THANK YOU!!!! I have a 3080ti and 10700KF and for the life of me couldn't figure out why I had such low fps. I was so irritated but knew there had to be something I was missing. This was it. I found an old GTX950 I had laying around and I have way higher fps now.
Nice, I tried this some years ago but simply found that the additional load on the CPU had an impact on smoothness. Having said that, I wasn't running a particularly great CPU at the time, so I guess if the CPU is a high end unit, then any hit it takes would be minimised. Bottom line is, you don'r get nuffin for nuffin! Good for those who find it works though.
Also not sure with DX12 and the newer updates if it works as well as it used to. I switched to a 5800X3D and 4090 so I can’t really try it anymore. No On board graphics with this cpu and the GPU won’t allow a second GPU card to fit :)
Thanks Les. Unfortunately, I don't have an integrated graphics card and no room for another gpu. Just for s's and giggles, I purchased and installed Duet to check out my ipad as another screen. Unfortunately (...another unfortunately!) dragging the pop out to that ipad / Duet screen didn't mitigate the fps drop. Setting that aside, thanks for all your YT videos and support you have provided both on YT and various Discord servers. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments. System specs: CPU:AMD 5900X RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200 Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080 Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660 Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080 Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
haha, i've always done this from day 1 and never saw the fps drop that people complained about. I was just lucky I guess because having never experienced it, there was nothing to troubleshoot . :)
What is also weird is that in P3D with the PMDG you could get flickering if the Screen was on the Internal Graphics and not on the same Card as the main sim.... So I think many of us have that left over in the brain about where to place Sim Pop outs....
well..apparently, on my asrock z590 mobo, you cant have both internal and external video cards running at the same time.. turning the internal on, unbeknownst to me, automatically disabled CSM support in bios causing my computer not to boot to windows. took me some time to figure out the prob
4:25 as soon as you pop the display into the main-board-connected monitor, the fps indeed went back up but notice the main sim display is becoming more stuttery. The previous 29fps was smoother. Was that temporary? On a sidenote, this is the reason I regret getting the 13900KF instead of the 'K' only. LOL. What do you know, a few more bucks and I should have enjoyed this trick!
This is great! i been suffering cause im an old timer that has second screen under the main just to pop PFD/ ND xplane 12 toliss airbuses, cause of my strained eyes, and it was a pain to see those frame drop when in overwhelming conditions. PC comes with AMD 7800xt and just got to learn that pc came with integrated its seems 4gb? did a test and voila no more frame drops, i did saw some kind of small "gliter" on the screen when i pop out the instruments any idea? Cheers!
I'm fighting this exact problem right now. 90 fps until I try to output the pop-outs to two additional, smaller screens. When I do that, the total frame rate immediately drops to 30. It's almost like 90 / 3 = 30. All three displays are currently plugged into the back of the graphics card (two display ports and one HDMI). I only have one motherboard display port. There has GOT to be a setting, somewhere, for the graphics card that tells it to split down the FPS and do some sort of FPS Sync.
No there is no setting for it MSFS does this for support of VR and locking the eyes which are separate displays maybe try DX12 some have said that has worked for them.
Thank you for this video! How do I "pin" or save the pop out instruments so when I re launch the game, they are already pop out and in the same position I had them?
I don't know .. Since I have an i7-9700K I am limited to the total number of PCIe links from the CPU.. So if I put another Card in my MoBo it will force the slots into 8x8 mode and I won't have x16 to the 2080.... Now if I had a higher end Mobo and CPU or possibly even an AMD which has more lanes then I could see trying this for sure...
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments. System specs: CPU:AMD 5900X RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200 Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080 Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660 Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080 Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
Thanks bro I never thought about that,I always have my onboard disabled,that would be a good fix for prepared as well as when you create new windows you lose half of you fps need to do some testing Lol.
Works fine for 1 display. But as soon as I pop out a 2nd window to a second display that’s also connected to onboard gpu, fps drops huge. Just like it were connected t9 my main rtx 3080.
This trick is not working anymore for me… I have a second monitor attached to the mobo, but when I pop out one of the panels there, and make it full screen, it still drops a lot of fps… it was working before, but now it isn’t. I recently replaced my gtx1060 for a rtx3060. So, from 50fps drops to 25 on the same monitor as the sim, and it is the same when i move it to the second monitor. Let’s hope they fix that bug in the next update…
Not sure what to tell you .. it works for me still.. maybe make sure that you don't have full screen optimizations enabled on the MSFS application... also make sure you click back into the main screen after.. Also do not "resize" the screen manually .. just set it to full screen after moving it over
@@LesOReilly that was it, after updating to windows 11 and the new sim updates, I lost the full screen optimization setting. After fixing that I can get 43 fps from 56 fps with the window closed.
