Terra Invicta Guide - Alien threat level (and how to avoid total war)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2022
- For many players of Terra Invicta - the 2020s end in a positive fashion. You probably have a few good nations under control, you've got a space economy running, and your technological development should be proceeding well.
Then, sometime in the late '20s or '30s, the aliens start changing their behaviour, they start launching retaliation attacks, and from there many players struggle to out-build the damage.
The trick behind this, which the game explains (but not loudly or well enough) is that the aliens are willing to tolerate some actions by humanity, but more than that invites measured retaliation - and if you provoke them too heavily, they will continue to strike back in response.
In this video, I talk through the alien threat/hate mechanic and how you can manage it in order to stay (mostly) under their radar until you're prepared to challenge them openly. - เกม
I think potatomcwhiskey will find this guide useful haha
we've talked :)
13:38 “Mercury Dyson sphere”😂
I feel personally called out by the existence of this guide
@@PerunGamingAU can you release the video faster?
I cant wait a day or more for it
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Your sacrifice will be remembered
"Humanity Counter Offensives - Seven Years from Moon to Mars"
"End of the Monitor? (no) - Defense Arrays and Spaceship losses around Mercury"
"Hydra's closest ally - Could the Servants successfully invade Australia? (probably not)"
"Mercury Dyson Sphere."
Yep, no explanation needed. That was gold.
LOL, had the same exact thought :D
im glad i watched this the dyson sphere was well under way
The first faction I played as was the Servants, and I tell you what - It was so unbelievably EASY by comparison, to say, a Humanity First playthrough. I literally didn't have to build any space stations, bases or ships. Everything I did was on Earth. I just spent my time sabotaging all the other factions' efforts, nuking them to hell, and basically making it impossible to resist the aliens. Once the Alien Nation got going (as Russia), it was basically on an unstoppable warpath of death and destruction. Those 7.4 miltech spider mechs are freaking unstoppable.
I keep looking for a Servants play through
TRAITOR!
Ofc, the servant dont have to worry about the big bad Alien compared with other factions. It literally the Boss become your Sugar Daddy
@@AlbanAwan Servants are so easy that any playthrough would just be boring by comparison. Perun's playthrough is way more entertaining, because there's an actual challenge to the game, and he has to fight in space battles.
Servants are good for learning the basics to the game for beginners
Without you, I would be unable to enjoy this extremely ambitious game. Thank you so much for your guide and playthrough!
Man, the aliens don't pull punches. Because I've been watching your playthrough I made an effort to keep my MC to an upper limit of just under 100, and it was fine for a while. Up until I had the bright idea to detain a second alien councillor only a few months after the first; the aliens then proceeded to blow up most of my LOE stations which triggered the Kessler syndrome event. RIP a good chunk of the earth's economy.
How were you able to detain the alien operatives? I never get the option and the probability of success of an assassination with a espionage 21 councilor with 5 intel with max allocation of resources gave me a pitiful 18~32% probability, and I failed them all.
@@emilioperez6888 first get to 25, then you just roll the dice while investigating it. You can get to i think like 50-70% chance
@@emilioperez6888 You need to assassinate first then later you get the ability to capture them. Assassinating them is a bit tricky, stack your espionage as high as possible then keep going at the 30-50% odds and you will get it eventually. Its easier if you can target them outside of servant controlled nations and obviously having a big ops income makes it a lot less punishing to fail.
I'll add that you need to protect the operative as well.
@@TheRockhound119 Detaining aliens requires tech as well and more complete intel adds a bonus to your role so you might want to investigate multiple times if your not comfortable with your odds.
The math of Perun's advice (found on wiki):
Normal difficulty = 0.3 threat per used MC (Cinematic 0,05; Veteran 0,6 and Brutal 1). 0.3 * 90 = 27/50 threat, a little over the halfway point.
All but the two highest threat-generating actions (I won't spoil them) fit within the remaining threat. You can destroy 2 tier 3 habs or 2 facilities and still be under the 50 threat cap of retaliation.
The wiki does not mention how much threat detaining or killing an Alien councilor generates, but since they're very important assets, I'd say it's probably a lot.
Side note on threat meter: It is only updated when the aliens conduct a mission against your faction or by doing a Contact mission on an alien councilor. So the only way to check if your threat level has dropped enough to reheat the conflict is by knowing of, and contacting an alien councilor.
Two things are still unknown it seems:
1. Are there activities that actively BLEED OFF hatred (ie attacking alien-unfriendly factions; dismantling bases; building civilian/research vs resource/warfare?)
2. What is the AI FACTION thresholds and do they affect yours? While your own actions may provoke them, would a GENERAL PRESENCE OF ALL FACTIONS be a factor of specific threat? Or does the threat of one faction not affect others? CAN I ALLY A HOSTILE FACTION AND HAVE THE ALIEN FIGHT THEM only for me to remain UNHARMED!?
