This performance does not use Chopin's orchestration. Ormandy chose an excellent re-orchestrated version by the Russian composer, pianist, and conductor Vasily Safanoff (1852 - 1918).
I prefer Chopin's orchestration for this but that's not the problem here. Conductors in the past used to do this thing called "arrangement" We don't see it anymore because we DO NOT have real conductors anymore. The composer that suffered the most is Johan Sebastian Bach. There was a time when we could listen to baroque music played on heavy symphony orchestras. Eugene Ormandy used to have a lot of Bach concerts performed in that way. Another great one was Leopold Stokowski probably my favorite because he also made those half composition pieces called "transcriptions" where he would actually orchestrate himself Bach compositions that were originally for organ or harpsichord.
@@FriendlyCroock Transcription s of Bach or re-orchestrations or re-arrangements, or whatever, are appropriate with Bach as his music (as is the music of the pre-Classical era) far less idiomatic. Bach himself did this all the time. It is NOT so appropriate with composers of a later ilk. No one would think it acceptable to re-arrange a concerto by Brahms or even Beethoven. Chopin? No reason at all to touch it. Unless you think you're improving it, which, I would guess,, would be a difficult task, and leads to a slippery slope of changes.
Fantastic! Only leaves me wonder how I had never heard of this beautiful piece before. It strangely seems to precurse elements of the style of Camille Saint-Saëns..
He actually wrote about five or six of them, including this piece, the variations on "La ci darem da mano", the Krakowiak, and the Allegro de Concert, the start to his projected Piano Concerto no. 3 (posthumously orchestrated).
@@TheodoreServin oh, I've always listened to the piano solo of "là ci darem la mano" so I didn't remember it was a piano concerto lol. I didn't know the other ones though, thanks!
The original orchestration is MUCH better and more imaginative than the one used in this recording. People tend to forget that this was written in the 1820s. Beethoven was literally still alive at the time of Chopin writing this. This is some great orchestration for his time! Besides, half of those "improvements" just consist of moving oboe soli into the clarinet's parts and vice versa without any reason, ridiculous! Nevertheless, great piece.
Wasnt his 2nd Piano concerto his first piano + Orchestra work? I think his 2nd concerto (actually his 1st) was wrtitten before Op. 11 and before Op. 13
This is what I found though: Variations on "Là ci darem la mano" Op. 2 (composed 1827) Piano Concerto No. 1 Op. 11 (composed 1830) Grande fantaisie sur des airs polonais Op. 13 (composed 1828-1830) Krakowiak Op. 14 (composed 1828) Piano Concerto No. 2 Op. 21 (composed 1829-1830) Andante spianato et Grande polonaise brillante Op. 22 (composed 1830-1834)
I would assume there would be many orchestrations of Chopin's orchestral works. For this there is probably Chopin's original score (as shown in the video), and many other orchestrations which are actually good and listenable.
나는 희빈 장씨니라 꺄아하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하하
This performance does not use Chopin's orchestration. Ormandy chose an excellent re-orchestrated version by the Russian composer, pianist, and conductor Vasily Safanoff (1852 - 1918).
Ooh, so that explains it. :D
Thanks for the info.
I prefer Chopin's orchestration for this but that's not the problem here.
Conductors in the past used to do this thing called "arrangement"
We don't see it anymore because we DO NOT have real conductors anymore.
The composer that suffered the most is Johan Sebastian Bach.
There was a time when we could listen to baroque music played on heavy symphony orchestras. Eugene Ormandy used to have a lot of Bach concerts performed in that way. Another great one was Leopold Stokowski probably my favorite because he also made those half composition pieces called "transcriptions" where he would actually orchestrate himself Bach compositions that were originally for organ or harpsichord.
I prefer this version of orchestration for sure, With Rubinstein’s virtuosity! It’s just spectacular!
