The Fake Authority of Jehovah's Witness Elders
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I was a JW elder for years. Left a decade ago when I found out their false beliefs and doctrinal lies. I'd quite often regretted being misled by the Cult.
Same here; left almost 2 yrs ago. Reading the Bible in full context vs. cherry picked scriptures really opened my eyes.
May God use both you and George (who commented) for the glory of His Name.
The word was God.
The word was a god makes it contradict the father. They believe in multiple gods? The whole 1914 Jesus coming in silence is insane!
Thank God he opened your eyes, & led you back to him & away from the Watchtower Cult. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
you were kicked out for been a cheater to you wife ...admit it
Psalms 118:8-9
"It is better to trust in the Lord Than put confidence in man.
It is better to trust in the Lord
Than to put confidence in princes"
Correct, Elders are now calling themselves 🤴 Princes and their wives think they are 👸 Princess's! 😮
I always refer to the Watchtower Elders as the "Gestapo Enforcers," because they are "Company Men" whose job it is to enforce the insanely strict rules and mandates and procedures and punishments of Watchtower, and so many of these "Gestapo Enforcers" are outright egotistical bullies who love and enjoy having power and control over others...and those kind brothers who sincere want to help their fellow JWs are often treated like dirt.
Watchtower is a tyrannical dictatorship that destroys families, shatters relationships, and ruins countless lives in the name of "The Only True Religion." They need to be exposed for what they are. - Ephesians 5:20-14 NWT
Nothing fake about the damage they do 😮
Another great video D H. Another thing I've noticed is the JWs hate using the biblical word "Church" to describe themselves.
They love using non biblical words like Governing Body and Judicial Committee.
As you have stated many times, a High Control Group loves to control their members, and not LOVE their members.
Great work as always.
The story of the prodigal son Vs the watchtower reinstatement regime is one of the things that woke me up and caused me to leave in the mid 90s
Thank you for this upload. I disfellowshipped the JW religion in January after finding out about the worldwide csa coverups. Most of the elders here in the UK are window cleaners. They should stick to cleaning windows 🤦🏻♀
and you think ARC is a moral compass when it allows killings of unborn babies
and you think ARC is moral compass when it allows unborn babies to be killed
People only have authority over you when you give it to them. Its up to you.
I’ve used the example of the prodigal son several times with witnesses. It’s amazing and sad how they miss the point of that illustration
DH -- the chicken scratch of the guy slinking off trailing his red tie in his hand -- great imagery.
Absolutely one of the best videos I have seen. Well done on your logical research.
There are the same issues for christiandom, pastors and leaders believe they are the ones closet to “God” and they too get involved with your personal life.
What churches have you been to where the pastors or leaders are closest to God?
Legitimate leaders point people to God. There will always be false leaders (Koresh, Jones, Rutherford, Copeland, Osteen) who behave differently, but they don't represent true Christianity.
Another JW rule is if a man that got disfellowshipped, he must wait 5 years in order to become a ministerial servant now is that biblical or not???
"I desire mercy and not sacrifice."
The funny thing many JWs dont know is it used to be the congregation who decided if someone should be disfellowshipped and there was no shunning.
"The administration of discipline is not the function of the elders only, but of the entire Church. Thus it is evident that the Elders were in no sense to be judges of the members-hearing and judgment were left to the local body, or Church. Indeed, even if the transgressor refuse to hear (obey) the decision of the entire Church, no punishment is to be inflicted or even attempted. What then? Merely the Church is to withdraw from him its fellowship and any and all signs or manifestations of brotherhood. Thenceforth the offender is to be treated "as a heathen man and a publican." Matt. 18:17" Studies Series VI - The New Creation (1904) pp.289, 290
"According to this Scripture the very most that the church could do would be that, after having vainly endeavored to get the brother to repent and reform, it should withdraw special brotherly fellowship from him until such time as he would express willingness thereafter to do right. Then he should be received again into full fellowship.
In the meantime the brother may merely be treated in the kindly, courteous way in which it would be proper for us to treat any publican or Gentile, withholding the special rights or privileges or greetings or voting opportunities that belong to the church as a class separate from the world." Watchtower 1919 Mar 1 p.69
Как всегда превосходно! Я заметил что этот ролик быстро набирает просмотры, это очень радует! Кажется ютуб начинает видеть что ты делаешь лучший контент в своей теме. Я просто хочу сказать тебе: Пожалуйста продолжай и дальше делать это! Не останавливайся! ты нужен нам! Меня ты практически вывел из культа... я в процессе...
