I do watched some other video and there was a girl who said that Cesar Millan is self-taught and never had any course in training dogs. She also linked some pages prooving it. I don't know if anything changes scince then but I would never trust person like that. Maybe his methods are working right away but lot of them seems to be very harmful for the dogs. I would rather take a long time to try peacefull metods, and I would go for something like this as a last resort. Of course no hitting dog like he seems to be doing a lot. He would see me at court if he ever tries to hit my dog :/ I don't get it how desperate people need to be to just allow him to do that and look at it from the side.
The "tcht" seems to become a secondary punisher. He introduces it right away and by the end of many episodes, he's using that to "control" (startle or scare) the dog off leash. It all looks very impressive for those who don't see the sheer terror and panic in dog body language!
But that wasn't a choke collar. If you base your opinion on an incorrect assumption, then how will you be able to provide appropriate opinions? I have a jack russell that used to be a terror. We couldn't invite guests over, he would lunge at other dogs, we couldn't walk him in peace. We got a dog trainer who applied similar techniques as Cesar does. It took a while, the trainer even got bit several times, but with consistency, we were able to do a complete 180. Now my JRT has no problem with other people, he knows what to do, he isn't scared, he isn't reactive, and we can actually go on trips with him now, even overnight trips with a dozen other people and dogs. So my opinion here, based on actual experience of being trained by the dog trainer as well (I was there for every session, my jrt did not go to boarding school, all training was done at home or in the mall, park, etc.) is that dog training is composed of 3 things: control, reward, and proper correction. You need a training leash to be able to properly lead a dog. Harnesses are awful in training. Now of course, that doesn't mean that just because you put a training leash on the dog it will automatically be more controllable. You have to know how to use the leash correctly. The leash is a tool, and all tools need to be used properly in order to be effective. Once you know how to use the leash, you use it to lead the dog. When the dog does something he's not supposed to, you give a quick yank on the leash to break the dog's fixation. If the dog, on the other hand, is well behaved, you give him rewards i.e. treats, praise, pats, etc. The funny thing is, now even my dog's vets are asking this trainer to train them. They have seen him in action, they witnessed my dog's transformation. They know that while they are experts in dog medicine, there are others who are experts in dog behavior. Of course there will be commenters here who'll say a bunch of stuff without any actual experience. All I can say is, I experienced the transformation of my dog, through training, both positive and negative reinforcement, and I am extremely happy with it. Anyone who doubts it can message me, I can show actual videos.
Do you maybe have a link to it? In general, as far as I know, there is no research on its effect on the dog's body and with the fact that many dogs do get herniated disks then I would think a lot before using it. Running and playing should be enough exercise for the dog.
@@DrOrion Thank you. The added weight supposedly helps to exercise the dog so that 30 minute walk with backpack is equivalent to 1 hour walk without backpack per website. And here's a video: th-cam.com/video/KCYooC9yys8/w-d-xo.html
@@betty2002 I don't know where they get this data from. As far as I know, it's not from a scientific publishing. I can't say too much about it other then that like with any tool, it really depends on the dog. If it is bothering the dog then it's a bad thing. If the dog don't mind the weight, and medically it doesn't affect him (more weight means higher chance of orthopedic issues, and it might also cause irritation to the skin where it rubs against it) then I'm not against. So bottom line, I don't really know how it will affect the dog's behavior or health.
This is irrelevant, but why does the dog need to be desensitized to being around a lawn mower at all? Simple management: keep her in the house when the lawn is being mowed. 🤷🏼♀️
Exposure therapy is a thing. Electric collars that work on vibration and noise is also a good training tool. This dog looks rather chill. There are dogs that need tool to correct their behaviour. And there is no time to teach stuff. Dogs don't live long, we need results immediately. And thinking of using some method over 10 years or just using a collar for a week seems better. For everyones nerves and patience.
Ceasar and others like him need to be commented on. Your voice is important. The most striking thing to me is why would your dog even be exposed to a lawn mower? My dogs have no fear of a lawn mower because they’ve never met one. They are most definitely in the house while the lawn is mowed!
