Ramsay was just as evil as Joffrey, but a lot scarier. Joffrey was a sniveling coward. But Ramsay was eager to fight his own fights. And he was terrifyingly good at manipulating his opponents.
Joffrey is someone who is so ott and larger-than-life that there's something kinda camp about him, while Ramsay is a more grounded brutal thug, and feels more real.
@invisibleman4827 Joffrey was based on the real life Roman emperor Caligula. (Personally, I thought they made Euron Greyjoy over the top and campy. It was tough enough to keep their villains realistic as long as they did.)
@@invisibleman4827 I didn't find Joffrey campy. He was an immature and sociopathic teenage boy put in charge of a kingdom that he clearly didn't have the responsibility to rule. You also have to keep in mind that mental illnesses such as ASPD weren't recognized or treatable in the time period that Game of Thrones was set in. In addition, given how bloodthirsty Joffrey's family was, it is heavily implied that his sadistic and sociopathic tendencies were encouraged rather than reprimanded. I guarantee you there are people in real life who would act in a similar way to him if they had the power he did and a lack of any treatment options for their mental illnesses.
@jameslough6329 Fair enough, he obviously is cut from the same cloth, it's more that he's very exaggerated in a way that we don't really see day to day mostly, but Bolton feels more real.
@@Darius-_No. They had the original ending, as planned by GRRM. I think GRRM did it as a test for his originally intended conclusion. That's why the sixth book is taking so long. He has to figure out how to unforeshadow the things he's already placed into motion.
@@CaitiffFTWthis isn’t true. He said it in interviews, that if the fans find out the butler did it, and everything points to the butler doing it, then he’s not gonna change that because it’ll undo everything done before. It doesn’t matter either way, it’s not what happens, it’s how it’s executed. And we don’t know to what extent they stuck to his story points. I personally believe aria will not kill the night king, there’s no night king to kill, there won’t be a pointless expedition north to bring back a walker, Jon won’t be sent back to the non-existent nights watch, etc. a lot of things won’t happen like they did in the show. They changed many things already back when they were sticking to the books and George was writing for the show. The books are a different entity, and should be treated as such.
Your explanation of Roose's mentality versus Ramsey's was very enlightening. It makes sense to describe both as monsters, but where Roose is a well dressed vampire, able to walk among men with a mask of normalcy, Ramsey is a gluttonous ghoul, unable to appear human if he were even bothered to try.
There is even a conversation between them in the books about this. Roose chides Ramsey for being too open about his true nature. "Your amusements are your own, I will not chide you on that count, but you must be discreet."
It's impossible to do Nathan's delivery justice but I laughed at this exchange made me laugh. "INo offence but you look like you'd have sex with your sister for a piece of cheese." "I don't even like cheese." "That makes it even worse."
True. My one gripe for the casting was that he was way too handsome for the part. Ramsey was known to be very unattractive in the books. Other than that he was great in the role.
I saw an interview with the actor and he mentioned fans coming up to him in public telling him how much they love his character and his response was usually “wtf is wrong with you?” 🤣
Or when you take your mother to the screening and she cheers when your character dies. Didn't happen here, but it did happen to Paul Reiser when his character Burke in Aliens got killed.
@@daniellirette7226I don’t see what’s so wrong with loving a fictional character. Like, he’s a fake character in a fantasy world. If you went up to Pol Pot or something and said you’re a huge fan that would be different.
"i prefer beign an only child" more than a depraved reflection of jon, Ramsay was the living breathing embodiment of all negative steriotype about bastards in westeros
Wouldn't he be a reflection of Gendry? Since Jon isn't one? Ned save the bastard of Robert - Ramsey kill Ned true Born son Ramsay raped Sansa Gendry had Arya's consent One serve the Lannister the other run from them...
Ramsey is one of the few characters in fiction that inspires nothing but disdain and horror for me personally. Joffrey was a monster, but I’d go as far as to say Ramsey was FAR more vicious and cruel in just how much pain he inflicted and how much joy it brought him.
@@трыцтытыдыц agreed: Joffrey was a spoiled brat with no restraints and unlimited power; Ramsay was a born bastard living in the shadow of his fathers sins and embodying everything that made him awful, but FAR worse
I have been a fan of Iwan Rheon since Misfits. When they announced he would be Ramsey. I was like, how can this man with these big expressive innocent eyes play such a monster? I gotta see this. There is no way. I was completely shook and terrified. His portrayal was outstanding.
I don't think Lady Hornwood chewed off her fingers out of starvation. The Northmen are the ones who believed this was the reason she did it, but they know little of Ramsay at this point in the story. Ramsay's favorite method of torture is skinning a person's finger and leaving them in agony for days. I think it's more likely that Ramsay had her fingers skinned, and she chewed them off to end the pain. If it was done out of starvation, why did she stop at her fingers?
Holy hell, I've read them so many times and just realized it thanks to you. I just took the word of Ser Rodrik, but it makes totally sense that he would think that. He would have no idea that anybody would be so evil and skin people's fingers and let them suffer like that until they chew it off. I have to check the wikis to see if anybody else had that theory.
This point is even more emphasized when in the POV of Theon he remembers how Ramsey flayed a couple of his fingers, and he begged them to cut them off just to stop the pain! I believe he was even punished for trying to chew them off but I don’t fully remember.
The starvation route never made much sense to me. If I'm hungry enough to eat a part of myself I wouldn't go for the fingers, they don't have meat on them. 🤔
I love that moment in the show, because it was so great for Sansa to have such a badass moment, especially over Ramsay, but when Sansa tells him "You haven't fed them in seven days, you said it yourself" bugs me a tiny bit. Sansa wasn't there when Ramsay says that. I can tell myself that Jon must have told her about it, but why would Jon have done so? It's sloppy writing, a thing that plagued the later seasons of GoT.
@@leonrobinson8180 I do know that. And I have previously dismissed this little writing error with the exact same logic. And of all the writing issues in the later season of GoT, I could probably let this one go. But it is a truism of books and television that, except in certain circumstances, if it didn't happen on the page or on screen, then it didn't happen. You have to at least reference it. And they don't here. It's minor and one could overlook it by saying "oh someone told her", but it's also another indicator of the lazy writing that I'm not the only person to have called out.
No it wasn't. It was plot armor garbage that even landed them in that spot. Ramsey won the battle of the bastards and if DnD hadn't bought into main character syndrome Jon would have died there and Ramsey wouldn't have been captured. Sansa riding into save the day with little finger only happened because the writers forgot how long it takes to travel places. It was a trash ending to a great character and anyone who enjoyed it is literally the reason why the show declined so bad.
Not realistic. Honestly, if that fate happened in the actual book-based off the character of Ramsey-he’d enjoy it to the point where it’s unsettling. He’s a demon.
He did a good job if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me I had a completely different mental image of Ramsay based on the description of him and his actions (many of which aren't known in the show), and Iwan Rheon came off as more of a sadistic little hobbit than an intimidating, evil and twisted monster like the book version is.
