry was actually dead every news channel would have broadcast it for as long as they did James earl jones
I got weird vibes from Agent Rockwell during the G.U.N scenes. She IMMEDIATELY rifled the pockets of the dying commander for the launch key, which the commander gave to Sonic and told him "You're the only one I trust with this". I think they've set a couple avenues to explain Metal Sonic if Carrey doesn't return.
@@Vacerous Yeah. Who knows, maybe it was actually G.U.N who made the Metal Sonics instead of Eggman. I mean they made all those robots that came out of the Eclipse Cannon, so it isn't too far fetched that they could have made them. Maybe they used some of Eggman's data he collected from Sonic's quill when he used to work with them.
I think she is the next villain. G.U.N still thinks Sonic and his team are traitors, and she might still think that despite Sonic literally saving the world just because he tried to get the key in the first place
@@januszcebulayt7863 Or they blame them for the commander's death.
@@Vacerous eh, whatever makes G.U.N think Sonic, Tails and Knuckles are their enemies works, I guess
@@Vacerous I spent the entire film CONVINCED that Rockwell was actually Rouge in disguise. I still stand by it.
"assume that Jim Carrey is dead" Jim Carrey did such a fantastic job at Eggman and Gerald to the point the actor is now the characters
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They may introduce Eggman Nega... but probably not under that name
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@@mikdan8813 Nothing is wrong with that name, bruh. Y'all are just too sensitive, when actual Black People can care less about that tiny insignificant detail.
What a sensitive and weak generation we are living in, smh.
@NANOMACHINESSON23 you kinda eating your own words here by throwing a hissy fit over an obv damn joke
This movie desperately needed an extra 15 mimutes, this concept art is so sick.
I agree
@LoganHunter-t7wthe only reason the second movie was two hours was because of the wedding scene. And I don’t think u want one of those again
@BritBox777 YES!
Maybe if everyone didn’t bitch online about the wedding scene. They wouldn’t have felt the need to cut this movie shorter
I know
3:18 ngl, this would have made for a hilarious bit. Stone being like "Before we enter, I just need to fill it up-" and then it's just a wide shot of this giant robotic crab being filled at a gas pump while Sonic taps his foot impatiently
@@venomasmark14 yeah that would have been funny
and perfect for a gas company ad placement, or a corner store
I wish this movie got at least 15-30 more minutes. I wished the same for Sonic 1 and 2. Seriously, time constraints are the main thing holding these movies back. I'm not saying these movies need to be Endgame or LOTR long, but they've proven how much they can pack in 20 minutes alone without making it feel like that short of a time span. They should take advantage of that skill.
I was a bit disappointed when I heard this movie would have shorter run time than 2, which I think was the best paced out of the trilogy (although this is obvious due to it being the longest) I think the problem is because its target demo is younger audience, with increasingly shorter attention spans due to the rise of shortform content. The idea the creators have behind the pacing is to make it blazing fast, similar to Mario movie as well. Hope they can find a way to increase run time in future installments
Should have been a two hour, and 30.
@@SonicHubYTI wouldn’t say kids have shorter attention spans. My 7 year old sat through Princess Mononoke, The Boy and The Heron, and Spirited Away just fine and even wished those movies were longer. And those are all around two hours long. And she has sat through the first six Star Wars movies and those are longer than two hours.
It depends on the kid, I suppose. My kid has largely avoided brain rot content.
@@princesspikachu3915 for sure it’s not one size fits all, honestly it’s a case by case basis and I would say I have 0 attention span as well lol. It’s more so what the people who make the movies think and the reason why they pace things the way they do
@@SonicHubYT Maybe they could do a NWH type thing, where in cinema they first release the cut content (faster pace) version and after that, they could release a full content version (with like 20min extra scenes) on streaming OR back into cinemas (or actually both).
I'd say the dance scene made sense not from a movie perspective, but a flex. Ivo and Gerald are the two most brilliant minds in the world, so much in fact, that they can just waltz into one of the most locked down military bases on the planet like they owned the place, AND THEY DID, BECAUSE THEY CAN!
Also a flex they got Jim Carrey to play 2 roles for sure
If they use the time travel element they need to bring in Silver The Hedgehog.
Nah
What do you mean nah? Without him time travel would feel like a shoe in excuse for crappy story telling.
@@ethanwayne6973 Sonic CD and Sonic Generations did it just fine.
@JakeNazzaro I mean, you really don't need to. Especially since the franchise has done time travel before and after(without him there) his debut
@whaleping Yeah, and how do you think they'll adapt those into good movies? And everyone knows the story of Generations is literally its weakest link.