@@DrOrionmy dogs generally just avoid lawns being mowed on whenever we pass someone on their lawn. I don’t correct or reward normal behavior in a dog that hears this loud, angry-sounding machine shooting out cut grass on one side of it. I consider it to be a natural fear of something that actually could maim or kill you.
@@partysuviuscould maim or kill you … but definitely probably won’t. Teaching a dog that there’s nothing to fear is better than just letting it be afraid of something they might encounter on a walk.
@@partysuviusthat just sounds like a dog with do actual guidance even in a pack they have rules and guidance from the alpha dog it just makes no sense to not want to teach your dog to not be scared of things that you could find on a normal day.
The 'Wow' @ 8:19 did it for me. How the f**k are people so ignorant. Look at the poor dog's body language, the kid is scared and either trying to get away, stay still out of fear, or hide behind a human nearby, and these ignorant people say WOW 🤬😡
My friend gave his old farm dogs for month and only thing he told me about to dogs was that you need to go in or out of house first so dogs think you are boss. Not sure if this is truth or alpha dominance stuff? But those were one of the worst dogs, if i would not be slightly heavier than those two dogs combined i could have not stop them biting people.
This one idea is so interesting because its based on the wrong idea that wolf are dogs but wolf dont have doors. I dont understand how this one happend
Basically, I find that dogs need taught the correct way to respond to things, just like kids, for their safety, etc. The dog is not being choked or hurt in any way. Yes, it's licking it's lips because there is anxiety going on and you cannot fit an issue with just one or two try's. This take multiple instances to "desensitize" the dog to the lawn mower and will take more training. Either way, Cesar gets results, period. I've seen it over and over.
You've seen it where? On an edited television show that shows you what they want to show you? In this video even you say the dog is stressed so why not do the desensitization from a longer distance? That would work even better. And thanks for watching this!
A better approach would be if he paid someone to take the dog running for an hour or two to lower the dog’s energy, then walk around the field slowly nearing the lawn mower while it is running but keeping some distance because the dog doesn’t ever need to be getting real close to it.
Training 101. If you teach a dog to suppress anxiety and signs of aggression, it will be aggressive without warning. I mean this is what happened with Cesar’s own dog! These dogs than become truly unpredictable!!
This is an older video of yours and someone made a comment about the “tcht” sound Milan makes. I have trained many horses and dogs and I do have a sound that I make that means “no”. It is not a punishment. It is a correction. I have never used it with an animal that is frightened or confused. But it is a thing I do !!!! The dog looks like a Jack Russell ❤❤❤ Having had a Jack Russell as well as many other dogs 😊❤. The dog wants to “kill” lol - the mower. So what ? Put him on a farm ! He will get over himself ❤.
Correction is just a different name for punishment. As I wrote you on another video, it can always be achieved without it. Doing a noise that scares the dog is a punishment. I'm not saying never say "no" but the goal is to use something that distracts the dog because he expects something good from you and not bad. 😊 Thank you for watching.
😁😆 Don't worry, I was living 4 years in the U.S. and kept saying "mawn lower" about 3 years long, untill finally somebody told me that its called lawn mower. 😅😂🙈 Nice Video though, thank you.
I have nothing against a Training Collar - that you call a “choke” collar. The function of a training collar is Training ! And should NEVER be taut. A slight correction - and then it is loose. And is NOT necessary to put it up so high on the dogs neck ………..
I certainly don't agree with you view. Do you think for one minute the dangers in some situations such as this lawn mower or car chasing, for example, shouldn't be corrected. There has to be a concerted effort to correct this behavior. It is not abuse. If the dog gets away and doesn't come back when he hears a lawn mower and is mangled with the blades would be all right with you. There was nothing abusive done here and there has to be discipline in training.
Do you think that the dog daddy or ceasar truly believe they are right? I’m just curious. Love your videos everything you are saying in the videos I have watched is interesting. Also what do you recommend for a really aggressive dog or a dog that has a track record. I saw one protester say that she wouldn’t even approach an aggressive dog. I don’t think that’s right at all. If people protest and say I wouldn’t even mess with that kind of dog it’s sort of a shot in the foot if she is protesting his ways an answer would be so much more effective. She doesn’t have to know or agree but it’s just not effective. I trying agree with you and these things should be very eye opening it does suck that TH-cam is feeding these ways to people and we bite. I think there are also cultural things that effect this. The dog daddy is from brazil and I wonder how much that effects his methods. Dogs can be scared into submission quickly but actually teaching takes time repetition and proper praise and punishment.I like to hear all sides so thank you!