Ramsay is one of the most fascinating villains of ASOIAF. Nobody really understands what kind of beast he is until it is far too late. This is best exemplified by the scene where Roose presents Cat with a strip of Theon's skin (flayed by Ramsay): Cat wants to treasure the macabre trophy, but she resists the impulse. She thinks Theon killed Bran and Rickon, so we understand how she might delight in Theon's suffering. And yet, it was Ramsay, not Theon, who put Winterfell to the sword and burned the Stark fortress. Ramsay's brutality led to the unraveling of Stark loyalists in the North, enabling the Red Wedding in the first place.
Eh, he wasn't bad. But his portrayal was nothing like the book version. Honestly wasn't the best casting decision. Show Ramsay was like an evil little hobbit.
FINALLY For my money, Ramsay is the scariest character. Embodiment of pure evil. Somebody who doesn't want to kill you, but subject you to far, far worse things than death. A captivating performance really does go a long way. Looking forward to your Euron video now
The Mountain for me was the scariest character. Pure evil psychopath + huge and strong as Hell, granted immunity by Lannisters to do whatever he wants.
I have always been intrigued by Domeric Bolton, Ramsay's older brother. There isn't alot about him but what there is speaks about him as a noble, well loved and honorable man, a man that even sadistic Roose Bolton admired. Unfortunately, we know what happened to poor Domeric
I guess the lesson is that evil becomes more overt as it passes along generations. The fathers didn't teach their sons how to reel back on their violent tendencies and to pursue power at any cost, causing their sons to become sadistic monsters which is really sad in a way. Both Joffrey and Ramsey, technically speaking, were not born evil but made evil by their evil fathers. (And were promptly eliminated by their kin)
@@voidw4lker the book has multiple religions, incest, murder of multiple children, implications of beastiality, and occult practices. If you're some devout Christian, you won't like the series. Sorry.
@@voidw4lker Makes sense since you're a Christian. Forgot to mention how realistic Game of Thrones portrays your religious world with High Sparrow and his little cult being one of the worst people on the entire series!
@@Darius-_ anti-theism is fine in the face of centuries of religious theocratic rule we've seen in the real world. High Sparrow is shit compared to Melissandre, the Faceless Men, or any other religious stand-in GRRM included.
THANK YOU! I waited for this character study for a year. I love this antagonist and Iwan Rheon Perfromance only made him better as a character. Littlefinger would be my other favourite pic for a take.
Iwan Rheon was great if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me he was nothing like what I envisioned. He felt more like a sadistic little hobbit than the terrifying monster than Ramsay was in the books. Edit - Roose Bolton in the show was also a huge letdown.
@@AdoreYouInAshXI I see your point. Making Ramsay less oger-like was a bolt move, but it fits with his tedency to not getting brutal directly, rather letting you feel the horror under the Surface. His unpredictability is my favourite Part of the book version and it was really brought to life by Rheon.
He's definitely one of the most evil characters looked at here. It would be challenging to write someone more horrible without essentially just writing a devil figure.
@@bloomins8088 Oh, I’m talking about Euron in the books. Show Euron and Book Euron are completely different characters. Show Euron is definitely a joke. Book Euron is not a joke at all. He is basically the Antichrist.
@@munken7673 When I say a devil, it seems like people misunderstand. I mean something like Molag Bal or Morgoth. The characters who in their own worlds are actually seen like the devil, and who pretty much just embody every evil thing that you could think of.
Ah yes the #1 most hatable villain of all time. From him cutting up Theon, to raping Sansa, to murdering John Snow’s brother, to murdering children, to feeding women to his dogs, and to slaughtering a mass of innocent people. The countless atrocities this murder has committed is repulsive.
@@cholericimp1358 The only based thing about Ramsey was how he went out: painfully ripped apart and devoured by his own dogs he starved. That's the one thing they got right in the entire later seasons.
I’m far more interested in Roose Bolton than Ramsay in the next books. Ramsay’s behavior is abhorrent, yes, but it’s said that he is only the shadow of his father. Ramsay has all the classic traits of a sociopath or psychopath (whichever category he falls in) but Roose is almost inhuman. Not because of his cruelty but just…him. He speaks a hair above a whisper so that men quiet to hear him. He is cold and calculating and impassive to everything it seems. Ramsay is barbarically brutal and has a sort of low cunning, but let’s be honest he is pretty stupid. Roose Bolton has so much potential in the next book and I hope his character isn’t wasted as a one note bad guy. “Roose has no feelings, you see. Those leeches that he loves so well sucked all the passions out of him years ago. He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings.” “Roose: Lord Tywin is many leagues from here. He has many matters yet to settle at King's Landing. He will not march on Harrenhal for some time. Aenys: You do not know the Lannisters as we do, my lord. King Stannis thought Lord Tywin was a thousand leagues away as well, and it undid him. The pale man in the bed smiled faintly as the leeches nursed of his blood. Roose: I am not a man to be undone, ser.” *AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE QUOTE* “All you have I gave you. You would do well to remember that, bastard. As for this ... Reek ... if you have not ruined him beyond redemption, he may yet be of some use to us. Get the keys and remove those chains from him, before you make me rue the day I raped your mother.”
that’s a really interesting take… i suppose Roose is less predictable, like that, which makes him more terrifying? Like, at least with Ramsay, if you manage to stay out of his general vicinity, you’re safe. He’s not very hard to recognise as insane and dangerous (unless he actively tries to hide it). Roose is a whole different story, because there’s a method to his madness, and he has the intelligence, political skill and restraint that Ramsay lacks.
@@dukes1993724 For real man. I was so excited for his entrance into the show (that's back when I still held hope for the show), and when he turned out to just be a horny pirate I was so disappointed.
My dad was a huge Game of Thrones fan for a long time. He read all the books and watched the entire TV series (at least up to the travesty that was season 8). However, he said that the moment he started to drift away from the book series was when he read what Ramsay did to Theon. He said that he found that the books described Theon's torture and emasculation in such grotesque and sickening detail that he debated whether or not to skip the pages that described it. After having read the books for myself as of now, I understand what he meant...
Ramsey Snow/Bolton has earned his place among the most evil sadistic psychopaths on this channel and I'm glad that you did this one VE for he was one of my early votes for a video.
There is certainly something to be said about what people do when given power while containing that deadly mixture of ambition, viciousness and competence
Thanks! I have to say. I have been a member since the episode off Darth Vader. I finally am at a point where my wife and I can support the Chanel. No need to post this on your next video. Thank you again. You have opened our lives up to hundreds of movies that we now own.
Thank you for covering so much of book Ramsay. I was worried this would only be about the show version. The book version is far more twisted, interesting and evil. He's also much more terrifying both physically and mentally. Now, please do a video on The Mountain That Rides, Gregor Clegane (and maybe even a dedicated video for Roose Bolton, as he has far more information than in this video as I'm sure you already know)!
