Jim Cornette on Chris Jericho vs. Kenny Omega & The State Of Modern Indie Wrestling
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It's funny to think, that all these comments saying Jim is wrong about things, are now praising him for being right this whole time. 🤣 isn't that ironic?
Jim is like the God Father of Pro wrestling.
Then: “I love Chris Jericho!”
Now: “Fuck Chris Jericho!”
Brian seemed surprised Jim said Punk would be more over than Danielson, but Corny was right.
Don't tell Cornette that Kota Ibushi also fought the blow up doll.
He actually said that he has no idea who Kota Ibushi is but if he did wrestle a blow up doll then fuck him too.
Omega and Ibushi both wrestled a blowup doll
Kota Ibushi is a really good worker in that ring as far as I'm concerned he could have a 6 star match with Kenny Omega anytime if you don't like it Jim Cornette well then TO HELL WITH YOU
Nobody tell Cornette that one of Ibushi's first big match was for a title called the GAY World Anal Championship
MongolianCh0p why should you care what someone else says or thinks, if you like a wrestler don't change your opinion just because of a guy like Cornette. take to mind it's part of his gimmick, he knows it'll bring omega fans to his show to gear what he will say next
never get tired of his Omega rants
It’s crazy. AEW is basically Kenny Omega & the Young Bucks pet project to stick it to Jim Cornette. It’s FASCINATING listening to this 5 years later. Jim basically foretold & “PROPHECIZED” AEW!
I’ve been on a rabbit hole listening to early AEW episodes, and it’s crazy how he kept referring to Cody as the “Smart One.” And advice he distance himself from them…he distanced himself alright. Also the fact that this episode is while Danielson was still sidelined, and Cornette still predicted Punk being a larger draw than Danielson. And not even Copeland is bringing in the viewers Punk was drawing on AEW television.
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@@rj5822crazy man
Jericho is the AEW version of WCW Nash.
Cornette truly was rooting for them to be successful. Even though he hated the style of wrestling. He wanted them to sell out. Even gave advice on how to sell out. Advice they followed almost to the letter
Wow, how things have changed. He was putting Jericho over hard in this video.
Lol, listen to him now🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Jericho was his boy, maybe one of the greatest young talents Jim ever gave a break too. Now he's an ass hat.
Yes, but it becomes obvious it’s Jericho that has changed. Everything Corny is praising him for here, Chris has reversed on.
33:46 oh no, oh no I think he accidentally predicted the future again.
It's so interesting how a guy who is so conservative about wrestling is such a bold liberal politically.
Is that what a republican is now then - just someone who says shit that passed muster 20 years ago but doesn't today? Nothing to do with social economics, gun control foreign policy etc?
@John Banks Corny isn't retarded. So, no. He isn't a republican.
You can not like the flippy shit and Still be a liberal.joseph montecillo
not really.
he's right about both.
it's about having common sense & doing what's decent & right,
no matter what it is.
@@Gravydog316 nah wrestling should be fun, you want to watch a real fight watch MMA.
"Chris Jericho isn't going to do anything hokie or stupid in this match and he's going to make it as believable as possible"
In reality everything he said was wrong and the match itself was slow and garbage.
Aged like fine wine 🤣🤣
I typically agree with Cornette about a lot of things with wrestling. However, he's completely off about NJPW. For all of his gripes, he's overlooked the fact NJPW is getting back to treating wrestling as a sport, not "sports entertainment". It's not always perfect, but they've been on fire with their in ring product and presentation. Cornette obviously hasn't paid attention to any of the current shows or guys on the roster.
Mr. Wombatt the dissonance with Cornette is he hates in his word silly shit but he comes from a time of ridiculously goofy and lame names but because he was young then he can't look at anything objectively anymore.
Mr. Wombatt I think cornette has admitted that he doesn't watch modern wrestling, and in most of his videos, like this one, he explains why. It sounds like the only matches he watches are ones that people tell him about, but it doesn't appear that he on his own picks a wrestling show to watch.
Jim doesnt properly remember the past of wrestling. There has always been goofy stoopid shit in wrestling, and he has even been a part of it. Remember everytime Cornette would end up with cakes and pies in his face? In goofy segments that are obviously set up for him to get it in his face.
Wrestling always had dumb segments that exposed the business. ALWAYS. Everyone, outside of idiots, has always known wrestling is fake. Smart people have always enjoyed its presentation when done properly.
Like it or not, adults who enjoy wrestling usually know its a work, but get caught up in the angles. Its just like soap operas. They're fake and ridiculous, but they have their dedicated fans who watch loyally.
I just watched a jon Moxley vs nik Gage match and it made Juggalo Championship wrestling look like Steamboat vs savage at Wrestlemania
Wow Lightyears difference between what Jim said about Jericho then and what he says about him now lol
And three years later chris looks like he never left the Thanksgiving table doing a bunch of bullshit on AEW
Cornette talks extensively about things and people he admits he doesnt watch.
so does everybody else, what's your point
As much as I LOVE Cornette, this is sadly a fact.
Because it’s a work.
@@emartinez557 the point is, he has this deep opinion about this stuff he doesnt pay attention to. How? how can you have an opinion on something that you talk about for 2 hours weekly, but you also admit to not even watching it or paying attention to it?
