Police system is 'broken,' says serving officer | LBC
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- "I am ashamed to be a police officer...The whole system is broken. Our leadership is awful."
A serving policeman calls into LBC to describe how spending cuts have affected the force.
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This is what happens when a small group of people who only care about themselves are left in charge.
Soooo..... any politician?
This is what happens when your demographics are squeed - too many oldies not enough young….that’s all this is. Left / Right / Up / Down
But they got posh voices tho
you mean jews?
👃
"You pay peanuts, you get monkeys."
This single sentence, couldn't better describe how hideously bad our Police force has become.
Sounds about right for the NHS as well!
Peanuts? ... and what do they do for those "Peanuts" ... Nothing!! but bleat!. You don't find them complaining when it comes to taking a decent pension off the tax payer for a life time of dodging work! ... you must be a copper!! or know nothing
Police service its no longer called police Force 😢
....but they and he are not paid peanuts.
@@kevinparker461police do nothing all day?? I wish.
As a police officer of 8 years, I agree. It is the blind leading the blind and this at times includes me.
Everything is broken
I would suggest getting a real job
Have you tried buying less avocado toast and Starbucks?
I know a dc and he says the same. He wants out early, but the Tories stole c30% of his pension in recent years.
@@fulltimeonfire8536 lol I’m not the one!
As a retired Met Officer I WHOLLY agree with this guy. Politicians and the absolute DREGGS that seem to pass for senior officers these days are totally responsible for this.
Diversity quota's.
@@tommccabe8441 What? Grow up and listen.
@@sjewitt22 I listen to the uncomfortable truth all the time
Andy what's our future and where do you honestly see crime and athnic crime going ? If you want to answer .
"20 years and I'm on less than 60K a year."
Wow. Level of entitlement whilst being the UK's biggest criminal gang energy is strong.
Try doing a useful job that doesn't involve bullying and exploitation - 60K is a decent salary.
It really feels like a golden age to be a criminal at the moment.
🤣🤣🤣
The lefty's have caused all this
It is trust me I’m making too much money off the old baileys incompetence
Looking at the Tory party, it looks like that that might have been the plan all along.
Look at the spread of teenage gangs, "postcode gangs", showing even in peaceful middle-class suburbs such as Ruislip. In a few years those kids will be adult, experienced professional criminals. You THINK you are joking, but you are seeing the rise of a whole structured class of organized crime in England.
The Tories have broken every single part of this country. We need to wake up and realise we are now a failed state and the rebuilding will take decades.
Oh dear, a countryman of mine who emigrated to your country used to start every post by proclaiming that my Caribbean island is a failed state!
I'd love for him to see your post!
You're not yet a failed state (neither are we) but you are a bit further along than we are, it seems. And after we made you all that slavery money too!
What's your excuse?
It's what they do.
@@mandyharewood886 didn't make my ancestors any money from slavery, they weren't from the UK and only came here a couple of generations ago, but it's a fair point and reparations from slavery have never been taken seriously enough. A little bit off topic though.
Don't hold your breath on that. There are still lots of self centered, chest beating, greedy people in Britain who will vote for them.
Sadly, the next government won't get a chance to fix it as they will only get 5 or 10 years until the dimwits of this country vote the Tories in again when the adult comics tell them to and they will just start where they left off.
My brother is currently training with the Met. From what he's told me, they expect you to be fully able to handle all circumstances after a 4 month stint in the classroom at uni. It's a joke.
Yep, it takes longer training to become a hairdresser than it does a police officer
Hair dressing is a skill, that's why
@@zedan4 That's the US.
No onsite trains by with an experienced professional?
On the streets after 12 weeks in Scotland.
I worked as a CSI for the police until 2015. My department was cut by a third because "we weren't front line staff", which we clearly were. By the time I chose to leave there weren't enough CSIs on duty to attend non -serious crimes. Yet somehow the department had actually expanded its number of managers and those managers "helped" us by producing more and more unnecessary paperwork for us to complete.
Same in health boatd
@@annemoncrieff3875 whilst you do need admin people in NHS,police, nurses, doctors you don't need interval market.
They turned you into the civil service and the result will be more and more people taking the law into their own hands when they don't see justice.
@@barryevans791 then they should be goaled for a very long time
@@markbriten6999 nobody gets jailed for a very long time any more. You would be lucky if the crime gets investigated.
Officers like this gentleman need the oxygen of publicity. Thanks for giving him the opportunity to describe the situation while remaining anonymous.
The sad reality is, in the age of information, people will feel it for 2 minutes and then forget about his speech after that and move on with life...
ACAB.. the oath makes that true.
@@nospoon4799 I wouldn't trust one word coming out of a coppers mouth, well trained liars!!. Most are Freemasons, & that aint cheap!. But a copper who swears an oath to King & country & then goes & swears another which cancels it out with the masons is NOT to be trusted!!. I asked one copper if he was a mason & he denied it (Taught to be cautious) A mason i knew spoke of him to me & told me he knows him from the local Lodge!! ... Never trust a copper, EVER!!
@@kevinparker461 Too right. They are all masons none are to be trusted at all. In my own experience a police officer a drugdealer a solicitor and a bank manager (all masons) stole over a million pounds in life insurance and property from me. The same people have committed many murders over the years. Plenty of child abuse also. When I reported it all, the death threats started I have had many attempts o my life the past few years. I don't even go out now.
I left in 2017 after 28 years and don't miss one minute of it. This guy's got it bang on. I couldn't stand it any longer.....
Corruption is the true enemy of the people.
Tories are the true enemy of the people.
Add willful ignorance & indifference.
The police are enemies of the people
Human's are the true enemy, alot have no respect for most things on this planet including other humans.
@@staciasmith5162 and free masonry!
