I have brewed with all those hops and I agree however it would be an interesting experiment to plant these hops in New Zealand and/or Australia and see how the terroir changes their characteristics. Cheers!
I agree with the Summit Hop inclusion. I made a beer with it heavy in the late hop, and it was potent onion garlic. Although when I smelled it out of the bag all I got was powerful grapefruit. It is a really good bittering hop though, and I have used it in pale ales, brown ales and lagers. A little goes a long way.
As a home brewer I really appreciate that you guys took the time to share and explain what hops haven't worked well for y'all because we can all learn as much from what doesn't work as we can from the stuff that works well. Great level of detail in your reasoning/experience with each hop, I feel like based on your input I can better choose when to use or not use each hop, depending on my use case.
Not only we enjoy and learn lots from you about beer but you also broaden our vocabulary with words like alleacious. Thanks for the great content. Cheers Nate!
I’ve never brewed with any of these hops, but my number one choice would easily be Zappa! The most bitter and astringent hop I have ever used. Just using it as a late addition, makes it feel like you’re drinking unripe persimmon and rubber bands. To top it all off it’s often quite expensive!
Thank you for putting up videos like this. It’s always interesting to get your perspective and little pieces of wisdom from your experiences. Treehouse really was my gateway into appreciating IPAs, and definitely changed my perspective on what beer could be. I have been looking for something similar here in Tx, but Treehouse is truly one of a kind. As a hobby home brewer, these videos are super interesting. Keep doing what you’re doing man! Any chance we could get a video on changes or challenges you faced when stepping up production from homebrew/small scale to commercial?
Motueka hops give me goosebumps, in a bad way. I really want to like it, but if i order a beer, drink a sip, get shivers and goosebumps, it is always a Motueka beer.
oh no, just received Apollo! But as a bittering hop for a WC IPA with coffee-infusion. The other hop is Simcoe for late additions. Guess I use little of Apollo later in the boil :)
The brewery I work at utilities Sorachi Ace in our spring IPA to get that lemony characteristic. We tag team it with green bullet and Azacca hops. I find it very subtle
I find any of the Neomexicanus hops to be particularly challenging to use. Specifically, they take on some unpleasant qualities when used in large amounts.
never learned the specifics of hops, but i always read the info, and considering i dont remember seeing any of these, they must not be too popular here either. my least favorite hop though, are beers made exclusively/mostly with cryo-hops. it's like whisky that has been chill-filtered, removing flavor from the finish... just make a better recipe if they dont like how it tastes ending too bitter haha
My worst hop pick: Northern Brewer. I felt like washing my tongue after drinking the beer I made with it. But as you mentioned, I think Summit is a very decent bittering hop.
Summit's onion/garlic flavor is one of my least favorites as well. To the point that I will completely avoid beers if they have it listed as a hop they use. There was a period a couple of years ago where I seemed to find hazy after hazy that had summit. Interestingly, that sparked my romance anew with West Coast IPAs.
Sitting here feeling cool and alternative. Sorachi ace is my favourite hop - it's strangeness is the key to its deliciousness. Each to thier own. It's the Tom Waits of hops. You guys can keep your "tasty", non-weird popular hops.
Sorachi Ace has always been the one I don't like. I remember doing a vertical of the mikkeller single hop beers like 10 years ago and that was the main one I didn't like.
I was caught off guard by Sorachi Ace on the list! One of my favorite beers to make a blonde ale that is a 50/50 blend of Cascade and Sorachi Ace. Really brings out the lemon character. As for my least hops - Palisade, Belma and El Dorado. Just never got what I was looking for out of them.
I kinda like OG in some NEIPA.. It’s a nice change up but I can see how it would clash with your house yeast expression. Might kinda work the Ferns 🤔. I’ve found it to be enjoyable in the Substance, which they say happens to include Apollo, and Fiddlehead IPA. Although, Fiddlehead seemed to have lost that quality and was more of a fruit bomb when I had it recently, which was a little disappointing. A few popular IPAs are made with Falconers Flight, which I don’t remember you guys ever mentioning. Often hazy beers with Motueka, especially from Tree House, end up being pretty overripe. I’m also sensitive to a chalky quality in Strata.
A few years back when everybody was losing their mind over Citra, I thought great, let’s give it a go. Brewed an all-citra PA, and jt was just flat out cat pee. I’ve enjoyed some lovely beers where Citra was a small part of the hop combo, but on its own I just can’t do it.
Not a fan of Taiheke, which is NZ Cascade. For me, it tastes soapy. Others don't get this flavour from it, but I do. But US Cascade is fine, big fan of that.
I understand the assessment of these three hops. Definitely not my favorites. For me, Nelson and Sabro can take a hike. I don't particularly have a third least favorite that i can think of right now.