9:47 There was a leak a while ago that explains this, originally this movie had time travel, this is one of those examples. What was originally going to happen was that everyone on earth died from the explosion, but sonic and shadow used time travel to stop it from occuring. Hope this helps 🙂
That would have been dark... but also cool
I mean, I can understand why they would cut this as it doesn't fit with the sa2 plot that the movie is based on. It would feel a bit weird with the plot basically following the events of Sonic Adventure 2 up until the destruction of the earth and then random time travel segment.
Also in the movie The Only Reason Eggman cut the moon in half was because they had to redirect the laser from Earth to the Moon, so that means if they had hit the earth Eggman would not have pissed on the moon.
So a death count of over 8 billion people? Great!
@@Lego_Sonic_The_Hedgehog The Time Travel plot would work very well with Silver being introduced, hopefully they revisit such a plot.
The movie was very innacurate to a sa2 thh, it would probably be better if it was just a remake of the story from sa2 since for the most part it was better
The cannon actually destroying the Earth would been a massive twist. But I think they might've realise time travel was too cheap of a plot device that it wouldn't of worked. It could of worked, but maybe save the time travel for something like an Sonic 06 adaptation with Solaris.
Yes, I do want to see Solaris on the big screen.
Wouldn't have, could have. Would've and Could've sound like -'of' but keep in mind they're contractions.
Aside from that, though, you make a pretty solid point.
I mean tbh it could've lead to a "CHAOS CONTROL" moment.
@@theantagonist801 I don't really focus on what I write on the internet, I write what's already in my head that makes sense, but thank you for the oversight I guess.
Time travel would be with Shadow pushing the Ark and rewinding time with it until it explodes, it would be a very good scene
I think Metal Sonic, Amy, Blaze, and Silver would be the time travelers, and the movie ends with the ending of Silver’s story, with the one doing the sacrifice being a different character.
So a miniature scale is often used in film production to determine the exact dimensions of a set, if it works and how to build it, it is a cost effective way of creating a set before actually building it for real (saves budget waste) so the chao garden was probably made because of the amount of props, actors and camera angles used, it was a busy but confined set and needed to be made with as little changes possible
Thank you for the insight would have never realized all that lol. Cool to know!
he really said
„the fan favorite amy rose!“
and then he went
„oh yeah and metal sonic“
this is basically how my theatre reacted
I’m honestly more excited for metal sonic I wanna see neo metal sonic in the movie even tho it prob won’t happen
I’m glad they didn’t introduce time travel. Now they can have a whole new movie dedicated to it
RAHH
Sonic 06 redemption arc
Silver?
@@phillnyetheplaylistguy3759 I mean they introduced Metal Sonic and Amy, the 2 characters who originated from Sonic CD, which is also about time travel. As someone who grew up with the Adventure era Id prefer to see an adaptation of 06 (they could change a lot and actually make it good) but it is what it is
@@Keanine Honestly, they could do kinda like a 'two parter' with Movie 4 and 5. Time Travel gets introduced in Movie 4, and explored better in Movie 5. Four Gets based on CD and Heroes, and Five on '06.
7:00 I like young shadow looks, same with maria. And how scared he looks. I feel like this how they should have looked in flash backs
baby shadow 💔
Imagine if The Eclipse Cannon fired upon The Earth, and this was the setup for a movie loosely based on Sonic Unleashed?
6:50 it’s good to view it that way. We will never see the sonic movies get as gloomy and melancholic as the games can get because it’s a movie franchise aimed at children and specifically designed for children.
What I expect is a great “comedic semi-retelling of the games that introduces a new audience to those stories so they will hopefully seek them out for themselves after leaving the theater”
Yeah once I accepted that and viewed it from that lense the more some of the goofy stuff grew on me, happy the next generation will get to grow up with this
There's Sonic games that have dark topics and/or Melachoic things and there aimed for kids. The movie was fine as is other than what people pointed out
00's children: *Play Sonic Adventure 2 and watch Sonic X as kids, enjoy a good story*
Same kids now grown up: *We should dumb it down cause it's fOr kIdZ*
I feel like this is gonna age poorly
@@almas4663Blame parents in the 2000s/ early 2010s that threw hissy fits whenever dark themes showed up in 'kids movies'.
They're the reason the industry us afraid showing dark themes towards children
The concept art for this movie is beautiful, especially the Super Sonic vs. Super Shadow one✨️
Shadow: did you say MEXICO?!
@@mikdan8813 Sonic: shadow why do you want to go to Mexico so bad!?
@thefantasticmrMo shadow: I just love Latinas sonic
@@TheNoobWasHere Adios amigo! 🇲🇽
That's where the Latinas are >.>
Latinas!
I'd speculate that Sonic Movie 4 is going to be a mixed adaptation between Sonic CD and Sonic Heroes. Sonic Movie 2 was a mixed adaptation between Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic Adventure and then Sonic Movie 3 was primarily adapting SA2, so it makes sense that for the next entry they'd mix it up a bit between the main new characters introduction game (CD) and the next major game in the timeline which also happened to feature Metal Sonic as the main antagonist (Heroes).