These are important questions we need to solve; perhaps one faction is considered notable, but maybe multiple factions in space SHARING RECOURSES CAN BE A STRONGER PRESENCE WITHOUT REACHING THR HOSTILITY THRESHOLD????
I think each faction has their own threat meter. If YOU go over the cap, the aliens nuke YOU, not someone else. It makes little sense (because how would the aliens know?) but it's just something to be handwaved as game mechanics.
@Catashe I’ve gone so far past the point of no return, that I destroy everything that I can find and kick the aliens teeth in up in space while I’m at it.
But damn those late game alien councilors are a bitch to kill, 25 security+home territory+’alien’+capping other aliens.
35+ defense
Please stop YELLING during your POSTS IT'S REALLY ANNOYING.
@@ExceedProductionno.
The aliens only respond to actions against the sarvents and protectorate.
The only after they contact the aliens.
The aliens will increase the hate at violent acts and only a percentage of what that faction hates grow .50% in case of servants and 1/10 in case of protectorate.
You can cool of factions with diplomatic. But not with the aliens.
I think we all know who this video was really for with that "Mercury dyson sphere" statement. :P
Thanks for this! In the late 2020's, just captured my first alien, and decided I should probably lay low for a while. Wasn't sure what all would piss them off though. Appreciate the lack of spoilers, been fun slowly learning more and more.
How the hell did you capture an alien that fast?
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons Piled all my resources on the guy that was best at it and got lucky probably. I remember it being a pretty low chance of success
The 'Total War' date depends upon difficulty level. 2042 for Normal, 2037 for Veteran, and 2022 for Brutal. Yes, that does mean that on the hardest difficulty Hate never bleeds off once you exceed the 50 'War' threshold (unless the aliens destroy all your space stuff).
what about cinematic?
@@cjcolehour2778 I believe it never occurs on Cinematic (and the MC 'floor' limit is 1000 used MC).
I played on Hard, I got full scale invasion on turn 2034. 15 armies with 8.3 tech. Deal with that brah. If you dont have by 2034 both USA and Russia , you are dead. No way you can deal with 8.3 in 2034 , but send it 15 nukes. And live with nuke wastes for a while.
So I'am not sure about 2034.They should have changed it in recent patches. I was waiting for an invasion in 2037 or even 2039. 3 years earlier was a bad hit to my face. They descended in Africa, good luck to spend lot of time to make your way trough , while they were annexing country after country. And good luck clearing annexed zones.
@@suriil9875 My understanding is that happens randomly some time in the early 2030s (so 2030-2035). Not sure what exactly drives it, but the invasion doesn't technically have anything to do with the Total War or Hate mechanics (what they *do* with the invading force might, though).
@@LangyMD I play on cinematic. im in 2044. I have used 70 MC out of 200 and as soon as I build a single ship. the aliens blow all my stations to hell :( I guess it's time to start a new game then? I was hoping I could learn the mechanics in peace in cinematic...
really enjoying your vids on this. loving that HF playthrough. Prepping for classes again and didn't have time to play a game but because of your vids I made an exception. Thank you for the introduction. This seems like one of those I will dust off every once in a while to replay like I have been doing with Enemy Unknown since the 90s.
I'm loving the series playthrough, also enjoying the guides, hopefully make my playthroughs a bit easier once I get this.
The GOAT has blessed us with new content yet again
What does GOAT mean?
@@zhshsG7 Greatest Of All Time
@@dansiegel995 ahahahqqh I'll agree to that 😂
Super well timed as I've spent the last six in-game months bashing my head against this, as my MC was way too high. Cheers
I feel like this is trying to secretly teach PotatoMcWhiskey to stop building so much stuff and to stop ticking them off.
Thanks for all of the fantastic gameplay and guides. Been binging this game like crazy and you've helped that journey SO much. Would love to get a tech tree guide that helps highlights the paths and key techs to focus on
I learned most of this guide from experimenting on my own and watching your Humanity First play through, but any info, especially condensed to better play this game is welcome. It’s amazing and complex and a little broken. But the potential is amazing. Thank you for the guides and knowledge good sir!
Thank you for this! I did drop off at the spoiler part but this was still very helpful for new players.
Tanks a lot. Offering both versions is really nice. Game has to offer a lot of this Enemy Unknown feeling to offer, not knowing everything before is denfinetly worth a try with this game.
I feel like Potato McWhiskey would have benefited from this guide and avoided at least two mental collapses.