Cornette been saying the wrestling business was dead for so long and it never would come back but you got indie promotions selling out MSG now, you got AEW going weekly on tv soon, the WWE signing billion dollar deals, and wrestlers having multiple places to work instead of one company being the end all be all. How is that dead?
@@keithmarcell1588 i ran over a puppy on accident before and got out of my car to check on it only to find one of its back legs sticking through its neck while making the most horrible sounds i have ever heard. I seen this horrid sight one time... I never need to see a bloody and dying puppy again to know its horrible and dont like it
Cornette’s been saying the same things for SIX YEARS now and people still think he’s playing up a gimmick (beyond the humorous exaggeration)
I am a strong advocate for Jim Cornette, I might even be considered a mark and he is usually on the money with his views both wrestling and outside but this knocking Omega is tired and old now. Its a personal vendetta against him thats it. I wholeheartedly disagree with him here and if you look at some of his booking ideas in SMW it was extremely cheesy and embarrassing. The other thing is that Brian Last likes Omegas style and thinks he is a good wrestler. He has shared his thoughts before.
I bet Corny could rant for an hour how his booking made perfect sense, haha
I agree but he shouldnt have wrestled a blowup doll, omega is talented seems like a good guy but corny has it his old school mentallity, he always on the money but is alittle over the top/wrong on his personal hate for kenny omega... but joey ryan dick spot move should be banned peroid lol
Kenny Omega is a great athletic wrestler that doesn't know how to work a proper match and just does moves for the sake of moves just because, "i can do it." Despite the fact a lot of wrestlers can do what he does. Their are a lot of athletic gymnastic type wrestlers out there that can do the things he does. The difference between the ones that are great pro wrestlers to Kenny Omega is that the great pro athletic wrestlers know how to work a match. To make it believable, and that oh so important thing that so many indie promotions lack including todays generation for most of the japan wrestlers is hardly any ring psychology being used.
Because of that, it is simply not my style of wrestling that i enjoy and love watching in regards to matches and wrestlers. To me, Kenny Omega does not stand out because their is really nothing that makes him stand out because he just does moves that so many wrestlers can actually do. And he is incapable in wanting to make a match have ring psychology where you can take it seriously.
The best example i can give is when Kenny or his opponent nails a high impact maneuver. Yea, its a big time high impact maneuver. A maneuver that should get a rise from the crowd. But why should i care about this move and see it as an important moment in the match when, jesus christ, 98% of the time, right after that high impact maneuver, the guy that took the blow from that move is the person to nail the next offensive maneuver! Which of course throws away that move of being of any importance to the match because it meant nothing because it really didn't mean a thing because the guy he nailed the move on is the guy that is hitting the next offensive maneuver. It...it just irks me to no end when i see that constantly happening with no rhyme or reason. Let alone when that maneuver can easily be seen as a finisher and yet the match is not going to end for another 15 to 20 minutes while the pace of the action is still the same as if the two wresters are fresh as hell.
simon collingwood: That's the thing: A guy with as much potential as Omega shouldn't have wrestled a blowup doll. That's for the Colt Cabanas, the Doinks, and the Joey Ryans of the biz. Omega's too good for that shit. How could any promoter worth a damn push this guy now in front of 14,000 screaming fans in a sold out arena and his opponent plays this over a titantron? Even fans who know it's a work and don't take wrestling seriously will be like "THIS.....is the guy?"
I do think Jim takes it a little too far sometimes in his barbs but he has a point: Omega killed just about any legitimacy he had in one match. I don't know if it was his idea or not. If it was- Omega's dumber than a box of rocks. If he didn't- he should've told whoever suggested it to piss off.
Idc what Jim has to say about me me other conservatives/republicans, though I’m not your typical conservative seeing invited for Obama twice and only voted trump the first time cause Hilary is insufferable and this time cause I figured Joe be dead by now and I didn’t trust Kamala Harris tbh.
But no matter what he ever says about us, I will always live Corny and am one of those people who doesn’t let my political views run my life or really have anything to do with ky personality, and also I consider myself to be very open minded to anything and especially change, but also I just live the wrestling business and really the wrestling that Jim is always describing and the business he misses and u Miss so much and wish we had back and wish that there was some way we could all get our wrestling business back honestly and get away from purely sports entertainment. Which from what my friend have told me is AEW these days. Which I haven’t watched much wwe in the last 10 years, better yet AWW, but I have watched a bunch of you tube videos, and I’m starting to get into the brand on TV and I have to say I’m impressed with some if it, but at the same time some if it still kinda turns me off, but I did like the feel of it and all mire than some of the WWE shows and product these days.
2022 & I’m here !
I was shocked when I found out Jim was a democrat
He’s just a very confused human lol
Least he's a Democrat
Politics aren't real, just ppl playing "leader"... Just saying man🤷🏾♂️
He hates the Democrats just less than the Republicans
well... you always turned your fist into a sammich, so...
Why do people care so much what Cornette thinks of Omega? He dislikes him because in his mind, Omega has disrespected the business and shit on everything that Corney and his peers worked so hard to take serious over the years. He has a legitimate reasons to hate him but I don't understand why others get so upset by this. Just because Cornette dislikes him doesn't mean you have to. Lets all just enjoy what we do and dislike what we want.
They're upset that Corny might be right, and Omega's popularity, more than Omega's behavior, reflects poorly on the industry.
