ZWIFT RUNNING: HANDS-ON THE RUNN SMART TREADMILL SENSOR
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
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Runn smart treadmill sensor attaches to any treadmill and measure speed, cadence, and incline and transmits this data to Zwift or your desired app or running watch.
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FYI, your 10% off code still worked in December of 2021. Thanks, that saved me the shipping cost.
Glad you got the discount. Enjoy!
did I miss the discount code?
I just now also received 10% off from North Pole Engineering when purchasing their RUNN Smart Treadmill Sensorl. Thanks Tariq.
@@ggrossano You must click on the link supplied by Tariq.
I feel those 'losses' are due to heavy bouncing on the treadmill and it missing the stickers at times (especially if your treadmill is already cushioned / bouncy) , my solution to this is to mount the Runn upsiddown under the treadmill, cable tie the charging cable and hot glue gun it to the base (eventually I 3d printed a better cradle). 1) You won't kick the Runn accidentally, 2) the Runn is in dark and will illuminate the stickers 3) the charging cable is easier to not trip over 4) recalibrating isn't a problem now that its fixed in place.
Is it still for sale google here not showing it
Seems very nice for anyone that needs the running data. Thanks.
I run indoors on my personal treadmill so this is a great option for me.
great review, i bought one after watching. just came in the mail
Thanks for the video - was helpful w my initial set up and I didn’t have any issues. For me I got it for zwift bc I couldn’t take the speed inaccuracy of the foot pod any longer!
Awesome and glad the video helped with your setup. Run On 👍
I would like to clarify one point I failed to mention in the video. The Sensor measures speed on its own. It has two separate sensors at the bottom of the device and as each belt sticker passes under the sensors, it measures the time it took the sticker to go from sensor A to B and calculate the speed. So you might see a different speed reported by the sensor than the treadmill if your treadmill is not calibrated.
To clarify, no Android app yet? Thanks for the review; I find all your reviews informative.
That’s correct. No Android app yet. But really, the GymTrakr is not that important unless you want to update the firmware in the future if they ever release one.
Can you please or especially anybody else can talk about the accuracy.?
@@SmartBikeTrainers thank you for the great video and instructions about on how to calibrate (the provided instructions shipped with the device are not too clear) ... for Android the app "Configurez" can connect to the Runn device (which worked flawlessly with Android v10) and, according to the manual, update the firmware ... mine was shipped already with the latest firmware (which is as of now v3.1.8), so can`t confirm that is really works, but have no reason to believe that it won`t.
This is what I wanted to ask you, but I asked the company NPE after watching your video and they said to only calibrate if you want the runn to match your treadmill, but then that in a way defeats to object of having it for accuracy as the main reason I’m buying the runn is so I have accurate speed and pace as I know my treadmill like most is probably inaccurate,
Exactly the video I was looking for in order to know if it will work for me ! Thanks !
Great! Happy to help.
I like this idea. To me this would work well.
Thanks for making such an informative video. The Runn unit is fairly easy to set up, but you were able to clarify many things for me. FYI, the NPE Gymtrakr app is now available for Android.
Glad you found the video helpful. They did release a new app called Configurez, a couple of weeks ago, that is specific to the Runn and available for iOS and Android
Thanks for the insightful video. Was able to use your discount code to save $10.
That’s awesome. Glad you were able to get the discount. Thanks for watching 🙏🏼
Just charging mine ready for initial set up, I’ll check in with updates in couple of weeks!
updates?
Michael Bentley Yeah largely good. Few Minor issues keep it fully charged, Dont expect it to keep up with your actual pace on zwift etc even when properly set up and calibrated.