Was hoping to see the following covered one day: - Joe Cooper (Killer Joe) - Nino Brown (New Jack City) - Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors) - The Always Sunny in Philadelphia gang - more James Bond villains
I think Ramsey Bolton character is summed up by his actions in a dance with dragons being that he has to maneuver his way into being lord of the dread fort because his actions previously turned the people of winterfell and hornwood the places he’s lord of against him
Been waiting on this specific episode a while, glad to see Ramsay being covered, without a doubt the most sadistic GOT character. Thanks again Vile Eye 🖤
Loved the actor that played him in previous shows, but he really showed his range as Ramsey. Made my blood boil watching him, which is saying something😂
If i am being honest, he was my favourite character of the entire show besides jon. Despite being bastards, they made it pretty far in the GOT universe while being hilariously fun and really enjoyable to watch.
@@satinarmor yeah I've heard this excuse, but actually - no? He didn't really *solve* any of the problems that ensured the Targ dynasty survived, he just delayed them. Future generations and successors had to actually resolve the issues because his one response was brutal violence.
@@maxomat4319 IIRC, he broke them *yes*, but the came back not long after and a more permanent agreement had to be established with the faith, specifically the whole law of Targaryen Exceptionalism? The problems with the faith only really calmed down THEN.
When Ramsey says to Sansa: “you can’t kill me, I’m a part of you now.” I see a it from a different perspective. Had Sansa not been so brutalised by Ramsey, she would never have killed him by having his dogs eat him. When she did that, she allowed Ramsey to become a part of her because that is something Ramsey would do. She learned that from Ramsey. So Ramsey won in the end & he did become a part of her because she killed him the way that he taught her.
Just always remember: the son is a shadow of the father... Ramsay may be uncontrollable, but that only causes everyone to despise him - Roose does everything Ramsay does, and worse, but keeps his land and people peaceful and so doesnt get caught 💀
In the books it's possible that Ramsay is gonna kill his father and half the northern lords by sabotaging the roof of the great hall burying them all under tons of snow.
I don't go looking for shockingly evil characters but in my experience Id say Ramsey is the most evil Just to witness the torture would have to make you sick and he actually carries it out with such delight
There was a moment that stuck with me from the series where Sansa and Ramsay were conversing during a sort of struggle for autonomy.. Sansa gets his attention and he looks in her direction from elsewhere but it's like he was still elsewhere- blank expression, even mean looking.. then his eyes return to the present and he puts a smile on.. at that moment it was like the mask was briefly off, but also like he switched personalities when prompted, and it was such a high calibre bit of detailed character acting that i thought it worth a mention.
Damn! This one was overdue. I feel like you let off easy. Ramsay from the book and show is one of the most vile and evil characters I can think of (The Harkonens of Dune are runners up only by virtue of a dearth of materials describing their acts. Great video!
You covered Twyin Lannister, Joffery Baratheon, and Ramsay Bolton. The only Game of Thrones characters left to cover are Lord Petyr Bealish, Walder Frey, and Cersie Lannister.
Euron greyjoy (the real euron, not that idiot talking about fingers in bums that D&D invented) too. Also I don't think walder frey has enough to talk about in either book or show to be honest. I'm not even sure he could truly be considered evil, to me he's just a morally corrupt antagonist, no different to for example balon greyjoy or some of the wildlings. When you think about it what does he do that's evil? He kills thousands at a wedding? OK but they are fighting for a king who sent the biggest "fuck you" possible to him, after he spent his entire 90 year old life getting fuck yous from greater lords He's creepy towards women? OK but that describes most westerosi lords. He's allied with the boltons and lannisters? OK but so are the tyrells and to some extent even the martells.
Wonderful video Vile! If possible it would be so awesome to see you cover Handsome Jack from “Borderlands 2”, Majora from “legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask” and/or Kerrigan from “StarCraft” Thank you for all that you do!
Holy shit i didnt even realize he hadnt covered this character yet! This just made my day. I have something of a morvid curiosity when it comes ro torture because the idea of it terrifies me so much. Because of this ramsay is one of my favorite characters of all time.
The predator example is still spot-on, I mix-up psychopath/sociopath frequently. As for future videos, I'll repeat some good ones I've mentioned in the past: Fernand Montego from "Count of Monte Cristo" (especially the 2004 movie), Gaston from "Beauty & the Beast" (animated preferably), and Top Dollar from "The Crow. EDIT: Maybe, for 'April Fools' or the like, you could feature some villains from comedic works who are still great villains to analyze. Like Biff Tannen from "Back to the Future", Shooter McGavin from "Happy Gilmore", and Forge Fitzwilliam from "Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves".
Very well said! I've often found myself comparing the Bolton duo and their individual approaches to evil while watching the show. There's a very noticeable distinction between them and you've perfectly explained it. Roose is DEFINITELY the psychopath able to deceive enemies while Ramsay is more of a sociopath. This was highlighted during the events of the Red Wedding as Roose was able to appear as a friend and even openly converse with Cat over dinner.
Another great video Mr. Vile.. 12:35 A perfect example of this difference could be Tuco and Lalo Salamanca. One an unhinged sociopath, the other a charismatic psychopath.
The actor who played him is incredible. Before playing Ramsay Bolton, he played a kind, dim witted and super naive and unlucky neighbor to two old gay dudes on a sitcom in Britain, One of the main characters was Sir Ian McKellan. The role was so different and he behaved so differently that it took me a long time to realize it was the same dude who played RamsaY!
This was a good analysis, I’m looking forward to the video on Euron Crows Eye as he is very similar but is much more intelligent and larger in his scale when you look at The Forsaken Winds sample chapter which is one of the scariest chapters in the series.
I thought the show's Ramsey was a disgusting psychopath, but then I read the books, and oh boy, his barbaric wild sociopathic behaviour there was even more terrifyingly cruel.
Ramsay's brutality, in addition to the pleasure it brings him, seems calculated to so terrify his enemies that they will be afraid to oppose him. All stick and no carrot.
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Because they were almost as powerful as the starks if no as powerful as them. They had a war a long time ago and nearly destroyed each other. Owned a lot of land and the dreadfort as well as a lot of soldiers. Also iirc the annihilation of an entire house is pretty frowned upon
Because after the starks subjugated the boltons the boltons kept the whole flaying thing on the down low, only really being public with it when they were fighting stark enemies or more specifically in the main series.
@@CodeeXD I get that but I felt that they had plot armor as a house in the north for the story's sake. If they were this big menace, it would have been the North's best interest to band together and get rid of them. Years ago.
@@mappingshaman5280 They were killing Starks for years and years but the North always just let them stay until the main storyline. Yes they fought but if u flaying houses all this time and the most hated, I would think that wouldn't be tolerated in that world.
@b_e_thecreative they stopped killing starks after the greystark rebellion though and just kept on the DL. Besides there are other houses in other regions with similar histories to their overlords. House ulller and House yronwood to House martell, house Royce to House arryn etc.
Do you think you'll ever cover the High Sparrow? I'm not sure if 'evil' is the correct word to describe him but he's definitely one of the more complex villain in the series.
