I know I comment alot, but there are 9 deities in Destiny 2 based off the old greek/roman partheon. the nine are cosmic forces: Arc, Solar, void, stasis, blight, sorrow, light, dark, and power. 5 of them like humanity and 4 do not. the biggest mystery in destiny 2's universe is which of them are the 5 and which are the 4
I honestly felt sorry for her after finding out that she and her whole race was lied to. They didn't know who or what the traveler was when they were younger. They didn't know about the battle of light and dark. They were scared for their lives and they were desperate. It's a sad story the more you stop to think about it.
For me I dont feel pity for her. She did what she thought what would save her race, thats no excuse for all that has been done. Tho there could have been a peaceful path that could have been walk with alot of work and planning. If she really wanted to protect the traveler there was a chance for an olive branch.
@@maximuz_prime1 The difference between Uldren and Savathûn is that Uldren, when resurrected, he wanted to help others. And even now knowing what he did in the past he rejects his former self and strives to be better. However Sav, both when amnesic and when remembering everything, she still went for deceit and steal. Instead of reaching out to us and the Traveler to offer aid, she outright went steal it. That's a huge difference
However you see it, we witness a powerful story about bravery and endurance in the face of annihilation. Those who fall, fall because they hold too tightly onto power and don't use it for anything but conquest. The traveler represents a new way of thinking. It breaks these zero-sum games and allows life to be self-sustaining. Following the winnower, one can only find death and destruction, entropy and silence. It is the old ways, one that cannot introduce anything, but pass it from one shape to another, losing a little at a time every time. As we saw in Drifter's visions, neither should be exclusively puraued, but it is in balance that we find utopia.
I think that the traveller did it for two reasons... one was to reward Savathun for getting rid of the worm at sacrifice of her own life - the second part is to have a strong warrior for when the witness returns. I firmly believe that the Traveller saved Savathuns ghost on purpose so that she can be resurrected when the time is right
I don't think Immaru was created just after Savathuns death to resurrect her. Because your ghost states after you start your first patrol in the throne world that he recognizes Immarus' voice and that his real name isn't Immaru. I think he was apart of the ghosts who worshipped/ felt pity for the Hive, and maybe intended to raise Savathun, or Savathun corrupted a ghost as Osiris, there's too many variables to get a concrete answer.
@@antgonz4436 yea, it did seem pretty convenient that the traveler blinded us just in time to save Immaru, and then the ghost disappeared with it. On top of that, we simply secured Savathun's body, instead of destroying it. Obviously, she has a bigger roll to play down the line.
Or he’s a ghost from when the hive were the krill and they lived on fundament the traveler was with fundament just like it is with earth which means ghosts would have been there and ghosts as they say travel until they find there gaurdians so if the traveler flees when the witness shows and a ghost didn’t find there guardian and left with the traveler could explain why immaru looks the way it does
I think the Traveler picked Savathûn so we could have another person to help us against the Witness in the near future (Probably during Lightfall or something) Edit: I WAS RIGHT (Not in lightfall but in final shape)
The traveler was not doing anyrhing when savathun pulled it into her throne world. It allowed this and didnt do anythig cus it knew the witness and the pyramids could not reach it. But we'll we basically didnt know that and now the traveler is back in the city vulnerable. With everything thats happened I feel like the traveler is gonna ditch us, or get captured or something by the witness cus its had enough of this eternal game of life and death
I also believe Savathun involvement with Uldren and the whole Forsaken lore was just to study how the traveler create the guardians. think about it Uldren was devoted to Mara Ulden was brave enough to do whatever Mara told her Uldren died trying to revive Mara Uldren became a guardian And all of these, was because Savathun manipulation on Riven
What I think is this: The Traveler as we all know is the embodiment of the light, what is the light, the bomb logic, what is the bomb logic, the idea of different races work together. So I think the traveler ultimately works towards the bomb logic, everything it does is in attempt to fulfill that idea. By coming to the Sol system it has in a way achieved that. Look at us, working together with the Cabal to combat the hive, and previously working with the Eliksni to combat the vex (we don't have to talk about the Awoken, they are like a sub species of humans). So on to the topic of Savathun, one of the reasons I think the Traveler may have allowed Savathun to use the light is that it trying to add another race to the human - cabal - eliksni alliance that is building up in Sol right now. Who is is more valuable to add to our alliance then a former servant of the Darkness, someone is familiar with the ways of the darkness. The allies of humanity is the best plan the Traveler has to defeating the darkness, adding the lucent hive to that will only make that plan stronger (probably).
This dlc means a lot to me, Started playing destiny 2 a bit after shadowkeep dropped, logging in to hear that amazing music (it was Savathun’s song without me realizing it), my first strike was Savathun’s Song, I always found the hive the most interesting of the enemies we fight, and finding out the lore and then playing shadowkeep, beyond light, and now witch queen, and learning that Savathun wasn’t the best being but was somewhat a good guy it’s amazing, it made me feel a lot of pity/sympathy for Savathun as she died below the traveler and infront of the last city.
Sav's Song was One of my favorite strikes, actually. It's a shame they had to vault all the red war stuff, especially since its being referenced in Witch Queen.
Imagine if along the way we get Savathûn, Mithrax, and Caiatal each getting a ghost and starting us down the road of having multiple races as guardians, all under one banner to fight the Witness and protect the Traveler.
my own prediction for later down the line in light fall. we could possibly empower our allies, Eliksni, Caball, and as seen this season. Hive. and we all band together and fight off the dark fleet.
Yeah I doubt the dark would ever think all us would come together and fight them as just species of our solar system that want to fight for Thiers. Maybe. Good idea.
I feel like light fall is gonna be an Avengers Infinity War situation in which we take an L and I mean a huge L either the death of multiple major characters or the The Traveler itself gets destroyed and then in the final shape we come back and kick some pyramid ass
I think what’s impressive is that we REALLY DONT KNOW what the Traveler is up to, is thinking, is doing. Mara said before that it’s been a “tug of war between light and dark”, when there’s too much light, darkness comes. When there’s too much dark, light comes. I feel like The Witness would rather it just be completely free of light. He’s done with the game. Maybe this is why the Traveler has moved away from his ‘status quo’ and will enlist all who are defending the light. I think the fact that Imaru started out with a Hive shell speaks to The Light’s intentions with Savathún.
The repercussions of this story change everything we think of destiny so far. How the world and history of destiny could be so different. I won't be surprised if she shows up later this year in 1 of the seasons. I do wonder if in lightfall their tackle you can survive and still use the light without the traveler around. If I remember correctly didn't we get introduced to that female iron lord back in destiny 1. That she came from outside the universe and was still able to use her light powers without the traveler around those universes.
I'm going to guess our Guardian might still can. We regained our powers via a shard of the Traveler (which seemed to be 'drained' after our interaction) even when the Traveler was still locked down, similar to the Darkenss shard in BL which granted us Stasis at first but Eramis destroyed (remember, she frozed our Ghost aswell and said 'no more darkness and no more light' or something like that before we manifested Stasis from 'within'), it might be possible our Light powers come from 'Within' (or our Ghost) rather than from the Traveler after the Red War.... We just have to see what Bungie decides until or if something like that ever happens, gameplay wise is hard to justify removing whole subclasses but in the narrative it could be a powerful tool even if we have already walked that ground before.
