Jim Cornette Reviews Johnny Gargano vs. Tommaso Ciampa at NXT TakeOver New Orleans
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As much as i like Jonny, Jim is right when he said that Gargano has only two facial expressions. He needs to work more on that.
I feel like the only time cornette gives that god tier wrestling knowledge is in matches that he has problems with but wanted to enjoy. I only say this because in those cases, he will take the time to explain how the finish could be better, or better time managment in and out of the ring, facial reactions. I just wish Tommaso would become an old school heel and just shoot on the world. Problem is the WWE put out BLACKheart.
great match tho
No he doesn’t no one gives af about the two faces they’re their for the great matches
I do agree with Jim for the most part, but why referee interference? It's unsanctioned.
"I'm not trying to shit on these guys..." As he shits on the match.
I'm not sure that Jim Cornette understood the symbolism of the crutch.
Doesn't matter. They did the spot poorly.
ACDC7GNR He didn't, he doesn't watch anything except for the big stuff. He hasn't followed the story
+DownFromTheSky89 no they didn't
+Jonathan Herrera going by that logic you probably jizz yourself over Will Ospreay's phony looking bullshit.
+DownFromTheSky89 PWG is garbage, dipshit.
And thus Johnny SAMEFACE was born.
I really liked their match. NXT Takeover:New Orleans was super front to back.
I thoroughly enjoyed this match much more than any Okada Omega match, unpopular opinion, but this match felt so personal, the spots were so brutal, i thought it was amazing
it was the story over moves matches where the story felt heavier than the moves
I agree with Johnny's facial expressions. He looks like he gets concussed/knocked out after any big move and it looks phony when he's doing it like 4 times in the same match. But I did think this match was one of the best in modern wrestling so far, way better than any other match throughout the entire week except maybe Riddle v Sabre Jr. Still haven't watched it yet so I'll have to see afterwards. This is definitely as close to a classic as we're gonna get from WWE for a long time
Prolly cause these two were working pretty stiff and we're slapping the shit outta each other lol. I'd say he was concussed.
I agree with a lot of what Jim says a lot of times in terms of wrestling but it seems like he wants every match to be the same on every show sometimes.
#SnackSociety Of course he does, he is still bitter SMW isn't going to his day.
nope that is not even remotely his point. Like he loved the Asuka vs Charlotte match and DIY vs the Revival..those were two very different matches.
You hear the matches he praised in the Mania review he talked about matches being different.
I don't really get that vibe at all in fact I've heard him say multiple times that these days one of the biggest problems is that every match is basically the same.
I agree that this was not old school heat. The fans hate the "character" not the person. Old School they hated the person and believed he or she was a horrible human being. Great match though and I agree with some of Jim's critiques. I definitely felt due to the story being told there should have been blood.
Difference is people thought it was real back then. The heat Ciampa had was as real as heat gets these days. When you take a powerbomb off the apron onto the concrete floor and the crowd chant "You deserved it" You know you've booked a good heel in the modern era.
If a Suplex is done off an elevated area to the floor, Cornette will hate it. This guy really fucking said "hit the guy with the furniture not the furniture with the guy!" So Cornball wants Ciampa to pick up the fucking plywood table cover and hit Gargano with it? The way they did it got a much better reaction and better payoff, throw a small guy like Johnny into some shit. In action movies you see goons getting thrown over bars and onto tables all the time. They don't pick up a fucking table and hit someone with it. And maybe Cornette wasn't paying attention but they did use two crutches, they used the second one for the finish where Gargano broke it and then thought twice about it. Cornette just doesn't get the bigger picture. The fans and their expectations have changed, we don't have the same mindset our grandparents had towards the product.
I love ya corny. I gave up wwe in 03. But stop judging them by 80s standards. By current wwe this was gd amazing. Name a wwe watch better than this in the past 5 years? I only recently started watching nxt. But gd ciampa v gargano n ciampa vs black made me fall in love with wrestling again.