With this idea in mind, I'd imagine that the story will primarily draw inspiration from CD, but also include elements from Heroes to round it out into a similar sort of experience. We've got the Amy and Metal reveal, but it's possible we could also get Cream, Big, Rouge, and Omega. This would allow for three of the four teams in Heroes to become fully formed; Team Sonic, Team Dark, and Team Rose. They might also do something with the Chaotix and mix their game into the mix, but we'll have to wait and see.
Then if they ever get around to Sonic Movie 5, it would make sense to move on to the Shadow 05 adaptation and introduce Black Doom as the primary antagonist. In this version I'd imagine that Sonic would still be the main protagonist instead of shifting over to Shadow, but he'd be a big central focus again and might start remembering things from before he crashed down on Earth. Perhaps he was sent to Earth to carry out some sort of mission, and he ends up needing to choose whether to maintain his alliance with the others or side with Doom to invade the Earth? They could also mix this up together with their Sonic 06 and Sonic Rivals adaptation to include Silver into the plot, perhaps to warn the others about Doom. In this adaptation perhaps instead of going after Sonic, he's got it out for Shadow for choosing to side with Doom in his history's version of events. Mephiles could also make an appearance as like Shadow's brother or something, and could be working for Doom instead of having connections to Solaris.
I don't really expect most of this to be accurate but it's just a bunch of stuff that makes sense to me.
What’s interesting is that basically have a blank slate considering CD is a 16 bit game with no dialogue, so they can do a lot with the story and it won’t be held to this standard we had for Movie 3 was because it was mostly an SA2 adaptation. Heroes will be cool to adapt elements from as well since that was probably metals biggest shine in the series, as well as potential for other characters like you mentioned. I’m excited about what future can hold for the series
@@SonicHubYT That's true. CD's story is a pretty basic bullet point presentation where you have events but not dialogue. They're probably not going to have Amy get kidnapped this time around considering the butt kicking she was doing in the end credits scene, so if they're going to do anything with that plot point they might use Cream, Cheese, or Froggy instead.
'This would allow for three of the four teams in Heroes to become fully formed; Team Sonic, Team Dark, and Team Rose.'
I don't think this is possible in a film. They won't have enough time to introduce all these characters and give each of them enough screen time for it to matter.
There is no way they will do the teams in one film.
Honestly I don’t see them putting that many characters in 4. Team Dark is DEFINITELY getting saved for the shadow movie, if they make it, and will probably have the black arms plot instead of sonic 5. As for Team Rose, Cream and Cheese have like a 10% or less of a chance of showing up and Big has a 25% chance of showing up (I say 25 because apparently in sonic 2 they were going to put a skeleton of one of Big’s species so they’re at least considering him). Also I have no idea where the chaotix show up. 4 is definitely gonna be a mix of CD and Heroes tho.
Edit: as for sonic 5 and possibly 6, they could go in 2 directions
1. Have 5 be SA1 and 6 be 06
2. Split 06 into 5 and 6
Disney is in serious trouble if they already announced sonic 4
But sega will always cook forever
Disney can afford to keep making money loosing garbage(Mufasa budget is beyond box office so net is loss).
They have a monopoly and hardcore cult like fanbase that will see every movie no matter how poorly rated(56% rotten pro score yet 80%+ fan score).
@@SI0AXIt's the opposite the critics rate the garbage 80 while people who watch it rate it 34
@@JobertTheGOATED-156 I use rotten tomatoes TBH. It has 56% critics and now 89% "popcorn review" which is audience.
Something I’ve always kind of liked about Metal Sonic is how they’ve pretty much never really changed his design since the Sonic OVA
(Not counting Neo Metal Sonic)
Even in Sonic Boom they kept his original design.
The only time they’ve ever changed his appearance was with Chaos Sonic in Sonic Prime who was technically a different character and in Sonic Generations where they gave him a classic style appearance.
That being said that arm cannon that Metal Sonic has in the after credits scene is new
(Although I could be wrong)
@@oOSonicexeOo The biggest change to Metal Sonic is him having longer proportions and having hips. I'm dead serious. In his older designs, the legs poked out of his turbine shaped torso.
The arm cannon is likey based on Metal Sonic 3.0 from the Archie comics. Which is interesting because 3.0 eventually went rogue and because a hero under the name Shard. He even had a friendship with Nicole before he got retconned out of existence thanks to the Pender lawsuit. He wasn't actually designed by Ken, but the Power Gem he runs off was.
@@zaynew9521 shard* not shade
@@rivalflash4569 Oops. Thanks for pointing out the typo. It's fixed now.
Love concept art. This must go in an art book.