Oof, poor Potato. :laughs:
Really appreciate the two styles of explanation for those of us wanting tips but not to much spoilers
Thanks for doing it spolier free first. That was a really good idea. I'll come back and listen to this again after my first playthrough
Thanks so much for your videos. I discovered the game thanks to you and this one explains some important concepts quite well.
The game leaves the player guessing whether he's doing well or bad with lots of time sunk in the game and little to know whether one let the situation degrade beyond repair or not. This particularl video identifies one such issue and explains the strategic choices along with a timeframe, and that helps a lot.
You can hear Perun, Tortuga, Havoc, and I talk about what makes this game great (podcast) here: th-cam.com/video/uaugkFFEFw8/w-d-xo.html
Loving your guides man. You've made understanding this game so much simpler. If you happen to have any tips for how to destroy an alien station it would be much appreciated. My campaign is dead locked where the aliens cant take my stuff and i cant theirs.
ou need a bigger gun^^ but seriously out tech them ftw!
@@smilingbandit6900 working on antimatter weapons now. Granted i may have been alittle silly because I was not sure what I needed so I got to 20k science a month and started researching everything.... I have 9 projects left besides repeatables
@@BRoDaZePha there is always quality or quantity, if you can manage both the better. good luck have fun and go nuts on those xenos :D
@@smilingbandit6900 im bout ready and just the F it button build as big a fleet of as many heavy hitters i can and just throw them at the aliens
@@BRoDaZePha what year are you in?
God if I didn't have your videos to explain the 30 billion tiny mechanics that make massive impacts I would never get trhough the first decade in this game.
Thank you for posting. This is very helpful.
TY for the guide! However, it is missing a critical piece, the effect of full agent clear. I'm only in 2026, so I can't really generalize, but when I assassinated all 6 hydra agents from wave 1, alien meter zeroed from 4 bars, and stopped working untill first crash of 2nd wave.
Stopped watching after your basic rundown (and yours and others series) for the reasons you outline. After watching a mate die horribly on discord after getting into some fisty cuffs with the servents then the xenos we figured this much out. Didn't realise they would back off though, we thought they were just putting him down like a rabid dog. That's good to know. Love your work dude. Respect from a fellow Aussie.
I'm in late 2030s and I just hit the point, not by intention, but just missmanagement, that I am basically at war. I'm so no prepared (humanity first). I already got clapped 2 times and needed to start a new campaign. This time, I'm am able to retaliate. Tho that 9k mothership fleet above earth gave me a headache.
Tips I learned for neutralising it:
1) their arsenal is mostly missiles, so if you deplete it, the combat rating goes down to like 2-3k and they become mostly harmless - so just suicide a few ships into it and in my experience, they rather leave to refit than stay (they will deplete all of their missiles on the few ships)
2) all of your stations by this time should have defences built up - 3 arrays are enough for most fights. But you need good lasers
3) don't be me and leave Mercury undefended, it's gonna hurt a lot. Have a few ships to intercept raiders there. They, in my experience, send destroyers and corvettes rather than bigger ships there. So having 2 fleets of 5 suicide ships is enough to stop it for some time. Tho you need the ability to rebuild quickly
"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down." - Captain Zap Brannigan
@@mrlama1993 I adapted human wave tactics for space combat. I'll have more ships than they have rockets
@@hacep160 considering there’s only about 500 alien leaders u could lose a million in a fight and still be fine
Nice and cool guide. Thank you Perun.
Super helpful. Thanks a lot for this.
Lets go! Idk how much of this I already commented for sir potato so think you for making it unmissable xD
Thank you for your guides, they really are very informative indeed!
And I *WHOLEHEARTEDLY* agree with you, mate, that the game positively *needs* to tell us in no uncertain terms when our actions would push us past the point of no return.
Keep it vague-ish before that, okay, but there needs to be some form of mechanic in place to clearly and precisely alert the player that if they confirm their current action, they would push their ceiling past the Retalitation threshold, thus creating a perma-aggression-situation.
As that is such a massive strategical and tactical game changer, it definitely needs to be clearly communicated.
Perun can you make a mock video in your other channel's style (powerpoint) about the events in your HF run? It would be super fun!
I think alot of the LPs needed to know this.
Fantastic guide, in a series of fantastic guides. Your videos actually make me want to play this game. Other videos (potato cough whiskey) make me want to run and hide from it.
Finally more terra invicta
I could see how this would get me into trouble,as I tend to arm my orbital stations in whichever space-game I play with torpedoes to make sure I have some sort of early-game defense.
Bravo on saying maskirovka properly! :D great video !
Layered defense arrays with UV lasers, most important tech in all my playthroughs so far. 2-3 arrays on a station can murder BIG alien fleets. Because getting usefull engines takes FOREVER!
The whiplash I got when I realized you're the same guy from all of those War in Ukraine breakdowns.... whoo....