JW elder can sadly and only do harm.😟
It is disgusting, the most disgusting part of it all. Plus denying who Jesus is. The GB knew what they were doing when they appointed elders… for a scare tactic
Dogmatic direction, Dogmatic control. 🤥🤫
1 Corinthians 7 helps us to appreciate that as long as the child is under parental supervision then baptism is not required. As the Bible shows men and women were baptized.
Thank you always thank you💜
So so appreciate all your work and key critical thinking points!!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 I am lost in research trying to answer my families not questions, but statements that I know are not in the Bible now. You help so much break it down so easy and keep it biblical. This helps so so much! I will be in touch again soon. I’ve been working hard but watching all the time I can. Thank you Dave 🙏🏻
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
@Mr.DC3.1914 Just the way you respond in all caps, is exactly what alerts me. You are making statements, not reasoning with the Bible in whole. I am realizing when you deeply study the scriptures and not out of context, there is no way I can demote or call Jesus, an angel. I do not believe He is "equal" to God, but you are comparing God to something we can relate to as humans. That's what sent me into a spiral when I found out that, Jehovah's Witnesses had the belief of Jesus being "Micheal the archangel" ! How did I miss that for 36 years! (I know why now, because I was blinded to hearing what they wanted me to hear, I was born and raised as a JW) For some reason after being out 20 plus years, thinking I had separated myself from "God's Organization" and lost my belief that I could even pray, my mom made that statement about "Jesus being an archangel" and chills went through me and thus began my search for truth. I realized, I was not separated from God, that I could pray for truth and I began my journey.
I was not open to Jesus being God in the beginning of my search, but reading the book of John, 4 times alone in any other Bible, I cannot deny the Deity of our one God. Then going on and reading The Old Testament and The New Testament I could clearly see. As one of Jehovah's Witness's I couldn't even answer: What the gospel was. I was drilled on the books of the Bible Names, I was taught, Jesus was "The Great Teacher" and The Greatest Man That Ever Lived" I was horrified as a child of the artwork in the publications, I had nightmares as I was drilled with all this material, but not the Bible in context. Jehovah's Witness's don't research like that. I know that for a fact. I'm finding things in the Bible I never ever knew. They use scriptures just like you did, to try to make a point, and they get mad when you even suggest other scriptures contradicting their belief, they try to base faith on fear, I know because I was in fear for 58 years.
When you read the Bible in context jumping to such massive conclusions is so upsetting for me. The way you replied even further deepens my faith. Which is already solid now!
My son is having surgery today, so I can't respond in detail, but one thing that comes immediately to mind is you refer to Proverbs 8 in whole. Doesn't that chapter say "For my mouth will speak truth:" "All the words of my mouth are with righteousness", "Receive my instruction, and not silver, And knowledge rather than choice gold: For wisdom is better than rubies, And all the things one may desire cannot be compared with her." "For whoever finds me finds, life, And obtains favor from the LORD, But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul, Alll those who hate me love death". Who is speaking? Jesus. I believe Jesus is GOD's Son without doubt. I do not see where you could ever say Jesus is an angel or "Patron Angel" . That really sends alarm bells off in my very soul. Proverbs 8:17 "I love those who love me, And those who seek me diligently will find me." Who's speaking? Jesus. Would an angel say such a thing?
Have you read though Hebrews 1:5, "For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You?" And again, " I will be to Him a Father , And He shall be to Me a Son?" Hebrews 1 is every clear in addition, Hebrews 1:8-9 Who was Jesus according to God?
" But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever: A scepter of righteousness in the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness: Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You"
With grace and kindness this is my reply.
Lorie
@@Lorie_Fossa__CZT_Zentangle Heb 1:8 quoted Psalms 45 and it was initially applied to a human king with a wife, so you think GOD has another GOD who was a married human king? Jesus is called PRINCE-SAR which means in Hebrew PATRON ANGEL in Isa 9:6 which is the exact same hebrew word used for the archangel in dan 12:1. who is called the GREAT SAR. You think another angel is greater than Jesus as SAR? nOPE
@@Lorie_Fossa__CZT_Zentangle yOU OBViously missed JOhn 5:26 where Jesus was GIVEN LIFE by the Father, if you are GIVEN LIFE, you are a creation
Your videos are excellent! Informative and entertaining. So great!!
Great video, thank you!👍
These 2 verses prove Jesus wasn’t created:
"And I heard EVERY CREATED THING which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them..."
Revelation 5:13
That really stresses EVERY CREATED THING - - it doesn't say "some" or "most" or even
"every other thing".
It says: EVERY CREATED THING EVERYWHERE. It doesn’t leave any room for any exceptions.
