In 2017 Dave Rubin was asked which moment had the highest impact in changing his mind on politics throughout his career at the rubin report. His answer was, when Larry Elder challenged him on systemic racism. This clips shows this moment from Jan. 2016.
Glad I stumbled across this, it was actually ME who asked him that, on one of his Facebook Live Q&As for his Patreon donators. Might have actually been end of last year, possibly this year though
Rubin Report has come a long way. :) His sincere question and answers with people from both parties is why, if I have liberal friends, I tell them to watch his stuff. Inoculates them from becoming idiotic far left anarchists. Thank you Dave. :)
Was going to say roughly what Barry said just with the difference that I did not ask the question. But if you go through some of his stuff he does talk about it and more than once I think.
James Tyler The far left doesn't lead to anarchy, it's socialists. Anarchists actually lean right at this point in history, if they understand what anarchy is (an absence of rulers), because at least for now the right is about preserving freedoms and demanding personal responsibility instead of collective responsibility. The rest of your post is good. Rubin is a good way to introduce leftists to conservatives without beating them over the head with a Ben Shapiro logic stick that they won't understand and will therefore ignore.
@@KCampbell13 For liberals it seems to be that respecting people means regarding them as victims. Elder does exactly the opposite. I'm Hispanic and I'm not a victim. That's the conservative way.
Elder very generously gave Rubin an opportunity to make his case. We conservatives are always falsely accused of wanting to "silence" people, when in reality the opposite is the case. We want them to take responsibility for stating exactly what their data and logic lead them to believe and assert. And then we can put these ideas to the test and see if they can stand up to scrutiny.
Rubin deserves some major respect for being so open minded and fair. Regardless on if he was right or wrong, he listened to what the opposition had to say, pondered it, then considered applying new information to his worldview. Most people from either end of the political spectrum are unwilling to do this. Mad respect
Not really, he comes across as supine, intellectually shallow and even a bit obseqious. If he were smart, he'd have gone away and done further research and listened to both sides of the argument *fully* before making an informed decision. The way he changed his mind so quickly gives the impression he's probably fickle and indecisive and likes to change his mind often. Watch him on Joe Rogan, he was laughable.
I agree. He showed a lot of maturity and open mindedness. Even if your ideas maybe wrong it's more important how you respond to new or opposing sides that make you more understanding. It's awesome.
E Nigma If liberals (or at least what passes for a liberal in 2018) went out, did research, listened to both sides and made an informed decision, then CNN & MSNBC would have gone bankrupt. I don’t think most of today’s liberals could survive such a traumatic experience...information...both sides...that’s crazy-talk... You expect a white male liberal to refute a black man? Of course you do, because he is arguing that systemic racism isn’t the biggest issue in the black community. Lol.
Bobby B bullshit, Larry don't stay in the south. If he lived in Alabama during my mother's time. He would know better but it's sad he don't. Larry talks so much shit. His day is coming. That kid didn't have a chance. That kid was shot down. Rice was rolled up on. Larry is talking to a dummy. White women benefit more from affirmative action. Larry should know better. When, no fathers are in homes. Have Larry heard that some child support judges, do more damage to black men. Welfare more white benefit from welfare. The wealthy benefit off some form of welfare. Larry got his nose so far Republicans ass so he can get ahead. All this game playing to be successful. He grew up in the 60s 😂what a joke. I wished you were in Mississippi or Alabama. Maybe you wouldn't have been born. Maybe the police would have hung his dad or something or beat his mother, raped her. Dick Gregory said this once... "it was so easy for people to stay up north and talk shit! I was there! I know what those white people will do to you! They will kill you!" (Dick was shot will marching for human rights) Larry has never stood for anything other than bashing his own. When wrong is being done, it's the black man or women fault for being black, raped, beaten, hung, shot in America. That's Larry's way of thinking.
Have i told you the definition of insanity? Majority of black community at inner city vote for Democrats over decades, and things in their neighborhoods are getting worse and worse, but they are keep doing the same thing over and over again to expect different result. You call them blind?
@Sock Cucka To answer your question and the one above, we Canadians don’t have your history of slavery, hence we don’t have a large black population or the related social problems that programs like the Great Society were meant to address. (Not that we don’t have social problems of our own.) And because we live so close to you, we get a lot of our news from the US media which has been pushing the systemic racism narrative. For those of us who have might have bought into that narrative, Larry Elder's arguments are eye opening.
My guess is some White Guilt-laden busybody made assumptions about him/her because of their being Chinese. I know I keep hearing "woke" people say some really bigoted shit.
My guess is that the SJW's are trying to recruit the asians for their cause but most are too reserved. imo asians just deal with shit and just hope for the best
You obviously don't know about groups like the Hmongs in America. Not all Asian groups are successful. And, just as you guessed, you can trace their success when they come to money and education.
At 21, I despised Larry Elder, and the things he said. 25 years later, after living, and growing the hell up, I completely understand. There can be no advancement in any area of life, until one accepts total responsibility for his/her life.....
That is so refreshing to hear! I only wish more people (of all shades) were willing to hear him and not write him off the way they do. Elder is the living embodiment of Dr. King's dream for meritocracy.
Yes the great Reverend Dr. MLK jr. Spoke greatly of a better future for his brethren, but also at the same time said racist things against white people, and I understand his anger, if anything, hearing him speak his anger as well as his love shows his capacity to preach the better one, and keep the harsh words behind closed doors. Wiretap recordings showed a flawed man preaching love, which is why people can relate to him deeply. Larry Elder's conservative philosophy on life is similar to Nietzsche's overman of overcoming the strife of one's self issues. forged in fire, coming out stronger. That type of mentality builds the strongest framework for a man's mind. for the happiest work/love/life balance. Responsibility and holding up to those promises build the type of person you want to be. and that rings true for any merit based system built with freedom of thought as a core tenet.
Jason Richardson I was 1 of those also brother. I’d still never call myself a Republican or conservative but I’ll still be friends with 1 depending on that individual and embarrassing as it has been for me to admit if I want the truth about anything from why someone got shot, if a certain politician no matter the party is good or bad, if a certain popo is a racist or not or on why our society is the way it is now I mostly only trust those like these 2 men. When I was younger I wouldn’t have really listened to what they said and just assumed they were liars that probably grew up wealthy and luckier than me and shielded from a lot of the bullshit some of us had to suffer through and witness while most the so called adults responsible for our bad childhood blamed the system or racism for the outcome of their choices. Some of us got a fucked start but a lot of it wasn’t the system it was our elders who usually had it worse than us but with less knowledge than we’ve been given especially with technology now and we are way worse people than our parents were if we continue this cycle but to many now don’t want to admit it and not take the easier victim route.
When Dave was asked what moment changed your life, he said and I quote: _"when an older black gentleman forcefully penetrated my ass with his arguments. It was painful but I enjoyed it"_
Tony Montana who is larry elder trying to emulate an average white man or average black man.....is trying to use a vernacular of sean hannity or sean combs....although combs is more succsesful...elder does not represent what it is to be the average black man he is not in contact with his own people.
L E.V.I. The communist black lives matter organization and ANTIFA are 2 of the most dangerous organizations in America. Nothing is threatening our way of life more than these 2 groups. # Blue Lives Matter # All Lives Matter
Steven Morahan this is true; however, what should be the focus is the black family structure. Or the family structure period for that matter. One thing he didn’t speak on- and many don’t-are the Willie Lynch Letters that unfortunately set the stage for this behavior. I suggest EVERY white person to read them and consider the current state of the Black race in America. You will then come to a state of understanding-at least I would hope.
Steven Morahan Only because too many men lacked incentives. Women shouldn’t be tied to anyone, but it’s better to have a social safety net than force women to remain in relationships to theirs and their children’s detriment.
This is what it's like being a black guy now-adays, everybody is trying so hard to convince us that we're oppressed. Leave me alone please i'm intelligent enough to think for my self.
DJSbros White conservatives support you. Time for more black men to break free of the political and economic shackles put on them by liberal Democrats.
@@frozenkiltAnd you have to respect that. He was told by everyone that being compassionate and not being a racist meant that you had to believe "this." Larry challenged his views, backed it up with facts, and Dave was open-minded enough to actually listen. After some consideration, Dave changed his mind.
This is why I LOVE Dave Rubin. I think this is probably the first time in my life I saw someone change a closely held political opinion upon hearing new information on the topic. This is what we need more of. On both sides.
Dave Rubin is the epitome of what a Liberal should be and is meant to be. This new wave regressive Liberalism is a fucking poison. They shouod take some advice from Rubin. It's so refreshing to see people of two completely opposing views sit down and TALK. Not shout and scream.
Kill All Liberals Would you care to elaborate on how we're all regressive? You don't even know where I stand apart from "Left". But I'm positive there is a vast amount of variations of opinion on both sides of the spectrum. So if you could explain how it would be smashing.
Wolf many social studies have proven that blacks and other ethnic minorities are less likely to get a call back. Studies also show that name discrimination is also a thing to. People with white sounding names are more likely to get a call back eg shaniqua vs Shannon or mohamed vs Edward.
It truly is the closest thing to actual magic that human beings are capable of. To be able to make points that clearly and concisely, while also using statistics to support your argument is incredibly powerful.
@Wolf It's important, but so too are the sources and the context in which said data/information is presented. All-too-often, data and statistics are used as a rhetorical device to skew perceptions. There's always more to the story than just the numbers.
Rubin got trounced in this one, but in time he had the humility to actually bounce back and change his perspective to rely more on facts and less on bias. Respect.
No I think Rubin was ready to be wrong. Rubin is a new conservative and will be wrong in order to get his views. Rubin also obviously didn't do his research or was caught off guard and perhaps didn't try hard enough. A lot of the left is wrong and hyperactive but that's not to say there are some issues facing the black community as a result of racism (ie wealth)
fjoolololol "rubin is a new conservative" LOL no. Just because you've been communicated by the left, doesn't mean you're conservative. He's a new part of the center-right... and that's not conservative... That's why he's pro abortion, anti death penalty etc. Stop talking out of your ass, kid.
i think so, but i didn't watch it live. It was a new interview at the time and I was watching it like any normal interview. And then Elder leaves Rubin awestruck with his piercing logic. It's a priviledge to see a real redpilling happening.
formerib Lets not think ALL of the people affiliated with the group are drunk, incompetent with low IQ. Since anyone can join the protests, you are bound to get people who just want to be there. The founders of the group dont reflect low IQ. One is a director of an organization focused on helping incarcerated people and their families. The other works as the special projects director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance and the other is a executive director of an organization focused on Black and Latino immigrant rights. People who are affilated or join in the protests arent all black either.
J.A. Brown they’ll probably just shout rhetoric and shout “you’re an Uncle Tom!” a bunch. Because they won’t have anything of value to bring to the conversation
Joel Smith They just yell labells/incoherent chants and make up ridiculous notions to support their political agenda. They dont listen to facts or reason. Society is doomed if this liberal ignorance continues.
Always loved Larry Elder, because he is honest, open minded and fair. Loving Dave Rubin because he is so open minded, honest, and always ready to listen and hear truth. Great interview
You should take a look at Larry's second appearance on the Rubin Report. Dave details that his perspective on the matter changed when Larry challenged him in this episode. He frequently has people like Larry on his show that challenge his beliefs and perceptions and is not afraid to admit when a guest has changed his mind or forced him to look further into an issue that, as you say, he is "unprepared" to discuss. That's a quality to be respected in my opinion.
