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- Hi guys! Today we are recaping NHK Trophy and the unfortunate injury that took place for Daria Usacheva.
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I’m actually disgusted by all the people saying that it’s Daria’s fault. She’s a literal child. As if she had a choice. All she could do was push herself until she broke. I really hope she gets better.
Exactly, since she was the only female athlete representing Russia there was a lot of extra pressure. I doubt it mattered if she vocalized her pain beforehand, because there was no one to replace her.
Daria is young and one of the most consistent of Team Tut, she doesn't do many super difficult elements because she has good artistry... if she's one of the skaters crumbling there is clearly a systemic problem with Tutberidze lol. If not with their training methods then sure as hell with their checks and balances system.
As the Actual Adults coaches should be the ones guiding their young skaters, making sure they aren't chronically overtrained and ignoring the warning signs of injury. The person at 6:45 going "GiRLs ArE aLrEaDY aDuLTs" like no!!! that is a CHILD right there under immense pressure (both external and internal) who probably wanted to push herself because she needed to take advantage of the spotlight, who was also *encouraged* by her coaches to still compete.
I mean, in her mind, it was her chance to be the NHK champion… she could win over Sakamoto. If I was her, I definitely would have taken that chance.
True people are disgusting and horrible human being! Darna doesnt have control of the situation, she may pushed herself too hard and all the pressure she been through, she’s victimized by peoples stupidity.
It wasn't even a bad jump .I'm guessing she had a hairline fracture that all it took was the right amount of pressure to turn into a total fracture.
that is crazy cuz i had a hairline fracture on my ankle before and i couldnt even change the angle of elevation w/o much pain
I have physical therapy training. My suspicion is that Daria might have an avulsion fracture of her lesser trochanter. It is relatively common in young athletes who compete in sports with a lot of torque created at the hip. I believe it is the tendon of the muscle that is overworked pulls off its attachment to the bone. No excuse for the extreme overtraining
Even before quads and triple-triple combinations became "common" at the Junior level, nearly 1/2 of skaters at Junior (!!) Worlds (surveyed over 4 years) reported overuse injuries, with ladies singles clocking the highest for it. And that was Juniors... 20 years ago.
The fracture happened during take off not the landing. That’s what’s why she landed essentially stop rotating a fell in a weird ways.
i can say from experience that a 100% coaches can cause injuries with the way they coach. In my sports team when we had our old coach, in a group of about 30 girls we had 7 ANKLE INJURIES IN 6 MONTHS and a ton of other smaller more minor injuries (which i never saw anyone take any time off for). But now with a new coaching team this season its been 5 months and no injuries. Our old coach just pushed us way too hard and never seemed to care about our physical health just about results
evgenia literally had to retire at 22 because of a back injury :(
Usually you hear older people get hip injuries after a fall because brittle bones. But for a young girl? It would have taken multiple falls for that to happen. She was most likely in pain prior the competition. And I can't believe people are blaming her. She is a CHILD! Tha adults around her SHOULD have seen that and did something for her to heal properly.
Tara Lipinski had hip surgery after the Olympics.
@@L.Spencer Tara had poor technic as well
Part of me wants to believe this is the beginning of Eteris downfall but I know the Russian federation LOVES her because she brings attention and money to the sport. It’s at the expense of these young girls, her coaching technique is dangerous. Quads need to be performed out of the muscle of a grown adult not the physics of an underweight prepubescent girl. Children with the weight of the world on their shoulders obviously aren’t going to know when to stop themselves, they need adult intervention that is in the child’s best interest.
Yes! Safety first. Lets look after our children.
That's not realistic lmfao. Maybe 0.0001% of grown adult women can do quads. Even then they don't have the benefits of extra muscle and bone density like men to sustain those forces over repeated consistent competition. Young girls do quads marvelously. There's a reason why Eteri has had this success. Her skaters can do quads consistently because they are young girls and her technique works. If you remove that technique there will be virtually 0 quads ever in the ladies side and injuries will still happen anyway. So will eating disorders. It's not going to solve anything just stop these girls from pushing themselves to their limits. Ilia Malinin is about to push himself to land a quint, after his historic 4A success. Why shouldn't the girls get to push themselves while they're still capable of doing four rotations
kaori is our girl she is all the light that we need in these dark times
light of my life ✨
I am from the future following the Olympics and I can tell you it's more true now than ever before.
I really hope Liza Tuktamysheva makes it to the Olympics and medals over an Eteri girl, if only to prove a point that longevity is what figure skating (and sports in general) needs instead of one season wonders. The outlook of this sport will never change if Eteri's girls keep winning with bad technique and broken bodies.
Well still hoping for another country to win over tutberidze because it doesn't matter for the Russian federation if eteri is first or not the goal is to get the whole podium Russian and with liza Russia achieved the goal.
Thats exactly what eteri's team needs and I would be so so happy with Liza first in the podium with her particular smile and a gold medal.
Yes! Im so rooting for her I really hope she keeps her consistancy streak going till Beijing
Actually Liza is bad example here. She got injured when she was 18 and lost her trixel and Lutz jumps and disappeared for 2 years. The only difference between her and medvedeva that she decided to start again and push herself again and medvedeva gave up.
@@aizhanyeshova2191 I don't think its fair to say that Medvedeva just gave up. She already won an Olympic medal, which is what Tuk is still trying to do.
Is figure skaters getting injured new? No. Is a skater getting injured a symptom of bad training practices? Also no. But it is a real issue when skaters from the same camp keep on receiving serious, career ending or major career altering injuries at a younger and younger age.
Tara Lipinski is another example.
It's been 87 years since I saw Yuzuru in live...