Omega never had to wrestle little girls, go skipping during matches, or dress up like a Disney princess; but that stupid shit is what modern wrestling fans like.
J P because this old man forgot Vince made a mockery when it became sports entertainment its magic is long gone
@@vsgamingandatheism5017 he didn't forget it. He said he blames McMahon plenty of times for this. Not as much as the rest of them but he blames him too.
VillaFanFTW they are all at fault
Adolf Hitler is that what I fucking said prick of did I mention they are both at fault shit wrestling fans are at fault lol your an edgelord I’m just a guy who is stating a fact you can’t stop them from destroying wrestling
So, Corny has still only seen two matches of Kenny Omega's: Kenny Omega vs. the 9-year old girl and Kenny Omega vs. the blow-up doll and claims to know exactly how good Omega is.........
No he has seen others. Look it up. He has talked about wk 11
Omega shot himself in the foot with Cornette when he ducked a ROH booking while Corny worked there. The rest of it is icing on the cake.
Elasticater and he won't let that go. Its been 10 years. U think he fucked his wife
You know he has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder for certain shit stains..
That's true but then I can relate to that. If I don't like people, I don't like people. It's a fault, sure, but everybody's different. It would be hypocritical of myself to criticise Corny for that.
I've been a fan of Corny since the early 80's and I have a lot of respect for him but he's got some serious blinders on concerning Omega. Coloring his entire career based on one stupid comedy match he did years ago is just silly. The guy's legitimately one of the best performers working today.
tmage23 that Jericho having a "match with a broomstick" comment kind of rubbed me the wrong way, like Omega isn't capable of holding his own. Jericho wouldn't be having a match/feud with someone just to carry them. I love Corny, but lately a lot of his hate for anyone, other than Russo, seems so irrational
He is old like me. I mean the blow up doll and 9 yr old was stupid. But I forgot about it. Young Bucks are like watching Hogan in my day and his heyday. And Cena 5 moves of doom. And it's always like whatever show they are on the announcers like are saying superkick party like they are drunck at the end of the night telling the fat girl she is skinny to quick now let's get this over with and fuxk.
I understand him a little bit. I mean, Kenny has proved that he is a very good talent. And he could be one of the best if he wanted to... if he truly buckled down. But, he's still going to be known for wrestling a 9 year old girl and a blow up doll. You can be one of the best wrestlers in the world, but if people are still talking about that to this day, there is not much you can do to truly change people's minds...
one oddity about the invisible man and the "dick spot". they are both shown in the cheech and Chong film "still smoking". As the duo discuss the routines they were mistakenly hired to do in Amsterdam. One of the discarded routines saw the two. Playing heel foreigners taking on the invisible man. Who they eventually tied up in a turnbuckle. Where Chong grabs"something" below the belt and stretches it to the opposite turnbuckle. Then heads to the next one. Everything goes well till he forgets about it and clotheslines himself. "It" now flies around the ring uncontrollably knocking everyone out in the process. The point of this long comment. It was REJECTED BY CHEECH AND CHONGS. The guys who gave us "Dave's not here". Rejected the angle.
I echo Jim's concerns with the state of modern wrestling and his related analogy of top broadway actors doing a dramatic reading with the clown spoiling the whole thing.
In my case, I started watching wrestling in the late 1970s. I grew up watching the tail end of the San Francisco territory, then early 1980s AWA, early 1980s WWF (before Hulk Hogan arrived there), and later Jim Crockett Promotions. At that time, wrestling was presented in weekly television production in the image of sports competition. When WWF went in a different direction in their presentation in the mid 1980s, Jim Crockett Promotions didn't.
Then in 1989, after Turner already bought JCP the prior year, that product gradually harmed my interest in wrestling overall. I can still remember the Chi Town Rumble 89 PPV. As great as the Flair / Steamboat title match was, Jim's analogy of the broadway actors with the clown comes to mind for me. Rick Steiner and Mike Rotunda were putting on a good match, and Jim Ross was selling them in the play-by-play as two former collegiate athletes (i.e. the broadway analogy). Then Kevin Sullivan comes out to ringside and makes a comment about Steiner's dog, distracting Rick (i.e. the clown moment). Then in the finish, Steiner has a sleeper hold on Rotunda, but he maintains the hold while laying on his back, and Steiner's shoulders are down for a 3 count. So a former top Michigan wrestler, who instinctively would stay off his back, ends up pinning himself. A non-logical finish, and another clown moment that spoiled the broadway show overall. That ruined the entire PPV for me.
Of course during that year and over the next couple of years under Jim Herd, to carry on the analogy of the ongoing clown moments, it continued on and on (the Ding Dongs, Norman the Lunatic, the Black Scorpion, RoboCop, stupid finishes, etc.). All of that would hurt my overall interest in wrestling.
In early 1992, I began helping out at a place that trained wrestlers. At that time, it was called the Superstars Pro Wrestling Training Camp owned by Roland Alexander (later to be known as All Pro Wrestling). In those initial years, Roland's role model of how to book and run a promotion was promoter Roy Shire who was in charge of the San Francisco territory in the 60s and 70s. In contrast to what WWF and WCW were doing, he wanted to see wrestling be presented seriously and believably. He was also a stickler for ring psychology and wanted whatever was done in a match to make logical sense and to tell a story. By early 1997, I had stopped helping out at the wrestling school (just before Barry Blaustein brought in his film crew to record footage for the Beyond The Mat movie). By that time, in my opinion, Roland had relaxed his views on the product he wanted to present, and I think much of what happened in the Gym Wars shows reflects this. I think that was also the result of the direction of where the wrestling business was going. I didn't like what it was becoming.