Maybe Sonic time traveled to a bad future at the end of Sonic 3 during the race because he went so fast and that is why there are multiple Metal Sonics (the bad future is one where Neo Metal has won) and maybe Amy is the only resistance left (like how Silver and Blaze are the only ones left in Crisis City in 06).
3:35 - Looks lika a GTA loading screen lol
The part of Shadow still fighting Sonic in super form while the ARK already blast the earth could be actually look like if Sonic didn't punched Shadow but instead Shadow had straight up surprised attack him for the second time and letting the ARK blast the Earth, Wiping everyone in the world. So that concept could be look like if Shadow is still a villain and never had a change of heart.
If the Ark blasted earth, tails dies
No, because in the leaked Storyboard you can see Shadow pushing the Ark, so at some point he would have his redemption.
"It's presumed Jim Carrey is probably dead"
Bro made me laugh my ass off.
0:55 if you watch the end credit scene closely, the first metal sonic that attacks Sonic is blue, while the others are grey. He's likely the true metal sonic, and wanting to avenge eggman, created a whole army.
@Joneender idk, it could very well just be the gloomy light setting
6:12 WHAT?!?! HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY HATE THE DANCING SCENE?!?!?! GALVANIZE WAS THE BEST CHOICE THE PRODUCERS CHOSE!
I wish Garold would have been more sinister and serious like the tone of shadow. It fits his character in games better
Garold in this movie explains what Eggman wanted to be.
what if sonic ran so fast in the post credits, he accidentally warped to a bad future, which is how he got to new york, and is why amy is there in a cloak because she leads some kind of resistance against metal sonic or his creator
@@ProbablyNot021 New York is only possible in a bad future?
@@g3vevo334 I think he means that he ran to new York but also to a bad future
@@horribleuploadscheduleI don't think it's a different timeline unless that timeline also had an Eclipse Cannon slicing a piece off the moon.
@@g3vevo334 this is my new headcannon for reality. our timeline is so incredibly cooked and dystopian that New York exists
lmfaooo
@@jaryRim well not everything changes in a different timeline
But a different timeline would employ features from the games so i wouldnt be surprised
My head Canon is GUN will making Mecha Sonic in order to distinguish him from eggman creating metal, I'm even working on a video for that
That would allow Infinite and Sage to be made without being redundant.
And perhaps have a twist in that Metal Sonic thinks he is saving the future.
@@justice8718 I don't know, o like metal being blatantly evil with no motivation besides Sonic himself and eggman's will. As far as surge and infinite, I don't think we will get there, infinite maybe but surge and kit are a no despite how much I like their characters, they work much better in the world of the comics and games with more animal people and Dr starline, I think it would be decades before we can get to a point where they fit in that could do their story Justice, not to mention their story leans a bit darker then what the movies would probably go for what who knows if they showed up I certainly wouldn't be upset as long as they were handled properly
@@benogle4951 Sage, not Surge. Sage as in Eggman’s daughter.
@@benogle4951 Think of Metal Sonic this way. Instead of him being the reason for the future’s ruin, he is actually the one that is preserving Silver’s, Blaze’s, and Amy’s future from the threat of Iblis.
Inspired by the stories of Sonic to be the hero. But also inspired by the rumors of Sonic being the reason for the future’s current state. Making him desire to replace and destroy Sonic to be “the real Sonic”.
Pulling Knuckles and Tails out from the shadow fight was the correct move. Now they can do the boss fight from Sonic Heroes as "Sonic did not ran off as Super Sonic to fight alone this time".
The multiple metal sonics remind me of Metallix from the fleetway sonic comics in the UK, where there was one ringleader metal sonic and there were other metal sonic which were called "Metallix"
3:12 the crab in the concept art looks like a Horizon enemy
If the shadow spin off is a sequel the villain should be black doom and he should team up with rouge and omega and fight black doom and learn how he was made then in knuckles season two they should have the chaotix and this all leads to an Sonic heros movie
@@tepe6716 yeah no doubt feels like the direction rn.
@ definitely
@@tepe6716 They wouldn’t introduce major characters in a Knuckles style mini series
@@tepe6716 But if it was a movie, that changes things
@@tepe6716 I can see sonic heroes being the finale to the sonic movies.
Saw the movie again and they totally could've added the Mexico scene or something else, movie was shorter than the first time I saw it lol.
4:35 the movie needed more scenes from shadow or an additional fight scene between sonic and shadow in London
1:09 Probably somewhere in Mexico.