It was from Virtual Avionics… they seem to be unresponsive though :(. Another affordable unit that the Spad Next developer is working to add is the core flight 737. It is the older non NG /NGx style but probably would be the one I would buy if I did not have the unit I have now.
@@LesOReilly thanks for your anwser. In case the coreflight mcp gets added to spad.next, would I be able to make it compatible with a addon Cessna for example using spad.next?
Don’t put a period in Spad next or TH-cam will put it in held to review and sometimes never notify of it. Yes spad let’s you program devices to anything just like I use my 737 MCP for G1000.
In the real-world, GA aircraft have a window on both sides at 90 degrees. In FSX you could create multiple views/windows and simply drag them to your side monitors and then simply rotate the view until you now have a left view/window on the left and a right view/window on the right. I don't have FS 2020 just yet and I understand that you can't do that in 2020. Is this true? I'm not interested in window stretching because it's unrealistic.
Correct .... to make VR work better each Window render from the Sim will cut the Frame Rate in Half... but locked.. So P3D is still the better route when it comes to large multimonitor Veiws... There are examples where people use nvidia surround and it's only at the extreme edges that the distortion takes place... But for now still no getting around this.
Les, I see this video is about a year old. When I go from a single screen sim to using popped out windows on two separate monitors (using onboard graphics), I’m getting a FPS change from 64 FPS to 32PS. The main screen becomes very choppy. Is there another setting I’m missing or has Asobo changed something that negates the fix you found?
Don’t know. I no longer have that CPU/MB and also can not put a second card in this PC. The 4090 is too big and the 5800X3D has no onboard. No idea if it works after su12
Thank you. What am I doing wrong. over 90fps in NYC with 4090. massive fps drop when right alt + left click. No improve when dragging to screen connected to motherboard hdmi (high end PC) . So 97fps -> 60FPS when same GPU ---> a bit lower on second screen on motherboard hdmi.... just bought realsimgearstuff having seen your video without trying this thinking it would work...Darn me
With a 4090 you’re probably using Frame GEN and that probably won’t work with that any longer. I don’t have an onboard GPU with my 7800x3D and 4090 so can’t comment.
Using the onboard graphics to drive the second monitor and popping them out I still get 10fps hit. Hard for me to believe. I enabled the onboard with BIOS but maybe there is another setting in the BIOS that I have missed. Your idea has to work I know but somehow, against all logic, it doesn't work for me :(
I move the pop out to the other display ... I do not snap it or size it ... I just ALT ENTER it... then I click back in the original window for MSFS...
@@LesOReilly Thanks again for your generous help. I am not running VR. I run MSFS 2020 Full Screen. I cannot MOVE the ATC VFRMap etc windows to my other monitor I can only POP them to it. Even though the second screen is running on the Onboard connection I find that anything I run on the Onboard screen seems to impact the flight FPS on the flying screen. For example if I run this youtube video of yours while flying I get a big drop in fps on the flying screen. This seems very weird to me.
@@jJustPlayingNZ I have no idea ... these are not things that I experience... maybe check to see that you don't have Windows Game Mode enabled or that you don't have GPU hardware Scheduling Enabled...
@@LesOReilly yeah I agree. Thanks for replies. Maybe I will figure it out some time. I will reply here if I do. I think I might wait and see whether these problems go away when Multi-Monitor support is released in July hopefully.
Ugh... I would refer to your MOBOs manual.. but yeah that would be a good place to start and then after that have a look in Device Manager if it is showing up.
that is an excellent trick my friend. however I have another issue went I press ALT key move the mouse over the instrument I want to pop and right click nothing happened I'm not able to pop any window . what I'm doing wrong?
@@MrNICAULISES I am not sure what to tell you ... We all just click in the sim .. Hold the Right alt Key and place the cursor over the the screen. you then get a change to the cursor that looks like a magnifying glass with a Plus in it.. Pops straight out.
