The crazy thing about JF is even in the short amount of time that we saw him play for the Steelers he improved so much from his time in Chicago, yeah there were still some little hiccups but overall the offense was trending in a good direction with Fields
Averaging less than 20 points a game doesn't sound like the greatest of trends, but okay. Sure. The defense also allowed an average of less than 10 points in every game fields won, and 20+ when he lost, but EVERY game russ played, the defense allowed an average of 24+ points
@@sethnelson8698the most important game against the Bengals they held a high scoring offense to 19 and Russ went 5 straight 17 or less… that W could have drew Houston instead of Ravens who might win it all
@@sethnelson8698 yes. Fields was in the top 3 for Time of possession. Time of possession = lower score for opposing offenses. There were countless TDs called back for Oline penalties or dropped by GP
Yes the offense avg less points with fields but the time of possession was better and that keeps the defense fresh and is why they played better .Justin rarely goes 3 and out and creates 1st down with his legs
Big Ben was an amazing qb, there's one thing that you always had is if we had a last drive you had a good chance that Ben would take us to victory. Big Ben will always be my number 1 qb. 18 years he was a beast. Fields is our best chance he has all the skilled needed.
@@yutoob6181💯 Fields is the prototype of where the NFL is going. 6’4” 230 and 99 speed, 97 arm. The OCs and game just hasn’t caught up to him yet. Once he has weapons and is utilized correctly then he’s going to explode. People have seen flashes of it where he literally stunned entire NFL teams by himself. He already has cleats in Canton and his numbers track with with Josh Allen’s early career, slightly lower but gaining ground. Just get him in space and air raid! He can easily put up historic numbers.
Ben definitely had gas left in the tank. He was still having good seasons with no o-line, no run game and no legit O.C. No QB on the roster had even a little chance through Canadas whole tenure. Ben still carried all those deficiencies and got all the blame. Crazy
It's pretty crazy how when Fields was in we were scoring TDs but not a lot of passing yards and when Russ went in the offense immediately had a problem scoring TDs but was moving the ball. Ill take TDs over yards anyday
Sir we scored 37 points in his first game back, what are you talking about?. And fields scores mostly came from within their opponents 50 yard lines. He was hardly ever able to drive down the field. The problem when russ was in was that a lot of penalties called back plays that were touchdowns. The giants game was that same situation, russ had 2 touchdowns called back and should have had a 3rd but Jefferson and russ had some miscommunication on the route and russ missed him.
@@sethnelson8698 Fields scored 32 the week prior. Your point was just empty smoke. Fields was in the top 3 in the NFL for time of possession. Many drives did stall. From Oline penalties. Fields moved the ball quite a lot in order to be top 3 in NFL.
You think Herbert is elite but Russ was wayyyyy better in his playoff game than Herbert was. Give the man some weapons and/or a run game and things are really going to open up. I definitely don’t think you can put the offense’s side all on him or the team’s regression in general. We collapsed in 2020, our offense fell apart and got completely embarrassed by the Browns in the playoffs and you weren’t calling for Ben’s head. In fact you went into 2021 calling him a top 3 QB. Russ right now is way less limited than 2020/2021 Ben.
I'm hoping the Skylar Thompson pick up is a sign were .owing towards more mobile qb room for continuity through the position. So I hope Fields gets his shot
deke logic: russ through 6 games 321 YPG 1.6 TDs .3 INTs. man we give this guy a full season he has 5,457 yards 27 TDs and 5 INTs and were legit contenders.
%100 agree with you Russ take on this one.. Russ is getting older and I don’t see him getting back to the Elite form.. Plus wasting time trying to see if Russ will get back is wasting time whe we could be seeing if Justin could get there
I don't know why no one is talking about the fact Russell isn't going to get a big $ contract and neither is Fields. So we could literally bring them both back on a budget. The other and more important topic is tomlins strangle hold on the offense and defense. Tomlin demanded we go run heavy against the Bengals. That's all you need to know. If you're looking for a reason why the offense fell off look no further than "mediocre mike".
Problem was lazy Kevin Colbert. His solution: draft Kenny Pickett on way out. Before, O-line was glaring weakness. Drafted Kendrick Green & gave big money to never been Chuks Okorafor. During Killer B years when secondary was biggest weakness. Colbert kept drafting 4th/5th Rd and signing 2nd/3rd stringers in FA to be starting CBs. Khan Artist already rebuilt O-line ... drafted Frazier, McCormick, Fautanu, Jones, signed Seumalo. Khan would've rebuilt secondary and won at least 2 SBs in Killer B years. Lack of QB successor plan is bc of lazy Kevin Colbert, just going thru the motions as he coasted into retirement.
