Just putting this out there but the only people who know anything about the precise events are either dead or retired from frontline politics (with the possible exception of Tony Blair, which is unfortunate but never mind,) Anyway, I knew some of the people involved with the actual events politically and whilst it does have a lot of what I believe Hollywood refers to as artistic license according to people who were actually there, this isn't as far from the truth as some are alleging. The situations might be different but the conversations were the same is something I have heard a lot since its release last year. Remember this is not a documentary, it does not document the events of the Troubles, it is not even an account of the wider aspects of the peace process; it is a personal account of events that took place between two people (Paisley & McGuinness) during which various people at various times were briefly able to see and interact with in a variety of different ways sometimes positive sometimes negative. These things always gloss over the negatives and emphasise the things that cast the protagonists in a favourable light especially when they are dead! Additionally, we tend to see things differently when we are not a part of the events we are viewing Even if you don't believe that, which is, of course, your choice, it is still a good film and you can make a choice whether or not to see it. No one can truthfully say this is or is not an accurate representation of what happened because we were not there and those who advised the makers of this film were not there for everything that went on. All we can know for sure is that from 78 to 98 we got from "Never" to "OK, then" (in a manner of speaking) somehow! We will probably never know what "really" happened and at the end of the day, that doesn't matter. All that matters is that we did, thank God! And these two men played a significant role in getting us to a place where we could have our disagreements and not keep killing each other so there could be at least some kind lasting peace in Northern Ireland. Also, before anyone decides to jump down my throat about history; my history is the history of Ireland and the Troubles. On one side I am a Boyle as Irish as the Donegal hills, on the other, I am a Lacey, an Anglo-Norman aristocrat who came over with either Strongbow or Henry II. With that in mind, it is fair to say that, that history is written into my DNA. I also lived in Northern Ireland for a time, my brother was killed in the Troubles and I have lost family and friends on both sides of this conflict. My father still refers to our family as "casualties of war" but had it not been for that war I would probably not be alive. When Meany said in the film "We are Ireland" it reminded me of a quote my grandmother used to say "Mise Éire! Tá tú Éire! Táimid Éirinn agus tá Éire dúinn ar fad!" and it is true and both unionists and nationalists must remember this going forward "I am Ireland! You are Ireland! We are Ireland and Ireland is us all!" That said it does not mean we have to like each other or agree all the time.
Always thought the older guy looked like the food critic in ratatouille, give him black hair tho 😂😂 cracking film tho, these 2 men talking about the past there differences and there beliefs, very powerful and has some good humour in it too and just notice the good doctor driving lol
I LOVE IT! Now Producers and Directors here is my pitch....White President.....Black Activist......Road trip across America beginning from New York ending in California...Same Story...Set in a Distant Future.....I will pay to see this Awesome Movie "The Journey' and then I will pay $100.00 to see my pitch 'The Journey Part 2" if you make it. Cheers!
wheelchairby284 yes both are dumbed downed accents it’s for being able to actually understand what they’re saying to the outside world the two accidents in the north are hard to understand apparently
It was fun. The scene with Paisley in the petrol station when the credit card has been refused is priceless, but it's a farcical comedy and nothing more. Meaney doesn't even attempt Martin's accent. Weird how this got made .... the only movie about the peace process and ... it's a fictional comedy??
Perhaps Mr Hurt's health was too precarious for him to take on this enormous part which would have required massive amounts of time in make-up, as he'd already been diagnosed with cancer. BTW Spall is 5'8", Hurt was 5'9", Paisley was 6'5".
I'm gonna assume this movie is mostly fiction, right? I know obviously there was the conflict between England and Ireland but I would imagine they probably didn't stick the leaders of both sides in a car that ended up crashing in the woods which somehow inspired them both to reconcile... regardless, looks like a good movie, if not a little cheesy!
When was this film released or has it yet to be released? I have heard nothing of this film until it ended up on my recommended page !!!! Timothy Spall with weigh loss looks remarkably like Mr Paisley......Ugly!...lol.
