Me to Shiloh. In 89, I was charged to; South of Fairbanks and i'm still here to. Good for you. The last time I fired it was 90. I will have it buried with me.
@@Andy16av yeah I'd love yo see a .480 Ruger Schofield...Come on Ruger design it strong enough and Big Bore revolver aficionados will line up to buy one...
I am a diehard competitive revolver shooter, in USPSA, ICORE, Speed Steel. I use a S&W, model 929, 9mm. That said, I agree with your logic. The only thing worse than a miss, is a slow miss. Big boomer revolvers are challenging to shoot accurately, period. But, to shoot fast and accurately, very challenging. That said, good bullet construction, out of a round you can shoot accurately and fast, would be my first choice every time.
I live, work, and play in grizzly country. I am in Flathead Valley, 20 minutes from Glacier National Park. Ruger revolvers and Glock 10mms are what the locals carry around here. I carry a Glock 20 with a white light in a Hill People Gear Kit Bag V2. But I don't carry it for its capacity. I've seen grizzlies in the wild and I know that no handgun is going to feel adequate staring down a handgun. I also know that a charging grizzly is coming at you at 40 mph. That is just under 60 fps. That means a grizzly can cover 50 yards in about 2.5 seconds. I can't imagine a situation where I would be able to draw any handgun and get more than two or three rounds off. Are these guys in Alaska just blasting away at bears from like 100 yards? Maybe the bears in MT are faster? If you are hiking and hear a crash and a bear fifty yards away is charging down the hill at you, he will be on top of you in 3 seconds. It is going to take you about half of that time to get your pistol out of its holster and oriented in the right direction, and then you have a second or so to steady your nerves, aim, and put two, maybe three aimed rounds on target. If you get any more rounds than that off, you're spraying and praying, not aiming, and you can't miss fast enough to save your life. A grizzly can run down an elk. There has been cases of ranchers in MT losing horses to grizzlies. Carry what you can shoot well, but don't harbor any notions that 15 rounds in the magazine is going to do what 6 rounds in the cylinder won't. Unless you start blasting while the bear is a hundred yards away, or before it is actually committed to attacking you, you're not going to get more than a few rounds off.
100% YES. Truth. You get 3 shots if you are lucky on a charging bear. 4th shot is while he is eating your off-hand arm. Use most powerful gun that you can get off 3 shots in 4 seconds. If that is 9mm, then that is what you use. Most folks can't get off 2 shots with 41, 44, 454, 460, 500, etc... in that timeframe. It is a shame that they are so arrogant that they may die to their pride.
@@thorman944 Not just that, you are very likely to get tackled by that bear. In such intimate quarters, a short barreled revolver is king. Much easier to maneuver and get a good shot off while the bear is on top of you. In mentally preparing myself for a bear attack, I already accepted that I will probably end up on the ground and won't come out unscathed.
I dunno'. I've hunted a lot of YUGE hog with my 10mm's. It does the job. But I've also hunted em' with a 44 mag and a 454 Casull. The 10mm *USUALLY* puts em' down with one shot. Sometimes they do run a ways before dropping. The 44 has always worked on the first shot. Sometimes they flop about but they don't go more than a few feet. The 454 puts em' down really fast and really hard. They just drop. I assume Alaskan Bears are even tougher.
But hunting is different then defending from an angry puffed up charging bear, and the adrenaline dump you will most likely have and if that first round doesn’t land, the recoil and slow speed to follow up a second round maybe a deciding factor in life or death. So many want to carry like a 460 or 500 magnum, my challenge, unload both of those revolvers as fast as you can. Same with the .454 even. A too fast double tap can cause the gun to hit you or even the muzzle facing you and your trigger finger accidently squeezing another round by impulse and muscle. There is a girl in Georgia who killed herself with a 500 magnum because the gun recoiled back so far it caused her finger to squeeze the trigger again instantly with the muzzle at her head. She was the only person supposedly ever killed by that gun because her idiot bf thought it was cool for that to be her first gun to shoot. But even so, that recoil is still almost as close as she experienced with anyone unless you have mechanic wrists with tons of grip strength and control. 15 rds of 10mm in a glock 20, that can also run 40s&w if needed for even more recoil sensitive shooters may be better. Plus the ability to reload a semi auto with a mag beats the revolver of that size any day. And it’s harder to reload a revolver without looking at it under duress then it is for a semi Auto, when your eyes should remain on the threat. Chances are your hands will be shaking and trying to reload a revolver with shaking hands and eyes on target up your chances of dropping rounds.
For OP, I would also recommend night sights on the g20 if you haven’t already. If you our out at dark a lot, having the night sights will be critical. I’ve read someone asking about using optic on a handgun, and to me that’s terrible. You bump Or tree or the sight gets destroyed or damaged, you now have no sight.
@Dave Alexander IM confused - if one gun by design allows the shooter to fire rounds quicker and easier regardless of circumstance, wouldn't you get more rounds off with the glock? I mean if a bear is charging and all I am worried about is defense, wouldn't I want to strike as much of a balance between rate of fire, ease of use, and damage per shot as possible? Obviously there are certain circumstances where regardless of your firearm you may only get one or two shots, but does the added damage of a 454 make up for the added difficulty of use?
adam e Lol, you crack me up... You do understand that (comparing ballistics v size) the 10mm to an adult grizzly (800+ lbs) is like a .32acp to a small (180 lbs) human male, right? Never mind, I’m betting you don’t math or you’d have already figured it out by yourself....
@aubug5 buffalo bore actually warns not to shoot their heavy loads in 2" revolvers. The bullets will jump crimp as they say. Probably why you had some issues.
@Dave Alexander cases sticking has been well documented over the years thanks to the carpenter steel used that will actually stretch and grab on to brass to the point of being unable to extract cases using only bare hands. So your big huge lecture made you look like a ass. An apology is due from you are hat
@Dave Alexander perhaps you should learn to read you are so stupid and then you post something to prove it. I never said anything about bullet jump although I learns how to do it without mangling the bullet and I never talked about bears. So mr.mongolide go reread my my post and show me where I talked about bullet jump or bears and in the mean time go fuck yourself
@aubug5 Bullet creep very very rare with factory ammo in my experience. Very common with reloads and is why I never relaod the 454. Alwasy factory. Always reputable manufacturers.
Thanks for the Shout-Out dude. I am bored in Seward and ran some numbers: 10mm, 140gr at 1500fps = 699m/e 454Casull, 250gr at 1700 = 1540m/e Like you said, in a single shot battle no comparison but... 10mm, 699 x 16 = 11184 pound ft of “potential” energy on target 454Casull, 1540 x 6 = 9240 potential energy... For me the biggest bonus is the additional ten chances to penetrate the brain stem and create Flaccid Paralysis or other deterring damages. I would love other’s point of view on this!
Skinny Moose how long would it take you get that potential energy on target and will any of the individual rounds penetrate enough to damage the brain or spinal column?
@@michaelkaylor6770 Bears have been killed with 22's and they are super fast to shoot, so yes.I believe according to your calculations it is a great bear gun...all that " potential energy" just waiting to be delivered to the target. To test your theory further find a bridge that can support 2000lbs, then find a 500lb fat woman. Have her walk across it, the bridge will collapse the 5th time... it's science.
You know, this seems like a repeat of the 9mm NATO vs 45 ACP debacle the Army had in the 1980s. They ultimately chose the one that had higher capacity and allowed for faster follow-up shots.
The logic is there. Higher capacity and follow-up shots is a good argument. But another argument would be of two things. One being that the average soldier is using a sidearm within 25 ft. A trained soldier, or even a trained civilian doesn't shoot to scare, they shoot to kill. So if you're a skilled soldier or a skilled civilian, you shoot to kill. That means one bullet one kill. And within 25 ft that's easy to do. With a 9mm or a 45 auto. Second, it's the practicality of logistics. If you can ship two times the amount of cartridges because they weigh half the amount (9 mm 115 grain versus 45 auto 230 grain) to your soldiers wherever they may need the ammo, then logistically that's going to make more sense. Second, the military has people of all shapes and sizes that are soldiers. That includes their hand sizes, muscles in their hands, muscles in their arms, ect. With the 9mm caliber is a one size fits all. It's for people who have small hands that are weak, and for people who have large hands that are strong. It's not too large of a bullet, and not too small of a bullet either. Hence the reason the army adopted it. Same reason the United States uses 556 NATO. Most large countries in the world don't, they use very large bullets in their rifles, on an average three times the size. But our military uses the 556 because it's effective and very practical. Trust me, if everybody in the military was 6 ft 3, weighed 210 lb, and had large hands and feet, the soldiers would all be carrying double stacked 10 mm pistols. Also there's the spray and pray crowd. Some people, but not all, only feel secure with the high capacity pistols because they're not a very good shot. So if the s*** goes down they're going to fire a lot of bullets, and hopefully one of them hits. That's pretty much every shooting, in every major city, every day. My point being, law enforcement, military, federal agencies, ect, they're making decisions not based off of each individual soldier or officer, they're making decisions based off of the whole. That will benefit the majority of them, it will not benefit all of them. For example the military used the Beretta for a long time. I can't stand that thing. It's beautiful and iconic and I was really excited to shoot it until I did. Awful. Never felt a trigger that long in my entire life. If I was in the military, that would have sucked being my sidearm. While there's thousands of other people that love the Beretta, and swear by it, military or not.
@@danemaui8259 92FS has a wonderful trigger. First shot is long double-action. All the rest is short and light single action. I never shot a pistol in my life before I had to qualify with a 92FS. I shot expert. I was given 10 practice rounds before having to qualify at Camp Geiger. I still do and can ding 17/17 on an 8" plate at 50 yards. If you can't shoot the 92FS, it is an indictment of you, not the gun.
@@thorman944 lol. I like your ability to shoot the gun well. I wasn't saying that the gun in general is not quality or precise. I learned on very different triggers. So when I shot it it was very alien to me and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm looking at trying to get a used Beretta 81 at the moment. It would take some practice but I can learn the trigger.