@@stingtheeelthecat983 he just loves latinas, guys
(Insert Cantion del Mariachi by Antonio Bandeiras)
@@stingtheeelthecat983 ok buddy
@@SNASTALE7963 "Tell the latinas I love them Sonic"
Say that again
I just love Latinas Sonic
Here's my opinion on the Super Sonic vs Super Shadow fight concept art was, after they were the only survivors due to being in their super form Shadow realizing what he'd done. This would set up bot CD and Silver, as after this happened Sonic and Shadow would sit in the remains of the earth giving up hope before Silver would appear a time stone in his hand attacking the two as he believed them to be the reason for his ruined future, after Sonic and Shadow would try and fight him as a duo Silver would hold them both in the air with his psychokinesis telling them that the time stone's would be the way to fix everything IE the time travel element. (Silver would have all the time stones along with his backstory) After all this upon time traveling Silver would go with them keeping the time stones just in case something goes wrong. The final fight would basically be the exact same but with Silver there using his psychokinesis to help the two Super hedgehogs. The end scene would be the same maybe Silver in the back cheering them on since he wasn't with the two hedgehogs when they both went Super so he couldn't do much. Once Sonic would start falling down to earth instead of Tails completely failing at using the warp ring falling with Sonic before Knuckles saved the day Silver would catch them with his psychokinesis slowing them down but them already falling at maximum velocity would pull him down with them keeping Tails completely conscious but dropped the ring still before Knuckles would save them. Everything else would stay the same + 1 Silver. Bonus thing for how Sonic 4's CD adaptation with the time travel would happen, during the fall to earth the time stones would become loose falling off of Silver floating in space all of them getting caught by the death eggs explosion but only the aftershock sending them back down to earth. Silver would be forced to stay until they have all the time stones back.
Sonic 4 will probably have a ton of time travel. I'm glad this Amy isn't totally helpless like in CD.
I like that she’s feminine…I hope they don’t make her a girlboss. Would love to have Metallic Madness Bad Future Japanese version show up in the film, in a bleak future version of the world in which a Robotnik voice over loudspeakers is blaring out “D-d-dead or alive…Sonic is mine”. And it goes without saying Metal Sonic would need to be terrifying and unstoppable, at least for part of the film. Having Amy Rose get kidnapped could be a great plot point- she can be tough but still have a damsel in distress moment.
@@VardaMusic I agree I think writing her different from how she used to be is for the best obviously but being in love with Sonic is part of her character, and making her one of those girl boss characters who’s traits that are supposed to make them strong and independent just make them insufferable and rude. My worst fear is that they reverse the roles and Sonic is the one dimensional love interest.
@@superxcrazy1989 Why?
@@theantagonist801 Why would it be bad that Sonic becomes a one dimensional love interest? Why what?
@superxcrazy1989 Yeah, why? If you think Sonic would become a one dimensional love interest, you don't know what one dimensional means.
personally since i never saw anything about the time travel draft of the movie, i never considered gerald's involvement to be time travel when the first trailer dropped, always just assumed that he was a hallucination of eggman's
8:25
Sonic: Shadow what are you doing up there?
Shadow: im just foreshadowing
honestly I feel like they are going to be using New York, as the station square
If sonic movie 4 is gonna have time travel, I bet ya there’s gonna be a scene where sonic has the option to prevent long claws death but in order to stay with his family he chooses not to.
Or he does and creates Sonicpoint
Knuckles and Long Claw in the alternate timeline are gonna fight to the death. Tails never finds Sonic. Back on Earth Shadow and Gerald are gonna kill everyone. Everything Sonic knows goes to hell if he tries a “Flashpoint Paradox”
1:39 My theory is:Shadow was sent to earth in that meteor by black doom to be some sort of spy for the black arms to see if the people of earth could destroy the black arms if they invade earth, but on the impact, shadow forgot about why he was there, and forgot all about the black arms and his mission.
And for the shadow spinoff that takes place after sonic 3:I think black doom will invade earth, while looking for shadow. And when black doom finds shadow, be remembers who black doom is, and is conflicted on what he should do, either help black doom destroy the world, or protect the world.
Seems like a good theory
I think they could’ve marinated on Maria’s death a bit more show shadows anger and sadness.
The reason there are multiple Metal Sonics is because they're likely taking cues from the Fleetway comics where Metal Sonic (called Matallix in the comic for whatever reason) was a larger red version of the Metal Sonic we know and led an army of regular Metal Sonics. He was also created by a character named Grimer in that story who, in one timeline, acted as Robotnik's henchman but still created Metallix in the timeline without Robotnik. If Eggman is dead then we might have Grimer as a new antagonist, or Stone might either replace Grimer or become him if not a new Robotnik.
A hideout in Mexico…
“I love Latinas sonic”
Also something I love is that amy has her sonic BOOM hair style.
What I assumed watching the post credit scene was that most of the metal Sonics are supposed to be the movie version of the silver sonics cause only one of them looked blue the rest looked gray but it could've just been the lighting
@No-xf8kk Tyson Hesse says the Metals are all different colours.