Not seen this film but I can see it's based on a false premise. That a democratic politician (even If I thought he was an insufferable knob) and a terrorist killer were on the same moral plane. And in the little bits presented in the trailers, I suspect that a "reasonable" McGuinness will be seen as winning over an "intransigent" Paisley. That is sad as it demonstrates a collective retreat form reality, morality and decency. The moral high ground was won by Paisley by accepting as an equal McGuiness. My family are Republicans, and in private they will (nearly) all admit its true. But down the Pub, even my siblings would say I'm talking bollocks, if I had the courage to talk about this. I think you can all guess why in that pub we stick to other subjects.
Nothing to do with reality. Absolute rubbish. It's like a cartoon. It's embarrassing. It's a shame that talented actors were prepared to take the money and participate in this. For anyone, and particularly any American citizens, who think that this film might show what actually happened: please don't be fooled. I suggest that you travel to the North of Ireland and talk to real people in Derry, Armagh and Belfast etc to learn about what actually happened - to learn from the people who lived through the war and were involved in the 'Peace process' and the Good Friday Agreement - and to learn about the history of Britain in Ireland from when England and the Anglo/Normans first invaded Ireland 800 years ago - and to learn what has changed and what has not.
Here are some other people’s comments: Cait Trainor My skin is actually crawling after watching this - I feel dirty 😣 warning - contains lies and Hollywood sentimentality Bubba Ridgeway I clicked this and watched it. When it got to the part where they are in the car and he's saying "don't call me boy" I wondered if I wasn' t watching a saturday night live sketch. Ellis Rose We are Ireland ! Duh! Michael Mcardle Colm meaney one of the greatest Irish actors ever.il def watch this when it's released Cait Trainor I prob will too just for the cringe factor Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor Ah here Cait this can't be real, it has to be some sort of piss take or a parody. Cait Trainor Nope lol Maggie Gordon Feel like you Cait , skin crawling .like I need shower Peader Capal Núa Jasis what a load of tripe John James Connolly Feckin chuckle brothers right enough Martin Mc Loone 😂😂😂 Schlimm Jim Is Helen Mirren playing Mo Molem? Shane Gallagher Ross Kemp as Johnny Adair lol Shane Gallagher Steve McFadden as Sean MacStaphoin & Jeff Goldblum as Gerry kelly Pol Mac Adaim W........T..........F..........??? Shane Gallagher Oscar Pistorius as Lord Mountbatten hehe Brendan Gormley Totally agree with you Cait Trainor Joseph One word Cringe Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor I could understand people wanting to watch films about the Hunger Strikes or the Guildford 4 or Liam Neason played a UVF killer in a film, but a film about Marty & Paisley & the "Belfast Agreement" can only be the most mundane, non-controversial film ever. Imagine if someone made a film about Sunningdale back in 1974, it would just be bizarre. Pól Ó Scanaill Even with Colm Meaneys acting skills he could never portray McGuinness's level of subservience. Rowan Clarke I was hoping Pennywise the Clown popped up and ate them Rowan Clarke If only they knew the truth about Paisley. That he was a closet Irish Nationalist who despised the Brits and the Royal family, but who used Unionism to get Protestants involved in his extremist sect where you are not allowed listen to music nor even go the cinema Kieran Joseph They used to padlock our swings every Sunday ffs Bosco Gilleece That was utter shit Hans Sandyford Grunberg I must remember to miss that Bosco Gilleece Any cinema showing that trash should be blown up Sean Hall Domhnall Mac Concharraige Hollywood perverts history again Eamonn O Luachrain A lot of tripe. Gerry Shannon Oh the cringe of it all!! Tommy Delaney flat out insulting Kieran Joseph Gerry lookin very dapper on the left lol
Lots of people complaining that it's not a factual account. Saying things like "Hollywood perverts history again." (Interesting to note is that this was 100% produced in GB - no Hollywood here.) There's *one* person who says anything about *what* was gotten wrong instead of only saying that they got something wrong. The rest are a lot of bandwagon, pile on comments saying "me too". Anybody care to actually explain what's wrong with the movie - preferably somebody who saw that the film calls itself a *fictional account* of the events?