@@EatThePath-7 i'd not be surprised if it turns out we, after all this time are our own source, once we gained a power we learned to manifest it on our own, thus becoming both light and dark, wittness and traveler, and idea that could connect in Final Shape
I personally believe that the ghost look like hive because the traveller had already made then when the Krill (Hive) were supposed to get the light at Fundement all the way back when the books of sorrow started... but since they went with the darkness instead the traveller never got the chance to bless the Krill (Hive) thus holding onto then incase the day came when they did become worthy in the Travellers eyes and well... that day came with Savathun denouncing the worms and darkness... so in the Travllers eyes I guess its the Krills (Hives) redemption story... my guess is that he senced the darkness getting closer to earth and Humanity and instead of travelling to find another species worthy like it always does he saw the Krill (Hive) as his new race to bless and went with it because the Hive are always on the move they are not bound to one planet but Instead they have a roaming throne world ship that Travells just like he does so it would be the perfect option... but that's just my opinion... I maybe way off but if I were I betting man this is what I believe has happened ✌
Anyone else thinks Mara Sov is soon to be an antagonist? I mean, even during the worm launcher quest, the savathuns worm kept referring to Mara as the queen of deception and by the looks of it Mara did not seem to completely deny it but instead kept telling the worm to shut up. I mean idk, in the game world my trust on Mara is next to zero
They were chosen a millennia ago, we the human race, just as in our reality are the youngest of sentient species to the sun. Humans think the light is ours but in reality the traveler gave the light to all the species to advance their technology and lifespans so they could accumulate enough knowledge to reach each other and band together to defeat extinction aka darkness.
11:20 If the traveler was originally going to chose the hive them it makes sense that it would already have hive ghosts made, it probably just deployed old hive ghosts it meant to use originally.
at one point during the campaign i remember hearing our ghost says that it recognized immaru's voice but that it didnt knew it by that name, also it said they used to "terrorize" other ghosts
When you do the first patrol mission in the throne world, Immaru calls himself the first ghost and ghost mentions he recognizes the voice and that wasn't his name in the beginning. So he was already out there searching long before Savathun died, but could be one of the ghosts who read the book of sorrow.
There probably dialogue I havnt heard out there but I really think Immaru was created for Sathona when the traveler was going to give the hive the light on fundamnet after they died..but never got to..so when savathun died immaru finally got released for Savathun
I'm thinking the Traveler knows it needs as many allies as possible for the upcoming showdown with the darkness. Savathun and her hive would not be bad allies in that regard
Savathun's ghost, Immaru keeps referring to himself as "first ghost" I believe Immaru was literally the first ghost, and the Hive were meant to be the first Lightbearers, but the Darkness took them instead and the Traveler had been saving Immaru incase the Hive were to turn to the Light, storing him inside of itself
@@Animanatee correct, ghosts weren't created until humanity's collapse. The Traveler gifted other civilizations with light, but that doesn't mean it made ghosts, it made things like the gift mast and other light infused tools to fight the hive as detailed in the books of sorrow. We also know it spent time building up Eliksni but never gave them ghosts.
So the Traveler obviously wants to survive. Civilizations were blessed by the light but humanity was the first to become worthy to be lightbearers. Savathun got rid of her darkness and died to free herself, she showed the traits needed for lightbearers. Savathun’s plan would probably have kept the Traveler safe but it’s considering it’s options, humanity which is using stasis and darkness or the witch queen who has turned its back on darkness. The Traveler seems to be considering it’s options in terms of survival
if we go back to forsaken or even D1, we find that the traveler performed experiments in the garden before time, toying with ways to make new life, and have it always survive. this was to oppose the widower, who would kill the weak life the traveler (gardener) created. This is what's so terrifying, the traveler may view us as a failed experiment, as we turned to the darkness and started to doubt its intentions. The Traveler's experiments in the garden never worked because things would spiral out of order, and the chaos would lead to more death and destruction than usual, this is almost exactly what happened to us. The Traveler meddled in our affairs, brought us initial success but needed to play its final card once the darkness came to correct its interference. then once the Traveler sent the ghosts and the darkness went away, other forces began to invade. More Chaos that prevented the growth of humanity, until eventually we started looking for other means of protection. If the traveler considers us just another failed experiment, but is unable to leave due to its weakened state. Then I don't know if we can trust it.
@@Animanatee there are more lore tabs like the dark future. Where the Traveler has left already. I think it can leave right now if it wanted to. But chaos is a part of life, right now without Savathun I think it’s prepared to go all in on humanity.
I think its simple. The Traveler would have went with whoever could have protected it better. Whether that is Hive or Humans. Humans won out against the Hive so the Traveler stayed with them but when the Witness tampers with a race and they turn from the Traveler, it moves on. The Traveler is hoping to empower a race to defeat the Witness and it hasn't found one yet to do so.
Immaru has referred to himself as the first ghost when running patrols. Could it be he was created for Savona while the traveler was approaching Fundament? This would explain his appearance. Could it be she couldn't be accepted until she Savathun was excised from the worm? This does give an interesting twist on Akilies, and the house of light.
Also in the cutscene, the Worm gods/Deep said these frail siblings will be claimed by the light unless we claim them first. So the Traveler already picked Sathona before she became Savathun.
The worm familiar said that the light would claim the three fragile sisters if the dark did not claim them first. My guess is that Savathûn, was predestined to be chosen by the Traveler, but that couldn’t happen while she had a worm. It also seems that one must die to be reborn in the Light. Sathona would’ve lived a short and uneventful life if not for the interference of the worm gods. She would’ve died naturally and been brought back by the Traveler if her life hadn’t been extended indefinitely through her pact with the worm gods.
I think it would be naive to believe we humans were "special" in being chosen by the traveler. Clearly our purpose as guardians is to protect the life that the traveler cultivated. Regardless of species. Yall remember when Saint said that the eliksni were his people too. I think that was the traveler's intent all along.
The reason why... She has been working against the witness since the beginning. Working loopholes and converted her worm and tricked the witness. The lies that she weaved were likened to a web that were materialized in her throne world that ultimately was there to save the scorn, attempting to save Oryx and now the traveler.
My little theory is that the traveller doesnt actually care about anything other then its self and getting away from the witness and the black fleet, so it travels to all these different home worlds like fundament and the eliksni home world to find suitable beings to wield its power to help protect it, then after all thats done n stuff the traveller will be in its merry way
What the Traveler want? It want to die. Sometime Traveler is referred as an ancient corpse. During the season of the arrival there is a dialogue between Drifter and Emissary where Drifter saw the universe that is too bright and there is a corpse that beg to kill it. Traveler has been crying for help for a long time and now the Witness will answer.
When I saw that cutscenes I felt bad for savathun she never had a choice when it came to the worm and was forced to feed it or die also I think the traveler save savathun ghost and gave the light to the hive because the traveler knows when it comes to the darkness and the witness we are out matched but with other race's with the light hive and maybe fallen or cabel we might have a chance maybe
The leviathan literally tried to warn them multiple times, and they wouldnt listen lol. Screw Savathun and the hive. The fact the traveller even entertains it feels like a betrayal.
@@OrphanCrippler1 I mean I can see why the traveler feeled betrayed when we are using the darkness (stasis) it's like a slap in the face plus the hive were going to be guardian but the darkness say mine now plus savathun was desperate when she die and the traveler saw a chance for more or better protection
@@brianacosta421 What? We used the darkness to protect the traveler. All we do is protect the traveller, and it repays us by giving power to our biggest enemy that literally tried to wipe us out of existence.
