Friedman Runt 20 vs Mesa Rectoverb 25
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- Friedman Runt 20 vs Mesa Rectoverb 25 with a limited edition Gibson Non Reverse Firebird.
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Thanks for showing us your recto
Another KILLER video my dude!! If you had your choice between that recto-verb or a Mark V:25!?
I have narrowed my search for a low watt usa built nice amp . I think i like the flexibility of the boogie but the runt speaker emulated output is a huge plus for me . would love to get others thoughts on that .
Yes the verb is foot switchable on the rectoverb. But the extra footswitch isnt included. But inexpensive to get a second footswitch.
Is there no jack in the reverb circuit in the back of the amp like on the Lonestar? Out of the box, on the Lonestar, the Reverb is not footswitchable. But there is a little jack in the back that allows it to be switched on and off if you use a aftermarket pedal. I'm wondering of the ROV25 is like that or if there is SIMPLY no option to turn it off except the knobs.
the mid is turned down on the mesa at 3:24 and it shouldn't be. That explains the sound difference there. It's corrected at 3:55 and there you go.
It be nice if you re-did this video, I have a Recto and it sounds better than in this video...? I wonder if something happened in recording.
The versatility/complexity of the Recto hurts it here. It seems like you couldn't get a bad tone out of the Friedman if you tried, but there are usually plenty of "unsweet spots" on a Mesa if it's not dialed in to a tee.
Not so much with the Rectoverb 25. It's hard to get a bad sound out of it. I had one and regret selling it.
Agree. Mesas are complicated for those that don't like to monkey around with them to get the sounds that they want. The Friedman does sound like some of the sweetest modded Marshalls I've ever heard. I think the Soldano 30 beats both but I ain't got the coin for that rig....
I completely disagree with some of the comments about Mesa's not being able to "do the Marshall thing". I have a buddy that has been playing a Tremoverb (90's?) and it CAN do the JCM900 hyper midrange boosted thing with the orange channel, no problem. And it has a whole two other worlds of Fender-ish cleans and crushingly thick distortion (almost as industrial-nasty as a Dual Rec). You do have to dial out the bass as it gets louder though when it starts clipping. It has to be one of the loudest 100w amps I've ever played. If I had it, I'd have one of those new Boss Waza attenuators on it to keep from losing my hearing.
That being said, I can't say exactly the same thing for the Rectoverb 25. But do you want your Mesa to imitate someone else's amp? I don't. I like the crushing American distortion more than the singy-stingy midrange British overdrive. Plus you can get a Marshall/Orange/Hiwatt-style AIB pedal (Wampler Plexidrive/Pinnacle, Plimsoul,etc..) and run it in the clean channel if that's what you have to have when you're not shaking the house with the thick Mesa grind.....
Tough choice, I didnt know the Runt sounded this good.
What cab are you using?
La idea es muy buena de Comparar a estos 2 cabezales, pero la forma de tocar hace imposible concentrarse en el sonido de ambos. Por favor!!!
I've owned a Runt and a Pink taco, both sound great but for me they just weren't loud enough in a band setting.
Ive learned these mini amps the best way to run them is in a hybrid setup. using a loadbox and IRS so you can crank the amp to the max then insert the amp into an axe fx or a helix to use in place of an amp block and use impulse responses in place of the cab blocks and setup effects like normal within the units and send it to front of house and FRFR amps on stage (which definitely get band volume) like a laney lfr212
I had a Runt 20 last year but gave it up...sounded thin to me...but with no work it was great in the mix. As fate would have it, a Rectoverb 25 is being delivered to me tomorrow, but in this video the Runt 20 sounded WAY better, to my ear! Here's hoping I don't ultimately trade the Rectoverb away to get back to the Runt 20 I traded away in 2018, to get what I thought I was getting in the Rectoverb! :-)
What's the verdict Fraser?
