Y’know what I am actually learning something really important from all of this: a lot of history has likely been very skewed and distorted just because of drama between historians like this
Nothing new, If their is one thing I 100% agree with LP on, It is the fact that you need to be able to know people, cause history is ultimately written by people, and people can be biased as hell a lot of time
i honestly believe that all human history is a bunch of lies in a bunch of books and internet forums, you can't trust anybody and that's the main reason why we are still at war over dumb things.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726As you can see with the current Ruso-Ukrainian war. Each side has biases. Some more extreme i would say on the Ukr side. Then magnified by western ability to push it out to masses since they own all forms of main stream media.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726nah he's an idiot.... A russian engineer a German engineer an American engineer are all engineers at the end of the day... Most of the Russian guys were blasting their ex bosses all the projects they ruined and most of them are a bunch of complaints.... It takes a real manipulative piece of garbage to confuse engineering reports with psyops... Any person with common sense should be able to understand this. Soviet engineers didn't get paid well enough to lie about anything in the 80s 90s or early 2000s
I've heard a joke like that: An american spy was a soviet spy's friend and both meet each other in a bar despite their differences. One day, they had a conversation that lead them to talk about propaganda. The american spy said: - Seriously, I really love your soviet propaganda. Not gonna lie, but you know how to reach the masses. So, the soviet spy replied: - True, our propaganda bureau only allow the best to work there. BTW, I also love your american propaganda. When the american spy heared that, he stood up and, with anger, shout out: - Nonsense! We don't have propaganda!
Well said. We’re still told that our enemies are Russia and China and that their populations are brainwashed and propagandized. Maybe there’s some truth to that, but I live in the US and I’m more concerned about what our government and media push out to our people on a daily basis. It’s scary how many people don’t even question it.
Funny how red is slowly starting to lose temper thru the video, but he manages to calm down every time even tho its clear how frustrated he is by lazers language
Lazer claims that the M1 engine doesn't consume more fuel when we literally have a US made document of different engines consumption when mounted onto M1.
And everyone who worked with the M1 will tell you that it consumes loads of fuel. If the guy knew anything about how engines work we wouldnt be having this convo...
@@niksonrex88 he historian and he might be good at making research for history specific topics, but he's not a tank nerd and it shows when he says some things for his head and gets it wrong as with Honeywell turbine. Making a video about T-14 when he can't access non English sources is laughable.
@@simon2493 What makes you think he is a historian? He is a NAFO ukro bot. Their whole premise is to paint Russia black any way that they can. And that is exactly what he has been doing.
But lazer is right, what you're talking about here is the early stages of the abrams turbine engine and everyone knew that from the start so they had plans for the later installment of an auxiliary power unit (APU), same shit with the noise, the tanks was louder indeed but not by much, and this changed aswell over time. The problem is the crews stuck with the joke and people still think it consumes loads of fuel. That engine can take several types of fuel without much trouble and is very reliable, also in terms of hp output its much better (I'm not american nor an americaboo, its just that lazer is right)
According to lazerpig's logic all piston engines are just a modification of the Ford Model T engine. Oh, and the turbine engine of the Abrams is basically the same as the jet engine of the Me 262.
Why wasn’t time trying to understand what someone else is saying when you can just make something up and claim it’s what they think. Don’t worry you look really smart right now
No no... The Abrams turbine is nothing more than a Hydroelectric turbine, but is using hot air from combustion, instead of water. 😏 _-LazerPig logic, probably... I dunno._
Because russian and soviet sources are biased, making their vehicles seem better than they actually are. Now, keep in mind NATO/Western sources aren't very trustworthy at times, but they damn sure can be credible and truthful to an extent.
That's not what he said. He said he believed that RedEffect wasn't objective enough with Soviet sources but was highly critical of Western ones. Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, _fanciful_ at times when compared to Western ones. Partly due to a general lack of transparency and a culture which, depending on who was in charge, may have penalised negative reporting. And it should come as a surprise to no one that publicly available modern Russian sources are highly dubious. Nobody's perfect, RE is generally reliable, and you should always do your own research and come to your own conclusions if you really want to know "the truth". LazerPig and RedEffect present themselves as educators, and they are in a way, but really they're essayists giving their personal, (mostly) fact-based opinions on things.
@@shaddaboop7998 >Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, fanciful at times when compared to Western ones Citation needed. There is no reason to assume that a Soviet source would be more or less biased than a Western one. The bias is just directed differently.
Well That did end with a Surprisingly good Ending . Red did admit he missed some good points about Arjun and Alpha did admit that He shouldn't have bantered with Red about this back and forth but just discussed it peacefully . Not Glad they privatised their videos tho.
Do we need to mention that Lazerpig even went under Chieftain’s channel to rant about how Chieftain shouldn’t critique him and should stay out of it? Of course Lazerpig deleted his comment after getting the pin of shame and heavily ratioed.
Hes very condescending and rude. Most of his titles and cover art is clickbait and he is more bias than factual. I found his response video to be more evident that he had his ego hurt than it was a factual counter. Being a brit ive met many like him, hes just a salty guy who is sarcastic and condescending and ive never liked his videos due to the childish manner they are presented in.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726lira is obviously wrong to everyone, Red is not, because he isn't obviously wrong, as he's sometimes wrong every now and again like everyone. It's harder to defend against someone whose not always wrong, and lazer got flustered. Very flustered apparently.
One of the major rules of debating is that you attack the arguments of the opposition, not the people presenting them. RedEffect displayed emotional control and maturity by only focusing on the facts and not letting those words cloud his judgement.
Usually people talk in the same room or web room to hold a conversation. This is one pathetic person's attempt to discredit someone he personally does not like and his homies. A group of critics I wouldn't entrust with a box of wet matches.
@@RomanianReaverAll the same for someone who doesn't like being called a Russian propagandist there sure all alot of people who use Russian propaganda commenting on and defending redeffect on his channel, And as far as I know red didn't ask them to anymore then Lp did, so fans I guess, though really why are so many people who talk about russian propaganda so attracted to his channel to comment and defend him if he's not a russian propagandist, birds of a feather tend to flock together and all that. By the way I wear glasses, you in my opinion might want to see an optometrist, I am not a group but a single person sir. Oh look who else is back Soviet. I thought when you made that "português?" comment you had learned not to hold an unhealthy grudge, I see not.
He did provide the sources, but intentionally didn't reveal where to get those sources, so that people are forced to go trough the same suffering as he did.
Anyone who's watched both videos can tell that you haven't watched Lazer Pig's videos at all. This is as stupid as saying: you can tell RedEffect is very smart because he talks with a funny accent.
It’s one thing to point out someone’s potential bias. But when LazerPig keeps saying you’re “parroting propaganda” it seems like he’s just trying to discredit you, or trying to poison the well, so to speak. Also, anyone who has followed RedEffect knows that the accusation that he’s trying to clout farm LazerPig to gain subs is crazy. After reading LazerPig’s posts and watching his response, it seems to me that he’s just butthurt that he got called out on his BS. He took it VERY personally!
LazerPig sounds like some of those pedophiles like Jimmy Saville, strong caracter, provokative, doesnt allow a minimal questioning of his own actions... wouldnt surprise me, he calles himself a Pig after all
This is so true, in the first 5 mins he’s discredited RedEffect about a thousand times after saying “no beef” and shit and it’s so clear he’s just salty and butt hurt
Red Effect has been the only channel I can watch where I know and feel that I am not being lied to intentionally. The critiques on Western and Eastern tanks are equal, and the fact that both Western and Eastern supporters hate you, that says a lot about your content for being centered.
True, reminds me of the people/channels who criticised russian autoloader designs yet also conceded that it's the future for all tanks but needs it's issues ironed out. They then had russian lovers hate them, and had western lovers say "abrams doesnt have one and its better so yeah, go d*e". Low and behold, the US military accepts autoloaders will likely be incorporated into future designs while russia is still refining theirs to this day.
@@tristanstebbens1358 It's interesting that they think tank blowing up is something unique to Russian tanks??? Like do they think Leopard turrets don't fly when all the ammo inside cooks???
Before the conflict, nobody even bother if you post some russian thing with russian documentation/source. The sheer amount of anti russia is scary right now
Well, your comparison pretty much supports lazerpigs argument completely. Both are a collection of fantasy's describing something that never existed as described in the sources...
@@rkadi6540 i wonder where all that anti russia is comming from. It is not like something happened recently that showed the true mindset and values of russia.. Right?
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 yeah but just because they are the quote "bad guys" in this war doesnt mean their equipment is all of a sudden all shit and made out of cardboard etc etc
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 "true mindset and values of Russia"- how exactly Russian actions in Ukraine differ from NATO actions in Syria for example? Both sides decided to help rebels and destroy shite local government. Do you think American sources also shouldn't be used ?
@@belliduradespicio8009 Better that than being dying poverty ridden dying shi_thole like Russia. Russians love doing sudoku so much they have 7th highest rates of it :)
@@arandomt-9056That’s highly unproductive in a space like Tank Enthusiasm where we kinda just want the facts, and maybe throw in the politics when contextual. But don’t lie pointlessly. That ruins this space. Ppl don’t gain a hobby to be around drama queens. Men ruin everything with DRAMA Lazer pig is one. It’s funny how he claims he’s been attacked, and his fans being mocked. When I was one of the FIRST to correct him, and his fans called me all kinds of things (Tankie, N4zi, evil, Russian propagandist, etc I can’t say all them). Everything but a CHILD OF GAWD 😂! So to play victim when this is the drama he, and his fans sewed up needlessly is crazy. Not to mention painting Red as pro Russian propaganda seems like he’s just saying so based on his accent. Because as a pro ukraine, and anti-child r8p guy I can say this channel hasn’t been kind/biased towards the Russians hence why I’m here. The issue for them is that red hasn’t been spreading propaganda about the Ukrainians either. So if you don’t play ball you’re public enemy number 1.
LazerPig, instead of admitting he is wrong, goes around saying that people correcting him must be some Russian bots. I hate men like this, no responsibility and all he needed to do is to just simply say that, he was wrong or point us to the sources he was using.
but he did admit he can be wrong. His entire attitude is one where he knows he can be proven wrong. However quoting Literal forum posts as sources isn't proper proof. Especially when those forum posts are about NATO engines and made by Russians. This entire drama is stupid, neither are wrong.
yea the Ukrainians got the most basic versions of the C2 just like how DPR get shitty T55s. Your point? Ruskies love jumping on shit before anything is actually confirmed haha.
I had a look at his channel and he seems like the typical extremely biased NATO worshiping military enthusiast. Probably frequents the subreddit Non-Credible Defense. His video on the F35 is pure trash and could be considered propaganda.
YES, granted, some videos need more sauces then others, like the whole Abrams video not really needing that many by the fact of how stupid the people involved in It were, but when you make a response to someone you should point out where you get your information
@@Blakey-mw2sb and that remains my biggest problem. He talks on and on about other people not providing sources but then refuses to provide them himself. He talks all the time about verifying information but won't do the basic level of academic housekeeping and list the sources he used to reach his conclusion.
Lazerpig's video was essentially a manchild's rant, it's surprising that RedEffect even bothered to make a rebuttal considering how logically flawed LP's video was. The amount of cherrypicking LP did was astounding.
you have to take into account that plenty of LP's fans seem to be even more logically flawed and tend to believe everything he says, either because they're children or just that braindead
westoids: "Its bad to rely on Soviet sources" also westoids: releases yet another "why this murican thing is the best in the world" that relies on murican self proclaimed facts LP is a classic teenager stuck in adults body who uses tribalism and hating on the other tribe as a way to compensate for the lack of achievements in real life
LazerPig is ideologically driven, you can see it plainly. That is my biggest issue with him, he reacts almost emotionally about the whole thing. RedEffect did a great job dismantling his arguments, with no undercutting or clouded claims. Good job.
The way he automatically accuses all of his critics of "doing it just for internet clout" is also obvious projection. He's probably thinking that if that's why he does it himself, everyone else must be doing it for the same reason. RedEffect's video is nothing but respectful and honest, but LP is like "you're being disingenuous" for the simple reason that he himself is that.
Right?! Usually those vid tittles are for for vids where there's a simply disagreement, where as in this case LP's vid is littered with lies and inaccuracies that are easily disproven by anyone who actually does the research. If i had made a response to LP, (based partly on the fact he's such an arrogantly ignorant no-it-all who i can't stand to listen to, but also cuz it's the truth), would be far more viscous than what Arc or Red did: somethin like, "Lazerpig is a lazy and biased hack!"
My sole critique of your channel has always been how short your videos are, therefore I love the length of this video. LazerPig is a self-righteous drama queen so I’m sorry that you had to take your time to respond to him.
I mean you could kinda just immediately tell from the way LazerPig talks in his videos. Always with a very clear proactive emotional investment over something he has relatively little knowledge about, likely never will for another decade, and also for no reason. Like sure, lambast the product for its potential flaws, but the majority of his videos are just poor emotional jokes at russia rather than actual facts. (That and he openly discredits information based on the fact it has any sort of association to russian sources which isn't how you should approach such a topic)
@@tristanstebbens1358 Sadly, many popular history and equipment review channels come at a topic with a clear emotional/factional bias. It is why we should value channels like RE all the more.
One of my friends believes stuff I call him out for, believing the wrong thing doesn't make me dislike them. He can belise red is cool, and think red is falling for propaganda
I can take a Chevy 350 engine and modify it to make 550hp. But it's still called a 350. Why? Because the heads and block, modified or not, are the same.
I am a layman when it comes to tanks . I took a lot of what lazerpig said especially about the engines on face value . Thanks a lot for providing context .
I wonder for whom LP''s videos are? For some odd reason these people are winning a war with useless material, I wonder how that's supposed to happen then. Seriously, he isn't doing anyone any favors by talking these vehicles down, it's not as if they broke down in the real world, just because he says they would in his videos.
@@hansgulayev7320 Well, his videos are way better edited and have much more personality then Reds, like, you can her It in their voices as well, one being extremely flat and the other constantly changing and outgoing
@@pakkazull8370 Depends on how much bullshiting is going on, the only video where LP does a lot of that were the once related to the T-14, the rest are fine from what I looked up in their sources
LazerPig sounds like a child whose favorite superhero was insulted here. His arguments are so emotional, and his facts are shallow at best, rooted in seemingly nothing in terms of actual data. I think if he goes on from this response, the best course of action will be to just let him be angry by himself, as this dispute is clearly going nowhere.
It seems your favourite superhero the T-14 and Red Effect got insulted - look at all the personal attacks against LP and pure copium. That’s all the evidence you need. Meanwhile I’m sure LP is laughing at all the _triggered vatniks_ 😂
I'm a former NATO tanker, and as such I don't really watch many tank videos on here as it usually comes down to tank nerds talking endlessly about things that make little to no difference in practice. However, I've been watching your channel recently as I love the passion and detailed research that you obviously do when it comes to Russian and Soviet hardware, which I was always curious about. I find your concise details and professional attitude refreshing, along with the fact that you actually talk to real tankers. LazerPig, on the other hand, is like the tank nerd community's embodiment of the typical Redditor who has never done an actual day's worth of hard work, let alone actually used any of the equipment that he talks about. Keep doing what you're doing and don't let yourself get sucked into a pointless debate with him, you're easily a step above most other tank nerds and have nothing to prove, which is evident in your professional attitude. When one side is automatically parroting the claim of "Russian propaganda", that's a surefire sign that they've lost the factual argument and have to go to the emotional response.
LazerPig thinks it is wrong to use Russian sources when people talk about Russian tanks. Furthermore, LazerPig thinks using Russian sources = pro Russian propaganda. I don't think there can be any meaningful conversation with LazerPig on the subject of T-14 Armata.
Well, most of what russians release seems to be mostly fantasy or at least extremely cherry picked. Using that as a single source should be questionable at the very least.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716"Most of Russians release" lol, isnt due to the deception of Western manufacturers of air defense systems, some countries began to purchase Russian missiles, rheinmetall blatantly lies about the armor penetration of their new shells, showing the maximum possible numbers in ideal conditions without showing statistically average results (as well as bullshit about shells that do not explode dynamic protection) All arms manufacturers lie one way or another, clowns who claim that only one side is lying completely ignore the problems of the other side.
It's funny how much conflict has been generated over a tank model with only ~10 in existence and not used in war despite its producer being involved in one where thousand of tanks are used
@@u2beuser714 Listen, all I'm saying is that if any tank was turned into a women, they would be incredibly hot. But the Bob Semple would be the hottest, no contest.