@@bridgetthonnold1289 Why are you spamming this everywhere?
@steampunk-llama thanks for saying what they're doing I got really confused for a moment cause I never even mentioned ugly Sonic
10:12 EGGMAN SUCCESSFULLY GETS REVENGE ON WHAT SHADOW DID TO HIS WIFE
What..
@@Dat_SheepMCyou had to be there man
@@Dat_SheepMC A reference to one of the most mid, overused and unfunny fandubs for Sonic Adventure 2
@@signature_forger remember you won’t ever make anything as creative or iconic in life your as these fandubs
@Lazilyenergetic I PISSED ON THE MOON YOU IDIOT
I think sonic movie 4 will give Sonic his super peel out running animation to time travel since it seems like they are going the Sonic CD story route
I'm really curious how that would look in live action
I mean, while it would have been a big twist, it would have been cheap to just randomly introduce time travel to save the Earth. If they want to do that, they should dedicate a whole different movie to it with Silver and maybe Blaze. So I'm glad we didn't actually get this yet. It would have been a bit forced in my opinion.
At one point I thought Gerald was actually going to be Black Doom... I did not guess that correctly
9:48 I don’t know if you remember or saw but I think this would’ve explained one shot I saw in one of the TV Spots for the movie where the GUN Building gets blown up and destroyed by the canon
I knew I wasn't imagining that.
London turning into Crisis City seems pretty fitting
@@theantagonist801 I can picture that
I just wish it was included though…
That shot was already in the movie when Gerald was telling his plan about destroying GUN Headquarters and then the entire planet
@ It was never included in the movie…
It would make sense if it was in that scene but I looked and it was not included in that scene
I believe that part of the plot of the next movie will be Amy having some connection to Longclaw because we need to return to alien worlds if she's gonna be brought up like a ghost. We may even see Cream since we now have the introduction of Chao Garden for Cheese and/or Chocola Chao.
Tails and Knuckles will take a backseat or have a supporting role, which will take place far away from Sonic until the final battle. At that point, we'll see Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Amy in an epic stance.
I also like the idea of Tails getting the Knuckles treatment with a spinoff.
Might be a controversial take here, but I'm pretty certain the eclipse cannon hitting earth in the concept art is essentially just a 'show the threat level' idea - the concept is 'Sonic is prioritising fighting Shadow over stopping the world-ending threat' and we basically got exactly that.
Yeah I wish eclipse cannon got flexed a little more like how they do it in SA2
@@SonicHubYTThey did. They showed it cutting the moon. If the Earth were cut with that, it would be dead. Planet's core would have been exposed, releasing all of the heat, shutting down the magnosphere, dooming Earth to lose its atmosphere from solar radiation stripping it away. The last inhabitants of Earth would die a painful death-radiation sickness and asphyxiation.
8:46 It kinda looks like the Biolizard, with the base being the life support system
@@C_Yo yeah that had to have been intentional
IM GLAD SHADOW IS ALIVE THOO
since theres metal, jim has to return as nega eggman
I could see 4 being a mix of CD and Heroes and Shadow's series would be based on his game obv. All ik is that live action Neo Metal Sonic and Metal Overlord with "What I'm Made Of" would break the internet in the best way possible.
i think that image of him sitting with maria wouldve been a day dream he had during or after the fight with sonic where it flashes between the 2 images of them sitting looking at earth. him imagining it was with maria after his talk with sonic
5:15 it appears at some point instead of the mountain lab they undeed where gonna use the original story behind shadow aka the ark and maria being ill and imuno compromised n stuff maybe even gerald creating him too tho they chosen the full on alien route
11:41 and regarding gerald being alive i do faintly recall a storyline where indeed gerald robotnik survived but he was also locked away and he just wasnt the same man when he was free...he was clinically insane far worse than eggman but also...in the games there are hints of gerald already being not a good person like he used marias pet lizard for his experiments like what the actual fuck who does that? Someone who was already not a good person to begin with thats what
I see Paramount easily being able to make a Shadow movie before Sonic 4 and because it would just be Shadow as the only CGI character so it could have around an 80 million budget and release mid 2026
Black doom though.
@joshshrum2764 I just released a pretty funny Sonic video could you check it out please 🥺
@joshshrum2764 Black Doom is a good story but in movies he'd have to be so powerful that'd I think he could be a final fight in like Sonic 6 or something
@@joshshrum2764not to mention the other black arms alien soldiers
@@joshshrum2764not to mention the other black arms aliens
I absolutely love dissociating from real life and just watching sonic lore videos, this video was great and I really hope Sega takes the potential they have for these movies and doesn't disappoint
I remember seeing a video by the guy that made the end credits low poly animations, apparently executives love dance scenes & he was like "That's why you see a lot of dancing in anime"
I like the sonic and shadow space fight in their super forms concept art, but why is Sonic’s teeth so huge?