Thank you very much but it did not work. 1 - I tried with the dedicated graphic and it drops from 140 to 44 FPS. 2 - I tried with a mobile as external screen and it drops from 140 to 44 FPS. 3 months ago it worked perfectly with no noticeable FPS drop with a Nvidia 4080, I think it's the MSFS updates.
What else changed in your setup?? if you have a 4080 what did you have 3 months ago?? Are you now using DLSS and DX12? Are you using Frame Regeneration? Now you have HGS enabled to run DLSS and Frame Regen? 2 - Mobile as an external screen would render on the main Graphics card anyway.. So that would not work.. would have to be dedicated GFX hardware. Either via an onboard GPU or via a second GFX card. But if your using the new DLSS and FRAME Regen well that is going to probably not work.
@@LesOReilly I'm using DX12 with Frame Generator and I can't get video through the integrated graphic even on a mobile phone, the funny thing is that 3 months ago it worked perfect. We have to wait for it to be fixed and if not, we will have to live with it. Thank you very much for everything
Hi Les, Thank you for this video, as I am using the RSG GTN750 bezel I thought this is awesome, went into the bios and enabled it, checked in device manager and task manager and it shows up and says it is working properly. I disconnected the RSG GTN750 screen form the GPU card and reconnected it to the onboard graphics card, rebooted and went into the sim, popped out the GTN750 screen and dragged it into the RSG GTN750 bezel screen, resized it to fit onto the screen and re clicked back on the main flightsim screen to see if it brought back the FPS to 40 from 25. It did not jump back up to 40, stayed at 25. What am I missing? Thank you for your time.
@@andrew194854 don't know what to say.... might need to check if you have fullscreen optimizations off... anyway works for me. Flew the CJ4 last night and had the PFD/MFD on a single pop out monitor.. and my FPS stayed up..
Does this still work in SU9? I tried it many times.. I have on-board graphics and a spare rtx3060. I tried G sync off, do not have an FPS limiter, no low latency mode. The moment I pop out the mfd or pdf on a separate screen (tried 2nd screen, 3rd one, tried spacedesk too) and the fps is the same. Nothing changes.. I made sure the screens are plugged in the 2nd gpu or the internal one, nothing happens.. Any help..?
@@LesOReilly I got it working.. plugged in another gpu and it works on multiple screens. Would be nice if it would work with spacedesk now so I can use air manager Thank you
It has no difference on the CPU... the issue has to do with how MSFS made a change in Dec of 2020 to address VR issues... They Lock the Frame Rates of all instances on the same GPU... The Tablets are still going to have some issue since you need to move those Pop Outs to "some" form of a screen so I think they still render on the same GPU... Same issue as those with the USB 3.0 Display adapters... those still have FPS lock down
did you make it full screen and then click back into the sim? The FPS counter I am using is pulling the FPS from the Sim Var that is supplying the data.
@@LesOReilly It did have a fps limit in Nvidia Inspector at 60 fps. This would cause a loss of 50% in fps when undocking a window, regardless on which screen it is placed. It works now but in the menus my GPU is running hot as the fps limit is missing.
Oh you're just bragging you have integrated graphics. Hehehe... Seriously I bought my new system and integrated graphics were not even a consideration (who uses those for gaming anyway). Who new it would actually be sonething that could be used in MSFS. Hoping the new year brings us a real fix for multi display setups. Merry Christmas Les
I never had this issu on the same screen or with a second one at onboard graphics. Today it started to cut my fps in half and there is no solution to it :-(
@@LesOReilly This drove me so crazy! I reverted all my settings and HDMI Cable and stuff. And in the end I found MSI Afterburner OSD causing the trouble. It didnt do so in the past, but somehow now it does. Very strange.
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments. System specs: CPU:AMD 5900X RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200 Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080 Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660 Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080 Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
Has anyone tried to connect a realsimgear device to the motherboard on board graphics display(hdmi)? Any difference or benefits as shown on the video? By the way,great video!!
I have two extra displays (Aviatek G1000 panels) connected to my intergrated gpu, and with only 1 popout on the screens (G1000 PFD) my FPS does indeed boost back up to "non-popped out" performance. But as soon as I drag the second window (G1000 MFD) to the other extrnal display my FPS tanks again!! My main screen is a 55" LG OLED running on my RTX 3090
Yes I see a similar thing .. again I think this has to do with the fact that the moment the SIM is being rendered twice on a GPU it locks it's self down .. If you pop out the PFD and MFD in the same render though you don't tank....