I think I lost a good bit of respect for Lazer after he refused to cite sources for his claims in his response video. I then lost the rest after I saw him going after the chieftain after he mildly critiqued lazer for being unprofessional. He has a very fragile ego and can't stand up to any professional critique even if it's from a peer he admires. Sorry he dragged you through the mud Red, but you've gained a new subscriber throughout all this.
I know it sounds weird but this video is kind of wholesome. Not escalating something, talking calm and with reason and not shouting out insults... if we could all just take a step sometimes and acknowledge facts and reason, we would have a much greater time.
Tbh, Lazerpig just sounds like someone who wants to be right, and not someone trying to find the truth. And the truth doesn't care what you support or your ideologies. He sounds like he just want to be right against Cone and Redeffect (which I have no idea why if you're simply trying to be an informative guy). I feel like this is more of an ego thing and unwilling to be wrong (which is very childish and immature). I'd understand if he's like 14 years old, but a grown ass adult?
@@etzwei7994 I see it the same, Lazerpig doesn't try to find the truth. He won't admit mistakes and instead just wants to get validation from his community.
@@artnull13 Russian blogs are markedly more accurate than Raytheon sales pitches or whatever nonsense they're cooking up over at the Institute for the Study of Cope lol 😄
Why was Lazerpig so disrespectful the entire time, like genuinely making insulting noises and taking no responsibility for his actual mistakes, purposefully being manipulative to paint himself better, it's the kind of argument tactic children use. Ignore what he can't defend like it isn't there, hyperfocus on points he can defend but still be manipulative with them and making fun of the response by making noises and lying 😭 (Please stop arguing in the replies, you can't defend Lazerpig being mean and gaslighting while red was only nice)
19:40 it’s funny how lazerpig talked about he power to weight ratio of the tanks but completely ignored the power to weight ratio of the engines themselves.
Once in the tank that really no longer matters though. Once mounted to the tank the mass of the tank and engine becomes one. A lighter engine at that point only enables more other stuff to be mounted to the tank for the same total weight. Which is obviously an advantage, but the power to weight ratio of the engine itself no longer matters.
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa sure, but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank. A tank is designed towards a certain weight. 50 tonnes for example. If the engine weighs 5 tonnes the rest of the tank can weigh 45 tonnes. But if the engine weighs 1 tonne, designers simply can put on 4 additional tonnes of armor or other equipment to the tank, bringing it to the same 50 tonnes and thus the same power to weight ratio..
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 "but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank." Bad choice of words here for one simple reason: The heavier and poorer the power to weight ratio the more armor/defensive measures are sacrificed to fit the engine in. Conversely if the engine is very powerful for its tonnage range you can get away with more protection, protection measures and offensive systems. It's why the bradley's a bit arse in the offensive area while not being more durable than a BMP-3 or BMD-4 while those can mount equivalent weapons and slap a 100 mm on top.
@@tiagomonteiro130Given how he behaves, I’d straight up accuse him of Stolen Valor. I know a few vets, all of American, but none of them would ever act like him.
@@tiagomonteiro130 I'm pretty sure it has been demonstrated he isn't and was never in any military, but did hold a desk job for a military contractor as a junior analyst. The thread with proof is euther deleted or privated sadly.
I think a tank engine history video would be really interesting to see, its certainly not something that is covered very often that's for sure. How long such a video would be with all of the variants/upgrades is something else. I would be intrigued to know what the difference is between a super charger and a turbo charger on a tank engine? In simplistic terms at least, since I am certainly no engineer by any regards. Keep up your great work on your videos as I really appreciate them and the effort that you put into them as well.
Turbo charger works with air that comes from moving (its round with a fan in the middle that spins from the air and creates power). A super charger takes power from the engine not the air. I think thats the difference ( its the same.about cars). If you want more information i suggest you wacht a video😅
Yes it would be a long video, and kind of boring. But I have gathered a lot of information about them while doing research for this video that I can make such video, if enough people request it. Turbocharger uses the energy from the exhaust to power itself, while supercharger uses mechanical parts of the engine (like spinning of the crankshaft). That is why V-92S2F (turbocharged) has two large pipes on each side of the engine.
@@RedEffectChannelI'd love to see a video on the V2's history. As well as other tank engines. Engines are often overlooked in tanks and unrightfully so.
German here. I always enjoy your content to get a clear picture. As far as I can tell, I don't watch your videos for political stuff. I'm here because you analyze things with data. Thumbs up for the quality of your content. You are actually the only one I subscribed to the notifications.
I enjoy the fact that Red Effect, contrary to Lazerpig remains neutral and professional despite the politics. Lazerpig simply bashes the T14 because it is Russian. Even the Nazis in WW2 were more serious and took their enemy seriously instead of bashing their technology and tactics.
@@SangiinKherem i think its to do with the disconnect that the internet has with everyone. its easy to bash all russian tanks when youre not on the receiving end of a 125mm.
I like the way red effect manages the situation. He is respectful towards laser pig and addresses the remarks given to him in a detailed manner without unnecessary sarcasm.
Laser Pig was a good channel for me until his recent few vids, his T-34/Tiger vids were excellent, but now he seems to worry more about clout and views by doing totally unnecessary hot takes and being overly aggressive. His new vids like the T14 and Michael Wittmann vid are total garbage in comparison to his old stuff.
@Mister-Minghis original Moskva video had him taking a moment to remind that real people went down with the ship, people who might've not had a choice. It was a good touch
The most frustrating part of this whole situation is the fact that even in Laser pigs second response he is still talking down to Red like he is a pro Russian propagandist who is trying to cover up all the flaws with Russian equipment and claim they are the best. Anyone who watches any of red's videos about modern Russian tanks will know that every single one has a pathetically slow reverse speed compared to almost all western tanks, and that this is a major weakness because the tank has to turn around when fleeing artillery or other danger and expose the weakest point of its armor EVERY TIME. He even showed a video of a t90 m trying to reverse to escape an artillery barrage, go about walking speed, then give up and turn around to flee. He's also showed some of the first footage of the interior of a new production t90 m that confirmed that even the most capable tank they field has one reverse gear, meaning Russia has no tank models in service right now that don't have that weakness. I didn't know any of that, but i got 100% of that information FROM REDEFFECT. If he's a propagandist then he's absolutely terrible because he put out the most easy to understand information proving that a tank has a massive weakness, how severe that weakness is, and even showed footage of that weakness in action. HOW IS IT PROPAGANDA IF YOU'RE POINTING OUT DANGEROUSLY SIMPLE FLAWS TO EXPLOIT ABOUT YOUR OWN TANKS??? Lazeroig is acting like Red is defending the honor of the T14 and all Russian tanks with bad information and faulty Logic, but it was bad information and faulty logic that got Red to make the response video in the first place. Red didn't respond to the T14 video because he has a vested interest in how the tank is viewed by the public, he did the response video because the information and logic Lazerpig used was mostly pretty flawed. There are enough problems to laugh at the T14 for already. I've watched both channels for years, but Lazerpig is completely out of line here. He's fallen back on belittling red's intellectual integrity and created a strawman of red being a blindly pro Russia shill because he doesn't know how to take the loss and admit some parts were a mistake. He constantly claimed red overlooked or didn't understand things that, if he actually watched his other videos, you would know that he absolutely did understand. It's extremely disappointing to find out this this is how Lazerpig handles mistakes, he takes the massive influence of his pro Ukrainian audience and tries to sic it on someone by accusing him of being a propagandist. Fortunately red and Lazerpig should have considerable audience overlay (both being largely military vehicle channels) and anyone who watches both will immediately see that Lazerpig is out of his depth here and know that red is critical of any tank he finds issues with, so not blindly pro anything. I don't get the feeling that much of Lazerpigs audience is going to keep backing him on this, and with 2 response videos on either side I feel like a lot of people will be curious enough to see what red is about too, so maybe the silver lining in all this is Red getting a bunch of tank enthusiasts coming to his channel, sort of a consolation prize he gets even if Lazerpig refuses to leave it be. Hopefully this can be the end because at this point Lazerpig is just trying to save face and he's starting to go from being a Pig 🐖 to just looking like an Ass🫏
In retrospect it should have been kinda telling that LP and the other TH-camrs he hangs out with like Animarchy only really seemed to engage with low hanging fruit like Gonzalo Lira - that whole debate really exaggerated his image by conveniently having the pig laugh at a failed sex tourist on stream. But seeing him attack people and calling them propagandists even though they're only trying to correct his mistakes - especially because they do have an effect on his audience - is really fucking concerning. It's a shame he's becoming the arrogant, toxic e-celeb of the military enthusiast community because he definitely had a lot going for him - especially with being a somewhat liberal guy that was absolutely willing to talk shit about the Soviets instead of blindly praising them or downplaying their mistakes by pointing out American mistakes.
@@robcanisto8635 As if parameters given by western weapon manufacturers (they make money by selling as much weapons as possible) were more trustworthy and not over exaggerate.
@@dawedws well yes actually, there is this thing called a law suit. Theres this thing called fraud. The soviets, as we know, would constaly fake things like this; ever heard of Chernobyl?
The fact that LazerPig doesn't list his sources because a viewer wouldn't "go through the same trouble and work" is just laughable. What kind of argument is that? I wrote a very extensive comment on his A-10 videos because they either don't list sources, are blatantly wrong or completly misinterpret and/or misrepresent facts from these sources. The fact anyone takes that guy seriously is just absurd and everytime he makes a video he empowers the worst kind of people to parrot his comments on every decent discussion.
@@MrhungernIt is definitely hated by the airforce. They would call it a dirty stain. However it seems to be loved by ground forces. You know the ones that its actually supposed to support as a CAS platform. Maybe ground forces don't matter to people who fly. For example it did roughly 30% of all the sorties during Iraq. Source: Magunson Stew, "Fight to Keep A-10 Warthog in Air Force Inventory Reaches End Game " National Defense, Vol. 98, No. 718 (Sept. 2013), pp. 41-43
I fucking love Red Effect, the fact that he owns tank manuals says a lot on his reliability. The fact that Lazerpig thinks that all soviet sources are unreliable just shows how biased he is.
Typical Indoctrinated and Capitalist Idealogical Response of Lazerpig when you ask me. Even saying one think like " Peace and than preaping for war in the back like USA whit China right now" You can not trust the West and for that all people in it becouse they are Investet in it.
@@CorruptedSpiderkinda is since he’s revealed him self as a bit of a shit bloke that looks down on anyone with opposing views then plays the victim when he’s wrong
@@CorruptedSpiderlazer pig will kill his own career by being lazer pig. He’s the worst historical/military channel on TH-cam, worst researched, worst quality of content, most biased.
@@Bleh426 Yeah idiotic, actually cloutchase-driven mindset right there, LP fanboys are fools that cloak themselves in smug superiority just because they don't come from Russia.
As I keep saying he is an entertainer, just from the style of presentation alone should make this evident, but apparently he and his friends don't think such
Lazerpig isn't someone to be taken seriously. He is so deep into his own sides propaganda that he freaks out when anyone with a non-Western accent dares speak.
@@maxfaberg128this kind of racism is really quite strange isn’t it. I find that kind as well as the really rather creepy “I love my people we are the best my race must be increased in number so have lots of (x) children” rather distasteful. I don’t have any problems with the other kind the “ I just really hate black people just can’t stand them” or the “I think we need to genocide the people of Scandinavia” or the “people not of the primary demographic of this contrary should not be allowed to move here as they are usually not compatible” that latter sort of racism is find in my opinion.
That's a reach and disengenous. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and the Russian government being what it is, it's very reasonable to discount some Russian sources.
I don't think he accused him of making propaganda. He accused him of taking Russian propaganda at face value and using that to evaluate equipment. Which is what a lot of this comments section does when they coom over Russian tanks. (Someone literally cited Russian milbloggers in one of the top comments of a previous video)
@@definitelyfrank9341 I watched the video. But clearly you didn't watch LPs video to know how he implemented those sources. Using Russian sources as a baseline isn't the issue, it's taking them at face value. LP used it as a way to bash the INTENDED design of the tank, and he used the sources like video (seeing the inside of the tank and how the touchscreens didn't work for example) and writings that propagate the intended quality of the tank and demonstrating how even those are outdated by western standards. Unless you want to tell me that the T14 is better than the Russian sources claim? Using Russian sources isn't the issue, it's how you use them. Saying LP and Reds use of them are equal isn't an accurate assessment.
@@Scyborg832The origin of the myth that T-14 uses a 'Russian copy of the Sla 16' for an engine came from Russian bloggers. He takes this at face value, and only because it can serve as more anti-Russian ammunition. The propaganda campaign created by NAFO bots. He also cites a Russian source bringing up problems problems with T-14's engine. He takes everything from there at face value. What happened to the "You're a stupid Russian propaganda-bot if you take anything said by the Russians at face value! 🤬😡😡" standard set by LP in his response video? Or does that only come into play when it isn't affirming the beliefs of a NAFO-bot?
The fact that you remained calm and composed throughout speaks to your professionalism, after what seems to amount to outright slander against there’s no way I wouldn’t retaliate.
It wasn't slander, he said that RE had a very confusing video that was worded in such a way, that it was like RE was trying to confuse people. The comments under LP's videos involved people who saw the video and they said that it felt like corporate speak or was deliberately as boring as possible, so that we wouldn't be able to concentrate or understand what was being said. The fact this second video is like 4 times clearer than the last one, proves that RE was definitely unclear and confusing in this first video.
@@Seth9809 lp is twisting the truth pretty hard, and hes clueless about engineering. ...this isnt maxmuds-level of discussion here my friend. this is about the real world.
@@Seth9809how tf were you confuzed about RE's original video i think it wad pretty straight forward and simple to follow. Its not his fault some people have limited atention spans.
@@Seth9809 How can you honestly say that you can't concentrate on a professionally made video on a technical topic and still expect anyone to take yourself seriously? Your argument is literally "I am too stupid to understand what's being said".
11:58 that’s really a moot point because most engines nowadays can literally trace their lineages directly to late 20th century designs. That’s literally how engine designs work. It’s always been easier to build off of an existing design than a complete redesign every time you’re releasing a new engine. There’s so much differences between the V2 engine on the T34 and the T14 that saying they’re the same is just like saying the MTU engine on a leopard is just a diesel version of the Maybach v12 on a tiger.
This is definitely a good response, I am delighted to see it. Lazerpig has been dragging you through the mud for pointing out his mistakes; he really didn't deserve to be left alone after his last video.
Lazer's smugness makes his videos unwatchable. Making a mistake is fine, but he cannot seem to just accept his mistake and move on without trying to drag Red under the bus with him, or misrepresent Red's correction all together.
You can go to his debate with Gonzalo, and enjoy the part where he completely fails to understand the difference between production capacity, and held reserves. You can also witness his absolute dismissiveness of anything Russian. The only good part of the tank is the engine which was the one from the German Russian ammunition is outdated Russha Armor is terrible Russian current comp talking competition Russian sources can’t be trusted and so on.
@mystictomato9466 I can recall it so well, I went through the entire video again to confirm it and I can confidently say there is no slander against Red Effect in his entire video. Try again
@@absolutelyscrumptious7552 How about you try again with your rewatch of his video? He called Red Effect a Russian propagandist multiple times, he also name called him with multiple different debating insults. And after all that he lied about RedEffect for attacking him personally (which RedEffect didn’t do) and not addressing his points and instead attacking him for things that he was right about (indirectly calling him a liar). So tell me again, LazerPig did not slander RedEffect? I don’t know if you are a LazerPig fan but this is the average mentality of a LazerPig’s fan.
@mystictomato9466 I'm not entirely sure what you think slandering is, bit calling someone a propagandist for a specific country isn't slander. And even if it were, it wouldn't be slander, especially when it's a known fact that Red Effect is known to use Russian Propoganda for his arguments and such, which LP points out.
Sorry that you've been having to try to "reason" with LazerPig. 95% of his appearance of being knowledgable is from him blustering about how others are wrong.
He uses a couple of basic fallacious techniques. 1. Gishgallop. Rather than develop anything strongly, instead such a sends a tide of weak arguments in a numerically strong wave very few people will have the time or resources to counter properly. 2. Appeal to popularity. Russia bashing is extremely popular in the English speaking world, so guess what he does. This plays into the confirmation biases of people who have been heavily conditioned by their own media, and press to believe anything bad to hear about Russia since their births. 3. Motte And Bailey Argument. Makes a big argument with his surface semantics the Motte, but then retreat and pretender his argument was much smaller and more reasonable when attacked, the Bailey. Basically, he likes to talk a big aggressive game when he’s on the attack and then act like he’s actually very reasonable when confronted, and why are you attacking him? He’s not saying anything all that controversial or unreasonable! 4. Pepe The Frog Fallacy. This ties into number three and it’s based on an Alt Right debate tactic (figures a Nazi lover would do this) where, when losing claim he is not really a series debater but just a Memer or a hobbyist or a comedian, and therefore it’s not fair to attack him it’s all just a joke. Only his output and presentation is not comedic, and it’s clearly meant to be serious and persuasive.