@@TVoltG It's been a while since I've had the Runt 20 (I sold the Runt in early 2018). After watching this video again just now, the Friedman still sounds better to me. But here at home, the Recto-Verb sounds better than I remember the Runt 20 sounding. The Mesa sounds a little thinner on the crunch channel than I was expecting, but not to the same extent as the Runt did. Mind you, as I said before, the Runt cut through the mix really well---in the mix, I never missed those lows. I haven't gigged with the Mesa, but I'll bet I'd have the same observation regarding the mix, with maybe a little more power bleeding into the low end on the Mesa. All that said, on its own the Mesa sounds better to me, to the best of my recollection. The clean channel DEFINITELY has a broader range on the Mesa, and sounds better to me when I have it set the way I like, but the simplicity of the Runt's clean channel is a thing of beauty if it works for you. The Mesa's crunch brings that 'American' style of overdrive that I personally like. But even if that's not your thing, the fact that the Mesa has 10--25W and Vintage-Modern voicing switches on each channel yields a LOT of flexibility, without making it too over-complicated like the Mesa Heartbreaker, for example (though the Mesa Heartbreaker is still the best-sounding amp I ever owned, in my opinion). So probably the sad truth is that each player really needs to play them both to know for sure what they prefer...but for me the Mesa was easier to dial in to where I wanted it to be, on both the clean and overdriven channels. I'm happy to be a Mesa player again!
@@fsthomson Thanks for that. I'm busy trying to choose between the two. I'm a bit of a MESA fan having owned a Lonestar for many years. I'm heavily considering the Friedman... but the JJ Jr. to be exact. I do like that the MESA has onboard Reverb. To me that's a big plus because I use Reverb on my cleans 95% of the time. However, it needs to be footswitchable like it is on my Lonestar. I mean, out of the box with the included footswitch you can't switch it off, but with a different pedal, using the jack on the back, you can. It's been 3 months since your reply and I take it you're still happy with the ROV?
Because his setting on mesa in this video sucks a lot. Simple
like the new style to compare amps, much more easy to hear the different voicings! Id take the Friedmann, just sounds fuller to me, sadly its way too loud for my homedoodling :/
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I have the Runt and i love it.
The loudness is as problem indeed. But i will not give up and get a Loadbox for it.
Also the XLR out sounds really good
the mesa too me sounded muffeled, maybe the eq settings? but it could do everything the runt could do. the mesa possibly more versatile
I don't the Mesa was EQ'ed right or in the best mode. I think it should have been in vintage mode with comparable EQ settings set by ear. I've played the Rectoverb 25 for several years and you can get way better tones out of it than what was used in this video.
@@wadereynoldsgm You're right. And it needed more trebble. Seems like all his vids he's seems to prefer a muddy tone on his Mesa. I have a Rectoverb and a 100 watt Dual Rec Reborn. They easily can sound WAY brighter than he sets his up.
The EQ isn't set right in this video on the Mesa. Mesas take far more time and patience to dial in. When to go through this process to find a tone that is awesome, you'll be pleasantly surprised at what amazing can do versus a Marshall.
I tend to keep notes on all my EQ settings when I'm fiddling with my Rectoverb 25. Some players are gonna think that this is something they don't want to deal with. However come I can tell you it's very rewarding and speaks to how flexible the amp is that you can set it in so many different ways and get so many different sounds.
Friedman wins this one for me. Great clip man
POSER AMP!
@@runnningonempty Blew that Mesa away.
What kind of music suites this freidman amp?
Thank you for a very good showing of what these two amps can deliver. Too often these videos have someone playing with too much gain, and nothing more. Opening the video with clean tones shows everything you would need to compare. I agree with every comment so far, the Friedman is significantly better, it's not even close. The Mesa sounds muddy and cheap in comparison.
Mesa is only good for versatility and heavy riffing having owned one. I prefer Friedman tone defo
Both sound A+ just different from each other
Tengo un Rectoverb25. Sólo decir que en este vídeo está fatal ecualizado. Este ampli se pule a cualquiera en su categoría por sonido y versatilidad.
Runt all day & night. Probably why I have a R 50w and no MB's. lol
IDK the Mesa sounds like a Mesa, the Friedman,vox/marshal baby
Friedman sounds so much more natural and sweet, both are nice, but I want that runt 20
Run them both together and you have everything
Lies! The rectoverb does have foot switchable reverb on both channels
You just have to buy the switch for the reverb
Have to with the Runt.
I can't for the life of me get into Mesa. Friedman all the way.