I swear TH-cam deletes as much Larry Elder videos as they can bc they are terrified of how much sense he is making. Rubin's mind was blown. Elder is one of my favorite people of all time and I truly look up to him.
This gave me chills. The problem with Larry’s stone cold facts is that you need an audience who is willing to listen. This dude just broke down how we escape “oppression,” meanwhile, we’re out here marching the streets demanding justice. Great job!
The reason this went over so well is that Larry was uninterrupted as he made his statistical points. Usually if someone goes on mainstream tv points like these get edited or the interviewer interupts without listening. It's to Dave Ruben's credit that he listened and wasn't emotional during the discussion.
Larry made some important points, but Rubin is only there to interview and ask questions, not debate. There were zero advocates present to push back against Larry's narrative.
Jesse And what would be the push back to Larry's statistical facts? The only thing you can really argue would be the underlying causes, regardless, the media clearly misleads the public.
Larry's most powerful technique here, is not allowing the host to just move the conversation along after being owned. He simply said "your example is hollow, give me another example". And, of course, he had none.
J T so basically it's a technique of pushing your own agenda, and not one to getting to the truth of the matter. No wonder a lot people feel like there's no justice anymore.
No One It's not pushing your own agenda. It's forcing them to consider their opinions on topics. If you just allow someone to move on after their reasoning has been refuted then you won't change their mind. By forcing them to dwell on it you force them to make a change
No One Not really. It is forcing people to consider their own opinions PAINFULLY hard and honestly. People will avoid questioning their own convictions because this is uncomfortable. They will try to move to another topic. You have to stop them. It is not only for their benefit to face discomfort but it is mostly for the benefit of anyone who listens and feels that they havent really got to the bottom of an issue because the interviewer was allowed to swiftly move on. Yoh dont want the conversation to be shallow. Exploring a topic takes time and effort and this must be seen in a conversation. Conversations in the 21st century are like fast food - quick and insubstantial. You dont get to the bottom of the matter in a short time and skipping on the surface of a problem!
2:25 "You have a city that's 45% Black, City Council is 100% Democrat, the majority City Council is Black, the top cop at the time was Black, the number two cop was Black the majority of the command staff was Black, the mayor is Black, the AG is Black, and yet here we are talking about racism. It's absurd. It's absurd." OK. I'm convinced.
Ahnootha Luhva the day after the Dallas shootings when a racist black man shot and killed so many cops, and I heard the black president, in front of the black police chief. And the president spoke about how blacks are oppressed and there is racism, I screamed at my radio..... this's narrative from the left is horseshit.
Rubin has given those who are critical of the left a platform to express doubt about the nature of the left. These interviews would be much better if he pushed backed a little more, but I suspect he is unprepared and unwillingly to do so because this format has garnered him subs and likes. I wish he was more honest and open.
MIvarsson99 Have anything other than insults to make your argument from emotion pal? You know, facts, statistics, those kinds of pesky things that stand in the way of a narrative?
Larry Elder is wonderfully pointing out the facts. I became a conservative when I stopped relying only on my feelings and started using my brain to evaluate the facts.
It was Daves fault because he made some assertions that (when asked) he couldn't substantiate (systemic racism) If you are an interviewer, you should stick to asking the opinion of the interviewee, not imply your opinion is a generally accepted fact (American has systematic racism today) and then try to change the subject when backed into a corner. To Daves credit, he did admit that maybe he was wrong once he realized that he really had no evidence for his opinion (other than "everyone just knows this is true" )
It's very rare that a host is schooled on his own program... and still airs it, warts and all. Ive always been a Larry Elder fan, this day I became a Dave Rubin fan
This was an absolutely incredible interview. If only we could show this in our schools. Must give a salute to Mr. Rubin for being reasonable and open minded.
Luke Wykman lol not really. Most liberals are not willing to have a discussion. Why? Because the Left has shifted to identity politics, and social justice. Which means, to even have these discussions is an act of racism. They have a very clear line drawn in the sand of what is moral and wrong. You are either with us, or against us. I have seen so many Liberals who call Larry Elders a racist. And to even sit down and have a conversation with him, would be to give a racist a platform to spread his hate. That is pretty much the doctrine for most liberals today. This idea of “preventing” things. Which is why so many liberal youth, are turning towards Marxism/ and censorship. This idea of safe spaces, trigger warnings. It’s all about “prevention” of bad things from ever happening. And this is counterintuitive to having these discussions. Because they dont even want these discussions to be had (since the very act of talking about these things, is an act of racism or oppression).
Mar00f you do know the guy is a brain surgeon? Like, one of the best in the world. The guy might not have good social skills/ common sense. But to say he doesn’t have a brain is ignorant. He clearly does.
The reason De facto terrorists groups, aka Antifa, are used is directly because of this fact; through rational discussion, sane liberals are waking up to the regressive left's bullshit. In so doing, they dissent to the only other option (based on the false left/right dichotomy). Therefore the left, like a panicking cornered animal, is desperately trying to close their leaking reservoir of dissenters by shutting down said open discussions all together - even if it hurts them.
I've never heard of him either.... If say most people I know have never heard of him..... Actually either of these guys. Now that I'm thinking about it, a lot of Americans don't really care much about any world problems
Sara Check actually it would translate perfectly. Do u live in Suffolk or something? Blacks /leftists here hold the exact same victim mentality as those in the US. At least in London
@@jonjohn855 You should look up Thomas Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter E. Williams, and Allen West just to start off with. There are a lot of black conservatives in the States and Canada. Oh, and do tune into Candace Owens.
I hadn't seen this interview before, I'm here because of Dave's book ( Don't burn this book) and his honest recall of this moment. It's a great credit to his fortitude and honesty, that he's able to learn from these moments in his life and even more , to actually appreciate the lesson as a good life changing event. Major respect to both of them!
Larry Elder needs to speak on every possible media forum. Imagine him going against that news anchor Lemon. Or better yet Oprah. He would melt their brains in front of millions of viewers.
CNN and MSNBC will never have him on. They sustain and proliferate their narrative by not allowing reasonable, dissident voices to have a forum. It's destroying the fabric of the this country and the solidarity of its people. We no longer look at each other as fellow Americans anymore, we judge each other instantaneously based on our race, ethnicity, and subjective identity.
Thanks, I have to do that. EDIT: I did. He was magnificent, though I wish he would have answered Pier's question about Rachel's competency directly, even though it was an irrelevant question.
"As a Liberal, I find myself sympathetic and wanting to defend the ""other"" Well, there's your problem. Defend Truth, not the "other" for the sake of them being the "other".
Ahh. My mistake. January 15, 2016. JUUUUUST barely 2016 haha. You win this one. My point remains though, the progress that Dave has made in recognizing and separating truth from fiction is one of the things that make me belive that liberals aren't completely out to lunch... not completely.
As an attack helicopter I find myself sympathetic and wanting to defend the other combat vehicles against the hordes of liberal thugs r/physical_removal
THe leftist plan all along was to divide the family. Once you divide the family you can control the country. Democrats couldn't win anything if they didn't push division.
The liberal media likes to paint all black americans as victims. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cash in on it while slowing the progress of their own people. That is not to say that racism is dead in this country, but its not the 1920's.
Another one of Larry's gems about the "woke"black culture "they don't want equal opportunity,they want equal results and that is completely wrong"... subsequent events of appointing completely unqualified people to high positions of responsibility and authority illustrate this completely... the fact that some vote pandering govt officials endorse this unsustainable policy tells me the USA will never move forward
So are you mocking a successful black man? Sorry, I don't see the humor. I heard Denzel say a very similar thing. (paraphrase) "If there is not a father in the home, he (the young black male) will find a father in the street. And the prison will become his home." Want to argue with that?
He says black fathers missing are the cause of the issues, but lacks the critical thinking to understand that the things he named, history, and the drug war all take away black fathers and ruin black families. Apparently he missed to memo from the Nixon aide. This guy isn't an intellectual, he's a mental midget.
+young ronin ~ you accusing him of missing issues means you really didn't watch or _listen_ to the whole thing. He said a very large reason for black fathers missing from families is the democrat-created welfare state. Democrats have been keeping black people down since the days of slavery, only now they do it by pretending to be friends to black people. By supporting democrats, _you're_ the uncle tom, not him.
Skinny Bones Jones uhhhhh no. Malcolm x did not get it. He was in favor of using violence to achieve his goals. You just made a case against your point.
Skinny Bones Jones I can name many times, but to save some time-Copy and paste the name of all of history's peaceful protests here- trying to justifying violent protests is a tricky game my friend.
Skinny Bones Jones and no im not black, but check your identity politics at the door. Unless of course you are afraid of civil discourse and have to use a conversation ender like race.
I like Dave Rubin. I think he is a decent, smart guy, even if he still drifts to the left. But Geezus, Larry Elder dismantles Rubin in this video. Dave Rubin gets obliterated by Elder. It was hard to even watch, yet the conversation was respectful in both directions. This is how it's supposed to be done.
What Dave Rubin is, more importantly than being liberal, is open-minded and fair. Finding a fair, open-minded liberal is becoming damn-near impossible these days.
It's because Rubin's premise was faulty. He wasn't on the right side, thus struggled to find arguments to support his premise. Larry dismantled that and showed him the errors of his ways, which can only happen through civilized discourse and an open mind from both sides.
MJ, I've seen how far it gets me. The US Presidency, the House of Representatives.and, the US Senate, and also the Supreme court. Thank you for your participation in that.. :)
Agreed, he destroyed Dave and its sad to watch but it also makes me happy because Larry was actually able to change his mind. Only thing I disagree with him on is Tamir Rice, he was like 10 years old and playing with a toy gun, I don't understand how anyone can defend the cop that shot him. I understand combatting the lies Liberals spread about police and supporting police officers but you have to call out the clearly bad ones. Besides that though, great video lol
@@hensonlaura You want to look up the definition of brutal? Nah, ok, I'll just give it to you here then. "-Savagely violent. -Punishingly hard or uncomfortable. -direct and lacking any attempt to disguise unpleasantness." Words aren't nearly as one-dimensional as you presume.
Larry Elder is a man of great integrity. He’s very intelligent, respectful and forthright. He knows his facts for sure! We need more men like him in our country!
keith mcdowell because its Larry Elder... He doesn't nor has he ever made use of inaccurate data. He's a Black Man stating things about his race that other blacks and white liberals, with no interaction with blacks for the most part, would love to discredit him for saying. Errors and inaccuracies would be pointed out to make him go away. Plus I've looked some of the shit up. Truth hurts. Learn from it and make change.
I love how he went after him without mercy but not in a bad way. It was the perfect platform to challenge him. He had to listen and benefited greatly from it. It also brought down that ridiculous hair spiking.