He's interesting because he's an antagonist, but an antagonist to Cersei who is absolutely a villain. So is he a villain? Not necessarily. But he's certainly not a hero or protagonist. Anti-villain maybe?
I don't know if it's because winter is coming, but this gave me a good chill down my spine. Definitely an evil bastard that I wouldn't want to be associated with.
I’m not a big GOT fan but the fact you make this interesting is a statement of how good your videos are. Again Vile please do one on Nina Meyers from “24” and/or Jenny Schecter from “The L Word.” Two villains who are as cold as they are evil.
You're 100 percent correct about Ramsay Bolton! Your analysis is so detailed and ACCURATE that it gives me NO DOUBTS about Dredford's Bastard's psychoanalytic description.
Absolutely loved this episode. I know I've banged on about it the past but the flow of these videos now are so silky smooth my man. You've come far from when you first started and I love the fact you continue to improve, and make very engaging content. On top of that, I think your steady rise says a lot about this TH-cam channel. Grown organically, through sheer determination and dedication.
I always felt that the description of Roose's and Ramsay's eyes as being the colour of ice was hinting at something more disturbring about these characters that GRRM is yet to reveal...possibly a relation to the Others?
24:45 according to the sample chapters of the winds of winter that have already come out, one of which is a Theon chapter, Stannis ain't finished yet. As a matter of fact, he gets a loan from the bank of Braavos to buy sellswords and has already dismantled the trap the Boltons and Karstarks had set for him. Also, it is implied the Boltons are in much worse shape inside Winterfell, given that everyone in the castle wants to kill everyone else 😂
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Ramsay was just as evil as Joffrey, but a lot scarier. Joffrey was a sniveling coward. But Ramsay was eager to fight his own fights. And he was terrifyingly good at manipulating his opponents.
Ramsay is a grown man fueled by a family obsessed with power as a means to an end. Joffrey was a boy king with narcissism. The two are not the same.
Joffrey is someone who is so ott and larger-than-life that there's something kinda camp about him, while Ramsay is a more grounded brutal thug, and feels more real.
@invisibleman4827 Joffrey was based on the real life Roman emperor Caligula. (Personally, I thought they made Euron Greyjoy over the top and campy. It was tough enough to keep their villains realistic as long as they did.)
@@invisibleman4827 I didn't find Joffrey campy. He was an immature and sociopathic teenage boy put in charge of a kingdom that he clearly didn't have the responsibility to rule. You also have to keep in mind that mental illnesses such as ASPD weren't recognized or treatable in the time period that Game of Thrones was set in. In addition, given how bloodthirsty Joffrey's family was, it is heavily implied that his sadistic and sociopathic tendencies were encouraged rather than reprimanded. I guarantee you there are people in real life who would act in a similar way to him if they had the power he did and a lack of any treatment options for their mental illnesses.
@jameslough6329 Fair enough, he obviously is cut from the same cloth, it's more that he's very exaggerated in a way that we don't really see day to day mostly, but Bolton feels more real.
"If you think this has a happy ending, you havent veen paying attention" that line still gives me chills
Yeah, the ending was disappointing. But Ramsey’s ending was satisfying
@@Darius-_No. They had the original ending, as planned by GRRM. I think GRRM did it as a test for his originally intended conclusion.
That's why the sixth book is taking so long. He has to figure out how to unforeshadow the things he's already placed into motion.
@@JaketheJust i think it was pretty satisfaying
@@CaitiffFTWthis isn’t true. He said it in interviews, that if the fans find out the butler did it, and everything points to the butler doing it, then he’s not gonna change that because it’ll undo everything done before. It doesn’t matter either way, it’s not what happens, it’s how it’s executed. And we don’t know to what extent they stuck to his story points. I personally believe aria will not kill the night king, there’s no night king to kill, there won’t be a pointless expedition north to bring back a walker, Jon won’t be sent back to the non-existent nights watch, etc. a lot of things won’t happen like they did in the show. They changed many things already back when they were sticking to the books and George was writing for the show. The books are a different entity, and should be treated as such.
It sums up the whole series tbh. You weren’t supposed to expect a happy ending, it’s Game of Thrones ffs.
Your explanation of Roose's mentality versus Ramsey's was very enlightening.
It makes sense to describe both as monsters, but where Roose is a well dressed vampire, able to walk among men with a mask of normalcy, Ramsey is a gluttonous ghoul, unable to appear human if he were even bothered to try.
There is even a conversation between them in the books about this. Roose chides Ramsey for being too open about his true nature. "Your amusements are your own, I will not chide you on that count, but you must be discreet."
Ramsey Bolton was a very savage character. His actor did an absolutely amazing job showing off his brutality.
Amazing work as always 🎉
You know an actor is talented when he can go from socially awkward panty sniffer to brutal bdsm lover
@@oghaze9318 Are you talking about Simon Bellamy from Misfits? Yeah Iwan Rheon was great in that.
It's impossible to do Nathan's delivery justice but I laughed at this exchange made me laugh.
"INo offence but you look like you'd have sex with your sister for a piece of cheese."
"I don't even like cheese."
"That makes it even worse."
True. My one gripe for the casting was that he was way too handsome for the part. Ramsey was known to be very unattractive in the books. Other than that he was great in the role.
Yes, his actor definitely did an awesome job
You know a character is evil when even his actor was waiting for the writers to kill him off.
I saw an interview with the actor and he mentioned fans coming up to him in public telling him how much they love his character and his response was usually “wtf is wrong with you?” 🤣
And by GRRM’s logic, the more evil a character, the harder it is to write them off.
Or when you take your mother to the screening and she cheers when your character dies. Didn't happen here, but it did happen to Paul Reiser when his character Burke in Aliens got killed.
...and you know a show is good when at least 3 characters appear on "Analyzing Evil"...
@@daniellirette7226I don’t see what’s so wrong with loving a fictional character. Like, he’s a fake character in a fantasy world. If you went up to Pol Pot or something and said you’re a huge fan that would be different.
"i prefer beign an only child" more than a depraved reflection of jon, Ramsay was the living breathing embodiment of all negative steriotype about bastards in westeros
Wouldn't he be a reflection of Gendry? Since Jon isn't one?
Ned save the bastard of Robert - Ramsey kill Ned true Born son
Ramsay raped Sansa
Gendry had Arya's consent
One serve the Lannister the other run from them...
@@BRougeall show bullshit.
@@BRouge I think the comment is based on the book versions of the characters where Jon isn’t confirmed to be a targ yet
Fun fact: the actor who played Ramsey was almost chosen to be Jon Snow and even had auditioned for it
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Now I’m trying to picture the actress switching their roles to each other
Ramsey is one of the few characters in fiction that inspires nothing but disdain and horror for me personally. Joffrey was a monster, but I’d go as far as to say Ramsey was FAR more vicious and cruel in just how much pain he inflicted and how much joy it brought him.