You can shoot 200 grain 10mm Underwood hard casts out of a stock block barrel it doesn't keyhole and there's no lead build up. For the 220s and up I use my 10mm RIA double stack 1911 sure I could have bought an aftermarket barrel , but this have me a reason for another gun !
@@CrawldaBeast This & if you look into it deep enough there is tons of people showing the longer 6 inch barrel does not help accuracy & some people are making videos with the chrono showing it didn't change fps either for them. Look to the normal internet for this information, to many people promoting the barrels that are being paid for it on other channels. They are not as effective as everyone thinks they are & some say the shot even less accurate with the new barrels.
200 grain and 220 grain or no toilet seat inaccurate out of the 10 mm and good luck getting down to cycle reliably anything over 180 grains is notoriously unreliable out of a 10 mm and inaccurate as well
Chukes a fuckin IDIOT w NO BEAR ATTACK EXPERIENCE!! Same moron who said the 270 was the ultimate " Bear rifle". Was a moron then, is still a moron now. Autos fail, revolvers dont. And w grizzlies one NEVER has enough power in an attack & 1 shot that works is worth 20 that dont. Althou a good brain shot w either will do the job. Unfortunately most bear attacks are up close. Usually if one has TIME for 2-3 shots hes lucky. These clowns shooting bears at a distance multiple times are the exception.
@@davejan744 your argument is flawed as fuck. Ive seen high end, mid tier, and low end revolvers all have the cylinders lock up. Ive seen autos jams. Real life is shit happens. When you shoot enough, you see all this. Id rather have 15 chances to hit something without reloading than 6. Thats my real mountain man ass opinion. I like both revolvers and semi autos, by the way. Dont be so ignorant.
We hike/camp in the mountains of Western Montana. I've carried the same Toklat 454 you show in the video (affectionately named 'Thumper'). My wife carries a Glock 20... sometimes the Glock 40. Our 45-70 guide gun and 12 gauge are usually hanging by the door of our cabin or in the rigs!
I’ve never been around bears but in any kind of self-defense situation the gun you can shoot best with seems to be the smart choice. No point in having the hand cannon if you can’t hit anything with it. Maybe it’s a question of getting to the point where you’re shooting is excellent. I’ve seen videos of Jerry Miculek shooting six rounds of .44 with blinding speed and accuracy. He’s a special case but it proves it’s possible. Shots on target is key. If you’re a darn sight better with the 10mm it’s a no brainer. Shot placement over caliber makes sense. Caliber over shot placement makes no sense at all. 🤷♂️
While you are not incorrect. You also must understand your comments come from place of ignorance on the exact topic. For some species of bear most especially those found in Great North shot placement alone would mean diddle without choosing the proper caliber. You normally are speaking of an enraged possibly wounded charging bear filled with adrenaline & covered in a truly armor like layer of body fat. Ive heard of bears getting shot even in the face with 45s multiple times & kept coming. So yes, of course, placement & what works best for you matters but in this case proper appropriate caliber makes all the difference. This videos logic is simple & makes sense because certain 10mm pack a tremendous wallop while utilizing say a double stack Glock one could rapid away effectively if need be.
@@yoholmes273 Well yeah ok I do plead ignorance on the bears. However, large caliber or not, placement is still crucial,no? Missing or “winging “ a charging bear wouldn’t be any better than direct hits with a low caliber as you pointed out. The fear factor (shaking) must be insane in such a scenario.
@@onedirection3510 No need to double down on the placement "argument" as there is none. You are the only one speaking of "winging it" at a charging bear. I would take a moment to reread the original reply . As previously stated, as is overtly rudimentary obvious "shot placement matters". Again, as per the exact topic, in this instance not chosing a correct Caliber is major factor in the equation. It is a difference between your own life & death. You can tell the charging bear all about "how great your shot placement was" when he continues to charge you unaffected thereby eating you alive. I personally would rather have great placement combined WITH a super hot heavy load out of stacked smooth repeating hand cannon.
I think the glock 20 is the better sidearm choice its half the weight, easier to shoot, can mount a light. And even with a 44mag/ .454 cas the likelyhood of a one shot stop its low. So more ammo and quicker follow up shots are more important the raw power.
But why not a K frame 357 with more velocity and more energy given same 180grain projectile? Shots 5, 6, 7, might kill the bear but you will also be dead or injured so bad you wish you were dead. I will take my K or L frame 357s with buffalo bore ammo every day over a 10mm 'lie'.
10 mm Fanboys are a joke to actually believe that it's more reliable and more effective than a 454 casull come on man and I read somewhere somebody said the likelihood of putting down a bear with a one shot from a 454 is low well it's even lower with a 10 mm dummy and you're not going to get a chance to get all 15 shots off anyway so I don't know why you guys are always talking about All your capacity and all the little bulshit you can put on your gun what a f****** joke
Thanks for the video. I checked with the good folks at Underwood, and they told me the coated hard cast are just fine in a stock Glock barrel. That's what I have in my G40.
I used to have a S&W 686 Plus 7-shot 357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. I could shoot my 10mm semi-auto pistol far faster and more accurately than that wheel gun. Suffices to say I'm way better with my 10mm pistol than I would be with a 44 Magnum, to say nothing of a 454 Casull. Fortunately, down here in southern Arizona, the only four legged critters I have to worry about are feral pigs, havelinas, cougars, coyotes, maybe black bears, and possibly even a jaguar or two. My 4.6" 10mm pistol, loaded with Underwood 220 Gr FN HCL is more than sufficient for my needs down here. Good things! 👍
I totally agree! I don’t have a 454 casull yet, but I have a .357 GP100 with 200 grain hard cast!! What I also have is a Glock 40 MOS with a KKM barrel ideal for 10mm Hard Cast! With high grain and stopping power with 16 rounds to let off.... I’d feel well confident with my 10mm in case of Mr. Grizzly coming at me! 300 grain hard cast at over 1000’ per second will crack skulls and stop anything!! 10mm is a very under estimated cartridge and will stop anything!!
With your logic the 9mm would be even better than the 10mm because it recoils less and holds more ammo. The reality is it takes a big heavy bullet with more energy to kill quickly. If I see another 10mm bear video I am going to start rooting for the bear.
Hey, 10mm is a different beast , and the fact that I can carry with 15 or even 20 round mag makes me feel safer than 5 big ass bullets. It's obviously a pretty valid argument!
Ammo capacity doesn't do much for you when you will only have enough time to get off a couple of self defense range shots at best. If you start shooting when the animal is 25 yards away you may be chasing a felony. Hard to prove self defense at 25 yards when they often mock charge to try to get you to leave.
Not really. You can kill anything in North America with a 10mm. Hell, you can kill almost anything in Africa with it as well. Ted Nugent and Razor Dobbs both have killed cape buffalo with the 10mm.
No account of how big the bear encounter was. He unloaded 9 rounds on a charging Grizzly? 9 rounds = 9 seconds. So I would assume, as a rule of thumb, you have 9 seconds on the average grizzly attack. If that's what you think, you are really playing with fire man!
You can get 9 rounds off out of a Glock 20 in under 4 seconds. I've done it many times with a shot time reader and Underwood 200 grn hard cast. It's not that hard because the Glock 20 is a very smooth gun to shoot. With some focused training, I could probably do it under 3. I will say that I do have a heavier recoil spring from Lone Wolf in my gun which helps smooth out the recoil.
Good point. I never though about it but a heavy revolver would make a good hammer for beating the bears brains out. A good thing about Glock is it doesn't have a magazine safety so if the bear does pop the magazine out during a struggle a Glock will still fire the round in the chamber so you still have one chance left to killing the bear.
10mm is more controllable, and you have higher capacity. You can order an extended 6in factory barrel from Glock for the 20. I did, and accuracy is excellent. Good gun for wild hog here in Florida
Love my Dan Wesson Bruin 10mm with the Daiamind D chest holster . It’s only a single stack (8+1 in the chamber ) but I think that’s plenty enough for where I’m at in black bear country in northern Michigan. I have some Grizzly 180 JHP moving along at 1400 fps that I use for whitetail hunting, and I have some Buffalo Bore 220 grain hardcast for bear protection that generate over 730 ft lbs muzzle energy . The 6.2” barrel accomplishes its job of getting everything out of the ammo . The pistol cycles anything I feed it . The trigger is Superb ! The action is smooth as butter . I’m very confident with it and , it is a very accurate pistol .
My $450 used Taurus model 66 357 shoots Buffalo Bore 180 hardcast lead bullets at 800+ lbs/ft energy from it's 6" barrel. that is only about 10% more ME from a gun with less recoil and faster followup shots. You will not get to shot 5 or 6 from a charging bear, so magazine capacity is moot. Plus, enjoy being deprived of your $2k gun for 2 years while it sits in a zip-loc bag with snow, rain, ice, blood, sweat, tears, gunpowder on it before you get it back after you have to use it to protect yourself. My cheapo Taurus is a model that is an exact copy of same year S&W and sports performance center hammer, trigger, springs, etc... so my DA trigger is similar to your Dan Wesson and my SA trigger is better. 10mm performance is a lie!
I hunt Admiralty. Over the years I have used 300wm 338wm 45 70 and 375 ruger. The latter two are the only ones I feel good about when hunting alone. I almost never bring A sidearm. When i do its A 44mag Super Blackhawk.
@@jetboat25 Why the blackhawk? That's a single action revolver, are you confident that you can shoot it fast enough? Or am I just missing something here?