About 15 years ago a senior police officer said that a police service was a reflection of a society.
I think that could be the case, unfortunately.
Broken down into sections.
100% That's exactly right. The police service is as dysfunctional as the society it recruits from.
The senior police officer also said that it's easy to be a cop in a totaliranian state but in a democracy there are rules to be observed ie its not simple.
Yeah blame society for the police blindly following the government's orders and abusing the public.
The issue is poor training no accountability and hiring too many egotistical morons.
The same government who have brought the country to its knee's...
He’s spot on. I’m ex probation 15 years in the service and it’s broke, the government sold off 75% then when they finally realised that selling the service off to private sector caused more deaths mainly because offenders were not supervised properly. This is because staff were given 5 minutes with offenders. Then they took it back into probation and wanted to pay people half the salary. They lost all their best staff and will never get them back so it’s only going to get worse.
they had hannor jackson in coventry housing the bailed criminals .the houses wasa hub for criminals and she turned out to be a cokehead .ended uo jailed for robbing pregnant womens deposits and struck off every charity in coventry accept the deperty head of the tory council gave her a job in his homeless charity langaar aid .guess what she was doing on the sly there marcus tried to deny what i seen with my own eyes .homeles stand no chance in coventry with this going on.
The tory government sold you and the rest of us.
@@alexanderevanska4274 is why I’m voting REFORM. They seem to be the only party that cares about british people British values and immigration how it’s destroying our country and society not to mention putting our children and women in danger
I'm on probation. I'm an IPP. It doesn't matter if I see my probation officer for 5 minutes 10 minutes or 24 hours. She can't stop me from doing crime. I don't do crime because I chose not to. I have a legit job that I like.
My wife is ex-probation. What you said is spot on.
i had a young female police officer around 18-20 turn up to my house after some idiot on a dirt bike (that wasn't road legal), smashed into the back of my car and ran away. i chased the guy to his address as he only lived a few streets away and called the police and she turned up. she kept telling me that she would have to go back to the station and speak with her Sergeant to see if it was even a crime or not. i told her, it's a crime as he fled the scene, has no insurance or a road legal vehicle and didn't have a licence (assumed as he looked about 15). i said you need to go around to the persons address and speak with them as i am pressing charges for damage to my car, AND SHE REFUSED TO GO TO HIS ADDRESS!! Her response was, "i'm on my own and i'm small so i am not going there on my own..." SO WHY IS SHE OUT ON HER OWN WITH NO CLUE ON WHAT THE LAW IS AND ISN'T GOING TO ACTUALLY QUESTION CRIMINALS WITHOUT OTHERS THERE?! Absolute shambles our police as i have been chasing this up for weeks and keep getting a response that they're busy with other things...
I was charged with cannabis possession (first offence, completely clean record otherwise) at 35 years old. I wanted to avoid it going on my record as I have a massive history of community work and get DBS checked a lot. The police told my solicitor that because drug treatments have been decimated there was no longer a way I could seek treatment over getting a caution. However, if I'd been caught with a needle sticking out my arm I'd have been able to get treatment and avoid the caution.
The worst part is I do community work and work with kids (I teach martial arts) because it helps me feel connected to people and actually reduces my desire to use cannabis. Now any future enhanced DBS's will show this and put that work at risk. Completely counter-productive and hasn't reduced the likelihood that I'll continue to use it one bit.
Broken system.
don't worry, simple possession does not show up on a DBS check, trust me I have had a few done
Similar situation, but in my case the copper who was stood in my house said 'if you want to do things like that you can move to North korea'...
The conversation went down hill from that point onward.
And they wonder why their service is 'broken', theh activly employ rw loons.
@J AM84 Believe me they tried super hard to get me to talk and incriminate myself further aiming for cultivation/intent to supply but I kept my mouth entirely shut and let the solicitor handle it.
Copper was visibly gutted when he realised he wan't getting his face on the front page of the local, rural paper and only getting a possession charge.
And yeah, probably would have been even worse if I was black.
If only there was something you could've done to avoid this, if I have alcohol or drugs in my system I'll lose my job, so guess what, I don't do them, don't be such a baby and cry about how there wasn't a loophole to get away with something you shouldn't be doing
Ah man, I feel for you. Really hope it doesn't end up holding you back.
Wow I’m only half way through and he’s so right! I spent 35years working within the criminal justice system and social care and he’s 💯 correct!
you all educated and trained, to comply and follow.... not like you will change, that means job insecurity and everything else that comes with it.
you ain't Joan d'Arc. You won't risk your everyday life and reputation to change for the safer with proactive measures.
I retired, after thirty years, several years ago from GMP - I couldn't wait to leave. From personal experience the caller nails many significant problems within policing that unfortunately will take years to repair. Those responsible have left the service themselves having showered each other with medals, awards and other honours. They have never been held accountable.
He [the caller] does not touch on other significant issues regarding culture and corruption but to his credit he didn't need to in this segment.
Those who spoke out about the decline of the police were hunted, excoriated and investigated.
we not got police we got baiters turning up to see crackheads assualting me in my home during covid their answer was if i make a statement ill get arrested this was pc bird in coventry.they later tried to poison my dog i was forced to leave 2 weeks later one of the crackhead died of a smack over dose.acording to the police i was picking on a poor old frial lady .my third compaint o the chief of police went missing and i watched his pcso mouthy wife jacklynn bird get rewards for services to the area .i asked audits to check her out she and him need setting up they are blatent.and how do your serve 30 years in the police force and already a pc i do not know.
Diversity is our strength remember.
@@tommccabe8441 just say the words you actually you mean you scumbag
When you say, "other significant issues regarding culture and corruption", do you mean things like the following?