@@OrphanCrippler1 that true we do use the darkness to protect the traveler now but when we first got the ability we were give it by the darkness and we use it to learn more of the darkness and the traveler took it personally and thought we might go to the darkness side so the traveler pull a plan b on us out of fear or as some people think the traveler is try to get more races with the light for all of us to work together to fight the darkness because right now we are not ready to fight them but that just a theory I saw for all I know the traveler just weird
I think we're getting this all wrong about the traveler, I don't think it gives a shit about us any more than our ability to protect it, with us being willing to hear the darkness out and use its powers the traveler is looking for whoever is strong enough to protect it, nothing more
I think Ghosts are transmutes. They can dissolve any substance and reconstitute it as it's original form... probably how they may be able to revive us is a trait that is hidden in this power. But it also can help transmuting their shell. For example, our Ghost was white shelled, but now can be many different shapes depending on what their guardian chooses for them. Maybe the Ghost can choose a shell for themselves. Maybe a Ghost realizing it is about to choose a HIVE host to carry with permission from the Traveler, changed their shell to match the occasion. Would stand to reason that each Ghost has their own free will, they all are allowed to don what "clothes" they feel is appropriate.
Maybe when the Traveller was orbiting her homeworld it decided to make Ghosts for her and her people before it fled. Maybe that's why it has that look.
What I’m confused on is why Savathun initially defended the traveler during the collapse. At that point she was still using the Darkness. Was it just that her plot to capture the traveler dates back that far? Also, what is the actual purpose of her plot? Is she capturing the traveler to save it, or is she capturing it to use it to be the sole light-bearer? Was defending the traveler her “selfless” act to make her worthy of the light? It makes sense that she wouldn’t know that the krill were technically already worthy, since they were going to get the light before the darkness got to them. I guess that would mean she’s been trying to get rid of her worm for a long time, before the collapse even. It could be that she wanted to get the travelers trust, remove her worm, and then get the light. I feel like I’m answering myself as I’m typing.
About Immaru, I remember I heard a conversation when I picked a patrol beacon in the Throne World, Immaru speaks, then the guardian's ghost says that he recognizes that voice, he says that he was a rather mean ghost who liked to torment other ghosts, and that back then his name wasn't "Immaru". Who really was Immaru before he chose Savathûn? If he was one of those ghosts who didn't want to choose a human and also dmired the Hive, then does that explain why he was wearing a Hive shell before reviving Savathûn? It's very interesting.
I still like the idea that the traveler isn't this benevolent being, but a judger. It and the Darkness play the game to judge which species can be "worthy". of what? who knows
On this mission where you need to walk through darkness gates and have the lights to get rid of weight of darkness, there is a creature that is sticking their heads out of the water in several places. Not sure if this is going to be a part of something but I found it interesting and it reminded me of the garbage monster in star wars.
@@jickzx right after the first exploding light you can see a head with a red glowing eye just above the water surface. Might need a sniper to see because it disappears before you can get close enough to get a good view.
My current theory is that the traveler knows every one who is worthy upon their death, mainly those who died under its watch, like during the collapse, or those that fought to protect it, and those people are added to something like a memory bank within the traveler. This understanding of worthiness is then relaid into the ghosts subconsciously and they go around searching bodies until one feels right, but the reason the body they choose feels right is because, subconsciously, they’re connected to the travelers “list” of worthy people that died. Maybe Immaru’s form was altered because he was chosen by the traveler to be the one to resurrect Savathun, which falls in line with the exotic lore piece saying they’re malleable. Or maybe instead of knowing he was looking for Savathun, he just knew that was looking for hive now instead of humanity.
@@bendicion2010 A lot of the original lore on it was very suggestive that it happened, or was about to happen. We've seen naturally how FRAGILE the traveler is; which can be assumed why it continues to run from the darkness; it views it as a potentially fatal enemy.
what you said is mostly correct but there's more to add to it, The Traveler has been trying to win against the pyramid-ships for eons the past always leads back to a flower game. they've been trying to change the up come, they didn't have much of an option and she chose what they chose to try and give people Free Will and also bring them on a plan to bring them all in one location eventually to fight back against the pyramid-ships.. what was it most likely got injured and is having to have its final stand here until we know otherwise.
I would’ve helped Savathun cause I think she was in the right. She tried to help the traveler by putting traveler in her safe haven, protecting it from its enemies.
hey i like your stuff but one thing i heard you say about the traveller only reviviing humans............. i thought well crow is awoken cayde was an exo zavala hes an awoken so not just humans get revived
Do a video on Osiris new lore where we writes to us the guardiana saying that he was in with savathun all along, he let her disguise as him because he believed she could help us more than him.
Ikora states the hive was tricked by the witness, what if the traveler had already chosen the hive and that specific ghost had selected savathun but then waited because they were corrupted
I remember last year people thought that the Old Tower was going to come back with the witch Queen. there was even talk that people thought that Zavala was going to die..
Well it’s all about the Ghosts. A Ghost is a literal conduit for the Travelers Light so it doesn’t matter where the guardian is in correlation to the Traveler. The Ghost is still connected with the Traveler. Now from what I understand the Travelers true purpose and goal is to create,grow and expand life so it goes around the universe giving the Light to all creatures and it was going to do the same to the Krill(Hive) before they were tricked by the Witness. But, the Traveler gives its Light through Ghosts and it seems that a Ghost can choose to resurrect whoever they want. Hence why the Ghost Immaru resurrected Savathun. It was the Ghosts choice not the Traveler. But that’s just my understanding of the Lore from Witch Queen. 🤷♂️
I just finished the campaign and my mind was utterly blown. All this time, one of our greatest enemies, the queen of lies, her very existence as Savathun was born from a lie. The Hive were born from a lie….
Without the worm, Savathun was Sathona once again.....a Krill again.....which was the race that the Traveler wanted to gift the light in the first place
What if Immaru was quite literally the first ghost as he suggests himself. Like he was created all the way back when the Traveler was in fundament. But he didn’t get to bond with Savathûn due to the Witness tricking her into embracing the deep. So he basically just waited until Savathûn died, and was granted by the Traveler to resurrect her. This would explain why he already had a Hive shell, and it connects with the hoarfrost’s description of “maybe they were always meant to.”
LORE TALK: So this is wrapping my head just a bit. if anyone remebers in the season of arrivals we went on a pyramid ship and in that shit was a model of a ship with Cabal, Fallen, Humans and hives. We have gotten both Fallen AND Cabal ally's and yet no hive. in the model of it they where all facing the ship like we are ready to fight them. what if giving sabathun the light would help us fight the witness the traveler showing sabathun on why we should join foces
I’m curious to see where she comes back in. We may need her to pull out he traveler into another world (therefore vaulting the cosmodrome and EDZ). It would make sense to me and we may get closer to the darkness to fight other species who wish to wipe us out (witness/ veil) who knows though. The story will make crazy changes forever and I’m excited
Well our Ghost states that he is already familiar with Immaru, Immaru had a bad rep amongst the other Ghosts due to his constant unwarranted bullying to the Younger Ghosts
Everything about Savathuns resurrection raises questions for me. Did she already know it would happen? had she been planning for it? Why did she want the dead ghost shells and Nokris necromancy? If her memory was wiped like all guardians, how did she know who she before we revived her memory? or about her throne world, where it was, her plans for the traveller etc? Did Immaru tell her and if so how did he know? Did she already know about the Witness lies about the god wave BEFORE her memory was guardian wiped? Is that why she betrayed them? Seriously it's an awesome story, I love witch queen but there are some major plot holes that I hope the lore fills in soon.
