I absolutely love this!!! Truth be told, I feel like that's what makes "this industry" drive is that it, at its core, is built on the relationships between creatives. I'm still a student looking for work with other students not because I just want to get experience on my belt, but moreso because I really do enjoy helping and assisting writers and directors' visions come to life. Taking a genuine interest into another creative's idea and valuing them more than just what they can "offer you" but for who they are as a living, breathing human, is super important. I'd like to believe that no matter how the industry evolves with changes like AI etc, relationship building is something that is integral to human socialization. And so long as a person tries to genuinely engage with others, you may always have a shot at collaborating with others.
I agree, regardless of AI, these principles of collaboration and connecting with people are what creating great film and television are all about! Appreciate the comment🙏
What you say makes perfect sense to me personally. Even in other areas of life, positive relationships don't just happen overnight - it's more like a small miracle. As a rule, we look to see if we are on the same page as much as possible with our counterpart, because then we're a good bit further along. Sometimes it's just not meant to be, that's okay. We just shouldn't despair. Once again, it's very valuable advice from you. Thank you so much Jonas, and have a successful and joyful week! Frank :)
Another great video! I feel inspired to add. In my experience (not a pro composer), all of my relationships so far have started from doing just what you said, but for me, it's been reaching out to composers whose work I was and still am genuinely inspired and frankly blown away by. So far, this is how basically all of my composer relationships have started. I just enjoy nerding out and checking in on these people, sending sketches or various pieces back and forth, etc. This in itself has made me not only more connected to people who are already doing what I am aiming to do, it's also made me a much better composer. Having people in my circle that are way better composers than me has really elevated my own writing. Also has led to me working with a mentor and over quite some time there has even been some talk of collaborating, which arose very organically. This was not ever my goal, but I'm sure if I would've led with this, the dialogue may have never even began. Above all though, I consider these people my friends now! I would reiterate what you said, it's important to reach out from a sincere place, not because you want work or are trying to achieve your own means through someone else. Thanks for the video, really love your stuff and hope to see the channel continually grow, it definitely deserves to!
Exactly! This was my approach and over the course of 10 years those relationships all compounded and grew into my career. I personally believe the approach you mention is the most effective to building a career with consistent work where you can learn and grow while expanding your network. Really great add and I appreciate the kind words about the channel 🤘
Thank you for sharing this information, Jonas 💐❤👏🏻 Sending Cold Emails and finding a gig is one of the toughest tastks in my opinion that one masters with trial and error, in addition to the advice from other well experienced composers.
My pleasure @mikepianist1000 - I agree, it’s a very difficult process especially when you have limited credits and experience starting out. However, like everything if you keep going and work through that trial and error it gets easier and can be very rewarding
Quick help... how can I find what project big composers are working on to cold email them as you said? Or any info of this kind that could be helpful to contact them? Also, where email addresses of these people could be found once you discovered what project they're working on? Great video as usual anyway, thank you so much!
@gioo_wav - it’s not about finding people working on a project in the moment. It’s about building relationships with people over time, where there are opportunities to be of value to them. If you’re asking about meeting other composers to get in their studio, I’d start by making a list of every working composer today- look for tv shows and films in all categories from the past 3-4 years. Then look to see who has available contact information. For the ones that do, learn as much about them as possible by researching them online and listening extensively to their work. Based on all of that information make a list of ways you may be able to help add value to their workflow and make an introduction. It also doesn’t hurt to find other people who already work in these studios and try to connect with them. They would know first hand what their lead composer is in need of and may be in a position to recommend someone if at some point they or someone else leaves the studio and there’s an opening
Rick, I guess I just saw the new line-up of Pinkpop in Heerlen the Netherlands for next year with the name Billionaire on main stage!;) I'd like to see you perform with your band; great energy and musically very interesting.
Great video with expert advice. Thank you for this! 😊 Question: Do you still take this approach in your career when attracting more work or is it more referral based now? Thank you.
I cold email people constantly because new opportunities open up when you put yourself out there consistently and make new friends - I don’t really cold email asking for a job anymore but instead just focus on connecting. Some of my work has come from people I’ve worked with beforr - some from cold outreach that I nurtured over time after getting a response and building a relationship - when you get an agent sometimes they can help find opportunities to pitch for ad well- it’s just like every other business where you want to take an Omni channel approach to planting seeds and cultivating opportunities over time. Hope this helps!
That makes a lot of sense but the question I have is, how do you find individuals contact details so you may connect with them directly? Social media has a tendency to leave direct messaging ignored, especially if the person in question is quite popular so that leaves a direct email address. Do you just find people who have made their contact details public?