I don't watch any current wrestling now and haven't over the last 15-20 years. I like watching all kinds of old footage up through the 1980s of promotions from the U.S. and around the world, and I also like hearing Jim Cornette's stories from the old days as well as stories from other wrestlers from back at that time, but that's the extent of it. So coming from this perspective, I echo his concerns with the state of the business today.
You are one of the few fans of REAL wrestling with a clue.
Facts... That's why the wrestling business was more over in the 80 down
You get a thumbs up just for how long this statement is... You have true passion, I was in the area where the Cwf was the big federation, nightmare Danny davis, the wildcat Wendell Cooley, Lord humugus, Dennis condrey, the bullet Bob Armstrong, the southern boys... Good times👍🏾
Dont let him fool you. Cornette is the biggest omega mark of all.
Don't*
troll*
I agree, i believe its either a work on his half or theyre both in on it to help each other.
This rant has aged so well. Compare the angle Jericho & Omega did for this match to what The Bucks, Jericho & Omega are doing now left to their own devices w/o any check or balance on their own shit w/AEW & it’s totally unwatchable.
What’s more, the EVPs of AEW hardly speak to each other any more. Tony Khan is getter by by hot shotting his promotion several times a month to draw a rating. And let’s not even talk about how bad WWE is.
I have to say, thank god for Peacock, lots of great content from Mid South, WCCW, CWA, old school WCW is on there and it’s about $5/month in my region. Wrestling is dead. But at least it lives on with access to the good old days!
Cornette can win a table match without a table and cut a promo with a spaghetti stick while still getting over.
I'm all for wrestlers having places to work but let me just put this out as food for thought. The WWE is just a sophisticated version of silly gimmicky Indy wrestling an indie wrestling it's just an outlaw hillbilly lowbrow version of WWE's Hokie nonsense. The only place to see real wrestling that's actually athletic and doesn't do over the top comedy and keeps it reasonable is NXT. If the WWE becomes what NXT is now once Triple H takes over I'll be happy.
I love Jim Cornette and his take on everything I usually agree with except how he feels about Kenny Omega. Kenny is literally one of the best pro wrestlers in the world today
McKeal Lyons he only dislikes that Kenny use to do a bunch of stupid wrestling
The Riddler which was the past but then again, u have one chance to make a good first impression.
jim hating on people tends to work.
That's his point. Omega is the greatest wrestler today, now that wrestling is a niche product that's enjoyed by a tiny fraction of the human populace.
No one knows who Omega is. Everyone knows who McGregor is.
Nintendo Juggalo not really. He's actually a very good all around performer.
Post to r/squaredcircle for easy karma
Why won't Jim start his own promotion
he's retired and makes just as much money without the stress just talking from home
Move over Russo Cornette has a new Archnemisis.
Anyone here that says “i love Jim, but blah” is 95% the type of person who talks up their moral standards, but every time those standards are challenged they just loosen up that standard to let bullshit through.
What I’m saying is 95% of the commenters on this video have zero integrity and zero standards; therefore, you should literally stop reading the comment at the word “but”.
And hey, guys getting work, I'm not against. Doesn't mean it doesn't look stupid. Michael Bay's Transformers movies make money.
Fast forward to to AEW and the Jericho comments didn't age well.
They aged appropriately
I’ve been waiting for this after seeing that Twitter shitstorm the Young Fucks and Dick Ryan created.
Cornette's right not his one though. To illustrate go listen to Meltzer's interviews with Jericho and Omega about this one- all Jericho did was plug and sell the match and Kenny, much like the mark he is, started talking about himself and his inspiration on the performance of the art form and blah blah blah. Kenny is a great worker but is an absolute mark.
Love Corny, but he really needs to get over it. HIS wrestling business died the day McMahon told the whole word it was a work
Wrestling should be treated seriously. I take it seriously but some of the fans and even the wrestlers do not understand the history of the business.
If Cornette's right that you can't have a totally serious promotion at this point (and I believe he is), then it becomes arguable that the best move is to appeal to the small niche audience that does like what's left. A lot of these indie guys know their potential audience is small and what they do is silly, but they're playing to an audience they have as opposed to chasing a hypothetical audience they might never get no matter what they do.
No. You rehab the thing and try to reel people back in, you moron.
Interesting.
wrestling is not legitimate anymore, its become a joke I can understand jim cornette frustration.
Today is May 14, 2018. Listening to this made me believe that Corny is clarvoyant. Today, All In sold out in under 30 minutes, set to be in Chicago and CM Punk is set to at least sign autographs and make an appearence at the event. Corny called all of this right after Christmas. I had to re-listen to it.....
It’s December 23, 2023. When this episode came out Danielson was still sidelined and uncleared to wrestle. Now Danielson wrestles at AEW with a time frame of him retiring as a wrestler, and CM Punk is on his way to main event one of the nights of WrestleMania. And Cody Rhodes. A man who at this time wasn’t allowed legally to use the Rhodes name is also slated to main event one of the two nights of WrestleMania
3 years is how long it took for corny to change his mind on chris
Another Twinkle Toes Mc Finger Bang epic rant😅
Cornette told the God honest truth. WWE is so boring. I can make better matches on my PlayStation.
do it then
😂 your favorite wrestler wrestle dolls
Omega isn’t a bad wrestler just heavily overrated.