You're a legend, Perun.
Got anymore of those Humanity first videos.... been watching for the next drop lol though I'm sure it takes time to edit it all since you're probably doing it by yourself. Looking forward to seeing what happens next.
mission suicide was a full success: placed some stations (with boost) near alien outposts in the asteroid belt. whenever they get angry they blow them up, i instantly replace them (the aliens don't care, that they aren't operational yet). meanwhile my valuable stuff stays save: defense by deception. that brings the hate down.
Yisus christ, thanks!!!! I really needed this XD
I was in about 2033 and sitting on 50 mc on normal, and after I assassinated a Hydra the aliens came after everything I had all at once. I opened up the save file and saw that my alien hate was over 300. I think what happened was that I had also gone after xenoforming with all my armies for multiple turns in a row, completing dozens of attacks on xenoforming, and that apparently increases hate
In one game I didn't get my first xeno kill until 2030something and immediately got 3 stars. In my current run I killed 2 xeno around 2026 and only got 1 star for each. However building layered defenses on my satallites put my threat through the roof.
@@kevinblackwell4617 oooooh shit, i didn't even consider that building defenses on some stations would increase my hate, no wonder the aliens have been wack a moling me into the dirt.
I guess the only way to avoid putting the hate base threshold over 50 is to play totalLy "open" (meaning no defenses, stations or ships guarding stations) until your ready to go total war?
@@willthethe I think leaving your stations undefended is a good idea. Even discounting whatever the defenses do directly to the hate level, any time your stations drive off or destroy an alien ship prevents the aliens from calming down until they're sending unstoppable fleets to destroy everything you have.
@@DecidedlyNinja ran into that problem. As soon as the game told me a fleet (just a single Corvette) was underway to destroy my station, i converted all modules into defense array, which put me into a visvious cycle of hate
It seems like explaining this to new players is one of the top priorities devs need to have before the official release.
Yeah. I was a first time buyer and my resist save is a clusterfuck with the Aliens trying to overturn my presence on Earth.
I think the big struggle I had early on was how infrequently the meter updates.
I'm going to try the Servants at least once. Could be fun just to try them out. That's after Resistance, Academy and Exodus though.
Exodus gets a +9 boost/month organization, it's legitimately amazing, you almost don't need to put points into boost at all after that point.
Why no love for Initiative ?
@@connycontainer9459 I assume it's because their end goal makes no sense...how can we exploit the alien arrival? I'm playing an Initiative run trying to understand that question.
@@crazy8chief Money, Power, Technology, purple slave Women maybe. I'm just about to find out. Had to start over 2 times. As I refused to understand the retaliation mechanic and increased the kiling of Hydras and Servants with every station they blew up.
@@crazy8chief oh and I claimed every asteroid und moon I could get my hands on.
Wait… There is way to win this game ?
In my first Resistance campaign I somehow managed to go total war with xenos before researching defence array. I ended up losing my entire settlement in the entire galaxy.
Shout out to my guy PotatoMcWhiskey who needs to see this because he's getting WRECKED right now
It would be fun to be able to play as aliens too.
First they need to add second alien faction, either pacifist or warmonger. (We can make them war each other and get money -initiative)
Then add dlc and play as alien.
I'm watching these guides to get a wrap of my head around the systems before I start playing for real, because the game actually has me a little bit intimidated.. I don't mind the spoilers honestly and I'm glad I didn't.
What this video has taught me is, This game is basically a cold war sim. and you don't want it to go hot until you've achieved maximum force. Or you're going to lose the flashpoints and ultimately the war once it goes hot.
I did my first play through as the Servants to get an idea of how to manage faction diplomacy and economies before trying to juggle the alien threat levels on top of that.
"Hate" is maybe a inaccurate term for what's going on.
It's really the alien's assessment of the player as a threat.
Good stuff!
The game is basically unplayable without guides like this, thank you 🙏
And that's a big problem, a game should be playable without a TH-cam guide, the devs dropped the ball on this.
@@jurgenlomax9693 if you really haven't watched any TH-cam guides you're not going to be ramping up by the early 2030s and building so much stuff in space that you'll be going way over the alien hate threshold with MC. In a real blind playthrough, by the time you're using enough MC to permanently enrage the aliens, your tech level will be approaching the level where you can fight back against them, and you'd have had plenty of lessons in how alien hate works.
IMO the problem is that people are playing based on the TH-cam videos they saw of people playing the demo where everyone was trying to expand as fast as possible before time ran out. If you copy Perun's demo playthrough then you'll run facefirst into the problem of being over the MC threshold too early.
@@jurgenlomax9693 I disagree. People want to "beat" a game too much instead of learning how to beat the game. Journey before destination. I will look for specific hints though when I'm bashing my head against a wall.