I too live in bear county and have both griz and blackies on my land. I've never had to shoot one, but their presence encouraged me to carry either a 44 Magnum or a 10mm for the same reasons you outlined. I've owned a Glock 20 for thirteen years, but it wasn't until I acquired a 20SF in 2011 that I switched to 10mm for bear protection. Since then I've upgraded the pistol with a 6" barrel, frame and grip modifications, and a light. I've tested a variety of ammo brands and found Buffalo Bore to be the hottest. Their 200 grain FMJ flat nose round chronographed at an average velocity of 1172 FPS out of the 5" barrel and 1256 FPS out of the 6" barrel. Their 220 grain hard cast flat nose bullet averaged 1150 FPS out of the 5" barrel. By comparison, Blazer 200 grain truncated FMJ only averaged 996 from the same barrel, while Freedom Munitions reloaded 180 grain flat metal jacket averaged 1041 FPS and Miwall 180 grain JHP ammo averaged 1101 FPS. I am hesitant to use anything other than the heaviest FMJ or hard cast bullets for bear defense. With bruins I believe deep penetration is critical and head shots are paramount. On animals this large expansion is practically irrelevant when your goal is to stop a charge. Because of the notable improvement in velocity from the 6" barrel, I recently acquired a Glock 40 and some night sights. I expect the slightly heaver pistol to reduce the Buffalo Bore recoil a bit, but have yet to run any comparison tests. I've also decided to try 460 Rowland, though this means going to a lower magazine capacity. I'll have to determine if the increased power level warrants the recoil.
@@steadmanuhlich6734 You are welcome. I did acquire a long slide Iver Johnson 1911 that I converted to 460 Rowland. It definitely is more powerful, but the recoil is also higher. Its energy level is equivalent to a 41 Magnum or lower end 44 Magnum. The pistol shoots a foot high at 25 yards, so for now I'm sticking with the Glock 10mm.
Comparatively, the Buffalo Bore 357 HardCast ammo that I use is also 180 grains but travels at 1400 - 1600fps depending on the 4" to 6" barreled revolver that I carry. Same Bullet weight but 300 to 400fps faster. 10mm is a joke considering that you will not get the 6th or more round fired in a bear attack. Those extra rounds in your magazine are just extra weight that will slow you down. I'm just trying to be realistic. You can get the same recoil from a hot 10mm from a hot 357 that is traveling faster with same bullet weight for more energy delivered to target. 10mm is the worst 'lie' that has been inflicted on the firearms community.
@@thorman944 10mm is very popular around here and in Alaska. It is not a joke, nor is it a lie. I do not consider it a powerhouse, for it has ballistic performance on par with the 357 Magnum. The heaviest 357 factory load I've used so far is the HSM 180 grain hard cast lead Bear Load that I've clocked at 1000 FPS out of 4" revolver and 1400 FPS out of a 16" carbine. As for recoil, I'd rate the 357 heavier, but it really depends of the weight of the handgun I use. I haven't tried the Buffalo Bore 357 loads, so I can't comment on them. I have used 44 Magnum and 460 Rowland, but both produce stout recoil. I see no disadvantage in having more rounds than you are likely to get off, but I do see a disadvantage in having too few.
Great advice as always Chuke! I also pack Glock 20 10mm more and more instead of the big bore revolver. The Hi-Tek coated Underwood hardcast shoots fine out of stock barrled Glock 20s, the coating over the hard cast lead is what helps in a glock barrel. I will be in Alaska this year again on a family visit and hopefully a caribou hunt, I will take the Glock 20 over the revolver. My uncle and cousins Guide and also pack Glock 20s more often then not.
Change recoil springguide rod to shoot cast lead in your caliber? No. You might consider a barrel change if you wanna shoot lots of hard ASR’s but I’d shoot and carry hardcasts in my factory poly barrel. I’d keep an eye on leading and I wouldn’t shoot a bunch.
for me I think it's more its more about accuracy rounds on target downrange, therefore for me personally I manage better with a wheel gun than any semi auto glock style pistol. I seem to have a harder time being accurate on those. whereas with revolvers unless it is really messed up physically I can mostly pick up any revolver without practice and be accurate idk why but that's how it works for me
I met Mike Adams on an plane ride one time. We talked about guns. I said that I carry a .454 Casull for Grizzly. He told me his story about being attacked and shooting the grizzly with his .44 magnum. He told me that he shot his gun 5 times point blank. He showed me the scares on his left arm from being mauled. I quickly bought a 45-70 as my primary gun against Grizzly with my .454 Casull as backup.. See the following article: www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/09/01/idaho-bowhunters-backup-gun-saves-grizzly-attack/
A second article on Mike Adams' griz attack www.rexburgstandardjournal.com/outdoors/man-attacked-by-bear-released-from-hospital/article_ccd2ba0a-50cd-11e5-9ce4-5b04311e9d66.html
From Underwood Ammos website for 10mm 140 grain extreme penetrator - BALLISTICS INFORMATION Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps Muzzle Energy: 700 ft lbs From HSMs website for their Bearload in little old 45 Colt - 325 grain hardcast lead which is easy shooting in a S&W 460v BALLISTICS INFORMATION Muzzle Velocity: 1155 fps Muzzle Energy: 963 ft lbs That's not even .454 or .460. Practice with the biggest, most powerful, deepest penetrating round you can handle. After this from last year, in my opinion, nothing beats the point a squeeze simplicity of a revolver when claws and teeth are involved... "Chubon’s first reaction was to retrieve Uptain’s Glock from the nearby gear pile, but he didn’t know how to function the slide on the top of the firearm that chambers a bullet. “Chubon stated that he could not fire the handgun initially because of the bears’ close proximity to Uptain,” the report analysis says, “fearing he would unintentionally shoot Uptain.” The Floridian client also told investigators he could “not remember if he attempted to pull the trigger.” When the sow diverted its attack to Chubon he tried to throw the gun to the man who knew how to use it. But the firearm fell short of Uptain and no longer contained the 15-round magazine of 10-millimeter full-metal-jacketed bullets that Chubon “inadvertently ejected” while trying to disengage the safety. The handgun was otherwise functional, Teton County Sheriff’s Office determined after an analysis." www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/environmental/article_c17c97cb-c2f0-5476-aa08-17301f75343d.html
Hey~ Chuke. Glock 20 10mm is the best backup choice over the big revolver. The reason? You need both firepower and stopping power. There are more than four-legged predators in the wood. You never know what will happen to you if you are on site without 911 support. Just make sure you do not WRONG TURN. (You should check the movie Wrong Turn)
Had to come back and search. I knew you covered this. I have an old friend from HS getting prepared for a solo hike in a grizzly area and was talking about getting a 44 mag revolver. I told him about you and Chuck offering real world considerations. I’ll send him this link.
After experiencing extraction issues with a g19, I wouldn't be 100% confident carrying a glock 10mm for bear protection. The g19 didn't have any malfunctions prior to 1000 rounds, but what if 1,001 is the round that counts? And clearing a malfunction isn't something I'd wanna do in 5-6 second window. Most verified bear attacks that were thwarted, the shooter typically gets off maybe 5-6 rounds before the bear is in striking distance, making reloading a non issue. Once the bear is up on you, I highly doubt you'll be in control of your firearm any longer. Making reliability and power my first 2 concerns.
Now that's a more valid argument for revolvers sake in my opinion. I still prefer the glock 20, but with a hand cannon, all you need is to pull the trigger. No jamming. In the off chance that 5 big ass rounds aren't enough, or I miss 1 or 2, reloading means trouble though. It's so hard to imagine it clearly, holding back from shitting my pants while steeling my resolve to put good rounds down range as a giant grizlord bounds toward me to maul me to shreds.
Never been up to Alaska but I do a lot of hunting in Montana and northern Wyoming and there are grizzlies. I like the G20 in 10mm. I stopped carrying my ruger Alaskan in 44 mag years ago. Just can’t shoot the revolver fast and accurate enough
My Glock 30 is shooting 45+P with spring & Barrel changes Working on a 45 Super load. Good enough for black bear. But I have a 454 for brown bear area's. Almost 40 year in Alaska. Best rule of thumb is to keep your head up and eyes open and just stay away from them. Just saying its hard to hit anything when your running which most people end up doing in the first place. It take more then a pistol to take down a bear, there call balls!
Glock 20 is just about perfect for the purpose. Nothing beats a long gun. For pull, point, shoot, and squeeze until one dies-bear or person-I can’t pick a better option. 45 super is close second.
I think I am going to agree with you that with the xtreme ammo the 10mm is the better choice for bear defense. I am also like you I will have the S&W .500 with me too, just in case of what I don't know. I have also gone to the 45-70 for all my hunting now. I don't think I have ever taken any big game down at over 150 yards so it is a great choice for general hunting for me.
Where I am, I don't have to worry about bears anymore, but I use to live in black bear country and now I am in wild pig devistation zones. So for me a 10mm or 45ACP concealed carry makes sense when I am out and about on the edge of town
Statistically, you're still better off with bear spray, if what you're concerned about is DEFENSE. If you're looking to KILL a bear, spray won't get the job done, but may buy you more time to make a good shot. For offense (if I were silly enough to hunt brown bear with a pistol), I choose .454; for defense, I choose bear spray in my left hand and 10mm in my right - I just can't shoot my Toklat one handed.
Great channel love the West lived there for 40 years. Stuck in East Coast due the mess we are all in..20 gauge compact pump action shotgun beats any handgun. 12 gauge has too much recoil easy to miss. How about a 13 shot 45 super ie. .45acp +
I just added a 6inch OEM Glock barrel. For my Glock 20 10mm. Have extreme penetrator bullets for it and got more rounds to pop off. So far 150 rounds through new barrel , zero malfunctions. Alpha wolf barrel is junk, horrible, I sent back to lone wolf 1 week they’ve had now.
It doesn't need to beat the 454 it just needs to beat the charging bear and it's been proven to do so and that's all that matters its like saying a 454 can't beat a 500 Smith & wesson yet both 454 and 500 can kill anything on 2 and 4 legs if it gets the job done im all for it
Both of those cartridges are anemic compared to 12 gauge slugs but which is more convenient to carry? Which provides for faster follow up shots? I wouldnt use casull or 500 smith and wesson in bear country. It is impractical.
I love my S&W N frame revolvers and love having control of my brass without the fruitless searches and not getting all of them like with my pistols. The main thing is any worthwhile endeavor in the outdoors always takes me past dark to get back from. A modern pistol with a light is a game changer. There may eventually be an even better round than the 10mm, but I have a hard time believing it could be so balanced between effectiveness, controllability and capacity. The big Glock just doesn’t fit my hand from the length of the grip to the finger notches. My XDM does!