Here are some more people's comments: Cait Trainor My skin is actually crawling after watching this - I feel dirty 😣 warning - contains lies and Hollywood sentimentality Bubba Ridgeway I clicked this and watched it. When it got to the part where they are in the car and he's saying "don't call me boy" I wondered if I wasn' t watching a saturday night live sketch. Ellis Rose We are Ireland ! Duh! Michael Mcardle Colm meaney one of the greatest Irish actors ever.il def watch this when it's released Cait Trainor I prob will too just for the cringe factor Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor Ah here Cait this can't be real, it has to be some sort of piss take or a parody. Cait Trainor Nope lol Maggie Gordon Feel like you Cait , skin crawling .like I need shower Peader Capal Núa Jasis what a load of tripe John James Connolly Feckin chuckle brothers right enough Martin Mc Loone 😂😂😂 Schlimm Jim Is Helen Mirren playing Mo Molem? Shane Gallagher Ross Kemp as Johnny Adair lol Shane Gallagher Steve McFadden as Sean MacStaphoin & Jeff Goldblum as Gerry kelly Pol Mac Adaim W........T..........F..........??? Shane Gallagher Oscar Pistorius as Lord Mountbatten hehe Brendan Gormley Totally agree with you Cait Trainor Joseph One word Cringe Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor I could understand people wanting to watch films about the Hunger Strikes or the Guildford 4 or Liam Neason played a UVF killer in a film, but a film about Marty & Paisley & the "Belfast Agreement" can only be the most mundane, non-controversial film ever. Imagine if someone made a film about Sunningdale back in 1974, it would just be bizarre. Pól Ó Scanaill Even with Colm Meaneys acting skills he could never portray McGuinness's level of subservience. Rowan Clarke I was hoping Pennywise the Clown popped up and ate them Rowan Clarke If only they knew the truth about Paisley. That he was a closet Irish Nationalist who despised the Brits and the Royal family, but who used Unionism to get Protestants involved in his extremist sect where you are not allowed listen to music nor even go the cinema Kieran Joseph They used to padlock our swings every Sunday ffs Bosco Gilleece That was utter shit Hans Sandyford Grunberg I must remember to miss that Bosco Gilleece Any cinema showing that trash should be blown up Sean Hall Domhnall Mac Concharraige Hollywood perverts history again Eamonn O Luachrain A lot of tripe. Gerry Shannon Oh the cringe of it all!! Tommy Delaney flat out insulting Kieran Joseph Gerry lookin very dapper on the left lol
First face I seen was Freddie Highmore and thought "Yep, this is going to be good."
Anything with Timothy Spall in it has to be good. Cannot wait to see The Journey. Fiction or not, I am sure I will enjoy it.
I'm a Canadian, Belfast born.Sure, it's fiction! Given the political climate we live in (Brexit,Trump) I find a film like this breath of fresh air.
First face I seen was Freddie Highmore, Mr. Toby Stephens and Mr. Timothy Spall and thought "Yep, this is going to be very very very good."
Wow...Timothy Spall looks almost unrecognizable with the weight loss. He's really an incredible actor.
R.I.P. John Hurt...
I am Canadian and I am looking forward to watching it. Also, there is a Churchill movie coming out as well.
Just putting this out there but the only people who know anything about the precise events are either dead or retired from frontline politics (with the possible exception of Tony Blair, which is unfortunate but never mind,) Anyway, I knew some of the people involved with the actual events politically and whilst it does have a lot of what I believe Hollywood refers to as artistic license according to people who were actually there, this isn't as far from the truth as some are alleging. The situations might be different but the conversations were the same is something I have heard a lot since its release last year. Remember this is not a documentary, it does not document the events of the Troubles, it is not even an account of the wider aspects of the peace process; it is a personal account of events that took place between two people (Paisley & McGuinness) during which various people at various times were briefly able to see and interact with in a variety of different ways sometimes positive sometimes negative. These things always gloss over the negatives and emphasise the things that cast the protagonists in a favourable light especially when they are dead! Additionally, we tend to see things differently when we are not a part of the events we are viewing
Even if you don't believe that, which is, of course, your choice, it is still a good film and you can make a choice whether or not to see it. No one can truthfully say this is or is not an accurate representation of what happened because we were not there and those who advised the makers of this film were not there for everything that went on. All we can know for sure is that from 78 to 98 we got from "Never" to "OK, then" (in a manner of speaking) somehow! We will probably never know what "really" happened and at the end of the day, that doesn't matter. All that matters is that we did, thank God! And these two men played a significant role in getting us to a place where we could have our disagreements and not keep killing each other so there could be at least some kind lasting peace in Northern Ireland.
