Mark E Smith on music, politics and refugees
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.พ. 2016
- They were the godfather of indie music John Peel's favourite band. "The Fall." he said, "Always different, Always the same." The 59-year-old front man Mark E Smith still crafts the group around his poetry.
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"Why did you want to be in a group?"
"I didnt" *picks nose*
RIP Mark. Never sold out. Stayed true till the end
SMILE!
yeh but he was an alcoholic who destroyed all of his relationships. Staying true isn't good for everyone around you nor yourself sometimes.
Rubbish music, rubbish lyrics. Totally pissed up idiot bloke, not worthy of anyone's attention.
Only because no one was interested in buying it!
I bet he didn't expect that honest answer about refugees! Mark E Smith THE greatest musician ever.
40 years as frontman of the best group ever and he still seems proudest of being a shipping clerk in his youth
Yes. Two feet firmly on the ground. I imagine he learnt a lot at that time, and iit served him well for the rest of his days. He knew he wanted more. He got it. He would have gone back to "proper" work, if he'd decided to. He gave no fucks in all the right ways. Still think we'd have clashed. Good job I'm a no talent. Our paths never crossed. Incredible artist. Difficult Sod. x
Steady job.
That’s why he was one of the greats ❤
Best group ever??? He was utterly talentless
@@skollybob stick to Coldplay then
A far more complex individual than the comments before tend to show. Mark E. Smith was not a nice man, this much is true. However, he was honest - brutally, so. His lyrical content was profound on many, perhaps most, occasions and he was, for better and worse, a true rebel - a true punk. He was a man addled by alcohol and 'demons' yet still managed to spew out more intriguing prose at his worst than most do at their best. You could call the man a national treasure and I'm sure he would agree, through a warped smile and sense of hilarity; subversion and a messy kinship to the past. A man of his time(s) that met his end on his own terms. Take that as you will. Personally, selfishly, I'll take some inspiration.
My favourite comment on the whole TH-cam
Ah, sad to see what decades of drink and drugs and women and rock and roll can do to a once bright and intuitive mind, Krishnan has lost it big time, Mark's still killing it though
+Tom Wilko - 10/10 mate :)
+Tom Wilko Beautiful!
+Tom Wilko drink, drugs, women and rock'n'roll sad? you must be kidding. Reaching 100 with unfulfilled dreams after a life of complete tedium and mediocrity is SAD. Dying in your twenties is SAD, not surviving decades of excess well into middle-age and beyond.
Rex Mundi you're preaching to the converted rex, not sure you fully got my comment. it was a silly joke taking the mick out of the interviewer. I truly believe the 'road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom' always have, one of the reasons i'm interested in Mark E Smith, though not the main reason
+Rex Mundi there's a point been missed dear lad, stop, back up...
Big respect from the Republic of Ireland thank you Mark 🇮🇪
I've been into The Fall recently and they've been great!
Rest in peace genius!
It's amazing how he says "...in my lunchtime-ah" like he's singing it!
We lost an original and unique talent today - thank you Mark for all the quirky songs
May God bless this man for all eternity.
Contrary to alot of comments on here I understood everything he said.
So did i.....The 10 bottles of Peroni Helped!
Because you're English? By the way it's 'a lot' not 'alot'. You're welcome 😉
You will never pin down Mark E Smith on his politics. My theory is he just enjoys pissing off anyone with an opinion.
otherwise i'd just call him an old fart who once sung '' who makes the nazis''' ...
He did.. never forget that.
I think he's old fashioned right wing Labour
Wasn't he in the Socialist Party?
I try to do the same.
"There are two sorts of people - those who have met Mark E Smith and those who like Mark E Smith" - Billy Bragg
+revol148 Billy Bragg is a liberal leftie who only believes in one thing: political correctness (moral cowardice and a tool of neo-fascism). Who wants to listen to Bragg caterwailing the labour party manifesto?
+pinkcampion Eat shite
+pinkcampion I agree with the first part of your comment although Bragg wrote some great songs in the mid 1980's if that is much of a defence for the fact that for the past 2 decades he's turned into a national treasure / Jeremy Corbyn supporting bore.I like the quote as I reckon it's kind of what I believe Mark E Smith is like in the flesh.
+revol148 I am the first type.
+Survive the Jive i never got the billy brag quest, he was always singing about northerners having a hard time, and then he got fat, too many Mars bars coated in batter. A Northern delicacy I've heard.