I know this is a older post but my thoughts are a .450 bushmaster 10 inch barrel pistol brace with a 20 round mag. Loaded with hardcast gascheck bullets should do the trick. Easy to use and carry.
To each their own. Any magnum kicks. Anything shot enough times will stop eventually, but for me I like it. I like loading it with a couple 45 long colts followed by the double tap 400 grain, and hand to a friend and record. Yes they know it’s coming, but it doesn’t matter. The reaction is always the same. They hand it right back😂
In 1990 I was trying to stop a hog monster hog I shot it 6 times in the head starting at 25 yds and with my 629 5 inch and Winchester 240 gr jsp it was still alive and I had to put 1 in his neck to kill him he weighed 567 pounds field dressed no piece of his head was solid if that was a bear I would have been history my glock model 40 10mm is the way to go 44 in a cross draw holster for back up
I have no dog in this fight but. If you can shoot 9mm faster and more accurate than a 45. Go with the 9 if the difference is barely noticeable go with the 45.
A couple of years and a lot more practice may change your mind, you will have that option. For now though, what you shoot best is the best choice. That and 10 rounds in the magazine.
I have a g20 & a toklat. If i have a rifle, i carry the g20. No rifle, the toklat. That said, i dont usually go in to the woods without a rifle. I like the 454 for hiking as i dont carry a rifle if im not hunting. But then again i dont live in alaska. For alaska i would do a rifle and large revolver i think, but ill decide when i finally get up there
Johnny Half make sure you ask the bear if he agrees with the “numbers” before he eats you. It is and always will be about shot placement. End of the whole centuries old argument.
I'm from Alaska too and your correct 10mm is the way to go but not out of a plastic gun. I've had a Glock blow up in pieces shooting at -7 . I wouldn't trust my life to a plastic gun. Maybe in the lower 48 were they have warmer temperatures , maybe.
At what distance are you gonna start shooting at the bear? I don’t think you can empty a glock 40 accurately enough to get the effect of 15 +1 rounds in the kill zone before he’s on top of you, I want a 305 or 340 gr hardcast bullet instead of a 200 or 220 gr that’s why guides use the 45-70
Got both just like you, 10mm g 40 and freedom m 83 454...and a measly 12 guage tac 14... As you have brought up in another video, bears are not the top of the food chain, that title belongs to a carnivore sqawtch called gugwe,/ face eater ,,, As you say, WEIGHT!!! my choice was to get a monowalker as shown on website by Canadian prepper ... Ammo, food, water, shelter, maintenance kit,,,,for a few weeks at all times,,,
Getting rounds off quickly, is no where near as important as accuracy is! Especially where good hits count. One, two or three good vital hits is way better than multiple inaccurate shots. If a bear is on a full charge, just "spraying and praying" is only hopeful at best. Taking just a little more time (although how unnerving it might be) but get good vital hits with a powerful 454 round would be more desirable!
The only reason to carry 10mm over 454 is that the shooter afraid of recoil. I'm 70 years old and shoot the 10,44,454 and 500. There are small women who can shoot all of them just fine.
Well, I'm not in Alaska bur hiked in the mountains of Southern California where we have brown bears and others. I have several 10mm. I will bring my Glock 20 and my S&W 500. My S&W is loaded with a 750 grain hard cast lead with a muzzle velocity in excess of 1400 fps. My goto gun is the S&W 500. If I'm not to scared and my shot placement is good, it's a 1 shot 1 kill. But if I blow through the ammo in the Smith I would go to my backup Glock 20 loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast lead.
There's a reason we have weight divisions in Boxing and MMA. People should shoot both to appreciate the difference. I'll take the 454 revolver that's built for big game hunting when my life is on the line.. Unquestionable power and penetration. Accurate follow up shots are not that hard but you need to practice. I have a shoulder rig that makes the Super Redhawk comfortable to carry. Black bear and cougar country I'd happily carry the 10mm but if you've ever actually seen a brown bear close up you'd understand the bigger is better argument.
I'll stick with a 357sig and it's legendary penetration. It also is a insanely flat shooting round. When shot placement is critical ...i choose 357sig ..i have seen 357sig out penetrate 10mm in 155gr and 180 gr ...i have also seen it tie 10mm in another video. The penetration channel and Kentucky ballistics. Are the channels to view these contests
Not ideal because of the short barrel and decreased velocity. You probably should go for a fullsize G20 M or G40 to get a longer barrel and greater penetration. But if that G29 fits your hand, it's probably a dynamite EDC gun.
I also own both guns like yours and the 10mm is my woodcutting companion. Don't think you could go wrong with either provided you hit the sweet spot. On one hand I like the thought of being able to full auto at a bear in the face at arms reach but also a 360gr HC really flat point going through him 5 or 6 feet is also a good thing. One finally note, I own a S&W 329 which weight about 30ozs. It's a joy to carry but I HATE shooting it with heavy loads!! PS Also own a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 480 Ruger with a 410gr HC at about 1200fps. Should do fine on.................anything.
why the .480? using non- +p loads, I get 1050 to 1140 lbs/ft from my 41 mag Ruger Redhawk depending on the ammo. Having to jump to a 'boutique cartridge' to get marginal more effectiveness is silly. I spend $25.00 for 20 rounds ($1.25/full power round) in 41Mag. How much does your 480 Ruger cost every trigger pull?
Yeah I've shot the ria 10mm double stack, it's a heavy gun, but accurate and fast, 16 rounds, used 180 grain and heavy 220 grain rounds. Not much recoil, was like shooting a 40 s@w
Semi auto pistols are not brush guns unless you go into the brush for 12hrs at a time.. I'm a professional timber faller, I live in the woods, I carry ss magnum revolvers.....
…by the way, I thought you made a very convincing case for the 10mm. I’m planning on getting one, but I’m going to go the S&W MP 10 route. Thank you for your videos, Chuke-I find your stuff interesting and relevant.
I have the S&W M&P 10mm and it's not reliable. I need to send it in to get fixed. I have failure to feed issues with both magazines every single time. I've probably tried 10 different ammo brands. If it doesn't get fixed it will be the first weapon I'm selling it off and getting the Glock, SIG, or FN in 10mm.
last season I was charged And I'm still hear...... All I needed Was one............454 Casull
Me to Shiloh. In 89, I was charged to; South of Fairbanks and i'm still here to. Good for you. The last time I fired it was 90. I will have it buried with me.
Youre full of shit..
Musta been wearing muffs! (“hear”...get it)
Twoleggedkumulava--A Schofield design would be Amazing!
@@Andy16av yeah I'd love yo see a .480 Ruger Schofield...Come on Ruger design it strong enough and Big Bore revolver aficionados will line up to buy one...
Got my new Glock 40 with MOS and installed a Holosun 407 on it and love it !!! 15 +1 of 10mm 🤩
Springfield xdm 10mm holds 15+1 and its overall a smaller gun
I am a diehard competitive revolver shooter, in USPSA, ICORE, Speed Steel. I use a S&W, model 929, 9mm. That said, I agree with your logic. The only thing worse than a miss, is a slow miss. Big boomer revolvers are challenging to shoot accurately, period. But, to shoot fast and accurately, very challenging. That said, good bullet construction, out of a round you can shoot accurately and fast, would be my first choice every time.
I live, work, and play in grizzly country. I am in Flathead Valley, 20 minutes from Glacier National Park. Ruger revolvers and Glock 10mms are what the locals carry around here. I carry a Glock 20 with a white light in a Hill People Gear Kit Bag V2. But I don't carry it for its capacity. I've seen grizzlies in the wild and I know that no handgun is going to feel adequate staring down a handgun. I also know that a charging grizzly is coming at you at 40 mph. That is just under 60 fps. That means a grizzly can cover 50 yards in about 2.5 seconds. I can't imagine a situation where I would be able to draw any handgun and get more than two or three rounds off. Are these guys in Alaska just blasting away at bears from like 100 yards? Maybe the bears in MT are faster? If you are hiking and hear a crash and a bear fifty yards away is charging down the hill at you, he will be on top of you in 3 seconds. It is going to take you about half of that time to get your pistol out of its holster and oriented in the right direction, and then you have a second or so to steady your nerves, aim, and put two, maybe three aimed rounds on target. If you get any more rounds than that off, you're spraying and praying, not aiming, and you can't miss fast enough to save your life. A grizzly can run down an elk. There has been cases of ranchers in MT losing horses to grizzlies. Carry what you can shoot well, but don't harbor any notions that 15 rounds in the magazine is going to do what 6 rounds in the cylinder won't. Unless you start blasting while the bear is a hundred yards away, or before it is actually committed to attacking you, you're not going to get more than a few rounds off.
100% YES. Truth. You get 3 shots if you are lucky on a charging bear. 4th shot is while he is eating your off-hand arm. Use most powerful gun that you can get off 3 shots in 4 seconds. If that is 9mm, then that is what you use. Most folks can't get off 2 shots with 41, 44, 454, 460, 500, etc... in that timeframe. It is a shame that they are so arrogant that they may die to their pride.
@@thorman944 Not just that, you are very likely to get tackled by that bear. In such intimate quarters, a short barreled revolver is king. Much easier to maneuver and get a good shot off while the bear is on top of you. In mentally preparing myself for a bear attack, I already accepted that I will probably end up on the ground and won't come out unscathed.
Whatever floats your boat to keep it from putting you in the graveyard!!
I dunno'. I've hunted a lot of YUGE hog with my 10mm's. It does the job. But I've also hunted em' with a 44 mag and a 454 Casull. The 10mm *USUALLY* puts em' down with one shot. Sometimes they do run a ways before dropping. The 44 has always worked on the first shot. Sometimes they flop about but they don't go more than a few feet. The 454 puts em' down really fast and really hard. They just drop. I assume Alaskan Bears are even tougher.
But hunting is different then defending from an angry puffed up charging bear, and the adrenaline dump you will most likely have and if that first round doesn’t land, the recoil and slow speed to follow up a second round maybe a deciding factor in life or death.