Also, before anyone decides to jump down my throat about history; my history is the history of Ireland and the Troubles. On one side I am a Boyle as Irish as the Donegal hills, on the other, I am a Lacey, an Anglo-Norman aristocrat who came over with either Strongbow or Henry II. With that in mind, it is fair to say that, that history is written into my DNA. I also lived in Northern Ireland for a time, my brother was killed in the Troubles and I have lost family and friends on both sides of this conflict. My father still refers to our family as "casualties of war" but had it not been for that war I would probably not be alive. When Meany said in the film "We are Ireland" it reminded me of a quote my grandmother used to say "Mise Éire! Tá tú Éire! Táimid Éirinn agus tá Éire dúinn ar fad!" and it is true and both unionists and nationalists must remember this going forward "I am Ireland! You are Ireland! We are Ireland and Ireland is us all!"
That said it does not mean we have to like each other or agree all the time.
Those dentures deserve an Oscar nom.
yknow if I'm counting correct the driver has played two staples of pop culture and part of the basis for another
cool movie.. enjoyed watching it using boxxy software
The irony is the two actors are now close friends 😂
Always thought the older guy looked like the food critic in ratatouille, give him black hair tho 😂😂 cracking film tho, these 2 men talking about the past there differences and there beliefs, very powerful and has some good humour in it too and just notice the good doctor driving lol
Good movie really enjoyed
I LOVE IT! Now Producers and Directors here is my pitch....White President.....Black Activist......Road trip across America beginning from New York ending in California...Same Story...Set in a Distant Future.....I will pay to see this Awesome Movie "The Journey' and then I will pay $100.00 to see my pitch 'The Journey Part 2" if you make it. Cheers!
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I'm not Irish, but I have heard both Paisley and McGuinness speak- do their accents, or at the very least Spall's, seem underplayed to anyone else?
wheelchairby284 yes both are dumbed downed accents it’s for being able to actually understand what they’re saying to the outside world the two accidents in the north are hard to understand apparently
My dad knew Dr Paisley. A truly unforgettable character by all accounts. He'd love to have seen this...
Jo Barry Ah yes, Ian Paisley. Or to use his proper accredited title, Ian Paisley.
An evil, wicked man who did nothing but spread hatred and vile feelings of pain and anger.
Liam Neeson, despite being a Catholic sneaked into his sermons to watch him.
Looks like a TV movie, at best.
I can see some pretty iffy-looking wigs
Timothy spall for an Oscar me thinks
so vim pelo Freddie rs
I barely recognised Timothy Spall.
It was fun. The scene with Paisley in the petrol station when the credit card has been refused is priceless, but it's a farcical comedy and nothing more. Meaney doesn't even attempt Martin's accent. Weird how this got made .... the only movie about the peace process and ... it's a fictional comedy??
So you didn't see the movie i guess. That was the only part that was somewhat funny at all, the entire movie was about divition and peace.
I find it rather cruel that Patterson is alive still and McGuinness paisley are dead whereas for their actors its the other way round
Why in God's name did they not get John Hurt to play Paisley.
John Hurt is dead,Just like the two boys in the movie.
Des Perkins Thanks Moron!
Perhaps Mr Hurt's health was too precarious for him to take on this enormous part which would have required massive amounts of time in make-up, as he'd already been diagnosed with cancer. BTW Spall is 5'8", Hurt was 5'9", Paisley was 6'5".
Maybe John Hurt had died, where tf have you been? Under a rock?
@@kaydash3868 He's in the movie, bright spark.
very serious type move. what kinds of audience like most this kind of movie.
Pass the bucket
I'm gonna assume this movie is mostly fiction, right? I know obviously there was the conflict between England and Ireland but I would imagine they probably didn't stick the leaders of both sides in a car that ended up crashing in the woods which somehow inspired them both to reconcile... regardless, looks like a good movie, if not a little cheesy!