When coming down to it, I do not believe the Krill were going to be the first lightbearers or even the Eliksni and we've seen how they utilitze the Light for their splicing abilities back in the Season of the Splicer. After all, the Harmony, Ammonite, and various other races that were blessed with the Light were actively given the power of Guardians to utilize it in the same manner. In the Book of Sorrows, it detailed many strange aspects that the Light were used including stabilizing planets within the accertion disk of a black hole and having a jet of light coming out of it. There is even mention of the Ecumene using paracausal weaponry. Heck, we have even seen humanity's Golden Age and there are no mentions of Ghosts whatsoever, no people rising from the dead and utilizing the Light as a weapon and humanity had amazing technology. Looking through the lore, this is a trend when coming to the Traveler. As far as we know, the only true prerequisite we know for a Lightbearer is the ability to utilize the Light as a weapon and, even though Savathun used the Darkness in the form of hive magic, there is not a true distinction between the two paracausal forces. So, the use of the Dark could easily translate that the person could also use the Light. I think the reason why the Traveler gave humanity the Lightbearers is rather simplistic, it was surrounded. The Black Fleet managed to cut off any escape route for the Traveler, as it forward elements are doing now. The Traveler had no choice but do what it could to survive and created Guardians, not only that but it would explain why the Witness hasn't destroyed the Last City yet because the Traveler made a new move and the Witness was testing to see if it could turn that move into its own weapon.
One thing that I find funny is how some people forget that during the collapse the Traveler tried to flee but was damaged by Rasputin which is why it didn't leave and from that the ghosts were made
In season of the lost, crow said that Osiris aka savathun had asked of him to take dead ghosts from the spider any chance he could. maybe savathun resurrected those ghosts with hive magic. which would make sense with their apearance
with the witch queen out and I am kinda lil behind in the campaign as today I just finally got the death bringer and wonder why people are not using it more this season . Campaign with this franchise is a pain cuz I get side tracked w nightfalls, gambit crucible battle grounds etc . Anyhow, I am seeing n hearing many things as I see myself in the new witch queen campaign . From the past to now I feel most of the characters have twists n turns blah blah but with the mystery of Savathuun, the fact Eris morn is not dead yet and the fact she lost her light and ghost and orchestrated the death of Crota and oryx who say she's not the true Savathuun all along as to why she didn't claim the throne when she had the time to ? .Crota and oryx I strongly believe what we have seen or think being dead I feel one of these 2 is alive and I feel it is Crota. most of the throne world reminds me of the Crota raid and the astro striga is the new version to necrochasm .. I can say one thing tho, I am enjoying this new Witch Queen . Something has never set well about Eris Morn all this time she has been around . I don't know but this DLC has me wanting to play D1 al over again and see what he have missed lol seeing we are going back to that time and worlds ? Hmmm
maye the travler scans the universe finds subjects who could be lightbarers heads there while producing ghosts tailerd to the race on rout or produces them after arival in the system (I think the deep moving the moons of fundament was intended to cloak or hide the travler aswell as force desperation on the inhabitants so they seek something to save themselves) then after it has produced the ghost releases them like we witnessed, but in the case of the crill the dark managed to claim them before the ghosts were ready for release. This same pattern has gone on and on till Savathun tricked the wittness along with other factors (the travler taking damage etc) when it was in sol and could not make its escape so was forced to release the ghost it had been tailering for humanity, its possible it will some time soon release ghosts it has in stock for the eliksni, its possible all the hive ghsost we see are ones it has had stored away inside itself for ages.
In my eyes, before savathuns death she let go of her hatred for the Traveller, and she also seems to have mislead the witness during the golden age collapse.
I know this is an older video with many comments but I would like to add that I don’t believe that was a new ghost. In the beggining of Destiny 2 when you start, your ghost talked about the first collapse and that the Traveler gave off a burst of energy to drive the darkness away and in that moment created all the ghosts that exist. There seems to have always been lightbearers but no ghosts to raise them. This made the early lightbearers that attempted to rule over people in the dark ages quite powerful since they can come back. Why would ghosts chose such people?
It’s clear the ghost chose Savathun not the traveler. The shell is the biggest tell for that. Which means this ghost was already aware of what was gonna happen because she told him what would happen. We know Ghosts can choose who they resurrect so the Ghost Imbaru chose to revive her because of the deal she cut. Also we weren’t really Worthy, we were just the only choice. Once Rasputin crippled the traveler it had to create the ghosts to defend itself by making Guardians. The ghosts are just a conduit for paracausality they don’t just allow light to be used but also darkness hence stasis.
I bet people who finished the raid on Saturday will get the hive ghost shell.. if you look under the ghost shells season 16 collection page there is a unknown ghost..
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I know I comment alot, but there are 9 deities in Destiny 2 based off the old greek/roman partheon. the nine are cosmic forces: Arc, Solar, void, stasis, blight, sorrow, light, dark, and power. 5 of them like humanity and 4 do not. the biggest mystery in destiny 2's universe is which of them are the 5 and which are the 4
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I honestly felt sorry for her after finding out that she and her whole race was lied to. They didn't know who or what the traveler was when they were younger. They didn't know about the battle of light and dark. They were scared for their lives and they were desperate. It's a sad story the more you stop to think about it.
For me I dont feel pity for her. She did what she thought what would save her race, thats no excuse for all that has been done. Tho there could have been a peaceful path that could have been walk with alot of work and planning. If she really wanted to protect the traveler there was a chance for an olive branch.
@@zidedeikery7224 same with Uldren wen he was corrupted with darkness but he was chosen by the Traveler
And now… the Darkness says that they are our salvation. I have a feeling that we might get a new subclass in Lightfall, or maybe not.
@@maximuz_prime1 The difference between Uldren and Savathûn is that Uldren, when resurrected, he wanted to help others. And even now knowing what he did in the past he rejects his former self and strives to be better. However Sav, both when amnesic and when remembering everything, she still went for deceit and steal. Instead of reaching out to us and the Traveler to offer aid, she outright went steal it. That's a huge difference
However you see it, we witness a powerful story about bravery and endurance in the face of annihilation. Those who fall, fall because they hold too tightly onto power and don't use it for anything but conquest.
The traveler represents a new way of thinking. It breaks these zero-sum games and allows life to be self-sustaining. Following the winnower, one can only find death and destruction, entropy and silence. It is the old ways, one that cannot introduce anything, but pass it from one shape to another, losing a little at a time every time.
As we saw in Drifter's visions, neither should be exclusively puraued, but it is in balance that we find utopia.
I think that the traveller did it for two reasons... one was to reward Savathun for getting rid of the worm at sacrifice of her own life - the second part is to have a strong warrior for when the witness returns.
I firmly believe that the Traveller saved Savathuns ghost on purpose so that she can be resurrected when the time is right
I bet Sava might choose to side with us in the end against the witness
@@JazzOLantern I second this. And Honestly. I wouldn't mind working along side a Reformed Lucent Brood that just wants to eliminate the Deep
@@stellarsoullgaming8400 well if fynch is anything to go by then I would be down for it myself!
Fynch might become mithrax ghost
@@vikna0257 can ghost switch who they choose as lightbearers?? I didnt think they could do that
I don't think Immaru was created just after Savathuns death to resurrect her. Because your ghost states after you start your first patrol in the throne world that he recognizes Immarus' voice and that his real name isn't Immaru. I think he was apart of the ghosts who worshipped/ felt pity for the Hive, and maybe intended to raise Savathun, or Savathun corrupted a ghost as Osiris, there's too many variables to get a concrete answer.
@@antgonz4436 yea, it did seem pretty convenient that the traveler blinded us just in time to save Immaru, and then the ghost disappeared with it.
On top of that, we simply secured Savathun's body, instead of destroying it.
Obviously, she has a bigger roll to play down the line.
What happened with osiris?