Of course cultural differences can play a role. I even say that in some countries it is illegal to be gay, women can't drive, you can mary a 12 year old girl, etc. The fact there is a difference doesn't mean it's right or that we should accept it. Thanks for watching!
You really should have used a still photo from "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" when mentioning the fear of spiders. 😂 When they talk to the huge spider in the forest and a ton of huge spiders come on them from the tree tops... Haha.
Cesar is getting worse. It's not rare that in his videos there are dogs fights. He is the one responsable for those fights. He puts the dogs to failure maybe to get more views
It might not be possible with some dogs because it is normal to be afraid of something noisy and stinky, right? But, by basically presenting the mower from a very far distance (off and then on) below the dog's threshold for responding to it, and very slowly and gradually (over weeks maybe) getting closer and using lots of treats, that might work by ciunterconditioning and desensitizing.
You could also make a recording of the sound of the lawnmower. Then play the sound at a very low level so that you can hardly hear it. Gradually increase the volume and do something nice with you dog at the same time. You basically want the dog to not even notice it. If he does then reduce the volume again and take it more slowly.
@@DrOrionyou’re a vet, but you keep comparing these dogs to humans, when dogs and humans are entirely different and need to be respected as such. People can’t stand that Cesar doesn’t have a degree and comes from a different country and is on a level of his own with his use of basic principles backed by years and years and years of relevant experience, and not a degree or certification he got from reading a textbook. There’s a reason why your beloved Kikopup and Victoria Stillwell never show or have any record of success with highly aggressive, territorial, or unpredictable/timid-aggressive dogs, there are some things that aren’t as complex as we make them out to be.
Every professional I’ve seen reviewing his tv shows (which we all know are filmed generally only for 1 day) don’t agree at all with his methods and even have proven that his methods are classified as abusive/traumatizing, and that his training methods have hardly improved at all since Dog Whisperer’s pilot. I would be a better dog trainer than him and I’ve only somewhat trained my family’s dogs (I put in the most work though). I can’t seem to get it through my mother’s head that this man is a dog abuser and she is traumatizing her dogs when she follows his “training” advices.
So not true. First, I'm not just a vet. I studied for many years and worked for many years in the academy, treating these anxious dogs. They are treatable as I mentioned, but I guess you would have known that if you actually watched the video. But I do appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thanks!
So, what do you think about this video? This is the original video: th-cam.com/video/bFgRf9xQybc/w-d-xo.html
I do watched some other video and there was a girl who said that Cesar Millan is self-taught and never had any course in training dogs. She also linked some pages prooving it. I don't know if anything changes scince then but I would never trust person like that. Maybe his methods are working right away but lot of them seems to be very harmful for the dogs. I would rather take a long time to try peacefull metods, and I would go for something like this as a last resort. Of course no hitting dog like he seems to be doing a lot. He would see me at court if he ever tries to hit my dog :/ I don't get it how desperate people need to be to just allow him to do that and look at it from the side.
do you have any videos of yourself training a dog? Would be interested to see the contrast - what does good look like?
Check out Kikopup, Zak George, Victoria Stilwell (her newer stuff). They are all good examples.
The "tcht" seems to become a secondary punisher. He introduces it right away and by the end of many episodes, he's using that to "control" (startle or scare) the dog off leash. It all looks very impressive for those who don't see the sheer terror and panic in dog body language!
Yes. And if you read the comments here (those that weren't just curses) you will understand how much he convinced people that this is the way...
But that wasn't a choke collar. If you base your opinion on an incorrect assumption, then how will you be able to provide appropriate opinions?