Jim just needs to admit that Kayfabe is dead, and it died 2 decades before Kenny Omega got into the business, and Omega got a 4 star match out of the blow up doll, and a 4 star match with the 9 yr old girl and fuckin got over himself. Carney Wrestling is dead and you can't(and shouldn't anyway because Carney Wrestling is for losers and conmen) put the toothpaste back in the tube. You don't need to trick people to get them to watch wrestling. And that's the core idea of Cornette's approach, that you can't make the "real money" unless you fucking scam people.
I love Cornette, great storyteller good dude, smart guy, but his dogmatic ideas of wrestling and how we should all go back to the stone age is getting old as fuck. PWG gets over, DDT and Stardom are comedy feds in Japan that makes fun of WWE for Japanese audiences and develop talent, and put smiles on faces, let it go. NJPW is probably the embodiment of everything Cornette thinks wrestling should be, and they have no problem working in guys like the Bucks and Omega and Kota Ibushi(they even reference his homosexual character to bury him like rasslin would and he's still over like rover) The days of fat hairy dog faced racists assholes with women chained to radiators in their dungeons and name their stockholm syndrome captives "Woman" and "Babydoll" is dead, and thank fucking millennials for that. Let's keep that shit where it belongs Cornette's stories, and Dave Meltzer's history books.
As for Jericho-Omega, I don't know how you could hate a guy like Omega, a guy who's the 2nd or 3rd best worker in the world and is still a good enough guy to let a dad-bod out-of-shape 47-year-old do the layout and call the fucking match because Jericho can't go 30 in the dome because he's out of shape and has to take 900 shortcuts with furniture. P.S all the WWE marks that was Omega's worst match in 2 years. If you liked it, and you probably should considering the shit McMahon shoves down your throat after shooting some of his cum in your eye then you've got a lot of NJPW to watch, fucking enjoy, cuz it's great.
Been ripping on Omega so long he can't like him now.
omega blows
I started watching “Being the Elite” from episode 1 2 months ago. I got to episode 95 and realized that i cant stand any of the central characters. Jim is right its just gymnastics and synchronized swimming washed ashore. Damnit i love wrestling, THANK GOD for WWE network so i can just rewatch the old, good shit instead.
Six years from now and Corny will become a fan of Kenny Omega regardless of Kenny wrestling blow-up dolls and children. Mark my words. 🤣🤣🤣
15:42 how does corney feel about hawk jumping up after taking a piledriver, or hogans gimmick...
He loves it because hes a reminiscing fuck who is incapable of seeing the fault in old talent like hogan. Got some rose colored fuckin glasses permanently attached to his stupid face. Omega is my absolute favorite wrestler. Fuck Cornette for thinking Kenny isnt at least good.
@@nerodeadweightclaudius5422 LMAO. There is your problem. Omega is trash
Hogams gimmick in the WWF was trash. Japan is where he was good..
@@tnbk_andrxw4474 ??? Whats my problem
@@nerodeadweightclaudius5422 Cornette has never said that Kenny is bad. He's said that the comedy bullshit is ruining wrestling which it is.
Saying Jericho would never do anything Hokie or stupid didn't age well
It's all about taste. Just because Jim Cornette doesn't like a wrestler, it doesn't make him right that the wrestler is bad and that the fans are bad for liking said wrestler. Harley Race thought that Jerry Lawler was nobody and that's Cornette's favorite wrestler (personally I'm a fan of both Lawler and Race). Lou Thesz thought guys like Abdullah the Butcher and The Sheik were horrible for pro wrestling, but those were two huge drawing heels that were great at their gimmicks. There are cats on here that don't like WWE's style of doing things and there are folks that don't like promotions like NJPW. Then there are promotions like PWG that fans either seem to love or hate. That's what was great about the territory era of pro wrestling and what's great about pro wrestling now, unlike the early 2000's when WCW & ECW died & WWE was the only real show in the United States, New Japan was seriously struggling due to Inoki wanting it to be a shoot style promotion, All Japan was undergoing a serious change due to Keiji Mutoh's bastardizing Kings Road style, Pro Wrestling NOAH had yet to hit their stride, CMLL was in their pre Mistico-Perro Aguayo Jr. boom, Ring of Honor was just starting, and the British independent scene had yet to blow up. Now we have great pro wrestling in a variety of styles all over the world again.
Even back in the original FMW days, there were incredible hard fought matches mixed into the blood & Deathmatches. Not all Japanese wrasslin, company by company, is good or great. Just like the Murican companies.
4:12 jack wipe 😂
The state of pro wrestling is utter garbage, it's less about having the art of it being entertaining and everyone now just doing SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. I laugh until I'm blue in the face when people explain New Japan is different than WWE. I see them as the same product, New Japan just lets guys actually go out and have their own matches. For better or worse. Getting a "This is wrestling" chant after a series of arm drags is an indicator of how bad it is.
Bullet club are annoying.
If there was a time machine, and Kenny Omega went back to 1991, and showed up to the Smokey Mountain Wrestling office and said he wanted a try out...and showed what he could do, does anyone believe Cornette would not have signed him on the spot?