Up in my recommended feed 7 years later. I finally see what Dave Rubin was like back in his democratic days. Unsure if this was before/during/after his Young Turk days. Interesting discussion. Larry Elder spitting facts back them every bit as able as he is doing nowadays. Impressive guy and good on Rubin for listening as well.
mivassson99 " a sizable portion of the populace believes that larry elder is a racist, uncle tom shitbag' that's because a sizable portion of the populace are full of shit,like you. ,larry elder showed there is no systemic racism, but you would rather wallow in ignorance instead of listening and embracing the truth
Oh how about the facts that Larry Elder didn't say. For example, Larry Elder continues to claim that there is no systemic racism right? This is why these shows are a waste of time. You pick a guy that doesn't know about systemic racism and pick Larry Elder that is a denier of the systemic racism. For example, he used the police right? Why didn't he talk about the holder study where it clearly showed that the police were violating black people's 4, 5, and 14 Amendment rights to close a budgetary shortfall charging innocent people with crimes they didn't commit? Why did he not bring up Jena 6 or the police officers that arrested a black man in McDonalds after he was attacked by 5 white men because they didn't want him dating a white woman? Why didn't he bring up the man who was sitting waiting for his kids, and got arrested while doing so? Why did he not bring up that 20/20 did a study and showed nationwide black people are 95% more likely to be pulled over by the police than white people and that black people who are not even driving are required to prove who they are. Can you explain that? Larry Elder is a shill and we know it.
Ryooken Respectfully, incidents of racism as abhorrent as they are does not mean systemic racism. Your conflating the two . Just like climate change does not mean weather . Mr Elder is discussing two very different situations .
We are not talking about individual incidents stemming from private citizens in and of themselves. We are talking about the violation of the Constitution when those that represent the law either through deliberate action or simply failing to apply the law due to racial bias engage in behavior that violate the Civil Rights Act of 1964. We are talking about those in positions of authority engage in propaganda to sway public opinion to enforce racial bias that allow the changes to the laws that are harmful to the people of color. This is the current state of affairs and that has not changed. Larry Elder knows what systemic racism is but he is paid to say otherwise. We all know what oppression is. Most Europeans descended from people who fled oppression and don't need to be told what happens when the government mistreats their people at the behest of those in positions of power. We know the country was founded on racism white supremacy, that's not even a debate unless you are going to say that the founding fathers lied when they said what they were doing. So it would be odd that within the last 45 years that a country so founded would suddenly change and you still see examples of abuse and oppression. For example, the largest beneficiaries of welfare are white people and black people were prevented from getting welfare until 1968. However, the anger engineered by the media of black welfare queens has been going on for 4 decades. 2 of those decades welfare to work was in place where you have the working poor. Now look at the history from 1968 to now. White people who objected to blacks getting welfare despite paying into the system, created stipulations for black people as to what, and how that welfare could be obtained and or used. These same people were punished for using a system that was supposed to help them work their way out of welfare into a better life. Instead you had massive propaganda by the same people that didn't want black people to have welfare and that culminated in the welfare to work program. These same people only wanted the solution where welfare goes away and only white people would get welfare and you say there is no systemic racism. Just like you claiming global warming and climate change are two different things, instead of addressing the root cause that our actions are making the planet hotter and we are getting extreme weather because of it, which has fueled our last few decades of natural disasters. It's called the scientific principle of cause and effect. You guys love to argue the effect while ignoring the cause. Now the other guy is just as guilty do you want to know why? Because people that call themselves liberals are benefiting from oppression too. So, they make weak arguments, not truly understanding the scope of the problem giving guys like Elder a platform to promote this racist agenda. So white people can use Elder's comments as a way to shout down anyone that can show the legitimacy of systemic racism which is the only form of racism there is. Everything else is bigotry and prejudice. Without the power to act, there can be no racism.
Ryooken Respectfully Sir Yes we are talking about individual acts which have occurred. Even if they are engaged in public service and are representatives of the state . Although the state can be held liable for the actions of their agents . It does not show institutional racism or bias . Unless you have proof of an underlying agenda that is intentionally seeking to violate the Individual civil rights of people it is by its definition not systematic. Where is your evidence? Show me the agency that in the United States that has stated that they want to suppress the Constitutional rights of the people in the 21st century in America ,and I will be happy to fight it together with you . Shoulder to shoulder and side by side. You make a claim that “We are talking about people In a “position of Authority “ who use propaganda to sway public opinion to enforce racial bias that allow changes to the law that are harmful to people of color. “ Which is an opinion you state as a fact .Without ever backing up the claim with any evidence of any kind . Which people ? What authority? Which laws ? Are there some people who are prejudiced against blacks , Hispanics like myself or Asians . Yes of course. There are always gonna be outliers and assholes who are like that . But to state they’re in power is disingenuous at best . As far as my comparison to Climate and weather they are two disparate things. Regardless of the cause and effect of climate changes .which is why I used the comparison. Welfare has done more to destroy families since the 1960s than any other racist program ever with the possible exception of abortion. ( Founded by a racist to control the American Black population.by Margret Sanger . “Knowledge of birth control is essentially moral. Its general, though prudent, practice must lead to a higher individuality and ultimately to a cleaner race... How are we to breed a race of human thoroughbreds unless we follow the same plan? We must make this country into a garden of children instead of a disorderly back lot overrun with human weeds.”) The word “CONTROL “ is in the name of the program. Oh and your right . One party Has systematically repressed and suppresd blacks by racism violence, control and murder. They are called Democrats. They are the racists of American politics along with the useful idiots communist and socialists . President Lyndon Johnson just found and easy way to get the African Americans to follow the Party which has been keeping them down since the first slave ships dropped anchor in North America. When he realized that he could bribe the African Americans whom they had spent the last 100 Years suppressing . He said “These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” And also is quoted as saying. “ I’ll have these N*ggers voting Democratic for 200 Years . “ Congratulations, this is the welfare state that you are arguing for . Good job. Do you actually think that Hillary Clinton from Illinois actually carries hot sauce in her bag and only “ casually mentioned it on a black radio station? Really? And that her mentor Senator Robert ( Grand Wizard ) Bird changed his tune or hers ???? Yes there is propaganda being used in order to keep Black people marginalized. It’s being used by the DNC and has been for a long long time sir. You seem extremely intelligent and are obviously well spoken. Take the Red pill and see what Morpheus ( Elder) is talking about. If you need to see a true example of systemic Racism looks like . It looks like the failed policies of Democratic Controlled Cities , with failed schools , social programs all controlled by the socialist teachers unions and leftist political hacks and the useful idiots of the socialists and collectivists who are the true oppressors of the communities who own you and your votes .
Larry Elder Is brilliant. Nothing but facts and truth. Not to mention the incredible courage it has to take to not only be a conservative and shoot things straight forward with facts on a public level, but doing that as a black conservative. The ridicule and brainwashed hatred that is thrown toward black conservatives is abhorrent and it sickens me. Nothing but respect for a man who is willing to walk that line and walk it tall to stand up for what is right and what is true.
And it also highlights a problem with so many Republicans/conservatives - the failure to hold the left accountable when they lie or make a factually uncorroborated statement. The BS needs to stop and that won't happen unless the lies are exposed and the liars are publicly shamed.
"the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020." There are more white people than black. www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Larry Elder has a mind that operates on warp speed. Much credit also goes to Dave Rubin for listening and being so open minded. Most people (including myself) are often smug in the rightness of our own views and and do not listen. I am grateful for intelligent and sensible people like Mr. Elder and Mr. Rubin. Thank you.
Lord Shaodeus Both don't disagree with each other, in fact, Colin has a camp teaching young black people their constitutional rights and de-escalation procedures.
Oli.Vyae did that camp exist when Kaepernick was a superstar? or when he was bench warmer vying for attention? you noticed he donated the million dollars and got serious after he looked like he was full of shit. kaepernick was put up for adoption after his black father left his white mother to raise him alone. Kaeprnicks own biological mother told him to be more aware and be more respectful. kaep is a clown. his haircut makes it obvious. why didnt kaep do things for blacks when he was a superstar? why only when he was riding the bench did he start to care?
30 kills pffhahaha! Are you so unoriginal you could only resort to "me big, you soyboy." Fucking dumbass, tell me, how hard is it for you think past twelve seconds? Also, snowflake coming from someone like you? The irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic people like you vote. P.s. you do realize you can't do shit to me right? So the tough guy act makes you look pathetic (you fucking walking cliche), only thing that would complete it is if you looked nothing like that picture 😂😂😂
30 kills you confuse humor with fear, not surprised coming from you (emotions are hard to differentiate). Also are you so dumb you can't understand when you use threatening language (what am I saying of course you are). But hmmm better gentics than me, something tells me to be highly skeptical of that 😂. And no I'm "triggered" (honestly do you have a vocabulary past 2016), because Larry is a disingenuous prick, nothing more nothing less. Also, it's good that you can think hard enough to answer at least something (to bad it was one I cared least about), so maybe you can answer this, you do know that soy products are better for you than animal products right? But I'm sure you didn't, and instead of engaging with what I said you'll beat on your chest as if that means something 😂😑
What I love about Dave is that in the years since, he’s talked about how the production team knew he got mopped up and said “it’s ok, we’ll cut that out” and he said “no. We’re going to leave it in. Just because it’s different or better, doesn’t mean we cut it”
To an outsider living in Europe, the whole "racism" thing in the US seems so weird. I have a feeling that a prime reason for the debate being kept alive might be that certain groups (SJW-types among others) _keep on talking about it_ for purely political reasons.
Racism was severe in the US before 1970. This was the afterglow of the Civil War, which hadn't really been resolved 100 years after its end. So Mr. Elder is right, that "systemic" racism may be minimal, but cultural memories, of both blacks and whites, persist. It has not even been two generations since Jim Crow.
I would say racism was severe *some* places in the US before 1970. Other places it wasn't as bad. Walter Williams, for example, talks about the culture shock of going from Philadelphia to the south after he joined the Army. So even in the mid-1950s, there were places in the north and east where racism wasn't nearly the issue it still was in the south. Not to say it didn't exist in the north, but it was not so extreme and not pervasive, so much easier to work around. If racism had been as bad nationwide as it was in the South, Robert Heinlein would not have been able to sell novels with black secondary characters or biracial marriage, which he certainly did (Tunnel in the Sky, published in 1955, or Podkayne of Mars in 1963, for instance). Not to say Heinlein's attitudes were typical, because they were not -- but they were certainly tolerated, and he was widely read and popular -- he is one of the Big Three when it comes to science fiction authors of the second half of the 20th century (the other two being Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke).
Arnold Thomsen: You clearly have been listening to some Southern revisionists. They claim the South revolted to preserve their "rights", and claim that as a "States' Rights" position. But one then must ask, what rights are we talking about? The response was always, "Our rights in property." One would then ask, "What property are we referring to?" The response was always, "Our Peculiar Institution (slavery)". The claim that the war was not about slavery is bogus.
Shalom: Were you alive in the 1960's? I was. I lived in suburban Detroit.The city of Detroit emptied of white people around that time. The primary reason was racism. This was not a secret, and was in fact openly discussed. I was told, as a seven year old, that when blacks moved in, property values dropped. I had no idea what property values were when I was seven, but I got the idea it was bad. My parents and surrounding adults supported George Wallace, the proclaimer of, "Segregation forever!"
Tyler Potts I'm working in a school district thats really trying to see what we can do better to promote the success of blacks and Latinos as those are the minorities in our demographic. Sometimes people point out that minorities have scholarships tailored just for them, that universities and colleges are prioritizing them...for my learning what would you say is systematically wrong with public education that we need to be aware of as far as how it contributes to the lack of opportunities for minorities? I do believe there are times where teachers hold lower standards for minorities, but that's a person issue not a systemic one.