And to be fair to Russ and/or Fields the o-line play and running game weren’t consistent this year either. Neither was the receiving crew. So I don’t put all the blame on them. I don’t think they’re the answer though. Gotta fix that o-line. I think our biggest loss of the last decade was Mike Munchak.
13:08 Arthur smith like mobile qbs because he can run more unique plays like he did for tannehill… I mean he had Henry but if you go watch it was a lot of run options where he had choice to keep it or give it to Henry with Russ he couldn’t do that
Fields played with Smith and there was not much unique plays. Didn’t even attempt them as much. They could’ve tried to do crazy trick fake run plays like Lamar does but they didn’t.
Deke. You can't address the QB position without improving the O-line. It's true for the Steelers, it's true for all teams playing football. It ALL begins and ends there. You can have the best QB in the league but if the O-line is inconsistent in run and pass blocking (like ours is), you'll always be behind the chains.... you'll have your QB running for their life, getting sacked, forced to throw it away, or throwing inaccurate passes. This isn't a "what comes first the chicken or the egg" situation here. Too many times...WAY too many times Wilson didn't have time to go through his progressions and had to throw it away or take a sack. Also...another big problem the Steelers have that isn't discussed is the Steeler Wide Receivers don't work hard enough to get separation. I see this in every game. Look at the game tape. I see other teams' wide receivers get open far, far more often than the Steelers WR. That has to be addressed as much as the O-line problems. If you can't get separation a HOF QB is going to struggle. I predicted a disappointing end to the Steelers season back in the beginning if you read any of the many comments I posted here. I saw these glaring issues in the very beginning like a train about to hit a stalled car on the train tracks. Making the QB position a high priority without addressing the other issues I've outlined here first is like spending money on an expensive paint job for your car when the engine is crap.
Deke, Let's not forget in 2018 Lamar. Jackson got drafted the last pic. Who did we pick ? Terrell Edmonds!!! We held on to #7 too long We don't have. It's a quarterback that can compete with these guys today. This is why we are struggling right now.
I don't get what the problem is with starting wilson for a second season. If they start fields. The steelers will have started 5 quarterbacks in the past 2 YEARS!!!!! WHY NOT GIVE RUSS A SECOND SEASON. Give him a better offensive line. It was inconsistent at best and atrocious at worst. Get a second receiver, I'm sure tee Higgins would love to beat up on his old team. Hell, Garret wilson would be cool too. And if Arthur smith wants justin, he can leave and take him with him. Go screw up the jets or something for all I care
@@sethnelson8698so the 5 in a row wasn’t a sign, no team in NFL history ever went into the playoffs losing 4 straight… no excuse for losing to Bengals when defense held them to 19 that would have drew Houston instead of Ravens
@ I agree. Fans just want to scapegoat someone so the 36 yo QB is the easy target If they’re not getting a star young QB, or trading for a franchise QB, then I don’t see a problem bringing Russ back for cheap and with better weapons
Along with a quarterback, we need to adapt with the rest of the NFL. I went back and watched big Ben’s rookie season and this time paid particular attention to when plays broke down and he started slinging it throwing it all over the place. Ken wisenhunt saw big Ben’s talent and started calling more throwing plays. Cowher was pissed off and wanted to stick to the run. This drove Cowher crazy because Ben was going off script. We were winning because Ben was throwing the ball just like today’s NFL and in the line with his talents. When a play would break down and Ben would start playing street ball that’s when we were at our best and winning.. Something we see Lamar and Patrick Mahomes doing today, playing street ball that reminds me of Ben. Go back and watch Ben’s rookie season and pay attention to how many times we throw the ball, whether ken called it or the play broke down and Ben just slung it. I got all of this from watching Ben’s podcast with Cowher and watching Ben’s rookie season again, I put two and two together. It explains a lot.
Justin Fields had 6 fumbles and only lost 1in those 6 games. He got extremely fortunate with turnovers. The offense wasn’t clicking. If he was playing like a top 12 QB, you wouldn’t have ever seen Wilson
A. Smith is licking his chops to have JF for another season. Dude is going to walk into camp with 2 playbooks. 1 for Justin and the other for whomever else. For an OC and im talking numerous OC's to get him would make the job easier. If JF doesnt stay in Pitt, he'll be a Giant with Dabol who developed J.Allen and J. Hurts. Smith knows he can use JF better than Russ and in better schemes to utilize all his given attributes.
Part of the current QB problem the Steelers have is because they held onto big ben way too long. They should have moved from Ben about 2 or 3 years earlier. Ben was still good but we weren't winning a SB with him
Russ was just fine, he did what he could do while running for his life and no rb support. Wasn’t he like 18tds and 5int 96 rating in 11 games while missing his only wr for a few games?