Brian W yeah, but he's not a dude who showed up to Smokey Mountain in 1991, he's a fuckface who wrestled a blowup doll.
Brian W...and a little girl. Threw a couple of hadoukens...
that doesnt change the fact that hes a good wrestler. thats pure ignorance to me.
Joe Eduardo Reyes_AFC I can't watch his shit without expecting a run-in by a little girl.
And the fact that he's talanted doesn't mean he didn't mock pro wrestling by being involved in parody matches either.
What was the point in talking about the knockouts and divas. He must hate women
No, he doesn’t hate women. The knockouts and divas divisions were terribly objectifying to women and they didn’t focus on the actual wrestling whatsoever. Thats why he doesn’t like those programs. It’s not because they’re just women. Grow up. 🤦♂️
And let’s not forget that Omega wrestled a child and was booked to lose.
WWE had a kid(refs kid) win a tag title not so long ago.
Except he wasn't booked to lose. dipshit
And whatever the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
"Fuck this fuckin guy"-Jim Cornette
Well Cornette, thanks for killing my excitement for this match. Jesus fucking Christ!
Cornette has done his fair share silly and questionable things in pro wrestling. The wrestling Ninja Turtle. Taking a legend like Bob Armstrong that was far past his prime and trying to convince fans he could whip guys 40 years his junior. Dixie Dynamite. Lol. Come on. Kenny Omega did TWO questionable comedy matches ten years ago. Jerry Lawler did a kiss my foot angle and Cornette loves him more than anyone. And i can guarantee Lawler has done some really silly gimmicks thru his career. And I'm a Jerry Lawler fan. Just saying that Cornette is being really hypocritical when it comes to guys like Kenny Omega, Kota Ibushi and Chuck Taylor. I can understand the hatred for Joey Ryan due to how over the top ridiculous the dick suplex is. But Cornette has promoted and been involved in a lot of this ilk as well throughout his career. If he were straight up like Lou Thesz was, who never participated in any silly gimmick I would give it to Cornette for at least being real, but when you bash one person for doing something silly, but support another wrestler, while also have participated in silly things yourself albeit minimually you are being a hypocrite.
Dave S I think it's not just omega just the crazy dives and things like that. It's not wrestling.
Jacob Schwantz I'm not trying to talk shit. But the crazy dives are planchas. Planchas are part of pro wrestling. Planchas come from the Lucha Libre style of pro wrestling. There are many different styles of pro wrestling and lucha is one. Now can too many dives be done in a match where they lose effect? Yes. I agree. But "crazy dives" or planchas have a place in pro wrestling.
Dave S i will say you're right about dive do have a place. What I should of said is too many dives. What i meant by crazy like doing a 720 dive jumping back up and doing 3 moves. That's what I meant and my fault.
Jacob Schwantz I hear you on that. I can't stand no selling either. If someone hits a 450 or a 630 senton that should be the ball game for the wrestler that took it. Plus the wrestler that did that dive should sell the pain of giving a dive that crucial like Rob Van Dam and Too Cold Scorpio would do. I'm a fan of the Young Bucks because I've watched them for a decade and I've seen them do great things in the ring. BUT.....I've also seen them do some dumbass things as well that irks the hell out of me. I started watching pro wrestling in 1985 when i was 4 years old. I'm from North Carolina and grew up on Jim Crockett Promotions. But in the late 80's i started ordering tapes of all the other territories and in the 1990's i started watching ECW, All Japan, New Japan, CMLL, AAA and all of the foreign stuff. Through the years I've watched pro wrestling as far back as The Gorgeous George, Verne Gagne early tv era of the late 1940's and early 1950's to the modern era from all over the world. I have a decent collection of All Japan Pro Wrestling from the 1970's to 2000 plus every where else. I just mentioned All Japan Pro Wrestling because i have over 1000 of their best matches downloaded. I'm a fan of great pro wrestling no matter the style. Whether it's Johnny Valentine vs Wahoo McDaniel from the Carolinas; Jerry Lawler vs Bill Dundee from Memphis; Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat in Jim Crockett Promotions and WCW; Dynamite Kid vs Tiger Mask from New Japan; Eddie Guerrero & Art Barr vs Octagon & El hijo del Santo from AAA; Perro Aguayo Jr vs Mistico from CMLL; Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada from All Japan; Bruiser Brody vs Abdullah the Butcher in WWC; Bret Hart vs Owen Hart in WWF; Dean Malenko vs Chris Jericho in WCW; The Heavenly Bodies vs The Fantastics in Smoky Mountain; Bryan Danielson vs Nigel McGuinness in ROH; Kevin Steen vs El Generico in PWG; The Revival vs Johnny Gargano & Tommasso Ciampa in NXT; Pete Dunne vs Travis Banks in PROGRESS; or Kenny Omega vs Kazuchika Okada in New Japan. Great pro wrestling is great pro wrestling, no matter the era or style. I just dig great pro wrestling. But i understand when guys making it look silly irks old school fans because I'm an old school fan too.
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omega and jericho have cut some of the best wrestling promos recently, njpw has had alot of the best matches the past year wrestling wise that haven't seen in any of the big brands in past few years. I notice aqlot of the time jim will say his view but always says back whenever its like jim wrestling has changed but omega and jericho are actually doing some old school promoting which you would think he would love being an old skool guy
I love Cornette, but sometimes he sounds like an out of touch old man, going on a "Back In My Day..." rant.