I had literally the same reaction to the Eggman dance. I was initially opposed, but now all I hear in my brain is "PUSH THE BUTTON" any time I do anything
I just wish Sonic had his fangs again.
Sonic 5 will be Silver's debut.
i think they set up eggman and shadow joining forces perfectly.
Since they used a "Lazer gun" to destroy Maria indirectly, It would most likely be a ratings issue if they actually did an orbital strike on the planet.
There's a theory that eggman nega could be the villan in the sonic movie 4
imagine if dreams of an absolution starts playing in the post credit scene of sonic 4 and silver just pops out of nowhere, would be peak cinema
I feel like the laser firing concept art would have been more of a "The laser will hit the earth's core and trigger an explosion in 10 minutes!" Rough draft.
I really do hope that Movie 4 uses time travel and we get something with Longclaw being brought to the present and she gets to see how Sonic has ended up, but realizes she must go back in order to keep history going. For if she and the Echidnas don't die in battle, then Knuckles never leaves his home. And because of that, a chain reaction of events would threaten to undo everything Sonic has found on Earth. So he's stuck with a choice, his original parental figure he's wanted back for so long, or stay with the home he's created for himself now. This way we could finally wrap up his arc with looking back at the life he moved on from and his complete acceptance of his new life.
Maybe when sonic made a deal with with eggy eggman could have already planned to make metal sonic he just needed his quill to finish metal sonic
We were told we were getting 2 1/2 hours of movie. 2 AND A HALF HOURS!
@@logan4579 really?? what’s the source for that?
@ honestly don’t remember
Honestly, I think 2 and a half hours should've been enough for this film, 1 hour and 50 minutes felt short for me when I watched the film at first@@logan4579
@@artforgreatness2015biolizard definitely could have showed up then.
@joshshrum2764 Yeah, honestly, I was disappointed from how Biolizard didn't show up, but still, I thought the film was enjoyable. Apparently if I remembered, there's an easter egg where Shadow and Maria are watching a film together during a flashback where you see a monster fighting, yes that's Biolizard.
My suspicion is that Eggman got teleported to Sonic’s home world in the explosion, created a bunch of metal sonics and Amy came to earth looking for his help.
One thing that immediately came to my mind in the post-credit scene with Metal Sonic was the Brotherhood of Metallix from the Fleetway comics. The plot of Sonic movie 4 is probably going to be based around Sonic CD, but I don't doubt that the screenwriters may also be looking to other stories in the franchise for inspiration.
In any case, I just want "What I'm Made Of" to get the same treatment that "Live and Learn" had
I think they saved time travel for Silver, jeff fowler has a silver and cyan color chao behind him in a video with stage 4 behind him... at 10:58 i think this could switched to silver, 200 years in the future with the decay of the building/lab and skeleton. If they decide to retcon silver as shadow son based of shadow quill used to create silver. end credits--spoilers --- Shadow might been sent to silver timeline. the sky is orange/red hue similar to iblis destroying world with fire. Also if nega eggman in the future can see him use Silver quill for time travel. it was stated why gerald was alive in cut content was because of shadow quill had time stopping properties preserving gerald..
Silver has never been stated as Shadow's son, and the creator of Shadow himself confirmed he wasn't. I'd rule out Silver being Shadow's son, because a lot of the fans wouldn't like that.
But then again, nobody on the main cast seems to know who Silver is :(
@@theantagonist801 Shadow is portrayed as Silver father in sonic and the black knight. As silver is galahad who is lancelot son.
I did hear about the debunk by that guy but apparently it was facebook post so imo not sure if really him or staff, but he goes back on some thing he says didn't happen as seen from other people comments calling him out.
Even ian Ian Flynn stated he thought silver was shadow son. Also both shadow and silver can do chaos control (sonic was retcon recently he can't do chaos control) So that imo strong indication silver is linked in some way and plus paramount stated they had big plans for silver. even generations gerald talked about shadow needing someone to chaos control with him to open time portal..
@@theantagonist801 Also fans don't hate the idea of shadow being silver father, there actually big support from fans since they saw lancelot and galahad. plus similarity between shadow and silver along with chaos control. it not hated.
@passerby1156 This may hurt to read, but Sonic and the Black Knight isn't canon.
And apart from that, Shadow needing another person to open the portal of time? That doesn't make Silver his son, if it even WAS Silver who helped. Anyone with a Chaos Emerald can chaos control, I'd reckon. And in your other sentence, you immediately disproved yourself. Ian Flynn said he *thought* Silver was Shadow's son. I can *think* I am capable of flight, but that doesn't mean it is so.