Sabro and Talus are my choices. I mostly get “earthy” qualities aka dirt! Or “woody” too. The third hop which has varying results for me is…this is going to p*ss some folks off…citra. Sometimes I get such a strong “cat pee” aroma in beers that I’ve bought and it throws off the whole experience. But I’ve also had some heavy citra beers that have been fruity and nice. But I’d rather it be used as a complimentary hop with higher quantities of others in the recipe.
Stone hop revolver herkules a German hop varietal that smelled like fish or Limburger (sp) cheese, one of absolute worst or top five that even Treehouse could not blend
The one I can never get past is Enigma. It has that gym sock feel and don't know I've found an enjoyable representation yet. Vic secret's woodiness is hit or miss and that soapy coconut of Sabro was one of my biggest write offs until the 'Snow' family of beers! You guys dialed that one in better than anyone else.
Aleatious?! To sum up this video, I think we can expect a "Summit Julius" in 2024, right? "We taste: Notes of garlic and onion, bursting with a bright tropical aroma and a melange of citrus." 😂
My least liked hop by a large margin is Pride Of Ringwood. It has been for many decades the go to hop for Australian macro lager and I can't stand it. It tastes of Iron.
I have had an Ace Saison, and it was just too much. I think adding too many similar flavors can overwhelm the pallet. You wouldn't make a chocolate cake with chocolate frosting, a chocolate glaze, and serve it with chocolate ice cream.
There's an Australian hop called Victoria Secret and....I swear it makes beer taste like the worst, burnt plastic phenolic disaster. I just don't get why it exists
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Make a beer with everything you dislike and maybe they cancel each other out? LOL.
I learn something from every one of these wonderful videos. Today you forced me to look up “alliaceous”. Thanks for improving my vocabulary!
thanks!
I have brewed with all those hops and I agree however it would be an interesting experiment to plant these hops in New Zealand and/or Australia and see how the terroir changes their characteristics. Cheers!
I agree with the Summit Hop inclusion. I made a beer with it heavy in the late hop, and it was potent onion garlic. Although when I smelled it out of the bag all I got was powerful grapefruit. It is a really good bittering hop though, and I have used it in pale ales, brown ales and lagers. A little goes a long way.
As a home brewer I really appreciate that you guys took the time to share and explain what hops haven't worked well for y'all because we can all learn as much from what doesn't work as we can from the stuff that works well. Great level of detail in your reasoning/experience with each hop, I feel like based on your input I can better choose when to use or not use each hop, depending on my use case.
Not only we enjoy and learn lots from you about beer but you also broaden our vocabulary with words like alleacious. Thanks for the great content. Cheers Nate!
My pleasure!
I’ve never brewed with any of these hops, but my number one choice would easily be Zappa! The most bitter and astringent hop I have ever used. Just using it as a late addition, makes it feel like you’re drinking unripe persimmon and rubber bands. To top it all off it’s often quite expensive!
also have not loved our experience with Zappa, but we were able to pull some OK flavors out of it.
The second you revealed summit hops, I was hooked.
I never liked Sorachi Ace, then I found a way to utilize it in a lemongrass thai ginger pilsner with saaz and it balances quite well.
Anyone remember Gubna from Oskar Blues? Pretty sure that was a Summit bomb. Loved it 10-15 years ago.
Who wouldn’t want a garlic, onion and dill beer.
Pair it with a nice bratwurst, sounds delicious
Vampires, I assume.
Thank you for putting up videos like this. It’s always interesting to get your perspective and little pieces of wisdom from your experiences. Treehouse really was my gateway into appreciating IPAs, and definitely changed my perspective on what beer could be. I have been looking for something similar here in Tx, but Treehouse is truly one of a kind. As a hobby home brewer, these videos are super interesting. Keep doing what you’re doing man!
Any chance we could get a video on changes or challenges you faced when stepping up production from homebrew/small scale to commercial?
Motueka hops give me goosebumps, in a bad way. I really want to like it, but if i order a beer, drink a sip, get shivers and goosebumps, it is always a Motueka beer.
I made a good cuumber saison that was pickle-like but still good towards the end. Sounds like a job for Sorachi Ace!
oh no, just received Apollo! But as a bittering hop for a WC IPA with coffee-infusion. The other hop is Simcoe for late additions. Guess I use little of Apollo later in the boil :)
Well I guess the really popular Julius homebrew clone can be thrown out the window because it’s practically Apollo and Citra
My thoughts exactly
🤷🏻♂️
It's all smoke and mirrors, I bet all 3 of these are in Julius 😂
The brewery I work at utilities Sorachi Ace in our spring IPA to get that lemony characteristic. We tag team it with green bullet and Azacca hops. I find it very subtle
cool if you can pull only lemon for sure!