All in all, I think Fynch would be the best companion for Eris Morn even though his Hive Guardian, Ken, was *taken care of.*
@@antgonz4436 ok, thanks cause ive watch all the cutscenes on yt and i didint see him once (i dont have the dlc)
Or he’s a ghost from when the hive were the krill and they lived on fundament the traveler was with fundament just like it is with earth which means ghosts would have been there and ghosts as they say travel until they find there gaurdians so if the traveler flees when the witness shows and a ghost didn’t find there guardian and left with the traveler could explain why immaru looks the way it does
I think the Traveler picked Savathûn so we could have another person to help us against the Witness in the near future (Probably during Lightfall or something)
Edit: I WAS RIGHT (Not in lightfall but in final shape)
Watch us team up with savathun in light fall to defend the light
@@princephantom5611 That'll be epic
The traveler was not doing anyrhing when savathun pulled it into her throne world. It allowed this and didnt do anythig cus it knew the witness and the pyramids could not reach it. But we'll we basically didnt know that and now the traveler is back in the city vulnerable. With everything thats happened I feel like the traveler is gonna ditch us, or get captured or something by the witness cus its had enough of this eternal game of life and death
That would be awesome
Probably have to make an escape to the throne world of light when the pyramids arrive. Aka Savathuns plan, but for our own purpose and benefit.
I also believe Savathun involvement with Uldren and the whole Forsaken lore was just to study how the traveler create the guardians. think about it
Uldren was devoted to Mara
Ulden was brave enough to do whatever Mara told her
Uldren died trying to revive Mara
Uldren became a guardian
And all of these, was because Savathun manipulation on Riven
Makes sense, because even though Uldren was manipulated he still believed he was making his own choices.
What I think is this: The Traveler as we all know is the embodiment of the light, what is the light, the bomb logic, what is the bomb logic, the idea of different races work together. So I think the traveler ultimately works towards the bomb logic, everything it does is in attempt to fulfill that idea. By coming to the Sol system it has in a way achieved that. Look at us, working together with the Cabal to combat the hive, and previously working with the Eliksni to combat the vex (we don't have to talk about the Awoken, they are like a sub species of humans).
So on to the topic of Savathun, one of the reasons I think the Traveler may have allowed Savathun to use the light is that it trying to add another race to the human - cabal - eliksni alliance that is building up in Sol right now. Who is is more valuable to add to our alliance then a former servant of the Darkness, someone is familiar with the ways of the darkness. The allies of humanity is the best plan the Traveler has to defeating the darkness, adding the lucent hive to that will only make that plan stronger (probably).
This dlc means a lot to me, Started playing destiny 2 a bit after shadowkeep dropped, logging in to hear that amazing music (it was Savathun’s song without me realizing it), my first strike was Savathun’s Song, I always found the hive the most interesting of the enemies we fight, and finding out the lore and then playing shadowkeep, beyond light, and now witch queen, and learning that Savathun wasn’t the best being but was somewhat a good guy it’s amazing, it made me feel a lot of pity/sympathy for Savathun as she died below the traveler and infront of the last city.
Sav's Song was One of my favorite strikes, actually. It's a shame they had to vault all the red war stuff, especially since its being referenced in Witch Queen.
Imagine if along the way we get Savathûn, Mithrax, and Caiatal each getting a ghost and starting us down the road of having multiple races as guardians, all under one banner to fight the Witness and protect the Traveler.
We dont invite vex to this party
i want that so hard, i just want all the races to be allies
my own prediction for later down the line in light fall. we could possibly empower our allies, Eliksni, Caball, and as seen this season. Hive. and we all band together and fight off the dark fleet.
Hopefully that would mean playable eliksni and cabal
That would be pretty awesome 👏🏾
Boom
Yeah I doubt the dark would ever think all us would come together and fight them as just species of our solar system that want to fight for Thiers.
Maybe. Good idea.
I feel like light fall is gonna be an Avengers Infinity War situation in which we take an L and I mean a huge L either the death of multiple major characters or the The Traveler itself gets destroyed and then in the final shape we come back and kick some pyramid ass
Savathun dies
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I think what’s impressive is that we REALLY DONT KNOW what the Traveler is up to, is thinking, is doing. Mara said before that it’s been a “tug of war between light and dark”, when there’s too much light, darkness comes. When there’s too much dark, light comes. I feel like The Witness would rather it just be completely free of light. He’s done with the game. Maybe this is why the Traveler has moved away from his ‘status quo’ and will enlist all who are defending the light. I think the fact that Imaru started out with a Hive shell speaks to The Light’s intentions with Savathún.
The repercussions of this story change everything we think of destiny so far. How the world and history of destiny could be so different. I won't be surprised if she shows up later this year in 1 of the seasons. I do wonder if in lightfall their tackle you can survive and still use the light without the traveler around. If I remember correctly didn't we get introduced to that female iron lord back in destiny 1. That she came from outside the universe and was still able to use her light powers without the traveler around those universes.
she was on the edges of the solar system, not in another dimension
I'm going to guess our Guardian might still can. We regained our powers via a shard of the Traveler (which seemed to be 'drained' after our interaction) even when the Traveler was still locked down, similar to the Darkenss shard in BL which granted us Stasis at first but Eramis destroyed (remember, she frozed our Ghost aswell and said 'no more darkness and no more light' or something like that before we manifested Stasis from 'within'), it might be possible our Light powers come from 'Within' (or our Ghost) rather than from the Traveler after the Red War....
We just have to see what Bungie decides until or if something like that ever happens, gameplay wise is hard to justify removing whole subclasses but in the narrative it could be a powerful tool even if we have already walked that ground before.
@@EatThePath-7 i'd not be surprised if it turns out we, after all this time are our own source, once we gained a power we learned to manifest it on our own, thus becoming both light and dark, wittness and traveler, and idea that could connect in Final Shape
Are you referring to efrideet?
@@YamaXI he most likely is
I personally believe that the ghost look like hive because the traveller had already made then when the Krill (Hive) were supposed to get the light at Fundement all the way back when the books of sorrow started... but since they went with the darkness instead the traveller never got the chance to bless the Krill (Hive) thus holding onto then incase the day came when they did become worthy in the Travellers eyes and well... that day came with Savathun denouncing the worms and darkness... so in the Travllers eyes I guess its the Krills (Hives) redemption story... my guess is that he senced the darkness getting closer to earth and Humanity and instead of travelling to find another species worthy like it always does he saw the Krill (Hive) as his new race to bless and went with it because the Hive are always on the move they are not bound to one planet but Instead they have a roaming throne world ship that Travells just like he does so it would be the perfect option... but that's just my opinion... I maybe way off but if I were I betting man this is what I believe has happened ✌
I don't think you're half wrong
Anyone else thinks Mara Sov is soon to be an antagonist? I mean, even during the worm launcher quest, the savathuns worm kept referring to Mara as the queen of deception and by the looks of it Mara did not seem to completely deny it but instead kept telling the worm to shut up. I mean idk, in the game world my trust on Mara is next to zero
They were chosen a millennia ago, we the human race, just as in our reality are the youngest of sentient species to the sun. Humans think the light is ours but in reality the traveler gave the light to all the species to advance their technology and lifespans so they could accumulate enough knowledge to reach each other and band together to defeat extinction aka darkness.
My favorite cutscene in this DLC is the monologue where Savathûn is resurrected. With Immaru still alive, maybe we will ser Savathûn again.
11:20 If the traveler was originally going to chose the hive them it makes sense that it would already have hive ghosts made, it probably just deployed old hive ghosts it meant to use originally.
Savathun minus the worm, would really mean she is more like the hive before the introduction of the worms and the darkness.
No she isn’t Hive. She is Krill.
Krill?
Is it the name of the hive before the worms?