@@jurgenlomax9693 to be fair, it is early access. I do find myself quite exasperated that I can't understand some pretty important mechanics despite watching many guides, but hopefully with time they can polish it out. Maybe several years of polishing it out :D
the "i don't care" moment i think partly depends on how much the other factions have built up too. if everyone including the protectorate are getting lightly bombed for being over the cap, it really feels like the time for the gloves to come off
especially if your stations can scare off the small raids, a pair of raiders and maybe a mothership do one pass, get damaged, destroy nothing and then beg to end combat. at that point you might as well push on them. heat you take is pressure off the other factions to grow and take heat off you in turn
Thank ya for your guide.decided to play serious this time - previous run was the first and tutirial style with tonns of misstakes like militarising china with 0,001 militech per tick when enemy brits have 0,005 per tick and waging war with allien fed in africa without space protection at all cos had small resource income.
Before sleep I fully colonised mars and moon and putted mines on it and decided to find threat level guide on youtube cos when mines will be build, they will push my CP to additional 13 points. And now, after short nap i found the anwsers, thanks.
P.S.
I'm not the one who may affect on you, but if you will make guide about countrie's economy - it would be great. After tonns of hours i understood how it works - each army and fleet eat investment points, army investment (militech) is pointless without high democracy level, advice command with high level of burocracy skill will temporary increase investment points etc. But i think this aspect of game still makes tonns of questions for newbies and mid gamers tho.
Ty for your vids
Does the presence of point defence (or T2 layered point defence array) modules on planets do anything to dissuade or fight back against retribution attacks? Or are they just taking up space (and power)?
defense arrays piss off aliens a TON.
Perun, there has to be something else that is keeping the floor as well, not only MC. In my playthrough I am very careful with that, I've been even running around 70 (for more monetary reason, having a bit of a problem with that), yet still I am getting the message that you mentioned. And I have two technologies researched. And I am not hitting aliens, maybe I am poking servants and prot a bit, but not that much. So there has to be something... Though aliens are not retaliating, so maybe my advisors are just stupid :p
Second thing that I wanted to ask about is to... WHEN threat level updates? This is something that I completely can't understand.
The threat level updates whenever you do something to generate or decrease hate, but A. it doesn't take into account the floor from used Mission Control and B. the actual hate gained varies by 20% in either direction but the threat meter does not. It is 'fixed' to the correct current value of hate when you capture an alien. This - especially the not taking into account the floor part - means it can be very, very wrong.
I'm experiencing the same. I'm using about 90 MC with both techs researched and have been doing that for a while now without provoking the aliens at all and the bar is permanently stuck at max. However the aliens do not act like it. They do go for a base maybe every 3-6 months or so but that seems just as random. Really wish that threat bar was more useful. As it stands right now it gives me 0 useful information since it's just permanently maxed but with inappropriate (lacking) alien response to match that.
There absolutely HAS to be something else
70, you telling?
I had somewhat around 20-30 in the 202x and my advisors just kept telling me to stop already, though aliens did literally nothing to me until...
Until the moment I've managed to get full control on China other than EU and US and the aliens just went full nuts since then
Constant assault on the China's and US control points (37% chance when I caught them redhanded, somehow literally always pulling it down in the end)
Constant propaganda there to just make my life harder
Obliteration of every single station I have or just begin to build
They went so hard that I had Kessler's in the late 20-s with like 30 debris in the both interface orbits and like 10 stations destroyed in both, the moment I try to launch something I'm immidiately seeing the message of their fleets coming there and only a second later - more debris in the orbit
Even Mercury and Mars, both stations and mines are under constant assault, though, quite underwhelming on the mines, where I can simply rebuild all they've destroyed, unlike stations which are getting destroyed literal days after the launch
I'm not messing with them or the servants for like 5 years already
I have somewhat like 40-50 MC used (out of 120+ max) combined with the tech for 20% more cap
They've destroyed like 30-40 stations and colonies already and they simply won't stop
Normal difficulty academy btw
I simply don't know what could I do in order for them to finally let me live
And most like obscure of it all - my advisors don't say not even a word about the aliens and the "Please, be cautious with the operations"
They're either trolling me or just straight up accepted the fate of being constantly bombarded
tldr
40-50 mc used 120 max +20% tech
Not messing around with ayyliens or servants for like 5 years
Somewhat around 40 of my habs obliterated since then
And they won't stop under any circumstances
Though it also might be a result of detaining like 12 of their advisors in a row and clearing the entire world from their flora before that, but like, how long they will be mad then, will they ever stop or they just felt like "I don't like those agressive guys, we should make them live in hell for the eternity AND WE TOTALLY WILL"
I'm still playing my first game, so take this with a heap of salt, but I built 1-2 defense modules at all my T2 bases and a QRF fleet of 10 missile escorts before engaging the aliens in space for the first time.