It wasn’t all on Russ, but if you are a veteran and not winning playoff games then the future might as well get the experience… Russ biggest mistake was losing to the Bengals because defense held them to 19 and that W could have drew Houston instead of Ravens who might win it all
You wanna dog? A leader, a guy with upside?? ....TANK...FOR...ARCH. need to build this roster and be patient. Steelers need to put themselves in position to to take a swing at him potentially in 2026 or 2027. Has the frame, Strong arm, accurate, processes the fieldvwell, hesca DAWG shows leadership and emotion. Also his bloodline, hes taught the game from a different perspective, hes a manning. We can't read the future but he has high upside. Talking about we need a guy but nobody wants to do what's necessary to be in position to get one. We wasted tj and cam and minkah. Time to regroup and rebuild the right way
I love Big Ben as much as the next guy but the reality is we held on to Ben well past his time. If we’re talking sabotage it was a double whammy because Ben did not want to teach Mason anything when we drafted him. Not saying Mason would’ve been all works but I think as good as Ben was it surely wouldn’t have hurt him.
...lastly....as many experts have noted, Fields doesn't read defenses very well, he doesn't see the field very well, and misses open receivers. He doesn't have the football intelligence Wilson has. Give Wilson a break. With an inconsistent O-line and receivers that don't work hard enough to get open, and add to the fact he only played 11 games in a new system.
Self sabotage when ur qb and offensive coordinator aren't on the same page. Especially when the guy u wants gets replaced and immediately starts lighting up the score bored
The last five team the Stellers lost are currently Super Bowl contenders. Also steelers have the second highest score in playoffs teams that lost...they still looked better than MOST of the better teams...14 score
Obviously, our opps would want wilson to come back and start. Hes a sack machine after our o line crumbles like a cheap stroller. Fields can scramble, run AND PASS! I just don't understand why people choose wad-up wilson over fields. Id honestly rather watch Fields get sacked all day over wilson. Hes 25 years old amd ambitious, LET THE BOY MAKE PLAYS.
QB is not the issue here. We should re-sign both Justin and Russ but let Pickens and Najee walk. I’m all for keeping both as a secondary option but they’re not at the WR1 and RB1 caliber
Someone please give Arthur Smith a HC job so he can take Patterson, the TE from Tenn and that pitch ish with him. His play calling sucks and you see what he done to Bijan in ATL.
Would like to see Steelers draft Jaxson Dart in 3rd or 4 th round, we need to keeping looking till we find one.Worth a shot. Sign Fields to a 1 year prove it deal.
Big Ben also could have helped himself also ! As he got older he didn’t do the things he needed to be in the best shape . He relied too much on thinking he could be old Ben too much. If he would have been more all in during the offseason it might of ended differently for him. Yes they could have helped him more also !
Steelers LITERALLY have no trusted targets and we think we are improving?! Trade Pickens Trade Calvin Austin Trade Van Jefferson Trade Mike Williams Trade Patrick Queen (I see why the ravens gave him to us) Give Russ another season but let Fields get more reps
Definitely did sabotage Ben’s last year. Where is his center at? Where is his OC at? Where’s his receivers at?.. I think if we played our cards right we could’ve had Ben ab n bell until a year ago
Let's say this Canada and smith calls r a like and Harris ain't a good RB and now r 0 line is trash build a team where Russell can pass cuz it's a passing game so trade justin and trade GP and bro teams seen r game plans and we put r D in bad spots from r run run pass and I like him to be here for 3 more years and draft manning next year and Russell is a winner and look what he had a D and a whole team bro can we talk about it as facts come on
Start fields. keep him all season. If it works, great. If it doesn't, also great, we have our "losing season" everyone is clamoring for to get a top draft pick.
Its crazy that i had Justin fields back whenever he was a rookie in madden but he actually played for the team came full circle for me as a steelers fan
this is the second time in a few days Deke calling 7 a top five of all time.. stop it!! maybe top 150 or 200 of all time.. And it was time for him to go, and i am just as big of a fan as you are... Deke losing his mind this last week
This dudes is all over the place and ALL wrong... If the Steelers could have Shaduer or Cam they will be better than Fields on day ... How did this dude get a Pod cast?
Russ should get another season based on how well he played the first 7 weeks, but he won't. He was injured in Seattle his last year, injured in Denver his first year. Outside of that he's been a good QB, but for both sides I think he should find another team. The last 5 weeks are not on him but the narrative is completely against him right now. Best for him to leave and go to a better offense. Arthur Smith is the problem and that will reveal itself.
Wow, that was an ignorant ass statement! The guy who got traded from the team that drafted him and he had the most success with, AKA WON A SUPERBOWL, then ends up with the Broncos on a mega deal at the time and the franchise literally pays him 30 million $ to leave, Then he lands in the Burgh and well you watched what we all watched and your conclusion is its everything else NOT Russ 😁😆😅🤣😂 do you bang your head against the wall often? Or are you just dense?