Ok, so let's read the whole thing:
"And I heard EVERY CREATED THING which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, "To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever." And the four living creatures were saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and WORSHIPPED."
Revelation 5:13-14
That says 2 things:
1
Jesus is NOT included in EVERY CREATED THING - that means Jesus is NOT a created thing.
2
That clearly says EVERY CREATED THING worshipped Jesus.
Not really. You are using an odd version of the Bible. Greek interlinears don't use the word "created" in those verses.
@@donnyetta Not sure what Bible or Greek interlinear you are using. Rev. 5:13 uses the Greek words "pan ktisma" which translates to "all creatures" or " every created thing" according to Strong's concordance.
@@donnyetta I think you might need to look at an actual bible, you appear to be inventing data
The NASB 2020, note the date 2020. it's modern, it says
(NASB 2020) 13 And I heard every CREATED THING which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying,
(NET 2nd Ed.) 13 Then I heard EVERY CREATURE-in heaven, on earth, under the earth, in the sea, and all that is in them-singing:
(LSB Strong's) 13 And EVERY CREATED THING WHICH is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
These translations use biblical scholars.
The NWT does not.
A CREATure is a CREATED being.
Micheal Spielberg is 100 percent correct.
Thank you. I have the esv interlinear. The word therein used is "creatures" ........ All living things are creatures, surely? @@S.Her.
@@donnyettaHi there Donnyetta,
May God bless you abundantly!
I’m afraid your sweeping statement that “Greek Interlinears don’t use the word “created” in those verses” sounds pretty ridiculous.
Please tell me how many lexicons or Interlinears did you check?
Honestly. Sounds like you checked one and then made a statement suggesting ALL Interlinears.
Some information for you:
The Greek word is: κτίσμα
Transliteration: ktisma
Strong’s Number: 2938
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Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon says it means:
thing founded / created thing
creature
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Strong’s says it means:
an original formation
product / created thing / creature
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Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words says it means:
created thing
creature
product of the creative act
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The NASB, ASV, AMP, ERV - ALL translate it as:
“created thing”
Those are literal word for word translations.
Wikipaedia says about the NASB:
The New American Standard Bible is considered by some sources as the most literally translated of major 20th-century English Bible translation.
(Pope, Christopher. "Comparing Bible Translations: ConclusionsMay 21, 2013.)
Other translations translate it as:
“creature”
You can check “creature” in as many dictionaries as you want - they all include the definition: A CREATED THING
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Let’s look at the verse again:
“And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.””
Revelation 5:13
Even if you change ‘created thing’ to ‘creature’ it doesn’t change the meaning.
Jesus isn’t a creature (created thing).
Do you think it doesn’t include all angels?
Are you trying to deny that all angels in heaven are creatures?
excellent video
Your understanding and application of 1 Cor 5:11,12 is good. It also exposes the deep weakness of local body of elders that they would allow themselves to violate God's law and accept man's law.
Good point when referencing the Watchtower's claims for justifying judicial committees and constant judging as "surrogate judges for Christ." If they would have actually stopped their everlasting cherry picking of Bible verses and kept reading on to the next chapter of 1 Corinthians, chapter 4: 3-6; they would have hopefully derived a more balanced view of judging! But that wouldn't suit their "MO" now would it? (method of operation)
I recently listened to the recorded testimony of a former elder. There was a witness in Boston who was dying of cancer. The doctors told him that if he accepted a transfusion, it might keep him alive long enough for his family to travel from the west coast to see him. He took the transfusion. His local elders showed up at his hospice, gathered around his bed, and conducted a judicial committee, at the end of which they disfellowshipped him. They also announced at the local Kingdom Hall that anyone attending his memorial service would risk disfellowshipping as well. Imagine -- you've been a witness all your life, and you get DF'd on your deathbed. As a DF'd witness, you fail to meet the requirements for salvation, right? You're not associated with "Jehovah's organization", so the jig is up for you. Can you imagine the blow that would be for that dying witness? That's like a shepherd finding a dying sheep lying in a field and setting it on fire.
Could the story be fabricated? Sure. But that's not the point. Even if you don't believe the story is true, here's my question:
How is it that a group of MEN has the ability to judge you unworthy of salvation, and disfellowship you? How does their decision about your conduct and worthiness obligate God to damn you? Who is in charge -- Jehovah, or the elders? The presumptuousness of this whole thing is mind-blowing. Since when does the power of salvation rest in the hands of these ego-maniacal men?
The WT is in crisis. Numbers are down. Their dark secrets are being exposed. Governments are taking away their protected status and financial stipends.