@@Mortablunt Sorry what, it hasn't popular to bash Russia. I dunno where you got your information but I don't know anyone in my entire life even in the media who consistently bashed Russia. Pretty much considered an equal up until the invasion. If you mean banter then...well sure it's banter, but overall Americans...just don't really care that much man.
@@lihangsu249imagine being so stupid and believing the nonsense that blessed and based Pepe 🐸(PBUH, the Prophet of the One true God K3K) was a dogwhkstle for muh aLt-rIgHt and nAhZeEz and not stupid normies and. Leftists. Oh wait, you and Mortadella are that dumb.
you absolutely nailed it red, truly one of THE best tank tubers out there. And going out of your way to talk with real tankers engineers, etc. is just awesome dude.
@@jaibusby673the T14 is more of a testbed for the turretless tec and the new armament/ammo. They might use it but i doubt it, not just because it would be dragged across the western media if it gets knocked out by something the tanks capabilities have no influence on, like mines or artillery but there is also nothing in ukraine their current tanks can't deal with, including the western armor that has export grade downgraded composite protection anyway.
@@Asofe17 the Abrams doesn't get the DU armor, Leopard 2A 4-6 get export armor variants not the Bundeswehr one, basically the same turkey got with their Leos (i think germans use version numbers) and the Challenger 2s dont get the most moder chobham armor as far as i know, they all get composite inserts more representative of the early 1980s, but there is a lot of info floating around and i guess nobody knows for sure, except with the Abrams where they 100% get the same export variant Iraq got, maybe with different fire controls but not sure.
A lot of people here want to see them talk it out but I honestly don’t really see that as an option. Lazerpig’s response video was mainly ad hominem attacks in an attempt to ruin red’s reputation. This came out of nowhere and as red mentioned lazerpig seemed nice when he communicated with him. Lazerpig burned any bridges and potential options for a open discussion. His recent shitpost really came off as an attempt to draw away attention from the new videos from cone and red. Lazerpig is trying to de-escalate everything because it’ll be really hard for him to win a actual debate now if one happened.
You pretty much nailed it. His latest video is an attempt to distract and deflect from an actual discussion. Lazerpig probably realized he was getting pounded by 2 well know war historian channels at once and is trying to change the subject with silliness.
@@TheBigExclusive3 if you count the Chieftain. Also he had a comment under that video seething about the Chieftain getting involved and not siding with him. The comment was subsequently deleted by TH-cam according to the Pig.
@@713Tankbuster probably economic issues mixed with bureaucracy. The Russian federation has a lot of problems and the current sanctions aren’t helping them. Similar thing with the Ak-12 where it took way longer than expected to produce in numbers. They have produced a number of these tanks however production likely hasn’t been streamlined and it will take some time for large numbers to appear. I’m not gonna pretend that the current Russian government is great or super efficient because it really isn’t. However the current war is forcing the country to iron out a lot of its issues and I expect we’ll see something happen in the near future.
Yep, Lazerpigs video felt like It was not really done objectively, or he was just drunk on It, he proclaimed that on several other videos after all, not that he was drunk specifically on that video, but in videos in general
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726 Even as a man who is bordering on being an unironic alcoholic, I cannot understand making a serious reply video while under the influence. Surely, someone with less of a problem than me can exercise at least enough patience and restraint to be sober for just a couple of hours for recording before hitting the bottle and handing the editing to someone else.
I'm honestly disappointed by the way LazerPig reacted to this video as well. He might be a "historian", but he is also an absolute manchild. As someone who used to respect both channels, he finally lost that last bit of respect.
@@kiankier7330 he kind of is. I watched his response in full. It wasn't just ad hominem attacks, but had actual criticism about RedEffect's video. He even mentions the fact that he respected RedEffect and wanted to make an in-depth video with him about the T-14
@@tristanrouse6150calling him historian is insult to real historian. not only he denial and bias, he also partner with a real government propaganda channel, making him a certain if not true propaganda channel.
LP's last video “drama war" Just shows that he's the type of guy like "Arguing with me its pointless, I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago, I'm just just trying to piss you off now"
It's like that meme where guy craps his pants, then when everyone is reacting as a normal person would, the guy responds with "normies can't get mu humor"
Seems like you’re more mature on the whole debate. I’ve followed you for a long time and never felt you were biased. After seeing your vids, anytime I see Ru tanks I think how vulnerable they are due to terrible reverse speed and ammo in carousel.
I think if there'd ONE take away lesson Red Effect has taught me, it's that reverse speed is important, and Soviet and Russian designs tend to be slow in that regard.
Exactly. And the framing of the situation by him and his fanbase as just drama is strange. As if these topics aren't open for academic debate. The real drama is lazerpig unable to handle any criticism to his claims.
I knew Lazerpig was full of shit and all about his ego when he commented on the video The Chieftan/Nicholas Moran made about this drama. Lazerpigs comment IIRC was basically claiming he'd said he just wanted the drama behind him and to move on, claimed The Chieftan knew that, and claimed he deliberately decided to shittily bring it back up, harming his mental health for easy views, and that the chieftain was shitty and low for it or something. But considering the Chieftain somehow made a neutral video on what caused the Troubles in Ireland, and was praised by both sides of that conflict for how unbiased he was and how well it easily and correctly summed up everything, I doubt anything Lazerpig claimed in that comment was based on anything more than his own bruised ego and well known narcissistic inability to admit his mistakes or his shitty behavior when challenged or corrected in his videos.
This reply will almost certainly get lost in the sea of replies, but as someone who is a bit of a Laser Pig fan I thought it be worth to chime in. LP is the one at fault in this drama for starting it, revitalizing it when was fading into his obscurity, not having any sources but lying about it in an academic discussion, plus his overall immaturity regarding the drama. While I cannot say most other LP fans are as critical towards LP's stance as I, don't get into slap fights with them. RedEffect's passivity, plus the Chieftain's clarity won me, an LP fan over. Getting in online fights will just sink you to LP's level.
Honestly it was disappointing from LP to see that type of content. Quoting random people on the internet with no credibility, outright lying and name calling especially RE as a Russian propagandist was a new low
One thing I got from this whole drama is that from constant support the Pig got too egotistical. He thought of himself as too great and started getting complacent. Hopefully this brings him down a peg and he learns his lesson.
Main thing is, LazerPig was always just only a shitposter, a thing which has more than leaked into the internet by this point instead of staying in it's own mostly separate section, and this in return ended up in being led to it clashing with serious topics grounded in actual realism. It's such a shame honestly that the Golden Age of the Internet (2010-2015) has ended, otherwise none of this would've happened, and we wouldn't see the vast expansion and over-proliferation of banter culture on the internet. You didn't deserve this RedEffect. I have great appreciation for the content that you make. Owning actual books and talking to tank crew members in person. Now THAT's dedication right there. Don't allow any of those cancer culture shits to impede you.
No one’s trying to cancel redeffect for his video but he can have valid criticism held against him just like Lazerpig I think you’ve missed that. Also although Lazerpig adds comedy to his videos it’s for engagements sake not because he’s a shit poster. Ultimately Lazerpig is right though the T14 is a hot pile of wank while red has some goods points to the contrary it still doesn’t disprove that the tank is outdated by modern standards
@@baileypryke3191 The word "cancer" refers to a whole another group of people compared to "cancel". Someone can only toxically insult the other so much in an effort of forced assimilation until the targeted person who's the victim of such trolling can not even tell what banter is anymore, or the thin line that separates it. We are all fully aware that the Armata was just a product of the Russian oligarchy, but to completely say that it's a "hot pile of wank" is a bit of a stretch. LazerPig is a comedian shitposter supported and worshipped mostly by a bunch of other political and military shitposters like him for example people from the subreddit NCD and so on, and he's not a professional analyst who owns books and speaks to veteran people, so he should stick to that and not start drama with TH-camr's who's content is vastly different and more serious rather than the type he mostly produces. The people who support and worship him also think that for some goddamn reason, meme and phonk edits are equivalent to the reality of war and military procurement, which by the way, they aren't. For example, they believe that my country, in reality raked with internal problems and an inefficient right-winger government ran mostly by anti-abortion grandpa daddies, is a superpower. I'm not making that shit up. Dozens of misleading news media articles and tabloids as well as further fuel added to the fire by Poland's chief propaganda mouthpiece state news media channel of constant foul-up's and blunders that they're unable to prevent before they happen does not help the situation. They only ever slightly need to see a small military parade and overly-ambitious military acquisitions to be ecstatic about their made-up fanfiction. In reality, the purchases that Poland's government made for it's military were chosen only by politicians, choosing stuff mostly for it's looks and what they think it should do, and the military meanwhile did not even have a say in any of those purchases, all of which were off the shelf. There was no prolonged negotiation, no planning, and no prior thought put into it before buying. The Right-wingers made those purchases without taking systems of support and exploitation into account. That means a lack of spare parts, maintenance facilities, storage hangars, and overall support and servicing (logically and logistically). Which translates to that if any of those tanks, aircraft and artillery breaks down, have malfunctions or faults, then all of those fancy newly-bought vehicles will just sit and rot away in rusted post-Soviet warehouses. All of what the Ministry of National Defense had spent it's money on away into shit without any prior consideration and preliminary planning was not even tested. But that's not even the problem, because the core problem lies within the base armed forces, already neglected by the ideologically-directed governments in the past from the 1990's to today. Soldiers in the professional and the recent voluntary compulsory militaries are mostly being given out obsolete equipment and uniforms from the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's instead of a soldier walking into a supply store and being issued brand newest up-to-date boots and uniforms. Instead you get poor-quality boots which in a short time period wear themselves out to the point of no longer being usable, older webbing kits and backpacks from the 1970's and 1980's a. la Polish People's Army-style well-renown for being tight and uncomfortable, obsolescent quilt jackets that hold in water instead of repelling it, and they don't even issue you brand-new sleeping bags, foldable camping tents, combat knives/bayonets, flashlights, lighters or compasses, because guess what? The military, the government, the Ministry of National Defense and technically the entire military department forces you to buy that stuff all by yourself instead of already issuing it to you, from just pennies-worth of pocket money called "uniform allowance" which wouldn't even be enough to buy all of that stuff instead of properly ensuring the soldier, or like, you know, any real fucking actual human Western-aligned military elsewhere in the entire world, issuing it to the soldier right away once he steps in and arrives to his mechanized infantry unit's headquarters.
@@baileypryke3191 How is Lazerpig right when all the points he made in his video are made up, portrayed wrong, propaganda or just slander againt red effect saying he fell for Russian propaganda lol
Oh, and talking about mechanized infantry, most of which are still driving around and breaking their backs in this depression and suicide-encouraging of a pathetic excuse for a military force with over 1,000 obsolete 1960's-Era coffin BMP-1 IFV's, around 100 of which were already given away to Ukraine, but the problems don't stop there. You would figure that our new modern Patria IFV's would replace all BMP-1's currently used in the Polish Land Forces, but not at all. In fact, most of these are only on disposition for only a few mechanized infantry brigades, and for brand new soldiers and recruits who expect to buy this Right-wing propaganda facade of being issued a brand new MSBS Grot assault rifle, being kitted out like some high-tech operators that you see in most of those propaganda NATO-Warwave videos once they arrive to their respective unit, they will be in for quite a dissapointment. More on the Patria's though. Poland as a result of introducing extreme budget cuts and continuing to downsize it's military after 1990 under Lech Wałęsa was destined to eventually become mostly a peacekeeping-size and overseas mission-going only military force, buying only some modern and licensed equipment in limited quantities just for the purpose of maintaining this self-image of a "strong and powerful military capable of defending the entire country and fully staying up to it's commitments to NATO" just to send off troops on useless missions and such, and this happened for over a decade. Things got only even worse when the rebranded Communists under the Social Democratic "Democratic Left Alliance" party under Aleksander Kwaśniewski took over in 1995, "legally" ousting Lech Wałęsa's inefficient and even chaotic governments through presidential election, where essentially, the Round Table Agreements of 1989 came back to bite Wałęsa in the ass, who was mostly focused on his self-image of an everyday man instead of practical responsibilities and role of a president. Solidarity, instead of removing Communism completely from power like in most countries and lustrating (purging) Communism from all aspects of Polish life like Jan Olszewski's cabinet wanted to (mind you a very influential individual in Polish politics, he knew the real corrupt shit that was going on and tried his best to fix it, but his cabinet was ultimately removed from power by Wałęsa through a non-Democratic vote of no confidence due to lack of unified support for his goverment), rather decided to make peace with said Communists and allow them to return to power under a new brand after 1989 and then seize total power in 1995. The SLD party was very corrupt, and especially wanted to take away all funding (military and non-military) for anything it saw as unnecessary and instead funnel it all off towards public spending on useless shit like more trash bins and bus stops. Take the Gawron-class corvette program for example, where just a year after construction for 7 corvettes was approved, the Ministry of National Defense under orders from the corrupt SLD government decided to immediately reduce, defund and then cancel the program altogether and limit construction to just 1 vessel, a single unfinished hull which just sat and rotted in drydock for 14 years and it's costs to fully complete and equip it ballooned due to the lack of funding as the country saw the SLD lose favor out of power after a corruption scandal and the change through 3 subsequent governments: Right-wing in 2005, Liberal in 2010 (or 2007 when Donald Tusk became Prime Minister) and then finally Right-wing again in 2015 who finally, without any knowledge of what clusterfuck went on prior had the audacity to launch and complete this single hull as Poland's ONLY modern pathetic warship. Since 2005 under the Right-wingers, the Polish military wasn't any better either. Besides some minor acquisitions like the Peace Sky Program in 2006 where the politicians bought around only 48 F-16's and around some 200 AIM-120C AAMRAM missiles without further consideration of further increasing the number of jets, missiles and logistical equipment (the numbers haven't pretty much changed since then), the Polish Armed Forces still mostly remained this perpetual self-fueling cycle of a peacekeeper mission-going, mandatory conscription, depression, suicide, dedovschina, logistical and logical clusterfuck-ridden shithole ideologically-directed and unnoticeably badly influenced by party government leadership without any significant military, procurement, systematic replacement/mass-production of new hardware and so on. After 2007 and the Smolensk air crash in 2010 where majority of the Right-wingers' most influential government and it's officials ended up dying as a result of the incompetence and sheer training and VIP aviation errors intensified within the entirety of the Polish military in the past few years, and the subsequent vastly neo-Liberal sweeping of the plane crash under the rug and the then politics of reset with Russia that followed, the Polish Armed Forces took an even bigger hit. Much like most of Poland's ideologically-directed party governments throughout the years, the Liberals also had their own opinion about the military, but just as bad is what they wanted to turn Poland into, the effects of which are still affecting us all to this very day, regardless of anybody's political alignment, opinion or which party they preferrably support today. Immediately after they took power, Donald Tusk swore to make Poland into his own Liberal paradise subject only to the EU's commands from Brussels, he started that in 2010 he boasted that he would reduce and cut all taxes and make life for the middle class and poor much easier, but instead he and his goverrnment changed his views, instantly raised them to the max, introduced a shit-ton of tarrifs, excise and taxes on goods such as diesel oil, alcohol, tobacco, coal, sugar and so on, and eliminated many tax exemptions, a strategy now adopted in recent times by Mateusz Morawiecki, but that's not even more. As a result of the Civic Platform's rise to power, the nepotism and cronyism only grew even more, thus preventing the average Polish citizen middle class, who were mostly already pecking away at little seeds like chickens at this point to even try to live off of something, from even obtaining higher paying jobs, and this was not even further helped by the fact that Donald Tusk and his goverments refused to even raise the monthly lowest average minimum wage per capita or introduce any sort of social welfare programs to help, instead being like "Nah, fuck it. You're having problems? You're on your own, buddy. We won't give a fuck if the riot police SWAT-raids your house one day because you couldn't pay off the family's debt, problems with which were exaggerated further by us and you land in a mental asylum because of us after all we did." In short: the Liberal goverments of Donald Tusk, in a sterotypically corporate move which is much more prevalent nowadays than it was back then, initially promised paradise, only to move away from it and make life in Poland total suffering during his tenure in power. But more on what they did to the military. In compliance with the Civic Platform's brand-new politics of reset, the Ministry of National Defense, as ordered by Donald Tusk's governments, began dissolving and liquidating several mechanized infantry and tank divisions on the country's Eastern flank, abolishing dozens of military units, offices and postings across the country, which downsized the military even further, and then sent away the leftover equipment from those liquidated military units deemed as "unnecessary" to rot in post Soviet-Era warehouses, including the still relatively-modern Leopard 2 tanks which by the way were received for free from Germany through a peace dividend. This shitshow went on for about quite a while for 5 years until the Right-wingers took power again, when in Late 2014 Donald Tusk left his post of Prime Minister of Poland to instead become President of the European Council in December of 2014, and that was the lucky break for the Right-wingers, now or never to reverse all the damage that he has caused, or so i that's what i initially thought as a kid what the Right-wingers were there for. Boy, i couldn't have been far more wrong. With the perverted National Conservative Right-wing and it's perverted values came it's own problems, from wanting to ban abortion, turn Poland into a Traditionalist Catholic Fascist state similar to Orban's Hungary (as they both were and still are very close autocratic-in common allies), crack down on LGBT rights, drastically ramp up taxes, vastly increase deficit and government spending on rewards for politicians, ruling Right-wing aligned organizations, funding the state news media channel and so on (all of these things combined would end up with Poland spiralling into economic inflation problems before COVID-19 and the Russian Invasion of Ukraine), and so much more problems that i would rather not list here because my comment is already THAT long. I'm very sorry about my mostly gone-political rambling here, but i couldn't help it and decided to give some wisdom on what has actually happened with Poland in the last few decades, and because i need to make this right. Main point is: Due to all of those factors that i had mentioned, any attempt at Polish military mobilization under the current governments to meet Russian aggression in the future will be disasterous. So much for this facade and self-image rather than an actual practical military.