Have enjoyed it along with zwift has really got me back into running and enjoying it
Great video review, do you know if it supports curved treadmills
for 100$ this is currently (besides getting a 2nd hand strydlive ) the best option hands down imo
if i read and see the feedback on this unit big thumbs up (hvnt tried it myself yet )
if you have the cash i would deffenitly recommend the stryd tho way more portable and u can use it inside and outside and in every gym
overall i think 100$ is a fair price and we deffenitly need more of the "mid price range" devices that are good value for money and accurate
(just like they did with smart bike trainers )
as for now like the strydlive / traeadtracker / and now this unit are the only 3 real options but for some feeling i have a feeling this will be also a x ammount of units being made run )
i am 1 that got their hands on a strydlive when they was still selling them for 100 $ atm it was a huge investment for me but so happy i did cause the unit is spot on good battery life and easy to take with me on trips
That Stryd Live was a great option. Too bad they pulled it out of the market. They possibly left a big market behind.
Sounds interesting...
Thanks for this thorough review. Did you also test the Runn using Ant+ to connect it? Interested to see if those weird dropouts at 4:35 was due to BT.
That’s a good point. I hardly ever use ant+. The only time I use it when testing devices. I did test the Runn with Ant+ and my Garmin watch and did not notice this drop out in cadence. But also, it was just a steady state run without intervals like I did in the example I showed in the video.
It is possible to connect to Garmin Fenix 3 Hr?
Would seem that a big advantage of this over the footpod for a home treadmill is if there are multiple runners in the household. Certainly would make the price gap smaller vs multiple footpods or even be cheaper with 3+ runners in the household.
Definitely that’s a big advantage for the Runn.
@@SmartBikeTrainers The coupon code you supplied, is it still valid? And is valid for North Pole Engineering site or at Zwift.com? Thanks.
The coupon works only on the NPE site not Zwift. Use TARIQ101 at checkout and should give you 10% off.
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Thanks for the great review. Any thoughts on how this would work on a self propelled treadmill like the Air Runner, which is curved but does not change in incline?
I personally didn’t test it on those treadmills but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work since the measurements come from the belt. So as long as you can attach the run to the treadmill and mark the belt, it should work fine.
How can this item detect and measure my cadence? And with which software can you see the incline? Cause it is not working with Zwift? So how can I use it? Thanks.
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The Runn is easy to evaluate: very interesting technical device that, if it works, solves two very big problems - owners of treadmills without Bluetooth or Ant +, or like me, an owner of a (Sole F-85) treadmill that communicates THE WRONG BELT SPEED! Sole has completely failed to address its product failure. But in the meantime, the Runn at least allows me to report my data accurately. Note: the Runn is extremely difficult to set up. My problem was getting it into sensing mode using the one and only button. Took me more than an hour. But if you can figure it out, it's a very useful device.
Glad you were able to figure it out. Happy running!
@SMART Bike Trainers Thanks Tariq! The Runn setup was needlessly frustrating. But I just kept trying, stepping away, trying again, and eventually I pushed that little white button in such a way that the sensing mode came on. (I used duct tape to attach two stickers to the belt.) Besides confirming my manual measurement that the belt on my treadmill is moving approximately 18% faster than reported, it also correctly reported that my treadmill was not sitting on a flat surface!
Estou querendo comprar o sensor Magene para usar no app zwift, tenho uma esteira, vou colocar no meu tênis para medir a velocidade será que dá certo?
Has anyone tried using this on an elliptical? Putting the stickers on the flywheel?
Nice presentation. I’m more likely to spend the $100 on the Runn for treadmill runningand get the foot pod for races.
Does this work with any other running App besides Zwift?
Very nice concise to the point presentation!
I only tested it out with Zwift and Rouvy. The Runn should work with any app that is compatible with third part sensors and Bluetooth.
If I had my own treadmill, maybe I would get one. As it is I run outdoors and at the gym, just not feasible due to price and just the setup. I would look weird and taking up treadmill time from some other user. Plus its public equipment and I don't get on the same treadmill each time so setup would have to be seamless and less than 1 minute or so. Sticking to the footpod...
Right, the setup process isn’t feasible for gym treadmills unless you can get away with putting some Velcro stickers on a few gym treadmills.
@@SmartBikeTrainers And having a collection of white stickers to stick along the actual belt!
Thanks for the video , do you have any advise about the stickers where can I buy replacements ? is there any other I can use ?
thanks in advance!