I think that within the next five years or so, we'll see changes to some key doctrines in an effort to improve their public image and their protected/subsidized status:
- CSA. We'll see reporting become mandatory. I don't expect to see a change in the "two witness rule" so they'll still be able to avoid taking any action within the organization, but they'll have to kick things over to the local authorities, or public sentiment will grow increasingly negative, as will government relations.
- Blood. It's going to become a "matter of conscience", just like organ transplants did in 1980.
- Disfellowshipping. At the very least, I think we'll see a "year of jubilee" amnesty where DF'd people are broadly restored. "Welcome back, everybody. Now --- BEHAVE or else!"
Without changes to the kinds of doctrines and policies that are keeping the organization in a negative spotlight, they'll continue to decline.
And they might actually already be moving in a more progressive direction as indicated by some of the recent announcements. Removing Tony Morris makes sense given that he was probably the most hardline member of the GB and would have been opposed to the kinds of changes we've seen and will probably continue to see.
Evan, who do you think you are fooling? Yourself maybe? Unfortunately some of us that are in the know are able to easily refute your egregious claims. "Numbers are down." Oh, really? In 2022 emerging from a worldwide pandemic where the face-to face ministry ground almost to a complete halt, there was STILL a 0.4% increase with 145,522 baptized. In the 2023 Service report recently released, the increase was 1.3% with 269, 517 baptized and 217 new Congregations established.
Not prepared to take my word for it? It's all on the website. Or just google it. 'JW 2022 (Or 2023) Service Report'.
"Could the story be fabricated? Sure. But that's not the point. " Yes it very much is the point. You wouldn't have posted it if you weren't aiming for effect. From a "former Elder", huh? Couldn't just be that he was bitter, right? I've NEVER heard of a 'Deathbed disfellowshipping".
" I think that within the next five years or so, we'll see changes to some key doctrines in an effort to improve their public image and their protected/subsidized status:" You mean water down the good news? No. That was what the Judaizers advocated for. Loyal Brothers and Sisters are "..not ashamed of the good news." (Romans 1:16)
"Governments are taking away their protected status and financial stipends." So? This comment by itself shows you are unaware of the times and how hard life becomes for everyone, and especially true believers in the end times. It will only get worse before it gets better. (Daniel 11 - " The land of decoration". - Matthew 24:9; John 15:18-21; 2 Timothy 3:1,12)
still spewing your antiJWs propaganda? as the Bible said "1 Corinthians 5:13
while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.”" Who was given authority to REMOVE THE WICKED PERSON?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You have me all wrong, DC. I'm actually PRO-JW. I'm just anti-lie, and therefore anti-WT doctrine. That's the whole point of videos like this -- to help JWs see that they've been lied to and to help them. Love the JW, hate the WT.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 You misjudge me, DC. I'm actually PRO-JW. Jesus died for JWs just like anyone else. It's the WT's doctrines I oppose. I'm pro-truth, anti-WT.
@@Mr.DC3.1914 If JW's want to throw someone out of their group, that's their call. But when they start claiming that being put out of the JW organization is the same as being separated from God, they're overstepping and deserve to be called out on that.
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Thanks!
Wow. My man you are too kind. Thanks so much for everything ❤️
@@LightoverDarkMinistry You're welcome. Those of us with superhero bedsheets and jammies (I'm assuming you have the proper jammies) need to stick together. (Just as long as you don't have the Green Lantern ones.)
@@evanwindom3265 No matter what position you’re in, you’d be justified in telling someone to burn their green lantern bedsheets
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I once heard a comedian talking about superheroes. One of his buddies said that Green Lantern was the greatest superhero because he wore a ring that gave him great power. His response? "No man who wears a ring has power."
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When one returns yes when they repent there always should be joy like finding that lost sheep.
But the JW sheep wasn’t lost, they were kicked out of the pen.
@@TheVelvetteButterfly doing wrong is not being lost?
@@bretherenlee1404 Someone who is an unrepentant sinner is lost. However there are JW’s who leave not because they lost their faith in God but they lost their faith in the GB and the organization. Therefore they are kicked out of the pen. They didn’t sin.
@@TheVelvetteButterfly putting faith in humanoids is error. Jeremiah 9:4
@@bretherenlee1404 Then why do JW’s put faith in the GB?
Yes, you are right in part. But our belief in Christ goes far beyond a body of elders (no matter how good or bad they are in doing their job). In my limited experience of JW's Elders, they suffer greatly not only from a clear lack of direction from the GB but also from a lack of closeness to the holy spirit.
They have none!