It happened.
Well isn't this film fitting for the current circumstances? These things are so funny.
wormtail!
I didn't know Ian Paisley was Jamaican!
I thought Spall's accent was pretty good
No, that's Roy Aitken's dad.
cannot figure out what the pirate character is for?
Pirate?
What is that, a British comic book Richard Nixon? lol. Also, wasn't old Billy Clinton involved in that peace?
Clinton was, so were John Major, Mo Mowlam, Peter Mandelson (and others)
When was this film released or has it yet to be released? I have heard nothing of this film until it ended up on my recommended page !!!!
Timothy Spall with weigh loss looks remarkably like Mr Paisley......Ugly!...lol.
I just cant take this movie seriously with that guy and his bad nixon impression
ok
Spoiler: They both die and everything starts to go to shit again.
Drama should spend way more time dramatizing history.
Not seen this film but I can see it's based on a false premise. That a democratic politician (even If I thought he was an insufferable knob) and a terrorist killer were on the same moral plane. And in the little bits presented in the trailers, I suspect that a "reasonable" McGuinness will be seen as winning over an "intransigent" Paisley. That is sad as it demonstrates a collective retreat form reality, morality and decency. The moral high ground was won by Paisley by accepting as an equal McGuiness. My family are Republicans, and in private they will (nearly) all admit its true. But down the Pub, even my siblings would say I'm talking bollocks, if I had the courage to talk about this. I think you can all guess why in that pub we stick to other subjects.
how much of is fiction, like based on real event is bullocks
It's called Northern Ireland not the north of Ireland give it some respect
Nothing to do with reality. Absolute rubbish. It's like a cartoon. It's embarrassing. It's a shame that talented actors were prepared to take the money and participate in this. For anyone, and particularly any American citizens, who think that this film might show what actually happened: please don't be fooled. I suggest that you travel to the North of Ireland and talk to real people in Derry, Armagh and Belfast etc to learn about what actually happened - to learn from the people who lived through the war and were involved in the 'Peace process' and the Good Friday Agreement - and to learn about the history of Britain in Ireland from when England and the Anglo/Normans first invaded Ireland 800 years ago - and to learn what has changed and what has not.
geoffrey smith have u watched it???
Here are some other people’s comments:
Cait Trainor My skin is actually crawling after watching this - I feel dirty 😣 warning - contains lies and Hollywood sentimentality
Bubba Ridgeway I clicked this and watched it. When it got to the part where they are in the car and he's saying "don't call me boy" I wondered if I wasn'
t watching a saturday night live sketch.
Ellis Rose We are Ireland ! Duh!
Michael Mcardle Colm meaney one of the greatest Irish actors ever.il def watch this when it's released
Cait Trainor I prob will too just for the cringe factor
Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor Ah here Cait this can't be real, it has to be some sort of piss take or a parody.
Cait Trainor Nope lol
Maggie Gordon Feel like you Cait , skin crawling .like I need shower
Peader Capal Núa Jasis what a load of tripe
John James Connolly Feckin chuckle brothers right enough
Martin Mc Loone 😂😂😂
Schlimm Jim Is Helen Mirren playing Mo Molem?
Shane Gallagher Ross Kemp as Johnny Adair lol
Shane Gallagher Steve McFadden as Sean MacStaphoin & Jeff Goldblum as Gerry kelly
Pol Mac Adaim W........T..........F..........???
Shane Gallagher Oscar Pistorius as Lord Mountbatten hehe
Brendan Gormley Totally agree with you Cait Trainor
Joseph One word Cringe
Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor I could understand people wanting to watch films about the Hunger Strikes or the Guildford 4 or Liam Neason played a UVF killer in a film, but a film about Marty & Paisley & the "Belfast Agreement" can only be the most mundane, non-controversial film ever. Imagine if someone made a film about Sunningdale back in 1974, it would just be bizarre.
Pól Ó Scanaill Even with Colm Meaneys acting skills he could never portray McGuinness's level of subservience.