I’m so happy to see I’m not the only one who gets overwhelming dill out of Sorachi Ace.
I find any of the Neomexicanus hops to be particularly challenging to use. Specifically, they take on some unpleasant qualities when used in large amounts.
Medusa probably the best hop ever produced, so sad it's gone. And Todd Bates, The Godfather is gone too ;-(
CTZ has been great a couple times for me but I think I'm done with it in the dryhop. It can be super onion/garlic a lot of the time.
Possibly for your next vlog: best pineapplely, best appley. best mangoish. I can go on and on with this theme.
I like it - thanks!
muito bom... obrigado Portugal..
never learned the specifics of hops, but i always read the info, and considering i dont remember seeing any of these, they must not be too popular here either. my least favorite hop though, are beers made exclusively/mostly with cryo-hops. it's like whisky that has been chill-filtered, removing flavor from the finish... just make a better recipe if they dont like how it tastes ending too bitter haha
My worst hop pick: Northern Brewer. I felt like washing my tongue after drinking the beer I made with it. But as you mentioned, I think Summit is a very decent bittering hop.
Vinnie describes Pliny having a little union , Garlic in small amounts and that’s one of my favorite beers . WEST COAST MAN !!!
Summit's onion/garlic flavor is one of my least favorites as well. To the point that I will completely avoid beers if they have it listed as a hop they use. There was a period a couple of years ago where I seemed to find hazy after hazy that had summit. Interestingly, that sparked my romance anew with West Coast IPAs.
A video about underrated/underappreciated hops would fit nicely between the favorite and least favorite. (The Chinook in Sap so so good)
So these would make an awesome garlic pickle lager 😂
Never liked sabro. Little surprised about sorachi ace.. ive made some good beers with it. Love the content as always
thanks!
I get the same with Sorachi Ace. Pickles no. There is a local bar here that serves a frosty mug of Stag with a pickle in it NO!
I brewed just once with Sorachi Ace (a pale ale) and i thought it was my fault or a bad batch of Sorachi. Never tried again.
Sitting here feeling cool and alternative. Sorachi ace is my favourite hop - it's strangeness is the key to its deliciousness. Each to thier own. It's the Tom Waits of hops.
You guys can keep your "tasty", non-weird popular hops.
i was into your thoughts until the Tom Waits reference 🫣
Remember when Brooklyn did that Sorachi Ace single hop saison?
Sorachi Ace has always been the one I don't like. I remember doing a vertical of the mikkeller single hop beers like 10 years ago and that was the main one I didn't like.
Well done! I too expanded my vocab on this one ... "alliaceous" 😂
I hate onion character in beer so much
I was caught off guard by Sorachi Ace on the list! One of my favorite beers to make a blonde ale that is a 50/50 blend of Cascade and Sorachi Ace. Really brings out the lemon character.
As for my least hops - Palisade, Belma and El Dorado. Just never got what I was looking for out of them.
I like el dorado a bunch. a very finicky hop but I can pull straight tropical fruit out of it.
El dorado is one of my favorites. It’s my cheater hop. No matter what I do with it, it turns out great.
I kinda like OG in some NEIPA.. It’s a nice change up but I can see how it would clash with your house yeast expression. Might kinda work the Ferns 🤔. I’ve found it to be enjoyable in the Substance, which they say happens to include Apollo, and Fiddlehead IPA. Although, Fiddlehead seemed to have lost that quality and was more of a fruit bomb when I had it recently, which was a little disappointing. A few popular IPAs are made with Falconers Flight, which I don’t remember you guys ever mentioning. Often hazy beers with Motueka, especially from Tree House, end up being pretty overripe. I’m also sensitive to a chalky quality in Strata.
Morning Nate. Nice Peacharine Hoodie.🙂. I have not had good luck with Nelson Sauvin.
Try it in a very dry Saison, works very well there!
Funny Sorachi Ace is one of my favorite hop variations
Wow, before starting the video I mentally picked my 3. You had the same picks 🎉
🙌🏻
A few years back when everybody was losing their mind over Citra, I thought great, let’s give it a go. Brewed an all-citra PA, and jt was just flat out cat pee. I’ve enjoyed some lovely beers where Citra was a small part of the hop combo, but on its own I just can’t do it.
Give me all your cat pee
Not a fan of Taiheke, which is NZ Cascade. For me, it tastes soapy. Others don't get this flavour from it, but I do. But US Cascade is fine, big fan of that.
Super interesting- love nz cascade, never any soap
@@treehousebrewco yeah, I don't know why I do.. but urgh. Guess it is a bit like the coriander thing
I love Brooklyn’s Sorachi Ace beer.