There have been mixed results with DX12.... and if this is a fix for multi Monitor issues that is good news... More people just keep posting about having issues with it... I might have to switch over to give it a go..
@@flightsimcockpit6911 Ok, popped out in DX12, lost 10 FPS (36--->26) , moved to external monitor --> no change --> clicked back in main monitor --> no change. I can run DX12 and would love to get this working just not sure what I'm missing?
@@kevinleiter sorry to here that kevin , works great on my system , i do have a 3080ti so i'm sure every PC i different i guess , DX11 i go from 60fps to 30fps with DX12 i gain my frames just by clicking on main screen back upto 60fps
That had more to do with OBS recording .. it was smooth and worked great back then but many have said since SU12 it’s not working anymore. I upgraded to 5800X3D and a 4090… so I can’t even fit my 2060 in so I have no way to try it again.
THANK YOU!!!! I have a 3080ti and 10700KF and for the life of me couldn't figure out why I had such low fps. I was so irritated but knew there had to be something I was missing. This was it. I found an old GTX950 I had laying around and I have way higher fps now.
Awesome to hear. Yeah I run a 3080ti and 2060 since I upgraded to a 5800X3D.
Nice, I tried this some years ago but simply found that the additional load on the CPU had an impact on smoothness. Having said that, I wasn't running a particularly great CPU at the time, so I guess if the CPU is a high end unit, then any hit it takes would be minimised. Bottom line is, you don'r get nuffin for nuffin! Good for those who find it works though.
Also not sure with DX12 and the newer updates if it works as well as it used to. I switched to a 5800X3D and 4090 so I can’t really try it anymore. No On board graphics with this cpu and the GPU won’t allow a second GPU card to fit :)
A shame, that's a bummer!
Thanks Les. Unfortunately, I don't have an integrated graphics card and no room for another gpu. Just for s's and giggles, I purchased and installed Duet to check out my ipad as another screen. Unfortunately (...another unfortunately!) dragging the pop out to that ipad / Duet screen didn't mitigate the fps drop. Setting that aside, thanks for all your YT videos and support you have provided both on YT and various Discord servers. Have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Happy holidays to you and yours as well.
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments.
System specs:
CPU:AMD 5900X
RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200
Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080
Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660
Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080
Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
Cool glad it worked out !!
haha, i've always done this from day 1 and never saw the fps drop that people complained about. I was just lucky I guess because having never experienced it, there was nothing to troubleshoot . :)
What is also weird is that in P3D with the PMDG you could get flickering if the Screen was on the Internal Graphics and not on the same Card as the main sim.... So I think many of us have that left over in the brain about where to place Sim Pop outs....
well..apparently, on my asrock z590 mobo, you cant have both internal and external video cards running at the same time.. turning the internal on, unbeknownst to me, automatically disabled CSM support in bios causing my computer not to boot to windows. took me some time to figure out the prob
well that sucks... if you have space and budget you could always add a second GFX card...
@@LesOReilly well, id have to go to 8 x 8 instead of 16 on one..not to mention id have to sell my house to get another card right now :)
@@papawsgaming8762 yeah same reason I tried the onboard … so my 2080 would stay in x16.
4:25 as soon as you pop the display into the main-board-connected monitor, the fps indeed went back up but notice the main sim display is becoming more stuttery. The previous 29fps was smoother. Was that temporary? On a sidenote, this is the reason I regret getting the 13900KF instead of the 'K' only. LOL. What do you know, a few more bucks and I should have enjoyed this trick!
Might have been obs recording.. on my screen it looks fine.. could have been that it was now capturing at the wrong rate.
This is great! i been suffering cause im an old timer that has second screen under the main just to pop PFD/ ND xplane 12 toliss airbuses, cause of my strained eyes, and it was a pain to see those frame drop when in overwhelming conditions. PC comes with AMD 7800xt and just got to learn that pc came with integrated its seems 4gb? did a test and voila no more frame drops, i did saw some kind of small "gliter" on the screen when i pop out the instruments any idea? Cheers!
No idea about glitter.
Very nice video and just in time as i'm setting up for touch panel cockpit on my sim now - does this work the same when using USB->HDMI adapters??
I have not used one so I don’t know. But others on the RSG discord seem to have had good results.