Rowan Clarke I was hoping Pennywise the Clown popped up and ate them
Rowan Clarke If only they knew the truth about Paisley. That he was a closet Irish Nationalist who despised the Brits and the Royal family, but who used Unionism to get Protestants involved in his extremist sect where you are not allowed listen to music nor even go the cinema
Kieran Joseph They used to padlock our swings every Sunday ffs
Bosco Gilleece That was utter shit
Hans Sandyford Grunberg I must remember to miss that
Bosco Gilleece Any cinema showing that trash should be blown up
Sean Hall Domhnall Mac Concharraige Hollywood perverts history again
Eamonn O Luachrain A lot of tripe.
Gerry Shannon Oh the cringe of it all!!
Tommy Delaney flat out insulting
Kieran Joseph Gerry lookin very dapper on the left lol
Calm down.
Lots of people complaining that it's not a factual account. Saying things like "Hollywood perverts history again." (Interesting to note is that this was 100% produced in GB - no Hollywood here.)
There's *one* person who says anything about *what* was gotten wrong instead of only saying that they got something wrong.
The rest are a lot of bandwagon, pile on comments saying "me too".
Anybody care to actually explain what's wrong with the movie - preferably somebody who saw that the film calls itself a *fictional account* of the events?
Where's YOUR movie?
? goúd? Gotta c it.Thx u. 🙌😤💀♎
Here are some more people's comments:
Cait Trainor My skin is actually crawling after watching this - I feel dirty 😣 warning - contains lies and Hollywood sentimentality
Bubba Ridgeway I clicked this and watched it. When it got to the part where they are in the car and he's saying "don't call me boy" I wondered if I wasn'
t watching a saturday night live sketch.
Ellis Rose We are Ireland ! Duh!
Michael Mcardle Colm meaney one of the greatest Irish actors ever.il def watch this when it's released
Cait Trainor I prob will too just for the cringe factor
Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor Ah here Cait this can't be real, it has to be some sort of piss take or a parody.
Cait Trainor Nope lol
Maggie Gordon Feel like you Cait , skin crawling .like I need shower
Peader Capal Núa Jasis what a load of tripe
John James Connolly Feckin chuckle brothers right enough
Martin Mc Loone 😂😂😂
Schlimm Jim Is Helen Mirren playing Mo Molem?
Shane Gallagher Ross Kemp as Johnny Adair lol
Shane Gallagher Steve McFadden as Sean MacStaphoin & Jeff Goldblum as Gerry kelly
Pol Mac Adaim W........T..........F..........???
Shane Gallagher Oscar Pistorius as Lord Mountbatten hehe
Brendan Gormley Totally agree with you Cait Trainor
Joseph One word Cringe
Shane Gallagher Cait Trainor I could understand people wanting to watch films about the Hunger Strikes or the Guildford 4 or Liam Neason played a UVF killer in a film, but a film about Marty & Paisley & the "Belfast Agreement" can only be the most mundane, non-controversial film ever. Imagine if someone made a film about Sunningdale back in 1974, it would just be bizarre.
Pól Ó Scanaill Even with Colm Meaneys acting skills he could never portray McGuinness's level of subservience.
Rowan Clarke I was hoping Pennywise the Clown popped up and ate them
Rowan Clarke If only they knew the truth about Paisley. That he was a closet Irish Nationalist who despised the Brits and the Royal family, but who used Unionism to get Protestants involved in his extremist sect where you are not allowed listen to music nor even go the cinema
Kieran Joseph They used to padlock our swings every Sunday ffs
Bosco Gilleece That was utter shit
Hans Sandyford Grunberg I must remember to miss that
Bosco Gilleece Any cinema showing that trash should be blown up
Sean Hall Domhnall Mac Concharraige Hollywood perverts history again
Eamonn O Luachrain A lot of tripe.
Gerry Shannon Oh the cringe of it all!!
Tommy Delaney flat out insulting
Kieran Joseph Gerry lookin very dapper on the left lol
It does say fictional account of the true story. Wow what a waste typing all that when you could've just looked at the description.
low budget crap
zzz
Well, England propaganda.
Ireland for the real Irish men.
Let there be a United Ireland
Ooo aaa up the RA