So many want to carry like a 460 or 500 magnum, my challenge, unload both of those revolvers as fast as you can. Same with the .454 even. A too fast double tap can cause the gun to hit you or even the muzzle facing you and your trigger finger accidently squeezing another round by impulse and muscle.
There is a girl in Georgia who killed herself with a 500 magnum because the gun recoiled back so far it caused her finger to squeeze the trigger again instantly with the muzzle at her head. She was the only person supposedly ever killed by that gun because her idiot bf thought it was cool for that to be her first gun to shoot.
But even so, that recoil is still almost as close as she experienced with anyone unless you have mechanic wrists with tons of grip strength and control.
15 rds of 10mm in a glock 20, that can also run 40s&w if needed for even more recoil sensitive shooters may be better.
Plus the ability to reload a semi auto with a mag beats the revolver of that size any day.
And it’s harder to reload a revolver without looking at it under duress then it is for a semi
Auto, when your eyes should remain on the threat. Chances are your hands will be shaking and trying to reload a revolver with shaking hands and eyes on target up your chances of dropping rounds.
For OP, I would also recommend night sights on the g20 if you haven’t already. If you our out at dark a lot, having the night sights will be critical. I’ve read someone asking about using optic on a handgun, and to me that’s terrible. You bump
Or tree or the sight gets destroyed or damaged, you now have no sight.
@Dave Alexander IM confused - if one gun by design allows the shooter to fire rounds quicker and easier regardless of circumstance, wouldn't you get more rounds off with the glock? I mean if a bear is charging and all I am worried about is defense, wouldn't I want to strike as much of a balance between rate of fire, ease of use, and damage per shot as possible? Obviously there are certain circumstances where regardless of your firearm you may only get one or two shots, but does the added damage of a 454 make up for the added difficulty of use?
adam e
Lol, you crack me up...
You do understand that (comparing ballistics v size) the 10mm to an adult grizzly (800+ lbs) is like a .32acp to a small (180 lbs) human male, right?
Never mind, I’m betting you don’t math or you’d have already figured it out by yourself....
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_ Did you bother reading my comment? We are in agreement.
Here comes a bear to eat us! Oh crap, all I’ve got is my 454 Casull! RUN!
😂should be top comment
I'd take that toklat over 10mm anyday
@Alaskan Ballistics. Me too, Glock could blow up in your hand.
@aubug5 buffalo bore actually warns not to shoot their heavy loads in 2" revolvers. The bullets will jump crimp as they say. Probably why you had some issues.
@Dave Alexander cases sticking has been well documented over the years thanks to the carpenter steel used that will actually stretch and grab on to brass to the point of being unable to extract cases using only bare hands. So your big huge lecture made you look like a ass. An apology is due from you are hat
@Dave Alexander perhaps you should learn to read you are so stupid and then you post something to prove it. I never said anything about bullet jump although I learns how to do it without mangling the bullet and I never talked about bears. So mr.mongolide go reread my my post and show me where I talked about bullet jump or bears and in the mean time go fuck yourself
@aubug5 Bullet creep very very rare with factory ammo in my experience. Very common with reloads and is why I never relaod the 454. Alwasy factory. Always reputable manufacturers.
I'm tired of the argument, carry what you want.
Agreed,
I think I saw the horse twitch. We're not done here!
Wh... Why are you here then?
Haha Just kidding. I've been to the internet before, I know how you guys work.
If you invite them to go smaller we can follow them when they hunt and get ate. Free guns after we clean the goop off of them
It all comes down to preference.
Thanks for the Shout-Out dude. I am bored in Seward and ran some numbers:
10mm, 140gr at 1500fps = 699m/e
454Casull, 250gr at 1700 = 1540m/e
Like you said, in a single shot battle no comparison but...
10mm, 699 x 16 = 11184 pound ft of “potential” energy on target
454Casull, 1540 x 6 = 9240 potential energy...
For me the biggest bonus is the additional ten chances to penetrate the brain stem and create Flaccid Paralysis or other deterring damages. I would love other’s point of view on this!
Woah math guy!!
By that logic a ruger 10/22 with a 100 round drum mag is a better bear gun than either.
@@Skinnymoose Yup and it shoots fast enough to miss every shot.
Skinny Moose how long would it take you get that potential energy on target and will any of the individual rounds penetrate enough to damage the brain or spinal column?
@@michaelkaylor6770 Bears have been killed with 22's and they are super fast to shoot, so yes.I believe according to your calculations it is a great bear gun...all that " potential energy" just waiting to be delivered to the target.
To test your theory further find a bridge that can support 2000lbs, then find a 500lb fat woman. Have her walk across it, the bridge will collapse the 5th time... it's science.
You know, this seems like a repeat of the 9mm NATO vs 45 ACP debacle the Army had in the 1980s. They ultimately chose the one that had higher capacity and allowed for faster follow-up shots.
The 9mm vs. 45 ACP debacle is still going on. Now there's a new one, the 6.5 Creedmore vs the 308 Winchester.
Instead of carving up an animal, make a good shot and be done with it.
The logic is there. Higher capacity and follow-up shots is a good argument. But another argument would be of two things. One being that the average soldier is using a sidearm within 25 ft. A trained soldier, or even a trained civilian doesn't shoot to scare, they shoot to kill. So if you're a skilled soldier or a skilled civilian, you shoot to kill. That means one bullet one kill. And within 25 ft that's easy to do. With a 9mm or a 45 auto. Second, it's the practicality of logistics. If you can ship two times the amount of cartridges because they weigh half the amount (9 mm 115 grain versus 45 auto 230 grain) to your soldiers wherever they may need the ammo, then logistically that's going to make more sense. Second, the military has people of all shapes and sizes that are soldiers. That includes their hand sizes, muscles in their hands, muscles in their arms, ect. With the 9mm caliber is a one size fits all. It's for people who have small hands that are weak, and for people who have large hands that are strong. It's not too large of a bullet, and not too small of a bullet either. Hence the reason the army adopted it. Same reason the United States uses 556 NATO. Most large countries in the world don't, they use very large bullets in their rifles, on an average three times the size. But our military uses the 556 because it's effective and very practical. Trust me, if everybody in the military was 6 ft 3, weighed 210 lb, and had large hands and feet, the soldiers would all be carrying double stacked 10 mm pistols. Also there's the spray and pray crowd. Some people, but not all, only feel secure with the high capacity pistols because they're not a very good shot. So if the s*** goes down they're going to fire a lot of bullets, and hopefully one of them hits. That's pretty much every shooting, in every major city, every day. My point being, law enforcement, military, federal agencies, ect, they're making decisions not based off of each individual soldier or officer, they're making decisions based off of the whole. That will benefit the majority of them, it will not benefit all of them. For example the military used the Beretta for a long time. I can't stand that thing. It's beautiful and iconic and I was really excited to shoot it until I did. Awful. Never felt a trigger that long in my entire life. If I was in the military, that would have sucked being my sidearm. While there's thousands of other people that love the Beretta, and swear by it, military or not.
@@danemaui8259 92FS has a wonderful trigger. First shot is long double-action. All the rest is short and light single action. I never shot a pistol in my life before I had to qualify with a 92FS. I shot expert. I was given 10 practice rounds before having to qualify at Camp Geiger. I still do and can ding 17/17 on an 8" plate at 50 yards. If you can't shoot the 92FS, it is an indictment of you, not the gun.
@@thorman944 lol. I like your ability to shoot the gun well. I wasn't saying that the gun in general is not quality or precise. I learned on very different triggers. So when I shot it it was very alien to me and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I'm looking at trying to get a used Beretta 81 at the moment. It would take some practice but I can learn the trigger.
You can shoot 200 grain 10mm Underwood hard casts out of a stock block barrel it doesn't keyhole and there's no lead build up. For the 220s and up I use my 10mm RIA double stack 1911 sure I could have bought an aftermarket barrel , but this have me a reason for another gun !
The new Underwood Hi-Tek coating makes the hard casts lipstick red and allows them to be used in Glock barrels.
@@CrawldaBeast This & if you look into it deep enough there is tons of people showing the longer 6 inch barrel does not help accuracy & some people are making videos with the chrono showing it didn't change fps either for them. Look to the normal internet for this information, to many people promoting the barrels that are being paid for it on other channels. They are not as effective as everyone thinks they are & some say the shot even less accurate with the new barrels.
200 grain and 220 grain or no toilet seat inaccurate out of the 10 mm and good luck getting down to cycle reliably anything over 180 grains is notoriously unreliable out of a 10 mm and inaccurate as well
I have 1 pistol Super RedHawk .44 mag so that'll have to do. :)
10MM gets the job done with manageable power. Exactly. Well said Chuke.
Chukes a fuckin IDIOT w NO BEAR ATTACK EXPERIENCE!! Same moron who said the 270 was the ultimate " Bear rifle". Was a moron then, is still a moron now. Autos fail, revolvers dont. And w grizzlies one NEVER has enough power in an attack & 1 shot that works is worth 20 that dont. Althou a good brain shot w either will do the job. Unfortunately most bear attacks are up close. Usually if one has TIME for 2-3 shots hes
lucky. These clowns shooting bears at a distance multiple times are the exception.
@@davejan744 your argument is flawed as fuck. Ive seen high end, mid tier, and low end revolvers all have the cylinders lock up. Ive seen autos jams. Real life is shit happens. When you shoot enough, you see all this. Id rather have 15 chances to hit something without reloading than 6. Thats my real mountain man ass opinion. I like both revolvers and semi autos, by the way. Dont be so ignorant.
We hike/camp in the mountains of Western Montana. I've carried the same Toklat 454 you show in the video (affectionately named 'Thumper'). My wife carries a Glock 20... sometimes the Glock 40. Our 45-70 guide gun and 12 gauge are usually hanging by the door of our cabin or in the rigs!
I’ve never been around bears but in any kind of self-defense situation the gun you can shoot best with seems to be the smart choice. No point in having the hand cannon if you can’t hit anything with it.