LazerPig needs to spend some time examining the functioning of a 10-speed bicycle and think about his top speed argument. The pre-collaboration Arjun dispute looks like a good-faith garden party by comparison to this.
The very fact that he believed, for even a fraction of a second, that a 4 cylinder engine in a Honda produced the same torque as a 4 ton diesel engine should be all the proof one would ever need that the man is mechanically illiterate.
What’s so ironic about nato propaganda and troglodytes like LP is that pretty much both sides in this conflict are using the same tanks most of the time and once nato tanks showed up nothing changes and loss rates are the same in Ukraine for nato vehicles and Russian vehicles. Neither is better or worse.
@@verstappen9937 If that was the case desert storm would have ended differently as well. It's omega dumb to break down something so complex into something that simple. You need close air support, protection from artillery and more but neither ukraine really has in any significant numbers. Not couting the insane minefields even. When you use something that is made for another spec then sure it doesnt work as well. It's like taking a race cars to motocross.
@@saltysalt7339 "desert storm" Lol. What about Syria and Yemen ? Dozen of Leopard 2 lost in only 4 hours while having total artillery and air superiority and same in Yemen for Abrams, or Iraq against the islamic state, losing lot of Abrams too. Bringuing "desert storm" just show you dont understand what you are speaking about. Immobile and entrenched chinese copies of soviet tanks in the iraqi desert with starving and battered iraqi soldiers, who were exhausted by 10 years of war, biggest war of the 20th century after the first and second GM. All of it with no air cover and support, facing the biggest military coalition since WWII (there were more planes flying overthere than there is flying in the US airforce have today). In other hand, during the Iran Iraq war, T-72 had the upper hand over western tanks. A few T-72 destroyed the bulks of Iranian M-60 and Chieftains.
That's what people like Lazerpig do. Ignore any valid argument presented and cherry-pick things for your biased narrative since your audience doesn't do their own research anyway.
Him calling you "parroting Russian propaganda" is too rich and funny to me, since he literally calls himself Ukrainian propagandist now and wears it like badge of honor and the nafo shit as well for the reddit audience
I think you just have a broken sarcasm detector, or maybe are on the Autism spectrum. You'd have to follow up with a medical professional on this one though.
Him calling himself a "Ukrainian propagandist" is clearly a joke at the expense of Tankies who call anything and everything anti-Russian (including mild and fair criticisms) "Ukrainian propaganda" (at least in the context of the war).That's why he, Destiny, Digi and anyone else on the "even rounder table" podcast explode into laughter as they say it.
@@MRtapio5 lazer pig isnt going to respond becuase he knows the community is against him here, no reason to bring more attention to it when you already have a big community that doesnt really care or know about his poor credibility. lazerping appeals to a bigger and more mainstream audience, tank nerds are the minority, considering that LP's response video has more views than the original Red Effect response. LP has been called out big time, and the smart move is to just ignore the critisism and move on with his massive audience.
the difference between your response and lazerpig response is quite vast. I also just appreciate the lack of theatrics, and just straightforward information
Lazer pig, skips over the many... many mistakes made in his original video. Claims that red effect is a person who falls for russian propaganda, calls his fanbase a bunch of vatniks and uses "oh I'm just some internet historian" as an excuse as to why there are so many mistakes and errors in his videos. Just pulls information out of ass and doesn't link all of his sources in the description to prove his claims even more.
I like your way of calmly presenting well researched arguments without any extra drama. So although I haven't been following the conversation that much, I definitely prefer your channel over any other tank youtubers. Good job!
I like how red effect does his best to be unbiased, infact hes helped me look at this whole war slightly differently lazerpig just reinforced my cognitive bias
@@minecraftfox4384-says Redeffect uses Russian sources (he does not, and he shows them too) -defends Lazerpig, who literally uses Russian blogs and propaganda as his sources which he hides Go back to Minecraft, nobody wants to hear your nonsense
Let’s settle this once and for all, take it to the war thunder forums
Only "sharing" the "special documents" in War Thunder can end this dispute once and for all!
@@FelipeCH-fn7scdont forget that you must be serving within armed forces ;)
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Shoigu , do you play warthunder? What about you Gerasimov?
Lets Not do that
Y’know what I am actually learning something really important from all of this: a lot of history has likely been very skewed and distorted just because of drama between historians like this
not even historians. just a bunch of technical manual weenies with an internet connection and wikipedia.
Nothing new, If their is one thing I 100% agree with LP on, It is the fact that you need to be able to know people, cause history is ultimately written by people, and people can be biased as hell a lot of time
i honestly believe that all human history is a bunch of lies in a bunch of books and internet forums, you can't trust anybody and that's the main reason why we are still at war over dumb things.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726As you can see with the current Ruso-Ukrainian war. Each side has biases. Some more extreme i would say on the Ukr side. Then magnified by western ability to push it out to masses since they own all forms of main stream media.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726nah he's an idiot.... A russian engineer a German engineer an American engineer are all engineers at the end of the day... Most of the Russian guys were blasting their ex bosses all the projects they ruined and most of them are a bunch of complaints.... It takes a real manipulative piece of garbage to confuse engineering reports with psyops... Any person with common sense should be able to understand this. Soviet engineers didn't get paid well enough to lie about anything in the 80s 90s or early 2000s
I've heard a joke like that:
An american spy was a soviet spy's friend and both meet each other in a bar despite their differences.
One day, they had a conversation that lead them to talk about propaganda. The american spy said:
- Seriously, I really love your soviet propaganda. Not gonna lie, but you know how to reach the masses.
So, the soviet spy replied:
- True, our propaganda bureau only allow the best to work there. BTW, I also love your american propaganda.
When the american spy heared that, he stood up and, with anger, shout out:
- Nonsense! We don't have propaganda!
Well said. We’re still told that our enemies are Russia and China and that their populations are brainwashed and propagandized. Maybe there’s some truth to that, but I live in the US and I’m more concerned about what our government and media push out to our people on a daily basis. It’s scary how many people don’t even question it.
stupid post. Orcs are in fantasy land. Big difference
@@ruskiessuck3337says the windmill of friendship
lmao. thats a good one. very true too
Operator starsky and United 24 ?
Funny how red is slowly starting to lose temper thru the video, but he manages to calm down every time even tho its clear how frustrated he is by lazers language
Lazer claims that the M1 engine doesn't consume more fuel when we literally have a US made document of different engines consumption when mounted onto M1.
And everyone who worked with the M1 will tell you that it consumes loads of fuel. If the guy knew anything about how engines work we wouldnt be having this convo...
@@niksonrex88 he historian and he might be good at making research for history specific topics, but he's not a tank nerd and it shows when he says some things for his head and gets it wrong as with Honeywell turbine. Making a video about T-14 when he can't access non English sources is laughable.
@@simon2493 What makes you think he is a historian? He is a NAFO ukro bot. Their whole premise is to paint Russia black any way that they can. And that is exactly what he has been doing.
And it makes sense why most MBTs are gas rather than gas turbine.
But lazer is right, what you're talking about here is the early stages of the abrams turbine engine and everyone knew that from the start so they had plans for the later installment of an auxiliary power unit (APU), same shit with the noise, the tanks was louder indeed but not by much, and this changed aswell over time. The problem is the crews stuck with the joke and people still think it consumes loads of fuel. That engine can take several types of fuel without much trouble and is very reliable, also in terms of hp output its much better (I'm not american nor an americaboo, its just that lazer is right)
According to lazerpig's logic all piston engines are just a modification of the Ford Model T engine.
Oh, and the turbine engine of the Abrams is basically the same as the jet engine of the Me 262.
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why wasn’t time trying to understand what someone else is saying when you can just make something up and claim it’s what they think. Don’t worry you look really smart right now
more like this is your interpretation of lazerpig's logic.
No no... The Abrams turbine is nothing more than a Hydroelectric turbine, but is using hot air from combustion, instead of water. 😏
_-LazerPig logic, probably... I dunno._
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE It's just a smaller Dutch windmill.
lazer pig is complaining about him using russian and soviet sources for russian and soviet tanks??? 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Because russian and soviet sources are biased, making their vehicles seem better than they actually are.
Now, keep in mind NATO/Western sources aren't very trustworthy at times, but they damn sure can be credible and truthful to an extent.
That's not what he said. He said he believed that RedEffect wasn't objective enough with Soviet sources but was highly critical of Western ones. Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, _fanciful_ at times when compared to Western ones. Partly due to a general lack of transparency and a culture which, depending on who was in charge, may have penalised negative reporting. And it should come as a surprise to no one that publicly available modern Russian sources are highly dubious.
Nobody's perfect, RE is generally reliable, and you should always do your own research and come to your own conclusions if you really want to know "the truth". LazerPig and RedEffect present themselves as educators, and they are in a way, but really they're essayists giving their personal, (mostly) fact-based opinions on things.
@shaddaboop7998 Are we quoting this..?
@@shaddaboop7998
>Soviet sources are known for being a little, erm, how should we say this, fanciful at times when compared to Western ones
Citation needed. There is no reason to assume that a Soviet source would be more or less biased than a Western one. The bias is just directed differently.
its like saying ... why you choose to belive american source from lockheed martin about their f-16 instead chinese source for f-16
Real OGs remeber when RedEffect & AlphaDefense were beefing over the Arjun MBT and Matimus had to intervene 😂
Good times
said it on the Chieftain's vid I'll say it again
2020 we had the Arjun Debacle
2023 we had the T14 tiff
see you in 2026 for the next tank fight bros
@@Thunderbolt22A10 drdo is coming with zorawar light tank this year i am looking forward to that fight :)
that wasnt even that long ago
Well That did end with a Surprisingly good Ending . Red did admit he missed some good points about Arjun and Alpha did admit that He shouldn't have bantered with Red about this back and forth but just discussed it peacefully . Not Glad they privatised their videos tho.
Do we need to mention that Lazerpig even went under Chieftain’s channel to rant about how Chieftain shouldn’t critique him and should stay out of it?
Of course Lazerpig deleted his comment after getting the pin of shame and heavily ratioed.
Hes very condescending and rude. Most of his titles and cover art is clickbait and he is more bias than factual. I found his response video to be more evident that he had his ego hurt than it was a factual counter.
Being a brit ive met many like him, hes just a salty guy who is sarcastic and condescending and ive never liked his videos due to the childish manner they are presented in.
The guys with boyfriends crowd are always highly entitled and act like a protected class
LLLLLLLLLLLLLL🤣
@@bloodking73 no just him actually
@@bloodking73 "And gradually, I began to hate them."
Im surprised you didn't address the personal attacks more, half of his arguments against both you and cone were outright insults
professionals have standards 🥰
Honestly, with how he took the whole Lira thing I thought he wouldn't be this petty, must be another side to him I guess
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726lira is obviously wrong to everyone, Red is not, because he isn't obviously wrong, as he's sometimes wrong every now and again like everyone.
It's harder to defend against someone whose not always wrong, and lazer got flustered. Very flustered apparently.
To be fair cone did personaly attacked LP. I think he just got frustrated after cone of arc and just begun spitballing honestly.
One of the major rules of debating is that you attack the arguments of the opposition, not the people presenting them. RedEffect displayed emotional control and maturity by only focusing on the facts and not letting those words cloud his judgement.
These videos can no longer be "response" videos. This is a whole conversation at this point.
Usually people talk in the same room or web room to hold a conversation. This is one pathetic person's attempt to discredit someone he personally does not like and his homies. A group of critics I wouldn't entrust with a box of wet matches.
@@PTillA-kf7rq
Didn't know GlazedPork had a group :-?
@@PTillA-kf7rq yeah Lazerpig attempt to discredit Redeffect just because he personally doesn`t like him truly was pathetic.
@@RomanianReaverAll the same for someone who doesn't like being called a Russian propagandist there sure all alot of people who use Russian propaganda commenting on and defending redeffect on his channel, And as far as I know red didn't ask them to anymore then Lp did, so fans I guess, though really why are so many people who talk about russian propaganda so attracted to his channel to comment and defend him if he's not a russian propagandist, birds of a feather tend to flock together and all that. By the way I wear glasses, you in my opinion might want to see an optometrist, I am not a group but a single person sir. Oh look who else is back Soviet. I thought when you made that "português?" comment you had learned not to hold an unhealthy grudge, I see not.
@@sovieticodiabetico6874 Vulture.
I love how LP says "red constantly hurr durr or nuh uh's me" when he does the same exact thing to red
Some Russian dude is going to disclose top secret t14 docs on a war thunder forum and prove you both wrong.
As is tradition!
Turns out the engine is straight up a refurbished Ford model T engine
Lmaoo😭😂😂
😂😂😂
lmao, this AGED SO WELL. we have T14 manuals now
Never has so much been said about a vehicle that has been produced in such small numbers.
Then dont lie about them, or say "Im not sure" dont make outlandish claims , its that simple
Su-57
You just copied that comment word for word
@@xx_lightning_xx5781🗿
@@u2beuser714 i Guess you're referring to the Lazer pig guy, not the person who wrote the first comment in this treat.
Not providing the source and telling someone to "JuSt lOoK iT Up By YouRsElFe" is a really big red flag.
He had folks dig in archives. In Russia. Which is currently in full-blown patriotic censorship mode.
LP said that? Whow
@@HarenunHoppus He showed the sources. He just didn't name them.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADI see, I see
He did provide the sources, but intentionally didn't reveal where to get those sources, so that people are forced to go trough the same suffering as he did.
You can tell that LazerPig is very smart because he says “ah yes” and “hur dur” a lot
common midwit behavior
He also loves men
And Hurm hurm hurm hurm hurm!
british banter
Anyone who's watched both videos can tell that you haven't watched Lazer Pig's videos at all. This is as stupid as saying: you can tell RedEffect is very smart because he talks with a funny accent.
It’s one thing to point out someone’s potential bias. But when LazerPig keeps saying you’re “parroting propaganda” it seems like he’s just trying to discredit you, or trying to poison the well, so to speak. Also, anyone who has followed RedEffect knows that the accusation that he’s trying to clout farm LazerPig to gain subs is crazy. After reading LazerPig’s posts and watching his response, it seems to me that he’s just butthurt that he got called out on his BS. He took it VERY personally!
LazerPig sounds like some of those pedophiles like Jimmy Saville, strong caracter, provokative, doesnt allow a minimal questioning of his own actions... wouldnt surprise me, he calles himself a Pig after all
lazerpig is using classic tactic blaming others for the things that person is doing himself, he is just a racists mi5 shill
This is so true, in the first 5 mins he’s discredited RedEffect about a thousand times after saying “no beef” and shit and it’s so clear he’s just salty and butt hurt
Lazerpig can't honestly claim red is promoting propaganda when he is a self confessed "NAFO" member, which is a pro western imperalism trollfarm
Laser pig is a definition of "Everybody is stupid except me"
Funny. Lazerpig says Russian sources can;t be trusted, but uses Russian sources to say that T14 is horrendous design
Yeah, it was pointed out in this video too, among other things.