FOI 00247 - Office of Constable sworn oath
Responded:16 March 2021
"The Police Federation of England and Wales can confirm that every police officer, whatever rank, holds the Office of Constable. The Office of Constable is not a rank; it relates to the independence of the police officer; they are not employees, but servants of the Crown. All police officers swear allegiance to the Crown through the Oath that they take at their attestation ceremony."
The Wild West: The Magistrates Court:
"The truth is that the entire case in favour of magistrates courts as we currently run them, is a sham. There is little sustainable rationale for their existence in principle, and no justification whatsoever for the way in which these courts operate in practice. There is no excuse for the amateur, sausage-factory paradigm of Justice and "that'll do" complacency that pervades 94% of criminal cases, other than the most cynical political trinity: its cheap, it's the way we've always done it and no one who votes either knows or cares. And the more you experience magistrates' courts justice, and interrogate the base assumption of this system, the less explicable the whole pantomime becomes."
The Secret Barrister
"it remains the case that the Police disciplinary system is inherently biased in favour of the Police; in fact I would go as far as to say that the unwritten mission statement of most Professional Standards Departments is not to root out, but rather to protect corrupt Officers and to make excuses for Police misbehaviour. Certainly this seems to be the practical result of most Police Complaint investigations that I have witnessed."
Iain Gould- Actions Against the Police Solicitor
The 2015 HM Inspector of Constabulary report [4] into corruption barely mentions cover-up at all but the closest it comes is interesting:
“2.44. When corruption is uncovered there is a tendency within organisations, including the police service, to suggest or imply that the problem is one that is confined to a few rogue members or what are sometimes referred as ‘bad apples’. However, the history of policing has too many examples of institutionalised corruption for this view to carry much credence. Morever, the notion of ‘bad apples’ narrows the scope of attention, often directing concern away from others and implies that, barring the individual ‘bad apples’, everything in the organisation is ethically sound. The literature suggests that this is rarely the case and that maintaining such a view is damaging to the health of the police service”
@@ony583 Beautifully written; you clearly have an in-depth knowledge of the police and wider criminal justice system. Your summary of the police complaints/investigatory system is remarkable and accurate. Without acknowledgement of how broken these systems are I fear that there will be no end to the problem(s) or damaged people that it produces.
The prison service wasn't mentioned . It's also been decimated . Experienced officers took a redundancy package , now the government are unable to recruit and retain in a service that is recognised as one of the most stressful occupations in the country and one of the most dangerous environments to work in Europe .
This government has trashed the Criminal justice system,once the envy of the world now unfit for purpose .
the police endlessly scream and cry about being 'assaulted' at work... prison officers are just forgotten about.
Currently employed in the police service and have to agree with this fella.
Every night we're hoping the wheels don't come off and that we don't get a major incident, as we're desperately short of resources to even deal with regular 999 calls.
Police stations falling to bits, leaks, old airwave radio handsets bought from other forces because we couldn't afford to buy our own.
No road policing unit on duty overnight any more. Lucky if we have one dog unit on duty sometimes, often having to travel to a burglary in progress from the other side of the county.
Forever increasing pressure from government to do more but dwindling resources to do it. Cuts to pay, no money for overtime. Morale through the floor.
Yes, the Tories promote themselves as the party of law and order. But its easy to make headline-grabbing laws. It's another thing having a criminal justice system behind it that works effectively.
Shame on the government. But yet if an MP gets broken into they would expect an officer to be at their door within minutes. A shocking situation
Well for years the police have covered up the abuse of children in the care system. The police have become the criminals.
Yet, you can afford to send out hundreds of TSG thugs to demos during covid - punching, kicking, stamping on and batoning peaceful protesters hmm
I live in a hipster area and the police arrived within an hour because my car was polluting too much. But they don’t turn up fir muggings
I don’t work for the police, but the day I knew it was broken was when my friends had over a hundred pounds’ worth of stuff stolen by another former friend (so we knew who it was and even screenshots of them admitting they had it and the phrase “if you can’t break people, break the possessions they once owned”).
When we called the police, the officer very reluctantly told us they could do nothing because it wasn’t “in the public interest”.
@@tayetrotman yep I had a bike robbed the other year - knew the guy, knew the place he lived in cos I'd figured it out off my own back, then suddenly a police car goes by so I flagged it down to stop - told the guy and he literally said 'ahh mate I dunno, maybe report it to the police station?' so I just laughed in his face and went off to deal with it on my own. Could have got a bit sticky too tbh, some nasty scottish bag head
I'm a serving police constable coming up to 20 years.
Everything he says is bang on. No exaggeration. It is aweful.
Which is why I'm leaving too
I retired early in 2018 & i've been asked to return twice now. The first letter had my name wrong, only worked in the Organisation for 28 Years.....says it all really.
And they wonder why people who have retired don't want to go back?
I don't think they have a clue! I had to give a statement about a ram raid I witnessed, I received a letter from the police saying my statement had put someone behind bars for assault, in a town that's 150miles away, nothing to do with a ram raid!
They spelled it Henny didn’t they.
They speak to type .
No, "Mr Grota". I'm not joking either.
@@stephenhenning2538 hey why don’t you rejoin as DS Grotta .then you get two pensions : they’ll never find out will they lets face it lol
Everything is broken here, the government always turns a blind eye and no one's cares unless you're made of money
It’s broken for idiots and free loaders ! If everyone had respect and acted accordingly, we would be fine . The real reason for the demise of this country is far simpler - mass immigration!! It’s not a mystery, import the third world become the third world .
It´s not just the police. It is everywhere in the UK. The "experience" is gone.
Outsider looking in: It all must be done with pennies. It always has to be cheaper. If it can't be done public, privatise. You can see it with roads, NHS, police, other public services.
