The 'Woke-ification' of Science | Michael Shermer | EP08
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"People don't trust these science magazines anymore, they don't trust medical institutions"
In this episode, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Michael Shermer delve into the importance of scepticism and transparency. They discuss Michael’s own work in this field, both as prolific science writer and publisher of Skeptic Magazine. From woke-ism in science, to freedom of the press, to ‘blank slate’ theory, they cover all the bases to give a sharp analysis of contemporary Western culture.
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As early as the 1980s, it was becoming evident that the intrusion of politics and ideology into science was an emerging issue.
Could you give an example?
@@raahustaja7267. Look at the money flowing into nuclear power safety issues. The reality, known even in the 80’s, is that nuclear power is x10,000 safer (based on deaths per MW) than coal power, for example. However, the money flowing into safety research went into discrediting nuclear power.
Not just science, but everywhere. For example, same-sex marriage. Who am I to argue against a same sex couple living together, getting the same benefits (tax breaks) and dangers (divorce) as opposite sexes. Why go after the churches to preform same sex marriages? As for Gay Pride and new 'sex ed' in schools there is a difference between acceptance and promotion. It's OK to wish your children to get married and have their own children. Just ask an evolutionary biologist.
We're slow.
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Giordano Bruno, burned at the stake for heresy.
"On 17 February 1600, in the Campo de' Fiori (a central Roman market square), naked, with his "tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words", he was burned alive at the stake."
In fact apart from embracing the Copernican model of the solar system he was wrong about pretty much everything else, but he kept on challenging the established wisdom of the Church and asking awkward questions so he had to go.
As a 35 year old untenured assistant professor who has been speaking out since 10/7….thank you for this. It’s been hell.
Thank you for speaking out.
As an 80s science student we used to mock activist humanities degrees as toilet paper little did we know they'd hold a whole civilization enslaved to employ their useless degrees.
In my uni in the 80s there was a sign above the toilet roll saying “PhDs - please take one”
The Humanities Departments are the most politicized of all University departments, and nearly all skew left.
@@MalachiWhite-tw7hl they are publishing papers which has 40% of them, have some level of fraud.
Here in the UK I subscribed to the New Scientist for several decades. I noticed what later became known as " Wokeness" creeping in about 20 years ago. I gave up about 10 years ago. It had become the Non Scientist. I now follow my science on alternative media.
The woke pandemic needs to end.
The woke right are gone off the deep end, I couldn't agree more.
@@peznino1the woke right and woke left arr both pagan. Wokeness is a strict adherence to a set of contextual virtues in regard to the antithesis of Hegelian dialectism. The synthesis has taken place making those contextual virtues nonsensical dogmatic vices. MAGA is the new antithesis.
@@peznino1 Spoken like a good little NPC. Your programmers must be pleased with the effectiveness of their code.
The mind virus has infected too many NPCs now. The zombie apocalypse is already upon us.
I saw it in industry in 2012. Students coming out of college had warped views putting feelings before rational discourse.
I saw it in 1964.
What is the predominant gender in colleges nowadays? Who also want their trillions of dollars of student loans dismissed. It’s strange but nobody suggested that with my student loans.
@@garyfrancis6193exactly the bourgeoisie demanding the proletariat pay for the ideological subversion/indoctrination/grooming of the most vulnerable of society.
@@garyfrancis6193 The most predominant gender in colleges is now Klingon.
I find this very distressing. How can our institutions, like education, justice and medicine, allow a mystic driven ideology to dictate law and policy to the point that we remove healthy tissue from teenagers, teach mysticism in science class and actually have libraries hire drag strippers to teach kindergarteners how to 'twerk'. Utter madness.
the answer is the fact that gender ideology makes money for the wealthy and well connected--gender affirming industry is a billion-dollar industry!
Your use of the word "mystic" seems a little odd, as it usually means "in touch with God or the Ultimate Reality". Check your dictionary 🙂
One more thing if you don't mind. ALL this crap is being promoted by women. It is female school boards, female curriculum experts, female social workers and counselors teaching and promoting this from K through 12. It is female librarians bringing in drag queens. It is female librarians putting porn in school libraries. It is female kindergarten teachers teaching 4 year olds to masturbate. It is female teachers transitioning these kids and not informing the parents. It is female professors teaching this crap in teacher training. It is female surgeons making tons of money on mutilation surgery and the endless continued treatment for infections, etc.