Aside from my water and volatiles stores being absolutely devoured by refuelling costs, the trade-off has been worth it so far. The aliens have completely stopped building new mining bases and have been sending suicide attacks against my prepared positions for years now.
I know when they finally break through, they're not going to stop until they scrape me out of space altogether. But what I *think* I'm getting in exchange is an Alien with a smaller economy longer into the game.
Does this mean you should avoid defensive installations on stations? I put Layered Defense modules on all of my stations, and while they shoot down early alien ships without issue, they are *constantly* under attack. I guess what I'm asking is, do defensive kills generate hatred?
@perun My game has behaviour that can't be explained but what you said. I am HF in normal. I have maskirovka and 80MC. I have not taken any hostile actions for 1 1/2 years now. I am capped at lvl 5 hate and I get occasional retributions. The protectorate has now proclaimed/revealed their win condition.
I can see some reasons that would explain it.
- cleaning up xenoflora produces a lot of hate
- being to much ahead of the other factions gives a lot of hate(I have more research than the other factions combined)
-the protectorate tech lowers the safe MC threshold
-my hate forecast is bugged
I appreciate the none spoiler version
Nice guide. But is it possible to fight a real war with the aliens in early 2030s, or you just have to comply until late 2030s or even 2040s? Also would be cool to know what other actions rase hate and how much. I am particularly interested in fighting alien fauna on Earth - does it rase the hatred level?
With a very optimised start maybe. However them sending their biggest fleet would still be your doom.
I've been trying out the servants to learn the mechanics, what do their tech do, how to tell if points flip to the servants are from aliens or counselors, etc. Perun knows what techs like Alien nation and etc do, but how best do I work to memorize everything? I find practice helps me to learn.
Also, I don't mind doing poorly as factions like the surrender monkeys. =P
I basically just assume that any control point flipping to the Servants that wasn't cracked down is probably an alien.
And if it's not an alien, the Servant good enough to Purge that probably needs to be murdered anyway.
Yo!
have you seen kerch bridge yet?
smoking accident
@@PerunGamingAU wat
@@blackgold2589 Ukraine
Perun, you said stations count against MC control, but what about surface builds on Mars or Luna or whatever? I don’t have the game, but I love watching vids about it.
18:06 "What I think the game could do better is make clear, when what you are doing is going to cause that [De Facto War with Aliens]. It does give you the warning about too much activity, it does give you the threat bar; but it doesn't yell from the rooftops the way I think it should, that: "Hey mate, if you build that Dyson Sphere, then you're basically telling the aliens, to Come at you bro, because you're ready for a new level of warfare."
I hope there's going to be a video on councilers especially what to look for at the start of the game, your series have been tempting me to get this and I finally caved in, but on loading in my first run my 2 councilers look at a glance crap, (low everything, highest persuasion is 4) is this a case not being sure what to look for I can't decide if I should reroll the RNG (or what I'm looking for if I do)
Control nation, increase popularity at first. Then anything involving the espionage stat followed second by investigation until the game ends.
@@kevinblackwell4617 cool thanks dude, think I may have to do a few RNG re-rolls, ran my third re-roll for about a year but I just don't feel I'm getting traction, got 3 USA control points mainly by brute foring the problem but I dunno I feel like I'm stalled out % for points keeps dropping off
Please make more videos.. I am hooked on your HF campaign
Something I'm noticing is after I went above the threat cap for the first time and the aliens destroyed by HABs until they were satisfied, I didn't go back over the threat level or even get close, and my used mission control is at a very safe level but they initiated more attacks. What would cause this?
Is there any way to make the alien hate bar display accurate, up-to-date information rather than being several months out of date and therefore almost completely useless? Some mission or tech perhaps?
does the diplomacy technology help with alien threat? the once that let you be more friendly with other factions?
Can we get a guide of how to go about war with the aliens, my main struggle is I don’t know how to tell when I should be strong enough and how strong I need to be to actually fight the aliens
I thought I would mention that the research actually changes it by 20%, not 25%
How it works is that Strategic Deception, Operational Misdirection, and Maskirovka all use "Effect_MCUsageMasking" which multiplies "AlienHateFromMCUsage" by 0.8.
Thus, if you start at 40% of MC(normal), it will go to 32%, 25.6%, then 20.48% with all three.
A point that wasn't made in here that got me is that revealing you win condition generates hate. The aliens went after me as the Protectorate for seemingly no reason when I got that last story tech.
Did we have a defensive earth system like turret or air force defence cause mothership are tough and more weapon than we did unless you do a boarding system.