@Kevin Green, it's probably because Larry Elder isn't a collectivist idiot. Nor is he a black supremacist,unlike you. He thinks for himself and doesn't let skin color dictate his reasoning. He also does not promote victim-hood and it looks like you're pissed because you think you are entitled to being a baby.
Man Larry tore him up! But also respect Rubin for reflecting and learning. I thought I noticed something different in him lately. I love the way Larry does not back down or shy away, he comes armed with intellect, knowledge, logic and is rational.
I always liked Dave Rubin when he was a liberal, but not because of his beliefs (which I disagreed with). But because he was brave enough to listen to, and engage people with opposing points of view. Now I really love Dave Rubin, because he is brave enough to admit he was wrong, and done a "almost 360. Although the still has some liberal ideas, I think he identifies as a libertarian.
guy That was the best part about this debate. Rubin didn’t have an answer and didn’t pretend he knew better. Nothing worse than someone knowing they didn’t have an answer but still dig their heels in to save face. Much respect to Rubin for that.
Oh how I agree with Larry Elder about the #1 problem in the US. Its not immigration, its not the deficit, its not Donald Trump. #1problem is absent Dads. By far. No problem can be addressed without this problem being resolved.
There is no #1, slippery slope isn't a fallacy. Education system, family, culture and a plethora of other things have lead to our current state. Kids need fathers that have fathers, even now if some men were fathers, they'd be going at it blindly like virgins having sex after watching porn. Sure you'll figure it out but trying to stick your thumb up a womans ass and learning too late how to apply disciple have vastly different consequences.
Life form: I whole heartedly disagree. Immigration is not ANY problem at all. The number of immigrants total is simply not enough to make major economic changes. Remember also that the US has a net loss of Mexicans since the Great Recession.
Life form: The basis of Libertarianism is that everyone should be free to do whatever they want, unless it impinges on the rights of others. "Rights" are defined as one thing: everyone has a right to their own person, and a right to the products of their own effort. Nowhere in that equation is there an ability to exclude some other human from anywhere except one's personal property. BTW, the demographics of the US are heavily dependent on immigrants. The US population would be shrinking, as it is in Japan and Europe, with immigration. Those inflows of workers are the ones who are going to support Social Security in the next 50 years. Without them, SS will be bankrupt.
Life: It is almost impossible for immigrants to the US not to adopt the ways of Americans. That is because of the very, very attractive nature of life in the US as a law abiding citizen. Drug cartels can function in places with low investment in society, where crime can seem to pay. But once there is a way open to wealth with honest toil, criminal activity loses. Already, street corner drug dealers make less than minimum wage.
Larry Elder is an intellect truly worthy of his surname. If only more black Americans would listen to this man without disqualifying his view points because it doesn't fit the victim mentality. Learn history, folks. Study and read Dr. King's infamous words. He wanted meritocracy (meaning: You're judged by what you do), not to point fingers at others and demand free stuff. That wasn't his dream AT ALL... In fact, were he alive today, he'd be absolutely disgusted with the regression going on in black culture, but may find solace in the fact that strong black men like Mr. Elder are carrying his dream forward.
James Gall stop generalizing African people. You don't have a clue what kind of conversations are had. This mans ideas are whispered in liberal Universities and across the dinner table. Intellectually, Africans do not think unilaterally.
You just generalized black people after you told this guy not to generalize about black people.... what the fuck man. Listen and learn before you speak.
In 2017 Dave Rubin was asked which moment had the highest impact in changing his mind on politics throughout his career at the rubin report. His answer was, when Larry Elder challenged him on systemic racism. This clips shows this moment from Jan. 2016.
Where was Dave asked that?
Glad I stumbled across this, it was actually ME who asked him that, on one of his Facebook Live Q&As for his Patreon donators. Might have actually been end of last year, possibly this year though
Rubin Report has come a long way. :) His sincere question and answers with people from both parties is why, if I have liberal friends, I tell them to watch his stuff. Inoculates them from becoming idiotic far left anarchists. Thank you Dave. :)
Was going to say roughly what Barry said just with the difference that I did not ask the question. But if you go through some of his stuff he does talk about it and more than once I think.
James Tyler The far left doesn't lead to anarchy, it's socialists. Anarchists actually lean right at this point in history, if they understand what anarchy is (an absence of rulers), because at least for now the right is about preserving freedoms and demanding personal responsibility instead of collective responsibility. The rest of your post is good. Rubin is a good way to introduce leftists to conservatives without beating them over the head with a Ben Shapiro logic stick that they won't understand and will therefore ignore.
I love how Elder did not let Rubin off the hook that easily! He's great.
Are you serious..this guy hates his own people self hating ass ni**a is not trusted in our community
@@KCampbell13 Mann as black person stfu my nigga.
@@KCampbell13 For liberals it seems to be that respecting people means regarding them as victims. Elder does exactly the opposite. I'm Hispanic and I'm not a victim. That's the conservative way.
K Campbell self hating? You sound stupid. You must be black
Elder very generously gave Rubin an opportunity to make his case. We conservatives are always falsely accused of wanting to "silence" people, when in reality the opposite is the case. We want them to take responsibility for stating exactly what their data and logic lead them to believe and assert. And then we can put these ideas to the test and see if they can stand up to scrutiny.
Rubin deserves some major respect for being so open minded and fair. Regardless on if he was right or wrong, he listened to what the opposition had to say, pondered it, then considered applying new information to his worldview. Most people from either end of the political spectrum are unwilling to do this. Mad respect
Not really, he comes across as supine, intellectually shallow and even a bit obseqious. If he were smart, he'd have gone away and done further research and listened to both sides of the argument *fully* before making an informed decision. The way he changed his mind so quickly gives the impression he's probably fickle and indecisive and likes to change his mind often. Watch him on Joe Rogan, he was laughable.
Completely agreed!
I don't care how he came across. The point is that he was open minded enough to allow a superior argument to change his mind.
I agree. He showed a lot of maturity and open mindedness. Even if your ideas maybe wrong it's more important how you respond to new or opposing sides that make you more understanding. It's awesome.
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If liberals (or at least what passes for a liberal in 2018) went out, did research, listened to both sides and made an informed decision, then CNN & MSNBC would have gone bankrupt. I don’t think most of today’s liberals could survive such a traumatic experience...information...both sides...that’s crazy-talk...
You expect a white male liberal to refute a black man? Of course you do, because he is arguing that systemic racism isn’t the biggest issue in the black community. Lol.
People who attack Larry by calling him an Uncle Tom are just too blind to realize he is trying to help black people.
Bobby B bullshit, Larry don't stay in the south. If he lived in Alabama during my mother's time. He would know better but it's sad he don't. Larry talks so much shit. His day is coming. That kid didn't have a chance. That kid was shot down. Rice was rolled up on. Larry is talking to a dummy. White women benefit more from affirmative action. Larry should know better. When, no fathers are in homes. Have Larry heard that some child support judges, do more damage to black men. Welfare more white benefit from welfare. The wealthy benefit off some form of welfare. Larry got his nose so far Republicans ass so he can get ahead. All this game playing to be successful. He grew up in the 60s 😂what a joke. I wished you were in Mississippi or Alabama. Maybe you wouldn't have been born. Maybe the police would have hung his dad or something or beat his mother, raped her. Dick Gregory said this once... "it was so easy for people to stay up north and talk shit! I was there! I know what those white people will do to you! They will kill you!" (Dick was shot will marching for human rights) Larry has never stood for anything other than bashing his own. When wrong is being done, it's the black man or women fault for being black, raped, beaten, hung, shot in America. That's Larry's way of thinking.
Have i told you the definition of insanity? Majority of black community at inner city vote for Democrats over decades, and things in their neighborhoods are getting worse and worse, but they are keep doing the same thing over and over again to expect different result. You call them blind?
Let's get the facts, let's see some sites representing your statement.
The black community in general doesn't want help or facts explained to them.
Chief 91 yeah there are more white people on welfare because there are MORE whites in America. but percentage wise blacks use welfare more.
I'm Canadian. But holy smokes I just got schooled. This guy has more brains and smarts than he knows what to do with. We need more of this guy.
What did u get schooled in?
Can Mr Elder visit South Africa and speak to them
He has a radio show.
@Sock Cucka To answer your question and the one above, we Canadians don’t have your history of slavery, hence we don’t have a large black population or the related social problems that programs like the Great Society were meant to address. (Not that we don’t have social problems of our own.) And because we live so close to you, we get a lot of our news from the US media which has been pushing the systemic racism narrative. For those of us who have might have bought into that narrative, Larry Elder's arguments are eye opening.
@@erikpaterson1404 I second that.
Chinese person here, never experienced racism until social justice happened
let me guess, some Chinese people rode the SJW wagon, thus created negative perceptions about other Chinese people?
My guess is some White Guilt-laden busybody made assumptions about him/her because of their being Chinese. I know I keep hearing "woke" people say some really bigoted shit.
My guess is that the SJW's are trying to recruit the asians for their cause but most are too reserved. imo asians just deal with shit and just hope for the best
NyCJT62 even better, historically Asians don't hope for the best, they take life by the horns and make their children's future HAPPEN.
You obviously don't know about groups like the Hmongs in America. Not all Asian groups are successful. And, just as you guessed, you can trace their success when they come to money and education.
At 21, I despised Larry Elder, and the things he said.
25 years later, after living, and growing the hell up, I completely understand.
There can be no advancement in any area of life, until one accepts total responsibility for his/her life.....
Jason Richardson same in my life.
18 is too young to vote
That is so refreshing to hear! I only wish more people (of all shades) were willing to hear him and not write him off the way they do. Elder is the living embodiment of Dr. King's dream for meritocracy.
Yes the great Reverend Dr. MLK jr. Spoke greatly of a better future for his brethren, but also at the same time said racist things against white people, and I understand his anger, if anything, hearing him speak his anger as well as his love shows his capacity to preach the better one, and keep the harsh words behind closed doors. Wiretap recordings showed a flawed man preaching love, which is why people can relate to him deeply. Larry Elder's conservative philosophy on life is similar to Nietzsche's overman of overcoming the strife of one's self issues. forged in fire, coming out stronger. That type of mentality builds the strongest framework for a man's mind. for the happiest work/love/life balance. Responsibility and holding up to those promises build the type of person you want to be. and that rings true for any merit based system built with freedom of thought as a core tenet.
Jason Richardson
Now you are my hero !
Free your mind and your ass shall follow !
Respect
Jason Richardson I was 1 of those also brother. I’d still never call myself a Republican or conservative but I’ll still be friends with 1 depending on that individual and embarrassing as it has been for me to admit if I want the truth about anything from why someone got shot, if a certain politician no matter the party is good or bad, if a certain popo is a racist or not or on why our society is the way it is now I mostly only trust those like these 2 men. When I was younger I wouldn’t have really listened to what they said and just assumed they were liars that probably grew up wealthy and luckier than me and shielded from a lot of the bullshit some of us had to suffer through and witness while most the so called adults responsible for our bad childhood blamed the system or racism for the outcome of their choices. Some of us got a fucked start but a lot of it wasn’t the system it was our elders who usually had it worse than us but with less knowledge than we’ve been given especially with technology now and we are way worse people than our parents were if we continue this cycle but to many now don’t want to admit it and not take the easier victim route.