Basically, Joffrey is a sadistic spoiled child, but Ramsay is cold-blooded, cunning, full-grown monster.
Well Joffrey never got to be as old as Ramsay, but he surely would have been just as bad
Disdain
@@трыцтытыдыц agreed: Joffrey was a spoiled brat with no restraints and unlimited power; Ramsay was a born bastard living in the shadow of his fathers sins and embodying everything that made him awful, but FAR worse
@@benguensche Thank you for the correction friend.
I have been a fan of Iwan Rheon since Misfits. When they announced he would be Ramsey. I was like, how can this man with these big expressive innocent eyes play such a monster? I gotta see this. There is no way. I was completely shook and terrified. His portrayal was outstanding.
Having recently gotten into Misfits, I am impressed by his acting skills, nailing such polar opposites.
Literally why he’s my favorite character. I adore that actor.
I don't think Lady Hornwood chewed off her fingers out of starvation. The Northmen are the ones who believed this was the reason she did it, but they know little of Ramsay at this point in the story. Ramsay's favorite method of torture is skinning a person's finger and leaving them in agony for days. I think it's more likely that Ramsay had her fingers skinned, and she chewed them off to end the pain. If it was done out of starvation, why did she stop at her fingers?
It’s a detail you notice when you read the books more than once. You miss it the first time.
Holy hell, I've read them so many times and just realized it thanks to you. I just took the word of Ser Rodrik, but it makes totally sense that he would think that. He would have no idea that anybody would be so evil and skin people's fingers and let them suffer like that until they chew it off. I have to check the wikis to see if anybody else had that theory.
This point is even more emphasized when in the POV of Theon he remembers how Ramsey flayed a couple of his fingers, and he begged them to cut them off just to stop the pain! I believe he was even punished for trying to chew them off but I don’t fully remember.
The starvation route never made much sense to me. If I'm hungry enough to eat a part of myself I wouldn't go for the fingers, they don't have meat on them. 🤔
Sansa reminded him
His hounds were starving and the “oh uh” look on Ramsey before they rip that little homicidal maniac was the best
I love that moment in the show, because it was so great for Sansa to have such a badass moment, especially over Ramsay, but when Sansa tells him "You haven't fed them in seven days, you said it yourself" bugs me a tiny bit. Sansa wasn't there when Ramsay says that. I can tell myself that Jon must have told her about it, but why would Jon have done so? It's sloppy writing, a thing that plagued the later seasons of GoT.
Except that she wasn’t at the meeting anymore when he said that…scene was great though
@@carynfisher9463 Word of mouth is a thing you know
@@leonrobinson8180 I do know that. And I have previously dismissed this little writing error with the exact same logic. And of all the writing issues in the later season of GoT, I could probably let this one go. But it is a truism of books and television that, except in certain circumstances, if it didn't happen on the page or on screen, then it didn't happen. You have to at least reference it. And they don't here. It's minor and one could overlook it by saying "oh someone told her", but it's also another indicator of the lazy writing that I'm not the only person to have called out.
When Sansa fed Ramsey to his dogs that moment was fantastic.
Which we saw more of it
No it wasn't. It was plot armor garbage that even landed them in that spot. Ramsey won the battle of the bastards and if DnD hadn't bought into main character syndrome Jon would have died there and Ramsey wouldn't have been captured. Sansa riding into save the day with little finger only happened because the writers forgot how long it takes to travel places. It was a trash ending to a great character and anyone who enjoyed it is literally the reason why the show declined so bad.
Not realistic. Honestly, if that fate happened in the actual book-based off the character of Ramsey-he’d enjoy it to the point where it’s unsettling. He’s a demon.
@@AppleGonCrumbleI thoughtit was a disapointing end to the character.
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Iwan Rheon did a fantastic job in bringing this monster to life. Truly the Bastard of Bastards!
Would be fun to see a video on Krampus!
It crazy he was trying to get the role of Jon Snow. I cannot imagine.
@@crylec6534Iwan could have pulled of John, he can play a softer loveable character too.
@@ToeKnife166 Perhaps, but mentally picturing Iwan as Jon is hard since I think of Ramsay.
He did a good job if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me I had a completely different mental image of Ramsay based on the description of him and his actions (many of which aren't known in the show), and Iwan Rheon came off as more of a sadistic little hobbit than an intimidating, evil and twisted monster like the book version is.
Ramsay is one of the most fascinating villains of ASOIAF. Nobody really understands what kind of beast he is until it is far too late. This is best exemplified by the scene where Roose presents Cat with a strip of Theon's skin (flayed by Ramsay): Cat wants to treasure the macabre trophy, but she resists the impulse. She thinks Theon killed Bran and Rickon, so we understand how she might delight in Theon's suffering. And yet, it was Ramsay, not Theon, who put Winterfell to the sword and burned the Stark fortress. Ramsay's brutality led to the unraveling of Stark loyalists in the North, enabling the Red Wedding in the first place.
Ewan Rheon's portrayal of Ramsay was chilling and deeply disturbing... One of the best villains in recent media👏👏👏
Eh, he wasn't bad. But his portrayal was nothing like the book version. Honestly wasn't the best casting decision. Show Ramsay was like an evil little hobbit.
I remember binge-watching this series and missing Joffery. That is how bad Ramsey was in the series. He makes the Ice King look like a princess.
FINALLY
For my money, Ramsay is the scariest character. Embodiment of pure evil. Somebody who doesn't want to kill you, but subject you to far, far worse things than death.
A captivating performance really does go a long way.
Looking forward to your Euron video now
The Mountain for me was the scariest character. Pure evil psychopath + huge and strong as Hell, granted immunity by Lannisters to do whatever he wants.
Thank you for utilizing proper credits for the Artwork in this video. Crediting Artists for their efforts is so important. It's greatly appreciated.
Him wiggling that sausage in front of Theon will always be one of my favorites moments of him lol
And makes eye contact the entire time he's eating it like a slob.
Yet we can't say the R word...weird double standards
His name is Meat xD
"noo it's a pork sausage, do you really think I'm some sort of a savage?" 😂
Feel an itch?
I have always been intrigued by Domeric Bolton, Ramsay's older brother. There isn't alot about him but what there is speaks about him as a noble, well loved and honorable man, a man that even sadistic Roose Bolton admired. Unfortunately, we know what happened to poor Domeric
Poisoned by his enemies just like his father,RIP both
“Noble, well loved and honorable” - you’re basically describing a totally uninteresting character
You don’t have to be an evil rotten sadistic jerk to be an interesting person.
@@vanbatenburg Yeah, because Ned Stark is so uninteresting. I'm sure nobody will care if he were to die suddenly. 🙄
@vanbatenburg Good characters don't have to be uninteresting, seems like you just glorify satanic degenerates.
Utterly incredibly well written character and played so well by Iwan Rheon
As with the Lannisters, the patriarch was focused and political while their heirs were twisted and self-indulgent.