This is the exact reason I left the JW's over 3 decades ago after a few years with them, these so called 'Elders' seem to make up the rules as they went along also I didn't agree what those so called 'Faithful Slave' was a bunch of blokes and they would dish out their 'law' plus the organisation kept changing the goal posts. I got absolutely annoyed when they said everyone would be coming back to life including the murderers and all those that were beyond help and it would be up to those who survived Armageddon to teach them!!! For years I didn't read the Bible but now in my seventies I seem to have developed these need for truly getting to know the Gods word, so I bought a Bible (with larger print) and with the help of some UTubers I'm at last beginning to have a much better appreciation and understanding of God's Pure Word as well as his Son Jesus Christ. Thank you Lord God.🙏
The Jewish synagogue always had a "Beit Din" a congregational court to listen to and judge matters that arose about menbers and between members.
The universal Church too, Mat. 18, 17-18 and Mat. 16, 17-19.
We are not under The Mosaic law.
They also shall be punished. And those who support their crimes. They operate as the government. Even though the gov is worse for they also use violence to commit their crimes.
Hebrews 13:17 Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an account, so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you.
If anything goes amiss in a Congregation the Elders have to answer for it.
That is pure bull the Elders seldom are held responsible. Take drunkenness for example, I being baptised in 1970 and seen absolute drunkards as Elders who are never removed. Even CO's! And if you really examine the Greek word used at Hebrews 17 you will find that it is actually obedience out of trust not blind obedience. 😮do your homework! I have had every Elder use this scripture to support blind obedience and I was baptised in early 1970's. How about you? I can tell you some things you cannot make up! Then having to sit there listening to that Elder give public talks while he is committing adultery even aborting the child to hide and cover it up! 😢😮
@@universeworld1782 : Hebrews 4:13 And there is not a creation that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of the one to whom we must give an account.
@universeworld… absolutely agree with your comment! I could fill the page with true stories of what I saw go on in the congregation that finally convinced me this religion is a filthy cult. Elder’s daughter shacking up with a married man in the elder’s own basement suite!! Same elder’s daughter involved with a wife swapping club in our congregation. Nothing ever done about this or other blatant immorality. People complained about this and many other things to HQ. Bethel flunky comes out to investigate. Who does this numbskull investigate? Not the elder, none of the culprits… he investigates the ones who complained!!
The whole thing is just an affront to common sense and common decency!
Finally, i would advise everybody to stop 'bitching' about what they think is wrong and actually go and do something about it.
Like what other than leave, are you suggesting violence? Do something about it when it will cost you being shunned by all your friends you ever had all your family members shunning you. 😢 all you can do is complain! Remember the illustration of the neighbor asking for bread late at night?
My oh my! What infantile reasoning. "Do something about it" depends on the type of person you are. You may think of "violence" - me I go to the JW's and talk to them f2f. Some like it, some show themselves just like you have.@@universeworld1782
@@universeworld1782 Leave in groups if possible. Find like minds who see the cult for what it is and want to get out. Ideally one could leave as a family to avoid the ever so cult and unholy practice of shunning. But above all else, (generically speaking) get OUT! It's a person's life. Stay in (and thus support) an unholy cult practicing lies and vicious hate against many of their own is not a life well lived. It's awful that one would have to risk very real shunning. Some such cases break families apart forever. i have never had the remotest connection to JW but knowing who I am, I know I would break free. If the worst happened and you lost relationships at least you would know that it is not you severing those ties, it is their choice. You could find support groups religious and secular to help you as well. But yes the perceived degree of potential loss would be immense and a great hardship.
I curse the day this cult ever came to light and I hope that one day it will go back to the darkness of the pit from which it came! Now a prediction for the end of JW altogether would be a prediction date that would get me excited!
Doing something about it has cost many ex-JWs their friendships, their relationships with relatives and sometimes their jobs if working for another JW! There’s no way a person who’s been wronged by this draconian religion can get past the religion’s hardline policies. Even if you go to their “judicial” committees armed with all the proof in the world you’ve been wronged not one JW will give you the time of day!
Eph. 2:8-10. Salvation.
Just noticed the image at 9:48. The elders are in suits. The evil, backsliding miscreant is not. Subtle.
The holy words govern all aspects of life. Matthew 15:9
Did I miss the elder's guide link?
I forgot it, but added it now. i aM dUmB
I have questions
Interesting thanks , I was just doing some research on the Generation doctrine that Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:34 and compared it to Matthew 23:36 According to what i have come up with i found a better interpretation. Matthew 23:36 The generation is a spiritual one of all the evil people from the beginning starting with the death of Able who must pay for what they have done Matthew 24: 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by NO MEANS PASS AWAY till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
( The funny part is that the watchtowers generations keep passing away millions now will never die but they did ) What is your input on this ? Just an opinion
Current JW and its hard to defend the religion with obvious false teachings, i try to focus only my relationship with God and align my beliefs as correctly as possible but still dont know what to do when literally my whole family is JW, thank God that salvation doesn’t depend on knowledge
God can use you to help them break away from the darkness.