So there is another thing to think about. The question in my mind is wtf is wrong with women? I mean women redrum at least one million "clusters of cells" every year ... 97% of which are for CONVENIENCE???. Women think that is their "right" to control their bodies. What? Eliminating someone elses body is not controlling your body, it is murdering the result of your irresponsible lust.
If women could control your bodies, their lust, their slatternly character, women WOULD NOT NEED license to act like pest exterminators. Only 70 million people died in WW2 whereas women exterminate more humans than that EVERY YEAR.
@@PeterOzanne actually, the proper term may be "gnostic" rather than mystic.
@albertfromgc5599 Yes, sure, but maybe potayto potato, what's in a name? My point is still that the "ideology" referred to definitely has nothing to do with experiencing God or enlightenment 😊
In 2000 I canceled my subscription to Scientific American because they began tilting towards the dark side. Up until 2000, it was one of the best, logically sound and open minded publications in the world, now it's less creditable than than Mad magazine.
AYAAN YOU ARE EXAMPLE OF THE COURAGE BRAVERY AND WISDOM! WARRIOR FOR THE TRUTH! THANK YOU. LOVE AND RESPECT ❤
Michael Shermer is a man of logic and wisdom. Great guest!
Thank you so much! Your podcast is a breath of fresh air!!
I cancelled my subscription to New Scientist a decade ago after tiring of the ideological shift from science fact to religious orthodoxy.
I unsubscribed like 2 decades ago. Got a long letter or email that they did not like my reason that I did not like each other issue a big/main article was about a quantum theory.
Michael and Ayaan are among the last heroes for truth and freedom of thought and speech.
Love this podcast.
We don't deserve Ayaan Hirsi Ali. She is the epitome of a lady: grace, intellect, erudition, curiosity. She is wonderful, thank you Michael Shermer. It is absolutely shameful the way you were treated by "Scientific" "American". They are dead to me.
neil degrass tyson is a fool
Remember, when Neil was getting “me too?” Then he started saying men can be women and the me too suddenly went away. Coincidence? I think not
"WOKE" fool !!!!
He isn’t really fool - but he has let his mind become twisted by perverse ideology. There’s a lot of smart people in the same boat.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I have read portions of your books. I discovered your TH-cam podcast today. You are an incredible person. America is blessed by your presence. Thank you for inviting Dr. Michael Shermer. Your input and your influence will be greatly appreciated as America recuperates from the grievous wound of WOKEness. America had a "prophet" who wrote about the emergence of the WOKE ideology in her book, The Bean Trees, in 1988. Her name is Barbara Kingsolver.
One way to call out the wokeists is to correct their language. They themselves say language is power, in that they are correct. So use it against them, and question what they mean when they say “People of colour”. Aske them do you include white people in that, given white is a colour just as much as black is? When you order a new iPhone and select the colour, ‘white’ is valid option. If you drive a white van then the colour of your vehicle is ‘white’.
So please explain what you mean.
If you really mean ‘non-white’, then from now on please use the correct language and say ‘non-white’.
When they use that term I point out to them that 100s of 1000s of Aboriginal Australians look "white" due to having partial European parentage. The term is idiotic.
@@James-q1m7jjimin NZ you can have one great grandparent who thought of themselves as Maori (1/8th) and you qualify for government subsidies to overcome the oppression you have been subjected to.
It's the reasoning the bloody Nazis used.
Correcting language is a cosmetic exercise. It's more important to correct the mis-facts and lies told by woke. For example: correct the lie that gender "dysphoric" kids will suicide if not transitioned. The facts are the opposite: suicides are more likely after surgical and hormone interventions in kids lives.
Something I find interesting is that currently, calling someone a "person of colour" is seen as being non-racist and "politically correct".
But calling someone "coloured" is seen as being racist!.
Yet the term "coloured" was originally introduced specifically because it was considered non-racist and "politically correct" and to replace "black" which "politically correct" people had decided was racist.
I wonder how long it will be until POC is designated as being racist, and what new term will replace it.
@sibanought It's almost as if the Left are now a religion of manners. Everyone must kow tow in the correct way and use all the approved forms of address. Unless one is a leftist activist - in which case - any kind of abuse against unapproved groups is allowed! Such politics fails.
I always wondered why humans are the only animal that supposedly is a blank slate? It never made sense to me
I went into Math because I thought logic would be the last resort for people who don’t think about anything else than this.
Boy, was I wrong! Gender distraction out of the blue, Math became a thing that needed to be reformed - and women were massively promoting “the change”.
Stunning.
It is the perversion of the fundamental construct of language and grammar that facilitates all of this.