I'm fighting this exact problem right now. 90 fps until I try to output the pop-outs to two additional, smaller screens. When I do that, the total frame rate immediately drops to 30. It's almost like 90 / 3 = 30. All three displays are currently plugged into the back of the graphics card (two display ports and one HDMI). I only have one motherboard display port. There has GOT to be a setting, somewhere, for the graphics card that tells it to split down the FPS and do some sort of FPS Sync.
No there is no setting for it MSFS does this for support of VR and locking the eyes which are separate displays maybe try DX12 some have said that has worked for them.
I am running X-Plane but same story there I assume. The 30fps is pretty livable but I know the graphics card it capable of way more.
Oh I don’t do. plane but I have heard the exact same thing since it would need to keep multiple views all in sync.
Another great fix. 👍😊
Thanks 👍
Thank you for this video! How do I "pin" or save the pop out instruments so when I re launch the game, they are already pop out and in the same position I had them?
You can not ... at least not yet ... Looks like in SU12 that is a feature that they are bringing out though!
Do you know if this works with an secondary graphics card too?
I don't know .. Since I have an i7-9700K I am limited to the total number of PCIe links from the CPU.. So if I put another Card in my MoBo it will force the slots into 8x8 mode and I won't have x16 to the 2080.... Now if I had a higher end Mobo and CPU or possibly even an AMD which has more lanes then I could see trying this for sure...
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments.
System specs:
CPU:AMD 5900X
RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200
Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080
Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660
Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080
Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
Thanks bro I never thought about that,I always have my onboard disabled,that would be a good fix for prepared as well as when you create new windows you lose half of you fps need to do some testing Lol.
Thanks for taking the time to drop a comment. Hope it works out.
Works fine for 1 display. But as soon as I pop out a 2nd window to a second display that’s also connected to onboard gpu, fps drops huge. Just like it were connected t9 my main rtx 3080.
Yes because MSFS slashes the rate because of VR. In SU10 this should be better with how multi monitor works.
Useful fix! Out of interest, What's that autopilot panel you have at the top in your home cockpit?
Virtual Avionics 737 MCP. However they are basically out of biz these days….
what inch monitor i should get for only 1 pop out? i only need Multi Display on the pedestal of the 777 pmdg? with ipad im sure my fps will drop
Size does not really matter. Using alternate GPU ensures that it’s a separate render thread.
@@LesOReilly thx. my mobo is a z390 "designare model" with an integrated graphic card. i'll use spadnext then. thx! great channel!
This trick is not working anymore for me… I have a second monitor attached to the mobo, but when I pop out one of the panels there, and make it full screen, it still drops a lot of fps… it was working before, but now it isn’t. I recently replaced my gtx1060 for a rtx3060. So, from 50fps drops to 25 on the same monitor as the sim, and it is the same when i move it to the second monitor. Let’s hope they fix that bug in the next update…
Not sure what to tell you .. it works for me still.. maybe make sure that you don't have full screen optimizations enabled on the MSFS application... also make sure you click back into the main screen after.. Also do not "resize" the screen manually .. just set it to full screen after moving it over
@@LesOReilly I will try that…
@@LesOReilly that was it, after updating to windows 11 and the new sim updates, I lost the full screen optimization setting. After fixing that I can get 43 fps from 56 fps with the window closed.
@@LesOReillyhow can use the mobo screen？ is there only one at the sametime？
@cirruscanton8119 it depends on your computer motherboard and CPU. You will need to check the manuals for each.
Very off topic question; Where have you bought your Boeing Autopilot panel from, that is seen in the video. Thanks
It was from Virtual Avionics… they seem to be unresponsive though :(. Another affordable unit that the Spad Next developer is working to add is the core flight 737. It is the older non NG /NGx style but probably would be the one I would buy if I did not have the unit I have now.
@@LesOReilly thanks for your anwser. In case the coreflight mcp gets added to spad.next, would I be able to make it compatible with a addon Cessna for example using spad.next?
Don’t put a period in Spad next or TH-cam will put it in held to review and sometimes never notify of it.
Yes spad let’s you program devices to anything just like I use my 737 MCP for G1000.
@@LesOReilly sorry about the periods ;D
Thanks for your answers they have been very helpful
Wow, great tip, thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to drop a positive comment!
In the real-world, GA aircraft have a window on both sides at 90 degrees. In FSX you could create multiple views/windows and simply drag them to your side monitors and then simply rotate the view until you now have a left view/window on the left and a right view/window on the right. I don't have FS 2020 just yet and I understand that you can't do that in 2020. Is this true? I'm not interested in window stretching because it's unrealistic.