Dave: "Ok, you destroyed my argument, let's move on"
Larry: "Hold up, I'm not done owning you yet!"
When Dave was asked what moment changed your life, he said and I quote: _"when an older black gentleman forcefully penetrated my ass with his arguments. It was painful but I enjoyed it"_
Satch Boogie, hahaha you windup merchant. And I quote hahaha
More like Rubin didn't even prepare any examples
Thing is Dave didn't make that admission, that's why Larry kept pushing.
Tony Montana who is larry elder trying to emulate an average white man or average black man.....is trying to use a vernacular of sean hannity or sean combs....although combs is more succsesful...elder does not represent what it is to be the average black man he is not in contact with his own people.
Who's watching in 2020 amidst the recent BlackLivesMatter riots?
Rational, read-in folk like Larry restore my faith in humans.
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The communist black lives matter organization and ANTIFA are 2 of the most dangerous organizations in America. Nothing is threatening our way of life more than these 2 groups.
# Blue Lives Matter
# All Lives Matter
Reposting it ... FACTS should matter!
Me
Shout out to all the men who work everyday to fulfill their fatherly duties. We are still here.
"we incentivised women to marry the government" Wow, that right there is a brutally honest truth. Brilliant.
Steven Morahan this is true; however, what should be the focus is the black family structure. Or the family structure period for that matter.
One thing he didn’t speak on- and many don’t-are the Willie Lynch Letters that unfortunately set the stage for this behavior. I suggest EVERY white person to read them and consider the current state of the Black race in America. You will then come to a state of understanding-at least I would hope.
Christina Schimp not heard of the letters before but I'll certainly seek them out and read. Thanks.
Steven Morahan Only because too many men lacked incentives. Women shouldn’t be tied to anyone, but it’s better to have a social safety net than force women to remain in relationships to theirs and their children’s detriment.
exactly, women need their own financial independence, men and marriage do not provide security or stability
Break up the family unit = more power to the government
This is what it's like being a black guy now-adays, everybody is trying so hard to convince us that we're oppressed. Leave me alone please i'm intelligent enough to think for my self.
well said mate.
DJSbros yes sir you certainly are!
hear hear
DJSbros just the libtards. Everybody's oppressed according to 'progressives' , except if you are a white male, then you can go to hell
DJSbros White conservatives support you. Time for more black men to break free of the political and economic shackles put on them by liberal Democrats.
To his credit, Rubin totally owned his shortfall here.
He claimed this as his real awakening moment.
@@frozenkiltAnd you have to respect that. He was told by everyone that being compassionate and not being a racist meant that you had to believe "this." Larry challenged his views, backed it up with facts, and Dave was open-minded enough to actually listen. After some consideration, Dave changed his mind.
Chunk yogurt would've just screamed at him, left a stain on the chair, and stormed out.
@@jeffisaliarchunk yogurt LMAO
This is why I LOVE Dave Rubin. I think this is probably the first time in my life I saw someone change a closely held political opinion upon hearing new information on the topic. This is what we need more of. On both sides.
Luke Gedrimas Look up Cassie Jaye and the Red Pill documentary.
Also look at her media interviews and how they treat her
Dave Rubin is the epitome of what a Liberal should be and is meant to be. This new wave regressive Liberalism is a fucking poison. They shouod take some advice from Rubin.
It's so refreshing to see people of two completely opposing views sit down and TALK. Not shout and scream.
Their minds are so open that their brains have fallen out
Kill All Liberals Would you care to elaborate on how we're all regressive? You don't even know where I stand apart from "Left". But I'm positive there is a vast amount of variations of opinion on both sides of the spectrum. So if you could explain how it would be smashing.
I am always impressed with people who can back up their arguments with facts and statistics at the tip of their fingers.
Yep, Larry obviously has done his homework.
Wolf many social studies have proven that blacks and other ethnic minorities are less likely to get a call back. Studies also show that name discrimination is also a thing to. People with white sounding names are more likely to get a call back eg shaniqua vs Shannon or mohamed vs Edward.
SJW BS
It truly is the closest thing to actual magic that human beings are capable of. To be able to make points that clearly and concisely, while also using statistics to support your argument is incredibly powerful.
@Wolf
It's important, but so too are the sources and the context in which said data/information is presented. All-too-often, data and statistics are used as a rhetorical device to skew perceptions. There's always more to the story than just the numbers.
Rubin got trounced in this one, but in time he had the humility to actually bounce back and change his perspective to rely more on facts and less on bias. Respect.
Billy Bob Thornton yeah it takes guts to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong, especially when it comes to things that represent core values.
No I think Rubin was ready to be wrong. Rubin is a new conservative and will be wrong in order to get his views. Rubin also obviously didn't do his research or was caught off guard and perhaps didn't try hard enough. A lot of the left is wrong and hyperactive but that's not to say there are some issues facing the black community as a result of racism (ie wealth)
fjoolololol "rubin is a new conservative" LOL no. Just because you've been communicated by the left, doesn't mean you're conservative. He's a new part of the center-right... and that's not conservative... That's why he's pro abortion, anti death penalty etc.
Stop talking out of your ass, kid.
I'm not talking out of my ass. Also stop putting in random comments as insults. A new conservative qualifies as center-right.
fjoolololol center right does not a new conservative make... and yes, you are talking out your ass. NEOCONS are not C/R.
OMG Dave... watching you try not to swallow that giant red pill.... Priceless. Gotta love Larry Elder - one of America's best ambassadors.
i witnessed this during the actual interview. It was GREAT.
Larry Elder is awesome
Carlos Garcia does Dave Rubin live stream these?
i think so, but i didn't watch it live. It was a new interview at the time and I was watching it like any normal interview. And then Elder leaves Rubin awestruck with his piercing logic.
It's a priviledge to see a real redpilling happening.
His talk with Sam Harris was similarly rife with compelling insights.
Ignorant people resort to insults when something upsets them because they don't want to believe they are wrong. FKN LOL
and this is why you have to respect rubin, he admits when he is wrong.
I would love to see Larry Elder debate one of the Black Lives Matter people.
formerib Lets not think ALL of the people affiliated with the group are drunk, incompetent with low IQ. Since anyone can join the protests, you are bound to get people who just want to be there. The founders of the group dont reflect low IQ. One is a director of an organization focused on helping incarcerated people and their families. The other works as the special projects director of the National Domestic Workers Alliance and the other is a executive director of an organization focused on Black and Latino immigrant rights. People who are affilated or join in the protests arent all black either.
Who is that?
J.A Brown Maxine Waters is a U.S. Representative for California's 43rd District
J.A. Brown they’ll probably just shout rhetoric and shout “you’re an Uncle Tom!” a bunch. Because they won’t have anything of value to bring to the conversation
Joel Smith They just yell labells/incoherent chants and make up ridiculous notions to support their political agenda. They dont listen to facts or reason. Society is doomed if this liberal ignorance continues.
Always loved Larry Elder, because he is honest, open minded and fair. Loving Dave Rubin because he is so open minded, honest, and always ready to listen and hear truth. Great interview
Dave Rubin is unprepared and out of his league. Nothing to love about him.
You should take a look at Larry's second appearance on the Rubin Report. Dave details that his perspective on the matter changed when Larry challenged him in this episode. He frequently has people like Larry on his show that challenge his beliefs and perceptions and is not afraid to admit when a guest has changed his mind or forced him to look further into an issue that, as you say, he is "unprepared" to discuss.
That's a quality to be respected in my opinion.
I swear TH-cam deletes as much Larry Elder videos as they can bc they are terrified of how much sense he is making. Rubin's mind was blown. Elder is one of my favorite people of all time and I truly look up to him.
This gave me chills. The problem with Larry’s stone cold facts is that you need an audience who is willing to listen. This dude just broke down how we escape “oppression,” meanwhile, we’re out here marching the streets demanding justice. Great job!
Systemic racism?
Look up ==>
Nixon Ehrlichman Drug War
Nixon Haldeman Drug War
Dave was strolling peacefully through the magical land of feelings when he tripped and stumbled in to the dangerous world of facts...
The reason this went over so well is that Larry was uninterrupted as he made his statistical points. Usually if someone goes on mainstream tv points like these get edited or the interviewer interupts without listening. It's to Dave Ruben's credit that he listened and wasn't emotional during the discussion.
Larry made some important points, but Rubin is only there to interview and ask questions, not debate. There were zero advocates present to push back against Larry's narrative.
Jesse And what would be the push back to Larry's statistical facts? The only thing you can really argue would be the underlying causes, regardless, the media clearly misleads the public.
RunDCM
It’s the proper way to conduct an interview.
Larry's great he and Jordan Peterson would make mince meat of Michael Dyson.
Yes.
and I wish Lary didn't get so emotional/demanding.
We need this conversation now, the assumption of systemic racism is going too far
No shit!
Larry's most powerful technique here, is not allowing the host to just move the conversation along after being owned. He simply said "your example is hollow, give me another example". And, of course, he had none.
in2food This is what us trained in law do. Lay people should adopt that technique. Never ever let go. Discredit your opponent.
I learned it in sales. Ask a tough question and then just shut up. That awkward pause and silence from the other party is powerful.
J T so basically it's a technique of pushing your own agenda, and not one to getting to the truth of the matter. No wonder a lot people feel like there's no justice anymore.
No One It's not pushing your own agenda. It's forcing them to consider their opinions on topics. If you just allow someone to move on after their reasoning has been refuted then you won't change their mind. By forcing them to dwell on it you force them to make a change
No One Not really. It is forcing people to consider their own opinions PAINFULLY hard and honestly. People will avoid questioning their own convictions because this is uncomfortable. They will try to move to another topic. You have to stop them. It is not only for their benefit to face discomfort but it is mostly for the benefit of anyone who listens and feels that they havent really got to the bottom of an issue because the interviewer was allowed to swiftly move on. Yoh dont want the conversation to be shallow. Exploring a topic takes time and effort and this must be seen in a conversation. Conversations in the 21st century are like fast food - quick and insubstantial. You dont get to the bottom of the matter in a short time and skipping on the surface of a problem!
2:25 "You have a city that's 45% Black, City Council is 100% Democrat, the majority City Council is Black, the top cop at the time was Black, the number two cop was Black the majority of the command staff was Black, the mayor is Black, the AG is Black, and yet here we are talking about racism. It's absurd. It's absurd."
OK. I'm convinced.
Ahnootha Luhva Really convinced or Colbert convinced?
Really convinced. And impressed.
Ahnootha Luhva the day after the Dallas shootings when a racist black man shot and killed so many cops, and I heard the black president, in front of the black police chief. And the president spoke about how blacks are oppressed and there is racism, I screamed at my radio..... this's narrative from the left is horseshit.
wendef ung because blacks cannot bring themselfs to take responsibility for their actions they have to blame some outside force for their failings.
Well that's true but the playing field is not equal. The financial cost of education is mushrooming out of sight.