Talking about the point you made where the judges need to start punishing skaters for poor technique. In my personal opinion it will never happen. This will sound like a conspiracy theory but there is some kind of connection between eteri and the ISU. Whenever a skater leaves her coaching school their scores plummet despite having the same program or technical ability (example Evgengia, kostornaia, trusova). Even Brian Orser who decided to keep in Medvedeva's flutz stated "if they never called out the wrong edge before, why would they do it now.). And just as Orser predicted all of the sudden Medvedeva starts getting edge calls on her first season with him. meanwhile fresh juniors with lesser artistic ability from Eteri's camp started getting higher PCS than artistic skaters who have been in the senior stage for 4+ years. (Eg satoko, mao asada kostner).
Unfortunately as it is, unless we get a complete overhaul of the ISU officials, we likely will never see any changes to how skaters are judged.
Same. I always question the relationship between Eteri and ISU judges.b
It seems that mr Orser also decided to keep Jason's ''flutz''.......Why not !? Trusova isn't ''flutzer'', her lutz technique is correct, while Kosto's lutz is with the slight, but outside edge..... But, i think that Daria injured herself by performing a flip, during a warm-up., not lutz.
PCS is quite messed up. Even our commentators didn't understand how some skaters had higher score than Satoko. It was on Skate America I believe. And even though I like Alina, she also often didn't deserve high componets score - she always had problem to hit the music. Her Carmen was awful because of that. It didn't fit her at all.
@@nenavujicin7882 fixing a lutz is really hard, but I’m fine as long as they are called and judges should start giving e instead of !. Trusova doesn’t have a flutz, but her technique is not great, too much prerotation. She’s still the Tutberize girl with the best technique.
Amen! I think the exact same thing! There's something between ISU and Eteri! I've always thought why Anna Sherbakova's lutz was so overscored! I mean, at skate America 2019 she did a 4FLUTZ+ 3T and she got a positive GOE (+2,96) and later that year, at the final she got +3,75 GOE FOR THE EXACT SAME SHIT. I MEAN, WTF IS GOING ON? Sometimes is so frustrating to see all this injustice! And not only with Anna, with every Eteri's student!
People been saying that it's just a torn ligament or something and she will be back soon. But with a broken hip nobody will be back soon doing jumps on the ice. I mean the hip is in the center of the body, connected to so many things. She probably can't even stretch properly.
Edit: One channel on TH-cam said that, there isn't much information in general. But a broken hip for a 15 year old is kinda a big deal. Even knee problems, stress fractures. The issue behind that goes way deeper than just one bad fall.
I wonder about nutrition for these girls
Doctor google told me that this kind of injury needs surgery. But it is still important to note that nothing is confirmed and google isn't a real doctor. I really hope it doesn't have to go that far.
I think you made a good point. The coaches weren't very worried because the skaters are disposable in their eyes. I hope for the girls that they skate for themselves and don't just cater to the coaches so they have something to stand on outside of the "team".
I don't know why nobody is calling it negligence when Tutberidze and RusFed clearly view these children as medal vehicles and little more... reminds me a little too much of gymnastics under the USSR. The general public will only see the skaters who make it to the Olympics, not the struggle along the way... surely there's some element of soft power posturing going on here.
@@earl-grey-milk-tea so many people say that she’s a good coach and that tough is good and that’s why Russia is getting results but they forget that these skaters are humans. It’s so obvious eteri doesn’t care what happens because there’s always someone waiting. When yuzuru got injured before the Olympics did Bryan just say “you’re done” and replace him with another student? They worked together through the injury and found a way to compete and I’m sure even if yuzuru wasn’t able to compete, Bryan wouldn’t see him as a broken winged bird that is now useless. He would see him as an actual human being who needs the support of a coach to get back on track.
It’s actually crazy how people think this is ok.. just using young girls like plastic bags to throw out once they have been used.
As a figure skating coach, when an athlete injures themselves, the best thing to do is to remain calm and not amp up the situation. Staying calm helps the athlete calm down and gives them reassurance that their team is there for support.
Also, it helps everyone that is on the ice to stay calm and try to refocus on what they are doing. Again, dramatizing an on ice injury does not help anyone, especially in a competition where everyone is all ready at a heightened state of arousement. Best thing to do is to stay calm.
Are any of you figure skaters? Just curious.
@@earl-grey-milk-tea I've said it before and will say it again.....from both a longevity POV and also a health and artistic POV ( because its so sad seeing really brilliant skaters on the scrapheap at 17, depriving them, us and the sport of the privilege of seeing them produce beautiful, mature work) then the minimum age for competitions should be brought up to 17. Gymnadtucs its 16 and that was absolutely tge right thing to do. China had gymnasts who were about 11 competing in the Olympics in Beijing FFS they SAID they were 15, but it was strongly suspected birth certificates were faked and experts said that judging from the head, jaw and ear shapes, the girls were in early puberty and not much over about age 12
Guys yes i do think Kostornaia has a plan i think she will get on the Olympic team if the others get injured or can't recover. What do you think?
Makes sense
this would be the plot of a Disney movie
@MéLeona23 THIS!!!
I was thinking she is the smart one for training less. She might actually medal if things keep going as they are.
Ok random scenario. So say Sasha is pretty injured and can’t recover enough before nats, she’ll be out. Valieva still looks in good shape so she’ll be in. Liza looks to be in good shape so she’s in. Daria is out. Anna still looks to be in ok shape. It’s still very possible though something could happen between now and nationals that could push Kostornaia in. I think Aliona can very well put out her best performances at nationals if she stays uninjured. Hmm. I’m very very interested to see how this will turn out.