I have a jack russell that used to be a terror. We couldn't invite guests over, he would lunge at other dogs, we couldn't walk him in peace. We got a dog trainer who applied similar techniques as Cesar does. It took a while, the trainer even got bit several times, but with consistency, we were able to do a complete 180. Now my JRT has no problem with other people, he knows what to do, he isn't scared, he isn't reactive, and we can actually go on trips with him now, even overnight trips with a dozen other people and dogs.
So my opinion here, based on actual experience of being trained by the dog trainer as well (I was there for every session, my jrt did not go to boarding school, all training was done at home or in the mall, park, etc.) is that dog training is composed of 3 things: control, reward, and proper correction. You need a training leash to be able to properly lead a dog. Harnesses are awful in training. Now of course, that doesn't mean that just because you put a training leash on the dog it will automatically be more controllable. You have to know how to use the leash correctly. The leash is a tool, and all tools need to be used properly in order to be effective. Once you know how to use the leash, you use it to lead the dog. When the dog does something he's not supposed to, you give a quick yank on the leash to break the dog's fixation. If the dog, on the other hand, is well behaved, you give him rewards i.e. treats, praise, pats, etc.
The funny thing is, now even my dog's vets are asking this trainer to train them. They have seen him in action, they witnessed my dog's transformation. They know that while they are experts in dog medicine, there are others who are experts in dog behavior.
Of course there will be commenters here who'll say a bunch of stuff without any actual experience. All I can say is, I experienced the transformation of my dog, through training, both positive and negative reinforcement, and I am extremely happy with it. Anyone who doubts it can message me, I can show actual videos.
Thanks for watching and commenting
@@DrOrion I totally agree with your situation.
You’d be fine with spiders if someone did a good job of the exposure therapy
Exactly. If they did it gradually and under the threshold. But this is flooding here, not therapy.
Love your videos! Thank you for that great work!!!
Thanks for watching
Hi Dr. Orion, what do you think of weighted dog back pack that Cesar Millan recommends to help exercise dogs? Is it a good idea?
Do you maybe have a link to it? In general, as far as I know, there is no research on its effect on the dog's body and with the fact that many dogs do get herniated disks then I would think a lot before using it. Running and playing should be enough exercise for the dog.
@@DrOrion Thank you. The added weight supposedly helps to exercise the dog so that 30 minute walk with backpack is equivalent to 1 hour walk without backpack per website. And here's a video: th-cam.com/video/KCYooC9yys8/w-d-xo.html
@@betty2002 I don't know where they get this data from. As far as I know, it's not from a scientific publishing. I can't say too much about it other then that like with any tool, it really depends on the dog. If it is bothering the dog then it's a bad thing. If the dog don't mind the weight, and medically it doesn't affect him (more weight means higher chance of orthopedic issues, and it might also cause irritation to the skin where it rubs against it) then I'm not against. So bottom line, I don't really know how it will affect the dog's behavior or health.
@@DrOrion Got it, thank you, Dr. Orion!
This is irrelevant, but why does the dog need to be desensitized to being around a lawn mower at all? Simple management: keep her in the house when the lawn is being mowed. 🤷🏼♀️
Exposure therapy is a thing. Electric collars that work on vibration and noise is also a good training tool.
This dog looks rather chill. There are dogs that need tool to correct their behaviour.
And there is no time to teach stuff. Dogs don't live long, we need results immediately.
And thinking of using some method over 10 years or just using a collar for a week seems better. For everyones nerves and patience.
Sorry but it's not a thing. Even in people it's rarely used and when it does, only with their consent. Dogs don't choose it so it's just flooding.
Ceasar and others like him need to be commented on. Your voice is important. The most striking thing to me is why would your dog even be exposed to a lawn mower? My dogs have no fear of a lawn mower because they’ve never met one. They are most definitely in the house while the lawn is mowed!
True, but sometimes you might be on a walk while the neighbor is mowing. We can expose them, but we need to do it slowly, under their threshold.
@@DrOrionmy dogs generally just avoid lawns being mowed on whenever we pass someone on their lawn. I don’t correct or reward normal behavior in a dog that hears this loud, angry-sounding machine shooting out cut grass on one side of it. I consider it to be a natural fear of something that actually could maim or kill you.