Say what you will about liberals, but Dave Rubins is a very respectful liberal who actually attempts to listen to the other side
Rubin has given those who are critical of the left a platform to express doubt about the nature of the left. These interviews would be much better if he pushed backed a little more, but I suspect he is unprepared and unwillingly to do so because this format has garnered him subs and likes. I wish he was more honest and open.
MIvarsson99 Have anything other than insults to make your argument from emotion pal? You know, facts, statistics, those kinds of pesky things that stand in the way of a narrative?
Eli Herr that’s because he knows conservatives are the correct side.
MIvarsson99 David Pakman lol.
IDK if he's a liberal. He's jello.
Larry Elder is wonderfully pointing out the facts. I became a conservative when I stopped relying only on my feelings and started using my brain to evaluate the facts.
You deserve applause for doing so!
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In case anyone gets confused halfway through, Dave is the one theoretically interviewing Larry, not vice versa.
lol
Amaravi Yup, I had to watch for a moment to figure out who's show it is.
It was Daves fault because he made some assertions that (when asked) he couldn't substantiate (systemic racism) If you are an interviewer, you should stick to asking the opinion of the interviewee, not imply your opinion is a generally accepted fact (American has systematic racism today) and then try to change the subject when backed into a corner.
To Daves credit, he did admit that maybe he was wrong once he realized that he really had no evidence for his opinion (other than "everyone just knows this is true" )
I'd say he's doing a pretty good job if the interviewee is talking more than the interviewer. Otherwise it's just a questioning session
Dave is a great interviewer, he at least had a conversation with his guests
Holy shit that was some epic truth dropped by Larry Elder. I'm genuinely in awe.
It's very rare that a host is schooled on his own program... and still airs it, warts and all. Ive always been a Larry Elder fan, this day I became a Dave Rubin fan
Larry Elder is a blessing to this country. Thank God for him and his great mind.
Lewis Edwards Dr. Elder prescribing red-pills like they are candy. Good job Larry!!!!!
Read one of his books, an incredibly fun read!
Also give probs to Dave Rubin for realizing, admitting that he's wrong and changing his mind
Busherino LoL Very true, which is why I love Rubin
I am becoming a fan of Larry Elder! He inspires me.
Elder is a true American
What exactly is a"true American" in your view?
He fight for the rights of every man
@@figtowers1194 Someone who speaks based on data instead of feelings.
Brutal. One fact after another clearly and concisely expressed. Kudos Larry. Well done, sir.
xtop23 except when he said that it is easier to get a loan when you are poor. That's just not true.
Alvaro Neto it is true. The level of loan and interest rates are debatable.
Getting a loan to go to school is easier...
the guy can run circles around most including myself, i know what i want to say but i have a hard time getting the words out sometimes.
xtop23 ha would you rather be born black or white in america??? And be honest.....point proven.
This was an absolutely incredible interview. If only we could show this in our schools. Must give a salute to Mr. Rubin for being reasonable and open minded.
Larry Elder is brilliant. Dave Rubin are one of the very few liberals willing to have to the discussion
Tranquilo any black with a brain is an Uncle Tom, larry, Morgan Freeman ben Carson etc
Lol Ben Carson.. BEN CARSON!?!?
Luke Wykman lol not really. Most liberals are not willing to have a discussion. Why? Because the Left has shifted to identity politics, and social justice. Which means, to even have these discussions is an act of racism. They have a very clear line drawn in the sand of what is moral and wrong. You are either with us, or against us. I have seen so many Liberals who call Larry Elders a racist. And to even sit down and have a conversation with him, would be to give a racist a platform to spread his hate.
That is pretty much the doctrine for most liberals today. This idea of “preventing” things. Which is why so many liberal youth, are turning towards Marxism/ and censorship. This idea of safe spaces, trigger warnings. It’s all about “prevention” of bad things from ever happening. And this is counterintuitive to having these discussions. Because they dont even want these discussions to be had (since the very act of talking about these things, is an act of racism or oppression).
Mar00f you do know the guy is a brain surgeon? Like, one of the best in the world. The guy might not have good social skills/ common sense. But to say he doesn’t have a brain is ignorant. He clearly does.
The reason De facto terrorists groups, aka Antifa, are used is directly because of this fact; through rational discussion, sane liberals are waking up to the regressive left's bullshit. In so doing, they dissent to the only other option (based on the false left/right dichotomy).
Therefore the left, like a panicking cornered animal, is desperately trying to close their leaking reservoir of dissenters by shutting down said open discussions all together - even if it hurts them.
I wonder why I never heard of this guy in Britain ? Imagine the uproar his views would cause ! I guess the truth really does hurt
Myname is Myname is Probably because he's talking about black American issues, wouldn't really translate well over here
I've never heard of him either.... If say most people I know have never heard of him..... Actually either of these guys. Now that I'm thinking about it, a lot of Americans don't really care much about any world problems
@@salb5610 yet the British media constantly cover black American issues with a narrative sympathetic to black lives matter
Sara Check actually it would translate perfectly. Do u live in Suffolk or something? Blacks /leftists here hold the exact same victim mentality as those in the US. At least in London
@@jonjohn855 You should look up Thomas Sowell, Jesse Lee Peterson, Walter E. Williams, and Allen West just to start off with. There are a lot of black conservatives in the States and Canada. Oh, and do tune into Candace Owens.
I've never seen a red pill so smoothly administered. Pepe would be proud.
PianoDreams Praise Kek....
Praise Kek
PianoDreams Well put
What does Pepe have to do with it?
you /pol idiots are just as cancerous as SJW's
I hadn't seen this interview before, I'm here because of Dave's book ( Don't burn this book) and his honest recall of this moment. It's a great credit to his fortitude and honesty, that he's able to learn from these moments in his life and even more , to actually appreciate the lesson as a good life changing event. Major respect to both of them!
Systemic racism?
Look up ==>
Nixon Ehrlichman Drug War
Nixon Haldeman Drug War
Larry Elder is the man.
Red Pilling of the century
Zach Walker if you mean the disingenuous strawmaning of the century, I would agree.
hi names lael how so??
I didn't hear any strawmanning the whole video? Just a lay out of situations and data? Do you know what Strawmanning is?
VICTIM ALERT!!!
hi names lael come back and defend your statement. If you can. Of course he won't.
The intellect of this man is immense. The way in which he presents his arguments and backs them up with facts is truly impressive.
Everything Larry Elder called out in 2017 is sadly still relevant today as a response to BLM.
Worse, this was in 2016. He called it.....
You should listen to Thomas Sowell interviews from the 80s then.
Larry Elder needs to speak on every possible media forum. Imagine him going against that news anchor Lemon. Or better yet Oprah. He would melt their brains in front of millions of viewers.
CNN and MSNBC will never have him on. They sustain and proliferate their narrative by not allowing reasonable, dissident voices to have a forum. It's destroying the fabric of the this country and the solidarity of its people. We no longer look at each other as fellow Americans anymore, we judge each other instantaneously based on our race, ethnicity, and subjective identity.
Michael Kelley: Sadly, you are absolutely correct. Our news media use to be the the public's watchdog. Now they are the Leftist's attack dog.
Exit Only check out Larry Elder Vs. Piers Morgan
Thanks, I have to do that.
EDIT: I did. He was magnificent, though I wish he would have answered Pier's question about Rachel's competency directly, even though it was an irrelevant question.
They stopped inviting him because he didn't confirm their narrative
"As a Liberal, I find myself sympathetic and wanting to defend the ""other""
Well, there's your problem. Defend Truth, not the "other" for the sake of them being the "other".
Very well said.
Agreed but this was years ago, Dave is better about this now - a great example that Liberals can see the light as it were.
GlassNation I believe this was in 2016
Ahh. My mistake. January 15, 2016. JUUUUUST barely 2016 haha. You win this one. My point remains though, the progress that Dave has made in recognizing and separating truth from fiction is one of the things that make me belive that liberals aren't completely out to lunch... not completely.
As an attack helicopter I find myself sympathetic and wanting to defend the other combat vehicles against the hordes of liberal thugs r/physical_removal
Larry ELDER SCROLLS are full of wisdom!
But if you're not fully prepared to absorb the knowledge, they will blind you!
It's the reverse IRL - you were blind until you read the Larry Elder Scrolls, but now you can see!
Akira Mishtokaru BUT there is one they fear, in there tongue, he is: 'Uncle tom' LOGICAL!
COM MON SENSE!
The problem is SJW's have a "100% Resist Knowledge" racial ability.
Makes sense since he's the Sage of South Central.
We need more Larry Elder's in this country.
"We've incentivized women to marry the government..." wow, I've never thought of it that way.
THe leftist plan all along was to divide the family. Once you divide the family you can control the country. Democrats couldn't win anything if they didn't push division.
If we had more Larry Elders and less Al Sharptons in in this world, the black community might just have a prayer
Ri Lu the media hates Larry Elders but love is the Sharpton's.
The liberal media likes to paint all black americans as victims. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson cash in on it while slowing the progress of their own people. That is not to say that racism is dead in this country, but its not the 1920's.
And if they voted republican.
Another one of Larry's gems about the "woke"black culture "they don't want equal opportunity,they want equal results and that is completely wrong"... subsequent events of appointing completely unqualified people to high positions of responsibility and authority illustrate this completely... the fact that some vote pandering govt officials endorse this unsustainable policy tells me the USA will never move forward
Denzel Washington watches Larry Elder interviews every time he needs to get into character for a new film.
SKINNY BUDDHA BOY the funniest comment I've seen on politics
😂 😂 😂
Hahahahahahahaahahahahahhaha
So are you mocking a successful black man? Sorry, I don't see the humor. I heard Denzel say a very similar thing. (paraphrase) "If there is not a father in the home, he (the young black male) will find a father in the street. And the prison will become his home."
Want to argue with that?
eddie willers Its a joke bro chill
"I know what they are saying. I'm talking about what the facts are." Legend
Can you ship a crate of red pills to Australia, we desperately need some. Larry Elder nails it. It's wonderful to listen to intelligent people.
Only if your media didn't sink each shipment, we could get to you guys.
Larry elder is like that uncle your teenage self hated but as an adult you love. Then you annoy the next generation together lol
He says black fathers missing are the cause of the issues, but lacks the critical thinking to understand that the things he named, history, and the drug war all take away black fathers and ruin black families. Apparently he missed to memo from the Nixon aide. This guy isn't an intellectual, he's a mental midget.
young ronin did you watch the whole video? He gave a very reasonable explanation...maybe you just don't wanna hear it.
young ronin you mean he forgot to make excuses for bad behavior....
+young ronin ~ you accusing him of missing issues means you really didn't watch or _listen_ to the whole thing. He said a very large reason for black fathers missing from families is the democrat-created welfare state. Democrats have been keeping black people down since the days of slavery, only now they do it by pretending to be friends to black people. By supporting democrats, _you're_ the uncle tom, not him.
Still hate him...hes a liar and practices white supremacy because of the self hatred he preaches.
Thomas Sowell & Larry Elder. Two men who get it.
Skinny Bones Jones uhhhhh no. Malcolm x did not get it. He was in favor of using violence to achieve his goals. You just made a case against your point.
Skinny Bones Jones you could have named hundreds of black American intellectuals, and you named Malcom X to double down your point. Lawlz.
If you think these two men get it, then you don't know what it is.