"Two Million man can beat any army" Mark E Smith knows the score.
He'd smell your Nazi-ness from a mile off.
@@StratsRUs Excuse me ? He just quoted Mark ..
It was a stupid comment, you need to arm and army etc.
he said 2 million fellas could be any effin army,, as in he thinks they could be getting ready to attack
Stephen Hawking's let himself go...
+IndependentGeorge76 Uncanny - give it a few more years and he will be a dead ringer for him!
+james atkinson hawking
+IndependentGeorge76 Brilliant, love it.
Damn you for beating me to this joke this way!
+IndependentGeorge76 That's the first thing I thought, too... an ugly Stephen Hawking!
God how we miss him. Such talent for a humble shipping clerk. His music and lyrics will live on forever
Farewell Mark E Smith. Thanks for your music 🙏
Loved the man, always did it his way, uncompromising and truthful, a solid citizen of art. should have been a mega star , miss his edge.
I like the Fall and Mark E Smith but I cannot imagine how in any way possible it that he could be a mega star.
He's spot on about the refugees
No he is not :D
@@kr3w4life45 he is
Don't meddle in their affairs, they won't come to you
The fact that u use the term refugee answers the question of why they don’t stay with their families like mark ponders lad
He was right about immigration👍 A Great song writer was Mark E Smith RIP🇬🇧✊🥃
RIP my friend... Music will never be the same.
I'll come back later and watch it again when I've had 10 pints, it'll feel like a more level playing field
Me interesa este Artista y lo que significa en la cultura Britanica, me encanta la música de The Fall un estilo único y diferente el sonido de Manchester de los 70s 80s , Cantantes posteriores se inspiraron en el estilo de Mark E Smith. , saludos desde Argentina
Genius, I wish we had more artists like him today. It's all the wrong way around.
The money men are destroying EVERYTHING.
There are a lot of artists but without a lable and without social media they'll never reach the masses
le rock et bon, le punk, aussi, le blues, idem, le bissness rock NoN.! 🧐l'argent est bon, l'amour de l'argent,lui ! :pourri tout.
I would have loved to hear Mark E smith's take on conjob-19 🤣
Wow I love his answer on the so called refugees. Amazed the media left the comment in.
Never, ever boring. RIP, Mark. ❤
46 seconds before he mentioned working on the docks. Never fails.
Hmm, might be due to the fact that journalists ask famous people about their lives, and the docks were part of his life.
Yep, gotta get those credentials established, early on in case people think you're just another untouchable caricature media celebrity with your cogent thoughts dulled by years of abuse...
Ha ha, perfect. I’ve been watching Mark E clips all day, and yep, every time
I can't understand the concern about if a musician lines up with your worldview, lifestyle or political opinion.... Then again I'm American and we have a major 'news' network and political party 10x more inflammatory than anything said here. This man has been better than Santa Claus at delivering every year for four decades, that's what matters to me.
We live in a social media world where people just create echo chambers and never hear anything other than their own narrow perspectives of the world, even sadder when so many of those perspectives are no more than force fed beliefs from the left/right paradigm. If you sit back long enough these people always make hypocrites of themselves somewhere down the line
RIP Mark E Smith , great music great poet ,farewell.....
Mark was spot on about all the young Syrian men leaving Syria and fucking off to Europe, leaving all the Syrian women and kids behind....just imagine if that had happened with British young men in the late 1930's and early 1940's, we'd all be speaking German right now! Everyone's so concerned about the Syrian refugees in Europe, and so they should be when it comes to women and children, but the young men should be back in Syria fighting against their enemies!
I met him in a pub in Devon one afternoon. He was due to play a gig nearby, and he was drinking a pint at the bar - I recognised him, and when I went to the bar to buy a drink, I said hello and I mentioned he was in the fall and playing nearby - but he just grunted something and seemingly didnt want to speak, so I said nothing more and waited in silence for my drink to be served and left the bar to sit down... I then realised all the stories were true of him being a bit grumpy! ;)
So you told Mark E Smith he was in The Fall and expected a positive response. Mmmm hmmnm
@@chelseapoet3664 No 😆I asked him if he was going to be playing at a certain nearby venue, given that he was near it having a drink.