"This will not be the last time we'll see a Tutberidze skater break before our eyes". Watches this after the Valieva doping scandal 😅😅😅
Skaters get injured all the time, but it rarely triggers as loud a conversation as this. I’ve been trying to think through why. I think what made this particular instance such a conversation is how public and in the moment it was. For better or worse, Daria’s expression was so clear on camera. The way she gripped her hip after the fall and started instantly crying. These girls are so poised and elegant on ice that it can be easy to forget how young they are, but in that moment, her face was the same as that of a small child who is scared and crying for their parent. You suddenly start to wonder if all the other injuries you hear about are also like this, but just off camera. This moment made us all see “injury” not as an abstract thing but how devastating it is in reality. And then comes the disgusting thought that you, the viewer, are in fact contributing to the celebrating of a sport that does this to children. It feels gross and of course we must talk about it-either to defend it (and therefore defend our own complicity) or speak against it (to try and alleviate our guilt).
A hip fracture at her age is extremely serious. This is what we call a pathological fracture - the only time you normally see hip fractures esp trochanteric ones outside of major trauma are in the elderly. It strongly suggests that Daria (and likely others in team Tutberidze, esp Scherbakova) are suffering from malnutrition, anorexia/bulimia and osteopenia from overtraining. There is no way a 15 year old should be sustaining a hip fracture. A stress fracture in the foot, toe or tibia? Potentially. But the hip? Daria should be out until at least next year and I would be very surprised if she ever returns to high level skating.
Um I agree with you about the seriousness of the injury, never said it wasn’t. I feel we all are thinking that this results from unhealthy practices and training, it’s gross because while this case is extreme, this type of thing is endemic to the entire sport now. this is such a random lecture to respond to me with. It’s unnecessarily preachy and you’re preaching to the choir here
Add to all of this that these girls might be malnourished, and deal with excruciating training, no wonder they are breaking in front of our eyes . And i hate that people say "don't blame the coaches" (I'm looking at you, Stanislava). When the own coaches start dissing you all over media saying "she is lazy, doesn't train enough", the girls are being bullied into mad training. But then they get injured, and the "adults" just say "well, she need to say when she feels bad, we don't read minds". It's always a catch-22 with them, and the girls are the ones getting the blame.
I hope Dasha recovers and doesn't have heavy consequences that might hurt her during her life. I'm so pissed about this whole situation.
Not to mention that most of these Eteri girls are never being corrected on their jump technique. They are all fast learners, but the Team Tutberidze does anything for iNnOVAtIoN.
@@jonathanm.9801 I would even go as far to say they are encouraged to learned cheated jump technique. I was watching the gp event where Maia did a quad toe- double toe and her technique for the quad looks very different from the double toe at the start of the jumps. In the end it doesn't matter if you do a bad quad or a good one because the judges will gift GOE like candy.
@@avg18 oh definitely. all of them also do the same type of muscled and crazy pre-rotated technique. I feel like just the fact of them skating together also causes them to learn from each other, further making the technique issue worse.
So many factors overlooked, nutrition, rest, training schedules etc. malnutrition and training too much could contribute to the injuries, and the coaches are definitely responsible for the injuries.
I never thought a 15 yo getting a hip fracture, it is one of the thickest long bone, usually occur when ppl has osteoporosis or are fragile.
Not sure if it is true, but I saw someone mentioning Daria experiencing groin pain. Responsible coach team would have investigated it at the first place, blood test, X-rays, readjust schedules, etc
I believe they have done very little or else daria wouldn’t have to been through this
This just makes me worried, how much care they have toward athlete’s wellbeing
Hip fracture is way too bad, I hate how likely that more injuries are swept under the rug
These injuries remind me of the Marta era in gymnastics. Gymnasts competed with serious injuries and were expected to be quiet if they wanted to go to Worlds/Olympics. Once they retire from elite (and compete in NCAA) they talk about the horrors they endured.
I love Kaori, she’s like a lovely bundle of joy - watching her skate is so much fun!
I really hope and pray that Daria is getting taken care of. This poor baby. 🥺💔
I’m curious to know. What is your opinion on the age of the Olympics? I wonder if raising the age of when people can enter the Olympics will somehow positively impact this sport
I think so because it’s 15 right now so young girls with undeveloped bodies are pushing so so so so hard to get there since they know it’s now or never and they can’t last long the way they are doing things. Good jumping technique and skating skills take years to master so they take the easy way out and cheat jumps to go to the Olympics by 15,16,17 and don’t actually build sustainable jumps. However raise the age to 18 or even 19 ( in pairs the senior age is 19 for girls and 21 for boys ) and you won’t see children crushing their bodies and working to the extreme because they know they have to last until they are old enough. And by that time they have gone through puberty and if they have been taught crap jumping technique then it will have failed. This encourages technique that is based on longevity and healthy mature bodies instead of fragile children built to last a year or 2. Like in pairs for example ( I know pairs and singles are different ) senior men have to be 21 and this encourages them to build PURE body strength and coordination to be able to lift the female partner and perform all the elements involving the female. If the age was 16 or 15 you’d have young boys not yet fully developed trying to do crazy stunts and lifts which just leaves them injured because they haven’t developed the strength of a man yet. Hope that makes sense
@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 then fs will just die as a sport. Nobody wants to sit in juniors with unclear perspectives for years. And when they come to adults, they will find out that there are already many skaters with long career, reputation and they have almost no chance to get on the top.
@@МаринаФейнман I’m not saying to raise the age to 60 just by another 2 years I’m sure they can wait that long. Then we won’t have one season champions like kostornia and zagitova retiring at 17 when being taken over by 15 year olds.