@JeanLoupRSmith - this is a really great question. At the end of the day SOME people are simply not accessible. You do your research, and look for a way to make an introduction, however, if they've made sure their information is not available, than that is a signifier this is not the type of person open to starting a dialogue in the first place. It's the reason that I likely don't know of anyone who has found success through IMDB cold emailing alone. This is less common when trying to reach individuals at earlier stages of their writing, directing and producing career. In many cases creators who are in those earlier stages (but still working on quality projects), they have websites, or linkedin pages where you can try starting a dialogue. However, as I say in the video, I really encourage people to not just try doing this online, which everyone does since it's so convenient. I personally feel music creators who make attempts at meeting people in the real world will find more opportunities to learn about projects and people who they can reach out to.
I find it hard to keep the conversation going after reaching out to somebody praising their past work or asking a question about what they're currently working on. The responses I've gotten are generally along the lines of "Thank you, I'm proud of the project". I struggle to know how to keep that conversation going and present myself as someone that is worth spending time chatting with-hopefully building a relationship with. In order words, it's difficult to communicate that I have value to offer in an email complimenting their work. It's like when you're talking with someone that isn't interested in you, and so the only way to keep the conversation going is for you to keep asking questions about them.
@supershred5000 - it definitely not easy and takes a lot of time…but the point here is not to keep the conversation going after just reaching out to compliment their work. The compliment is the only intention … sometimes you’ll get a good response, sometimes not. When you do get a good response, make a note and next time it’s relevant, maybe they have something new they’re working on, you reach out again and try to take the conversation just one step further. It’s about creating familiarity first Like I said, some people just won’t be interested in which case that’s fine and should be expected.
@@jonasfriedman I'm in the phase of looking for opportunities to be part of projects so the topic really piqued my interest 😅 (tales of a baby composer)
I absolutely love this!!! Truth be told, I feel like that's what makes "this industry" drive is that it, at its core, is built on the relationships between creatives. I'm still a student looking for work with other students not because I just want to get experience on my belt, but moreso because I really do enjoy helping and assisting writers and directors' visions come to life.
Taking a genuine interest into another creative's idea and valuing them more than just what they can "offer you" but for who they are as a living, breathing human, is super important.
I'd like to believe that no matter how the industry evolves with changes like AI etc, relationship building is something that is integral to human socialization. And so long as a person tries to genuinely engage with others, you may always have a shot at collaborating with others.
I agree, regardless of AI, these principles of collaboration and connecting with people are what creating great film and television are all about! Appreciate the comment🙏
What you say makes perfect sense to me personally. Even in other areas of life, positive relationships don't just happen overnight - it's more like a small miracle. As a rule, we look to see if we are on the same page as much as possible with our counterpart, because then we're a good bit further along. Sometimes it's just not meant to be, that's okay. We just shouldn't despair. Once again, it's very valuable advice from you. Thank you so much Jonas, and have a successful and joyful week! Frank :)
Thanks Franks! As always I appreciate your input here…a successful and joyful weekend to you as well
Thanks!
Another great video! I feel inspired to add.
In my experience (not a pro composer), all of my relationships so far have started from doing just what you said, but for me, it's been reaching out to composers whose work I was and still am genuinely inspired and frankly blown away by. So far, this is how basically all of my composer relationships have started. I just enjoy nerding out and checking in on these people, sending sketches or various pieces back and forth, etc.
This in itself has made me not only more connected to people who are already doing what I am aiming to do, it's also made me a much better composer. Having people in my circle that are way better composers than me has really elevated my own writing. Also has led to me working with a mentor and over quite some time there has even been some talk of collaborating, which arose very organically. This was not ever my goal, but I'm sure if I would've led with this, the dialogue may have never even began.
Above all though, I consider these people my friends now! I would reiterate what you said, it's important to reach out from a sincere place, not because you want work or are trying to achieve your own means through someone else. Thanks for the video, really love your stuff and hope to see the channel continually grow, it definitely deserves to!
Exactly! This was my approach and over the course of 10 years those relationships all compounded and grew into my career. I personally believe the approach you mention is the most effective to building a career with consistent work where you can learn and grow while expanding your network. Really great add and I appreciate the kind words about the channel 🤘
Great tips and amazing production quality on your channel, just discovered you! Looking forward to seeing more! 😊
Thanks @jeduardolopezo Greta to have you hear!
Thank you for sharing this information, Jonas 💐❤👏🏻
Sending Cold Emails and finding a gig is one of the toughest tastks in my opinion that one masters with trial and error, in addition to the advice from other well experienced composers.