I think the game could warn players better if when the player gets close to the max mission control, the servants make a public declaration that new and rapid growth of the world space economy is angering the aliens and any further growth could cause them to respond.
In my Game ive been sabatoging both the servants and the protectorates Learn the Hydra language projects will this put me over the alien hate limit if i only do it when they are near completing it?
Is there value in bootstrapping factions with convergent interests like Exodus in settling space to spread human space resources out and to lock out opposing factions of critical resources without costing your own Mission control?
Sounds like it, yeah.
Just gotta keep in mind how much you're investing in those endeavors vs your own.
I'm pretty sure it's also related to research. I was 2-3 / 5 hate level, I didn't engage any alien operative, I didn't fight any xenoflora, I didn't fight any space ships, and I gave Servants and Protectorate a break for almost 2 years, focusing my councilors on Advise and Public Opinions in my nations. Then suddenly my hate level is 5/5 and aliens sent out 15 fleets on me. 1 for each space station. They destroyed everything around earth, mars and mercury.
When hatred went up I had only 60 MC used (cap over 100 though), it was 2034, I researched both techs that allows me to have more "space presence" without triggering aliens. What I think changed is that I research "last tech" that sets my end goal. (as a resistance).
And I think aliens learned that I am in the end game now (although I barely can fight a single destroyed of theirs) because I rushed xeno research and they just want to shut me down.
If it's that, then it sucks, because game doesn't warn in any way that simply researching can be a defeat condition...
PS: oh and of course after they blew up ALL my stations and then all my habs in following months, the hate is still 5/5 and they still come and bomb anything I try to put in space.
So yeah, I'm at 0 MC now and as soon as I build something, it gets blown out within 60-90 days. And I still do nothing to aliens/servants/protectorate on earth
great video, i have a random question how do you change your income to monthly instead of daily figures.
settings menu :)
The aliens just tried to invade on my doorstep, an agent got a crit on one invasion and my massive army concentration got the ones that landed before they had organized. The question now is whether we're in full out war for the rest of the game or if I still have time to try to catch up on technology.
Does the ai have perfect knowledge of when you mess with them? Like do you still get the same amount of hate when doing stuff undetected vs detected?
What type of tech should you be looking at by the time you start fighting the aliens seriously? Railguns seem like a bust, the shots move way too slow. And the early lasers just dont do much damage. Are the T2 weapons when you should start seriously fighting? Or am I overlooking something with early game weapons?
Missiles are effective if you have enough off them.
When you make a video about armies, you should mention as an aside what the mechanics of confederating different nations with different army tech level and (assumedly) therefore different equipment and doctrines
whether that is glossed over or if issues like the ones mentioned in your Ukraine series should apply in the simulated logistics framework
So many in the reddit need to see this.
Is shooting down ships defensively with defense Arrays also causing hate?
12:41 Do the aliens try to get you off certain planets regardless of Threat? Because I am currently at MC 33, difficulty normal. I don´t even have the research to see alien operatives (let alone have I killed or captured one) and the alien Threat meter is at 2 / 5 bars. Yet the aliens just destroyed my bases on Ceres.
So am I missing something or do they just want that astroide for themselves?
When you mentioned how total utilized MC creates a floor for alien hate, is this floor changed based on the MC threat reducing techs you mentioned, ie if the baseline for the floor is 40% of your utilized MC, one tech would bring it to 32%, two techs 26.6%, and so on?
Baseline is 90, it is not proportional. They don't care about you potential
What he said is the floor hate is around 40% of your used MC, and they retaliate at 50. So without provoking them, you could get around 110 MC without tech (but them the smallest act against them would trigger a retaliation)
You know you have to eventually play all factions for us. Including the Servants
Could we get a tutorial on how to improve relations with other factions so that they aren't in a state of war with your faction?
Don't take their stuff anywhere. On planet or off. This works (mostly) for everyone except the aliens lovers.
@Catashe I'll give it a try. Would like to make the initiative a little less pissed.
Am I to assume the hatred from the other factions works similarly, presumably with less of a focus on MC usage and perhaps some basis on how much landmass you own on Earth?
I was okay with the Aliens destroying stuff because it was easy enough to rebuild, but the other nations continuously assassinating my heavily experienced councilors feels a bit BS to be honest - especially when I've been trying to use gifts to improve their opinion of me and my councilors have a high amount of security (One of them had like 18 and was assassinated first time. The others had a fairly low amount at about 10 but were just chilling increase public opinion in my home nation, so should have been about as safe)
I suppose what I'm asking is, what can I do to stop offensive actions? I've tried using gifts which is the only way I can guess to try and make friends with the other factions, but they seem to just hate me regardless, for example Project Exodus did some of the most offensive stuff to me, and I literally did nothing to them for years. Honestly it was so annoying I've just stopped playing the game completely until I can hear about how to stop the issue from coming up.