You can use whiteout in place of stickers. Also NPE offers stickers stencil that you can download and print here npe-inc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360038382092-What-if-I-need-more-Runn-sensor-strips-
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Hi, do you think the sensor could work on a curve manual treadmill?
it doesnt
so far my run experience on the RUNN speed sensor hasnt been as good. seem to be getting alot of speed dropouts which records very inconsistently especially at speeds above 11kmh. not sure is it because of belt slippage or bluetooth signal, but typically for every 10km, i have to run an extra 400-600m due to the speed drops. cant post pictures here, but its very visible from the speed graph at the bottom of the screen. i can see that yours is very consistent and smooth. have tried calibrating both on treadmill (while running) and without me running on it. cant seem to figure out why.
Hi!!!! If you run at a high speed, it is better to place a maximum of three stickers
I had the same issue. Don't ask me why but if I run on battery only the problem goes away. Cadence is another matter which always measures between 200 and 230 even when walking!
I just bought a Treadmill, and found out about Garmin Vitual Run (I do have the Garmin Run HR monitor). Would you suggest to buy RUNN or is my Garmin Fenix 6 + Garmin Run HR enough for a non-professional run?
Your Garmin fenix should have a treadmill feature. Might not be as accurate but it’s there if you want to save yourself some money. The Runn is great mostly with Zwift.
Can it send speed and cadence to a Garmin watch, like a foot pod?
Even though you might be able to pair it to a garmin or other smart watch, it doesn’t seem to register as a footpod. It’s best used with a running app.
When you pair this with a Garmin watch, what type of device is it detected as and what data is captured in the FIT file? Does it capture all three - speed, cadence and incline? I know these can be captured in Strava via Zwift, but what can I capture in Garmin Connect via a Fenix or Forerunner? And thanks for the review!
Only pace and cadence. Garmin doesn’t seem to record incline when in treadmill mode.
@@SmartBikeTrainers Thanks, so I'm guessing the Runn is just seen as a footpod then?
@@RogueDalek Yes, that's correct.
Thanks for review. What about polar v800 watch? will it receive incline from runn sensor?
Are you still using the Runn for treadmill and do you still recommend. Looking to add Elevation data to my Treadmill runs with Fenix watch. Thanks.
Yea, I’m actually still using it and logs miles almost daily. The only thing is the internal battery doesn’t hold charge anymore so I just have it plugged into a wall usb outlet all the time.
how does zwift handle incline? is there an alert or indication that you should manually adjust incline on your treadmill?
That's what I'm wondering. Can I change my incline and have it show and recorded in Zwift?
No incline alert will be displayed other than what’s displayed on the Zwift menu. Zwift will record the elevation changes based on how you change in Zwift.
Compatible with Polar Vantage V ?
Sorry I didn’t try it with a Polar watch. I would reach out to NPE to make sure it’s compatible
Is it possibile to combine Runn and RunPod in order to get speed and incline from Runn and cadence from RunPod? I guess a better cadence accuracy provided by the RunPod...
Yes you can. Just pair them Runpod as a cadence sensor in Zwift and Runn as speed.
SMART Bike Trainers do you think it's worth it?
I like mine. I’ve been using it almost daily without any problem.
Hi!! Thank you for the review!! Can you tell me how can I know if my Runn is fully charged?
If you see a solid blue light as it’s charging, that means it’s fully charged.
SMART Bike Trainers thank you!!
The GymTrakr app is available on android also
Only available for iOS
@@SmartBikeTrainers I downloaded it from google play and it seems to work
Great. I just saw it there as well. Good to know. Thanks 🙏
I think you said Runn comes with an app, can you send the data file to strava after each treadmill run? Does the app work on an iphone? Thank you for your videos!
You can’t use the GymTrakr app to record a run. So far, only to test it out and future firmware updates.
@@SmartBikeTrainers do you know of an IOS app that would work? Thanks!
I only tested it with Zwift which you can use for free if you intend to use it to only run. There are other running apps and as long as the app connects to other sensors in Bluetooth, then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.