I have a Rectoverb-25 head with a 1×12" slant cab that I haven't hardly used since I got my DSL-20HR. I've played them both through an Egnater 4×12" cab and the el-34s in the Marshall just smoke my poor Mesa's el-84s.
And for less than half of the price!!!
The Mesa just doesn't do Classic Rock like a Marshall!!!
Marshall DSL's are awesome amps for the money- I was thinking about "upgrading" my DSL40CR to something a little lighter for a grab-and-go gigging combo for small gigs. I was checking out the Runt and the Rectoverb, but you're comment makes me think that maybe I should just get the smaller (and cheaper) DSL20. You're right, nothing does the Marshall sound like Marshall!! Thanks!
Seriously, why the heck you buy mesa for classic rock? You were wrong from the time you made ur choice. It is not the amp's fault
I just sent back a DSL20 combo it was new out of box and sounded cheap as China where it was made
Exactly !!! The DSL’s sound like a can of annoying wasps lol
Friedman for sure
My carvin sound,1-2
The voicing of rectoverb is more adjusted to metal in my believe. Metal upper highs, slightly higher mid and punchier low mid with solid low end. More forgiving and modern voiced.
Friedman runt is more classical, quite linear where the high end cuts through in a more punishing, unforgiving, cleaner voice.
Hard to say who's better, but rectoverb might be slightly more rewarding, just from the feel the amp gives back during playing it.
Completely agree. I like the Friedman when the riffs were were played with the gain halfway up. As with Marshall's, the low end was tighter and more focused than the Mesa.
However, as the gain gets higher, the Mesa starts to get its thick low-midrange grind on and starts to show how much wider its frequency range and dynamic response is than the Friedman.
The Mesa just takes far more time and Slightly smaller incremental adjustments to get the tone then you would by cranking the knobs on a Marshall, Fender or Friedman. While I am not an electronics engineer, I suspect that the pot values are higher on the Mesa than those other brands. I suspect this is why you always start with all the knobs at noon and make very tiny incremental adjustments just so that you get exact plea what I suspect this is why you always start with all the knobs at noon and make very tiny incremental adjustments just so that you get exactly what you want for your tone.
What's the Mesa, you have to approach it as if you are using a scalpel to make surgically precise adjustments, rather than using a butter knife to spread something on toast rather than using a butter knife to spread something on toast (ie. Every other brand of amplifier). As a Mesa and Fender Amp owner, I approach each amplifier with this mentality when dialing in sounds.
I use the RV 25 as my main gig amp in a twenty piece big band. Not "voiced for metal" it can do it, but most people overlook the clean channel. No 120 but the tubes make it nice
But really what name u want to have on stage .a cheep looking name and logo like friedman or a real amp mesa boogie
Mesa hands down!
Kidding right?
Mesa for me also
2 different styles of anp designs here. You are comparing apples to oranges. Mesa is all about high gain, the Friedman is just another Marshall / Vox copy which in reality is a fender copy. The Friedman sounds like everything I don’t like about British amps, but there is a huge market for that. The Mesa is for finding YOUR tone. If you are trying to compare 2 low wattage amps, you are in two separate markets here.
I'm not sure you're correct. The mesa has a lot going for it on the clean/pushed channel and the vintage high gain.
it's achingly clean if that's what you're after. it's just there is a lot of room in the tonality of the amp as opposed to the friedman.
They're pitting channels that I wouldn't really care to compare on those two amps for more than 1 riff test.
Friedman
That’s way too much bass on the Mesa
6:06 sounds terrible. Sounds like a Bugera amp
I tried liking mesa boogie amps . They sound good until the rest of the band starts playing
The Friedman sounds better - clearer and more defined.
My Fryette beats both of them, but I like the Mesa better. The voicing is more rich.
@@realtruenorth
Don't know much about those amps - do they crunch?
@@dmitryowens they are beasts, they crunch and sounds heavier than any other amp ,, or at least equal. Play a pitbull or deliverance
@@realtruenorth
I like the way ENGL sounds out of all the high gain amps I've heard, but I can't afford any of those top shelf tube amps anyway.
@@realtruenorth
Oh, Fryette used to VHT - I've known about that company for years.
The Friedman sounds way better ... definitely.
Friedman