Haha I've heard this is standard
I think he knew which band he was in pal
@@therealrodhull1 i think not buying him a drink before you started to chat was where you lost him, it could have all been so different
I thought Mark E Smith was supposed to be a difficult and cranky old guy, he seems pretty pleasant.
He's a brilliant fuck-up, and at the same time a very 'wise old man.' I'll always love him.
That's some refreshing perspectives from Mr Smith. I wasn't expecting that.
Talk about thinking outside the box. Mark’s words will ring in our ears as we stand clapping like fools on our doorsteps for people and causes that have been discussed ti abstraction by politicians and Instagram influencers.
Nice to see Mark smiling.
Good to see Mark can still be a contrary git !.....we need more like him !!...
Mark E Smith spot on.
Heard him and The Fall on university radio here in Windsor, Ontario Canada in the late 80's. Loved it... Glad I found out about them😮
These guys were amongst the loudest guys i've ever seen. They had two bassists, too, as i recall. Good to see he's still putting it out there.
Many comments on this thread misunderstand him. He was a miserabalist, anti fashion, anti sheep mentality, working class git always and he always said, whether it pleased left wing cowards or right wing bigots what he thought. There is no left and right in honest social commentary or great art. We are all guilty of inconsistent bollocks. He was brought up working class. Pen and paper. Smith's off kelter remark about refugees was spot on. Feeling uncomfortable? Brilliant.
It's not like there are two sides in the Syrian war though, is it? You cannot compare that situation to the British army fighting Nazism...can you? Thank god we've never had to rely on Mark E Smith to fight any wars for us if he's going to get all righteous on us. If you're going to make great swooping generalizations about war, maybe he should have fought in Falklands!
I really wish I had the faintest idea what you are talking about. Mark E Smith is a kitchen sink school commentator/poet, someone who has sharp insights into the human condition. His comments on politics and society are his alone.Take it or leave it.
David B. is spot on about Mark E. Smith- Mark, was obviously a drunk poet, a true artist and maybe not a politically correct fellow- but his art was great, pay attention to that not the man.
His wife/widow is an immigrant!
Yeah, 'economic migrants', trying to escape from war to get something for their families. Why are there many men? Well, do you know what can happen to a woman on such a dangerous route? I wouldn't send my daughter nor would you.
im so glad they did this interview. its so brilliant
I love the fact that there's more bottles of drink and a whiskey on the table between edits.
Tremenda banda. Siempre me ha gustado la singular manera de cantar de Mark, entre elegante y ordinario
Mark E Smith, they don’t make em like that any more. Legend.
such an enigmatic legend. He will be missed. RIP
He is spot on about refugees, channel 4 are blind to it, one day they will wake up.
This is the most lucid I've ever seen him... and I still can't fucking understand a word he says.
2:48 is so perfect.
So you've never seen him interviewed in the 20thC?
Watch June 1996 interview. It followed this one.
Great interview. One of the best channel 4 have ever done Mark E. Was spot on about immigration. Its not immigration its a cultural invasion
Mark E Smith , a total legend.
Part of my adolescence was spent listening to The Fall.
the more interesting and insidious thing about The Fall, is an idle moment can cause a lyric or refrain to catch on the brain- and will stay for any number of days.
The futures always uncertain and the end always near...RIP M.E.S
R.I.P. Mark E Smith. Great Musician !
Thanks, Reimer Bard. There was no way the word 'Argentina' was going to make it from Mark's mouth to my ear.
He has a point. 2 million young men from Syria - where's the women and children? Did they leave them there?
He's wrong. Footage of refugee camps shows plenty of women and children suffering alongside the men.
Then you should hide under your bed until it's safe to come out. I'll let you know when all the scary men are gone.
Most of the migrants are actually being brought over from North Africa and the middle east - only a very small percentage are actually from Syria.
Like most old people, he ended up believing what he read in the papers. He was a pretty vacuous guy, I don't think he had a strong belief in anything other than who was buying the next drink as long as it wasn't him.
Definitely
Mark talks lots of sense. RIP.
A lot of people ask that question, Mark. They're just never allowed on TV in Europe or the US.
He's right about big numbers of young Syrian men coming here but expecting us to fight their battles back home - Syrian women in camps over there been complaining same here on TH-cam for a year or more.
I'm sure complaining on youtube is of high priority in a refugee camp
yeah, and all that nice old President Assad wants is to gather his strayed lambs to his bosom with loving arms
Charles Lee Ray
Yep, not our civil war to fight. Those young men fleeing need to go back and fight for the existence and future of their own country.