@passerby1156 Almost every fan of Silver I've met, including myself, and most fans of Shadow I've met, hate the idea of Shadow being Silver's father, especially when they take into account the word of Shadow's *creator.*
Do you guys think they used the game model of metal sonic for sonic 3? In the movie, he looks like the game version of himself.
he's WAAAAAYYYYYYY more detailed than in the games
They didn't, the movie one is more detailed by having lines that I think are supposed to power when he uses his power.
@@Keatys-sonic-show also the proportions pretty different to better match movie sonic's more realistic proportions
@ i see, it’s still looks great
@@bridgetthonnold1289 I wonder what the other characters would look like if sonic kept his old design
Well I can assume that Ivo stole Shadow’s quill before Gerald got bug zapped and he potentially used the chaos energy to Chaos Control out of there, while knowing the odds of either surviving or not surviving that. With the world thinking him not only gone but also a hero it is the perfect cover to do any of his nefarious projects.
I'm still convinced that Agent Rockwell is Rouge in disguise.
I like to think that there’s a real chao garden in the universe, and the creator of the restaurant saw it once
i literally couldnt stop screaming "SILVER" whenever time travel was being brought up...
Entire movie I was waiting for shadows iconic catchphrase “Damn, not here.”
Always interesting to see alternate takes. I am personally happy with what we got. Instead of Shadow and Maria on the moon in a dream scene we got a real moment with them stargazing, and while a longer 1st fight with Shadow could've been neat instead of Tails and Knuckles being K.O.d instantly, it was a cool demonstration of Shadow's overpoweredness and why we all knew it would end bad for Sonic if he gave chase. Lastly, I think it was good that they saved time travel for the 4th movie, and gave us the scene where Sonic and Shadow block the death ray.
The final fight concept makes sense because in cd there is time travel to the past present and future which could’ve been implemented in that version of the last 15 minutes to leave it on a cliffhanger for sonic 4
I think a shadow spin-off is the way to go for him
Actually, time travel will have a role in these story after Shadow used Chaos Control on the Eclipse Cannon….
He got displaced and is now overlooking Mufasa, hanging at the end of a cliff, while muttering, “long live the king”.
The Eggman dance in that movie HAS to be (like or not) one of the best performances Jim Carrey has done in the big scream. I mean COME ON the dude's sixty-two years of age and yet he can still put them feet to work!!! Gotta love Jim Carrey man, truly one of the best.
The only problem I had with the movie was the chao garden. They made it into a Japanese Chuck E. Cheese for comedy instead of the beautiful magical place it is in the source material. They should have made it a secret ancient place on earth for Sonic to find like when he found the compass in an ancient shrine in Siberia or the ancient temple of the master emerald in Arizona which would’ve given earth more ancient connections to aliens. This will hurt Cream and Cheese’s characters if they ever get added to the movies. The next movie needs to have Sonic and the gang go to an another planet. I was hoping for the movie to be darker and have gun be evil government punks who chase after Sonic and his family like they did in the first two movies but they increase their efforts after using satellites to see Sonic use the master emerald to beat eggman. Gun would have been power hungry villains and the movie ends with Sonic and his family being forced off earth to another planet where they start new happy lives with aliens that look human and aliens that look like animals
I think the Chao Garden is meant to be important for the Gun Commander’s character and hint about who Rockwell really is.
We know in the game lore that Rouge the bat always worked for gun and has a thing for jewels. And the gun commander would be in the kind of space a younger Rouge would end up at.
The fact the Gun Commander trusts Sonic and takes him to the Chao Garden, the place he was the most vulnerable at, can be attributed to him actually having this kind of relationship, but with a alien girl he raised. Rouge the bat.
Not the first time this has happened. Perhaps a real Chao garden exists somewhere in Japan.
@@sonicmastersword8080 Maybe the Gun commander was involved with finding Chao and caused a massive brand based on it
FUN FACT: The old fleetway UK sonic the comic had a story line with an army of metal sonics called the metaltix lurking in the special stages zone with a hivemind emperor, (Which they could easily write neo metal sonic from heroes in to the role of)
Theres alot they could write into it, like flickys from 3d flickys island, opening the special stage rings to get to neo metal sonic.
10:45 bruh i though tyou was finna talk about dark gaia
That time travel and earth destroyed thing could’ve been a Segway for a silver introduction. But we all know sega will never let silver out of jail for his crimes of having his introduction campaign in 06
came up with an excuse as to why sonic and shadow can breathe on the moon
despite not being in super forms they are still in possession of the emeralds so they are still granted the ability to survive there
Imagine how simultaneously cool and weird it would be if Sonic Movie 4 was called Sonic CD, especially since Metal and Amy both originated from that game.
Instead of Compact Disk, it could stand for something relevant to the movie's plot, like "Chaos divergence" or something similar...
I'd definitely really like to see some of these concepts explored in future movies 👀