Ayaan, please invite Kellie-Jay Keane on for an interview regarding the top of women's rights. She is forthright, sensible and hugely courageous. In my opinion she is the leading voice to push back against the T nonsense. She's also highly effective, and vilified by the TRAs as a result.
I recently read Conspiracy, and found it informative and well-written. It's good to hear Michael Shermer speak on your show, Ayaan. I also love your book Prey.
How is this even a debate in the 21st century. Madness! Total Madness.
The problem with "common sense" is that it isn't very common...
33:30 Sowell calls it the constrained vs unconstrained vision
I am not allowed to comment on any of these things because TH-cam deletes them. HAS ANYONE ELSE HAD THEIR VOICES SILENCED BY TH-cam?
Yes, I’ve had my comments, that go against the TH-cam Commi/socialists beliefs, deleted for years!
Many times 😢 ... !
I've noticed the deleting of my comments has increased dramatically in the last couple of months (I guess because AI is being used to do it), and that there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to what does or doesn't get deleted - it seems quite random (I guess because the AI is still being trained).
Having free speech censored by invisible humans is alarming enough, but having it censored by invisible AI is just beyond Orwellian!!
I see that the reply I posted 5 minutes ago has now disappeared...
I mentioned AI...
Plenty of my posts have been taken down. This double standard they have needs to be reported to the Trump administration...
so grateful for AYAAN HIRSI ALI’s posts.
We have to listen and share her brilliant insights
"This isn't the 1950's anymore." You sure got that right.
I know a former Russian scientist, extremely eminent, I will not mention the prize he earned except to say that there is no highest prize in his field.
He is scared to teach..... and he could get a job anywhere. But he is scared.... sadly.
Thank you again great conversation
Are we awake now🕊
So soothing hearing her voice 🧘🏼
33:50 - With regard to a label to describe the woke perspective on human nature; from a philosophical perspective it's Cartesian subjectivism - as opposed to, a largely unrealised Galilean/scientific objectivism.
The idea of a 'blank slate' - or 'tabula rasa' is inappropriate. It was a concept employed (erroneously) by political theorist John Locke. It may serve descriptively, but doesn't speak to the correct philosophical tradition. Locke was an empiricist. Not a subjectivist.
Empiricism focuses on objective data gathered through observation and experimentation, aiming to establish truths based on empirical evidence.
Subjectivism focuses on individual perception and interpretation, suggesting that there is no absolute truth outside of one's own experience.
To use the term blank slate would be to conflate philosophical traditions, and confuse the issue. Rather, you might use the term 'solipsist' as an accurate, and pejorative description; an extreme form of subjectivist idealism that describes a state of knowing nothing but oneself.
Trans is a subjectivist denial of the objective reality of biological sex in the social construction of gender; leapt upon by subjectivist scholars when a Dr Money transitioned a boy named David Raimer in the 1960's, and wrote up his findings; claiming that gender is a social construct, years before everything for David Raimer turned very ugly indeed.
Surgically altered, and raised as a girl from infancy - in theory David should have 'been' a girl; but his biological sex reasserted itself in adolescence, and long story short, he ultimately took his own life.
But by then, Dr Money, and the subjectivist scholars had run with the idea, and they didn't look back to see the human wreckage in their wake.
Also, kind of solipsistic. The same state of mind a mediocre athlete must adopt when setting records in the women's league - the idea there's nothing beyond themselves.
Solipsists!
Michael Shermer does a 9 hour course on skepticism at the Peterson Academy. We are very fortunate to be educated by those who have experience, wisdom and qualifications.
Scientific american had been great in the past. I grew up with it. The columns of Gardner and then Hofstadter (metamagical themas) are still today legendary. It drew me into math and science. I don't see the attraction any more today personally. One reason definitely is that has become more agenda driven. A science journal for example should not actually endorse political candidates at all. I'm actually surprised to see that the publication is still around.
My grandfather had a Scientific American subscription in the 70s/80s, it's part of what got me interested in Science. I remember talking in the late 90s to the STB hubby of a female friend, a PhD working on AIDS research/medications, and he was impressed at my ability to talk intelligently with him about protease inhibitors, etc - not that I could hold his PhD level of understanding of course, but that I could ask intelligent questions, etc.
Many intellectuals were so sheltered in NYC and LA that they are now surprised but this has been happening for decades. I noticed college graduates in the early 2000's were using buzz words that made me worry- where were they picking up these concepts? An early one was "people want to be dealing with people (whether doctor, lawyer, police) that look like them." But even in the 1980's most English professors had us read stories universally critical of the US experience. In the NYC public schools in the 1980's we had self-admitted communists as HS teachers. Many of my graduate degree teachers in economics were professed socialists. It is a minor point but when OJ Simpson got off on murder BECAUSE he was black and the assumption was that the police were racist and the media was OK with this. Narrative has been trumping truth for many years now.