Ciampa v. Black wasn't 30+ mins, 4 times. It was no more than 20 mins and they only did it once. Then black got sent up to the "main roster" and now.....R.I.P. Aliester Black.
Tommaso Ciampa is the best heel in the WWE. The heat he has is intense.
I was at this show. It was awesome. This match went sorta long lol I got tired
Dragon ball z match.... It was cool...kinda too long...
@@chrisiverson5648 yeah I was salty I didn't get a glow stick haha I have a vid on my phone of the crowd screaming jt
@@MrSweetpoeticjustice: I know that was a cool moment bro👍🏾
@@chrisiverson5648 I hate I missed wrestlemania but I had to work
Why do oldschool people pine for the days when people would try to attack heels in the ring? How much money do they think someone stupid enough to do that has to spend?
Well obviously they had the money to go to the shows, otherwise they wouldn't have been at the show to jump the rail in the first place XD. It was easier to fool the people and get people invested back then.. easy to make people have genuine feelings for or against.. enough where people would try and harm you.
Yes, but what about PPV buys, t-shirts, video sales. Carnie wrestling was created to fool these knuckle dragging morons, but carnie wrestling doesn't exist anymore. Vince killed it. It's not about just putting asses in seats anymore, it's moving products of all sorts to people with money that a moron who loads a water gun with Draino to shoot at heels can't afford to spend because he makes $12 an hour or is unemployed.
Carnie wrestling was different than the 60s/70's/80's wrestling that Corny loves. If the guy can afford to go to show he can afford to get some merch... not only stupid people got riled up back in the day. they were just invested. surly the stupid would be more likely to spend the money on lots of merch if they are into a face enough to try and help them XD
If you weren't there at the time you couldn't possibly understand.
WHATWOULD LOUTHESZDO it's like if someone tried to attack Santa. At a certain age you would try and help him.
TAKEOVER NEW ORLEANS WAS BETTER THAN WRESTLEMANIA!!!! PERIOD!!!!
Good review
I love you corny, but this was an absolute classic, shame he didn't like it that much.
An attempted classic, junior.
i thought it was okay, but i think Tommaso really needed the win, long time off. coming back and losing to the guy after he was booted off nxt only to be back like 2-3 weeks later. eh.
''An attempted classic, junior'' Lmao, what a pretentious twat.
I love corny, But I can't disagree more.
na, it was a good grudge match that went on too long. It has been waaay overrated and overblown. It really sucks that the actual championship match was cut terribly short for this shit. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but I think it just went on for too long and there wasn't much storytelling it was just a overly dramatic spotfest. I wanted to see another good length classic Almas match not an overblown grudge match.
16:04 - 16:29 I completely agree with him on this. there were too many spots in this match that looked way too choreographed.
so fucking what?
When you can only pick 25 seconds of a 20 match that tells you how bad the commentary is. Jim has always been my favorite manager and is crazy in love with wrestling..... From the 80s. After that he cannot say a good word about current wrestling. It's different now jim. I'm sorry but it just is. He still is insanely knowledgeable just out of touch. And his point on Russo of the brawl for all made me finally truly hate Russo instead of just not like him
@@bstortz "After that he cannot say a good word about current wrestling."
not true at all. most of the wrestling these days is not good so he is mostly negative but there are wrestlers, promos and matches that he likes and praises.
people always choose to ignore those and just focus on the negative.
This is one of those rare matches you can show someone who is not a wrestling fan, and it might make them one.
my c ousins said what is this boring fake crap lets watch horrid henry.
Jesus Jim tell us how you really feel
i really liked that much but good points
im also not a fan of this extrem finisher overkill from fn everyone in every company
Julian D. Breakdown To be fair, Gargano only locked on his finisher once maybe twice, Ciampa hit his finisher once off the top rope, but didn't pin.
Well now it’s way worse lmao Adam Cole can’t win a match without 6 last shots
“That we watched 6 months ago” .
takeover Toronto Nov 2016.