Jim I agree with moat of what you say but you don't advertise anything on t.v. or radio anymore you put it online no one buys stuff off tv now
Omega has a great mind for the business. Your eally think its just chris' idea. Kenny doesn't do the comic stuff. Hes a great talent.
@17:30 - 18:00 I totally agree with Jim, who in the ruck does the d¡(k spot? That shii is so annoying tbh, like and people wonder why the business is in the way it’s in now and yet they are ok with things like that happening. I’ve always agreed with Corny on this and also the whole like Young Bucks losing ti kids(though idc about them cause the only match I’ve “seen” of those was cause of one or 2 on the Wrestling with Wregret channel.
But there is one guy in AEW that I really like and his promos and I didn’t even know about him until watching the Rasslin podcast on Barstool with Brandon Walker, I think it’s MJF or something like that. O jag ent seen his work yet, which I’m about to look up some when i wake up. But man I love how he plays the character on the podcast, he seems to be a great talker and heel and I think if his work is any good, he will be a guy I will definitely be watching more and more of.
How can you have such a big grudge against Kenny Omega, about shit that happend several years ago? I respect Corny, but he is so wrong about Omega that it hurts my stomach. Omega is a great pro-wrestler who inside the ring barely does any "goofy shit" and dosen't need to do any of that, to get a crowd behind like half of the roster in the WWE or Impact.
I watched the whole Wrestle Kingdom 12 card last week and it was a roller coaster ride from beginning to end, without me being bored for a second and that's something i barely had in american wrestling for the last few years. New Japan is the best Wrestling Promotion in the world right now.
It's kind of a shame that Cornette basically boycotts everything associated with Omega due to some goofy indy stuff from the past, because by extension it means that he's boycotting NJPW. Cornette likely hasn't seen anything from NJPW outside Omega's first spectacular (but overhyped) match with Okada, and it's telling that he thinks NJPW is all about "clowns and jugglers" when, ironically, they're probably right up his alley in terms of seriousness and "simulated combat." Anything involving Naito, Okada, Tanahashi, Suzuki, etc. tend to lean towards stone-cold intensity with sprinkles of well-placed humor, and they can sell the drama and damage of fights like no one else today. But I don't think Cornette will realize that anytime soon. In any case, when it comes to Omega and anything involving NJPW, you can probably be sure Cornette's talking (angrily) out of his ass.
Half agree with cornette half disagree. I don't agree with his feelings on omega, omega is a top tier talent who almost always has a great match. But I agree with him on the young bucks. I have never seen a match with them that doesn't descend into a spot fest
Brian, tell Jim we need a Ballet Club t shirt.
I would recommend that Jim watch Omega vs Naito..
Or Omega v Okada 1-3, or Omega's G1 run.
51 minutes???
ECW actually copied FMW because FMW was around for several years before ECW/Heyman ever though about being "extreme"...
Kenny Omega is currently saving the wrestling world. Too bad Jim won't watch the product and just butches based on his bias.
he,s saving the wrestling world in front of audience of 500 ; )
Tyler Blakeney woah woah woah woah
Saving the wrestling world?! Lmaaaaaaaaoooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
@@guide3116 njpw. That is all
If he hates omega and the bucks and ibushi so much why the fuck does he talk about them in almost every interview ?
This is Cornette’s best rant
I would love to know Cornette’s opinion on Southpaw Wrestling.
Boyyyy how times have changed. 😂
the whole stuffed animal thing I guess is a slam on Takahashi and Daryl. The point of that is another way to show that Takahashi is a crazy person who treats stuffed animals like a real thing. Is it comedic? Somewhat but it also got big and added to Takahashi's character.
Like it or not, Corny, Kenny Omega puts butts in seats. They are pushing him because they have been in The United States and want to bring in North American talent along with British Talent or isn't Zack Sabre Jr, Will Osprey, or anyone else like Davey Boy Jr a good example of why New Japan is eating WWE for lunch.
Does Cornette ever have good thing to say about anyone or anything?
I feel the same way about Japanese wrestling these days. Haven't liked since the 90s. Now it's permeated so much into the American indie circuit over the last 15 years into this "pseudo strong style" bullshit where they beat each other up for real and it looks like shit and do all these meaningless high spots with no psychology that only serves to shorten their own careers for how severe the bumps are, it just fucking disgusts me. WWE is even guilty of it to an extent now with the majority of the main roster now loaded with the sub-six foot tall indie darlings going out there to do "video game wrestling" where they don't sell anything and worry more their choreographed acrobatics than portraying what is supposed to be a believable fight between two guys that hate each other.
He's right on the money about hard to see matches in All Japan. Probably the only place you'd see Bobo Brazil and Carlos Colon team with Abby as heels.
I think its ironic Corney keeps saying Jericho is going to have a match with a broomstick, when omegas match with a blow-up doll is the literal execution of that saying. Which means omega is talented...thats the point of it, to say someone who can do that is talented.
Omega sucks though.
For all you marks insisting that Omega is the best wrestler in the world and that Jim and I take Omega seriously now that all his joke wrestling is in the past; do you know that Omega dressed up and wrestled a match as Princess Jasmine for Halloween, which was a mere two months ago?
Do you know that you just keep commenting and talking out of your ass?