I guess the lesson is that evil becomes more overt as it passes along generations. The fathers didn't teach their sons how to reel back on their violent tendencies and to pursue power at any cost, causing their sons to become sadistic monsters which is really sad in a way. Both Joffrey and Ramsey, technically speaking, were not born evil but made evil by their evil fathers. (And were promptly eliminated by their kin)
@@Justmonika6969 Agree, except that Joffrey was made evil by Cersei.
Just a bunch of nepo babies of evil.
Ramsey Bolton, man, this character was on another level. Keep up the great work
@@voidw4lker is this a troll? A Song of Ice and Fire is not a Christian story.
@@voidw4lker the book has multiple religions, incest, murder of multiple children, implications of beastiality, and occult practices.
If you're some devout Christian, you won't like the series. Sorry.
@@voidw4lker yikes, gonna block and move on. Not the reply I was expecting.
@@voidw4lker Makes sense since you're a Christian. Forgot to mention how realistic Game of Thrones portrays your religious world with High Sparrow and his little cult being one of the worst people on the entire series!
@@Darius-_ anti-theism is fine in the face of centuries of religious theocratic rule we've seen in the real world. High Sparrow is shit compared to Melissandre, the Faceless Men, or any other religious stand-in GRRM included.
*The whole world*
"Joffrey is the most despicable and hateful character ever."
Ramsay : "Hold my sausage, Reek."
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I think I speak for many fans of traditional animation when I say *General Woundwort* from _Watership Down_ would be a great villain to analyse.
Woundwort!!! Now that would be something. I've only recently rewatched that animation. Just might be my favorite animation.
Yes! Watership Down is fantastic!
THANK YOU! I waited for this character study for a year. I love this antagonist and Iwan Rheon Perfromance only made him better as a character. Littlefinger would be my other favourite pic for a take.
Iwan Rheon was great if you've never read the books before watching the show. Unfortunately for me he was nothing like what I envisioned. He felt more like a sadistic little hobbit than the terrifying monster than Ramsay was in the books.
Edit - Roose Bolton in the show was also a huge letdown.
@@AdoreYouInAshXI I see your point. Making Ramsay less oger-like was a bolt move, but it fits with his tedency to not getting brutal directly, rather letting you feel the horror under the Surface. His unpredictability is my favourite Part of the book version and it was really brought to life by Rheon.
Love your video! Ramsay Bolton is the absolute definition of pure evil! His the only character in GOT that can make Joffrey look like a saint!
No.. they’re on the same level
@@darthsilversith667not really, Ramsay liked to toy with his captives and break them while Joffrey was more of a bully who could be manipulated!
@@darthsilversith667eh, Joffrey is like the spoiled teenager that falls into a position of power. He acts solely on impulse
To quote Macabre Storytelling, Joffrey is Squirtle, Ramsay is Wartortle, Euron the Crow's Eye Greyjoy is Blastoise.
@@360entertainment2 Did Joffery not like to toy with his victims and break them?
He's definitely one of the most evil characters looked at here. It would be challenging to write someone more horrible without essentially just writing a devil figure.
So Euron Greyjoy.
@@benderthepirateI would argue that Euron was more of a shadow of Ramsay. More of a... joke? For lack of a better word.
@@bloomins8088 Oh, I’m talking about Euron in the books. Show Euron and Book Euron are completely different characters. Show Euron is definitely a joke. Book Euron is not a joke at all. He is basically the Antichrist.
So Book Ramsay and Euron
@@munken7673 When I say a devil, it seems like people misunderstand. I mean something like Molag Bal or Morgoth. The characters who in their own worlds are actually seen like the devil, and who pretty much just embody every evil thing that you could think of.
Ah yes the #1 most hatable villain of all time.
From him cutting up Theon, to raping Sansa, to murdering John Snow’s brother, to murdering children, to feeding women to his dogs, and to slaughtering a mass of innocent people.
The countless atrocities this murder has committed is repulsive.
I thought it was kinda based
@@cholericimp1358 The only based thing about Ramsey was how he went out: painfully ripped apart and devoured by his own dogs he starved. That's the one thing they got right in the entire later seasons.
Such a great actor, actually both of them are great actors
I’m far more interested in Roose Bolton than Ramsay in the next books. Ramsay’s behavior is abhorrent, yes, but it’s said that he is only the shadow of his father. Ramsay has all the classic traits of a sociopath or psychopath (whichever category he falls in) but Roose is almost inhuman. Not because of his cruelty but just…him. He speaks a hair above a whisper so that men quiet to hear him. He is cold and calculating and impassive to everything it seems. Ramsay is barbarically brutal and has a sort of low cunning, but let’s be honest he is pretty stupid. Roose Bolton has so much potential in the next book and I hope his character isn’t wasted as a one note bad guy.
“Roose has no feelings, you see. Those leeches that he loves so well sucked all the passions out of him years ago. He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings.”
“Roose: Lord Tywin is many leagues from here. He has many matters yet to settle at King's Landing. He will not march on Harrenhal for some time.
Aenys: You do not know the Lannisters as we do, my lord. King Stannis thought Lord Tywin was a thousand leagues away as well, and it undid him.
The pale man in the bed smiled faintly as the leeches nursed of his blood.
Roose: I am not a man to be undone, ser.”
*AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE QUOTE*
“All you have I gave you. You would do well to remember that, bastard. As for this ... Reek ... if you have not ruined him beyond redemption, he may yet be of some use to us. Get the keys and remove those chains from him, before you make me rue the day I raped your mother.”
that’s a really interesting take… i suppose Roose is less predictable, like that, which makes him more terrifying? Like, at least with Ramsay, if you manage to stay out of his general vicinity, you’re safe.
He’s not very hard to recognise as insane and dangerous (unless he actively tries to hide it).
Roose is a whole different story, because there’s a method to his madness, and he has the intelligence, political skill and restraint that Ramsay lacks.
Him along with book Euron are the most terrifying Villains of ASOIAF.
The show portrayed Euron as a joke. No need for Vile to cover that disappointment lol
@@dukes1993724 no lies detected.
@@dukes1993724 For real man. I was so excited for his entrance into the show (that's back when I still held hope for the show), and when he turned out to just be a horny pirate I was so disappointed.
"This isn't happening to you for a reason. Well, one reason: I enjoy it."
Christmas gift awaiting🎄✍️
That "I will always be a part of you now" is a horrifying line.
😂"There's a STARK difference between Ramsay and his father." Well put, literally AND figuratively.
My dad was a huge Game of Thrones fan for a long time. He read all the books and watched the entire TV series (at least up to the travesty that was season 8). However, he said that the moment he started to drift away from the book series was when he read what Ramsay did to Theon.
He said that he found that the books described Theon's torture and emasculation in such grotesque and sickening detail that he debated whether or not to skip the pages that described it. After having read the books for myself as of now, I understand what he meant...
The books don't even confirm that he was "emasculated", let alone go into it in detail.
Think in the books theon just shows up as reek, its never explained what ramsey does to him. If i remember correct
A crazy GOT fan and skipped all those part.. Too scary to watch or read
@@celebritytarotreading3545 you didn’t read the book. They’re not even in the book.