It's all part of the plan wef are goner destroy the uk ,Europe and the US
100% spot on
As an ex Prison Officer it’s exactly the same the Tory government has destroyed the service
Over the last 10 years the amount of experience officers that left is incredible
How this guy speaks mirrors the prison service it’s just not in the news. The forgotten service
Same with the Army too... so many regiments have been amalgamated and battalions lost - now its no longer able to defend the country
Got to agree with Paul C served from 1970 to 2000 every year got that little bit worse i would not go back as a prison officer for a gold clock they could stuff it were the sun dont shine
I was chatting to a prison officer the other day, she said she was in charge of a whole wing and due to recent cuts was sometimes the Only Officer In The Whole Wing! She was about 5 feet tall btw, crazy
Prison officers and Police vote Tory.. you shot yourself in the foot
@@DevilbyMoonlight Zero help for veterans either... don't join the army
As a black man who's been stopped and searched a number of times for 'fitting a description' I can say that my interactions with the more experienced officers have always been more pleasant and and only once felt like an abuse of power. I'm glad I left the country though as I've not been stopped once in 6 years now and I'm even more of a minority here.
You should be prepared to immediately ask what the description is. They should have an answer they can readily supply if they have stopped you on the basis that you fit said description.
That is why I'm glad my mother returned to the Caribbean with me as a child. I am entitled to British citizenship but I didn't want it. My son and I don't "fit the description" here. We don't suffer that humiliation.
@@LoveProWrestling Brilliant!
One description I was given was "IC3 with earrings, you ain't going no where!!" And that was on Christmas day after I approached them for directions. Would you like another?
I was arrested cuffed and put in the back of a car for "going equipped"
With a paperclip....
This guy is brilliant, and the Tories are doing exactly the same thing in health and teaching but at least we can strike.
A copper striking wouldn’t work. It’s the complete antithesis of what the police are for
@@sjthjsdreadfather4867 I agree, I mean to say that the only reason health workers aren't in quite as bad a position is because of our ability to strike.
I'm not advocating that the police should be able to legally strike.
That suggests that the police force is going to be privatised also. Even more worrying.
All sides are wrong, we cannot win
I left teaching because of this, its a farce, and they keep telling the public that they are investing and its all rosey. Get them out ! And dont get me started on Brexit
I retired 4 or 5 years ago now and I was with the Met for 30 years as a PC. I was proud of my service and spent nearly my whole career as street copper. I agree wholeheartedly with the caller. He's 100% correct. The job I loved and was proud to be a part of is finally and permanently ruined.
As a Cop with 26yrs on the street the job is ABSOLUTELY BROKEN. 52% of new recruits are leaving within 18 months. THAT IS A CRISIS.
Same thing has happened in Education. Older, more experienced, ‘more expensive’ teachers made redundant/pensions tinkered with and so left. Replaced with less experienced, ‘cheaper’ Newly Qualified Teachers. So much experience and knowledge not passed on and lost. A sad state of affairs that I assume happens in most industries. Unbelievably short sighted and won’t end well… 😒
That's what happens when grifters get into office.
It's happening across the length and breadth of the public sector, from schools to universities to hospitals to councils, and it is being done by people who wave Union Jacks and talk about their love for their country as if they actually have any. The Tories would sell half the population into slavery if they could get away with it. They care less about the average person on the street than the immigrants crossing the channel on boats. That won't stop a sizable number of the British public voting for them in the vain hope that someday, somehow, their lives will improve. Useful idiots they are and useful idiots they will remain.
The next generation is going to have to start over from less.
Facts, I am only 34 and I have been older than most of my daughters teachers since she went to primary school seven years ago
@@Alex21441 You're older than many heads of faculties at schools. But why stay working 60 hour weeks in your 40s on 40K when you can go do something easier for less hours for 60K?
Western Australian state Government hiring Police Officers now. First class constable (5 years service) $92,000.00.
"I can't begin to tell you"
Then tells you exactly how it is. Thoroughly and convincingly.
My elderly mother in law’s front door got kicked in, quarter past ten at night. He walked straight upstairs. She awoke to find the burglar in her bedroom. He left behind the drawstring from his hoody that got caught on the bed as he pushed her and ran. It wasn’t deemed serious enough of a crime to dust for prints or swab the drawstring for DNA.
I bet she has PTSD from that. If she did it should be treated as a GBH also. So they have to investigate or can be sued for breaching her human rights.
A big dog 🐕
Hope she's ok must have been terrifying
Was your elderly mother arrested for thinking bad thoughts about the burglar, if not she got off lightly as they have plenty of resources to do that.
See also medicine, teaching, local authorities (which includes social care), border force, military. Presumably, in fact, the whole public infrastructure.
Every single point this gentleman makes is not only true, it's also completely correct to say of teaching, nursing, doctors, social care, a number of civil service departments, job centres, barristers. The entire bedrock of the nation has been eroded savagely by the last 13 years of austerity.
And political correctness.
@@tommccabe8441 are you mad? Who do you think's been in government?
@@tommccabe8441 political correctness does nothing, and doesn't measure on the same Richter scale as the death, misery and collateral damage of austerity policy.
@@hubub2475 political correctness prevents people from pointing out what is right in front of their very own eyes, it's a problem.
@hubub247 the now privatised postal service is also in the same situation too. Years of chronic underfunding has led to undersized and falling apart offices and unsuitable and breaking equipment, years of below inflation pay rises, destruction of pensions and a massive loss in workers. And it's the experienced ones that get forced out. Now whilst the consequences aren't as consequential, it goes to show just how endemic this problem is.