@@yoda8569 Wrong franchise Master Yoda. Though I must say, the Traveler does some pretty shady stuff like your Council...
at one point during the campaign i remember hearing our ghost says that it recognized immaru's voice but that it didnt knew it by that name, also it said they used to "terrorize" other ghosts
When you do the first patrol mission in the throne world, Immaru calls himself the first ghost and ghost mentions he recognizes the voice and that wasn't his name in the beginning. So he was already out there searching long before Savathun died, but could be one of the ghosts who read the book of sorrow.
There probably dialogue I havnt heard out there but I really think Immaru was created for Sathona when the traveler was going to give the hive the light on fundamnet after they died..but never got to..so when savathun died immaru finally got released for Savathun
I'm thinking the Traveler knows it needs as many allies as possible for the upcoming showdown with the darkness. Savathun and her hive would not be bad allies in that regard
Savathun's ghost, Immaru keeps referring to himself as "first ghost" I believe Immaru was literally the first ghost, and the Hive were meant to be the first Lightbearers, but the Darkness took them instead and the Traveler had been saving Immaru incase the Hive were to turn to the Light, storing him inside of itself
Unless ‘first ghost’ is referring to rank within the Lucent Brood, like ‘right hand man’.
@@LoneSilverW0lf I think its definitely more of a rank thing
@@Animanatee correct, ghosts weren't created until humanity's collapse. The Traveler gifted other civilizations with light, but that doesn't mean it made ghosts, it made things like the gift mast and other light infused tools to fight the hive as detailed in the books of sorrow. We also know it spent time building up Eliksni but never gave them ghosts.
So the Traveler obviously wants to survive. Civilizations were blessed by the light but humanity was the first to become worthy to be lightbearers. Savathun got rid of her darkness and died to free herself, she showed the traits needed for lightbearers. Savathun’s plan would probably have kept the Traveler safe but it’s considering it’s options, humanity which is using stasis and darkness or the witch queen who has turned its back on darkness. The Traveler seems to be considering it’s options in terms of survival
if we go back to forsaken or even D1, we find that the traveler performed experiments in the garden before time, toying with ways to make new life, and have it always survive. this was to oppose the widower, who would kill the weak life the traveler (gardener) created. This is what's so terrifying, the traveler may view us as a failed experiment, as we turned to the darkness and started to doubt its intentions. The Traveler's experiments in the garden never worked because things would spiral out of order, and the chaos would lead to more death and destruction than usual, this is almost exactly what happened to us. The Traveler meddled in our affairs, brought us initial success but needed to play its final card once the darkness came to correct its interference. then once the Traveler sent the ghosts and the darkness went away, other forces began to invade. More Chaos that prevented the growth of humanity, until eventually we started looking for other means of protection. If the traveler considers us just another failed experiment, but is unable to leave due to its weakened state. Then I don't know if we can trust it.
@@Animanatee there are more lore tabs like the dark future. Where the Traveler has left already. I think it can leave right now if it wanted to. But chaos is a part of life, right now without Savathun I think it’s prepared to go all in on humanity.
@@juannavejas6510 let's hope so
I think its simple. The Traveler would have went with whoever could have protected it better. Whether that is Hive or Humans. Humans won out against the Hive so the Traveler stayed with them but when the Witness tampers with a race and they turn from the Traveler, it moves on. The Traveler is hoping to empower a race to defeat the Witness and it hasn't found one yet to do so.
Immaru has referred to himself as the first ghost when running patrols. Could it be he was created for Savona while the traveler was approaching Fundament? This would explain his appearance.
Could it be she couldn't be accepted until she Savathun was excised from the worm?
This does give an interesting twist on Akilies, and the house of light.
Also in the cutscene, the Worm gods/Deep said these frail siblings will be claimed by the light unless we claim them first. So the Traveler already picked Sathona before she became Savathun.
The worm familiar said that the light would claim the three fragile sisters if the dark did not claim them first. My guess is that Savathûn, was predestined to be chosen by the Traveler, but that couldn’t happen while she had a worm. It also seems that one must die to be reborn in the Light. Sathona would’ve lived a short and uneventful life if not for the interference of the worm gods. She would’ve died naturally and been brought back by the Traveler if her life hadn’t been extended indefinitely through her pact with the worm gods.
I believe the worm even tho he’s weak on his own his a high ranking being which holds wait
Sathona Warlock.
Xiro Titan.
Aurash Hunter.
Remember when the Speaker told Ghaul to die? Savathun the madgirl actually did it. Also props to Mara for legitimately killing Savathicc.
Gonna be honest I don't really understand how Savathun died. When she died in front of the Traveller wouldn't she just go back to her Throneworld?
@@proteg30 she no longer had her worm, when she broke out of the crystal she must’ve been hit with shrapnel
@@proteg30 when her worm was removed she lost the ability to go to her throne world. That’s what I think at least
@@proteg30 I think it’s bc since her worm was taken away along with her darkness power she doesn’t go back to her throne world
@@georgie_al6244 So why that she has the light now she can visit her Throneworld? Plothole
I think it would be naive to believe we humans were "special" in being chosen by the traveler. Clearly our purpose as guardians is to protect the life that the traveler cultivated. Regardless of species.
Yall remember when Saint said that the eliksni were his people too. I think that was the traveler's intent all along.
The reason why...
She has been working against the witness since the beginning. Working loopholes and converted her worm and tricked the witness. The lies that she weaved were likened to a web that were materialized in her throne world that ultimately was there to save the scorn, attempting to save Oryx and now the traveler.
My little theory is that the traveller doesnt actually care about anything other then its self and getting away from the witness and the black fleet, so it travels to all these different home worlds like fundament and the eliksni home world to find suitable beings to wield its power to help protect it, then after all thats done n stuff the traveller will be in its merry way
The Traveller is an agent/avatar of the Gardener and she wants to win the game.
Traveler cried for Clovis and his dark decisions that hurt his own lineage
This whole expansion raised some questions than answers. Especially when it comes to Osiris
Imagine in the character customization screen you could pick the fallen race or hive
Based off the line “when light falls” from the strand trailer I believe that the traveler will leave or be destroyed
Savathuns voice actor did an amazing job!! If anything, i hope Bungie gave her a golden Flawless title.
What the Traveler want? It want to die. Sometime Traveler is referred as an ancient corpse. During the season of the arrival there is a dialogue between Drifter and Emissary where Drifter saw the universe that is too bright and there is a corpse that beg to kill it.
Traveler has been crying for help for a long time and now the Witness will answer.
Savathun is one of, if not the most powerful Guardian now
When I saw that cutscenes I felt bad for savathun she never had a choice when it came to the worm and was forced to feed it or die also I think the traveler save savathun ghost and gave the light to the hive because the traveler knows when it comes to the darkness and the witness we are out matched but with other race's with the light hive and maybe fallen or cabel we might have a chance maybe
The leviathan literally tried to warn them multiple times, and they wouldnt listen lol. Screw Savathun and the hive. The fact the traveller even entertains it feels like a betrayal.
@@OrphanCrippler1 I mean I can see why the traveler feeled betrayed when we are using the darkness (stasis) it's like a slap in the face plus the hive were going to be guardian but the darkness say mine now plus savathun was desperate when she die and the traveler saw a chance for more or better protection
@@brianacosta421 What? We used the darkness to protect the traveler. All we do is protect the traveller, and it repays us by giving power to our biggest enemy that literally tried to wipe us out of existence.