My pleasure @mikepianist1000 - I agree, it’s a very difficult process especially when you have limited credits and experience starting out. However, like everything if you keep going and work through that trial and error it gets easier and can be very rewarding
Quick help... how can I find what project big composers are working on to cold email them as you said? Or any info of this kind that could be helpful to contact them?
Also, where email addresses of these people could be found once you discovered what project they're working on?
Great video as usual anyway, thank you so much!
@gioo_wav - it’s not about finding people working on a project in the moment. It’s about building relationships with people over time, where there are opportunities to be of value to them. If you’re asking about meeting other composers to get in their studio, I’d start by making a list of every working composer today- look for tv shows and films in all categories from the past 3-4 years. Then look to see who has available contact information. For the ones that do, learn as much about them as possible by researching them online and listening extensively to their work. Based on all of that information make a list of ways you may be able to help add value to their workflow and make an introduction. It also doesn’t hurt to find other people who already work in these studios and try to connect with them. They would know first hand what their lead composer is in need of and may be in a position to recommend someone if at some point they or someone else leaves the studio and there’s an opening
@@jonasfriedman I’ll try for sure this way of contacting 🙏
Thanks again for your videos!
Rick, I guess I just saw the new line-up of Pinkpop in Heerlen the Netherlands for next year with the name Billionaire on main stage!;) I'd like to see you perform with your band; great energy and musically very interesting.
Wrong video. Switched accidentally.
all good!
Great guide! Thanks for sharing your experience
Thanks for the video! Really great insight and tips!
My pleasure!
Great video with expert advice. Thank you for this! 😊
Question: Do you still take this approach in your career when attracting more work or is it more referral based now? Thank you.
I cold email people constantly because new opportunities open up when you put yourself out there consistently and make new friends - I don’t really cold email asking for a job anymore but instead just focus on connecting. Some of my work has come from people I’ve worked with beforr - some from cold outreach that I nurtured over time after getting a response and building a relationship - when you get an agent sometimes they can help find opportunities to pitch for ad well- it’s just like every other business where you want to take an Omni channel approach to planting seeds and cultivating opportunities over time. Hope this helps!
That makes a lot of sense but the question I have is, how do you find individuals contact details so you may connect with them directly? Social media has a tendency to leave direct messaging ignored, especially if the person in question is quite popular so that leaves a direct email address. Do you just find people who have made their contact details public?
@JeanLoupRSmith - this is a really great question. At the end of the day SOME people are simply not accessible. You do your research, and look for a way to make an introduction, however, if they've made sure their information is not available, than that is a signifier this is not the type of person open to starting a dialogue in the first place. It's the reason that I likely don't know of anyone who has found success through IMDB cold emailing alone.
This is less common when trying to reach individuals at earlier stages of their writing, directing and producing career. In many cases creators who are in those earlier stages (but still working on quality projects), they have websites, or linkedin pages where you can try starting a dialogue. However, as I say in the video, I really encourage people to not just try doing this online, which everyone does since it's so convenient. I personally feel music creators who make attempts at meeting people in the real world will find more opportunities to learn about projects and people who they can reach out to.
Very Informative Sirjee
Thank You 😊
It was a very useful video, thank you. 😇
Glad it was helpful!
This is really great, thank you!
My pleasure!
I find it hard to keep the conversation going after reaching out to somebody praising their past work or asking a question about what they're currently working on. The responses I've gotten are generally along the lines of "Thank you, I'm proud of the project". I struggle to know how to keep that conversation going and present myself as someone that is worth spending time chatting with-hopefully building a relationship with. In order words, it's difficult to communicate that I have value to offer in an email complimenting their work. It's like when you're talking with someone that isn't interested in you, and so the only way to keep the conversation going is for you to keep asking questions about them.
@supershred5000 - it definitely not easy and takes a lot of time…but the point here is not to keep the conversation going after just reaching out to compliment their work. The compliment is the only intention … sometimes you’ll get a good response, sometimes not. When you do get a good response, make a note and next time it’s relevant, maybe they have something new they’re working on, you reach out again and try to take the conversation just one step further. It’s about creating familiarity first Like I said, some people just won’t be interested in which case that’s fine and should be expected.
Ah okay I see what you're saying. Thanks for taking the time to respond and for the great videos!
S tier content as usual.
Appreciate the compliment and you checking out the video 🤘
First here🎉😊
Wow you are fast!!!
@@jonasfriedman I'm in the phase of looking for opportunities to be part of projects so the topic really piqued my interest 😅 (tales of a baby composer)