Skinny Bones Jones I can name many times, but to save some time-Copy and paste the name of all of history's peaceful protests here- trying to justifying violent protests is a tricky game my friend.
Skinny Bones Jones and no im not black, but check your identity politics at the door. Unless of course you are afraid of civil discourse and have to use a conversation ender like race.
This is probably my favorite clip on TH-cam
I like Dave Rubin. I think he is a decent, smart guy, even if he still drifts to the left. But Geezus, Larry Elder dismantles Rubin in this video. Dave Rubin gets obliterated by Elder. It was hard to even watch, yet the conversation was respectful in both directions. This is how it's supposed to be done.
What Dave Rubin is, more importantly than being liberal, is open-minded and fair. Finding a fair, open-minded liberal is becoming damn-near impossible these days.
It's because Rubin's premise was faulty. He wasn't on the right side, thus struggled to find arguments to support his premise. Larry dismantled that and showed him the errors of his ways, which can only happen through civilized discourse and an open mind from both sides.
M J, quite knit picking.
A progressive POS says I'm drunk? LOL An epic POS progressive. Well said, MJ.
MJ, I've seen how far it gets me. The US Presidency, the House of Representatives.and, the US Senate, and also the Supreme court. Thank you for your participation in that.. :)
Respect your Elder
I love this guy, so brutal in his argumentation.
Noah Lambert he's assertive. I would describe Shapiro as brutal. Like douchebag brutal, I don't care how much logic he can bring to the table
Agreed, he destroyed Dave and its sad to watch but it also makes me happy because Larry was actually able to change his mind.
Only thing I disagree with him on is Tamir Rice, he was like 10 years old and playing with a toy gun, I don't understand how anyone can defend the cop that shot him. I understand combatting the lies Liberals spread about police and supporting police officers but you have to call out the clearly bad ones. Besides that though, great video lol
Brutal is standing up & punching him in the face. This is emphatic, or vehement, SPEECH where the intensity is brought on by frustration.
@@hensonlaura You want to look up the definition of brutal? Nah, ok, I'll just give it to you here then. "-Savagely violent. -Punishingly hard or uncomfortable. -direct and lacking any attempt to disguise unpleasantness." Words aren't nearly as one-dimensional as you presume.
Larry Elder is a man of great integrity. He’s very intelligent, respectful and forthright. He knows his facts for sure! We need more men like him in our country!
Stumbled on this from UK. Larry Elder a new name on me but what a man, love facts & figures !
Ian Black check out Thomas Sowell
Same here. The MSM can no longer steer the narrative unchallenged
keith mcdowell because its Larry Elder... He doesn't nor has he ever made use of inaccurate data. He's a Black Man stating things about his race that other blacks and white liberals, with no interaction with blacks for the most part, would love to discredit him for saying. Errors and inaccuracies would be pointed out to make him go away. Plus I've looked some of the shit up. Truth hurts. Learn from it and make change.
How do you know anyone here is 'just taking his word for it'? How do you know we don't do our research and read up on these subjects as well?
Same 👍
Larry Elder is a national treasure.
I love how he went after him without mercy but not in a bad way. It was the perfect platform to challenge him. He had to listen and benefited greatly from it. It also brought down that ridiculous hair spiking.
Up in my recommended feed 7 years later. I finally see what Dave Rubin was like back in his democratic days. Unsure if this was before/during/after his Young Turk days. Interesting discussion. Larry Elder spitting facts back them every bit as able as he is doing nowadays. Impressive guy and good on Rubin for listening as well.
Those goes that Larry Elder again speaking factually and truthfully.
MIvarsson99 what are you talking about? Are you a teenager or something
MIvarsson99 *TROLL LVL 100*
mivassson99 " a sizable portion of the populace believes that larry elder is a racist, uncle tom shitbag' that's because a sizable portion of the populace are full of shit,like you. ,larry elder showed there is no systemic racism, but you would rather wallow in ignorance instead of listening and embracing the truth
MIvarsson99 you sound like an Uncle Tom to me.
MIvarsson99 LOLOLOL YOURE DUMB ASS SHIT! GO LOSE YOUR VIRGINITY DWEEB!
Larry elder does nothing but spit facts. Love it!
Oh how about the facts that Larry Elder didn't say. For example, Larry Elder continues to claim that there is no systemic racism right? This is why these shows are a waste of time. You pick a guy that doesn't know about systemic racism and pick Larry Elder that is a denier of the systemic racism. For example, he used the police right? Why didn't he talk about the holder study where it clearly showed that the police were violating black people's 4, 5, and 14 Amendment rights to close a budgetary shortfall charging innocent people with crimes they didn't commit? Why did he not bring up Jena 6 or the police officers that arrested a black man in McDonalds after he was attacked by 5 white men because they didn't want him dating a white woman? Why didn't he bring up the man who was sitting waiting for his kids, and got arrested while doing so? Why did he not bring up that 20/20 did a study and showed nationwide black people are 95% more likely to be pulled over by the police than white people and that black people who are not even driving are required to prove who they are. Can you explain that? Larry Elder is a shill and we know it.
Black Dynamite
Best handle ever!!
Ryooken
Respectfully, incidents of racism as abhorrent as they are does not mean systemic racism. Your conflating the two . Just like climate change does not mean weather . Mr Elder is discussing two very different situations .
We are not talking about individual incidents stemming from private citizens in and of themselves. We are talking about the violation of the Constitution when those that represent the law either through deliberate action or simply failing to apply the law due to racial bias engage in behavior that violate the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
We are talking about those in positions of authority engage in propaganda to sway public opinion to enforce racial bias that allow the changes to the laws that are harmful to the people of color. This is the current state of affairs and that has not changed. Larry Elder knows what systemic racism is but he is paid to say otherwise. We all know what oppression is. Most Europeans descended from people who fled oppression and don't need to be told what happens when the government mistreats their people at the behest of those in positions of power. We know the country was founded on racism white supremacy, that's not even a debate unless you are going to say that the founding fathers lied when they said what they were doing. So it would be odd that within the last 45 years that a country so founded would suddenly change and you still see examples of abuse and oppression.
For example, the largest beneficiaries of welfare are white people and black people were prevented from getting welfare until 1968. However, the anger engineered by the media of black welfare queens has been going on for 4 decades. 2 of those decades welfare to work was in place where you have the working poor. Now look at the history from 1968 to now.
White people who objected to blacks getting welfare despite paying into the system, created stipulations for black people as to what, and how that welfare could be obtained and or used. These same people were punished for using a system that was supposed to help them work their way out of welfare into a better life. Instead you had massive propaganda by the same people that didn't want black people to have welfare and that culminated in the welfare to work program. These same people only wanted the solution where welfare goes away and only white people would get welfare and you say there is no systemic racism. Just like you claiming global warming and climate change are two different things, instead of addressing the root cause that our actions are making the planet hotter and we are getting extreme weather because of it, which has fueled our last few decades of natural disasters.
It's called the scientific principle of cause and effect. You guys love to argue the effect while ignoring the cause. Now the other guy is just as guilty do you want to know why? Because people that call themselves liberals are benefiting from oppression too. So, they make weak arguments, not truly understanding the scope of the problem giving guys like Elder a platform to promote this racist agenda. So white people can use Elder's comments as a way to shout down anyone that can show the legitimacy of systemic racism which is the only form of racism there is. Everything else is bigotry and prejudice. Without the power to act, there can be no racism.
Ryooken
Respectfully Sir
Yes we are talking about individual acts which have occurred. Even if they are engaged in public service and are representatives of the state . Although the state can be held liable for the actions of their agents . It does not show institutional racism or bias .
Unless you have proof of an underlying agenda that is intentionally seeking to violate the Individual civil rights of people it is by its definition not systematic. Where is your evidence? Show me the agency that in the United States that has stated that they want to suppress the Constitutional rights of the people in the 21st century in America ,and I will be happy to fight it together with you . Shoulder to shoulder and side by side.
You make a claim that “We are talking about people In a “position of Authority “ who use propaganda to sway public opinion to enforce racial bias that allow changes to the law that are harmful to people of color. “
Which is an opinion you state as a fact .Without ever backing up the claim with any evidence of any kind .
Which people ? What authority?
Which laws ?
Are there some people who are prejudiced against blacks , Hispanics like myself or Asians . Yes of course.
There are always gonna be outliers and assholes who are like that .
But to state they’re in power is disingenuous at best .
As far as my comparison to Climate and weather they are two disparate things. Regardless of the cause and effect of climate changes .which is why I used the comparison.
Welfare has done more to destroy families since the 1960s than any other racist program ever with the possible exception of abortion. ( Founded by a racist to control the American Black population.by Margret Sanger .
“Knowledge of birth control is essentially moral. Its general, though prudent, practice must lead to a higher individuality and ultimately to a cleaner race... How are we to breed a race of human thoroughbreds unless we follow the same plan? We must make this country into a garden of children instead of a disorderly back lot overrun with human weeds.”)
The word “CONTROL “ is in the name of the program.
Oh and your right . One party Has systematically repressed and suppresd blacks by racism violence, control and murder.
They are called Democrats.
They are the racists of American politics along with the useful idiots communist and socialists .
President Lyndon Johnson just found and easy way to get the African Americans to follow the Party which has been keeping them down since the first slave ships dropped anchor in North America.
When he realized that he could bribe the African Americans whom they had spent the last 100 Years suppressing . He said “These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”
And also is quoted as saying.
“ I’ll have these
N*ggers voting Democratic for 200 Years . “
Congratulations, this is the welfare state that you are arguing for . Good job.
Do you actually think that Hillary Clinton from Illinois actually carries hot sauce in her bag and only “ casually mentioned it on a black radio station? Really?
And that her mentor Senator Robert ( Grand Wizard ) Bird changed his tune or hers ????
Yes there is propaganda being used in order to keep Black people marginalized.
It’s being used by the DNC and has been for a long long time sir.
You seem extremely intelligent and are obviously well spoken.
Take the Red pill and see what Morpheus ( Elder) is talking about. If you need to see a true example of systemic Racism looks like . It looks like the failed policies of Democratic Controlled Cities , with failed schools , social programs all controlled by the socialist teachers unions and leftist political hacks and the useful idiots of the socialists and collectivists who are the true oppressors of the communities who own you and your votes .
The only systemic racism I can see, is that you have to trot out a black guy just to say things that are logical.
Festering In The Crypt great point
I love Larry Elder. I love Dave Rubin. Watching this exchange unfold is one of the most honest moments captured on video.
Larry Elder Is brilliant. Nothing but facts and truth. Not to mention the incredible courage it has to take to not only be a conservative and shoot things straight forward with facts on a public level, but doing that as a black conservative. The ridicule and brainwashed hatred that is thrown toward black conservatives is abhorrent and it sickens me. Nothing but respect for a man who is willing to walk that line and walk it tall to stand up for what is right and what is true.
Is it legal for me to witness this murder.
Sir.Waffles The 3rd This isn't just a murder. Larry is resurrecting him.
Is it legal to witness murder and necromancy
I love you and this comment so much
My mind has officially been blown
America needs level heads like you Larry. Thanks for what you do so good.
My guy Larry elder knows so many Damn facts and numbers he can't hardly keep them in... Good stuff to your sir
thank you
Ooo Wee Baby! Why’s that your name 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"But you haven't laid out yours" was classic.