Takeover New Orleans April 2018.
People that get on Corny for being negative, please realize it's like working construction. There's internal struggles between electricians, plumbers, etc. All we see is the the external structure. I'll trust the guy that's been in the business for 40 years.
he is right and wrong 50% I listen to him :D if he is right he is god damn right , if he is wrong he just becomes "Old Man screams at cloud" . love listening to him but some topic I just can't listen to the crap he says xD
Because Corny has an excellent mind for wrestling and has been in the business for 40 years....doesn’t mean his opinions are automatically correct and unchallengeable. I usually agree with him, but sometimes he’s way off-and he is here. He obviously didn’t even watch the entirety of the Gargano/Ciampa feud and or break-up...because he didn’t know the symbolic significance of the crutch that was used in the match. He seemed to be nitpicking just to nitpick in this review. He had far more criticisms for this great match than the Reigns/Lesnar trash ass main event at Mania
CJ Bourne Hard to have a lot of criticism for a match that lasted roughly 10 minutes and consisted of nothing more than "I'll slam you now you punch me now false finish false finish false finish false finish I win now"
Been in the business for 40 years but has nothing to show for it, he's an embarrassment who has burned every bridge with every promotion he's ever been involved in.
@@StrivedeLaLear yeah, nothing to show for it, besides a buttload of money when WWE bought him out twice.
Will Cornette comment on Cena and Nikki's breakup?
Jim 'Get Off My Lawn' Cornette
Yeah that was a big plothole in the match the crutch steal part. Otherwise the match did warm up to me
This guy has something against everything that's not mid-80s Rock & Roll/Midnight Express.
Jamal Washington at this point, I definitely agree. And I usually love Corny, but he seems to be against everything that he wasn’t involved in somehow. And since he was talking about Gargano’s facial expressions....when did Beautiful Bobby ever have any facial expressions?? I can never recall any. Neither did Dennis Condrey or Stane Lane
Bullshit. That's what people always say when they disagree w/ Corny but can't come up w/ a reason why he's actually wrong. I don't always agree w/ Corny but he does praise modern matches and wrestlers when he thinks they're good.
go and look at his review of the asuka vs charlotte match, the ronda rousey and kurt angle vs the authority match, every major revival match((especially those involving DIY)) and so on.
It’s the only thing people remember him for he’s the actor in the decent movie who only talks about that one movie he was in
That makes the point even stronger. He’ll put over main roster WWE matches that aren’t anywhere near as high a quality as NXT matches...yet finds reason after reason to nitpick NXT matches. He called Steph/HHH vs Rousey/Angle “the best wrestling match he saw all weekend”. It was a very entertaining match, but saying it’s “the best wrestling match all weekend” is complete horseshit from someone who knows as much about wrestling as Corny. And facial expressions, really?? That’s ridiculously nit picky
Can you review ROH's Supercard of Honor???
Clifton Smith I thought it was a decent event but I was expecting more
zak rowe HONORCLUB robbed me. I paid $10 for that membership but the website crashed Saturday evening and I still haven't watched because you hit play and nothing happens.
supercard of honor COULD have been good but there were too many dives that ended with a guy landing on his head.
bladestormviking it was only 2 lol
My bitch was why an "unsanctioned" match the main event?
It's actually an old-school thing. Traditionally, in the territory days, if you did an "unsanctioned" match (often called a "lights out" match at the time), you would do every other match on the card before it, then you would turn the lights off briefly (as you would do at the end of a show) before turning them back on, to signify that this is not a match sanctioned by the federation as part of the show, this is something off the books. If they'd gone whole-hog on that, they'd have had the copyright logo after the end of Almas-Black and faded to black for about two seconds before resuming the feed, but having it at the end of the show, after all the sanctioned matches, gave it some of the same feel.