@@OrphanCrippler1 that true we do use the darkness to protect the traveler now but when we first got the ability we were give it by the darkness and we use it to learn more of the darkness and the traveler took it personally and thought we might go to the darkness side so the traveler pull a plan b on us out of fear or as some people think the traveler is try to get more races with the light for all of us to work together to fight the darkness because right now we are not ready to fight them but that just a theory I saw for all I know the traveler just weird
I think we're getting this all wrong about the traveler, I don't think it gives a shit about us any more than our ability to protect it, with us being willing to hear the darkness out and use its powers the traveler is looking for whoever is strong enough to protect it, nothing more
I'm still waiting to see what will come of that Allegiance quest we did way back. For whatever reason, side with the Vanguard or the Drifter.
I mean, that resolved. Both had the same conclusion.
I think Ghosts are transmutes. They can dissolve any substance and reconstitute it as it's original form... probably how they may be able to revive us is a trait that is hidden in this power. But it also can help transmuting their shell. For example, our Ghost was white shelled, but now can be many different shapes depending on what their guardian chooses for them. Maybe the Ghost can choose a shell for themselves. Maybe a Ghost realizing it is about to choose a HIVE host to carry with permission from the Traveler, changed their shell to match the occasion. Would stand to reason that each Ghost has their own free will, they all are allowed to don what "clothes" they feel is appropriate.
Maybe when the Traveller was orbiting her homeworld it decided to make Ghosts for her and her people before it fled.
Maybe that's why it has that look.
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The best twist in Witch Queen was that there was no twist. The Traveler wasn't tricked, there was no scheme. It chose them willingly.
I think the traveller had ghosts prepared for different nations, so may have for the fallen as well as the cabal.
What I’m confused on is why Savathun initially defended the traveler during the collapse. At that point she was still using the Darkness. Was it just that her plot to capture the traveler dates back that far? Also, what is the actual purpose of her plot? Is she capturing the traveler to save it, or is she capturing it to use it to be the sole light-bearer? Was defending the traveler her “selfless” act to make her worthy of the light? It makes sense that she wouldn’t know that the krill were technically already worthy, since they were going to get the light before the darkness got to them. I guess that would mean she’s been trying to get rid of her worm for a long time, before the collapse even. It could be that she wanted to get the travelers trust, remove her worm, and then get the light. I feel like I’m answering myself as I’m typing.
About Immaru, I remember I heard a conversation when I picked a patrol beacon in the Throne World, Immaru speaks, then the guardian's ghost says that he recognizes that voice, he says that he was a rather mean ghost who liked to torment other ghosts, and that back then his name wasn't "Immaru". Who really was Immaru before he chose Savathûn? If he was one of those ghosts who didn't want to choose a human and also dmired the Hive, then does that explain why he was wearing a Hive shell before reviving Savathûn? It's very interesting.
I still like the idea that the traveler isn't this benevolent being, but a judger. It and the Darkness play the game to judge which species can be "worthy". of what? who knows
I hope the Elskni (specifically the house of light ones) get a ghost
On this mission where you need to walk through darkness gates and have the lights to get rid of weight of darkness, there is a creature that is sticking their heads out of the water in several places. Not sure if this is going to be a part of something but I found it interesting and it reminded me of the garbage monster in star wars.
Lightblade Strike im guessing, but did he have a main place where he would pop his head out?
@@jickzx right after the first exploding light you can see a head with a red glowing eye just above the water surface. Might need a sniper to see because it disappears before you can get close enough to get a good view.
Yeah that was creepy
I think it would be cool if we could make non-human gaurdians at some point. Id make a hive titan and an eliksni hunter. That would be sick
exo... awoken... neither are human
My current theory is that the traveler knows every one who is worthy upon their death, mainly those who died under its watch, like during the collapse, or those that fought to protect it, and those people are added to something like a memory bank within the traveler. This understanding of worthiness is then relaid into the ghosts subconsciously and they go around searching bodies until one feels right, but the reason the body they choose feels right is because, subconsciously, they’re connected to the travelers “list” of worthy people that died. Maybe Immaru’s form was altered because he was chosen by the traveler to be the one to resurrect Savathun, which falls in line with the exotic lore piece saying they’re malleable. Or maybe instead of knowing he was looking for Savathun, he just knew that was looking for hive now instead of humanity.
I'm always befuddled by how no one remembers that Rasputin shot rockets at the traveler to prevent it from leaving us during the Collapse.
Because that theorry has been debunked a long time now
@@bendicion2010 it was a theory?
@@bendicion2010 A lot of the original lore on it was very suggestive that it happened, or was about to happen. We've seen naturally how FRAGILE the traveler is; which can be assumed why it continues to run from the darkness; it views it as a potentially fatal enemy.
what you said is mostly correct but there's more to add to it, The Traveler has been trying to win against the pyramid-ships for eons the past always leads back to a flower game. they've been trying to change the up come, they didn't have much of an option and she chose what they chose to try and give people Free Will and also bring them on a plan to bring them all in one location eventually to fight back against the pyramid-ships.. what was it most likely got injured and is having to have its final stand here until we know otherwise.
Yo, when “+250 clan xp” came up right after savathun died in the cutscene, I died. ☠️
I’d love the option of choosing the other races honestly. Whether it’s the fallen , hive or cabal.
I would’ve helped Savathun cause I think she was in the right. She tried to help the traveler by putting traveler in her safe haven, protecting it from its enemies.
hey i like your stuff but one thing i heard you say about the traveller only reviviing humans............. i thought well crow is awoken cayde was an exo zavala hes an awoken so not just humans get revived
It hurts to see she was a good character deep down but we still slayed her🥺
Shes not fully dead her ghost got away. Like the guardians she can revive at some point in the future.
Do a video on Osiris new lore where we writes to us the guardiana saying that he was in with savathun all along, he let her disguise as him because he believed she could help us more than him.
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Ikora states the hive was tricked by the witness, what if the traveler had already chosen the hive and that specific ghost had selected savathun but then waited because they were corrupted
I love Byf's analysis or story telling on lore cards but I find Evades channel to be more descriptive of the specific and in depth.
Wired thing is you don’t have to die to become a guardian
New races to pick for characters and another class would be good
I remember last year people thought that the Old Tower was going to come back with the witch Queen. there was even talk that people thought that Zavala was going to die..
Wonder what an eliksni ghost would look like since savathun and her brood have a unique ghost
Well it’s all about the Ghosts. A Ghost is a literal conduit for the Travelers Light so it doesn’t matter where the guardian is in correlation to the Traveler. The Ghost is still connected with the Traveler. Now from what I understand the Travelers true purpose and goal is to create,grow and expand life so it goes around the universe giving the Light to all creatures and it was going to do the same to the Krill(Hive) before they were tricked by the Witness. But, the Traveler gives its Light through Ghosts and it seems that a Ghost can choose to resurrect whoever they want. Hence why the Ghost Immaru resurrected Savathun. It was the Ghosts choice not the Traveler. But that’s just my understanding of the Lore from Witch Queen. 🤷♂️
I just finished the campaign and my mind was utterly blown. All this time, one of our greatest enemies, the queen of lies, her very existence as Savathun was born from a lie. The Hive were born from a lie….
I knew it from the start, even with all of the all “she stole the light” I knew she’d end up chosen.
Without the worm, Savathun was Sathona once again.....a Krill again.....which was the race that the Traveler wanted to gift the light in the first place
I'd be curious about the coverage of the Lucent Tales lore book. Which does cover the Ghosts that chose the Hive it seems.
What if Immaru was quite literally the first ghost as he suggests himself. Like he was created all the way back when the Traveler was in fundament. But he didn’t get to bond with Savathûn due to the Witness tricking her into embracing the deep. So he basically just waited until Savathûn died, and was granted by the Traveler to resurrect her.