There is an excellent interview on PBS, surprisingly, with Megan Kelly about Donald Trump. She explains Trump's behavior and thought process better than anyone I've seen so far. People need to understand why so many other people voted for Trump. He's brash and crude and off putting sometimes, the way he speaks is often confusing to me at least, but.... He's not afraid of anything. He says he will do something and he does it. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks. That's why so many people love the guy. He calls out the silliness in America, the 500 genders and such nonsense. Ordinary people are sick of the stupidity in the Democrat party. They don't believe he did anything wrong, even if they do, they say, you gave Bill Clinton a pass, we'll give Trump a pass. See? That's how it works.
I understand all that. But it doesn’t take away from the fact that trump is TOTALLY unfit to lead the country. After just 2 weeks, his approach should make that patently obvious.
Those who push equity do not actually want everyone to be equal. They want 99% to be equal, and below a 1%, to which they belong, and you get into that 1% by virtue and certificate, not merit.
I guess now you know how Lysenkoism could happen. 10yrs ago this was not so obvious to everyone.
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Yes, the Editorial staff at Nature has gone downhill with woke nonsense- particularly in the News blurbs and editorials, which discredits them, makes me worry about their selection/review process for research publications at least in anything that even peripherally touches the sacred cows of wokeism. New England journal too
These people are NOT telling the truth. It is NOT just the unbridled expression of male lust - is permission given to do this to infidel females in an ancient book written by a sex trafficker.
AFIK not all abused children are abusers, BUT most if not all abusers were abused.
The left activists defined "gender" as different from biological sex. But most people used "gender" as a synonym of biological sex. We used to call people who fit their concept of a gender spectrum as just more masculine or more feminine.
People who believe in science know there are two sexes, female (XX) and male (XY) - in terms of genitalia and other features, exceptions are rare and do not disprove the 'rule' (XX vs. XY).
Some people are more formed by social relationships, and science knowledge is optional or unnecessary in their lifestyle. These people feel free to define male and female as genders, vague and flexible terms that can mean whatever the speaker/writer wants them to mean, and they enjoy trying to force others to use terms the ways they approve of. (E.g., Are you "cis-gender," or do you refuse to use a term like that? )
Unfortunately, the less rational, socially oriented, woke folks seem to be winning lately in the culture wars, with the hyper-rational, scientific people as a less powerful minority. Hopefully, truth will win in the end (and post-modernism is wrong, "truth" is not a foolish outdated idea).
We used to mess around with gender roles- for fun.
I’m glad I was introduced to Dr John Money. That guy was sick
He’s such a nice man. I disagree with a lot of his various debunking attempts but he is always reasonable. I’m 100% with him on this.
For some reasons these episodes don’t appear on the Spotify feed.
Any explanation?
Spotify is just as bad as boob tube for censorship.
Censorship
"She's pretty woke." This IS what DEI hiring is about. It's always been a motte-and-bailey. You're supposed to think it involves hiring "people of color", etc. (which is racist and illegal), but it's actually about hiring cadres--using the Maoist definition here. These cadres are trained in the literature of woke scholarship, and are there solely to turn the organization into a tool of the revolution.
It's quite easy to be a scientist these days. Here, I'll show you. I'm a scientist. See, easy, isn't it?
Just do your own research bro!!
(if you want to provide citations, Joe Rogan and Alex Jones are all you need).
B.F. Skinner would be proud
Nice to see that even card carrying materials can see the harm and stupidity of woke-ism. Well done lads!
thank you Ayaan. very informative
Very important and insightful discussion!❤❤
This is priority information
This is a severely needed exposure of the hell DEI / Woke as raged on us.
God, Ayaan Hirsi Ali my hero!😍
There are organizations standing up for children.
Tuttle Twins, Prager University, The John Birch Society, Jordan Peterson.
Cheers for this
If someone thinks asking what causes child abuse is equivalent to excusing it they are a moron
It is not a matter of intelligence ("moron"), it involves a power struggle: some people are trying to control and manage public discussions, pressuring and intimidating others into conformity with a particular view of agenda. If you touch someone's sacred cow, expect to receive their wrath, and then do the work to refute their foolishness.