@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 you talked about 19 above actually. You don't seem to understand how this works. Many girls start from 3 y.o., spend their whole life on a ring and by the age of 19 they wouldn't have proper education, nor real personal life. And there is a life after sport, you know? Not everyone is ready to sacrifise thier whole life for this. I understand that you don't care about what will happen with them after, you want them to please you despite that it becomes tougther and much more risky to do those jumps after certain age. And the longer they do it, the more traumas they get, and it's more and more difficult to start doing something else. But who cares, right?
It will push back the sport towards era of struggling with doubles "divas", who win for ages just because they are well known and have some authority behind them. And young girls would have almost no chance to get out of juniors. I was bored to death with women skating before and I don't want to see this again, no thanks. I hope they don't listen to people like you and don't kill the sport with their own hands.
@@МаринаФейнман sorry I think there was a misunderstanding I wasn’t really looking at it from this point of view. I was just looking at it from the safety of young girls so they aren’t pushed to be great too young and end up hurting themselves or being abused / pushed by coaches. I actually acknowledge that these athletes and skaters are humans before anything else and I want them to have a great life off the ring. I wasn’t intending to say that they should sacrifice their whole lives to this and nothing else. I just thought that raising the age will help girls develop before trying to attempt all these difficult jumps with wrong technique just because their age allows them to and then disappearing after one season after they have been surpassed by someone younger
I think Kosto’s plan is actually working. I really don’t mind that her 3A is a hit or miss right now. She just needs to land it at the most crucial times (RusNats and Olympics, if she gets to the Olys). She reminded me of an interview Shoma and Yuzu did together where Yuzu told Shoma to play video games less and to practice more. Although I love Yuzu and greatly appreciate the effort he puts in to push the sport, maybe the real secret to success and staying injury free in a brutal sport is doing quality training in moderation. These talented skaters don’t need to burn themselves out day in day out. Sufficient Rest should be part of the training. But I guess that is impossible at team tutberidze when there is literally an abundance of skaters who want to be at the top in a country that wants to validate themselves as a figure skating stronghold after all the scandal russian skaters and the russian federation have gone through since even earlier than Salt Lake 2002.
I wonder if there's been much research into a scientific approach to determining when you're doing the right amount of training. That is, you're doing the amount of training that maximises your skill and ability in your sport. There is an attitude amongst some people you are only capable of extreme performance if your body is capable of absorbing huge amounts of training. That fits in with the notion that pain is the ultimate measure of whether you're doing enough training. I'm not at all sure about this way of measuring training levels.
jun was robbed. zhou had a ton of urs that weren't called properly. only one of those being called correctly would have given jun the silver. shoma also had a ton of underrotations that weren't called but he would have kept the gold either way. not zhou's case though
Coming from the orthopedic profession, you usually see hip fractures in elderly adults due to osteopenia and osteoporosis. Their bones are very frail. You shouldn't see this in youth unless their body is using bone nutrition to supply the blood stream with nourishment. The only other scenario that could be in someone of this age fracturing a hip, would be Slipped Capital Femoral Epiphysis. Kids who have had pain for a long time, especially if they are child athletes, I would suspect of having this. Perhaps Daria already had SCFE and then further injured it.
It's interesting that you say the bones can be weakened by the body seeking nutrition from the bones in lieu of actual nutrition. Generally women can't do quad jumps unless they are very light weight and almost prepubescent. They have to remain thin and light to stay in the air long enough for 4 rotations Some of the young athletes who train with this woman have spoken before about how they are weighed several times a day, live on protein powders and are not allowed to drink water on competition days. They also speak about how much practise they do. Cmpared to working with other trainers this trainer expects them to keep repeating their routine until they do a clean run. It makes sense that what you describe would happen when they lack the nutrition to do the amount of physical training expected of them.
This is child abuse on so many levels.
kostornaia’s face at 5:46 is me every time i see a new injury on my feed disappointed but not surprised smh
Couldn’t agree more with everything you said! I understand why people are saying to not blame tutberidze, but I blame everyone. I hate when people say tutberidze is advancing the sport because if the sport is evolving into something you have to stop doing before you reach 18 because it’s taken such a toll on your body, then the sport needs to devolve its literal child abuse
Absolutely, and really she’s not evolving anything since most of her girls can’t do real quads, just overrotated triples. Yes sports needs to advance but in the right way not in a cheated way. Also how is lasting one season and then your body being permanently broken a good thing?
The feels reference is accurate i did the dance more than i streamed the song
we all had a shared experience haha
rooting so hard for Leona and Liza to beat the team tutberidze at the olimpics
That will be the plot twist of a great movie 😉
I’m rooting for anyone to beat Team tut at the the Olympics 😭😂😬
And now Yuzu is out of Rostelecom. This is all pure Chaos and idk if I can cope with it.
apparently rusfed said that daria has a "ligament tear of one of the muscles of her right leg in the growth zone of the femur" but it's rusfed so i don't know if i believe them at all or if they're just sweeping something under the rug? hopefully it's not a hip fracture :(
also the comment about twice and the feels so true lmao it's a whole bop now
Some kpop songs really take time or *stockholm syndrome* lol
I cant accept that Tutberitzi broke the 3A before olimpics but we all know it could happen
I was previously arguing that we shouldn't necessarily blame Team Tutberidze because so many other people have been injured. Now that you've fully explained your opinion on Daria's injury (and I lurked on FS reddit and read some things + remembered that their camp has a history of injures haha), I think I'm coming round to your point of view, though I think the issue is still quite nuanced. I don't think Eteri is evil or doesn't care about the well-being of her students (though she gets super petty and frankly abusive when they leave, so I'm not saying she's an amazing person). If she didn't care at all, she wouldn't have wanted Anna to pull out of Russian Nationals or held Trusova back from doing as many quads as she wanted. I do genuinely think that she wants the best for the students in her camp (talking only about Eteri, not Dani G) and is targeted about the ways she pushes them. It's just that she and her team has seen that repetition gets results, so that's what she's going to push her students to do.