Correct .... to make VR work better each Window render from the Sim will cut the Frame Rate in Half... but locked.. So P3D is still the better route when it comes to large multimonitor Veiws... There are examples where people use nvidia surround and it's only at the extreme edges that the distortion takes place... But for now still no getting around this.
Les, I see this video is about a year old. When I go from a single screen sim to using popped out windows on two separate monitors (using onboard graphics), I’m getting a FPS change from 64 FPS to 32PS. The main screen becomes very choppy. Is there another setting I’m missing or has Asobo changed something that negates the fix you found?
Don’t know. I no longer have that CPU/MB and also can not put a second card in this PC. The 4090 is too big and the 5800X3D has no onboard. No idea if it works after su12
@@LesOReilly do you still use pop out panels in MSFS and are you still getting the FPS a drop?
I do pop out panels and yes o see a drop but it’s a 4090…
I'm trying to use my IPAD with "Wired XDisplay" and still having this FPS drop. What can I do?
Have to wait for SU10 I guess and hope the inprovements are enough.
Thank you. What am I doing wrong. over 90fps in NYC with 4090. massive fps drop when right alt + left click. No improve when dragging to screen connected to motherboard hdmi (high end PC) . So 97fps -> 60FPS when same GPU ---> a bit lower on second screen on motherboard hdmi.... just bought realsimgearstuff having seen your video without trying this thinking it would work...Darn me
With a 4090 you’re probably using Frame GEN and that probably won’t work with that any longer. I don’t have an onboard GPU with my 7800x3D and 4090 so can’t comment.
@LesOReilly thank you for swift reply . I believe rivatuner was the issue.... when disabling fps on screen .... it went back up .
Using the onboard graphics to drive the second monitor and popping them out I still get 10fps hit. Hard for me to believe. I enabled the onboard with BIOS but maybe there is another setting in the BIOS that I have missed. Your idea has to work I know but somehow, against all logic, it doesn't work for me :(
I move the pop out to the other display ... I do not snap it or size it ... I just ALT ENTER it... then I click back in the original window for MSFS...
@@LesOReilly Thanks again for your generous help. I am not running VR. I run MSFS 2020 Full Screen. I cannot MOVE the ATC VFRMap etc windows to my other monitor I can only POP them to it. Even though the second screen is running on the Onboard connection I find that anything I run on the Onboard screen seems to impact the flight FPS on the flying screen. For example if I run this youtube video of yours while flying I get a big drop in fps on the flying screen. This seems very weird to me.
@@jJustPlayingNZ I have no idea ... these are not things that I experience... maybe check to see that you don't have Windows Game Mode enabled or that you don't have GPU hardware Scheduling Enabled...
@@LesOReilly yeah I agree. Thanks for replies. Maybe I will figure it out some time. I will reply here if I do. I think I might wait and see whether these problems go away when Multi-Monitor support is released in July hopefully.
Thanks 😊 How to actived the mb graphics card ? In bios?
Ugh... I would refer to your MOBOs manual.. but yeah that would be a good place to start and then after that have a look in Device Manager if it is showing up.
Michael Brown made several videos how to enable onboard graphics: th-cam.com/users/col2mabvideos
that is an excellent trick my friend. however I have another issue went I press ALT key move the mouse over the instrument I want to pop and right click nothing happened I'm not able to pop any window . what I'm doing wrong?
Are you using the left ALT Key? That won’t work has to be the Right Alt Key.
@@LesOReilly yea using the right alt key
@@MrNICAULISES I am not sure what to tell you ... We all just click in the sim .. Hold the Right alt Key and place the cursor over the the screen. you then get a change to the cursor that looks like a magnifying glass with a Plus in it.. Pops straight out.
Thank you very much but it did not work.
1 - I tried with the dedicated graphic and it drops from 140 to 44 FPS.
2 - I tried with a mobile as external screen and it drops from 140 to 44 FPS.
3 months ago it worked perfectly with no noticeable FPS drop with a Nvidia 4080, I think it's the MSFS updates.
What else changed in your setup?? if you have a 4080 what did you have 3 months ago?? Are you now using DLSS and DX12? Are you using Frame Regeneration? Now you have HGS enabled to run DLSS and Frame Regen?
2 - Mobile as an external screen would render on the main Graphics card anyway.. So that would not work.. would have to be dedicated GFX hardware. Either via an onboard GPU or via a second GFX card. But if your using the new DLSS and FRAME Regen well that is going to probably not work.