@jondevaney6860 two things can be true. Most people with bad ideas aren't bullies but they are unintelligent. I don't think any has ever considered child abuse a "sacred cow"
They assume an explanation of a contributing cause of evil somehow justifies and excuses the perpetrator. Unfortunately, this attitude helps perpetuate evil in the world. No amount of water could have stopped the fire after it was raging through the community, so the water shortage wasn't significant, Putin's attack was unprovoked and if you don't agree, you supported the invasion, etc. Until the reason so many turn into perverts and abuse children is understood, the problem will continue to get worse.
So on equality of outcomes. Fine. But that doesn't mean *unbound* inequality.
7:10 You can put as much social pressure on these fields as you want. Biology always prevails.
It always depends who is paying your paycheck, you produce the results that your employer wants.
Hirsi-Ali doesn't believe in science anymore either since she apparently thinks resurrection is real.
Shermer admitting that religion is a positive base for social balance and sanity. I would have thought that hell would freeze over before he admitted that. Few have attacked religion more viciously than him. He paved the way for this insanity.
Someone tell Neil.
an excellent dialogue!!
it should be noted that: it is very a recent development that Europe has "evolved" to considered itself a bastion of moral turpitude and respect of women's rights/physical autonomy/safety. the idea of the culture of southern European/Mediterranean males (spain/italy/greece/france) who treated women as "sheep fat" was so popularly known and accepted as to become a well used artistic trope in mainstream music, films and even in children's cartoons, exemplified by characters like "Pepe le Pew"! until relatively recently these European "ogling", "wolf whistling", "bottom pinching" objectifiers of women were even romanticized and lionized in media as the "latin lovers". just saying...
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I´m glad the video quality is finally ok.
No third grader 10 years ago would've bought any of this nonsense!
Most scientists will say whatever they are paid to say.
17:56 lol. Oops. Michael conflated the substitution hypothesis with “replacement theory.” Oops.
Great discussion! Jesus is King! Let’s all act as his servants
I swear if i hear a phobia. Im going to ask what is the phobia when people and afriad of other not being afraid. Ill call them that phobia 😅
The solution is to nationalize the currency supply.
wef plan SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE YET?
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Ali and Shermer are intelligent people but to idolize Musk for speaking out about the 2011 grooming gangs saga in the UK shows a serious lack of judgement and a major slip in the cognitive powers. What Musk did and said is frankly disgraceful as well as racist and misinformed. Ali and Shermer should know better.
Are you part of XiPings 50 cent Army?
UFOs were a very good cover story for government doing some things that the general population did not want . One of the things I know about is the use of UFOs in Roswell as a cover story to cover the training of the Luftwaffe in the 1950's . Training our west German allies had skeptics after a major war with Germany. UFOs was a cover story to misdirect questions.
25y2m it is groundhog day day groundhog day groundhog day it's groundhog day it's groundhog day today
The Scientific American. Ya know, that work of fiction.. Scientific American used to be good.
Cancer.
Yes, but when is he going to discover that you CAN prove a negative?
Sometimes, you often can't. Depends on the negative.
@@hooligan9794 Could you provide an example?
@stephannaro2113 Disprove the invisible, intangible, undetectable beings who are all around us!
@ Well, first of all, that isn't the scenario to which "you can't prove a negative" is normally proffered, but how did you come by your knowledge of these things?
@stephannaro2113 The knowledge was magically entered into my brain by God.
Also, this is exactly the kind of claim that "you can't prove a negative" is deployed against.
The number 1 claim is "I don't believe in your God"
"Prove god doesn't exist"
"I can't prove a negative"
'Woke-ification' is the lamest term I have ever seen used.
Isnt it true that shermer has Trump Derangement Syndrome?
No it isn’t true.
But it is true that people that believe in Trump are deranged.
No it isn’t true.
But it is true that people that believe in Trump are deranged.
Well lots of people who did have TDS 8 years ago now welcome these changes by Trump. Things have gone too far.
@@angelawest9759 He may be good regarding the woke bs but he’s bad for most everything else.
What is the scientific bases for that term? It simply is a thought-terminating cliche designed to attack the person not the argument. TDS can go the other way too. That is, it is an inflection that certain people have when anyone others criticize Trump. Some call it Trump Derangement Derangement Syndrome. Let's play that game and see how far it gets us.
This conversation is so pathetically ignorant. Ill😂leave it at that given the nature of the opening line.
Ive got diaper rash right now
SALMAN MOMIKA has just been assassinated.
All part of the pattern.
R.I.P.
Most religions except Islam is civilized.