Maybe it’s a question of getting to the point where you’re shooting is excellent. I’ve seen videos of Jerry Miculek shooting six rounds of .44 with blinding speed and accuracy. He’s a special case but it proves it’s possible. Shots on target is key. If you’re a darn sight better with the 10mm it’s a no brainer.
Shot placement over caliber makes sense. Caliber over shot placement makes no sense at all. 🤷♂️
While you are not incorrect. You also must understand your comments come from place of ignorance on the exact topic. For some species of bear most especially those found in Great North shot placement alone would mean diddle without choosing the proper caliber. You normally are speaking of an enraged possibly wounded charging bear filled with adrenaline & covered in a truly armor like layer of body fat. Ive heard of bears getting shot even in the face with 45s multiple times & kept coming. So yes, of course, placement & what works best for you matters but in this case proper appropriate caliber makes all the difference. This videos logic is simple & makes sense because certain 10mm pack a tremendous wallop while utilizing say a double stack Glock one could rapid away effectively if need be.
@@yoholmes273 Well yeah ok I do plead ignorance on the bears. However, large caliber or not, placement is still crucial,no? Missing or “winging “ a charging bear wouldn’t be any better than direct hits with a low caliber as you pointed out. The fear factor (shaking) must be insane in such a scenario.
@@onedirection3510 No need to double down on the placement "argument" as there is none. You are the only one speaking of "winging it" at a charging bear. I would take a moment to reread the original reply . As previously stated, as is overtly rudimentary obvious "shot placement matters". Again, as per the exact topic, in this instance not chosing a correct Caliber is major factor in the equation. It is a difference between your own life & death. You can tell the charging bear all about "how great your shot placement was" when he continues to charge you unaffected thereby eating you alive. I personally would rather have great placement combined WITH a super hot heavy load out of stacked smooth repeating hand cannon.
@@yoholmes273 Yup, I’d RATHER have great placement with hot rounds too. Wouldn’t we all. That’s the point. There is no other point.
@@onedirection3510 As a point of fact, your ignorance to the very exact topic with which you were discussing is the point.
Maybe you should watch Scott from Kentucky Ballistics, I think he unloads his 500 S&W , On Target, in about 1 second. Practice Practice Practice
I think the glock 20 is the better sidearm choice its half the weight, easier to shoot, can mount a light.
And even with a 44mag/ .454 cas the likelyhood of a one shot stop its low. So more ammo and quicker follow up shots are more important the raw power.
But why not a K frame 357 with more velocity and more energy given same 180grain projectile? Shots 5, 6, 7, might kill the bear but you will also be dead or injured so bad you wish you were dead. I will take my K or L frame 357s with buffalo bore ammo every day over a 10mm 'lie'.
10 mm Fanboys are a joke to actually believe that it's more reliable and more effective than a 454 casull come on man and I read somewhere somebody said the likelihood of putting down a bear with a one shot from a 454 is low well it's even lower with a 10 mm dummy and you're not going to get a chance to get all 15 shots off anyway so I don't know why you guys are always talking about All your capacity and all the little bulshit you can put on your gun what a f****** joke
Good to carry both, if you get Hurt in one arm and your your pistol have a malfuntion, you should be able to drop the G20 and grab the revolver...
Thanks for the video. I checked with the good folks at Underwood, and they told me the coated hard cast are just fine in a stock Glock barrel. That's what I have in my G40.
So far so good. Have only about a hundred rounds through it of varying makes and weights, but it has handled them all well.
I used to have a S&W 686 Plus 7-shot 357 Magnum with a 6" barrel. I could shoot my 10mm semi-auto pistol far faster and more accurately than that wheel gun. Suffices to say I'm way better with my 10mm pistol than I would be with a 44 Magnum, to say nothing of a 454 Casull.
Fortunately, down here in southern Arizona, the only four legged critters I have to worry about are feral pigs, havelinas, cougars, coyotes, maybe black bears, and possibly even a jaguar or two. My 4.6" 10mm pistol, loaded with Underwood 220 Gr FN HCL is more than sufficient for my needs down here.
Good things! 👍
I totally agree! I don’t have a 454 casull yet, but I have a .357 GP100 with 200 grain hard cast!! What I also have is a Glock 40 MOS with a KKM barrel ideal for 10mm Hard Cast! With high grain and stopping power with 16 rounds to let off.... I’d feel well confident with my 10mm in case of Mr. Grizzly coming at me! 300 grain hard cast at over 1000’ per second will crack skulls and stop anything!! 10mm is a very under estimated cartridge and will stop anything!!
Who’s making 300 grain 10mm?
@@toddwillard8927 I stand corrected! I meant 200 grain......
your .357GP 100 is a much better choice, but it's your life, so trust the overrated 10mm.
With your logic the 9mm would be even better than the 10mm because it recoils less and holds more ammo. The reality is it takes a big heavy bullet with more energy to kill quickly. If I see another 10mm bear video I am going to start rooting for the bear.
Hey, 10mm is a different beast , and the fact that I can carry with 15 or even 20 round mag makes me feel safer than 5 big ass bullets. It's obviously a pretty valid argument!
…you’re absolutely right, Johnny. The gun fashion arguments are cyclic.
Ammo capacity doesn't do much for you when you will only have enough time to get off a couple of self defense range shots at best. If you start shooting when the animal is 25 yards away you may be chasing a felony. Hard to prove self defense at 25 yards when they often mock charge to try to get you to leave.
Better odds for followup shots in a 10
10mm for defense 454 to hunt with you need both !
Not really. You can kill anything in North America with a 10mm. Hell, you can kill almost anything in Africa with it as well. Ted Nugent and Razor Dobbs both have killed cape buffalo with the 10mm.
@@KurNorock 10mm is a douchebag round.
No account of how big the bear encounter was. He unloaded 9 rounds on a charging Grizzly? 9 rounds = 9 seconds. So I would assume, as a rule of thumb, you have 9 seconds on the average grizzly attack. If that's what you think, you are really playing with fire man!
You can get 9 rounds off out of a Glock 20 in under 4 seconds. I've done it many times with a shot time reader and Underwood 200 grn hard cast. It's not that hard because the Glock 20 is a very smooth gun to shoot. With some focused training, I could probably do it under 3. I will say that I do have a heavier recoil spring from Lone Wolf in my gun which helps smooth out the recoil.
Awesome
The weight of a big bore revolver is another reason to carry a Glock 10mm.
Good point. I never though about it but a heavy revolver would make a good hammer for beating the bears brains out. A good thing about Glock is it doesn't have a magazine safety so if the bear does pop the magazine out during a struggle a Glock will still fire the round in the chamber so you still have one chance left to killing the bear.
10mm is more controllable, and you have higher capacity. You can order an extended 6in factory barrel from Glock for the 20. I did, and accuracy is excellent. Good gun for wild hog here in Florida
& that glock will be rusty inside after 3 days in the Cascades in rain season...
where real bears live...
@Kristian Plummer Nothing like temperate rain forests, no.
Love my Dan Wesson Bruin 10mm with the Daiamind D chest holster . It’s only a single stack (8+1 in the chamber ) but I think that’s plenty enough for where I’m at in black bear country in northern Michigan. I have some Grizzly 180 JHP moving along at 1400 fps that I use for whitetail hunting, and I have some Buffalo Bore 220 grain hardcast for bear protection that generate over 730 ft lbs muzzle energy . The 6.2” barrel accomplishes its job of getting everything out of the ammo . The pistol cycles anything I feed it . The trigger is Superb ! The action is smooth as butter . I’m very confident with it and , it is a very accurate pistol .
My $450 used Taurus model 66 357 shoots Buffalo Bore 180 hardcast lead bullets at 800+ lbs/ft energy from it's 6" barrel. that is only about 10% more ME from a gun with less recoil and faster followup shots. You will not get to shot 5 or 6 from a charging bear, so magazine capacity is moot. Plus, enjoy being deprived of your $2k gun for 2 years while it sits in a zip-loc bag with snow, rain, ice, blood, sweat, tears, gunpowder on it before you get it back after you have to use it to protect yourself. My cheapo Taurus is a model that is an exact copy of same year S&W and sports performance center hammer, trigger, springs, etc... so my DA trigger is similar to your Dan Wesson and my SA trigger is better. 10mm performance is a lie!
so when a bear charges do you throw your 375 Ruger rifle down and draw the glock ?
Definitely not. A rifle is always better.
I hunt Admiralty. Over the years I have used 300wm 338wm 45 70 and 375 ruger. The latter two are the only ones I feel good about when hunting alone. I almost never bring A sidearm. When i do its A 44mag Super Blackhawk.
@@jetboat25 Why the blackhawk? That's a single action revolver, are you confident that you can shoot it fast enough? Or am I just missing something here?
I too live in bear county and have both griz and blackies on my land. I've never had to shoot one, but their presence encouraged me to carry either a 44 Magnum or a 10mm for the same reasons you outlined. I've owned a Glock 20 for thirteen years, but it wasn't until I acquired a 20SF in 2011 that I switched to 10mm for bear protection. Since then I've upgraded the pistol with a 6" barrel, frame and grip modifications, and a light. I've tested a variety of ammo brands and found Buffalo Bore to be the hottest. Their 200 grain FMJ flat nose round chronographed at an average velocity of 1172 FPS out of the 5" barrel and 1256 FPS out of the 6" barrel. Their 220 grain hard cast flat nose bullet averaged 1150 FPS out of the 5" barrel. By comparison, Blazer 200 grain truncated FMJ only averaged 996 from the same barrel, while Freedom Munitions reloaded 180 grain flat metal jacket averaged 1041 FPS and Miwall 180 grain JHP ammo averaged 1101 FPS. I am hesitant to use anything other than the heaviest FMJ or hard cast bullets for bear defense. With bruins I believe deep penetration is critical and head shots are paramount. On animals this large expansion is practically irrelevant when your goal is to stop a charge. Because of the notable improvement in velocity from the 6" barrel, I recently acquired a Glock 40 and some night sights. I expect the slightly heaver pistol to reduce the Buffalo Bore recoil a bit, but have yet to run any comparison tests. I've also decided to try 460 Rowland, though this means going to a lower magazine capacity. I'll have to determine if the increased power level warrants the recoil.