Red Effect has been the only channel I can watch where I know and feel that I am not being lied to intentionally. The critiques on Western and Eastern tanks are equal, and the fact that both Western and Eastern supporters hate you, that says a lot about your content for being centered.
Same, I only watch Laser for his WW2 videos because it's easier to point out lies. With Modern Technology, Red is my go too.
True, reminds me of the people/channels who criticised russian autoloader designs yet also conceded that it's the future for all tanks but needs it's issues ironed out. They then had russian lovers hate them, and had western lovers say "abrams doesnt have one and its better so yeah, go d*e". Low and behold, the US military accepts autoloaders will likely be incorporated into future designs while russia is still refining theirs to this day.
@@subjectc7505 Lazer's ww2 videos are still crap
@@tristanstebbens1358 It's interesting that they think tank blowing up is something unique to Russian tanks??? Like do they think Leopard turrets don't fly when all the ammo inside cooks???
@@lolasdm6959 eeh, compared to his modern videos.
He accuses you of using Soviet sources for Soviet Tanks. That's like accusing someone of using The Bible to study Christianity.
Before the conflict, nobody even bother if you post some russian thing with russian documentation/source. The sheer amount of anti russia is scary right now
Well, your comparison pretty much supports lazerpigs argument completely. Both are a collection of fantasy's describing something that never existed as described in the sources...
@@rkadi6540 i wonder where all that anti russia is comming from.
It is not like something happened recently that showed the true mindset and values of russia..
Right?
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 yeah but just because they are the quote "bad guys" in this war doesnt mean their equipment is all of a sudden all shit and made out of cardboard etc etc
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 "true mindset and values of Russia"- how exactly Russian actions in Ukraine differ from NATO actions in Syria for example? Both sides decided to help rebels and destroy shite local government. Do you think American sources also shouldn't be used ?
Lazerpig calling you "parroting propaganda" is rich coming from him.
Really? What propaganda? Maybe I Just didn't see it as someone who borned behind the iron curtain I Just hate ruzzia.
lol LP is right. This guy is a Russian blog muncher.
@@danielsebestyen7955 ok have 10 million arabs instead
was about to say the same.
@@belliduradespicio8009 Better that than being dying poverty ridden dying shi_thole like Russia. Russians love doing sudoku so much they have 7th highest rates of it :)
The lack of respect from lazer pig is astounding considering how wrong he was
Hes in a group called NAFO who focused on attacking russian with memes
@@arandomt-9056don’t forget how he also signed a deal with a Ukrainian propaganda front
@@-Benito_Swagolini-
Well, that's news to me. Mind if I ask for a source or some general directions for looking into the subject?
@@gustaveliasson5395Red Effect did provides a picture of united 24 signing a deal with lazer pig, maybe in the middle of the video.
@@arandomt-9056That’s highly unproductive in a space like Tank Enthusiasm where we kinda just want the facts, and maybe throw in the politics when contextual. But don’t lie pointlessly. That ruins this space. Ppl don’t gain a hobby to be around drama queens. Men ruin everything with DRAMA Lazer pig is one.
It’s funny how he claims he’s been attacked, and his fans being mocked. When I was one of the FIRST to correct him, and his fans called me all kinds of things (Tankie, N4zi, evil, Russian propagandist, etc I can’t say all them). Everything but a CHILD OF GAWD 😂! So to play victim when this is the drama he, and his fans sewed up needlessly is crazy.
Not to mention painting Red as pro Russian propaganda seems like he’s just saying so based on his accent. Because as a pro ukraine, and anti-child r8p guy I can say this channel hasn’t been kind/biased towards the Russians hence why I’m here. The issue for them is that red hasn’t been spreading propaganda about the Ukrainians either. So if you don’t play ball you’re public enemy number 1.
LazerPig, instead of admitting he is wrong, goes around saying that people correcting him must be some Russian bots.
I hate men like this, no responsibility and all he needed to do is to just simply say that, he was wrong or point us to the sources he was using.
Lazerpig also loves men
but he did admit he can be wrong. His entire attitude is one where he knows he can be proven wrong. However quoting Literal forum posts as sources isn't proper proof. Especially when those forum posts are about NATO engines and made by Russians. This entire drama is stupid, neither are wrong.
@@TurtleChad1Such a comment helps nobody.
@@Cylus024 It's true though. LazerPig himself stated he was homosexual, most likely to appease his degenerate Western Gen-Z fanbase.
@@TurtleChad1 And your point is?
Talking about the challenger 2 era, today first c2 got destroyed and it didn’t have that front era, “they won’t be deployed without era” aged bad
yea the Ukrainians got the most basic versions of the C2 just like how DPR get shitty T55s. Your point? Ruskies love jumping on shit before anything is actually confirmed haha.
Pozzed Pig calling anyone a propagandist is pure projection.
Freud explain everything
I had a look at his channel and he seems like the typical extremely biased NATO worshiping military enthusiast. Probably frequents the subreddit Non-Credible Defense. His video on the F35 is pure trash and could be considered propaganda.
He IS a part of a propaganda internet group lol
since he is one, everybody has to be. He just dislikes RF corruption, but it still seems it has some confines, unlike in the US.
Great nickname.
I've watched LazerPig for a while but my biggest problem with him is that he doesn't provide a list of sources.
YES, granted, some videos need more sauces then others, like the whole Abrams video not really needing that many by the fact of how stupid the people involved in It were, but when you make a response to someone you should point out where you get your information
And when he does the sources don't say what he claimed they say. He thinks we're too stupid to verify them ourselves.
He said he wouldn't provide any sources because we should do "our own research" 😂
@@Blakey-mw2sb and that remains my biggest problem. He talks on and on about other people not providing sources but then refuses to provide them himself. He talks all the time about verifying information but won't do the basic level of academic housekeeping and list the sources he used to reach his conclusion.
@@nicholaswalsh4462and why you follow that stupid channel then?
Lazerpig's video was essentially a manchild's rant, it's surprising that RedEffect even bothered to make a rebuttal considering how logically flawed LP's video was. The amount of cherrypicking LP did was astounding.
Agreed
That's all his videos.
As another wise poster mentioned, lazerpig is indeed gay. This must be brought into account when weighing these important matters.
you have to take into account that plenty of LP's fans seem to be even more logically flawed and tend to believe everything he says, either because they're children or just that braindead
westoids: "Its bad to rely on Soviet sources"
also westoids: releases yet another "why this murican thing is the best in the world" that relies on murican self proclaimed facts
LP is a classic teenager stuck in adults body who uses tribalism and hating on the other tribe as a way to compensate for the lack of achievements in real life
it's amazing how T-14 Tanks first kill is Lazerpig's career
They said Digital Era wasnt for Tank...
@@Doyle- LOL
The only tank that destroyed someone's career.
8 months later and I just watched a new laser Pig video last night
Lazerpiggy really embarassed himself here lol
LazerPig is ideologically driven, you can see it plainly. That is my biggest issue with him, he reacts almost emotionally about the whole thing. RedEffect did a great job dismantling his arguments, with no undercutting or clouded claims. Good job.
You don't need to see it, he clearly tells you himself. Literally calls himself a Ukrainian propagandist.
The way he automatically accuses all of his critics of "doing it just for internet clout" is also obvious projection. He's probably thinking that if that's why he does it himself, everyone else must be doing it for the same reason. RedEffect's video is nothing but respectful and honest, but LP is like "you're being disingenuous" for the simple reason that he himself is that.
The worst part is he thinks himself an actual historian.
"lazerpig being destroyed by facts and logic" wouldnt even be clickbait
Right?! Usually those vid tittles are for for vids where there's a simply disagreement, where as in this case LP's vid is littered with lies and inaccuracies that are easily disproven by anyone who actually does the research. If i had made a response to LP, (based partly on the fact he's such an arrogantly ignorant no-it-all who i can't stand to listen to, but also cuz it's the truth), would be far more viscous than what Arc or Red did: somethin like, "Lazerpig is a lazy and biased hack!"
My sole critique of your channel has always been how short your videos are, therefore I love the length of this video. LazerPig is a self-righteous drama queen so I’m sorry that you had to take your time to respond to him.
I mean you could kinda just immediately tell from the way LazerPig talks in his videos. Always with a very clear proactive emotional investment over something he has relatively little knowledge about, likely never will for another decade, and also for no reason. Like sure, lambast the product for its potential flaws, but the majority of his videos are just poor emotional jokes at russia rather than actual facts. (That and he openly discredits information based on the fact it has any sort of association to russian sources which isn't how you should approach such a topic)
@@tristanstebbens1358 Very well said.
@@tristanstebbens1358 Sadly, many popular history and equipment review channels come at a topic with a clear emotional/factional bias.
It is why we should value channels like RE all the more.
@@tristanstebbens1358 If someone is making every point mockingly then you know they've got something to hide.
so true
I sure am glad Lazerpig took the criticism to heart amd responded with the same level of professionalism.
nah he just took to a vine bottle
professionalism?
One of his whole things is being drunk during his vids half the time. Mmm yes, professionalism is not something to expect.
@@Ghent_Halcyonits for joke ya know
@@mateuszwisniewska1848 I hadn’t meant to post the comment, but apparently leaving the comments automatically posts it.
The fact Lazerpig tweeted that red was a cool guy and started to accuse him for Russian propaganda in his response makes me kind of sad
Backstabber. Everything you need to know about him. He doesn't get to have a valued opinion anymore.
One of my friends believes stuff I call him out for, believing the wrong thing doesn't make me dislike them. He can belise red is cool, and think red is falling for propaganda
Typical leftie behaviour really.
The pig is two faced, that's all.@@jasoncp3257
just shows his true colours, IE he's a backstabber.
tfw the T-14's first kill is LazerPig's career
Oh shit, bro, I can smell the roasted pork from here.
Haha good one
Gentlemen, I love the smell of bacon in the morning.
This is AWESOME
I'm rolling on the floor right now
T-14 bringing home the bacon.
Either this can be resolved quickly or spiral down into debates.
Rooting for the latter tbh
TH-cam: "SPI-RAL! SPI-RAL! SPI-RAL!"
It's simple. If the head and block is the same , it's the same engine regardless of how it's modified: bored, or supercharged, or fuel injected, ETC.
I can take a Chevy 350 engine and modify it to make 550hp. But it's still called a 350. Why? Because the heads and block, modified or not, are the same.
@@crforfreedom7407 technically all of the cars now including tesla are using copies of engine from Ford Model 1 right? since there's a spinning shaft
I am a layman when it comes to tanks . I took a lot of what lazerpig said especially about the engines on face value . Thanks a lot for providing context .
I wonder for whom LP''s videos are?
For some odd reason these people are winning a war with useless material, I wonder how that's supposed to happen then.
Seriously, he isn't doing anyone any favors by talking these vehicles down, it's not as if they broke down in the real world,
just because he says they would in his videos.
People watch RedEffect to get information on tank models.
People watch Lazerpig to get their NAFO talking points repeated back to them at nauseum.
Not really, i watch RedEffects for more objective takes, meanwhile I watch LP cause his videos are entertaining as hell
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726Damn bro didn't knew propaganda was entertaining
@@hansgulayev7320 Well, his videos are way better edited and have much more personality then Reds, like, you can her It in their voices as well, one being extremely flat and the other constantly changing and outgoing
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726 I'd rather have dry and factual than entertaining bullshit.
@@pakkazull8370 Depends on how much bullshiting is going on, the only video where LP does a lot of that were the once related to the T-14, the rest are fine from what I looked up in their sources
LazerPig sounds like a child whose favorite superhero was insulted here. His arguments are so emotional, and his facts are shallow at best, rooted in seemingly nothing in terms of actual data. I think if he goes on from this response, the best course of action will be to just let him be angry by himself, as this dispute is clearly going nowhere.
Or whose ancestors got eaten by ww2 Russians!😂
Lazerpig got Severe Emotional Damage by Red's video
@@saucyinnit8799He needs to drink less
It seems your favourite superhero the T-14 and Red Effect got insulted - look at all the personal attacks against LP and pure copium.
That’s all the evidence you need. Meanwhile I’m sure LP is laughing at all the _triggered vatniks_ 😂
He's a manipulative liar and he knows it. No more giving him the benefit of the doubt, he's just a scoundrel.
I'm a former NATO tanker, and as such I don't really watch many tank videos on here as it usually comes down to tank nerds talking endlessly about things that make little to no difference in practice. However, I've been watching your channel recently as I love the passion and detailed research that you obviously do when it comes to Russian and Soviet hardware, which I was always curious about. I find your concise details and professional attitude refreshing, along with the fact that you actually talk to real tankers. LazerPig, on the other hand, is like the tank nerd community's embodiment of the typical Redditor who has never done an actual day's worth of hard work, let alone actually used any of the equipment that he talks about. Keep doing what you're doing and don't let yourself get sucked into a pointless debate with him, you're easily a step above most other tank nerds and have nothing to prove, which is evident in your professional attitude. When one side is automatically parroting the claim of "Russian propaganda", that's a surefire sign that they've lost the factual argument and have to go to the emotional response.
Bullshit.
aye
100% true
based
The irony of he accusing others of parroting propaganda while he himself is parroting propaganda.
LazerPig thinks it is wrong to use Russian sources when people talk about Russian tanks. Furthermore, LazerPig thinks using Russian sources = pro Russian propaganda. I don't think there can be any meaningful conversation with LazerPig on the subject of T-14 Armata.
Wasn't one of RedEffect's sources just like...some guy's blog. lol
Then question his sources in a case by case manner. Not label all Russian sources as pro Russian propaganda. @@OryxAU
Well, most of what russians release seems to be mostly fantasy or at least extremely cherry picked.
Using that as a single source should be questionable at the very least.
wrooong@@baronvonlimbourgh1716
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716"Most of Russians release" lol, isnt due to the deception of Western manufacturers of air defense systems, some countries began to purchase Russian missiles, rheinmetall blatantly lies about the armor penetration of their new shells, showing the maximum possible numbers in ideal conditions without showing statistically average results (as well as bullshit about shells that do not explode dynamic protection) All arms manufacturers lie one way or another, clowns who claim that only one side is lying completely ignore the problems of the other side.
That time Lazerpig wrote a deranged comment in The Chieftan's video and after that deleted it and said it was not him. 😂😂
What he say?
what did he write?
Me too wants to know
did he delete it? lol
@@LoisoPondohva he basically calls cheiftan a clout chaser and says hes disapointed that he even mentioned the dispute in the firstplace.
Arjun Saga part 2 is on 😎😎
I hope TH-cam just turns into red, LP and chieftain just saying nothing about a tank that doesn't even exist
@@geesehoward700 if you really think the T14 Armata doesn’t exist then you’re either blind or wilfully ignorant
Was about to say that!😂😂😂
It's funny how much conflict has been generated over a tank model with only ~10 in existence and not used in war despite its producer being involved in one where thousand of tanks are used
Yeah, Lazerpig should talk about the failed Zaporozhye offensive by Elensky
the tank community is a neat one, don't care about the flags, it's all about the hardware.
@@mosseon3456 Abrams vs T-90 fan vs All tanks are beautiful enjoyer
@@u2beuser714 Listen, all I'm saying is that if any tank was turned into a women, they would be incredibly hot.
But the Bob Semple would be the hottest, no contest.
@@TurtleChad1failed ? Like Russian kupiansk offensive?
I think I lost a good bit of respect for Lazer after he refused to cite sources for his claims in his response video. I then lost the rest after I saw him going after the chieftain after he mildly critiqued lazer for being unprofessional. He has a very fragile ego and can't stand up to any professional critique even if it's from a peer he admires. Sorry he dragged you through the mud Red, but you've gained a new subscriber throughout all this.
I know it sounds weird but this video is kind of wholesome. Not escalating something, talking calm and with reason and not shouting out insults... if we could all just take a step sometimes and acknowledge facts and reason, we would have a much greater time.
NahI like the shouting of insults. Especially at some butt hurt soviet raape army apologist
Man ain't wrong
Tbh, Lazerpig just sounds like someone who wants to be right, and not someone trying to find the truth. And the truth doesn't care what you support or your ideologies. He sounds like he just want to be right against Cone and Redeffect (which I have no idea why if you're simply trying to be an informative guy). I feel like this is more of an ego thing and unwilling to be wrong (which is very childish and immature). I'd understand if he's like 14 years old, but a grown ass adult?