Edit: For the record, I know there's no way I'm getting a relationship with the servants or even the protectorate as the resistance - I'm specifically talking about the anti-alien and "neutral" factions.
How much relative power and how much bullying you do of them decides their hatred of you. Landmass, as such, isn't the factor. You could own all of Africa, and if you can't do anything with it, you're not a threat. But if you have the economic gun to destroy their faction (US, EU, Russia+something else, China, India+Japan), they're going to distrust you. If you're bullying them too, well now you're a clear and present danger.
@@shawngillogly6873 Like I said, I did nothing to Project Exodus - short of defending the opinion in my home (China) from falling to them as they were pushing hard for it.
If what you mean is "did I have a stronger economy than them" then yes I did for sure, I easily had the strongest economy and research on the planet.
So if your economic and military power has a determining factor in their treatment of you, it certainly makes sense.
But I'm not sure how to combat it, as they seem unwilling to take peace, never mind anything close to non-aggression.
I think the game could make it a bit more clear what you could do to mend your relations with people, or give more options. Why can't I give away control points I don't want anymore, for example?
And like I said it seemed no matter what I did, whether it was getting high security or keeping my people at home they would still get offed.
So, in my game, I've hit a point where all the other human factions are at war with me by default even though I don't actively mess with them. I *believe* it is a combination of factors:
- Control Points on Earth, as you may have guessed.
- Mission Control utilized in space, much like for the aliens.
- Faction Projects completed, ie your faction-exclusive tech strength.
- Recent acts of hostility, with a slow decay.
And as for the less obvious stuff:
- MOST IMPORTANTLY the **level of difference** between themselves and you. It's not just that you're getting a lot of resources - it's fine if those resources are fairly competitive with what they have, or weaker - it's about how badly you're out-pacing them and how much they resent you for that and see your dominance as a problem.
- Possibly their own acts against you can also increase their conflict/war status? I am least sure of this one.
- Ideological difference. The servents natrually hate HF and Res more than most other factions and will raise to War status more quickly, and HF and Res hate the servants more too!
I have heard that an upcoming patch (it might be up on beta branch now?) is also going to change it so that factions which are more ideologically similar (like HF and Res, who share the goal of militarily stopping the invasion) don't automatically gain hate (or gain much less of it) based on growth/strength differences. So hopefully, for example, HF will stop getting mad at the Resistance just for building too much of a robust defensive fleet.
@@MoonwalkSA " - Possibly their own acts against you can also increase their conflict/war status? I am least sure of this one."
I can at least attest to this one, I gave a gift to the initiative to leave me alone - as they were doing a coup detat against a small nation I was trying to unify - which raised them from "War" to "In Conflict". Over the end turn they again did coup detat (presumably they queued it up already) and then it shifted back to "War".
How do you submit a bug/crash report I found one where if I reload after I wipe out all of one faction's councilors, say the servants for example after turning an agent I assassinate 4 councilors and make the turned one resign, while the last one still appears in their councilor list but if I click on them nothing happens but if I reload the game and click onto the councilor tab it becomes "Missing councilor name Investigator whitebox Location" and if I click on it the game immediately crashes.
How much does attacking alien Lifeforms increase Hatred? I've been sitting at the Hate Limit for a while now (with only around 50 MC) and all I've really been doing _recently_ is using armies to destroy Xenoflora. I suppose it could also be me "attacking" the servants by always making sure I have a turned councillor of theirs.
Attacking xenoflora doesn't affect it, I'm pretty sure. If you're repeatedly detaining Servants to turn them, that's probably what's doing it.
@@xeroprotagonist I'm not detaining them. my Councillor has enough persuasion to just turn them.
Maybe MC usage isn't quite like a floor and more like a constant increase, so as I'm building more stations and increasing MC Usage it keeps pushing me just over the Limit, before decaying below it again?
for me, I went from 2 level( kill 1 ship and 1 agent for the questline), to 5, when their Alien nation imploded from unrest.. and for some reason most country either went to me, or nobody.. Even though I only did just a few unrest missions.(other factions must have done way more, cause mine never passed 5.0 unrest, and only had 1 agent able to do it, while their attempts went to 7-9 often until they hit that 10).
But for some reason, now, the aliens are all out on me :/
I guess I did try to stop the servants a few times, and I've been mass exterminating fauna, but that civil war, made them all out crazy.
They didn't like when I colonized a moon of Jupiter real early, but after they blow that up they left me alone. The Academy had been pissing them off massively though, they kept sending tripods armies and attacking all their countries O_O
Oh and MC wise, nobody but the servant is above 50 in my game, and they are still pissed. I wonder if Veteran makes it much lower though.