A few days ago I was pondering how to tackle a little problem I had with my daughter whilst doing some washing. It was just something small, how I could discuss with her how to let go of things when it is important too. She is 10 and is a little stubborn but is a beautiful, caring, and clever child. LBC was playing in the back I can't remember what it was but it was something about Dominic Rabb. I realized, most of these Conservative MPs have had nannies, opare, and sent off to boarding school, they probably traveled the world without mummy and daddy a lot in their teens. I doubt for one second that many of their parents sat and pondered something so small to help make them better people so that society is better in the future. Most of them never had a consistent parent around them so they will never understand how we live. Also, the fact that they have never had money troubles, Dom said that nobody has money worries it's just a cash flow problem. They just think that we are all moaning and lazy because their parents sent them away and told them that will make them better than anyone. But really it was because they had business deals and leisure days with businessmen to get on with instead of loving their children. Now we all have to deal with rich adults who have daddy issues.
They hate the police that much might be true but the fact for me is that they hate everyone who does not look like them and who might be a threat to their money/bank accounts/deals/opportunities, The majority of us.
(Please excuse my bad language, I am dyslexic and so writing is not my best skill)
I've always wanted to replace the 'How much is a pint of milk' question with "How many times, in your entire life, have you cleaned a toilet, done your own laundry, or done your own cleaning up after a meal?"
@@TheSlowPianist It's actually such a simple question but the answer speaks a thousand words and I'm pretty sure we all know the answer.
My mum worked for the Police in an office in Sheffield. it was freezing in winter and boiling in summer. she found a dual role heater/air con system for a few hundred quid and asked if it could be purchased. the bureaucrats got involved and got one on a minimum of six months hire. it was a three phase kit that couldn't be operated on a simple domestic socket like the one she had sourced but it had been ordered and the contract signed so it sat in the corner and was used to stack paperwork on. they paid more per month then it would have cost to buy the one unit she sourced outright. this simple case of bureaucracy in the policing system shows how ridiculous the whole system is.
It only takes a generation to lose a skill. The organisational skill in policing, armed forces, local government, education and health has been massively diminished
They want this, they don't want consent policing 🤷♂️
Sounds like the Republican party that freaks out once they hear "defund the police" to stop the incompetence
They want corporate policing. Do as you're told or else type stuff.
@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313 Just look at what has happened in the blue leaning states where the police were defunded, antifa were running rampant, shops were being smashed up and police cars were being set on fire.
@@trevcoleman1473 With private profits being made...
@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313 shut up leftist loon.
School failure will infect every aspect of life.
Not always so. They teach a lot of lies in school. On another note, my Dad's headmaster used to give him sixpence for whenever he attended to encourage him to return. He was too busy working at 10 years old to provide for his family, to attend. He used to stay out and fish in the cold and wet so they could eat, find sticks for firewood to sell and was down in the mines at an early age. He's rich now, worked extremely hard, not much of a school education but knows how to make money.
Same thing happened with the navy. It was 45k strong in '97 when I joined. 4 years later, it was down to 20k. All the experience left & there was a retention problem afterwards, as the job became harder without it being passed on to the babies. An elderly Greek dockyard worker once remarked how we were a shadow of our former self after laughing at a shoddy attempt at craning items onboard - that was 20 years ago. Can only imagine it's in a far worse condition now.
Yea and even those aren't all on ships as the ships need less crew
Prison service the same
@@bobjary9382 What's the difference between Royal Navy & prison?
- There's an increased risk of drowning in HMRN 🐙🦈🇬🇧🌊🧜♂️🐳⚓
@@poiutrew 😁
@@poiutrewlol
Well said, sir. Almost everything that is wrong with the Police Service today can be traced back to 2010 onwards. Cameron, Osborne & May, ably assisted by the wannabe cop Tom Winsor have sent policing into freefall. And anyone who thinks the Tories are the party of law and order needs their head examining. It will take years to recover, if it happens at all.
What do you think of the Community Behavioural Orders, Criminal Behavioural Orders and ASBOs that came out under Tony Blair?
Winsor has alot to answer for . He decimated the police pensions and brought in unpopular reforms when he had done that he moved onto the Fire Service Inspectorate to try and do a hatchet job there .
He is 100% correct. I did 26 years in the Prison Service and it’s exactly the same. All the experience has gone and been replaced with people with no prison craft whatsoever resulting in jails being poorly run and out of control. Unfortunately the whole criminal justice system is in turmoil due to government underfunding and mismanagement. Can it be resurrected? The simple answer is no !
Exactly the same is happening in the NHS. Due to a disastrous pensions overhaul we've had experienced consultants retiring early because they'd end up poorer if they carried on working! When they retire early all their knowledge and experience retires with them, I don't blame them, I blame the government.
The answer is more refugees. Need to hand out more tax money to refugees. Also need to hand out more money to other countries.
And the rest, don't pretend the Government are the only cause of the problems within the NHS.
Why the squalid cover-ups in the NHS?
The NHS cover-up deaths from negligence and bully anyone who tries to blow the whistle when anyone ties to bring to light failings of putting patients’ lives at risk.
There is a culture of bullying, intimidation and lies in the NHS reaching to the very top and If any one tries to uncover bad practices their messages go unanswered, or are stonewalled.
Patients died needlessly through NHS incompetence and negligence by the staff.
The NHS could/have commissioned psychiatric reports that labels people - wholly falsely - as a paranoid schizophrenic if they try to blow the whistle. It is of course, the old Soviet Union which was given to silencing its critics by certifying them as insane.
Roger Davidson lost his job as the CQC’s head of media and public affairs just before the 2010 General Election after revealing that one quarter of NHS trusts had failed to meet basic hygiene standards.
The NHS and everyone associated with them attempt to 'restore public confidence in the NHS', by lying.