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
@@Mr.DC3.1914You are very confused. The word "made" does not mean created in Acts 2:36. The same Greek word is found in the Septuagint in application to God (Isaiah 63:12, 14).
@@kardiognostesministries8150 THE word MADE in Greek has many meanings, and it also means CREATED. GOD made the heavens and the earth, so is MADE not created? When was Jesus MADE as Lord?
@@Mr.DC3.1914No, it means just like it does in Isaiah 63:12 and 14. "Lord" is used in reference to Jesus in that He is YHWH (Acts 2:21; cf. Joel 3:5 Septuagint).
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And what a better way to keep twisting the prodigal son parable than to make a movie about it in 2013. Jehovah's food at due time!!🙏🙏
There’s a movie?! How did I not know this! I should do a movie review!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry Its a "modern day" drama but based on the JW who falls away from the truth and recieves forgiveness later on. Haha yes, I would love to see your reaction!
Make me laugh thinking they have power, only do if you let them 😅
The issue is not about talking to adult children it is associating when they are unrepentant. The prodigal son s father did not associate with him while he was off doing what he did.
"The prodigal son s father did not associate with him while he was off doing what he did." Ummm... hmmmm... Well, yeah. There was this small matter of physical distance. You're making kind of a nonsensical argument from hole cloth here.
@@evanwindom3265 the son went away and did do wrong in his father's house. When he repented he was able to return. He had to stop doing wrong.
1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,”
i don’t see a link to the “shepherd the flock of God” book in the description…
I knew I was forgetting something. In there now!
@@LightoverDarkMinistry thank you!!
If the religion isn’t biblical, WHY and HOW is it still a religion??
2 Corinthians 11:14
We know scripturally that the watchtower and the Catholic church and others are of the man of lawlessness because of how they wield power.
Jesus gave his authority to the Church he founded in Mat 16, 17-19.
@@aadschram5877 what authority and what church?
Acts 20:30
CARIBOU, Maine (WGME) -- A former Jehovah’s Witness elder in northern Maine has been found guilty of sexually assaulting young children.
According to the Bangor Daily News, a jury found Ernest Fyans guilty of gross sexual assault and unlawful sexual contact.
Fyans reportedly sexually abused two children, who were under the age of 12 at the time, in the early 1990s. The victims' families were members of Kingdom Hall Jehovah’s Witness in Fort Kent where Fyans was an elder.
Yep -- keeping that congregation clean. I wonder how many people he DF'd during his tenure.
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (WGGB/WSHM) - A 62-year-old Springfield man, classified as a Level 3 Sex Offender is facing years in jail after being found guilty on multiple counts of Indecent Assault and Battery on a Child.
The female victim in this case was 13-years-old at the time, according to the Hampden District Attorney’s Office.
@Mr.DC3.1914 Is that what you mean by Stewards, DC?
Nope, even a current elder can be disfellowshipped for abuse and committing a crime. Does not mean that JWs condone those. you can find abusers in any religion and you think GOD condone those? Nope. So, pls stop twisting as if JWs condone those.
Pls research Spain: A Hate Speech Campaign Against the Jehovah’s Witnesses
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Proof?
@@Mr.DC3.1914 No one is saying that such abuses are unique to the WT. But it does seem clear that they routinely fail to take action.
1,600 alleged offenses by over 1,000 different abusers *_were recorded in congregation records_* in Australia. NONE were reported to the police. They say that victims are free to contact law enforcement. If that's the case, and there's no pressure to keep it within the organization, why would NONE of those people have reported the abuse? Those abusers most likely were never DF'd for two reasons:
1. They were never reported to the police, so they were never found guilty of a crime.
2. Because the WT misuses scripture to create their "two witness rule", no action would have been taken against those abusers by the organization. The two witness rule applies or it doesn't. You can't claim it both ways.
If you haven't already, you should watch the videos of the Australian Royal Commission. I'll warn you, though, that you really not going to like it. It's hard to watch, and I'm not even a JW. In some of those instances, the elders DF'd the VICTIM when she couldn't stand to be around her abuser anymore. Is that what shepherding the flock looks like?
@@evanwindom3265 you know you are LIED TO right? ARC first of all is not a moral compass as it allowed killings of unborn children.