@@thefreeone517everything he said was literally true, wtf you talking about 😂. Arthur smith has been inconsistent as hell, the run game has become non existent, and the defense allowed more the 24 points a game.
All the L’s were not on him but the Bengals L was on him, all you have to do is score 20 and Steelers play Houston instead of Ravens first game… Ravens might win it all Houston not
@@sethnelson8698 all of Russ passes go out of bounds. He’s slow old and can’t read defenses so he holds the ball too long and takes way too many sacks. And he thinks he’s 21 still which is corny. He’d make a great cheerleader but qb??! Hell no
All QB’s need a good O-line, good receivers and good running backs on the offense. No QB can win a Super Bowl without that. 😂You can have an elite QB, but if he isn’t surrounded by great players….your not winning a Super Bowl. Justin only played 6 games. The play calling was conservative. This isn’t a one man show. Give Justin two good receivers and another good running back open up the playbook and play to WIN and not just to “not lose”. You won’t know if Justin is “elite” or not until he gets a real chance, not just 6 games. They need to turn him loose, instead of holding him back.
Ha ha. D played bad because the offense couldn’t sustain drives and they were on the field the whole game. Go look at time of possession over that stretch. Unbelievable lack of sense.
The crazy thing about JF is even in the short amount of time that we saw him play for the Steelers he improved so much from his time in Chicago, yeah there were still some little hiccups but overall the offense was trending in a good direction with Fields
Averaging less than 20 points a game doesn't sound like the greatest of trends, but okay. Sure. The defense also allowed an average of less than 10 points in every game fields won, and 20+ when he lost, but EVERY game russ played, the defense allowed an average of 24+ points
@@sethnelson8698the most important game against the Bengals they held a high scoring offense to 19 and Russ went 5 straight 17 or less… that W could have drew Houston instead of Ravens who might win it all
@@sethnelson8698 yes. Fields was in the top 3 for Time of possession. Time of possession = lower score for opposing offenses. There were countless TDs called back for Oline penalties or dropped by GP
Yes the offense avg less points with fields but the time of possession was better and that keeps the defense fresh and is why they played better .Justin rarely goes 3 and out and creates 1st down with his legs
@sethnelson8698 he was playing with an injured oline and if we get Emeka he'll be way better
Sam Darnold isn't an elite QB, he just had a great season so Justin could have the same result next season with the right personnel.
%100 agree
And what did that great season get them the same thing steelers got
Not looking for a “great season” we want closer to the Super Bowl. If that means 3 rebuild years, so be it.
@PaintPillow You still have to make changes like bringing better personnel and it shouldn't take three years.
@KyRee-t9d 14- 3 would've won the division
Give Fields a full offseason as the QB1 and tailor the playbook for his abilities!
Hahahaha.
These offseason hopes are way more exciting than that playoff game.
Big Ben was an amazing qb, there's one thing that you always had is if we had a last drive you had a good chance that Ben would take us to victory. Big Ben will always be my number 1 qb. 18 years he was a beast. Fields is our best chance he has all the skilled needed.
He was trash his last 3-4 years
@@oskinooa lol
@@oskinooa he had no line or running game please research before you comment
Wild how young Fields is.
He’s one year older than Jayden Daniels
@@yutoob6181💯 Fields is the prototype of where the NFL is going. 6’4” 230 and 99 speed, 97 arm. The OCs and game just hasn’t caught up to him yet. Once he has weapons and is utilized correctly then he’s going to explode. People have seen flashes of it where he literally stunned entire NFL teams by himself. He already has cleats in Canton and his numbers track with with Josh Allen’s early career, slightly lower but gaining ground. Just get him in space and air raid! He can easily put up historic numbers.
Ben definitely had gas left in the tank. He was still having good seasons with no o-line, no run game and no legit O.C. No QB on the roster had even a little chance through Canadas whole tenure. Ben still carried all those deficiencies and got all the blame. Crazy
Yes!! Exactly!!
Good point Deke, ask D coordinators who would they rather prepare for between JF and Russ
Ben had 55 TDs his final two years. Mahomes had 57 the past two. Ben was still doing great.
Don't worry, Art is all over it...😂
Yeah, he has his old man johnson up an 18 year old cheerleader.
It's pretty crazy how when Fields was in we were scoring TDs but not a lot of passing yards and when Russ went in the offense immediately had a problem scoring TDs but was moving the ball. Ill take TDs over yards anyday
Sir we scored 37 points in his first game back, what are you talking about?. And fields scores mostly came from within their opponents 50 yard lines. He was hardly ever able to drive down the field. The problem when russ was in was that a lot of penalties called back plays that were touchdowns. The giants game was that same situation, russ had 2 touchdowns called back and should have had a 3rd but Jefferson and russ had some miscommunication on the route and russ missed him.