At the very root lies an appalling litany of serial incompetence, indifference and even cruelty by front-line staff. Let us not forget the dreadful events themselves in Morecambe Bay hospitals, where at least 16 babies and two mothers are estimated to have died through neglect, and in Mid Staffs, neglect and cruelty reached such a pitch that patients drank from flower vases to relieve their thirst.
14 hospitals were investigated for unusually high death rates. And we know from example after sickening example that too many elderly patients are treated all too frequently with a callousness that defies belief.
While thousands of NHS staff are highly professional and dedicated, far too many have simply lost the ethic of caring, and these failings are not being addressed; because what rules in the NHS, from top to bottom, is a culture of ruthless unaccountability in which the buck stops nowhere.
Patients have no power to vote with their feet - as they do in insurance-based systems. Meanwhile, the regulators developed into a crazily spiralling bureaucracy answerable to no one and looking after their own interests instead.
The NHS wash their hands of responsibility when things went wrong, Instead, they dump that burden upon the myriad quangos set up for that purpose -while wrapping themselves in the mantle of the potent NHS myth as Britain’s sanctified temple of compassion and altruism, as a result, the entire service knows it has to conspire to pretend that everything was for the best in the best of all possible health care systems - and anyone trying to tell the truth is threatened with the sack, gagged when they left or otherwise bullied by amoral apparatchiks.
The CQC cannot be put right because the NHS cannot be put right for the root of this moral and professional corruption is that the entire bureaucracy of the NHS - up through the Secretary of State to the Prime Minister himself - conspires to tell the public the big lie that the NHS remains a national treasure because no other system matches it for decency and compassion, in fact, the opposite is true. And until that fact is honestly faced and its consequences translated into a radical rethink of healthcare delivery, the horror voiced in official circles at Morecambe Bay, Mid Staffs and the rest will be no more than crocodile tears.
100% facts being spoken. It broke me after 15 years. I jumped but to another public agency, and it's just as bad. Zero funding and morale as low as a whales belly.
Lot of coppers I know went into local government, specifically housing. It's alot less stressful and pays OK. However even that sector is getting shafted by the Tories
As someone who worked for Kent police, usual cycle was Funding cut, first to be cut is civilian staff.motepolice stuck doing paperwork. Public complain about no visible police presence, so they give extra funding for replacement civilian staff. Who then get cut when funding get reduced. Rinse and repeat. Meanwhile, officers suffer burnout with reduced numbers and reduced experience.
I’m a retired Sgt, and so glad I am I cannot imagine life in the job now. As caller states there’s a huge lack of experience and supervision .
Give me that puppy, please.
As a serving police officer with 27+ years, this guy is spot on with the state of U.K. policing from my experience.
Do you agree with the following?
FOI 00247 - Office of Constable sworn oath
Responded:16 March 2021
"The Police Federation of England and Wales can confirm that every police officer, whatever rank, holds the Office of Constable. The Office of Constable is not a rank; it relates to the independence of the police officer; they are not employees, but servants of the Crown. All police officers swear allegiance to the Crown through the Oath that they take at their attestation ceremony."
The Wild West: The Magistrates Court:
"The truth is that the entire case in favour of magistrates courts as we currently run them, is a sham. There is little sustainable rationale for their existence in principle, and no justification whatsoever for the way in which these courts operate in practice. There is no excuse for the amateur, sausage-factory paradigm of Justice and "that'll do" complacency that pervades 94% of criminal cases, other than the most cynical political trinity: its cheap, it's the way we've always done it and no one who votes either knows or cares. And the more you experience magistrates' courts justice, and interrogate the base assumption of this system, the less explicable the whole pantomime becomes."
The Secret Barrister
"it remains the case that the Police disciplinary system is inherently biased in favour of the Police; in fact I would go as far as to say that the unwritten mission statement of most Professional Standards Departments is not to root out, but rather to protect corrupt Officers and to make excuses for Police misbehaviour. Certainly this seems to be the practical result of most Police Complaint investigations that I have witnessed."
Iain Gould- Actions Against the Police Solicitor
The 2015 HM Inspector of Constabulary report [4] into corruption barely mentions cover-up at all but the closest it comes is interesting:
“2.44. When corruption is uncovered there is a tendency within organisations, including the police service, to suggest or imply that the problem is one that is confined to a few rogue members or what are sometimes referred as ‘bad apples’. However, the history of policing has too many examples of institutionalised corruption for this view to carry much credence. Morever, the notion of ‘bad apples’ narrows the scope of attention, often directing concern away from others and implies that, barring the individual ‘bad apples’, everything in the organisation is ethically sound. The literature suggests that this is rarely the case and that maintaining such a view is damaging to the health of the police service”
From my experience I have never seen police corruption or organisation bias or any lack of motivation or cover up to robustly deal with staff and officers committing disciplinary or criminal acts.
@@jeffmartin2973 so you don't disagree with the above, but you just can't agree with it because you've never seen it in your experience, is all of the above a suprise to you then or were you aware that it happens?
Also, do you realise organisational bias usually happens subconsciously, so as a police officer you wouldn't expect to be aware of it?
I'll be honest, I believe you've probably not seen cover-ups of criminal acts, but disciplinary acts, I'm struggling to believe that, although I suppose it's possible.
3 years to go….I’d go tomorrow if I knew what the f..k was happening with my pension.
Very true in everything he says. One of the main issues they have now is the training Centres being replaced by the college of policing degree.
You say it's bonkers, but the tories have done this absolutely everywhere.
I agree with the caller. I retired in 2020. I joined in 1992 and it’s degraded from the time of Jacqui Smith. It’s been politicised,dumbed down and led by career obsessed incompetence. Skill is gone . If you’re the biggest organised crime group in Britain - the Tory government and their paymasters - you don’t want an effective police. 🤷♂️
I worked for a company for 30 years before getting made redundant. Because of this very same trend the company adopted, all the long serving staff that possessed an irreplaceable wealth of experience & knowledge in the industry were bit by bit replaced with Ruperts that had no idea, the company now no longer exists.