@@SmartBikeTrainers Thanks!
Calibration needs more information. For example if the RUNN has a decent speed measuring sensor setup, why would you calibrate it to a consumer grade treadmill speed indicator? Also what does Swift have to do with calibrating the device? Not clear to me what that process entails (purpose etc.).
I did the calibration because the incline was off and unfortunately there is no way to calibrate the incline alone. Also, some runners prefer to have the treadmill and Runn speed measurement to match even though one of them can be off. Luckily, I know my treadmill is pretty spot on per various measurements I did.
Also, I learned not to ever go with manufacturers claims and that’s why I tend to run my own tests :)
You have to calibrate because you place the stickers anywhere from 12-15 inches apart. So, yes it calibrates to match the treadmill. If you know you’re treadmill, maybe set it to 4.9 or 5.1 mph to aim for exactly 5.0 real speed.
@@corearification You dont have a clue about what your are talking about. The RUNN calculates speed based upon when the white sticker passes at least two sensors (one at the front and one on the back of the RUNN unit. The stickers can be 15, 20, 25 inches apart it really doesnt matter other than far enough so at higher speeds it has time to reset between stickers I imagine. One needs more than one sticker to capture any variation in speed and perhaps average out any errors in one particular reading.
@@SmartBikeTrainers There is now an app made by NPE in which you can select incline and speed calibration independently
I just bought a treadmill with no bluetooth or ant+, so it's not possible for me to connect to any app for tracking my data. Now I somehow found the NPE Runn on the internet and I am thinking about getting one. The only thing that holds me back right now is that I don't really understand yet how the tool stores data or how it shares the data with other apps, because I am not really sure at the moment if I can share the data with apps like google fit, samsung health or nike club run. Is it possible to share the data with those apps or does an app really need to support specifically NPE Runn?
It / Runn doesn't store it. The app does...
You pair it as a sensor. A running watch or running phone app can be used. Most watches use the ANT+ and phones use Bluetooth. This thing says it can do both. I ordered mine, but waiting for delivery soon.
So just like a Heart Rate sensor can be used to send HR data to your watch or phone, this is a speed, cadence, and incline level sensor.
@@corearification Yeah but other than heartbeat sensors I realized that most fitness apps don't support the Runn sensor
Did you have trouble keeping the white stickers on the treadmill mat? And you mentioned inaccurate speed in Zwift, are you saying that Zwift reports a different speed than what the calibrated Runn app shows? And if it has it's own calibration why would you calibrate it in Swift?
After the initial calibration, mine was still off by about .2 mph. That could be due to the belt slowing down with every step. Running the calibration in Zwift solved that. It’s possible the runn is the more accurate one but if you want to match both speeds then the second calibration might help.
As for the stickers, I did lose a couple initially but so far so good. Make sure to press hard on each sticker as you attach them to the belt. I might get a white or silver duct tape and use that instead once I run out. Also, some reported using white-outs.
I don’t get it, our watches already capture our treadmill running data? Are you suggesting this is more precise?
Watches without a footpod are usually not very accurate. This device should be much more precise than just a watch.
D M my Garmin Fenix is almost exactly synchronized with my treadmill distance. This product looks cheaply made, I’d think a Stryd pod would be more reliable. Although if this can actually calibrate a treadmill that would be great
Is this better than a runpod?
Much better from an accuracy standpoint.
Does this work for walking?
Yes it does. It will work with any treadmill speed.
The runner example on the tmill is snap torturing his or her ankles with that running form...doesn't look normal...OUCH!
I want it! Just a little pricey 🤔
You can get 10% off with coupon TARIQ10
Do you find your Stryd good to use with Zwift? You don’t need both do you?
You don’t need both. The Stryd is pretty good and usually my go to for running. It’s just so expensive.
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For $100 it should have a battery level. Says A LOT to me right there
Broke down and ordered it after trying the foot pod which is TERRIBLE don’t bother.
NPE have now made an app where you can connect and see the battery level