@@FriendlyCroock Transcription s of Bach or re-orchestrations or re-arrangements, or whatever, are appropriate with Bach as his music (as is the music of the pre-Classical era) far less idiomatic. Bach himself did this all the time. It is NOT so appropriate with composers of a later ilk. No one would think it acceptable to re-arrange a concerto by Brahms or even Beethoven. Chopin? No reason at all to touch it. Unless you think you're improving it, which, I would guess,, would be a difficult task, and leads to a slippery slope of changes.
One of my favorite pieces of Chopin, so neglected, yet so beautiful. Thank you!
I don‘t remember composing this but I like it
Haha
Ahahahahah 😂
You improvised it on a crappy piano near Poznan, maybe that's why?
@@mckernan603 Not bad for a crappy piano near Poznan! Lol
Thank you so much Chopin for your great music
Andantino - 3:54
Allegretto - 7:14
beautiful,thank you for sharing💐💐💐
Fantastic! Only leaves me wonder how I had never heard of this beautiful piece before. It strangely seems to precurse elements of the style of Camille Saint-Saëns..
the score's orchestration doesnt match with the audio...
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Yo was los
@@TheodoreServin - So, you didn't notice how, instead of violins playing the first few bars, the oboe did?
Either another edition exists and I'm an idiot, or they made some adlibs and they're geniuses.
@@declamatory Yeah, I noticed. Not to big a deal though.
I have heard a version where the strings start, though, so I guess the score was revised.
지워지지않을 그 연둣빛과도 같은 나, 상감마마 미워요이니라.
I thought there were only two piano concertos by chopin but this is basically another one ಠ_ರೃ
He actually wrote about five or six of them, including this piece, the variations on "La ci darem da mano", the Krakowiak, and the Allegro de Concert, the start to his projected Piano Concerto no. 3 (posthumously orchestrated).
@@TheodoreServin oh, I've always listened to the piano solo of "là ci darem la mano" so I didn't remember it was a piano concerto lol. I didn't know the other ones though, thanks!
@@rubber7506
There is no "Allegro de Concert" like he told you.
But there is the grand polonaise brilliant.
@@fyfyi6053 Chopin‘s Allegro de Concert is Opus 46. So it exists.
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He forgot to tell him about the grand polonaise brilliant. Allegro de concert isn't orchestrated by Chopin.
The original orchestration is MUCH better and more imaginative than the one used in this recording. People tend to forget that this was written in the 1820s. Beethoven was literally still alive at the time of Chopin writing this. This is some great orchestration for his time!
Besides, half of those "improvements" just consist of moving oboe soli into the clarinet's parts and vice versa without any reason, ridiculous! Nevertheless, great piece.
Wasnt his 2nd Piano concerto his first piano + Orchestra work?
I think his 2nd concerto (actually his 1st) was wrtitten before Op. 11 and before Op. 13
This is what I found though:
Variations on "Là ci darem la mano" Op. 2 (composed 1827)
Piano Concerto No. 1 Op. 11 (composed 1830)
Grande fantaisie sur des airs polonais Op. 13 (composed 1828-1830)
Krakowiak Op. 14 (composed 1828)
Piano Concerto No. 2 Op. 21 (composed 1829-1830)
Andante spianato et Grande polonaise brillante Op. 22 (composed 1830-1834)
This is correct
Wasn’t Pixis (the dedicatee) also a pianist? Was he a close friend of Chopin?
Yes.
Are there several orchestrations for this piece? Do you happen to know where these differences come from?
I would assume there would be many orchestrations of Chopin's orchestral works. For this there is probably Chopin's original score (as shown in the video), and many other orchestrations which are actually good and listenable.
3:56
Who was Chopin's orchestration teacher?
Józef Elsner
@Fiendish Feline what why?
LingLing
Stop
Maybe I'm not a kid
r/PieceoftheDay featured this piece today, February 1st, 2022.
i saw the post, thank yu very much for sharing. ^_^
What’s up with this score.. not the music playing for sure
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