@@etzwei7994 I see it the same, Lazerpig doesn't try to find the truth. He won't admit mistakes and instead just wants to get validation from his community.
just because redeffect at least tries to be neutral while this pig thing is probably yankie "hooraa patriot". so obviously he will be more biased
LP's video response was very emotional and knee-jerk in its nature, and tries to kinda smear Red to give himself some room from criticism
He says he doesn’t care but his actions contradict his statements, he clearly does take it personally lol
Oh so his primary source wasn’t a Russian blog then?
That's all his videos.
Tbh the only person who, before lazers response deserved it was cone, red was, as always very respectful.
@@artnull13
Russian blogs are markedly more accurate than Raytheon sales pitches or whatever nonsense they're cooking up over at the Institute for the Study of Cope lol 😄
Why was Lazerpig so disrespectful the entire time, like genuinely making insulting noises and taking no responsibility for his actual mistakes, purposefully being manipulative to paint himself better, it's the kind of argument tactic children use. Ignore what he can't defend like it isn't there, hyperfocus on points he can defend but still be manipulative with them and making fun of the response by making noises and lying 😭
(Please stop arguing in the replies, you can't defend Lazerpig being mean and gaslighting while red was only nice)
He’s a sodomite and a lolcow. That’s the only explanation required.
Because he's british
@@ShopeeMarketteam I'm British, were mean in a sarcastic way, this guy is just a prick. But yeah you're probably right actually 😂
Because he is exactly that type of a person.
its hard being a nato-fanboy these days...
19:40 it’s funny how lazerpig talked about he power to weight ratio of the tanks but completely ignored the power to weight ratio of the engines themselves.
lzerpg is best he got a challanger in his heart and redeffect and cone living rent free in his hollow skull
Once in the tank that really no longer matters though. Once mounted to the tank the mass of the tank and engine becomes one.
A lighter engine at that point only enables more other stuff to be mounted to the tank for the same total weight. Which is obviously an advantage, but the power to weight ratio of the engine itself no longer matters.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716power to weight ratio is important when on an incline. that's why India likes to use t 90 in the mountains Himalaya
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa sure, but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank.
A tank is designed towards a certain weight. 50 tonnes for example.
If the engine weighs 5 tonnes the rest of the tank can weigh 45 tonnes.
But if the engine weighs 1 tonne, designers simply can put on 4 additional tonnes of armor or other equipment to the tank, bringing it to the same 50 tonnes and thus the same power to weight ratio..
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716
"but once you mount a tank to an engine the power to weight ratio of the engine no longer matters for the performance of the tank."
Bad choice of words here for one simple reason: The heavier and poorer the power to weight ratio the more armor/defensive measures are sacrificed to fit the engine in. Conversely if the engine is very powerful for its tonnage range you can get away with more protection, protection measures and offensive systems. It's why the bradley's a bit arse in the offensive area while not being more durable than a BMP-3 or BMD-4 while those can mount equivalent weapons and slap a 100 mm on top.
Lazerpig sounds like a random dude who just found out about tanks and decided to treat them like cars
I heard that he is in the British military, no wonder the British army is going downhill with people like this guy in it.
@@tiagomonteiro130Given how he behaves, I’d straight up accuse him of Stolen Valor. I know a few vets, all of American, but none of them would ever act like him.
@@tiagomonteiro130 I'm pretty sure it has been demonstrated he isn't and was never in any military, but did hold a desk job for a military contractor as a junior analyst. The thread with proof is euther deleted or privated sadly.
@@LoisoPondohva Yeah, I remember something like that as well
@@tiagomonteiro130 dont be to suprised know of a guy in the us military that thinks its not a warcrime to shot people that are unable to fight back
I think a tank engine history video would be really interesting to see, its certainly not something that is covered very often that's for sure. How long such a video would be with all of the variants/upgrades is something else. I would be intrigued to know what the difference is between a super charger and a turbo charger on a tank engine? In simplistic terms at least, since I am certainly no engineer by any regards. Keep up your great work on your videos as I really appreciate them and the effort that you put into them as well.
Turbo charger works with air that comes from moving (its round with a fan in the middle that spins from the air and creates power). A super charger takes power from the engine not the air. I think thats the difference ( its the same.about cars). If you want more information i suggest you wacht a video😅
Yes it would be a long video, and kind of boring. But I have gathered a lot of information about them while doing research for this video that I can make such video, if enough people request it.
Turbocharger uses the energy from the exhaust to power itself, while supercharger uses mechanical parts of the engine (like spinning of the crankshaft). That is why V-92S2F (turbocharged) has two large pipes on each side of the engine.
@@RedEffectChannel Your better then lazerham
@@RedEffectChannel well since you already did the research...
@@RedEffectChannelI'd love to see a video on the V2's history. As well as other tank engines. Engines are often overlooked in tanks and unrightfully so.
You handle this much more elegantly than he did.
Who cares? Drama is fun . TH-cam is for entertainment and not a football game with rules
@@TKUA11 Who cares? @socialnetworking4782 cares.. "Who cares?" pretty sure you don't care so what was the point of commenting?
@@TKUA11
You are either a woman, or a sodomite. My guess is sodomite.
@@TKUA11 in addition to my caring, i would say TH-cam is for a lot of things, fun being just one of them.
Granted, a child’s tantrum is probably more elegant than LP’s. So it’s not really a high bar.
German here. I always enjoy your content to get a clear picture. As far as I can tell, I don't watch your videos for political stuff. I'm here because you analyze things with data. Thumbs up for the quality of your content. You are actually the only one I subscribed to the notifications.
I enjoy the fact that Red Effect, contrary to Lazerpig remains neutral and professional despite the politics. Lazerpig simply bashes the T14 because it is Russian. Even the Nazis in WW2 were more serious and took their enemy seriously instead of bashing their technology and tactics.
@@SangiinKherem i think its to do with the disconnect that the internet has with everyone. its easy to bash all russian tanks when youre not on the receiving end of a 125mm.
@@SangiinKherem LazerPig is a textbook example American...
@@vanjamenadzer He is actually British not American
@@SangiinKheremhe‘s Scottish
I like the way red effect manages the situation. He is respectful towards laser pig and addresses the remarks given to him in a detailed manner without unnecessary sarcasm.
Laser Pig was a good channel for me until his recent few vids, his T-34/Tiger vids were excellent, but now he seems to worry more about clout and views by doing totally unnecessary hot takes and being overly aggressive. His new vids like the T14 and Michael Wittmann vid are total garbage in comparison to his old stuff.
@Mister-Mingsays the fatass LP himself.
@Mister-Mingto be fair Everything thats not to your Liking is western propaganda and a nato supporter. So saying they do it to is kinda hypocratic
@Mister-Mingnice pfp, that is exactly the picture I’d expect from a tankie.
@Mister-Minghis original Moskva video had him taking a moment to remind that real people went down with the ship, people who might've not had a choice. It was a good touch
The most frustrating part of this whole situation is the fact that even in Laser pigs second response he is still talking down to Red like he is a pro Russian propagandist who is trying to cover up all the flaws with Russian equipment and claim they are the best. Anyone who watches any of red's videos about modern Russian tanks will know that every single one has a pathetically slow reverse speed compared to almost all western tanks, and that this is a major weakness because the tank has to turn around when fleeing artillery or other danger and expose the weakest point of its armor EVERY TIME. He even showed a video of a t90 m trying to reverse to escape an artillery barrage, go about walking speed, then give up and turn around to flee. He's also showed some of the first footage of the interior of a new production t90 m that confirmed that even the most capable tank they field has one reverse gear, meaning Russia has no tank models in service right now that don't have that weakness. I didn't know any of that, but i got 100% of that information FROM REDEFFECT. If he's a propagandist then he's absolutely terrible because he put out the most easy to understand information proving that a tank has a massive weakness, how severe that weakness is, and even showed footage of that weakness in action.
HOW IS IT PROPAGANDA IF YOU'RE POINTING OUT DANGEROUSLY SIMPLE FLAWS TO EXPLOIT ABOUT YOUR OWN TANKS???
Lazeroig is acting like Red is defending the honor of the T14 and all Russian tanks with bad information and faulty Logic, but it was bad information and faulty logic that got Red to make the response video in the first place. Red didn't respond to the T14 video because he has a vested interest in how the tank is viewed by the public, he did the response video because the information and logic Lazerpig used was mostly pretty flawed. There are enough problems to laugh at the T14 for already.
I've watched both channels for years, but Lazerpig is completely out of line here. He's fallen back on belittling red's intellectual integrity and created a strawman of red being a blindly pro Russia shill because he doesn't know how to take the loss and admit some parts were a mistake. He constantly claimed red overlooked or didn't understand things that, if he actually watched his other videos, you would know that he absolutely did understand.
It's extremely disappointing to find out this this is how Lazerpig handles mistakes, he takes the massive influence of his pro Ukrainian audience and tries to sic it on someone by accusing him of being a propagandist. Fortunately red and Lazerpig should have considerable audience overlay (both being largely military vehicle channels) and anyone who watches both will immediately see that Lazerpig is out of his depth here and know that red is critical of any tank he finds issues with, so not blindly pro anything. I don't get the feeling that much of Lazerpigs audience is going to keep backing him on this, and with 2 response videos on either side I feel like a lot of people will be curious enough to see what red is about too, so maybe the silver lining in all this is Red getting a bunch of tank enthusiasts coming to his channel, sort of a consolation prize he gets even if Lazerpig refuses to leave it be. Hopefully this can be the end because at this point Lazerpig is just trying to save face and he's starting to go from being a Pig 🐖 to just looking like an Ass🫏
Alright students turn in your essay
Well said
Bro I ain’t reading all of this 😭
In retrospect it should have been kinda telling that LP and the other TH-camrs he hangs out with like Animarchy only really seemed to engage with low hanging fruit like Gonzalo Lira - that whole debate really exaggerated his image by conveniently having the pig laugh at a failed sex tourist on stream. But seeing him attack people and calling them propagandists even though they're only trying to correct his mistakes - especially because they do have an effect on his audience - is really fucking concerning.
It's a shame he's becoming the arrogant, toxic e-celeb of the military enthusiast community because he definitely had a lot going for him - especially with being a somewhat liberal guy that was absolutely willing to talk shit about the Soviets instead of blindly praising them or downplaying their mistakes by pointing out American mistakes.
As a russian I'm actually wish that our propaganda be like that lol. Goverment-funded people are just so stupid.
"Soviet sources = unreliable" argument gets me every time...
Yeah, God forbid we look at the actual user manuals from the manufacturers to gauge capabilities OMG COMMIE PAPER
@@robcanisto8635 As if parameters given by western weapon manufacturers (they make money by selling as much weapons as possible) were more trustworthy and not over exaggerate.
Well I’d say relying on a Russian blog as your source of information is probably unreliable.
@@dawedws well yes actually, there is this thing called a law suit. Theres this thing called fraud. The soviets, as we know, would constaly fake things like this; ever heard of Chernobyl?
@@dawedws Except that Western sources don't give up similar information...
The fact that LazerPig doesn't list his sources because a viewer wouldn't "go through the same trouble and work" is just laughable. What kind of argument is that?
I wrote a very extensive comment on his A-10 videos because they either don't list sources, are blatantly wrong or completly misinterpret and/or misrepresent facts from these sources. The fact anyone takes that guy seriously is just absurd and everytime he makes a video he empowers the worst kind of people to parrot his comments on every decent discussion.
The A-10 does suck and his sources are in the description
@@Goober762 The A-10 sucks in every single way. Its a dirty stain on the american air force.
@@MrhungernIt is definitely hated by the airforce. They would call it a dirty stain. However it seems to be loved by ground forces. You know the ones that its actually supposed to support as a CAS platform. Maybe ground forces don't matter to people who fly.
For example it did roughly 30% of all the sorties during Iraq.
Source: Magunson Stew, "Fight to Keep A-10 Warthog in Air Force Inventory Reaches End Game " National Defense, Vol. 98, No. 718 (Sept. 2013), pp. 41-43
@@Goober762Missed out the part of the post that said Lazerpig misinterpreted his own sources?
@@robincray116 missed the part where the A-10 has killed more friendly units that all of airforce aircraft combined
The Lazerpig redditor meets an actual engineering documentation the TH-cam saga
Whod win
Some NAFO fan who is UNIRONICALLY FUNDED BY UKRAINE'S GOVERNMENT
Or
Some Eastern European dude
On your Dreams clown 🤡🤡
Lmao
i feel lazerpig couldnt tell any two engines apart if he has no docs to go with. he seems like he doesnt have any clue about engineering, at all.
@@simonschneider5913 big shocker
I fucking love Red Effect, the fact that he owns tank manuals says a lot on his reliability. The fact that Lazerpig thinks that all soviet sources are unreliable just shows how biased he is.
Typical Indoctrinated and Capitalist Idealogical Response of Lazerpig when you ask me. Even saying one think like " Peace and than preaping for war in the back like USA whit China right now" You can not trust the West and for that all people in it becouse they are Investet in it.
Yeah but if the manuals are in Russian they're automatically bad right?
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 yeah you can't trust the people at all who actually designed and built the vehicles.
@@nagantm441 Obviously not. They have to be verified by NATO first.
Soviet sources ARE unreliable. They are REQUIRED to lie.
T14's first kill is LazerPig's career.
No it's not.
@@CorruptedSpiderkinda is since he’s revealed him self as a bit of a shit bloke that looks down on anyone with opposing views then plays the victim when he’s wrong
@@CorruptedSpiderlazer pig will kill his own career by being lazer pig. He’s the worst historical/military channel on TH-cam, worst researched, worst quality of content, most biased.
@@Bleh426 Yeah idiotic, actually cloutchase-driven mindset right there, LP fanboys are fools that cloak themselves in smug superiority just because they don't come from Russia.
🤣
It seems lazerpig is high on himself. Keep up the good work Red
lazerpig uses too much weed when making videos
@@carkawalakhatulistiwa lazerpig is just your classic westoid
He also loves men so no surprises there
LP has some funds from the government
@@TurtleChad1 that doesn't have anything to do with this actually
I truly think leazer peg has zero idea about tanks and just winging it
We need to take it to the war thunder forums for someone to leak the files,
@@pabcu2507 bruh 🤣
As I keep saying he is an entertainer, just from the style of presentation alone should make this evident, but apparently he and his friends don't think such
@@Fulcrum-Editshey, it happened before with China and America, let’s do it to Russia!
@@pabcu2507 sure 🤣🤣
Lazerpig isn't someone to be taken seriously. He is so deep into his own sides propaganda that he freaks out when anyone with a non-Western accent dares speak.
liberal style of racism is very very weird.
@@maxfaberg128this kind of racism is really quite strange isn’t it. I find that kind as well as the really rather creepy “I love my people we are the best my race must be increased in number so have lots of (x) children” rather distasteful. I don’t have any problems with the other kind the “ I just really hate black people just can’t stand them” or the “I think we need to genocide the people of Scandinavia” or the “people not of the primary demographic of this contrary should not be allowed to move here as they are usually not compatible” that latter sort of racism is find in my opinion.
Also chances of that post not being removed by TH-cam’s shadow banning nonsense is like 50/50 imo
His fan base is now a cult. I politely asked on a Reddit thread if he could just cite his sources and I got downvoted into oblivion.
That's a reach and disengenous. There's a lot of misinformation out there, and the Russian government being what it is, it's very reasonable to discount some Russian sources.
Red Effect has been the most neutral source for Armored vehicles in Ukraine that I've seen so far in the war in Ukraine.
Yup, the only one who is as neutral as he is Perun
Agreed.
then yall are not looking hard enough for credible sources lmao if red effect is the best yall have
@@peterangelov1174 lol wat
@@peterangelov1174 pro what? This guy love Western tank af.
i like how lazer pig accuses red of making russian propaganda while he himself is a full blown western propaganda channel
-who uses Russian sources.
I don't think he accused him of making propaganda. He accused him of taking Russian propaganda at face value and using that to evaluate equipment. Which is what a lot of this comments section does when they coom over Russian tanks. (Someone literally cited Russian milbloggers in one of the top comments of a previous video)
@@Scyborg832 And most of LazerPig's sources are Russian sources. If you watched Red's video, you would know.
@@definitelyfrank9341 I watched the video. But clearly you didn't watch LPs video to know how he implemented those sources. Using Russian sources as a baseline isn't the issue, it's taking them at face value. LP used it as a way to bash the INTENDED design of the tank, and he used the sources like video (seeing the inside of the tank and how the touchscreens didn't work for example) and writings that propagate the intended quality of the tank and demonstrating how even those are outdated by western standards. Unless you want to tell me that the T14 is better than the Russian sources claim? Using Russian sources isn't the issue, it's how you use them. Saying LP and Reds use of them are equal isn't an accurate assessment.