@@sethnelson8698what about the Pickens fumble in the red zone against the Colts and the defense on the last drive against the Cowboys?
Was such a weird predicament to be in. Russ was better driving, but fields was far better in the redzone
It also depends on who we play, there's alot of context missing from this comment.
@@sethnelson8698 Fields scored 32 the week prior. Your point was just empty smoke. Fields was in the top 3 in the NFL for time of possession. Many drives did stall. From Oline penalties. Fields moved the ball quite a lot in order to be top 3 in NFL.
Please sign and play Fields so we can go 6-11 get a decent draft position and shut everybody the hell up about it.
Great points sir
You think Herbert is elite but Russ was wayyyyy better in his playoff game than Herbert was. Give the man some weapons and/or a run game and things are really going to open up. I definitely don’t think you can put the offense’s side all on him or the team’s regression in general. We collapsed in 2020, our offense fell apart and got completely embarrassed by the Browns in the playoffs and you weren’t calling for Ben’s head. In fact you went into 2021 calling him a top 3 QB. Russ right now is way less limited than 2020/2021 Ben.
It used to take more than a year for a qb to adjust to a offense, its the run run pass
Best take on the internet
I'm hoping the Skylar Thompson pick up is a sign were .owing towards more mobile qb room for continuity through the position. So I hope Fields gets his shot
At the very least this offense will be entertaining to watch 👍👍
deke logic: russ through 6 games 321 YPG 1.6 TDs .3 INTs. man we give this guy a full season he has 5,457 yards 27 TDs and 5 INTs and were legit contenders.
%100 agree with you Russ take on this one.. Russ is getting older and I don’t see him getting back to the Elite form.. Plus wasting time trying to see if Russ will get back is wasting time whe we could be seeing if Justin could get there
I don't know why no one is talking about the fact Russell isn't going to get a big $ contract and neither is Fields. So we could literally bring them both back on a budget. The other and more important topic is tomlins strangle hold on the offense and defense. Tomlin demanded we go run heavy against the Bengals. That's all you need to know. If you're looking for a reason why the offense fell off look no further than "mediocre mike".
We’re gonna be ok Deke. lol
O line coach must go
Need a New DC,WR, & OL coach 🤷🏿♂️🤝🏿💯
Problem was lazy Kevin Colbert. His solution: draft Kenny Pickett on way out.
Before, O-line was glaring weakness.
Drafted Kendrick Green & gave big money to never been Chuks Okorafor.
During Killer B years when secondary was biggest weakness.
Colbert kept drafting 4th/5th Rd and signing 2nd/3rd stringers in FA to be starting CBs.
Khan Artist already rebuilt O-line ... drafted Frazier, McCormick, Fautanu, Jones, signed Seumalo.
Khan would've rebuilt secondary and won at least 2 SBs in Killer B years.
Lack of QB successor plan is bc of lazy Kevin Colbert, just going thru the motions as he coasted into retirement.
He's been gone let it go this is tomlins mess has been for a very long time.
Yea cause also Colbert was here 😂 every offseason same BS don’t do nothing just draft Colbert was a problem too
Stop using the word “elite” too. This is a team game. Not a one man show.
Let’s not forget about Austin, he needs to go!!
Wait,… so you’re saying having an elite QB is important??? 🤔
Wow - Mind Blown!!!
🤣😂🤣
Thanks for your contribution. Nobody is forcing you to tune in.
Big Ben was not elite at the end, he was just ok
All of those toss sweeps definitely helped us 🤔
And to be fair to Russ and/or Fields the o-line play and running game weren’t consistent this year either. Neither was the receiving crew. So I don’t put all the blame on them. I don’t think they’re the answer though. Gotta fix that o-line. I think our biggest loss of the last decade was Mike Munchak.
13:08 Arthur smith like mobile qbs because he can run more unique plays like he did for tannehill… I mean he had Henry but if you go watch it was a lot of run options where he had choice to keep it or give it to Henry with Russ he couldn’t do that
Well... Russ doesn't have DERRICK HENRY
@@sethnelson8698Russ doesn’t threaten the defense to run these days even if he had Henry they wouldn’t be fooled, lol
Fields played with Smith and there was not much unique plays. Didn’t even attempt them as much. They could’ve tried to do crazy trick fake run plays like Lamar does but they didn’t.
24:13 They'd want us to sign Deshaun Watson to a $250 million fully guaranteed contract...