Corny should watch both of Adam cole's matches on takeover spot fest first match and the tag match had great psychology
i really dont know what you wanted from a 6 man ladder match
kieran westron . Oh I loved it I'm just saying they where two very different matches with one linked story
Corny will probably take a racehorse-sized shit on the ladder match. He hates “gimmick matches” with tons of spots. I thought the ladder match was fantastic, and told a great story. If he found a way to incessantly nitpick the Gargano/Ciampa Match...I don’t even wanna hear his thoughts on the ladder match lol
Champa is gonna have to retire soon. I remember him from 15 years ago
I gota wach this now
Meltzer gave Gargano vs Ciampa AND the NA Title ladder match 5 stars.
Three 5 star matches in WWE. In 4 months. 2 on the same show.
The sooner Triple H is in Vince's position of power, the better.
Vinnie Mac he also gave punk vs cena 5 stars and that was a sloppy match with a hot crowd. I can't trust his scores after that lol
MAV - IMG People need to realize something about his star rating system. He doesn't just rate the match, he rates the crowd, the characters, the build-up to the match, the promos, and the feud itself. So even if the Cena vs Punk match was sloppy, it had a 5-Star atmosphere.
Yeah I'm glad he uses the crowd reaction as part of the score. I think a lot of the new Japan matches could be even better with a hot crowd. I think it's only natural for a great crowd to kinda influence you and make you think a match was better than it was, but that's a good thing. It should be that way...my opinion only tho.
Brian Whitt In Japan, crowds are getting louder and louder. Did you even see Dominion? Better pops than WWE.
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for fuck sake just because no one wants to stab a wrestler in this day and age doesn't mean it can't be old school heat.
yes. yes it does
+Jack Doomsday no it doesn't. Having a building be better policed in the 70's / 80's would have meant no one got stabbed.
If old school heat led to people wanting to stab the heels, and people don't want to stab the heels, then by nature of definition, it's not old school heat. You're not disputing his analysis of Ciampa, you're disputing his definition of old school heat.
+Bryce Mc|Neil yet it is also now known that wrestling is fake. Ciampa from his twitter game to his promos may have been the most despised person on the WWE banner this weekend excluding reigns as they want Ciampa to be a heel. Yet that does not mean just because no one is stupid enough to go to prison for stabbing a wrestler anymore does not mean he can not have an insane amount of heat.
Also I have been to other sporting events boxing, UFC, soccer etc where there have been people who have antagonized the fans and no one tries to stab them. So what the hell was going on in wrestling that it was seen as normal?
To be fair, in this clip specifically, Cornette doesn't make a value judgment on whether or not old school heat is a good thing. He was simply saying "by today's standards, this is the right kind of heat because old school heat doesn't exist anymore."
Haha he is right. All Gargano does is give that deer in a headlights look like every move on him was a concussed hit.
His facial expressions go as far as any other run of the mill Indy guy. They can lay out like they were shot in the head with a like HBK did, get intense where theyre screaming after every single move for a cheap pop, and they can open their eyes really wide like they got hit in the head by prime Cro Cop with a dumbfounded look on their face. most of them, anyway
Jim should've just watched Takeover, was a much better show then Mania.
Two completely different styles of wrestling. Two completely different products you can't compare them.
Both owned by the same company, both showing wrestling. Yeah you can compare them XD
Adam Timmons The main roster doesn't show wrestling it shows 'sports entertainment' ie emphasis on characters and storylines over in ring wrestling so obviously NXT will always be better in the the in ring department but it doesn't appeal to a casual audience like Wrestlemania does.
Steven Campbell NXT has a focus on characters and storylines too. That's WWE's style.
Steven Campbell boy, youre all kinds of stupid, keep drinking that koolaid
Disagree here
Cornettes idea does sound better.
Watch back HBK’s matches where he made the calls it is all high spots and shit story telling, I never can understand how someone can say he is a top 10 guy much less the greatest. All he ever did was fly around and make every move seem wasted, and only get himself over.