I understand the assessment of these three hops. Definitely not my favorites. For me, Nelson and Sabro can take a hike. I don't particularly have a third least favorite that i can think of right now.
Magnify makes an amazing ipa with Apollo hop oil called Peak Oil 9%
Sorachi ace tastes like soy sauce and dill for me. But really found it interesting in a DNEIPA I had the other day.
I think galaxy is one of the most unreliable hops. Sometimes you get juicy peach, sometimes you get bitter peanut skins.
Went through Dubai airport today and there was a treehouse juice shop.
but we're the tree house juice shop!
@treehousebrewco I know I took a photo of it but can't put it on here it's actually Treehouse juicery.
What's your email ill send you it or wattsapp?
Japanese lager with sarachi was good .
Sabro and Talus are my choices. I mostly get “earthy” qualities aka dirt! Or “woody” too. The third hop which has varying results for me is…this is going to p*ss some folks off…citra. Sometimes I get such a strong “cat pee” aroma in beers that I’ve bought and it throws off the whole experience. But I’ve also had some heavy citra beers that have been fruity and nice. But I’d rather it be used as a complimentary hop with higher quantities of others in the recipe.
No Idaho 7 on the list?! ;)
Stone hop revolver herkules a German hop varietal that smelled like fish or Limburger (sp) cheese, one of absolute worst or top five that even Treehouse could not blend
I agree.
The one I can never get past is Enigma. It has that gym sock feel and don't know I've found an enjoyable representation yet. Vic secret's woodiness is hit or miss and that soapy coconut of Sabro was one of my biggest write offs until the 'Snow' family of beers! You guys dialed that one in better than anyone else.
Aleatious?! To sum up this video, I think we can expect a "Summit Julius" in 2024, right? "We taste: Notes of garlic and onion, bursting with a bright tropical aroma and a melange of citrus." 😂
Really enjoy hbc 1019. Really cant get through a beer with sabro.
My least liked hop by a large margin is Pride Of Ringwood. It has been for many decades the go to hop for Australian macro lager and I can't stand it. It tastes of Iron.
Enigma, Falconers Flight and Zamba
Count me in.
I know it's just personal, but any coconut-like hop (Sabro, Cashmere) absolutely make me not try a beer.
Vic Secret is the GOAT
Good choices. I would add sabro, talus, hbc472 or any neomexicanus variety. Just awful tasting hops, akin to the aroma of moldy orange peels
I made two beers with Lotus and I didn't really like it
I’ve never had tree house beer, but it seems they don’t do the dank IPAs and find the hops offensive.
Tree House is kinda the originator of straight juice IPAs
I think mosaic and strata are undrinkable lol. of course 2 of the most popular hops in the world
Sabro I do not like , if I were to use again it would be at a low dose , very low .
I agree with sorachi ace. Such a difficult hop to use right and it always turns out dill to me
Sorachi ACE is great in a saison
thank you!!
I have had an Ace Saison, and it was just too much.
I think adding too many similar flavors can overwhelm the pallet. You wouldn't make a chocolate cake with chocolate frosting, a chocolate glaze, and serve it with chocolate ice cream.
Sorachi Ace is definitely the worst. I knew the last one was it without a doubt lol
I've gotten nice coconut on sorachi ace czech beers, and citrus with apollo. Ironically the trillium cans I brought there were extreme garlic bombs.
you can definitely maybe pull citrus from Apollo but OG always with it.
This will be controversial.... But now I would love to see Treehouse make a beer w their least fav hops
i thought about it for sure
It would certainly be fun to try! Well, if it ever came to Ga!! 😁@@treehousebrewco
Sarachi in a Japanese rice lager mmmmm!!!
LOL 0:20
So much disappointment.
🥹
Idaho 7 has never clicked with me.
wow! love me some Idaho 7
Sabro sucks too
I am probably the minority. Onion and garlic can be pretty great aromas when done right in an IPA
Sabro by a mile. Absolutely terrible. People describe it as coconut but its straight pickles.
I've had good luck with sabro in modest doses
Yeah I hate Apollo.
Was almost certain one would be sabro because, well…it’s sabro
It’s used in their winter seasonal IPA. Fair to assume they don’t hate it.
What is the hop that smells like cat piss?
Simcoe can to some people, but not to me
Sorachi Ace is the absolute worst.
There's an Australian hop called Victoria Secret and....I swear it makes beer taste like the worst, burnt plastic phenolic disaster. I just don't get why it exists
I guess if you're brewing a steak and kidney pie, all would be fine in the world
I personally really dislike el dorado. It has a particular flavour that I'm not fond of
I've had good luck with it!