The issue is deeper than just "Eteri = evil" and, like you said, goes even to the way the sport is judged. I just don't think it's helpful to include speculation about Eteri being cold to Daria etc among the many other good points you made. I also think that dramatic language like saying the team broke Daria isn't really great. That said, after watching your video, I feel like my initial take, that we shouldn't immediately blame Team Tutberidze, might have been too out of context and not well-thought-out (though yup, it's more than just them). Thanks for the video!
This video covers an issue that has bothered me for some time. It's possible for young skaters to jump quads - jumps where young skaters do 4 rotations. They're pretty amazing from the view of great spectacle but in my observation, the jumps do not have great aesthetic appeal. Emphasis is on maximum performance. There may be a very few very talented skaters who can land quads safely consistently. I haven't seen them. Quads are encouraged by judges (or maybe the ISU) in that if it's not a good jump, you may get points for a triple jump. So, if you're doing a jump which has a good chance of going wrong, you may land badly or fall. A bone may not break but a crack may develop and get worse with subsequent training - a skater may end up with a broken hip, an unusual injury in a young person.
Adult skaters in their twenties have bodies with more developed skeletal structures. Footballers typically in many different codes sustain contacts and tackles which would smash younger bodies. For an extra few points, a younger skater may end up with an injury that has life-long consequences. An athlete in the Long Jump finishes in nice soft sand. A Pole Vault is great to watch but really a pretty weird sport form . . . but they usually have nice soft landings. When 15 year old Russian girls jump quads and mess up, the ice is very hard. I wonder if a time will come when such jumps are barred. Alternately, there may be training levels to attain before attempting them is allowed. And, if quads are jumped, skaters ought to show a safe level of consistency in the landings. There was a time when a triple was a big deal. We got smart. Let's do that with quads or lets not do them.
Yuzuru apparently won’t be in the Grand Prix at all this year.
Netflix. Where the hell you at, pick this shit up!
either they renew Spinning Out for 2nd Season to highlight these issues or they make a docuseries about this 😭
@@micahfrappe9565 honestly as a figure skater i hated spinning out. I just hope they make a separate documentary series!!
I love your channel, I literally can't talk to any friend about these topics because they aren't interested, but listening to you, it's like I'm talking to a friend.
I can’t believe what happened to dasha :( #|dashadepression
Omg! I hope the girls recover in time for the olympics… I was just watching your last video when you uploaded this 😂😂 never been this early lmaoo
welcome to the early squad
same!
If you put to much pressure on the hip and you fall a bit differently its causes problems for the bones like the hip fracture is stress fracture. I had this in 2011 end of August 23, 2011. It took 8 weeks to complete to get better faster is to walking around to help out faster.
And the JUDGES, GOD. I will bet my whole foot that eteri and the judges have some sort of setting. Almost everything points to it. They're being so obvious without being too obvious, makes my blood boil so hard.
I hate the obvious overscoring, makes me sick and I honestly hate what this sport has become ever since Sochi 2014
Welcome to my angry TED talk:
The first eteri girl to break in front of us (even if at the time she was with another coach) was Yulia, seeing Daria slowly skating in pain towards her coach its the same image as Yulias last Free program. Of course its not the same to fracture your hip, but bc of Eteri and the weight and water thing, Yulia had anorexia and thats why she retired after that, I just see an enormous similarity. I dont think Daria is going to retire, what im saying its that Eteri is back to her basics. Back then she had less than 4 girls, and Yulia left. Now she has like a fucking army and she cant keep an eye on everyone.
I need her empire to crumble down, i just dont think she is doing any good to anyone rn, everyone just go and get a new coach bc this woman isnt intrested in coaching but on having an army, a brand and money. Tired of this shit...poor Daria is FIFTEEN... F I F T E E N, I NEEEED TO PUNCH A WALL.
I totally agree with the scores thing, and when i complain about Trusova only jumping people tell me im only intrested in artistry AND I FUCKING AM, COME AT ME.
I am just angry, this already crossed a line.I would love to think Kosto has a plan, but its not even funny, its their whole life and bodies, I AM SO ANGRY...how do we even intervene in this????, bc evidently no one is going to, then we as fans should do something, i dont know... sign a petiton idk AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA im so frustrated its unbelievable
PS: Kaoris costume does look Marvel-like :)
Wow, I am so impressed that Aliona posted that! Very mature words. I am rooting so hard for her more than ever. And of course I hope Daria is able to heal properly and have many more years on the ice.
I re-watched other angles and you can see it starts to hurt from the second last jump. Shes skating in pain. On the final flip she simply fell. You won't find this on ISU but fan cams.
I was watching the live stream of her warm up and noticed the first 3F + 3T (I believe it was) she did grimace a bit
I've fallen into figure skating TH-cam and I'm loving it.
Ban the quads. Only one triple axel per program allowed. It’s ridiculous to keep expecting more and more and more. Judge the skating in the quality of the other jumps and the artistry. Sakamoto is a prime example of what beautiful skating is without needing overly dangerous jumps which aren’t done properly anyway.
Paola…..the best analysis of the Daria situation! Thank you for your insight!
Absolutely on point!
It is the terrible technique that causes injuries like this. If they were properly scored for excessive prerotation, full blade, toe axles etc. Then they would focus on doing the correct technique that is sustainable and safe.
Love! Love! Your video.
I hope people realize that Daria is 15 YEARS OLD!
Just thinking about a hip fracture hurts. I really hope that she recovers completely.