Thanks for posting a detailed comment.
@@steadmanuhlich6734 You are welcome. I did acquire a long slide Iver Johnson 1911 that I converted to 460 Rowland. It definitely is more powerful, but the recoil is also higher. Its energy level is equivalent to a 41 Magnum or lower end 44 Magnum. The pistol shoots a foot high at 25 yards, so for now I'm sticking with the Glock 10mm.
Comparatively, the Buffalo Bore 357 HardCast ammo that I use is also 180 grains but travels at 1400 - 1600fps depending on the 4" to 6" barreled revolver that I carry. Same Bullet weight but 300 to 400fps faster. 10mm is a joke considering that you will not get the 6th or more round fired in a bear attack. Those extra rounds in your magazine are just extra weight that will slow you down. I'm just trying to be realistic. You can get the same recoil from a hot 10mm from a hot 357 that is traveling faster with same bullet weight for more energy delivered to target. 10mm is the worst 'lie' that has been inflicted on the firearms community.
@@thorman944 10mm is very popular around here and in Alaska. It is not a joke, nor is it a lie. I do not consider it a powerhouse, for it has ballistic performance on par with the 357 Magnum. The heaviest 357 factory load I've used so far is the HSM 180 grain hard cast lead Bear Load that I've clocked at 1000 FPS out of 4" revolver and 1400 FPS out of a 16" carbine. As for recoil, I'd rate the 357 heavier, but it really depends of the weight of the handgun I use. I haven't tried the Buffalo Bore 357 loads, so I can't comment on them. I have used 44 Magnum and 460 Rowland, but both produce stout recoil. I see no disadvantage in having more rounds than you are likely to get off, but I do see a disadvantage in having too few.
Great advice as always Chuke! I also pack Glock 20 10mm more and more instead of the big bore revolver. The Hi-Tek coated Underwood hardcast shoots fine out of stock barrled Glock 20s, the coating over the hard cast lead is what helps in a glock barrel.
I will be in Alaska this year again on a family visit and hopefully a caribou hunt, I will take the Glock 20 over the revolver. My uncle and cousins Guide and also pack Glock 20s more often then not.
Nice!!
Is this true? I asked underwood but no replies from them? Do u have to change recoil spring assembly?
Change recoil springguide rod to shoot cast lead in your caliber? No. You might consider a barrel change if you wanna shoot lots of hard ASR’s but I’d shoot and carry hardcasts in my factory poly barrel. I’d keep an eye on leading and I wouldn’t shoot a bunch.
@@ChukesOutdoorAdventures Chuke I am a revolver guy, but I am curious why 10mm and not .357 Sig?
for me I think it's more its more about accuracy rounds on target downrange, therefore for me personally I manage better with a wheel gun than any semi auto glock style pistol. I seem to have a harder time being accurate on those. whereas with revolvers unless it is really messed up physically I can mostly pick up any revolver without practice and be accurate idk why but that's how it works for me
I met Mike Adams on an plane ride one time. We talked about guns. I said that I carry a .454 Casull for Grizzly. He told me his story about being attacked and shooting the grizzly with his .44 magnum. He told me that he shot his gun 5 times point blank. He showed me the scares on his left arm from being mauled. I quickly bought a 45-70 as my primary gun against Grizzly with my .454 Casull as backup.. See the following article:
www.outdoorhub.com/news/2015/09/01/idaho-bowhunters-backup-gun-saves-grizzly-attack/
Wow! 5 shots with a .44 Magnum at point blank and they didn't find the bear. Great Read, Thanks.
@@bobbywhiteaker6620 Glad that you enjoyed it.
A second article on Mike Adams' griz attack
www.rexburgstandardjournal.com/outdoors/man-attacked-by-bear-released-from-hospital/article_ccd2ba0a-50cd-11e5-9ce4-5b04311e9d66.html
From Underwood Ammos website for 10mm 140 grain extreme penetrator - BALLISTICS INFORMATION
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 700 ft lbs
From HSMs website for their Bearload in little old 45 Colt - 325 grain hardcast lead which is easy shooting in a S&W 460v
BALLISTICS INFORMATION
Muzzle Velocity: 1155 fps
Muzzle Energy: 963 ft lbs
That's not even .454 or .460. Practice with the biggest, most powerful, deepest penetrating round you can handle.
After this from last year, in my opinion, nothing beats the point a squeeze simplicity of a revolver when claws and teeth are involved...
"Chubon’s first reaction was to retrieve Uptain’s Glock from the nearby gear pile, but he didn’t know how to function the slide on the top of the firearm that chambers a bullet.
“Chubon stated that he could not fire the handgun initially because of the bears’ close proximity to Uptain,” the report analysis says, “fearing he would unintentionally shoot Uptain.”
The Floridian client also told investigators he could “not remember if he attempted to pull the trigger.”
When the sow diverted its attack to Chubon he tried to throw the gun to the man who knew how to use it. But the firearm fell short of Uptain and no longer contained the 15-round magazine of 10-millimeter full-metal-jacketed bullets that Chubon “inadvertently ejected” while trying to disengage the safety. The handgun was otherwise functional, Teton County Sheriff’s Office determined after an analysis."
www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/environmental/article_c17c97cb-c2f0-5476-aa08-17301f75343d.html
C. Ross Taylor tennis ball vs baseball theory
@3:20 you called out the actual important part... Training. Use what your good with not what others tell you that you should use.
Hey~ Chuke.
Glock 20 10mm is the best backup choice over the big revolver. The reason? You need both firepower and stopping power.
There are more than four-legged predators in the wood. You never know what will happen to you if you are on site without 911 support. Just make sure you do not WRONG TURN. (You should check the movie Wrong Turn)
Awesome movie the wrong turn
Had to come back and search. I knew you covered this. I have an old friend from HS getting prepared for a solo hike in a grizzly area and was talking about getting a 44 mag revolver. I told him about you and Chuck offering real world considerations. I’ll send him this link.
The 140 grain extreme penetrators are an excellent deer hunting round .
After experiencing extraction issues with a g19, I wouldn't be 100% confident carrying a glock 10mm for bear protection. The g19 didn't have any malfunctions prior to 1000 rounds, but what if 1,001 is the round that counts? And clearing a malfunction isn't something I'd wanna do in 5-6 second window. Most verified bear attacks that were thwarted, the shooter typically gets off maybe 5-6 rounds before the bear is in striking distance, making reloading a non issue. Once the bear is up on you, I highly doubt you'll be in control of your firearm any longer.
Making reliability and power my first 2 concerns.
Now that's a more valid argument for revolvers sake in my opinion. I still prefer the glock 20, but with a hand cannon, all you need is to pull the trigger. No jamming. In the off chance that 5 big ass rounds aren't enough, or I miss 1 or 2, reloading means trouble though. It's so hard to imagine it clearly, holding back from shitting my pants while steeling my resolve to put good rounds down range as a giant grizlord bounds toward me to maul me to shreds.
Never been up to Alaska but I do a lot of hunting in Montana and northern Wyoming and there are grizzlies. I like the G20 in 10mm. I stopped carrying my ruger Alaskan in 44 mag years ago. Just can’t shoot the revolver fast and accurate enough
I completely agree the 10 mL benefits is added follow-up shots you can probably get off three rounds before you can chamber another cylinder of 454
Oh my...
Correct, but I can get off 3 rounds of BB 357 as quick or quicker than 3 rounds of BB 10mm. Each 357 has more velocity and energy vs 10mm.
I got the tirty eight large , the foty for big and the ,40 long and strong . nothing scares me in Kansas .stay strapped
My Glock 30 is shooting 45+P with spring & Barrel changes Working on a 45 Super load. Good enough for black bear. But I have a 454 for brown bear area's. Almost 40 year in Alaska. Best rule of thumb is to keep your head up and eyes open and just stay away from them. Just saying its hard to hit anything when your running which most people end up doing in the first place. It take more then a pistol to take down a bear, there call balls!
Take whatever you feel most comfortable with and not scared to shoot.
6inch S&W 629classsic 44mag with the first and last round in 44mag +p+ and the 4 in-between regular power level 44mag,
Good call…
By the way great video and you are definitely one of the kings of the bear men in Alaska thanks for the info
Glock 20 is just about perfect for the purpose. Nothing beats a long gun. For pull, point, shoot, and squeeze until one dies-bear or person-I can’t pick a better option. 45 super is close second.
44 mag 265 grn hard cast lead gas checked.out of Ruger super Blackhawk hunter in 44. Full house. Good nite sweet Bear.😊
I think I am going to agree with you that with the xtreme ammo the 10mm is the better choice for bear defense. I am also like you I will have the S&W .500 with me too, just in case of what I don't know. I have also gone to the 45-70 for all my hunting now. I don't think I have ever taken any big game down at over 150 yards so it is a great choice for general hunting for me.
Hey thanks for the comments! I think more and more people are moving to the 10mm because of this!
I'll take the 454 with a speed loader over the 10 mm
Where I am, I don't have to worry about bears anymore, but I use to live in black bear country and now I am in wild pig devistation zones. So for me a 10mm or 45ACP concealed carry makes sense when I am out and about on the edge of town
10mm makes the most sense for the mere mortal, if you can tame the 454 nothing beats a 300 gr swift a frame doing about 1600 fps .
Sound logic. I've been slowly coming to the same conclusion
It comes down to capacity and speed sometimes.
Mossberg shockwave 00 lol, take both love it
Got my 44 mag with a 6" barrel and a glock 20 for back up. Is that enough?
Statistically, you're still better off with bear spray, if what you're concerned about is DEFENSE. If you're looking to KILL a bear, spray won't get the job done, but may buy you more time to make a good shot. For offense (if I were silly enough to hunt brown bear with a pistol), I choose .454; for defense, I choose bear spray in my left hand and 10mm in my right - I just can't shoot my Toklat one handed.
I wonder how many shots you can get on target with a charging bear?