Kevin Miliandrovic how am I talking out of my ass? Did I hallucinate Kenny Omega dressed up as a Disney Princess in The Ring?
I've seen you in multiple comment threads now bringing up the same three points to justify your argument. Oh wow, a wrestler dressed up on Halloween. That's certainly not been done before. First off, his "joke wrestling" was in a promotion called DDT and that's what they do. That's what the management does. It's Japan. And he's a new wrestler that, how i think most new wrestlers would do, does what management asks to be in good standing with the company paying you. You're focusing your whole argument on 1) a gag for a Japanese wrestling company that does that sort of stuff because it's accepted there 2) a video with a girl he was training that was not even meant to go public and 3) that he dressed up for Halloween. In the meantime, you're ignoring the other 99.9% of his career that the rest of us have watched and seen to be known as the high caliber of talent he is. But seeing that you referred to it in your original comment as "Jim and I" like you two are best buds when he probably doesn't give two shits about you, I chalk it up to you just talk out of your ass.
Kevin Miliandrovic Princess. Jasmine. Princess... Jasmine...
Best Wrestler in the world?
Kevin Miliandrovic let's say I just had a frontal lobe lobotomy and forgot about all the wacky, zany shit Kenny Omega did before this year, while remembering he won the G1 in 2016.
Why is the winner of The G1 dressed-up as a Disney Princess for Halloween? What princess did Okada dress up as?
The problem with folks defending Omega is that they don't want wrestling to actually be a work. They don't feel it's necessary for Omega to actually try to suspend any of my disbelief.
If wrestling is supposed to be a work, shouldn't Omega try to, you know, actually work his audience into believing he's an actual badass, as opposed to just telling them so after interviews?
Omega is very talented. I just wish he took himself a bit more seriously, so that I, as a fan, can do the same.
Rowdy 1 How does he not take himself seriously?
Jason H. So let me get this straight; I'm supposed to think Omega is a badass, but he wrestles blowup dolls and little girls and dresses up as Princesses.
Would you think I was a badass if I was dressed as Princess Jasmine?
@@mrbadguysan if Jasmine had a shotgun yes I would.
@@mrbadguysan it depends.minoru suzuki is one of the most scariest guys you'll ever see in a ring.but he also do some goofy shir from Time to time. also, remember Brock party?
4:17 You don't talk about Daryl like that. He was ripped apart for our sins.
#RespectJimCornette TRULY A LEGEND!!!!!!!!!
Someone tell Corny that, in kayfabe, DDT is to wrestling what SNL is to acting.
Omega's a great athlete and an excellent wrestler but, honestly, he reminds me of Bret Hart, Flair, etc - his act is repetitive and I'VE SEEN IT now a dozen times. Match starts, he sells his leg like the last act of Camille, hits the knee spots he stole from Nakamura, does the same (admittedly) spectacular acrobatic spots. And then his finish, which is just plain SILLY. It makes me embarrassed for his opponents as they literally go for a "horsey-back" ride and sit there stone-faced WAITING FOR HIM TO DROP THEM. I guess I'm jaded.
And Cornette's right on this point - The New Japan product has been poisoned with American influence. Why bother to have a ref at all since they won't dq anyone? Virtually every guy has a set of moves that rarely vary like WWE. Rampant outside interference by the heels and the faces never bring back-up - while the announcers will (honest-to-god) speak of the face as being a "student of the game". The belts are just about as worthless as WWE belts - they change so often they mean NOTHING and there are too many of them. No wrestling move is so devastating that your a-hole opponent can't pop right up and "no sell" it. 87 finishes and kick-outs.
Maybe this WWE influence saved New Japan. I dunno, I stopped watching American wrestling when Benoit killed his family and my Japan tape source dried up a few years before that. I don't know the economics of Japanese wrestling, but obviously it's good now (and I believe, like WWE, they have no serious competition). I watch New Japan regularly (for the moment), but my patience is being tested. The only guys I truly enjoy are Ishii, Naito & Kushida - Ishii because his shit is believable, Naito for his remarkable character (and how over it is) and Kushida for his exceptional talent and how he exudes determination and grittiness.
Jim Cornette has now gone 100% old man yells at cloud.
I always honestly thought the heat between Cornette and Omega was somewhat of a work. But I really don't know. I think deep down he likes Omega.
ur prob right. and i think jim cornette just doesnt want to admit when he is wrong, and dont forget hes a worker and lives him gimmick so he will stick to it. its just like cutting a promo
Talks about the hardcore ECW stuff being pure crap then minutes later praises Abdullah stabbing people and bleeding all over the place back in the day. He praises someone like Abdullah because he was around during Cornette's time but if Abdullah had just started out today doing the exact same thing he was then Cornette would call him an embarrassment of the business cause he is doing that hardcore shit. Cornette's opinion can be summed up easily... Is it the exact same thing I did in the 70's if yes it's great if not it's crap with possible exception of if someone involved has worked with Cornette in the past and didn't piss him off. He thinks people listen to him because they want to hear his expert opinion when really I'm willing to bet most are like me listen to laugh at him just like ESPN was laughing at that Home Alone in an indy promotion that he thinks is an example of people who are killing the business and deserve to die in front of their family.
Ninja Turtle in a box!
I get a slight twitch whenever I hear Cornette slams Omega because Omega's name is so goofy that it would fit in with Cornette's era which with rose tints off was extremely goofy
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