These NXT kids always typically overdo it. How much shit short of getting like roadkill by a runaway train can you take? And half of it your not even going to fucking sell? Typical supermidget match. Plus it's long and drawn out. We can't have one good match that goes under 7 minutes. Fucking A.
It was a good grudge match that went on too long. It has been waaay overrated and overblown. It really sucks that the actual championship match was cut terribly short for this shit. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but I think it just went on for too long and there wasn't much storytelling it was just a overly dramatic spotfest. I wanted to see another good length classic Almas match not an overblown grudge match.
"there wasn't much storytelling" oh shut the fuck up.
Jonathan Herrera butthurt much 😆
No storytelling?? You obviously have no idea about storytelling in professional wrestling. Name one match since HHH vs Taker at mania 28 besides Gargano vs Almas at TakeOver and Dream vs Black that had better storytelling than this
HBKforever210 you obviously don't either if you think those are the only good storytelling matches. Nakamura vs Roode at takeover San Antonio, AJ Styles vs John Cena at Summerslam, Almas vs McIntyre at takeover Houston, Kota Ibushi vs Zack Sabre Jr. at NJPW Cup, Okada vs Shibata at Sakura Genesis, Okada vs Omega at Wrestlekingdom 11, AJ Styles vs Okada at Dontaku 2014, Johnny Mundo vs Prince Puma Ironman match, Pentagon Jr. vs Vampiro at Ultima Lucha, Son of Havok, Ivelisse, Angelico vs The Crew Trios Championship, Mil Muertes vs Fenix Grave Consequences. Shit, and thats just season 1 of Lucha Underground. There are plenty of matches waaay better in everything not just storytelling than this overrated, overlydramatic, way too long, overdone grudge match, spotfest.
HBKforever210 there's a shitload of other matches, and just in nxt alone, with better storytelling.
I have always liked Jim's podcast,but I honestly think he hates on wrestling because he is not relevant anymore... NXT,Njpw is as good as any wrestling since the 80's!!just my opinion!
JDog butler I think it's better and I agree, Cornett can sound a bit delusional at times
Corny gives reasons as why he thinks why he thinks and has the advantage of booking his own company and being creative for Major companies. He knows when something isn't booked right or when the flow of a show or match is off. I don't tend to like modern WWE style wrestling but I enjoyed the show overall and most of the Gargano/Ciampa a lot. I do think Ciampa is a better heel than gargano is as face.
Corny is still pretty relevant, his podcasts and stuff still get a lot of views, he's making money without having to do the stressful stuff he used to do. I'd say he's winning/
I never said he wasn't making money but his style died out!he is making money the only way he can with wrestling these days...if he was still relevant next,njpw,roh,nxt and see would have him there,dont let him fool you with he doesn't want to be on the Rd any more ....I was a die hard midnight express fan but those days are over!! NXT and njpw are Over bottom line!!!! Quit hating Jim!!!!!
(Correction)NXT not next and WWE not see
I think he's putting these guys over more than criticizing. His points of contention are more with the layout of the match and where they performed their spots. If his biggest complaint about Johnny is his facial expressions then it's really not hating on him, in fact, he repeatedly puts over his work as crisp and athletic. He repeatedly says Ciampo made a great heel and his work was exceptional at it. I loved this match, but I can see Corney's points as well. I thought Ciampo's facials when Gargano had the crutch was awesome near the finish and it made the eventual tap out more dramatic. Corney loved the finish but thought it looked too staged by Gargano. To each his own. But I wouldn't just disregard Corney's POV as too old school when he spends so much time praising what he saw. Nor do I automatically love everything just because it comes under the NXT banner.
I’m a fan of him but he’s off on this one
No he's not. This thing went too long and too much no-selling. Too much work rate bullshit.
You profile picture and goofy name shows your bias. You're not looking at this from a balanced perspective.
Corny again not getting it and understanding the build or the story. Old man yells at cloud
He gets it more than you ever will kiddo.