I personally think you are spot on sir. Very sound advice! God bless
Great channel love the West lived there for 40 years. Stuck in East Coast due the mess we are all in..20 gauge compact pump action shotgun beats any handgun. 12 gauge has too much recoil easy to miss. How about a 13 shot 45 super ie. .45acp +
Thank you! Agreed, 45 super or acp plus p is a great choice!
I just added a 6inch OEM Glock barrel. For my Glock 20 10mm. Have extreme penetrator bullets for it and got more rounds to pop off. So far 150 rounds through new barrel , zero malfunctions. Alpha wolf barrel is junk, horrible, I sent back to lone wolf 1 week they’ve had now.
GOD BLESS you, Chuke, thanks
Semi-autos might be better than revolvers, but 10mm does not beat 454 Casull
YEH. I KNOW B.S. WHEN I HEAR IT! AND HIS "REASONING" ... JUST DONT FLY IN REALITY!! GIVE ME 454... ANNNNY DAY!! ANY! DAY!!
It doesn't need to beat the 454 it just needs to beat the charging bear and it's been proven to do so and that's all that matters its like saying a 454 can't beat a 500 Smith & wesson yet both 454 and 500 can kill anything on 2 and 4 legs if it gets the job done im all for it
Both of those cartridges are anemic compared to 12 gauge slugs but which is more convenient to carry? Which provides for faster follow up shots? I wouldnt use casull or 500 smith and wesson in bear country. It is impractical.
Tell that wheel gun vs semi auto stuff to Jerry Miculek--the king of spinning them fast and accurate
Love the 10 mm..but glocks are so freaking ugly..they also look the same..not paying $600 for a plastic gun..
I agree...Who cares what it looks like, it's a tool.
@@1Troutguy my hi point shoots much better than any glock.
I love my S&W N frame revolvers and love having control of my brass without the fruitless searches and not getting all of them like with my pistols. The main thing is any worthwhile endeavor in the outdoors always takes me past dark to get back from. A modern pistol with a light is a game changer. There may eventually be an even better round than the 10mm, but I have a hard time believing it could be so balanced between effectiveness, controllability and capacity. The big Glock just doesn’t fit my hand from the length of the grip to the finger notches. My XDM does!
I know this is a older post but my thoughts are a .450 bushmaster 10 inch barrel pistol brace with a 20 round mag.
Loaded with hardcast gascheck bullets should do the trick.
Easy to use and carry.
Get a revolver 44 or bigger 100 percent more power accuracy's and reliability.6 for shure more better than maybe.
To each their own. Any magnum kicks. Anything shot enough times will stop eventually, but for me I like it. I like loading it with a couple 45 long colts followed by the double tap 400 grain, and hand to a friend and record. Yes they know it’s coming, but it doesn’t matter. The reaction is always the same. They hand it right back😂
In 1990 I was trying to stop a hog monster hog I shot it 6 times in the head starting at 25 yds and with my 629 5 inch and Winchester 240 gr jsp it was still alive and I had to put 1 in his neck to kill him he weighed 567 pounds field dressed no piece of his head was solid if that was a bear I would have been history my glock model 40 10mm is the way to go 44 in a cross draw holster for back up
I have a G40 with new 6.5 inch barrel and 200 grain hard cast lead ammo.
I live on the east coast. Is .45 scp enough gun for black bear?
I have no dog in this fight but. If you can shoot 9mm faster and more accurate than a 45. Go with the 9 if the difference is barely noticeable go with the 45.
I just bought a 454 casull. Do you still have yours?
I just like revolvers.
Shoot what you can control and shoot best.
Do you ever shoot 40 cal in your 10mm?
I shoot .40 in my G20 all the time.
I do
A couple of years and a lot more practice may change your mind, you will have that option. For now though, what you shoot best is the best choice. That and 10 rounds in the magazine.
I have a g20 & a toklat. If i have a rifle, i carry the g20. No rifle, the toklat. That said, i dont usually go in to the woods without a rifle. I like the 454 for hiking as i dont carry a rifle if im not hunting. But then again i dont live in alaska. For alaska i would do a rifle and large revolver i think, but ill decide when i finally get up there
Grasshopper" the truth is in the numbers.
Johnny Half make sure you ask the bear if he agrees with the “numbers” before he eats you. It is and always will be about shot placement. End of the whole centuries old argument.
@@stuckcase7775
Roger that "
Friend recently emptied his 500 mag into a SMALL charging griz. Finally fell at his feet. ALL body hits head on due to recoil. NO accuracy at all.
a 454 is a semi auto...its just not for everyone.....so go ahead ....spray and pray
I'm from Alaska too and your correct 10mm is the way to go but not out of a plastic gun.
I've had a Glock blow up in pieces shooting at -7 . I wouldn't trust my life to a plastic gun. Maybe in the lower 48 were they have warmer temperatures , maybe.
I would rather have 10mm especially with more shots and the more shots is why 45acp is obsolete to me with 10mm
Yeah I don't know why 45 ACP is still a thing, either.
At what distance are you gonna start shooting at the bear? I don’t think you can empty a glock 40 accurately enough to get the effect of 15 +1 rounds in the kill zone before he’s on top of you, I want a 305 or 340 gr hardcast bullet instead of a 200 or 220 gr that’s why guides use the 45-70
Got both just like you, 10mm g 40 and freedom m 83 454...and a measly 12 guage tac 14...
As you have brought up in another video, bears are not the top of the food chain, that title belongs to a carnivore sqawtch called gugwe,/ face eater ,,,
As you say, WEIGHT!!!
my choice was to get a monowalker as shown on website by Canadian prepper ...
Ammo, food, water, shelter, maintenance kit,,,,for a few weeks at all times,,,
Wish you could get doubletap ammo it's what I carry in my g20 and my 454 casull.
Getting rounds off quickly, is no where near as important as accuracy is!
Especially where good hits count. One, two or three good vital hits is way better than multiple inaccurate shots.
If a bear is on a full charge, just "spraying and praying" is only hopeful at best. Taking just a little more time (although how unnerving it might be) but get good vital hits with a powerful 454 round would be more desirable!
The only reason to carry 10mm over 454 is that the shooter afraid of recoil. I'm 70 years old and shoot the 10,44,454 and 500. There are small women who can shoot all of them just fine.
Well, I'm not in Alaska bur hiked in the mountains of Southern California where we have brown bears and others. I have several 10mm. I will bring my Glock 20 and my S&W 500.
My S&W is loaded with a 750 grain hard cast lead with a muzzle velocity in excess of 1400 fps. My goto gun is the S&W 500. If I'm not to scared and my shot placement is good, it's a 1 shot 1 kill. But if I blow through the ammo in the Smith I would go to my backup Glock 20 loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast lead.
There hasn’t been brown bears in California in 100 years.
You must be seeing Sasquatch
I agree with you completely.
There's a reason we have weight divisions in Boxing and MMA.
People should shoot both to appreciate the difference. I'll take the 454 revolver that's built for big game hunting when my life is on the line.. Unquestionable power and penetration. Accurate follow up shots are not that hard but you need to practice. I have a shoulder rig that makes the Super Redhawk comfortable to carry.
Black bear and cougar country I'd happily carry the 10mm but if you've ever actually seen a brown bear close up you'd understand the bigger is better argument.
I'll stick with a 357sig and it's legendary penetration. It also is a insanely flat shooting round. When shot placement is critical ...i choose 357sig ..i have seen 357sig out penetrate 10mm in 155gr and 180 gr ...i have also seen it tie 10mm in another video. The penetration channel and Kentucky ballistics. Are the channels to view these contests
180gr is standard and not even what you would want, 220gr is what ya want
I am sorry to have to agree with you.
10 mm good. But if ya stuck for long time. The revolver may be better.Might take 4 shots but 4 and not 7. But yes take a buddy.
I bought a Glock 29 gen 4 that was lightly used for $350. Do you think this is a bad choice for a 10mm woods carry gun?
Not ideal because of the short barrel and decreased velocity. You probably should go for a fullsize G20 M or G40 to get a longer barrel and greater penetration.
But if that G29 fits your hand, it's probably a dynamite EDC gun.
I also own both guns like yours and the 10mm is my woodcutting companion. Don't think you could go wrong with either provided you hit the sweet spot. On one hand I like the thought of being able to full auto at a bear in the face at arms reach but also a 360gr HC really flat point going through him 5 or 6 feet is also a good thing. One finally note, I own a S&W 329 which weight about 30ozs. It's a joy to carry but I HATE shooting it with heavy loads!! PS Also own a Ruger Super Blackhawk in 480 Ruger with a 410gr HC at about 1200fps. Should do fine on.................anything.
why the .480? using non- +p loads, I get 1050 to 1140 lbs/ft from my 41 mag Ruger Redhawk depending on the ammo. Having to jump to a 'boutique cartridge' to get marginal more effectiveness is silly. I spend $25.00 for 20 rounds ($1.25/full power round) in 41Mag. How much does your 480 Ruger cost every trigger pull?
Yea 10mm..but sig 357 hyper velocity king
True!!
I live in North Carolina, so I don't have to worry about charging Grizzlies!
Yeah I've shot the ria 10mm double stack, it's a heavy gun, but accurate and fast, 16 rounds, used 180 grain and heavy 220 grain rounds. Not much recoil, was like shooting a 40 s@w
Semi auto pistols are not brush guns unless you go into the brush for 12hrs at a time..
I'm a professional timber faller, I live in the woods, I carry ss magnum revolvers.....
…by the way, I thought you made a very convincing case for the 10mm. I’m planning on getting one, but I’m going to go the S&W MP 10 route.
Thank you for your videos, Chuke-I find your stuff interesting and relevant.
I have the S&W M&P 10mm and it's not reliable. I need to send it in to get fixed. I have failure to feed issues with both magazines every single time. I've probably tried 10 different ammo brands. If it doesn't get fixed it will be the first weapon I'm selling it off and getting the Glock, SIG, or FN in 10mm.
@@KPHVAC …here I sit, all broken hearted…with my new and unfired Smith 10mm 😳
Need a glock 454 casull