Not to be fatalistic (okay, a bit, but it's honest), but if her hip is indeed fractured, this is most likely a career ending injury. Recovering from something like a broken leg would be easier and most likely less detrimental to her career. Even if everything goes well surgically, if she can get back on the ice just to stroke within 6 months, I'd be surprised. One of the reasons hip replacement is so common is that the surgery tends to be less risky that just repairing the hip, and she's still about 35 years too young for that. Even once it is healed, I doubt she will ever jump again, especially not at the level Tutberidze requires. It will most likely reduce the mobility of her hip enough that even spins, spirals, and footwork (potentially even just good skating form) could be challenging as well. There's no way Eteri will take her seriously if she has to circumvent such a difficult injury and would only be eligible for the next Olympics past the infamous Eteri expiration date to boot.
Poor girl. Kids this young should not be beating their bodies half to death like this (even 20 years ago, a study was done over four years and almost HALF of skaters competing at Junior (!!) worlds, in the days before quads and triple-triples were commonplace, reported overuse injuries that caused them pain on a regular basis with ladies singles being the highest). If overuse wasn't a problem, it's pretty damn unlikely she would have been injured so badly from this fall, and somehow I doubt Eteri is going to be forking over the cash for the medical bills when something like this should fall on the shoulders of the coach and Federation for not just promoting it, but demanding it, and not creating an environment that teaches athletes to listen to their bodies.
agreed. A right hip, ie. her landing hip fracture esp trochanteric is likely a career ending injury.
I had to have knee surgery because of a fracture on my knee joint and also, cartilage damage. 6 months later I got back on the ice to stroke. 9 months down the line, I was back jumping doubles and I had no pain at all. I have had no issues every since. I even started training 2A and other high impact jumps as well, before my city went into lockdown. The doctors also told me this was career ending, but just because they say that doesn’t mean you should believe it.
I am very partial to Shoma's short program this season...because I performed it myself at my last oboe recital ^^. I think he skated spectacularly to it. :)
I did get injured a couple of times while I was competing but I was fortunate enough to not have actually broken anything. I do have to live with spondylolisthesis (vertebral slippage), which Karen Chen (and I'm sure many others) also has.
I was shocked to hear Daria had a hip fracture; I had assumed she’d hurt her ankle, but hip is scary. You’re absolutely right, that’s not something that should be happening at 15. My dears Shoma, Junhwan, and Kaori made me so happy, though
Love the Twice reference
It angers me immensely that these coaches do this to these girls knowing all too well the consequences. At 14 I developed an ED during a competitive cheerleading and destroyed my body in less than a year. I was considered one of the strongest tumblers on my team and it was my dream to compete. It took mere months for my body to start breaking down and I was left with multiple injuries that refused to heal. I had to quit the same year I had started. I never went back and I have not done anything athletic ever since. My body just can’t handle it and I am only 19. I have the back, knees and hips of someone 3-4x my age. my bones are not the only thing that have suffered. I have had extreme stomach/digestion issues since recovery due to the restriction I put myself through. I didn’t get my period until the age of 17 and its extremely irregular. I could go on forever about all the health issues I’ve racked up due to the hell I put my body through. The fact that these girls are guided to do this to themselves disgusts me. I live with the consequences of my actions everyday. It is hard to find a job due to the sheer pain of standing for long periods. I can’t even enjoy walking around the mall for a day without coming home in severe pain. My body will never recover fully from what I did. Neither will there’s.
Honestly it’s pretty normal to go 100% during practice as it conditions the body, so even if you compete with only 80% it would not strain the body. The problem however is the INTENSITY of the Russian girls’ training. It’s very hard to get injured when you’re a kid unless it’s a freak accident, poor foundations, or stretching your body to the limit until your body breaks down. 15 or even 18 is still too young to have those heavy injuries, as their bodies are growing
There are people speaking out on far judging and IJS, but they are not loud enough yet. I think we all know Italian commentator Max Zambesi, he is the one who coined the phrase Planet Hanyu and called out the Sochi scandal live. Well, he’s been talking a little about how the judging system should be changed in his interviews. They are all in Italian, but I think there are subtitles if you’re interested in looking them up.
On a positive note, I love watching Junhwan! Do we think it's possible that he might make the GPF?
Since Yuzuru won't be there I think he has a chance
@@smga9062 I hope yuzuru heals quickly so we can see him in the Olympics 🤞 I don't even care about a quad axel - just want to appreciate his skating again
You almost make great videos and great commentaries very lucid analyzes. Thank You 🙏
Heyy, love your videos so much. But I feel like we should be careful when spreading news about Daria’s injury as a hip fracture when it was not confirmed. I know rusfed and eteri team lie A LOT, but saying that she had a hip fracture when we don’t really know if that’s truth is irresponsible. Just something I needed to say, BUT I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL PLS DONT TAKE THIS AS A HATE COMMENT!
haha it's ok i understand your concerns and i know where you are coming from. But honestly the truth is we will probably never know what the true nature of this injury is until years later, if even then. Because before the Olympics any athlete injury is treated by the federation (especially the Russian federation) as bad press. So, I know where you are coming from and i respect it. I don't take it as a hate comment. Thank you for watching! 😁
A hip fracture, a trochanteric fracture and a rupture of the femur’s tendon are the same, cause in this case, the tendon that goes from the hip (trochanteric bone) to the femur broke in the point where the muscle touches the bone, and the snapping of the tendon was accompanied by a bit of hip bone been torn apart from the hip.
The RusFed (🤮🤮🤮) saying that was a femur rupture and it’s pretty common in teens is as disgusting as Dani G talking bad about his pupils, Stanislava’s shitty “opinion” and Eteri’s methods.