It's probably happening all over the place, in all industries in the UK.
Where I work, I started off in the team as the youngster, working alongside people who had been working there for several decades. I am now the most experienced member - everyone else retired or left.
They have plenty of oficers, time and money for going after people saying naughty words on the Internet and chasing people down for the most trivial driving infractions.
Plenty of officers to respond to people with cameras filming a business and not committing a crime.
They just allow the knowledge to walk out the door! I said this as i watched it happen 20 years ago. You cannot buy that knowledge, understanding and conprehension of a situation. It does mot come straight from university.
Well done to this man for voicing the facts from the inside.
You can buy knowledge.. Universities have made it a successful business.
What you cannot buy is experience.
After 30 years police service I was pleased to retire nearly 20 years ago. The service was being broken back then. It was awful, it became like a toxic culture against the people they're paid to serve. It was politicised, political correctness was pushed and government made it like a security service full of idiots.
I was born in 1952 and my father was a local 'Bobby' in the mid '50s & '60s....6'3" 16 stone. ex RN. Everybody on his Beat knew him and he knew Everybody...including the 'wrong-uns'...he had respect, because he Earned it....walking alone at night with a Cape, Lamp, Whistle and Foot long piece of Ebony on his hip....keeping his Beat safe while people slept in their beds just with his Uniformed Presence.....but that was then...look at it now.
This guy is sadly right. As an honest citizen I really need an effective Police force to protect me and my family - it's what we pay for after all. We haven't got that now and the Police force is simply not fit for purpose. There may be some decent coppers left, but most are truly terrible and therefore dangerous. The reasons for this may be many, but the effect is that we have the impression that the Police no longer protect us, and ordinary people fear the Police more than they fear criminals. It suits a Tory narrative to have people scared and justify more totalitarian laws to control the populace rather than actually deal with crime.
Why do you need another man to protect your family?
You need to find a soldier willing to give such an honest account of the army, hopefully things will change soon
The army are recruiting special need kids ,work that out
He isn't just talking about the torries , he is also talking about the chief superintendent and police commissioner's.
I watch a TH-cam channel called police abusing powers, he puts up three or four videos are day covering police being prosecuted. The whole thing is a shambles.
They're not being sued for exemplary service. They're being sued for being rule and law breaking tyrants and that's because no one's taught them any better.
It’s broken for idiots and free loaders ! If everyone had respect and acted accordingly, we would be fine . The real reason for the demise of this country is far simpler - mass immigration!! It’s not a mystery, import the third world become the third world .
The police being prosecuted are just the tip of the iceberg, I assure you far more police are engaging in this type of thing.
Honestly, he’s only touching the surface. You would be terrified if you knew the rest.
Whole towns only covered by 7 officers on a night shift, while criminals run rampant because they literally can’t get to calls fast enough and complete the work.
It's all gone. 10 years out now. Decent men and women, officers and civilians all moved on. A great institution on its knees.
This guy is absolutely spot on, and I really hope he wants to air his comments to more broadcasters/journalists etc so the public can get a real view of what has happened to our service. It really is an absolute shambles from top to bottom, but especially at the bottom.
More senior officers should speak out like he has (I'm guessing on the salary he mentioned he was an Inspector or C.Inspector)
Brilliant stuff, and thank you.
I lost my job when Cameron got in in 2010 due to cutting adult education, I had to go back the spanners, anyhow, outside the garage I worked at, a young Police lady stopped a car and the occupant, a big bloke kicked off, there was no way she could have handled him, we saw it happening and ran out to help her. She waited an hour for backup, the irony was not 20 yards away was a village police station that had closed weeks before. I can name about 6 near me that have gone. If you phone the police now it's a central switchboard miles away and they'll just try anything to fob you off.
Terrible story.
Well done to you and other mechanics who helped. 👍
Hope the police officer was grateful. Unforgivable safety risks waiting that long for trained backup because all their local stations had closed down.
No shortage of speed camera vans tho. I know that’s always regurgitated but it’s so true no officers available for actual crime but they always have the money to collect revenue.
This was one of the most informative videos I've ever seen.
It's not accidental it's what was planned
You give them way too much credit.
@Jim jiminy Your mindset is part of the problem...
My mate is a social worker who looks after troubled kids. He recently told me one of the kids grabbed a knife and started threatening to stab the staff there.
He phoned the police and they told him to deal with it...
It's rare in this day and age to see social workers who actually care about looking after kids.
When I was an apprentice, I learnt the most from the older guys teaching me on the job. This applies to all skills. That's the trouble with politicians. They think you can just shove more people in. Its years of skills handed down from generations in all careers. Our politicians are so incompetent Its unreal.
Remembering that a bunch get shunted off to boarding school at 7 and nannies makes it make some sense . A govt of nepo babies who couldn't pass the 2017 math gcse even if they had textbooks .
Had a conversation, last year, with two officers who told me they had little to no riot training
that Theresa May speech aged like milk
30 year service. Retired 6 years. Now ex met.. He is bang on.
Great reporting world 🌎 class
£60,000 a year is a lot of money for someone as intelligent, and as skilled as a police officer.
What this officer is saying is true ... its heart breaking
Sounds like the best time to turn to crime 🤷🏽♂️
Exactly the same has happened in the Prison Service. 1000’s of years of jail raft has been lost, condemned as dinosaurs.
Across the board, Police , Education, NHS , Social Services , Media and Politics, there are no adults in the room.