@@LesOReilly I'm using DX12 with Frame Generator and I can't get video through the integrated graphic even on a mobile phone, the funny thing is that 3 months ago it worked perfect. We have to wait for it to be fixed and if not, we will have to live with it. Thank you very much for everything
Hi Les, Thank you for this video, as I am using the RSG GTN750 bezel I thought this is awesome, went into the bios and enabled it, checked in device manager and task manager and it shows up and says it is working properly. I disconnected the RSG GTN750 screen form the GPU card and reconnected it to the onboard graphics card, rebooted and went into the sim, popped out the GTN750 screen and dragged it into the RSG GTN750 bezel screen, resized it to fit onto the screen and re clicked back on the main flightsim screen to see if it brought back the FPS to 40 from 25. It did not jump back up to 40, stayed at 25. What am I missing? Thank you for your time.
did you Maximize it or did you resize it?? Needs to be Maximized...
@@LesOReilly Resized it, will try to maximize and advise. Thank you.
Maximized GTN750 bezel Screen, clicked back on main screen but FPS did not return from 25 back to 40.
@@andrew194854 don't know what to say.... might need to check if you have fullscreen optimizations off... anyway works for me. Flew the CJ4 last night and had the PFD/MFD on a single pop out monitor.. and my FPS stayed up..
@@LesOReilly Ok, thanks Les, will check further.
Hi, I have tried this, and worked well in the beginning. But after 30 minutes flying it dropped back. Even all the way to 5 fps
Not sure. But SU10 just came out and not sure if the multi monitor has changed things.
Does this still work in SU9?
I tried it many times..
I have on-board graphics and a spare rtx3060.
I tried G sync off, do not have an FPS limiter, no low latency mode.
The moment I pop out the mfd or pdf on a separate screen (tried 2nd screen, 3rd one, tried spacedesk too) and the fps is the same.
Nothing changes.. I made sure the screens are plugged in the 2nd gpu or the internal one, nothing happens..
Any help..?
Works for me as long as I click back into the sim screen after
@@LesOReilly I did so too.
Still does not work..
Are you on Windows 11 or 10?
I'm on 10
I even did a fresh install and nothing changed..
Cheers
@@d1d1ka29 I am on W10 .. I also can only run 1 of the pop outs.. if I try to do two on the second card then the FPS drops in half
@@LesOReilly I just got to try playing with the full screen optimisation settings.
Will do that when I get home
@@LesOReilly I got it working.. plugged in another gpu and it works on multiple screens. Would be nice if it would work with spacedesk now so I can use air manager
Thank you
How do i get the fps frame in the top right corner ,this is a great video thanks.
That is done in OBS since I wanted to record it. However you can also get it from the Nvidia tools.
How does it affect your CPU? What about tablets using wifi (that's what I use)?
It has no difference on the CPU... the issue has to do with how MSFS made a change in Dec of 2020 to address VR issues... They Lock the Frame Rates of all instances on the same GPU... The Tablets are still going to have some issue since you need to move those Pop Outs to "some" form of a screen so I think they still render on the same GPU... Same issue as those with the USB 3.0 Display adapters... those still have FPS lock down
My FPS drop from 50 to 25. Moving the pop out window to the CPU driven screen doesnt change this. Using the fps counter from the DEVs tools.
did you make it full screen and then click back into the sim?
The FPS counter I am using is pulling the FPS from the Sim Var that is supplying the data.
@@LesOReilly It did have a fps limit in Nvidia Inspector at 60 fps. This would cause a loss of 50% in fps when undocking a window, regardless on which screen it is placed. It works now but in the menus my GPU is running hot as the fps limit is missing.
Cannot get this to work Any idea's?
Might need a second separate card now.. See Jesse comment below from earlier today ... works for him and Me but we now have second cards
Oh you're just bragging you have integrated graphics. Hehehe...
Seriously I bought my new system and integrated graphics were not even a consideration (who uses those for gaming anyway). Who new it would actually be sonething that could be used in MSFS. Hoping the new year brings us a real fix for multi display setups. Merry Christmas Les
Happy holidays and Merry Christmas Jenny! I mean if you have the CPU/Mobo that has more PCIe lanes you could always try a second GPU :)
@@LesOReilly It's on my consideration list if I can find an older GTX card for a reasonable price. 😉
Same here! New. AMD system with a 3090 card thinking integrated was "passe". Who knew! Thinking about a second lesser GPU for my 430 & 530...