@@argh2945 Israel's got their hands in it, And Britain helped create that monster(Israel).
@@ericjensen9091
Britian's relationship to Israel is fairly complicated tbf. Initially the British government was very much against the creation of the state of Israel going as far as to fund the Arabs, but later on they changed tack. In any case those aren't our wars to fight anymore. And by importing millions of people here who have a personal stake in the fight all we've done is imported the conflicts here.
Mark E Smith, su legado es enorme
Facts
A frigging legend.. an artist and national treasure..
Kochałem cię i nie wierzyłem, że odejdziesz tak szybko. Ogromna strata naszego idola. Jedyny nie skurwiony anarchista. Nie skurwimy The Fall!
A true Brit, RIP Mark E Smith.
Sounds like Mark is doing an impression of Frank Sidebottom
I'm not entirely sure what he said
+Laszlo Zoltan Something like "shhhhhh errrrrrr mmmddd fuck mmmmmmkk llllllshhhhhhtick "
+Jon Bolton You mean "shhhhhh errrrrrr mmmddd fuck mmmmmmkk llllllshhhhhhtick-ah". :-)
too bad- anyone got an extra grandma willing to join his band and play the bongos ?
+Laszlo Zoltan I'd dress up *as* my Grandma to have a chance of bein' in The Fall!
+Zetetik - me too, but I can't play the bongos- maybe a colander, but bongos, sadly, no.
I can't believe the interviewer did not once ask him about A Brief History Of Time.
I never got to see The Fall live and would’ve loved to have seen them, but the clips of MES fronting a band of youngsters kinda reminds me of Eric Burdon fronting the “New Animals”, which amounted to EB plus 3 way-younger guys with mullets playing the hits lol
R.I.P Mark. E. Smith. The Bingo Master breaks out!
In loving memory of mark e Smith aged 60 years old the man who said swear words
Based Mark E Smith.
The only way a remark like that on refugees gets through.
I/We love this man !
hey he's actually going along with the interview
NOTHING LIKE TRUTH IN A CLIMATE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
I love Mark EDWARD Smith's Songs.R eal R.I.P from TueM..
RIP MARK!A TRUE ORIGINALWILL BE MISSED
Big loss. Rest in peace Mark
Manchester will always be true it's icons
So good to see Mark in fine spirits (pun as intended as you want it to be) in recent interviews........His new missus must be doing him some good!
Been in love with the Fall since Putta Block, Grotesque (After the Gramme) & Leave the Capitol. The NWRA was a tour de force of Fall intensity.
He an Morrissey...Best English songwriters ever....
Hear him about Syrians. A new meaning to 'In vino veritas'
All band members singing on a song not been done before? The Flying Pickets, The Housemartins and St Winifred's School Choir spring to mind.
I still have Fall dreams. The Caretakers Reunion Ball was a song they had... in my dream.
Not the answer Krishnan was looking for regarding the migrant crisis, his face was a picture! He's nearly as much of a "journalist" as Cathy Newman!
wise words, from a wise man
I visited the Mark E Smith mural in Prestwich that has been painted on the side of the chip shop there, i filmed it, if anyone wants to see it then simply just type in the search bar above the following title....Visiting the Mural of Mark E Smith
A salutary warning for us all.
When I saw that this was a Channel Four interview I thought they'd be getting Mr Smith to spout some semi middle class leftist fascist crap like Channel 4 do.Thank Fook he didn't-good on ya Mark!Since you're not online you won't read this,but your wife might.Keep up the good fight,and keep making the singular music,matey!
The Fall is finally no more....Marquee has played his final Cha Cha. There will never be another remotely like the Mark E!
I never thought M.E. Smith would start to remind me of my dad, but in this interview he slightly does
The Wealdstone Raider's on Channel 4. Where are his glasses?
He talked a lot of wind
Rip you complete ****
Love from SOUTH Manchester
God I love Mark E, God I hate this interviewer.
As an American who's studied multiple Germanic languages, I was able to understand about half of that. Please, hold the applause.
I look forward to his new song "Sad old wanker".
haha Mark, Legend. True to himself to the end
I love him
The Man is a fucking legend and songwriting genius......
Met Mark E Smith in Manchester about 5 years before he died