Deke, you're funny , man. Keep it up
We need another WR
We need a whole new offense
We NEED 2 really 1 intermediate guy 1 a 6 footer plus type big guy
The only problem was not drafting some to be behind Ben for 1-2 years
They did Mason Rudolph
Arther Smith is average, we need a QB guru. We need a solid pass offense guy
Deke. You can't address the QB position without improving the O-line. It's true for the Steelers, it's true for all teams playing football. It ALL begins and ends there. You can have the best QB in the league but if the O-line is inconsistent in run and pass blocking (like ours is), you'll always be behind the chains.... you'll have your QB running for their life, getting sacked, forced to throw it away, or throwing inaccurate passes. This isn't a "what comes first the chicken or the egg" situation here. Too many times...WAY too many times Wilson didn't have time to go through his progressions and had to throw it away or take a sack. Also...another big problem the Steelers have that isn't discussed is the Steeler Wide Receivers don't work hard enough to get separation. I see this in every game. Look at the game tape. I see other teams' wide receivers get open far, far more often than the Steelers WR. That has to be addressed as much as the O-line problems. If you can't get separation a HOF QB is going to struggle. I predicted a disappointing end to the Steelers season back in the beginning if you read any of the many comments I posted here. I saw these glaring issues in the very beginning like a train about to hit a stalled car on the train tracks. Making the QB position a high priority without addressing the other issues I've outlined here first is like spending money on an expensive paint job for your car when the engine is crap.
Deke, Let's not forget in 2018 Lamar. Jackson got drafted the last pic. Who did we pick ? Terrell Edmonds!!! We held on to #7 too long
We don't have.
It's a quarterback that can compete with these guys today.
This is why we are struggling right now.
Acting like qb was the problem is laughable. Russ played fine the DEFENSE GAVE UP 300 YARDS RUSHING.
Russ should have scored 20 in the Bengals game and Steelers get Houston instead of the team that could win it all in the first round
Where’s Tannehill?
Waiting on that Flacco call
Heck yeah, can’t wait for a 9-8 season with Fields starting, then for the fanbase to be saying the exact same things end of next season
I don't get what the problem is with starting wilson for a second season. If they start fields. The steelers will have started 5 quarterbacks in the past 2 YEARS!!!!! WHY NOT GIVE RUSS A SECOND SEASON. Give him a better offensive line. It was inconsistent at best and atrocious at worst. Get a second receiver, I'm sure tee Higgins would love to beat up on his old team. Hell, Garret wilson would be cool too. And if Arthur smith wants justin, he can leave and take him with him. Go screw up the jets or something for all I care
@@sethnelson8698so the 5 in a row wasn’t a sign, no team in NFL history ever went into the playoffs losing 4 straight… no excuse for losing to Bengals when defense held them to 19 that would have drew Houston instead of Ravens
@ I agree. Fans just want to scapegoat someone so the 36 yo QB is the easy target
If they’re not getting a star young QB, or trading for a franchise QB, then I don’t see a problem bringing Russ back for cheap and with better weapons
Along with a quarterback, we need to adapt with the rest of the NFL. I went back and watched big Ben’s rookie season and this time paid particular attention to when plays broke down and he started slinging it throwing it all over the place. Ken wisenhunt saw big Ben’s talent and started calling more throwing plays. Cowher was pissed off and wanted to stick to the run. This drove Cowher crazy because Ben was going off script. We were winning because Ben was throwing the ball just like today’s NFL and in the line with his talents. When a play would break down and Ben would start playing street ball that’s when we were at our best and winning.. Something we see Lamar and Patrick Mahomes doing today, playing street ball that reminds me of Ben.
Go back and watch Ben’s rookie season and pay attention to how many times we throw the ball, whether ken called it or the play broke down and Ben just slung it. I got all of this from watching Ben’s podcast with Cowher and watching Ben’s rookie season again, I put two and two together. It explains a lot.
Backyard football
YES... BETTER OLINE
Ben was done, Jack! We fucked up hanging onto him as long as we did.
I thought the Steelers would take a page out the Ravens book and go all in with Justin Fields.
Justin Fields had 6 fumbles and only lost 1in those 6 games. He got extremely fortunate with turnovers. The offense wasn’t clicking. If he was playing like a top 12 QB, you wouldn’t have ever seen Wilson
Russ was cookin until he wasn’t, like someone cut the stove off
Someone forgot to pay the gas bill lmao
Cookin against the New York teams, lol
Fields never even turned the stove on
Eagles totally exposed them everybody just copied the tape
Take Tomlin hands off the offense and personal and schemes and see what he can do
A. Smith is licking his chops to have JF for another season. Dude is going to walk into camp with 2 playbooks. 1 for Justin and the other for whomever else. For an OC and im talking numerous OC's to get him would make the job easier. If JF doesnt stay in Pitt, he'll be a Giant with Dabol who developed J.Allen and J. Hurts. Smith knows he can use JF better than Russ and in better schemes to utilize all his given attributes.