@@evanwindom3265 As American scholar Holly Folk demonstrated in Bitter Winter, the Royal Commission’s figure of 1,006 cases of suspected sexual abuse of minors reflects the sum of all disciplinary reports and referrals, proven and unproven, that had been submitted to the Jehovah’s Witness organization in Australia over a 65-year period. These data were supplied to the Royal Commission by the Jehovah’s Witnesses themselves. The Jehovah’s Witnesses had regarded 383 of the 1,006 allegations as serious enough to be reported to the police, and 161 had resulted in convictions.
Tell who are the people in 1 COR 4 are, who are called BROTHERS AND FAITHFUL and STEWARDS. Are those babies and ADULTS who are NOT FAITHFUL TO GOD that will REMOVE THE WICKED?
I am waiting until 50% will remained in this organization, this will prove how Jesus compared his established organization to 10 virgin women , which 5 of them are foolish, while the other 5 are wise, which remained since Jesus the groom invisibly arrived,
There is no cherry picking because each cherry of the holy words are beneficial.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
"There is no cherry picking because each cherry of the holy words are beneficial." Do you think context matters?
@@evanwindom3265 yes and you should apply that by showing where the scripture says what you say. Context is not about personal belief or narrative
@@bretherenlee1404 So we can pluck out phrases from Scripture (like "Go not from house to house." Luke 10:7) and make it into a doctrine that doesn't fit the Scripture's context? (Like teaching that door-to-door witnessing was condemned by Jesus based on that Luke 10:7 phrase?)
Of course context matters! 🤦
@@bretherenlee1404 I never said I didn't think context matters. I'm not the one who believes there's no such thing as cherry-picking. That's naive.
@@S.Her. ys they would not transfer from house to house as to if one house took them in but another house took them in and it is a better house and better meals .
But what is your point? How does this help you in making your point
Babelon the great all false religion
tell who are the people in 1 COR 4 are, who are called BROTHERS AND FAITHFUL and STEWARDS. Are those babies found in a church and ADULTS who are NOT FAITHFUL TO GOD that will REMOVE THE WICKED?
Jesus was given the right to judge by our heavenly Father. John 5:22 Jesus told his followers not to judge one another. Matt.7:1 To judge fellow believers would be unchristian.
To not judge fellow believers would be unChristian (John 7:24).
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. U have to accept in as Lord and Savior. Jws don't do this 🤦♂️
Sorry,child rapi g is not being reported,and if a victim doesn't listen to the elders and report her or his rape to the authorities, some will be disfellowshiped for not following their order, go on line look up Australian royal commission.
Acts 20:28 1 Peter 5:1 they are shepherds
Do you think the way the elders in the WT conduct themselves fits the description of "shepherds"? Honestly, I often have trouble trying to figure out what point(s) you're trying to make with your cryptic comments. Can you elaborate a little so we know what you're trying to convey, please?
@@evanwindom3265 what don't you understand? The elders have responsibility for the flock thus authority. The disconnect is that you may think authority such as that unchecked. Whether they are doing their job is the only issue.
@@bretherenlee1404 What does this even mean? "The disconnect is that you may think authority such as that unchecked." It seems like you a word out.
@@evanwindom3265 you know what I am saying. Humanoids want unchecked authority. The Bible shows not to do that. The watchtower wants it as much as many others, and there is the problem.
The prodigal son did not do those wrong things in his father's house his return showed he left that life behind
Right, it's called repentance. What's your point?
Yes, and when Hhe returned it was to celebration and jubilee.
The Son was immediately restored. Not so the practice of Watchtower; there is "partial" forgiveness, the rest is worked off you can come back if....you sit in the back for a year, don't comment, no "privileges," miss no meetings, etc...
That is not biblical restoration, that is buying a stairway to "paradise earth."😅
Jesus never set up a 3 elder judging committee.
@@richbaker7187 it's call stop doing what is wrong and do what is right. It is called stop being rebellious and do the works. John 15:14
@@mattmurdock2868 yes for sure the watchtower is not doing right but neither is your concept right about this
The produgal son did not continue his bad behavior
"The produgal son did not continue his bad behavior" How do you know that? There's nothing in scripture one way or the other on that point. That's eisegesis. What's your goal here? What are you trying to say?
@@evanwindom3265 is that not importance. Is this parable not about true repentance meeting true forgiveness?
The prodigals dad and everyone at the dinner would be sitting before a judicial committee. Also what scriptures say it takes many months or years to prove repentance
@@jimmchemings6140 well the watchtower does not obey Jesus in this matter,so they are not a good example. There way of doing it lacks mercy and allows them to have what they should never have; unquestioned authority.