I never had this issu on the same screen or with a second one at onboard graphics. Today it started to cut my fps in half and there is no solution to it :-(
Need to make sure your in full screen.
@@LesOReilly This drove me so crazy! I reverted all my settings and HDMI Cable and stuff. And in the end I found MSI Afterburner OSD causing the trouble. It didnt do so in the past, but somehow now it does. Very strange.
I try to run as little software for that stuff as I can. Overlay and game bar have also done horrible things in the past.
I extended my computer with a second GPU GTX660 and monitor. It works perfect as an additional instrument monitor with pop out instruments.
System specs:
CPU:AMD 5900X
RAM: 32 GB DDR4-3200
Primary GPU: Gigabyte RTX3080
Secondary GPU: MSI GTX660
Primary monitor: LG Ultrawide 2560x1080
Secondary monitor: Acer 1920x1080
good to hear it is working
awesome thank you
No worries!
Top demais...valeu amigo...
Thank you Sir!!! Happy Holidays!
pop out mcdu screen and move to motherboard graph card screen by full screen without any change,the fps still dropped from 55 to 42
That is not the same issue as the drop in half issue… are you in DX12? Others have suggested lesser drops with using it.
Cool!
Thanks... Apparently a second GFX card will also work..
Has anyone tried to connect a realsimgear device to the motherboard on board graphics display(hdmi)? Any difference or benefits as shown on the video?
By the way,great video!!
That is exactly how this benefits… but you can only do 1.
@@LesOReilly Thank you Sir. Lots of good content on your channel, I subscribed 👍
Thanks for the support :)
It worked for me but now It doesn't work anymore, I don't know why
Make sure you made it full screen and then click back into the sim.
@@LesOReilly Yes double checked. It doesn't work
@@fabrizioricci6041 did you change to DX12? thats about the only other thing I can think off...
ugh, my PC has no onboard GPU :(
no spare gpu either. sign
As DX12 gets better we hope this will become a thing of the past anyway.
Wow nice tip
Thanks for taking the time to write a positive comment !!
Cool👍👍👍
Yeah it would be better for them to just fix it though :)
awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
thanks .. Hopefully soon wont matter with the nanoVG render stuff
I have two extra displays (Aviatek G1000 panels) connected to my intergrated gpu, and with only 1 popout on the screens (G1000 PFD) my FPS does indeed boost back up to "non-popped out" performance. But as soon as I drag the second window (G1000 MFD) to the other extrnal display my FPS tanks again!!
My main screen is a 55" LG OLED running on my RTX 3090
Yes I see a similar thing .. again I think this has to do with the fact that the moment the SIM is being rendered twice on a GPU it locks it's self down .. If you pop out the PFD and MFD in the same render though you don't tank....
Just using DX12 stops the FPS drop
There have been mixed results with DX12.... and if this is a fix for multi Monitor issues that is good news... More people just keep posting about having issues with it... I might have to switch over to give it a go..
Wrong.. Tested with DX12 [Beta] in MSFS 2020...fps still drops..
@@robertsmith5234 wrong for you maybe , do your test right, click back on main screen before you try be a the know it all guy
@@flightsimcockpit6911 Ok, popped out in DX12, lost 10 FPS (36--->26) , moved to external monitor --> no change --> clicked back in main monitor --> no change. I can run DX12 and would love to get this working just not sure what I'm missing?
@@kevinleiter sorry to here that kevin , works great on my system , i do have a 3080ti so i'm sure every PC i different i guess , DX11 i go from 60fps to 30fps with DX12 i gain my frames just by clicking on main screen back upto 60fps
Ahh that’s smart
They have done a better job on the newer versions but it can help for some.
@@LesOReilly I didn’t know u can do that. This whole time I was plugging it into my gpu
@@LesOReilly it’s telling me no signal on my monitor when I plug it into the mother board directly
I think it's false frame reporting that's showing you 50. Looks far jerkier than when you had locked 30. Looks sub 20 to my eyes.
That had more to do with OBS recording .. it was smooth and worked great back then but many have said since SU12 it’s not working anymore. I upgraded to 5800X3D and a 4090… so I can’t even fit my 2060 in so I have no way to try it again.
@@LesOReilly ah ok. I see