This would explain why he already had a Hive shell, and it connects with the hoarfrost’s description of “maybe they were always meant to.”
I hope we get to see Oryx and Savathun revived by the Light again later on but become allies in a fight vs The Witness and possibly Xivu Arath
LORE TALK:
So this is wrapping my head just a bit. if anyone remebers in the season of arrivals we went on a pyramid ship and in that shit was a model of a ship with Cabal, Fallen, Humans and hives. We have gotten both Fallen AND Cabal ally's and yet no hive. in the model of it they where all facing the ship like we are ready to fight them. what if giving sabathun the light would help us fight the witness the traveler showing sabathun on why we should join foces
I think traveler already had hive ghosts ready on fundament
Everytime I hear the worm talk, I hear Rogu from American Dad
I’m curious to see where she comes back in. We may need her to pull out he traveler into another world (therefore vaulting the cosmodrome and EDZ). It would make sense to me and we may get closer to the darkness to fight other species who wish to wipe us out (witness/ veil) who knows though. The story will make crazy changes forever and I’m excited
Well our Ghost states that he is already familiar with Immaru, Immaru had a bad rep amongst the other Ghosts due to his constant unwarranted bullying to the Younger Ghosts
Everything about Savathuns resurrection raises questions for me. Did she already know it would happen? had she been planning for it? Why did she want the dead ghost shells and Nokris necromancy? If her memory was wiped like all guardians, how did she know who she before we revived her memory? or about her throne world, where it was, her plans for the traveller etc? Did Immaru tell her and if so how did he know? Did she already know about the Witness lies about the god wave BEFORE her memory was guardian wiped? Is that why she betrayed them?
Seriously it's an awesome story, I love witch queen but there are some major plot holes that I hope the lore fills in soon.
Devotion inspires bravery, Bravery inspires sacrifice, and sacrifice leads to...death.
Savathun gambled.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell possibly, but still do any explain her plan or selective memory.
@@robertmuggeridge4736 the memory thing is still lost on me.
The escape is Canon.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell which escape do you mean?
Sava'thun escaped death at Mara's hands with a contingency spell.
I just wanna see a alien rhino do a backflip and throw a barrage of knives
Lol thundercrash.
Ghaul be throwing a cabal fit since he wasn't chosen fully
Have to admit...Savathun has a soothing voice.
Nice voice for such a scary creature lol
When coming down to it, I do not believe the Krill were going to be the first lightbearers or even the Eliksni and we've seen how they utilitze the Light for their splicing abilities back in the Season of the Splicer. After all, the Harmony, Ammonite, and various other races that were blessed with the Light were actively given the power of Guardians to utilize it in the same manner. In the Book of Sorrows, it detailed many strange aspects that the Light were used including stabilizing planets within the accertion disk of a black hole and having a jet of light coming out of it. There is even mention of the Ecumene using paracausal weaponry. Heck, we have even seen humanity's Golden Age and there are no mentions of Ghosts whatsoever, no people rising from the dead and utilizing the Light as a weapon and humanity had amazing technology. Looking through the lore, this is a trend when coming to the Traveler.
As far as we know, the only true prerequisite we know for a Lightbearer is the ability to utilize the Light as a weapon and, even though Savathun used the Darkness in the form of hive magic, there is not a true distinction between the two paracausal forces. So, the use of the Dark could easily translate that the person could also use the Light.
I think the reason why the Traveler gave humanity the Lightbearers is rather simplistic, it was surrounded. The Black Fleet managed to cut off any escape route for the Traveler, as it forward elements are doing now. The Traveler had no choice but do what it could to survive and created Guardians, not only that but it would explain why the Witness hasn't destroyed the Last City yet because the Traveler made a new move and the Witness was testing to see if it could turn that move into its own weapon.
I'll never forget the day I saw another player named "SavathUwUn"
Our ghost recognizes immaru’s voice. Was like like he’s wasn’t going by that name at the time I guess I can’t remember lol
One thing that I find funny is how some people forget that during the collapse the Traveler tried to flee but was damaged by Rasputin which is why it didn't leave and from that the ghosts were made
Actually, that wasn't confirmed
I called it when I first saw the trailer. I was so happy when I found out I was right.
In season of the lost, crow said that Osiris aka savathun had asked of him to take dead ghosts from the spider any chance he could. maybe savathun resurrected those ghosts with hive magic. which would make sense with their apearance
with the witch queen out and I am kinda lil behind in the campaign as today I just finally got the death bringer and wonder why people are not using it more this season . Campaign with this franchise is a pain cuz I get side tracked w nightfalls, gambit crucible battle grounds etc . Anyhow, I am seeing n hearing many things as I see myself in the new witch queen campaign . From the past to now I feel most of the characters have twists n turns blah blah but with the mystery of Savathuun, the fact Eris morn is not dead yet and the fact she lost her light and ghost and orchestrated the death of Crota and oryx who say she's not the true Savathuun all along as to why she didn't claim the throne when she had the time to ? .Crota and oryx I strongly believe what we have seen or think being dead I feel one of these 2 is alive and I feel it is Crota. most of the throne world reminds me of the Crota raid and the astro striga is the new version to necrochasm .. I can say one thing tho, I am enjoying this new Witch Queen . Something has never set well about Eris Morn all this time she has been around . I don't know but this DLC has me wanting to play D1 al over again and see what he have missed lol seeing we are going back to that time and worlds ? Hmmm
maye the travler scans the universe finds subjects who could be lightbarers heads there while producing ghosts tailerd to the race on rout or produces them after arival in the system (I think the deep moving the moons of fundament was intended to cloak or hide the travler aswell as force desperation on the inhabitants so they seek something to save themselves) then after it has produced the ghost releases them like we witnessed, but in the case of the crill the dark managed to claim them before the ghosts were ready for release.
This same pattern has gone on and on till Savathun tricked the wittness along with other factors (the travler taking damage etc) when it was in sol and could not make its escape so was forced to release the ghost it had been tailering for humanity, its possible it will some time soon release ghosts it has in stock for the eliksni, its possible all the hive ghsost we see are ones it has had stored away inside itself for ages.
In my eyes, before savathuns death she let go of her hatred for the Traveller, and she also seems to have mislead the witness during the golden age collapse.
The fallen helped us, the cabal helped us, now the hive will?
Why does the traveler stay with us if we have darkness abilities now? Maybe cause he knows we can defeat the witness?
I think it would be cool in one season we team up with the guardian that hunts lost ghosts and try to find Immaru with them :)
I feel like Immaru was created and was searching for savathun ever since the traveler was on fundament . That's my theory anyway
I know this is an older video with many comments but I would like to add that I don’t believe that was a new ghost. In the beggining of Destiny 2 when you start, your ghost talked about the first collapse and that the Traveler gave off a burst of energy to drive the darkness away and in that moment created all the ghosts that exist. There seems to have always been lightbearers but no ghosts to raise them. This made the early lightbearers that attempted to rule over people in the dark ages quite powerful since they can come back. Why would ghosts chose such people?
It’s clear the ghost chose Savathun not the traveler. The shell is the biggest tell for that. Which means this ghost was already aware of what was gonna happen because she told him what would happen. We know Ghosts can choose who they resurrect so the Ghost Imbaru chose to revive her because of the deal she cut. Also we weren’t really Worthy, we were just the only choice. Once Rasputin crippled the traveler it had to create the ghosts to defend itself by making Guardians. The ghosts are just a conduit for paracausality they don’t just allow light to be used but also darkness hence stasis.
I bet people who finished the raid on Saturday will get the hive ghost shell.. if you look under the ghost shells season 16 collection page there is a unknown ghost..