@@AdoreYouInAshXI No I did not read the part where ramsey was there cause I watched the series first. And even there I skipped everything
In the epic words of a dinner guest 'a pure psychopath, so rare to capture one alive'
Ramsey Snow/Bolton has earned his place among the most evil sadistic psychopaths on this channel and I'm glad that you did this one VE for he was one of my early votes for a video.
Christmas gift awaiting. 🎄✍️
Nope, alex delarge was way more dereanged and psychopathic, he drugged, beat and raped 10 years old girls in the book
He's misunderstood, ultimately.
The actor who played him was so brilliant. All the villains in the show were brilliant but Ramsey was extra special
There is certainly something to be said about what people do when given power while containing that deadly mixture of ambition, viciousness and competence
Thanks! I have to say. I have been a member since the episode off Darth Vader. I finally am at a point where my wife and I can support the Chanel. No need to post this on your next video. Thank you again. You have opened our lives up to hundreds of movies that we now own.
My pleasure friend, and I appreciate the support! Never a requirement but I’m very grateful and humbled to have made any sort of impact on your lives.
Thank you for covering so much of book Ramsay. I was worried this would only be about the show version. The book version is far more twisted, interesting and evil. He's also much more terrifying both physically and mentally.
Now, please do a video on The Mountain That Rides, Gregor Clegane (and maybe even a dedicated video for Roose Bolton, as he has far more information than in this video as I'm sure you already know)!
Was hoping to see the following covered one day:
- Joe Cooper (Killer Joe)
- Nino Brown (New Jack City)
- Jake "The Muss" Heke (Once Were Warriors)
- The Always Sunny in Philadelphia gang
- more James Bond villains
Always Sunny Gang 😂
Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
I thought Nino Brown was covered way back
The Always Sunny gang would be an interesting group to cover, they’re all morally bankrupt in their own ways!
@@rowleyryan9025 he's not wrong they were sick.
I think Ramsey Bolton character is summed up by his actions in a dance with dragons being that he has to maneuver his way into being lord of the dread fort because his actions previously turned the people of winterfell and hornwood the places he’s lord of against him
Loved how you handled the situation of Ramsey Bolton!Basically something to get through and go on with your own life!
"Ruling by fear, that time is always short"
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Been waiting on this specific episode a while, glad to see Ramsay being covered, without a doubt the most sadistic GOT character. Thanks again Vile Eye 🖤
best villain in the show. the guy just loved being twisted and it was a joy to watch
Loved the actor that played him in previous shows, but he really showed his range as Ramsey. Made my blood boil watching him, which is saying something😂
Torturing Reek to the point he is too afraid of harming Ramsey. That is power. That shaving scene still gets me.
If i am being honest, he was my favourite character of the entire show besides jon. Despite being bastards, they made it pretty far in the GOT universe while being hilariously fun and really enjoyable to watch.
"No one else in the world could match his Sadism and cruelty" somewhere, Maegor the Cruel is laughing.
Not excusing his actions at all but Maegor was somewhat a necessary evil to ensure the targs would survive, Ramsay was just evil
@@satinarmor yeah I've heard this excuse, but actually - no? He didn't really *solve* any of the problems that ensured the Targ dynasty survived, he just delayed them. Future generations and successors had to actually resolve the issues because his one response was brutal violence.
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@@kamalalsb7292 he broke the faith militants. They would have never stopped trying to get rid of the Targs, because of their incest.
@@maxomat4319 IIRC, he broke them *yes*, but the came back not long after and a more permanent agreement had to be established with the faith, specifically the whole law of Targaryen Exceptionalism? The problems with the faith only really calmed down THEN.
I've been wanting this since you did Tywin Lannister! Great video thanks!
Everyone HATES Ramsay Bolton, no questions. Kudos to the actor for an outstanding portrayal of raw evil.
I ❤ Ramsey Bolton
One of the greatest villains in tv history and one of my favorites. Dude was SADISTIC
I'd love to see Little Finger or Book Tyrion. Both can be quite evil but nearly as plainly as Ramsey can be. Great video
I felt so sad for Ramsay when his father was poisoned by his enemies.
me too, it's horrible that they would do that, imagine how Ramsay must have felt 😢
Not a lot of fictional characters are as scary as Ramsay Bolton
When Ramsey says to Sansa: “you can’t kill me, I’m a part of you now.” I see a it from a different perspective. Had Sansa not been so brutalised by Ramsey, she would never have killed him by having his dogs eat him. When she did that, she allowed Ramsey to become a part of her because that is something Ramsey would do. She learned that from Ramsey. So Ramsey won in the end & he did become a part of her because she killed him the way that he taught her.
I assumed she was pregnant
Sansa doesn't carry on with senseless brutality to her enemies or just people in general.
We need more GOT characters analysis
Just always remember: the son is a shadow of the father... Ramsay may be uncontrollable, but that only causes everyone to despise him - Roose does everything Ramsay does, and worse, but keeps his land and people peaceful and so doesnt get caught 💀
Ramsey, like all fictional and real sociopaths, does not deserve sympathy for this simple reason: anger is natural but cruely is a choice.
In the books it's possible that Ramsay is gonna kill his father and half the northern lords by sabotaging the roof of the great hall burying them all under tons of snow.
Its always a great day when you update vile! Please do his father roose next😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉
My hatred of the greyjoys is so great that I think Ramsay is an anti-villain.
I don't go looking for shockingly evil characters but in my experience Id say Ramsey is the most evil
Just to witness the torture would have to make you sick and he actually carries it out with such delight
There was a moment that stuck with me from the series where Sansa and Ramsay were conversing during a sort of struggle for autonomy.. Sansa gets his attention and he looks in her direction from elsewhere but it's like he was still elsewhere- blank expression, even mean looking.. then his eyes return to the present and he puts a smile on.. at that moment it was like the mask was briefly off, but also like he switched personalities when prompted, and it was such a high calibre bit of detailed character acting that i thought it worth a mention.
I have been waiting for this for a long time, thank you 😊
He's the definition of evil.
Loved the vid! Cannot wait for the next episode on Sauron. Could a potential episode on Ramses from The Prince of Egypt be seen on the horizon?
Damn! This one was overdue. I feel like you let off easy. Ramsay from the book and show is one of the most vile and evil characters I can think of (The Harkonens of Dune are runners up only by virtue of a dearth of materials describing their acts. Great video!
You covered Twyin Lannister, Joffery Baratheon, and Ramsay Bolton. The only Game of Thrones characters left to cover are Lord Petyr Bealish, Walder Frey, and Cersie Lannister.
Euron greyjoy (the real euron, not that idiot talking about fingers in bums that D&D invented) too. Also I don't think walder frey has enough to talk about in either book or show to be honest. I'm not even sure he could truly be considered evil, to me he's just a morally corrupt antagonist, no different to for example balon greyjoy or some of the wildlings. When you think about it what does he do that's evil?