DownFromTheSky89 Except he didn't get it, at all, he even says that in the video and legitimately sounds confused.
Well I did watch it and he's not missing much. It wasn't that great of a build. He still knows more than both of you. You smarks are out of control.
F Gievski Dumbass kid thinks he knows, but has much to learn
Lol this comment thread is a great example of two people hearing completely different things from the clip, in each case hearing what they wanted to hear. Cornette had some critiques of this match but he also gave it some strong praise a few times. That's how a review is supposed to work - you talk about the things you liked, and the things you didn't like. It's called nuance, which is an old-timey thing we had back in the day before online comment sections were invented.
Let's hear jims thoughts on Kenny/Cody
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Jim cornette good god dude if it's not the Rockers you ain't happy if it's not somebody that's 90 you're not happy I love you but damn dude. That was a wonderful match of that everything storytelling was on point.
And another 5 star match
2:27 god damn, attempted murder is what counts as old school heat??? Its not "good" fans reacting to "good" story?
Tim Langenderfer what he means is “odd school heat” is when fans actually hate you, from the 70s-90s fans would riot and try to attack the heels cause of what they would say and do when nowadays yes sometimes they get booed but no ones gonna be legitimately mad at them
@@Green-cd1np 2 years later…
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I wasn't overly impressed with this match, I thin baszler vs moon was match of the night
too short , left no taste for me :D for me clearly gargano/thomaso . But I get that womens match was stiff and more realistic. But for that I would watch Ufc
Black vs Almas was match of the night
i agree
Has Jim never watched a NJPW match? Most matches there fit his description. Needlessly slow and long. No need to go 45-50 minutes.
Kenny is there, I guess that's the reason he doesn't watch it. and on some interview he called NJPW: some indie show xD so yeah, weird how he doesn't care about Japan's product
Mr Team Guy most people don't. Hell,JR is the commentator and he barely gives a shit.
most of the matches that do go 45-50 minutes is because the first 15 minutes or so are used as a feeling out process because most likely they’re wrestling for the first time
No, he really doesn't watch NJPW at all.
Sagar Adhikari JR isn't a commentator for NJPW anymore and when he did commentary for Wrestle Kingdom, he said it reminded him to why he loved wrestling again. Also, JR has bells palsy so he always has that "not give a shit" demeanor. Might want to learn what you're talking about before you look like an idiot. If people didn't give a shit about NJPW it wouldn't be the second largest wrestling promotion in the world.
Came to the comments to see the cringe of cornette was not disappointed
its almost like he watches the matches just to nit pick anything and everything he can, i like this guy but sometimes it just sounds like bickering.
I DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT JIM SAID!!!STILL NXT TAKEOVER IS BETTER THAN WRESTLEMANIA 34!!!
I agree that match was too long which made it boring as heel. most overrated match ever. It shouldve been like 20 mins,
I turned it off about 10 minutes in. These 2 almost put me to sleep.
Isaiah Ross Sounds like it was passed your bed time.
same here it was boring as hell
Lies
Jim Cornette hates wrestling. Just another sad and bitter old timer.
or you know loves wrestling so much it makes him mad when dumb stuff happens
kieran westron . Subjectively dumb. He doesn't love wrestling, he's in love with his idea of what wrestling has to be.
That Boy Killjoy but isn't everyone
That Boy Killjoy Nailed it.
Gargano has zero personality. He's a good worker but he's so, so boring
amen
Is he just hate-watching at this point? Or faking an opinion just to be controversial? I was in the audience and it was legit the best match I've ever seen live. This is just ridiculously overly-nitpicky bullshit.
No, it's just the facts. I'm not a big Corny fan and I have to agree w/ everything he said here. They've had much better matches as a tag team.
Or he's telling his honest opinion and you're just a crybaby who can't handle when someone criticizes your indy darlings.
Gargano is great technically but he's just so fucking boring
and thats why i give the match 2 stars