JF and Nabers
Russell Wilson threw more touchdown passes his last year in Denver than Pittsburgh threw in two seasons.. 🤔
Naw we should of drafted Hurts wen we drafted claypoole
Jackson instead of Edmunds
Thx Kevin Colbert
Part of the current QB problem the Steelers have is because they held onto big ben way too long. They should have moved from Ben about 2 or 3 years earlier. Ben was still good but we weren't winning a SB with him
Russ was just fine, he did what he could do while running for his life and no rb support. Wasn’t he like 18tds and 5int 96 rating in 11 games while missing his only wr for a few games?
His stats alright but eye test says he’s not it
Bro, just stop. If you think you can win in 2025 without utilizing the middle of the field you’re fucking wrong. Be real with yourself dude
It wasn’t all on Russ, but if you are a veteran and not winning playoff games then the future might as well get the experience… Russ biggest mistake was losing to the Bengals because defense held them to 19 and that W could have drew Houston instead of Ravens who might win it all
Look at Flacco’s career stats and wins. The guy is better than you think
You wanna dog? A leader, a guy with upside?? ....TANK...FOR...ARCH. need to build this roster and be patient. Steelers need to put themselves in position to to take a swing at him potentially in 2026 or 2027. Has the frame, Strong arm, accurate, processes the fieldvwell, hesca DAWG shows leadership and emotion. Also his bloodline, hes taught the game from a different perspective, hes a manning. We can't read the future but he has high upside. Talking about we need a guy but nobody wants to do what's necessary to be in position to get one. We wasted tj and cam and minkah. Time to regroup and rebuild the right way
Yall are gonna be maaaaaaaaddddd!
I love Big Ben as much as the next guy but the reality is we held on to Ben well past his time. If we’re talking sabotage it was a double whammy because Ben did not want to teach Mason anything when we drafted him. Not saying Mason would’ve been all works but I think as good as Ben was it surely wouldn’t have hurt him.
...lastly....as many experts have noted, Fields doesn't read defenses very well, he doesn't see the field very well, and misses open receivers. He doesn't have the football intelligence Wilson has. Give Wilson a break. With an inconsistent O-line and receivers that don't work hard enough to get open, and add to the fact he only played 11 games in a new system.
Self sabotage when ur qb and offensive coordinator aren't on the same page. Especially when the guy u wants gets replaced and immediately starts lighting up the score bored
You look like you didn't play no type of football you bought your lunch and offered people your lunch you can't make this up😢😂😂😂
The last five team the Stellers lost are currently Super Bowl contenders. Also steelers have the second highest score in playoffs teams that lost...they still looked better than MOST of the better teams...14 score
Obviously, our opps would want wilson to come back and start. Hes a sack machine after our o line crumbles like a cheap stroller. Fields can scramble, run AND PASS! I just don't understand why people choose wad-up wilson over fields. Id honestly rather watch Fields get sacked all day over wilson. Hes 25 years old amd ambitious, LET THE BOY MAKE PLAYS.
QB is not the issue here. We should re-sign both Justin and Russ but let Pickens and Najee walk. I’m all for keeping both as a secondary option but they’re not at the WR1 and RB1 caliber
RUSS HAD NOBODY TO PASS THE BALL TO
He had pat most games wide open but couldn’t see him
bruh, literally, the last play of the game against the Bengals and first play against the Ravens were throws to Pat. He dropped them both...
@ ohhh 2 drops the whole season if you throw the ball to him more he be more ready
If that’s true for Russ then it’s the same for both of them
smith and o line is ass
Someone please give Arthur Smith a HC job so he can take Patterson, the TE from Tenn and that pitch ish with him. His play calling sucks and you see what he done to Bijan in ATL.
Would like to see Steelers draft Jaxson Dart in 3rd or 4 th round, we need to keeping looking till we find one.Worth a shot. Sign Fields to a 1 year prove it deal.
Big Ben also could have helped himself also ! As he got older he didn’t do the things he needed to be in the best shape . He relied too much on thinking he could be old Ben too much. If he would have been more all in during the offseason it might of ended differently for him. Yes they could have helped him more also !
Steelers LITERALLY have no trusted targets and we think we are improving?!
Trade Pickens
Trade Calvin Austin
Trade Van Jefferson
Trade Mike Williams
Trade Patrick Queen (I see why the ravens gave him to us)
Give Russ another season but let Fields get more reps
Definitely did sabotage Ben’s last year. Where is his center at? Where is his OC at? Where’s his receivers at?.. I think if we played our cards right we could’ve had Ben ab n bell until a year ago
You’re the same guy who thought Kenny was the one lol
He doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about
Let's say this Canada and smith calls r a like and Harris ain't a good RB and now r 0 line is trash build a team where Russell can pass cuz it's a passing game so trade justin and trade GP and bro teams seen r game plans and we put r D in bad spots from r run run pass and I like him to be here for 3 more years and draft manning next year and Russell is a winner and look what he had a D and a whole team bro can we talk about it as facts come on
Start fields. keep him all season. If it works, great. If it doesn't, also great, we have our "losing season" everyone is clamoring for to get a top draft pick.
sanders is more hype than substance.