He kills thousands at a wedding? OK but they are fighting for a king who sent the biggest "fuck you" possible to him, after he spent his entire 90 year old life getting fuck yous from greater lords
He's creepy towards women? OK but that describes most westerosi lords.
He's allied with the boltons and lannisters? OK but so are the tyrells and to some extent even the martells.
Do you know how many sinister characters are in GOT? Lmao, and there’s 10x as many in the books
Wonderful video Vile! If possible it would be so awesome to see you cover Handsome Jack from “Borderlands 2”, Majora from “legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask” and/or Kerrigan from “StarCraft”
Thank you for all that you do!
Holy shit i didnt even realize he hadnt covered this character yet! This just made my day. I have something of a morvid curiosity when it comes ro torture because the idea of it terrifies me so much. Because of this ramsay is one of my favorite characters of all time.
I absolutely DESPISED this twerp. What he did to Theon is just horrific
The predator example is still spot-on, I mix-up psychopath/sociopath frequently. As for future videos, I'll repeat some good ones I've mentioned in the past: Fernand Montego from "Count of Monte Cristo" (especially the 2004 movie), Gaston from "Beauty & the Beast" (animated preferably), and Top Dollar from "The Crow.
EDIT: Maybe, for 'April Fools' or the like, you could feature some villains from comedic works who are still great villains to analyze. Like Biff Tannen from "Back to the Future", Shooter McGavin from "Happy Gilmore", and Forge Fitzwilliam from "Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves".
Very well said! I've often found myself comparing the Bolton duo and their individual approaches to evil while watching the show. There's a very noticeable distinction between them and you've perfectly explained it. Roose is DEFINITELY the psychopath able to deceive enemies while Ramsay is more of a sociopath. This was highlighted during the events of the Red Wedding as Roose was able to appear as a friend and even openly converse with Cat over dinner.
Another great video Mr. Vile.. 12:35 A perfect example of this difference could be Tuco and Lalo Salamanca. One an unhinged sociopath, the other a charismatic psychopath.
The actor who played him is incredible. Before playing Ramsay Bolton, he played a kind, dim witted and super naive and unlucky neighbor to two old gay dudes on a sitcom in Britain, One of the main characters was Sir Ian McKellan. The role was so different and he behaved so differently that it took me a long time to realize it was the same dude who played RamsaY!
This was a good analysis, I’m looking forward to the video on Euron Crows Eye as he is very similar but is much more intelligent and larger in his scale when you look at The Forsaken Winds sample chapter which is one of the scariest chapters in the series.
I thought the show's Ramsey was a disgusting psychopath, but then I read the books, and oh boy, his barbaric wild sociopathic behaviour there was even more terrifyingly cruel.
Ramsay's brutality, in addition to the pleasure it brings him, seems calculated to so terrify his enemies that they will be afraid to oppose him. All stick and no carrot.
Villain Suggestions:
Arnold Toht - Indiana Jones
Emperor Belos - The Owl House
Fenrir Greyback - Harry Potter
G-Man - Half Life
Graviton - Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Hydra - Marvel Cinematic Universe
The Plague Doctor - SCP Foundation
Surprising to see the amount of Ramsey-Joffrey comparisons in the comments. Ramsey-Euron is much more interesting to me
This guy has really found his voice. I really like his pace and tone in this video
How the Starks and the North tolerated the Boltons for so long never made sense to me.
Because they were almost as powerful as the starks if no as powerful as them. They had a war a long time ago and nearly destroyed each other. Owned a lot of land and the dreadfort as well as a lot of soldiers. Also iirc the annihilation of an entire house is pretty frowned upon
Because after the starks subjugated the boltons the boltons kept the whole flaying thing on the down low, only really being public with it when they were fighting stark enemies or more specifically in the main series.
@@CodeeXD I get that but I felt that they had plot armor as a house in the north for the story's sake. If they were this big menace, it would have been the North's best interest to band together and get rid of them. Years ago.
@@mappingshaman5280 They were killing Starks for years and years but the North always just let them stay until the main storyline. Yes they fought but if u flaying houses all this time and the most hated, I would think that wouldn't be tolerated in that world.
@b_e_thecreative they stopped killing starks after the greystark rebellion though and just kept on the DL. Besides there are other houses in other regions with similar histories to their overlords. House ulller and House yronwood to House martell, house Royce to House arryn etc.
Do you think you'll ever cover the High Sparrow? I'm not sure if 'evil' is the correct word to describe him but he's definitely one of the more complex villain in the series.
Nah. He wasn't evil. Just your run-of-the-mill religious zealot.
He’s not easy to understand
He's interesting because he's an antagonist, but an antagonist to Cersei who is absolutely a villain. So is he a villain? Not necessarily. But he's certainly not a hero or protagonist. Anti-villain maybe?
Finally!! I’ve been waiting on this one for ages! Thank you 🙏
I don't know if it's because winter is coming, but this gave me a good chill down my spine. Definitely an evil bastard that I wouldn't want to be associated with.
you know a character is horrible when vile eye starts the video by saying that he could not mention some of the character's action in this video
I’m not a big GOT fan but the fact you make this interesting is a statement of how good your videos are. Again Vile please do one on Nina Meyers from “24” and/or Jenny Schecter from “The L Word.” Two villains who are as cold as they are evil.
You're 100 percent correct about Ramsay Bolton! Your analysis is so detailed and ACCURATE that it gives me NO DOUBTS about Dredford's Bastard's psychoanalytic description.
Absolutely loved this episode. I know I've banged on about it the past but the flow of these videos now are so silky smooth my man. You've come far from when you first started and I love the fact you continue to improve, and make very engaging content. On top of that, I think your steady rise says a lot about this TH-cam channel. Grown organically, through sheer determination and dedication.
Christmas gift awaiting.🎄✍️
Another day another Vile Eye W. Thank you for your work, man
His armor in a song of ice and fire is so metal. He truly deserves his moniker beast in human skin.
I always felt that the description of Roose's and Ramsay's eyes as being the colour of ice was hinting at something more disturbring about these characters that GRRM is yet to reveal...possibly a relation to the Others?
You know, I always considered Ramsey the psychopath, and Roose the sociopath. But after this well detailed video, I see it's the other way around.
Listens to the symptoms of ASPD
"Ah shit I don't have a disorder, I'm just an asshole!"
Been requesting this one for SO LONG! Thanks vile!
Perhaps now it is my characters turn
Perhaps now it is my characters turn
The actor that played Ramsey was incredible. Dude actually makes your skin crawl with a smile. Truly fantastic portrayal of a sadist.
24:45 according to the sample chapters of the winds of winter that have already come out, one of which is a Theon chapter, Stannis ain't finished yet. As a matter of fact, he gets a loan from the bank of Braavos to buy sellswords and has already dismantled the trap the Boltons and Karstarks had set for him. Also, it is implied the Boltons are in much worse shape inside Winterfell, given that everyone in the castle wants to kill everyone else 😂