@@Scyborg832The origin of the myth that T-14 uses a 'Russian copy of the Sla 16' for an engine came from Russian bloggers. He takes this at face value, and only because it can serve as more anti-Russian ammunition. The propaganda campaign created by NAFO bots.
He also cites a Russian source bringing up problems problems with T-14's engine. He takes everything from there at face value.
What happened to the "You're a stupid Russian propaganda-bot if you take anything said by the Russians at face value! 🤬😡😡" standard set by LP in his response video? Or does that only come into play when it isn't affirming the beliefs of a NAFO-bot?
Hey, thank you very much for actually including diagrams and animations, so the engineering terms gain meaning.
The fact that you remained calm and composed throughout speaks to your professionalism, after what seems to amount to outright slander against there’s no way I wouldn’t retaliate.
It wasn't slander, he said that RE had a very confusing video that was worded in such a way, that it was like RE was trying to confuse people.
The comments under LP's videos involved people who saw the video and they said that it felt like corporate speak or was deliberately as boring as possible, so that we wouldn't be able to concentrate or understand what was being said.
The fact this second video is like 4 times clearer than the last one, proves that RE was definitely unclear and confusing in this first video.
@@Seth9809
What gaslighting BS is this comment? Or is LPs audience just 5 IQ on average?
@@Seth9809 lp is twisting the truth pretty hard, and hes clueless about engineering.
...this isnt maxmuds-level of discussion here my friend. this is about the real world.
@@Seth9809how tf were you confuzed about RE's original video i think it wad pretty straight forward and simple to follow. Its not his fault some people have limited atention spans.
@@Seth9809 How can you honestly say that you can't concentrate on a professionally made video on a technical topic and still expect anyone to take yourself seriously? Your argument is literally "I am too stupid to understand what's being said".
The only reason I watch your reply/response videos is that I like the fact that you point your work all towards erasing myths that roam the audience.
11:58 that’s really a moot point because most engines nowadays can literally trace their lineages directly to late 20th century designs. That’s literally how engine designs work. It’s always been easier to build off of an existing design than a complete redesign every time you’re releasing a new engine.
There’s so much differences between the V2 engine on the T34 and the T14 that saying they’re the same is just like saying the MTU engine on a leopard is just a diesel version of the Maybach v12 on a tiger.
This is definitely a good response, I am delighted to see it. Lazerpig has been dragging you through the mud for pointing out his mistakes; he really didn't deserve to be left alone after his last video.
Well Said. ... I agree 👍
Lazer's smugness makes his videos unwatchable. Making a mistake is fine, but he cannot seem to just accept his mistake and move on without trying to drag Red under the bus with him, or misrepresent Red's correction all together.
What else can you expect from a degenerate and a Nazi lover?
Could say the same about Red.
@@baxykilafsh1313 where was he smug
@icantthinkofaname4265 where was Lasser smug? I've watched both and can comfortably say neither were.
You can go to his debate with Gonzalo, and enjoy the part where he completely fails to understand the difference between production capacity, and held reserves. You can also witness his absolute dismissiveness of anything Russian. The only good part of the tank is the engine which was the one from the German Russian ammunition is outdated Russha Armor is terrible Russian current comp talking competition Russian sources can’t be trusted and so on.
Another red effect classic
Classic red effect W
It is indeed a W, Lp(Capital L is intentional) wants to continue and now become the coneofarc and toss out insults.. we shut him up :D
And that comes from Saint Javelin lmao
@@flanfre_skarlett I'm hungry the T-72's aren't filling enough :(
Surprisingly nice response to someone who spends half his video slandering you
I don't seem to recall any slander in LP's video. I recall it being quite the opposite
@@absolutelyscrumptious7552You don’t recall it well then.
@mystictomato9466 I can recall it so well, I went through the entire video again to confirm it and I can confidently say there is no slander against Red Effect in his entire video. Try again
@@absolutelyscrumptious7552 How about you try again with your rewatch of his video? He called Red Effect a Russian propagandist multiple times, he also name called him with multiple different debating insults. And after all that he lied about RedEffect for attacking him personally (which RedEffect didn’t do) and not addressing his points and instead attacking him for things that he was right about (indirectly calling him a liar). So tell me again, LazerPig did not slander RedEffect? I don’t know if you are a LazerPig fan but this is the average mentality of a LazerPig’s fan.
@mystictomato9466 I'm not entirely sure what you think slandering is, bit calling someone a propagandist for a specific country isn't slander. And even if it were, it wouldn't be slander, especially when it's a known fact that Red Effect is known to use Russian Propoganda for his arguments and such, which LP points out.
Sorry that you've been having to try to "reason" with LazerPig. 95% of his appearance of being knowledgable is from him blustering about how others are wrong.
He uses a couple of basic fallacious techniques.
1. Gishgallop. Rather than develop anything strongly, instead such a sends a tide of weak arguments in a numerically strong wave very few people will have the time or resources to counter properly.
2. Appeal to popularity. Russia bashing is extremely popular in the English speaking world, so guess what he does. This plays into the confirmation biases of people who have been heavily conditioned by their own media, and press to believe anything bad to hear about Russia since their births.
3. Motte And Bailey Argument. Makes a big argument with his surface semantics the Motte, but then retreat and pretender his argument was much smaller and more reasonable when attacked, the Bailey. Basically, he likes to talk a big aggressive game when he’s on the attack and then act like he’s actually very reasonable when confronted, and why are you attacking him? He’s not saying anything all that controversial or unreasonable!
4. Pepe The Frog Fallacy. This ties into number three and it’s based on an Alt Right debate tactic (figures a Nazi lover would do this) where, when losing claim he is not really a series debater but just a Memer or a hobbyist or a comedian, and therefore it’s not fair to attack him it’s all just a joke. Only his output and presentation is not comedic, and it’s clearly meant to be serious and persuasive.
@Mortablunt I'm going to have to remember those fallacy names. People who use them drive me nuts.
@@Mortablunt Pepe the Frog became a dogwhistle for nazi and facists.
@@Mortablunt Sorry what, it hasn't popular to bash Russia. I dunno where you got your information but I don't know anyone in my entire life even in the media who consistently bashed Russia. Pretty much considered an equal up until the invasion. If you mean banter then...well sure it's banter, but overall Americans...just don't really care that much man.
@@lihangsu249imagine being so stupid and believing the nonsense that blessed and based Pepe 🐸(PBUH, the Prophet of the One true God K3K) was a dogwhkstle for muh aLt-rIgHt and nAhZeEz and not stupid normies and. Leftists.
Oh wait, you and Mortadella are that dumb.
LP fans trying to shoot this down is wild.
where?
@@xAlexTobiasxBhis subreddit
@@MuhammadAli-255sounds like a wonderful place /s
you absolutely nailed it red, truly one of THE best tank tubers out there. And going out of your way to talk with real tankers engineers, etc. is just awesome dude.
IT WOULD be awesome if Russia wasn't to scared to use it, maybe it might be good to cut down trees like the famous video of the "Terminator" tank.
@@jaibusby673the T14 is more of a testbed for the turretless tec and the new armament/ammo. They might use it but i doubt it, not just because it would be dragged across the western media if it gets knocked out by something the tanks capabilities have no influence on, like mines or artillery but there is also nothing in ukraine their current tanks can't deal with, including the western armor that has export grade downgraded composite protection anyway.
@@DerDrecksack87Only abrams is downgraded
@@Asofe17 the Abrams doesn't get the DU armor, Leopard 2A 4-6 get export armor variants not the Bundeswehr one, basically the same turkey got with their Leos (i think germans use version numbers) and the Challenger 2s dont get the most moder chobham armor as far as i know, they all get composite inserts more representative of the early 1980s, but there is a lot of info floating around and i guess nobody knows for sure, except with the Abrams where they 100% get the same export variant Iraq got, maybe with different fire controls but not sure.
@@jaibusby673
We can say the same for the Abrams, you do not have to be forward to one side, just be fair.┐(￣ヘ￣)┌
A lot of people here want to see them talk it out but I honestly don’t really see that as an option. Lazerpig’s response video was mainly ad hominem attacks in an attempt to ruin red’s reputation. This came out of nowhere and as red mentioned lazerpig seemed nice when he communicated with him. Lazerpig burned any bridges and potential options for a open discussion. His recent shitpost really came off as an attempt to draw away attention from the new videos from cone and red. Lazerpig is trying to de-escalate everything because it’ll be really hard for him to win a actual debate now if one happened.
You pretty much nailed it. His latest video is an attempt to distract and deflect from an actual discussion. Lazerpig probably realized he was getting pounded by 2 well know war historian channels at once and is trying to change the subject with silliness.
Yeah yeah, you're right. Bye the way, where is the T14. It's been 9 years almost 10, and no T14.
@@TheBigExclusive3 if you count the Chieftain. Also he had a comment under that video seething about the Chieftain getting involved and not siding with him. The comment was subsequently deleted by TH-cam according to the Pig.
@@713Tankbuster probably economic issues mixed with bureaucracy. The Russian federation has a lot of problems and the current sanctions aren’t helping them. Similar thing with the Ak-12 where it took way longer than expected to produce in numbers. They have produced a number of these tanks however production likely hasn’t been streamlined and it will take some time for large numbers to appear. I’m not gonna pretend that the current Russian government is great or super efficient because it really isn’t. However the current war is forcing the country to iron out a lot of its issues and I expect we’ll see something happen in the near future.
@@oliverpasztor788 To be fair, LazerPig apologized for his comment on the Chieftain's video, saying he was drunk when he posted it.
I think we all knew this video was coming, and I am not disappointed.
Yep, Lazerpigs video felt like It was not really done objectively, or he was just drunk on It, he proclaimed that on several other videos after all, not that he was drunk specifically on that video, but in videos in general
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726 Even as a man who is bordering on being an unironic alcoholic, I cannot understand making a serious reply video while under the influence. Surely, someone with less of a problem than me can exercise at least enough patience and restraint to be sober for just a couple of hours for recording before hitting the bottle and handing the editing to someone else.
I'm honestly disappointed by the way LazerPig reacted to this video as well.
He might be a "historian", but he is also an absolute manchild. As someone who used to respect both channels, he finally lost that last bit of respect.
I would not ever call him a "historian"
@@kiankier7330 he kind of is.
I watched his response in full. It wasn't just ad hominem attacks, but had actual criticism about
RedEffect's video. He even mentions the fact that he respected RedEffect and wanted to make an in-depth video with him about the T-14
if a “historian” is someone that refuses to cite his sources, i too am a historian. source? myself.😎
LazerPig is not a "historian". He is a bigoted Russophobe and a smearmerchant.
@@tristanrouse6150calling him historian is insult to real historian. not only he denial and bias, he also partner with a real government propaganda channel, making him a certain if not true propaganda channel.
Ne daj na sebe brate samo nastavi s odličnim sadržajem
Zdravim bratře Slováku.
To je Chorvátsky 😆
@@yetamm Brate moj to ti je srpski
Red Effect je Srbin RAAAAHHHHH🦅🦅🦅🦅
@@a.m.5581 Ma ne ovo je bosanski
LP's last video “drama war" Just shows that he's the type of guy like
"Arguing with me its pointless, I knew I was wrong 10 minutes ago, I'm just just trying to piss you off now"
he realised he was wrong, now he tries to downplay everything when it backfires....
It's like that meme where guy craps his pants, then when everyone is reacting as a normal person would, the guy responds with "normies can't get mu humor"
Seems like you’re more mature on the whole debate. I’ve followed you for a long time and never felt you were biased. After seeing your vids, anytime I see Ru tanks I think how vulnerable they are due to terrible reverse speed and ammo in carousel.
I think if there'd ONE take away lesson Red Effect has taught me, it's that reverse speed is important, and Soviet and Russian designs tend to be slow in that regard.
Lazerpig did seem very emotional in his responses, i just think he did not handle it well.
What do you expect from a openly homosexual man, they behave like women
Exactly. And the framing of the situation by him and his fanbase as just drama is strange. As if these topics aren't open for academic debate. The real drama is lazerpig unable to handle any criticism to his claims.
I think it’s more because of his style of videos and less because of emotions.
I knew Lazerpig was full of shit and all about his ego when he commented on the video The Chieftan/Nicholas Moran made about this drama.
Lazerpigs comment IIRC was basically claiming he'd said he just wanted the drama behind him and to move on, claimed The Chieftan knew that, and claimed he deliberately decided to shittily bring it back up, harming his mental health for easy views, and that the chieftain was shitty and low for it or something.
But considering the Chieftain somehow made a neutral video on what caused the Troubles in Ireland, and was praised by both sides of that conflict for how unbiased he was and how well it easily and correctly summed up everything, I doubt anything Lazerpig claimed in that comment was based on anything more than his own bruised ego and well known narcissistic inability to admit his mistakes or his shitty behavior when challenged or corrected in his videos.
@@pyro1047I was with Pig until that Cheiftain comment. Was completely unprofessional and came off as whiny. Made me rethink it a ton
This reply will almost certainly get lost in the sea of replies, but as someone who is a bit of a Laser Pig fan I thought it be worth to chime in. LP is the one at fault in this drama for starting it, revitalizing it when was fading into his obscurity, not having any sources but lying about it in an academic discussion, plus his overall immaturity regarding the drama. While I cannot say most other LP fans are as critical towards LP's stance as I, don't get into slap fights with them. RedEffect's passivity, plus the Chieftain's clarity won me, an LP fan over. Getting in online fights will just sink you to LP's level.
Honestly it was disappointing from LP to see that type of content. Quoting random people on the internet with no credibility, outright lying and name calling especially RE as a Russian propagandist was a new low
I too was an occasional viewer of LP, but in the T-14 video, there are just too much dishonesty and dollar store propaganda i couldn’t stand it
One thing I got from this whole drama is that from constant support the Pig got too egotistical. He thought of himself as too great and started getting complacent. Hopefully this brings him down a peg and he learns his lesson.
@@kousand9917 I was already receiving GradeAUnderA vibes from this drama. Apologies for the dated reference.
Main thing is, LazerPig was always just only a shitposter, a thing which has more than leaked into the internet by this point instead of staying in it's own mostly separate section, and this in return ended up in being led to it clashing with serious topics grounded in actual realism.
It's such a shame honestly that the Golden Age of the Internet (2010-2015) has ended, otherwise none of this would've happened, and we wouldn't see the vast expansion and over-proliferation of banter culture on the internet.
You didn't deserve this RedEffect. I have great appreciation for the content that you make. Owning actual books and talking to tank crew members in person. Now THAT's dedication right there.
Don't allow any of those cancer culture shits to impede you.
No one’s trying to cancel redeffect for his video but he can have valid criticism held against him just like Lazerpig I think you’ve missed that. Also although Lazerpig adds comedy to his videos it’s for engagements sake not because he’s a shit poster. Ultimately Lazerpig is right though the T14 is a hot pile of wank while red has some goods points to the contrary it still doesn’t disprove that the tank is outdated by modern standards
@@baileypryke3191 The word "cancer" refers to a whole another group of people compared to "cancel". Someone can only toxically insult the other so much in an effort of forced assimilation until the targeted person who's the victim of such trolling can not even tell what banter is anymore, or the thin line that separates it.
We are all fully aware that the Armata was just a product of the Russian oligarchy, but to completely say that it's a "hot pile of wank" is a bit of a stretch.
LazerPig is a comedian shitposter supported and worshipped mostly by a bunch of other political and military shitposters like him for example people from the subreddit NCD and so on, and he's not a professional analyst who owns books and speaks to veteran people, so he should stick to that and not start drama with TH-camr's who's content is vastly different and more serious rather than the type he mostly produces.
The people who support and worship him also think that for some goddamn reason, meme and phonk edits are equivalent to the reality of war and military procurement, which by the way, they aren't.
For example, they believe that my country, in reality raked with internal problems and an inefficient right-winger government ran mostly by anti-abortion grandpa daddies, is a superpower. I'm not making that shit up.
Dozens of misleading news media articles and tabloids as well as further fuel added to the fire by Poland's chief propaganda mouthpiece state news media channel of constant foul-up's and blunders that they're unable to prevent before they happen does not help the situation. They only ever slightly need to see a small military parade and overly-ambitious military acquisitions to be ecstatic about their made-up fanfiction. In reality, the purchases that Poland's government made for it's military were chosen only by politicians, choosing stuff mostly for it's looks and what they think it should do, and the military meanwhile did not even have a say in any of those purchases, all of which were off the shelf.