I swear I am going to keep up with figure skating in winter break
I have missed soo many competitions and it makes me sad
But your videos let me keep up with tha drama 😭😭❤️❤️ love your channel
Thank you for bringing up that they are just CHILDREN. Children who are being pushed over the limit, till their body breaks, and then they get replaced as if they are broken dolls. 💙😰 Then they get to live with their broken bodies for the rest of their lives, nobody caring about them anymore, because they are fallen stars. And just think about all of the destroyed bodies from her camp, that we haven’t even seen at competition…
At this rate, maybe Kostornaya will be the only one left standing from the Eteri camp, when we get to the Olympics. She seems to listen to her body and adjusts her training according to it (even though the cost of that is getting shit talked in media by her coach… 🤮)
If you look, it was not the fall that did it. It was the take off.
I love you Pao La. thanks for the video.
I also really feel bad for Daria 😭
14:09 Yeiiiiiiii, a ONCE in here 🙋🏻♂️
I absolutely love Kaori too! Such an exciting skater to watch 😍👏🏻
Her free programme dress is stunning! Just my taste. 💖
Trochanteric fractures in young adults happen mostly after a huge trauma( fall from height, Road traffic accidents).
Or if they have already very poor bone integrity( pathological fracture)
Eteri's techniques are unsustainable: this is no secret. The only thing is people choose to overlook them because of stellar results. I cannot stress enough how much cleaner the sport will be if the judges just STOP the favouritism and distance themselves from Eteri...I mean could you imagine equal judging for all, skaters actually getting q calls and URs? Seeing the very lax reaction from team tut even when daria was CRYING after the fall just made me so mad
Another thing is...as much as I love the Team tut girls, I am hoping that one day Team Tut doesn't win and loses to someone with ACTUALLY correct technique, JUST SO she wakes up finally and sets it right...until then it is one girl sacrificed after another. Someone correctly said they're being treated as a dime a dozen.
Lately I have been seeing AoP junior girls have good technique so PLEASE SOMEONE conquer the fort that is Team Tut
Second this!
Like you said judges keep rewarding multiple quad jumps, bad technique etc over components and other elements… making figure skating a quite unbalanced sport. I said this in a Facebook group and almost got beaten by half of Russia.
These skaters are used and abused and the discarded when they can’t win anymore.
Save Valiyeva. She's the most beautiful skater I've ever seen. Dancing with her whole body, fluid and Powerful expression, incredible arm, leg, even hand extensions like I've never seen. Beautiful emotive expression. I can only pray that as she grows she gets rid of the quadruple jumps so she can preserve her body
After Olympic, now I am thinking of the same thing: MAYBE Kostornaia just refused to overwork her body rightfully, especially now with the dopping scandals. But back in the days, I kind of believed Daniil Gleikhenguaz Althrough I never liked him either as a person or a choreographer. I am an adult and still believed his nonsense simply because he is one from the coaching team, so it’s gonna be damn hard for these young girls to question anything they’re required from those adults around them.
Atheletes get injured, yes. It happens and every sport usually has its "typical" injuries -I'd say for figure skating its ankle and back injuries, typically... a fractured hip on a fifteen year old is not Typical and we cant even say its a freak accident because her fall wasn't even that bad in of itself. This is clearly, like you said, repeated stress on the bones for a prolonged time finally taking its toll ON A FIFTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL. Like i get it sometimes there will be really bad injuries in sport but I cant bring mysekf to think this is just random when Eteri girls suffer similar injuries following a same timeline (ankles, foot, back and then something usually way major) Add in the fact that we KNOW these girls are put on heavy diet restrictions and do very hard workouts and its a recipe for disaster and it keeps happening because people in charge dont care.
I feel like the people who can do something about it (ISU, Russian Fed, literally anyone) are turning a bling eye because guads are "good for the sport". Its become a spectacle, lets see how many impossible jumps these young girls can do! Oh? They have serious injuries from training those jumps? Sucks I guess... like please at this point i would be happy if they at the very least PRETEND like they care about these girls because we know they really dont. Yulia, Evgenia, Alina, the current batch of incredibly talented skaters, all suffering from one thing or another and i dont understand how people just allow the history repeat itself. Not only repeat itself but actually get worse by each incarnation...
And then ppl were blaming her? Saying she should have known better, should have said something? Shes a fifteen year old who grew up in an enviroment where strict trainings are normalised, where multiple skaters train while still injured -OFCOURSE she didnt say anything (or maybe she did and was shot down, we dont know) because thats why they have coaches,to stop them from injuring themselves but at Eteri we know its different. And yes, I will be blaming the coaches, I dont care
Kostornia has an iron spine and i adore her for it, i said before that team eteri would regret trying to make an example of her and i feel like its going to happen soon.
I was blown away from the korean ladies at nhk! Eunsoo Lim in her black costume was breathtaking.
For some reason Im not AS worried for Yuzu and Rika as i am for the others? Like theyre pulling out from competitions which clearly shows that theyre serious about healing from their injuries.
Knee injuries are also common as most skaters use their knees to not only to jump but also to land, so their knees absorb the impact instead of their backs.
it should be considered child-abuse , o my this is atrocious! Is the money or fame more important than your child's well-being? I want to ask this to that woman coach and also the girls parents!
Malnutrition could cause weak bones.
The hip had the problem in the jump you can see the leg
I replayed so many times the scene where Daria fell. I believe her hips, thigh and legs looked so awkward, thus it made her fell down and broke her hips.
no. You could see her pained expression mid air and she clearly bailed out of a planned triple jump. She broke it at take off, which means she likely already had a hairline fracture
As a pathologist used to tell me .....they don't break their hip because they fall. They fall because their hip fractured. ?