@@bretherenlee1404 Thank you
Typical. (And yes, I watched the video.) The Bible says not to "Despise authority". (2 Peter 2:10; Jude 1:8) So what does LODM and the other usual suspects have to say about it? 'No, noooo! DESPISE authority!'
Did I hear a certain somebody say that they would "Mouth off" at an elder that pointed out something they thought was a little off in their home? Did that same certain someone tell us we should do the same? ("...Daring and self-willed, they are NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK ABUSIVELY of glorious ones," 2 Peter 2:10)
Today's Wheel of Fortune final puzzle. A phrase. I chose p, c and h for my extra consonants and a for my vowel. Any ideas, fellas?
S p _ r _ t _ a l A n a r c h _ s ts.
Matt. In my church, I’m not on staff, but have a high position in the teaching roll. I am under the authority of the elders, because I have put myself there. I personally disagree with some very minor ways the church operates, but I don’t try to subvert their roll or give them grief. Now If I was cheating on my wife, and continued about in my church thinking nothing was wrong, the Elders would approach me. If I continued in sin, without repentance, I would be removed from my positions. However if I was leading a clean life, and had a Cigar while camping. and 2 of them showed up at my house, wanting to have a judicial committee based on my “sin” I’d kicked them out of my house, because it’s none of their business. Point is, they don’t control my life. Not what I eat, how i evangelize, my non essential beliefs, or what kind of bedsheets I have, all are entirely my business.
Now if you want to give that type of control to your elders, you do you, but my point is that it they are saying their near absolute control is biblical, I’m saying it isn’t.
What’s your opinion on earning your way back to the congregation and the WT’s use of the prodigal son story?
@@davidagnew8792 “that is a contradiction” 😶😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🥲😆😆😆😆. Oh man. David what does more damage to the body, puffing on a cigar without inhaling, or spending a day at a sunny beach, or eat a double bacon cheeseburger, or bacon covered French fries, or just having bacon. See this reveals so much about how indoctrinated you are. GB says cigars are evil, you believe they are, even though it’s not in the Bible. Being overweight, no problem, even though gluttony is a sin in the Bible. So it doesn’t matter what the Bible says, just what your leaders say.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry "...WT’s use of the prodigal son story?" I have no problem with WT's use of the prodigal son story, because we see it for what it is. Whereas you and others apparently see it for what it's not: A step-by-step manual for rejoining the congregation. That's not what it is at all!
It's telling us three things in particular. A) It's much wiser to remain in the security of God’s people, under Jehovah's care. B) If we do end up straying, we should humbly return once we've come to our senses, confident that Jehovah is willing to forgive us. And C) We should imitate the Father in the parable (Who represents Jehovah) by warmly welcoming back those who have repented and returned to Jehovah's Organization.
I recall at one point in the video where you attempt to link the prodigal son to the criminal on the stake next to Jesus. That's comparing apples and oranges. Jesus was able to say to guy on the stake that he would be with him "in paradise" because he of course knew about the future resurrection of the "righteous and the unrighteous". (Acts 24:15) Luke 23 has nothing to do with forgiveness of sins and returning to Jehovah.
There is brochure you can probably get your hands on called 'Return to Jehovah'. You can find out what is required ("earning your way back to the congregation") from that.
Just a quick question. What part of the story has the son earning or proving his repentance? Also the thief on the cross, I wasn't comparing, I'm talking about heart justification. To the WT, simply having a heart conversion isn't enough, it needs to be proved with works. A true heart conversion is enough to be justified in the eyes of God. This is what the thief on the cross did. He recognized he was a sinner, he recognized Jesus was his Lord, and called out to him for forgiveness, and paradise was promised that day. TODAY you will be with me in paradise. @@mattgardiner614
@@LightoverDarkMinistry elders do not show up at your own house to disfellowship you or do a judicial hearing.
Jesus did not go through all he did for you to do as you please
I don't think anyone is saying that. That's definitely not the point of the video. Are you reacting specifically to something in the video? Again, if you could be a little less cryptic, I think that would help people understand what you're trying to say. I'm not trying to criticize -- just to suggest how to help people know where you're coming from.
Huh...I didn't get that from the video. Please say at what time DH sad that. Or can you just not resist in coming our from under your troll bridge and just type away with whatever half-thought pops into your head?
@@evanwindom3265 I don't understand what you are saying?
@@richbaker7187 what do you mean when you say works don't matter? Jesus didn't die for you to do nothing.
@@bretherenlee1404 I'm saying that the video isn't advocating that you can do whatever you please. You're inferring that all on your own.