If experienced workers are gone, vetting is non existent or seriously inadequate as we know it has been, trainings inadequate, facilities are bad, morale is low for all the above reasons, then it obviously. leads to all the horrific incidents/ situations we've seen in the news involving police in recent years. It's the same situation the NHS is in. And it's not JUST extreme incompetence from the Tories, it's a direct result of them being a corrupt unethical self serving party full of delusional creepy unsavoury narcissists. They and whoever votes for them should be banished from the UK.
It explains my own experiences of the police in recent years. Yet people keep voting for the Tories who have gutted this country since 2010..
You can't put a high enough value on experience. I know as a staff nurse of twenty-five years service and now in my late fifties that I am so much better at communicating with patients than I was when I first started out. You learn to read a situation better and anticipate potential problems. Sadly working for the N_H_ S nowadays has many similarities to the decline of the police service. Poor leadership at both Trust and departmental level, c*ap training (all online, nothing face-to-face), an obsession with wokeness and pushing the 'green' net-zero BS agenda, crumbling infrastructure, a demoralised workforce from Consultant level down to porters and very poor quality care.
For anyone who hasn’t watched “The Wire” get on it, it’s a great show that helps you to understand how corruption can completely destroy a department.
As someone who recently dropped out of the shambolic PCDA course I totally agree. I an 39 and have lead an "interesting" life,most of the people in my chort were very early 20s,straight out of uni and with 0 life experience. I hate to think how they're going to cope out on the street. Half of my cohort of 30 left within the first 18 months of starting.
Something needs to change and it needs to happen ASAP.
Lucky escape, don't look back.
Why did you leave the course?
@@beardbandwidth8821 I loved the policing side of it but hated the uni side. The way it was run meant for me the workload was unmanageable and it started to take over my whole life and for the salary I was being paid (£21,000 a year) it wasn’t worth it.
You can be comforted in knowing that when Labour takes charge they'll make even more of a mess of what the Tories made a mess of.
Is it any wonder our leaders suddenly want to start wars with everyone? I think even they realise what a mess we're in.
When university graduates join the Police at inspector level proves the system is broken. The long term police members of many years suddenly reporting to a graduate. How demotivated can officers be?
I left the police back in 2009. I was only in the job about 5 years, but the system was already showing signs of breaking.
The university tutoring was awful. The idea that we were full coppers after a few months of learning but not shadowing an experienced officer was appalling.
Awful experience.
The wrong type of person is being employed to serve as police officers. I know the old adage hire a thief to catch a thief but hiring paedophiles, rapists and murderers is totally wrong.
And fox hunting members as rural crime officers !
This is the best summary I have heard which expresses how broken the police are! No point even reporting crime anymore!
About 5 years ago a guy laughed his head off when I said we were heading for anarchy, but we are nearer to that state than ever.
This guy is spot on.
I spoke with 2 retired detectives in Southwark, London in 2020. They were called back out of retirement for lack of experience officers. They both confirmed what this gentleman is saying on the call. Security in the country has been on mayday for years.
Same with the NHS, run to the ground and run by managers. Worked as a biomedical scientist (qualified to PhD level) and was told how to do the work by a manager with a manager degree and no science experience
13 years later and what did anyone expect?
It’s obvious to anyone with any intelligence that this is the way it’s going to be and it’s only going to get worse and that’s a crying shame.
Its no worse than under New Labour. It's that party that introduced the powerless PCSO's. They started the cheap policing.
@@bert454 PCSOs were brought in and ideally it should have been extra warrented Police Officers , but PCSOs are now an essential part of they Neighbourhood Policing Teams and they free up the few police officers we have to work on Response Teams .
@@scooby1992 But they have limited power and are cheap way of policing. Typical labour initiative.
This guy is so spot on. Cameron and May went all out to run the Met and training on the cheap with the appointment of Hogan Howe at the helm and got rid of hundreds of civilians who kept the cogs turning and kept experienced officers out on the streets.
He hates villains? He must really hate the Tories then, they’re all villains.
WOW!!!!! Powerful statement right there!!!!!!
Last year on a Sunday I found some lost property. I drove to 4 different police stations to try and hand it in. None were open and the yellow phones outside of each station didn't work. I was lucky enough to find a community support officer leaving the final station. I explained the situation with the lost property and the time and mile's I had covered to return it. Upon trying to hand over the property, the police officer tried to refuse taking it, the only reason they did was because the mobile phone in the lost property started ringing, which I answered and explained I was with a police officer who I was handing the lost property over to. Their face dropped because I didn't allow them to refuse me anymore and just handed the mobile phone over to them with the property and said goodbye. What the fudge are we paying taxes for in the UK. The lost property was a young child's and it had their birthday present in. The thin blue line has been replaced with connect the dots, but you need to find those dots first.
As a recently retired officer of 30 years,this officer is speaking the complete truth. The bosses (majority)have no concern for their staff and only concentrate on evidence for their next rank. The new officers have no one with experience to learn from,vehicles,building and equipment are worse than useless, working conditions are a atrocious,pensions destroyed,pay so far behind and made to be the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong with anything as the job won’t say no to anyone or thing. Would not recommend anyone joining now.
It's not by accident, never is
my step brother left the police because he was so disgusted by the corruption he was seeing
I retired from the Met in 2016 after a 30 yr career, of which I am extremely proud. From what I saw in my last 10 years and what I know from friends who continue to serve, I can tell you that this caller’s assessment is 100% accurate.
This caller is so right.
This feels me with glee!
There is no law so obscene that the Police would not enforce it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children. - Michael Malice
I hope things get worse and worse in this country, maybe then once people are becoming actual victims will they realise the rights they were so keen to give up in the first place. Arm the general public with knowledge and firearms and these criminals will be quaking.