@@partysuviuscould maim or kill you … but definitely probably won’t. Teaching a dog that there’s nothing to fear is better than just letting it be afraid of something they might encounter on a walk.
@@partysuviusthat just sounds like a dog with do actual guidance even in a pack they have rules and guidance from the alpha dog it just makes no sense to not want to teach your dog to not be scared of things that you could find on a normal day.
In what reality do you live? My dogs are with me always.
The 'Wow' @ 8:19 did it for me. How the f**k are people so ignorant. Look at the poor dog's body language, the kid is scared and either trying to get away, stay still out of fear, or hide behind a human nearby, and these ignorant people say WOW 🤬😡
Yep. Everyone's afraid there...
My friend gave his old farm dogs for month and only thing he told me about to dogs was that you need to go in or out of house first so dogs think you are boss. Not sure if this is truth or alpha dominance stuff? But those were one of the worst dogs, if i would not be slightly heavier than those two dogs combined i could have not stop them biting people.
Dogs don't really care who leaves first. So this advice is not effective. It comes from the wrong alpha theory of always being first.
This one idea is so interesting because its based on the wrong idea that wolf are dogs but wolf dont have doors. I dont understand how this one happend
Basically, I find that dogs need taught the correct way to respond to things, just like kids, for their safety, etc. The dog is not being choked or hurt in any way. Yes, it's licking it's lips because there is anxiety going on and you cannot fit an issue with just one or two try's. This take multiple instances to "desensitize" the dog to the lawn mower and will take more training. Either way, Cesar gets results, period. I've seen it over and over.
You've seen it where? On an edited television show that shows you what they want to show you? In this video even you say the dog is stressed so why not do the desensitization from a longer distance? That would work even better. And thanks for watching this!
A better approach would be if he paid someone to take the dog running for an hour or two to lower the dog’s energy, then walk around the field slowly nearing the lawn mower while it is running but keeping some distance because the dog doesn’t ever need to be getting real close to it.
Yes. Desensitization.
Or maybe record the sound before and then start with training at home with only the sound?
Training 101. If you teach a dog to suppress anxiety and signs of aggression, it will be aggressive without warning. I mean this is what happened with Cesar’s own dog! These dogs than become truly unpredictable!!
Exactly the problem!
This is an older video of yours and someone made a comment about the “tcht” sound Milan makes. I have trained many horses and dogs and I do have a sound that I make that means “no”. It is not a punishment. It is a correction. I have never used it with an animal that is frightened or confused. But it is a thing I do !!!! The dog looks like a Jack Russell ❤❤❤ Having had a Jack Russell as well as many other dogs 😊❤. The dog wants to “kill” lol - the mower. So what ? Put him on a farm ! He will get over himself ❤.
Correction is just a different name for punishment. As I wrote you on another video, it can always be achieved without it. Doing a noise that scares the dog is a punishment. I'm not saying never say "no" but the goal is to use something that distracts the dog because he expects something good from you and not bad. 😊 Thank you for watching.
@@DrOrion I am going to have to disagree......
😁😆 Don't worry, I was living 4 years in the U.S. and kept saying "mawn lower" about 3 years long, untill finally somebody told me that its called lawn mower. 😅😂🙈
Nice Video though, thank you.
Haha. Good to know it's not just me.
I have nothing against a Training Collar - that you call a “choke” collar. The function of a training collar is Training ! And should NEVER be taut. A slight correction - and then it is loose. And is NOT necessary to put it up so high on the dogs neck ………..
I promise it's not needed. You can get the same result and better with different methods.
I certainly don't agree with you view. Do you think for one minute the dangers in some situations such as this lawn mower or car chasing, for example, shouldn't be corrected. There has to be a concerted effort to correct this behavior. It is not abuse. If the dog gets away and doesn't come back when he hears a lawn mower and is mangled with the blades would be all right with you. There was nothing abusive done here and there has to be discipline in training.
Forcing a dog to do something that scares him can ne abusive.