There was no prolonged negotiation, no planning, and no prior thought put into it before buying. The Right-wingers made those purchases without taking systems of support and exploitation into account. That means a lack of spare parts, maintenance facilities, storage hangars, and overall support and servicing (logically and logistically). Which translates to that if any of those tanks, aircraft and artillery breaks down, have malfunctions or faults, then all of those fancy newly-bought vehicles will just sit and rot away in rusted post-Soviet warehouses. All of what the Ministry of National Defense had spent it's money on away into shit without any prior consideration and preliminary planning was not even tested.
But that's not even the problem, because the core problem lies within the base armed forces, already neglected by the ideologically-directed governments in the past from the 1990's to today.
Soldiers in the professional and the recent voluntary compulsory militaries are mostly being given out obsolete equipment and uniforms from the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's instead of a soldier walking into a supply store and being issued brand newest up-to-date boots and uniforms. Instead you get poor-quality boots which in a short time period wear themselves out to the point of no longer being usable, older webbing kits and backpacks from the 1970's and 1980's a. la Polish People's Army-style well-renown for being tight and uncomfortable, obsolescent quilt jackets that hold in water instead of repelling it, and they don't even issue you brand-new sleeping bags, foldable camping tents, combat knives/bayonets, flashlights, lighters or compasses, because guess what? The military, the government, the Ministry of National Defense and technically the entire military department forces you to buy that stuff all by yourself instead of already issuing it to you, from just pennies-worth of pocket money called "uniform allowance" which wouldn't even be enough to buy all of that stuff instead of properly ensuring the soldier, or like, you know, any real fucking actual human Western-aligned military elsewhere in the entire world, issuing it to the soldier right away once he steps in and arrives to his mechanized infantry unit's headquarters.
The tank is absolutely not outdated lol. I sense a LozerPigster fan here.@@baileypryke3191
@@baileypryke3191 How is Lazerpig right when all the points he made in his video are made up, portrayed wrong, propaganda or just slander againt red effect saying he fell for Russian propaganda lol
Oh, and talking about mechanized infantry, most of which are still driving around and breaking their backs in this depression and suicide-encouraging of a pathetic excuse for a military force with over 1,000 obsolete 1960's-Era coffin BMP-1 IFV's, around 100 of which were already given away to Ukraine, but the problems don't stop there. You would figure that our new modern Patria IFV's would replace all BMP-1's currently used in the Polish Land Forces, but not at all. In fact, most of these are only on disposition for only a few mechanized infantry brigades, and for brand new soldiers and recruits who expect to buy this Right-wing propaganda facade of being issued a brand new MSBS Grot assault rifle, being kitted out like some high-tech operators that you see in most of those propaganda NATO-Warwave videos once they arrive to their respective unit, they will be in for quite a dissapointment.
More on the Patria's though. Poland as a result of introducing extreme budget cuts and continuing to downsize it's military after 1990 under Lech Wałęsa was destined to eventually become mostly a peacekeeping-size and overseas mission-going only military force, buying only some modern and licensed equipment in limited quantities just for the purpose of maintaining this self-image of a "strong and powerful military capable of defending the entire country and fully staying up to it's commitments to NATO" just to send off troops on useless missions and such, and this happened for over a decade. Things got only even worse when the rebranded Communists under the Social Democratic "Democratic Left Alliance" party under Aleksander Kwaśniewski took over in 1995, "legally" ousting Lech Wałęsa's inefficient and even chaotic governments through presidential election, where essentially, the Round Table Agreements of 1989 came back to bite Wałęsa in the ass, who was mostly focused on his self-image of an everyday man instead of practical responsibilities and role of a president. Solidarity, instead of removing Communism completely from power like in most countries and lustrating (purging) Communism from all aspects of Polish life like Jan Olszewski's cabinet wanted to (mind you a very influential individual in Polish politics, he knew the real corrupt shit that was going on and tried his best to fix it, but his cabinet was ultimately removed from power by Wałęsa through a non-Democratic vote of no confidence due to lack of unified support for his goverment), rather decided to make peace with said Communists and allow them to return to power under a new brand after 1989 and then seize total power in 1995.
The SLD party was very corrupt, and especially wanted to take away all funding (military and non-military) for anything it saw as unnecessary and instead funnel it all off towards public spending on useless shit like more trash bins and bus stops. Take the Gawron-class corvette program for example, where just a year after construction for 7 corvettes was approved, the Ministry of National Defense under orders from the corrupt SLD government decided to immediately reduce, defund and then cancel the program altogether and limit construction to just 1 vessel, a single unfinished hull which just sat and rotted in drydock for 14 years and it's costs to fully complete and equip it ballooned due to the lack of funding as the country saw the SLD lose favor out of power after a corruption scandal and the change through 3 subsequent governments: Right-wing in 2005, Liberal in 2010 (or 2007 when Donald Tusk became Prime Minister) and then finally Right-wing again in 2015 who finally, without any knowledge of what clusterfuck went on prior had the audacity to launch and complete this single hull as Poland's ONLY modern pathetic warship.
Since 2005 under the Right-wingers, the Polish military wasn't any better either. Besides some minor acquisitions like the Peace Sky Program in 2006 where the politicians bought around only 48 F-16's and around some 200 AIM-120C AAMRAM missiles without further consideration of further increasing the number of jets, missiles and logistical equipment (the numbers haven't pretty much changed since then), the Polish Armed Forces still mostly remained this perpetual self-fueling cycle of a peacekeeper mission-going, mandatory conscription, depression, suicide, dedovschina, logistical and logical clusterfuck-ridden shithole ideologically-directed and unnoticeably badly influenced by party government leadership without any significant military, procurement, systematic replacement/mass-production of new hardware and so on.
After 2007 and the Smolensk air crash in 2010 where majority of the Right-wingers' most influential government and it's officials ended up dying as a result of the incompetence and sheer training and VIP aviation errors intensified within the entirety of the Polish military in the past few years, and the subsequent vastly neo-Liberal sweeping of the plane crash under the rug and the then politics of reset with Russia that followed, the Polish Armed Forces took an even bigger hit. Much like most of Poland's ideologically-directed party governments throughout the years, the Liberals also had their own opinion about the military, but just as bad is what they wanted to turn Poland into, the effects of which are still affecting us all to this very day, regardless of anybody's political alignment, opinion or which party they preferrably support today.
Immediately after they took power, Donald Tusk swore to make Poland into his own Liberal paradise subject only to the EU's commands from Brussels, he started that in 2010 he boasted that he would reduce and cut all taxes and make life for the middle class and poor much easier, but instead he and his goverrnment changed his views, instantly raised them to the max, introduced a shit-ton of tarrifs, excise and taxes on goods such as diesel oil, alcohol, tobacco, coal, sugar and so on, and eliminated many tax exemptions, a strategy now adopted in recent times by Mateusz Morawiecki, but that's not even more. As a result of the Civic Platform's rise to power, the nepotism and cronyism only grew even more, thus preventing the average Polish citizen middle class, who were mostly already pecking away at little seeds like chickens at this point to even try to live off of something, from even obtaining higher paying jobs, and this was not even further helped by the fact that Donald Tusk and his goverments refused to even raise the monthly lowest average minimum wage per capita or introduce any sort of social welfare programs to help, instead being like "Nah, fuck it. You're having problems? You're on your own, buddy. We won't give a fuck if the riot police SWAT-raids your house one day because you couldn't pay off the family's debt, problems with which were exaggerated further by us and you land in a mental asylum because of us after all we did." In short: the Liberal goverments of Donald Tusk, in a sterotypically corporate move which is much more prevalent nowadays than it was back then, initially promised paradise, only to move away from it and make life in Poland total suffering during his tenure in power.
But more on what they did to the military. In compliance with the Civic Platform's brand-new politics of reset, the Ministry of National Defense, as ordered by Donald Tusk's governments, began dissolving and liquidating several mechanized infantry and tank divisions on the country's Eastern flank, abolishing dozens of military units, offices and postings across the country, which downsized the military even further, and then sent away the leftover equipment from those liquidated military units deemed as "unnecessary" to rot in post Soviet-Era warehouses, including the still relatively-modern Leopard 2 tanks which by the way were received for free from Germany through a peace dividend. This shitshow went on for about quite a while for 5 years until the Right-wingers took power again, when in Late 2014 Donald Tusk left his post of Prime Minister of Poland to instead become President of the European Council in December of 2014, and that was the lucky break for the Right-wingers, now or never to reverse all the damage that he has caused, or so i that's what i initially thought as a kid what the Right-wingers were there for. Boy, i couldn't have been far more wrong. With the perverted National Conservative Right-wing and it's perverted values came it's own problems, from wanting to ban abortion, turn Poland into a Traditionalist Catholic Fascist state similar to Orban's Hungary (as they both were and still are very close autocratic-in common allies), crack down on LGBT rights, drastically ramp up taxes, vastly increase deficit and government spending on rewards for politicians, ruling Right-wing aligned organizations, funding the state news media channel and so on (all of these things combined would end up with Poland spiralling into economic inflation problems before COVID-19 and the Russian Invasion of Ukraine), and so much more problems that i would rather not list here because my comment is already THAT long.
I'm very sorry about my mostly gone-political rambling here, but i couldn't help it and decided to give some wisdom on what has actually happened with Poland in the last few decades, and because i need to make this right.
Main point is: Due to all of those factors that i had mentioned, any attempt at Polish military mobilization under the current governments to meet Russian aggression in the future will be disasterous. So much for this facade and self-image rather than an actual practical military.
You handle Lazerpigs responds from a sober perspective without using comedy elements or being disrespectful like a true academic would. Great video!
LazerPig needs to spend some time examining the functioning of a 10-speed bicycle and think about his top speed argument.
The pre-collaboration Arjun dispute looks like a good-faith garden party by comparison to this.
The very fact that he believed, for even a fraction of a second, that a 4 cylinder engine in a Honda produced the same torque as a 4 ton diesel engine should be all the proof one would ever need that the man is mechanically illiterate.
@@uummmnocoolnames haha and that he keeps arguing after that is even more hilarious. Instant loss of any kind of credibility.
You know you're right when a dude who works with Ukrainian media tells you you're a Russian propagandist for saying Russian tanks are not scrap metal
What’s so ironic about nato propaganda and troglodytes like LP is that pretty much both sides in this conflict are using the same tanks most of the time and once nato tanks showed up nothing changes and loss rates are the same in Ukraine for nato vehicles and Russian vehicles. Neither is better or worse.
@@verstappen9937Both are landmine bait
@@verstappen9937 If that was the case desert storm would have ended differently as well. It's omega dumb to break down something so complex into something that simple. You need close air support, protection from artillery and more but neither ukraine really has in any significant numbers. Not couting the insane minefields even. When you use something that is made for another spec then sure it doesnt work as well. It's like taking a race cars to motocross.
@@saltysalt7339 "desert storm"
Lol.
What about Syria and Yemen ? Dozen of Leopard 2 lost in only 4 hours while having total artillery and air superiority and same in Yemen for Abrams, or Iraq against the islamic state, losing lot of Abrams too.
Bringuing "desert storm" just show you dont understand what you are speaking about. Immobile and entrenched chinese copies of soviet tanks in the iraqi desert with starving and battered iraqi soldiers, who were exhausted by 10 years of war, biggest war of the 20th century after the first and second GM. All of it with no air cover and support, facing the biggest military coalition since WWII (there were more planes flying overthere than there is flying in the US airforce have today).
In other hand, during the Iran Iraq war, T-72 had the upper hand over western tanks. A few T-72 destroyed the bulks of Iranian M-60 and Chieftains.
@@karakarakiri9568 You mean the leo2 that got an rpg to their side? Yea. Big cinema advancing without infantry.
'If the headline is a question, the answer is usually "no".'
That's what people like Lazerpig do. Ignore any valid argument presented and cherry-pick things for your biased narrative since your audience doesn't do their own research anyway.
someone enjoys commie tanks
@@popinmocase and point
@@popinmo
Someone enjoys sodomy. 🥴
russian tanks are ass@@Invizive
@@popinmo comparably, yes
It doesn't make LP less wrong, biased and petty
Him calling you "parroting Russian propaganda" is too rich and funny to me, since he literally calls himself Ukrainian propagandist now and wears it like badge of honor and the nafo shit as well for the reddit audience
I think you just have a broken sarcasm detector, or maybe are on the Autism spectrum. You'd have to follow up with a medical professional on this one though.
Which is funny, because making dumb claims all the time won't help the ukrainian cause in a long term anyway...
@@grzegorzojczyk9396 Ukraine and its advocates have foot in mouth disease to say the least.
Him calling himself a "Ukrainian propagandist" is clearly a joke at the expense of Tankies who call anything and everything anti-Russian (including mild and fair criticisms) "Ukrainian propaganda" (at least in the context of the war).That's why he, Destiny, Digi and anyone else on the "even rounder table" podcast explode into laughter as they say it.
@@Snail_With_a_Shotgun though it doesn't excuse his unwarranted calling of redeffect a vatnik
Im western and a former tanker. I have to side with old red on this one.
Laser pigs brain is a copy of the Porsche tigers engine
laser pigs weight is the same as the porsche tigers engine
That’s insulting to the Porsche tiger, being lumped in together with Lazer Pig. At least the Porsche Tiger can admit they’re a failure
LMAO HAHAHAHA
At this point there is no way you guys arent trolling us even a little bit.
I thought the same with LPs video, It was just not on the same level as the others he does
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726 Or perhaps, this is just LP's true form.
A biased POS, who peddled misinformation.
@@yougonahaveanoratime9726 because he's wrong and a prick
Both RedEffect's response & Cone's popped up exactly the same time 😮
@@sleezerbarb9670yeah I imagine they collabed considering they were both attacked by LP...
27:21 he also cut out the part when you talked about the Ukrainian tank that broke down IN A PARADE
Lazerpig is extremely disingenuous.
This is gonna be one hell of a drama
The piggy gonna get cooked 🐷
Jit gonna get real ☠️
No it ain't. Lazarpig himself said he ain't gonna respond because that's what people want. More fame out of the drama
@@MRtapio5 lazer pig isnt going to respond becuase he knows the community is against him here, no reason to bring more attention to it when you already have a big community that doesnt really care or know about his poor credibility. lazerping appeals to a bigger and more mainstream audience, tank nerds are the minority, considering that LP's response video has more views than the original Red Effect response. LP has been called out big time, and the smart move is to just ignore the critisism and move on with his massive audience.
@@MRtapio5He already has.. several times. Chieftain, community posts,
I cant really blame Lazerpig for saying biased things since if he told the truth, people would stop buying his mercs
Mercs or merch? I'm not familiar with his side hustle. Is that war thunder vernacular?
@@idrathergetaidsthangetwoke9145 merch* whoopsies my keyboard dont always work
Lazerpig is a mercedes salesman?
The more you know...
people buy his merch? LMAO
@@nicholasv.i.d.4416 Apparently, I guess some people just don't have taste.
If he does not list any sources there is no sources.
@angryewokadam5419 💀💀💀💀
It came to me in a dream
"My source is that I made it the fuck up"-maxor
LazerPig is just a dude with a massive ego and can't stand when he's called out lmao
He's a NAFO member lol what do you expect? He hangsout with a bunch of jobless people making memes about Ukraine
Sounds like redeffect as well tbh - making a longer video in response 😂
What a loser.
@@artnull13 It's not bad cuz they're both milking each other effectively by doing a response about a response...
@@HeavenlyMandateNafo triggered you 🤡😂
@@HeavenlyMandatestart joining storm z ?
the difference between your response and lazerpig response is quite vast. I also just appreciate the lack of theatrics, and just straightforward information
Lazer pig, skips over the many... many mistakes made in his original video. Claims that red effect is a person who falls for russian propaganda, calls his fanbase a bunch of vatniks and uses "oh I'm just some internet historian" as an excuse as to why there are so many mistakes and errors in his videos. Just pulls information out of ass and doesn't link all of his sources in the description to prove his claims even more.
I like your way of calmly presenting well researched arguments without any extra drama. So although I haven't been following the conversation that much, I definitely prefer your channel over any other tank youtubers. Good job!
He and the Chieftain are very laid back and well informed
I like how red effect does his best to be unbiased, infact hes helped me look at this whole war slightly differently lazerpig just reinforced my cognitive bias
"well researched" bruh couldn't research anything. That's why he uses Russian sources.
@@DefinitelyNotEmmachieftain is, yes. Red effect just... is sad. It's amusing watching him cope with being wrong.
@@minecraftfox4384-says Redeffect uses Russian sources (he does not, and he shows them too)
-defends Lazerpig, who literally uses Russian blogs and propaganda as his sources which he hides
Go back to Minecraft, nobody wants to hear your nonsense