Yes another post ☺️☺️☺️
about the dresses: I'm saying this since the very beginning of the season
Asian girls' dresses are absolutely beautiful, they're different styles of course, but none of these are ugly (in my opinion, feel free to disagree)
Russia needs to stop paying for dresses that look made with pieces of fabric that are left over
Being an athlete is hard its pretty sad🥲
In ballet is the same hips, knees, feet back but what’s going on in figure skating is way to much. Injuries are “normal” but not to this extent… this looks like abuse.
And yep this is long term; I have bad knees from ballet and it wasn’t even professional ballet… of course technique is imperative but figure skating right now is way to demanding…these are children…
Very accurate, as always. Thanks !
I see you with all the Twice references. 🥰🥰🥰 I wouldn't say jm a ONCE yet but I sure like looking at Nayeon.
Paola, I have to say that i looove your channel, I wait every Wednesday for a new one haha, and I want to my open my own youtube channel about rhytmic gymnastics, which is my second favorite sport, and I wanted to ask you about the apps you use to edit your videos or how you record your voice for your videos, I’d really appreciate it if you could tell me :)). Keep up the good work Pao. Cheers from México 🇲🇽
gracias carolina!! Honestamente my editing skills are not that anything great. I use da vinci resolve mostly bc it's free lol. But all i do is cut trim and ad visuals which any editing software should be able to do. A normal 20-25min video takes me about 5-6 hours pf editing mostly because i have to compile all the visuals. So mostly just screen recorders, an editing software, and i record with my video camera but just leave the audio.
Surprised by the twice reference
A hip fracture at her age?? It is extremely serious. This is what we call a pathological fracture -a break where the bone broken and/or the mechanism of injury wouldn't occur with normal bone health and normal physics. The only time you normally see hip fractures esp trochanteric ones outside of major trauma are in the elderly. It strongly suggests that Daria (and likely others in team Tutberidze, esp Scherbakova) are suffering from malnutrition, anorexia/bulimia and osteopenia from overtraining. There is no way a 15 year old should be sustaining a hip fracture. A stress fracture in the foot, toe or tibia? Potentially. But the hip? Daria should be out until at least next year and I would be very surprised if she ever returns to high level skating. d. T
Have you ever listened to Polina Edmunds’s podcast Bleav Figure Skating? I feel like you would be a good guest on it…(?) :)
lol could you imagine? I'm just an amateur fan 😅
Do you know how many ice dancers are injured? It's just that no one is discussing it. But is only Tutberidze to blame?
I don't actually - how many ice dancers are injured? Serious question - is it just the Russians? Or who else is all injured?
Also, can we please talk about how hot Jun was during his EX at the gala?
💯
don't forget about Alena Kanysheva.
Well...as I said in the previous video, seeing daria by herself with no affectionate comments from her trainers broke my heart. And yes, I see how every single one of eteri's army is falling to pieces peerooo which pisses me off more!!!! (Okey eteri's team makes great athletes but, with such a good team and so much money...why the fuck don't they do more medical checkups to their athletes?why do they just wait for these poor girls to start suffering? I am really sad and the season had started very well...now I fear for the olympics to which we have to add the return of the covid pandemic that (hopefully not) could end up cancelling the event (something I could not overcome again). These are bad times for figure skating.
Children can have unstable ligaments/joints while they're growing, so they're more likely to get injured, especially when over-training.
Hip joints (and knees) are particularly vulnerable in skaters, as we're landing on the same leg, over and over. Triples jumps (and above) take a huge toll on your body. Triples/quads come with bad falls. I used to always land on my hip or tailbone. Learning triple toe, I had a permanent bruise/lump the size of my fist on my left hip, as I'm a lefty.
If she had a fractured hip she shouldn't have being skating, never mind competing with that!!! These kids are being pushed too hard. Skating through an injury like that is a HUGE no-no!
I remember hearing in one of your videos that Aliona Kostornaia didn't act like she wanted to go to the Olympics because she kept fighting her coaches. I guess we now know why. Maybe she's actually training less than the other girls to protect herself from very serious injuries like the one poor Daria just suffered. Aliona so far seems to be escaping the 18-year-old deadline that affected everyone before her.
And can someone please give Kaori a song that matches her energy?????? She's skating to a very sad song while giving out really happy vibes, I hate it.
I hope you are doing a video to the Competition in France alone the fact that two tutberidze girls couldn’t land an ultra C element is a video worth and the suggestion of the commentator that Aliona might be injured just after Darias hip fracture. Also the american women stoped midway in her SP just so manny things you could make a video about. I’m really hoping you are doing that so yeah
Hi Paola thank you for your videos I love you so much!!!!
thank you for watching! Love you too ❤
Aliona is the rebellion in the tubretzi camp hhhhhh I like her more now ... The others are just remaining silent
Yes all- We need to be so careful - it’s not always about pushing through and skating w/an injury! But that seems like that’s the expectation. As an adult skater we can make that call, but I really worry about our young skaters! I have a new hip and am an adult skater. I’ll never jump again, but I can skate. 🥰
I am devastated by Daria's retirement. This is INSANITY. She is a friggin child! When she placed over Haein Lee years back in JGPF, I was bitter and felt Haein was more artistic, but now I just wish Daria is still in the sport. It's just so infuriating. At the end of the day, these are just little girls.
A hip fracture???? And she stood up and skated to the edge of the rink to ask for help? She is tough
Jun should have been second.
Vincent is not even close to him in PCS
yasss the twice reference
I am just wondering why did Kostornaia has bad knees...
Hip injury... sadly is for life :(
Hopefully Daria's injury is not so bad and can heal without going through surgery within 6 months of bed rest, probably with a hip cast or some sort of :( My mother went through a hip fracture, she got 4 fractures on that injury and spent 6 months laying on bed :( it was so sad and traumatic.