Cuz r OC guy is trash fire him I want him to pass the ball 30+ a game
R hole team was trash so why we cutting on Russell justin I talk shit on him draft a 0 line and a QB
The last 4 years you're referring to, he had bad offensive lines.
Its crazy that i had Justin fields back whenever he was a rookie in madden but he actually played for the team came full circle for me as a steelers fan
this is the second time in a few days Deke calling 7 a top five of all time.. stop it!! maybe top 150 or 200 of all time.. And it was time for him to go, and i am just as big of a fan as you are... Deke losing his mind this last week
THEY GOT GOOD OLINES
Ben should still be here
I'm telling y'all, it's sabotage! - Bestie Boys
MASON WAS OK
Is chase claypool even still in the league?
Doubt he’s even still in the country
Joe flacko was a good qb,
What in the blue heck is a superboow?
Need Oline bad and Tomlin needs to please stop moving lineman from the position they play and a receiver let Najee go get a rb in the draft
Russ can't even move out there. He's to clunky now that he's older. Holds the ball to long and can't run=to many sacks and turnovers
Ben should have been retired that's why we having problems now
This dudes is all over the place and ALL wrong... If the Steelers could have Shaduer or Cam they will be better than Fields on day ... How did this dude get a Pod cast?
I am glad these guy is not the GM.
Russ should get another season based on how well he played the first 7 weeks, but he won't. He was injured in Seattle his last year, injured in Denver his first year. Outside of that he's been a good QB, but for both sides I think he should find another team. The last 5 weeks are not on him but the narrative is completely against him right now. Best for him to leave and go to a better offense. Arthur Smith is the problem and that will reveal itself.
Wow, that was an ignorant ass statement! The guy who got traded from the team that drafted him and he had the most success with, AKA WON A SUPERBOWL, then ends up with the Broncos on a mega deal at the time and the franchise literally pays him 30 million $ to leave, Then he lands in the Burgh and well you watched what we all watched and your conclusion is its everything else NOT Russ 😁😆😅🤣😂 do you bang your head against the wall often? Or are you just dense?
U don’t know ball and it shows. Just come out and say ur glazing Wilson and save everyones time
@@thefreeone517everything he said was literally true, wtf you talking about 😂. Arthur smith has been inconsistent as hell, the run game has become non existent, and the defense allowed more the 24 points a game.
All the L’s were not on him but the Bengals L was on him, all you have to do is score 20 and Steelers play Houston instead of Ravens first game… Ravens might win it all Houston not
@@sethnelson8698 all of Russ passes go out of bounds. He’s slow old and can’t read defenses so he holds the ball too long and takes way too many sacks. And he thinks he’s 21 still which is corny. He’d make a great cheerleader but qb??! Hell no
Steelers should have traded Ben in 2018
Not listening to ur friend arthur moats i see i mean he did play but ok
7 🤟🏾
Deke you are awful
You were the one all thrilled for Justin Fields
All QB’s need a good O-line, good receivers and good running backs on the offense. No QB can win a Super Bowl without that. 😂You can have an elite QB, but if he isn’t surrounded by great players….your not winning a Super Bowl. Justin only played 6 games. The play calling was conservative. This isn’t a one man show. Give Justin two good receivers and another good running back open up the playbook and play to WIN and not just to “not lose”. You won’t know if Justin is “elite” or not until he gets a real chance, not just 6 games. They need to turn him loose, instead of holding him back.
True because the great Mahomes struggled in the Superbowl against Brady when his O line had a terrible game
If the D that played the way they did the last 5 games during Fields time, he would’ve gone 0-6. No one would be considering him right now.
Ha ha. D played bad because the offense couldn’t sustain drives and they were on the field the whole game. Go look at time of possession over that stretch. Unbelievable lack of sense.
@ wrong. They were giving up drives in the first quarter. Wake the f up & stop making excuses for an overrated D. Hahahaha
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Ha ha. Stop making excuses for a washed up overrated QB. You ride with the 36 year old. I take the better younger option.
@ and you’ll kick FGs with the younger option. Hahaha
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Better than the 14 points per game over last 6. Most of those when the game was already decided
Ben is not top 5 all time no way. 1.Brady 2. Montana 3. Peyton 4. Bradshaw 5. Ben!!!!! Shit your right....
Mahomes, Marino, Elway