And it also highlights a problem with so many Republicans/conservatives - the failure to hold the left accountable when they lie or make a factually uncorroborated statement. The BS needs to stop and that won't happen unless the lies are exposed and the liars are publicly shamed.
I forgot how good this was. Seen it years back. Elder just on fire.
"the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 30 fatal shootings per million of the population as of June 2020." There are more white people than black. www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
One of the most powerful discussions ever on "racism" in America. Truly one of my favorites
How have I never heard of Larry before. This man is so great.
Larry Elder knows his shit, im so glad i learned about this awesome man.
Larry crushes this like a boss!
Will P clever
Larry Elder has a mind that operates on warp speed. Much credit also goes to Dave Rubin for listening and being so open minded. Most people (including myself) are often smug in the rightness of our own views and and do not listen. I am grateful for intelligent and sensible people like Mr. Elder and Mr. Rubin. Thank you.
God bless Mr. Elder.
Nice username
I want to see Colin Kaepernick debate Larry.
You mean you wanted to see Colin Kaepernick bent over and mercissely fucked up the ass by Larry Elder?
Lord Shaodeus Both don't disagree with each other, in fact, Colin has a camp teaching young black people their constitutional rights and de-escalation procedures.
The people that showed Kaepernick the most love throughout his entire life have been white people. Deal with it.
Oli.Vyae did that camp exist when Kaepernick was a superstar? or when he was bench warmer vying for attention? you noticed he donated the million dollars and got serious after he looked like he was full of shit.
kaepernick was put up for adoption after his black father left his white mother to raise him alone. Kaeprnicks own biological mother told him to be more aware and be more respectful. kaep is a clown. his haircut makes it obvious.
why didnt kaep do things for blacks when he was a superstar? why only when he was riding the bench did he start to care?
Oli.Vyae if kaep were white blacks wouldnt let his rich ass 'pretend he knows'
Larry for first real black president 2024
he's got my vote
and the key word here, imo, is REAL!!!
30 kills I'm fucking terrified of an idiot like him leading someone to a bathroom let alone a country
30 kills pffhahaha! Are you so unoriginal you could only resort to "me big, you soyboy." Fucking dumbass, tell me, how hard is it for you think past twelve seconds? Also, snowflake coming from someone like you? The irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic people like you vote.
P.s. you do realize you can't do shit to me right? So the tough guy act makes you look pathetic (you fucking walking cliche), only thing that would complete it is if you looked nothing like that picture 😂😂😂
30 kills you confuse humor with fear, not surprised coming from you (emotions are hard to differentiate). Also are you so dumb you can't understand when you use threatening language (what am I saying of course you are). But hmmm better gentics than me, something tells me to be highly skeptical of that 😂.
And no I'm "triggered" (honestly do you have a vocabulary past 2016), because Larry is a disingenuous prick, nothing more nothing less. Also, it's good that you can think hard enough to answer at least something (to bad it was one I cared least about), so maybe you can answer this, you do know that soy products are better for you than animal products right? But I'm sure you didn't, and instead of engaging with what I said you'll beat on your chest as if that means something 😂😑
What I love about Dave is that in the years since, he’s talked about how the production team knew he got mopped up and said “it’s ok, we’ll cut that out” and he said “no. We’re going to leave it in. Just because it’s different or better, doesn’t mean we cut it”
To an outsider living in Europe, the whole "racism" thing in the US seems so weird.
I have a feeling that a prime reason for the debate being kept alive might be that certain groups (SJW-types among others) _keep on talking about it_ for purely political reasons.
Racism was severe in the US before 1970. This was the afterglow of the Civil War, which hadn't really been resolved 100 years after its end. So Mr. Elder is right, that "systemic" racism may be minimal, but cultural memories, of both blacks and whites, persist. It has not even been two generations since Jim Crow.
The civil war was not about slavery, im danish and i know more about the civil war than you do, its fucking hilarious.
I would say racism was severe *some* places in the US before 1970. Other places it wasn't as bad. Walter Williams, for example, talks about the culture shock of going from Philadelphia to the south after he joined the Army. So even in the mid-1950s, there were places in the north and east where racism wasn't nearly the issue it still was in the south. Not to say it didn't exist in the north, but it was not so extreme and not pervasive, so much easier to work around.
If racism had been as bad nationwide as it was in the South, Robert Heinlein would not have been able to sell novels with black secondary characters or biracial marriage, which he certainly did (Tunnel in the Sky, published in 1955, or Podkayne of Mars in 1963, for instance). Not to say Heinlein's attitudes were typical, because they were not -- but they were certainly tolerated, and he was widely read and popular -- he is one of the Big Three when it comes to science fiction authors of the second half of the 20th century (the other two being Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke).
Arnold Thomsen: You clearly have been listening to some Southern revisionists. They claim the South revolted to preserve their "rights", and claim that as a "States' Rights" position. But one then must ask, what rights are we talking about? The response was always, "Our rights in property." One would then ask, "What property are we referring to?" The response was always, "Our Peculiar Institution (slavery)". The claim that the war was not about slavery is bogus.
Shalom: Were you alive in the 1960's? I was. I lived in suburban Detroit.The city of Detroit emptied of white people around that time. The primary reason was racism. This was not a secret, and was in fact openly discussed. I was told, as a seven year old, that when blacks moved in, property values dropped. I had no idea what property values were when I was seven, but I got the idea it was bad. My parents and surrounding adults supported George Wallace, the proclaimer of, "Segregation forever!"
*Respect... **_The Elder_*
"Richard Head" HA. I get it
He could have said Uncle Tom Uncle Tom !!
Larry Elder uses facts and moral authority to make his point. He is a good man that all races would do well to listen to.
AFAIK, there's just one race; everything else is just ethnic groups.
Steven Aguilera amen
Rubin could have simply made a counter argument of maybe the criminal justice and educational systems.
Tyler Potts I'm working in a school district thats really trying to see what we can do better to promote the success of blacks and Latinos as those are the minorities in our demographic. Sometimes people point out that minorities have scholarships tailored just for them, that universities and colleges are prioritizing them...for my learning what would you say is systematically wrong with public education that we need to be aware of as far as how it contributes to the lack of opportunities for minorities? I do believe there are times where teachers hold lower standards for minorities, but that's a person issue not a systemic one.
@Kevin Green, it's probably because Larry Elder isn't a collectivist idiot. Nor is he a black supremacist,unlike you. He thinks for himself and doesn't let skin color dictate his reasoning. He also does not promote victim-hood and it looks like you're pissed because you think you are entitled to being a baby.
Wow! Good for Dave Rubin for airing this. Larry Elder kicked his butt.
Man Larry tore him up! But also respect Rubin for reflecting and learning. I thought I noticed something different in him lately.
I love the way Larry does not back down or shy away, he comes armed with intellect, knowledge, logic and is rational.
I always liked Dave Rubin when he was a liberal, but not because of his beliefs (which I disagreed with). But because he was brave enough to listen to, and engage people with opposing points of view. Now I really love Dave Rubin, because he is brave enough to admit he was wrong, and done a "almost 360. Although the still has some liberal ideas, I think he identifies as a libertarian.
guy That was the best part about this debate. Rubin didn’t have an answer and didn’t pretend he knew better. Nothing worse than someone knowing they didn’t have an answer but still dig their heels in to save face. Much respect to Rubin for that.
guy i think you mean 180 degree. 180 means complete reversed direction. 360 its same direction but doing 2 turns.
You have to be. Being far left or far right will get you nowhere.
guy yea but Rubin specifically made the switch because now he makes a lot more money.
Or he didn't persist with his views because he did not know how to do it. He is not very intelligent.
Love Larry Elder !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Larry Elder is brilliant. His exposition and command of facts is superb. Rubin’s backpedaling is a wonder to behold.
Larry Elder is more epic than the entire Avengers, or whatever else passes for 'heroes' in our culture. Elder. And Sowell, too.
The Avengers aren't real , but if they were they would definitely be more epic XD
Amelia Doubleyou he's a real black panther!
Good for you Rubin for keeping this show open to new ideas even if they aren’t congruent with yours. Great show and I admire that aspect
Oh how I agree with Larry Elder about the #1 problem in the US. Its not immigration, its not the deficit, its not Donald Trump. #1problem is absent Dads. By far. No problem can be addressed without this problem being resolved.
There is no #1, slippery slope isn't a fallacy. Education system, family, culture and a plethora of other things have lead to our current state. Kids need fathers that have fathers, even now if some men were fathers, they'd be going at it blindly like virgins having sex after watching porn. Sure you'll figure it out but trying to stick your thumb up a womans ass and learning too late how to apply disciple have vastly different consequences.
Life form: I whole heartedly disagree. Immigration is not ANY problem at all. The number of immigrants total is simply not enough to make major economic changes. Remember also that the US has a net loss of Mexicans since the Great Recession.
Life form: The basis of Libertarianism is that everyone should be free to do whatever they want, unless it impinges on the rights of others. "Rights" are defined as one thing: everyone has a right to their own person, and a right to the products of their own effort. Nowhere in that equation is there an ability to exclude some other human from anywhere except one's personal property.
BTW, the demographics of the US are heavily dependent on immigrants. The US population would be shrinking, as it is in Japan and Europe, with immigration. Those inflows of workers are the ones who are going to support Social Security in the next 50 years. Without them, SS will be bankrupt.
Insignificant Life form I don't think the country will be overrun by Mexicans. it will be overrun..but by those who've overrun Europe.
Life: It is almost impossible for immigrants to the US not to adopt the ways of Americans. That is because of the very, very attractive nature of life in the US as a law abiding citizen. Drug cartels can function in places with low investment in society, where crime can seem to pay. But once there is a way open to wealth with honest toil, criminal activity loses. Already, street corner drug dealers make less than minimum wage.
To see Dave Rubin get educated and change his entire philosophy is so surreal. And he himself says it was Larry Elder that changed him.
all he needs is a black leather trench coat and some reflective glasses. dude is red pilling Dave hard
halffox102 Shaft!
Wonderboywonderings no morpheus
He is pointing out the hurtful truth, which losers don't like to hear.
Larry Elder is Fantastic, !! And gets it . I WISH others did.
Larry Elder is an intellect truly worthy of his surname. If only more black Americans would listen to this man without disqualifying his view points because it doesn't fit the victim mentality.
Learn history, folks. Study and read Dr. King's infamous words. He wanted meritocracy (meaning: You're judged by what you do), not to point fingers at others and demand free stuff. That wasn't his dream AT ALL... In fact, were he alive today, he'd be absolutely disgusted with the regression going on in black culture, but may find solace in the fact that strong black men like Mr. Elder are carrying his dream forward.
James Gall stop generalizing African people. You don't have a clue what kind of conversations are had. This mans ideas are whispered in liberal Universities and across the dinner table. Intellectually, Africans do not think unilaterally.
You just generalized black people after you told this guy not to generalize about black people.... what the fuck man. Listen and learn before you speak.
Also they are not talking about africans, since africans are from africa.
Well said.
James Gall That was beautiful and simply brilliant the way you wrote your piece. You are absolutely correct.
Awww I love Dave Rubin and Hes come so far! Reading his book now, he highlights this moment as being a turning point in his life and political views.