Do you think that the dog daddy or ceasar truly believe they are right? I’m just curious. Love your videos everything you are saying in the videos I have watched is interesting. Also what do you recommend for a really aggressive dog or a dog that has a track record. I saw one protester say that she wouldn’t even approach an aggressive dog. I don’t think that’s right at all. If people protest and say I wouldn’t even mess with that kind of dog it’s sort of a shot in the foot if she is protesting his ways an answer would be so much more effective. She doesn’t have to know or agree but it’s just not effective. I trying agree with you and these things should be very eye opening it does suck that TH-cam is feeding these ways to people and we bite. I think there are also cultural things that effect this. The dog daddy is from brazil and I wonder how much that effects his methods. Dogs can be scared into submission quickly but actually teaching takes time repetition and proper praise and punishment.I like to hear all sides so thank you!
Of course cultural differences can play a role. I even say that in some countries it is illegal to be gay, women can't drive, you can mary a 12 year old girl, etc. The fact there is a difference doesn't mean it's right or that we should accept it. Thanks for watching!
@@DrOrion agreed I know it’s not right I just wanted to see what you thought. Thank you!
Please watch the unedited version of that video of the protetester because that is not what she says.
You really should have used a still photo from "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" when mentioning the fear of spiders. 😂 When they talk to the huge spider in the forest and a ton of huge spiders come on them from the tree tops... Haha.
Haha. Yeah. Good idea. Next time... Maybe.
Cesar is getting worse. It's not rare that in his videos there are dogs fights. He is the one responsable for those fights. He puts the dogs to failure maybe to get more views
That's what all of those famous dog trainers do. Do things to make the dog "explode" to show how they "fixed" him...
What would be a better way to teach the dog to not be anxious around the lawnmower? Is it even something reasonable to expect from a dog?
It might not be possible with some dogs because it is normal to be afraid of something noisy and stinky, right? But, by basically presenting the mower from a very far distance (off and then on) below the dog's threshold for responding to it, and very slowly and gradually (over weeks maybe) getting closer and using lots of treats, that might work by ciunterconditioning and desensitizing.
@@DrOrion thanks alot!
You could also make a recording of the sound of the lawnmower. Then play the sound at a very low level so that you can hardly hear it. Gradually increase the volume and do something nice with you dog at the same time. You basically want the dog to not even notice it. If he does then reduce the volume again and take it more slowly.
Any famous dog trainer you actually think he's ok? So far the 2 most famous you have only critics.
The fact someone is famous doesn't make him right. I like Zak George's and Victoria Stilwell's methods. But I also criticized them.
Irrelevant question but why do you keep using he/him pronouns on dog when it is confirmed a girl? i can get it in hypothetical sense but...
That's my default for some reason. If I don't "think" about it while I'm talking, I will use the male pronouns automatically. I don't know why.
If you were afraid of spiders and someone forced you to hold spiders, you would get over it. Same with a dog.
That's just not true. Open a few up to date human psychology books before you come out with wrong statements.
@@DrOrionyou’re a vet, but you keep comparing these dogs to humans, when dogs and humans are entirely different and need to be respected as such. People can’t stand that Cesar doesn’t have a degree and comes from a different country and is on a level of his own with his use of basic principles backed by years and years and years of relevant experience, and not a degree or certification he got from reading a textbook. There’s a reason why your beloved Kikopup and Victoria Stillwell never show or have any record of success with highly aggressive, territorial, or unpredictable/timid-aggressive dogs, there are some things that aren’t as complex as we make them out to be.
Every professional I’ve seen reviewing his tv shows (which we all know are filmed generally only for 1 day) don’t agree at all with his methods and even have proven that his methods are classified as abusive/traumatizing, and that his training methods have hardly improved at all since Dog Whisperer’s pilot. I would be a better dog trainer than him and I’ve only somewhat trained my family’s dogs (I put in the most work though). I can’t seem to get it through my mother’s head that this man is a dog abuser and she is traumatizing her dogs when she follows his “training” advices.
I can't seem to convince many of his followers even though I explain exactly what's wrong. It's like a cult.
vet = put dog to sleep
So not true. First, I'm not just a vet. I studied for many years and worked for many years in the academy, treating these anxious dogs. They are treatable as I mentioned, but I guess you would have known that if you actually watched the video. But I do appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thanks!