My ex-mom joined a cult when I was 13yrs. Old & I had to join the military to get away. I suffered every kind of abuse & there were so many child molesters. I'm still trying to recover at 42yrs old. I'm 100% disabled with Complex PTSD & I had to walk away from my whole family but I just knew this wasn't God. The good news is, After I left, most of the other kids followed & my doctor & I report them every year.
This man is beyond disgusting. The horror these kids face is mind blowing. I really hope these kids are getting the care they need and know none of this is their fault and that the right mental health experts are working with them.
They courts literally let 8 kids back into the cult after Roch's first 2 year jail sentence ended, the state is not allowed to take kids away from religious fanatic moms... doing so is considered an invasion of parental rights and freedom of religion 🙄
In 2011 my mother forced me into a cult with her when I was 14 in Texas. When I told her that I wanted to visit my brother in California for his High school graduation- the cult leader and my mother took me to an airport and abandoned me. Sadly, I lost my mom to this cult, but I’m so grateful they abandoned me because I got my life back
What made me subscribe was the fact that you said " if you are not in the great headspace, I think is best we see each other another time" that made me want to follow
So his oldest kids were showing signs of abuse and rather than get them psychiatric help and going to the police to report Roc, Francine sent them to live with him permanently?! Wtf 🤦♀️
@@modkip25 even a 17-18 year old with that mental state would know to put them up for Adoption or something. Like if your Kids come home not acting Like themselfs ,you know somethings wrong
yea! and towards the end when another prisoner killed him i somehow felt like that prisoner is a hero omg but he probably is aother bad guy from another crime @_@;;;;
This case makes me realize how terrifying humans can be. Not only is it terrifying that someone can inflict pain and harm like this man, but it’s terrifying that so many people stayed by his side…
Humans are very complicated begins, the only thing that make them humans is their humanity and empathy... and the emotions that makes you a human being imo. If these things are stripped away from them, they can turn into monsters if not worse... which is scary, once they’re no longer have these things, the horrible things they can do is unlimited and nothing can stop them from going to low and causing pain to other because the things that made them humans are no longer a part of them...
It makes sense because all of his followers came from the church, so they were indoctrinated to believe rediculous things from the time they could understand words 😭 most religions teach that women are lesser to men so that wasn't an instant red flag when he was making the first recruits for his cult, also most religions teach that women should suffer for literally everything, it's super unfortunate that these crazy ideas are only being presented in a new way but these cult followers were already brainwashed long ago from the cult they were born into 😢
This is one of the worst, most horribly gruesome and disgustingly nauseous cases I've ever heard. It boggles my mind how people could follow him for so long.
Seriously, one can sit around for years trying to think of the most vile, sickest and atrocious of horrors and still fall short of what this man did in reality.
@@Meliiireyes2mhmm seriously. Ive watched a lot true crime and I stumbled on this story a few years ago and I was in utter shock at the horrors he inflicted. it truly does turn your stomach
Hi ! French Canadian here ! Moise Roch Thériault terrorized Quebec for years. My father's cousins had terrible mutilation and amputation there. One of them died in terrible pain. Its very tabou in my family because of the trauma he caused. But I can still feel my family's trauma, the powerless they had to save the girls, the sadness when its their commemoration day. Those who survived now lives in mental health facility others are totally disable with very complex PTSD and substance abuse. Its so hard to witness a multiple generation trauma in my own family. He broke my family's spirit !
The Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was: Roch Thériault The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge. Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed: "That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
i sincerely hope you guys can heal or at least recover from this tragedy somehow. that man was an absolute demon on earth. it's horrifying to see how many lives he ruined. praying for you all and wish you the best, your family deserves to heal and live a happy, normal life. sendings lots of love from argentina
@@LesbianKimDokja nah not everyone can be manipulated. I don’t believe that one bit. Ppl are just gullible af. How could u even follow someone like this. I cannot fathom anyone I know buying into this kind of bs
Absolute same, I'm used to listening to a bunch of those videos in the background with no problem but this one, this was the first time I felt like I needed a break. My body was starting to hurt as if it was rejecting the amount of excessive disgust I was feeling. The utter horror some people are capable of, just EW... 🤮
@@violet7773 that’s true, I just personally have always felt very unsettled by people who seem to be too “charming” so it was hard for me to realize everyone else may not automatically feel the same. I’ve never been quick to warm up to people tho
its cause they are, uncharismatic people cannot charm the masses into following them, they charm until they can trap you and thats when they show their true colors
I always try to have compassion for the victims, but it gets so much harder when they start participating in abuse of children, especially the parents. I just can't imagine how far gone you have to be when seeing kids being tortured doesn't spark anything in your head. The adult cult members were victims and didn't deserve any of this, but they also failed those children.
The environment was definetly a free for all type of thing, I can understand people turning on each other but to drop your humanity so quickly but still be so strongly about your morality and religion. Even that one wife who left her daughter behind and ran with her other kids. THAT WAS ALL YOU. LIKE THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE. Idc if the world is gunna end, pretty sure God is not gunna tell you to mutilate/torture others or participate in rape of children. And for what? Im actually shocked how long it took for them to wakeup, like it was YEARS. I'm so disgusted that someone like him not only had such crude fantasies but was able to draw in that many people as his test subjects.
I can’t comprehend how they allowed him to call their kids animals. My heart breaks for Maurice. Her husband was a coward and a misogynist pig cause why else would he like that monster’s teachings
@@stardust3176when you read the stories in the bible all the is stuff seems normal if you take the bible literally. In the bible god commits mass genocide once or twice
@@glitter4592 Agreed. I don’t think that the OP is around children much or at all. I can only speak for myself, being a bio woman, but there is something primal about wanting to protect children, not even your own children, just any child. I don’t like kids, I find them annoying and gross. But I would risk my life to save a child. If I see a kid crying or lost, I have to make sure they’re okay and help them. I think the adults who let this happen to their children are equally culpable. They were open to this kind of disgusting activity regardless of brainwashing, because the natural instinct of wanting to protect your child is in all of us who aren’t p*dos
I live close to the prison where Roch was kept and died. I met Gabrielle, she came go my highschool when I was young giving a presentation to make people aware of people like Roch. I couldnt stop staring at her hook on her hand it was surreal
Holy shit. I usually can make it through descriptions of torture (not watching, but listening) without large reactions, but I found myself grimacing near the end with a bad feeling in my stomach. This was a lot, and I hope Stephanie and her team are feeling okay after researching this… everyone stay safe and always find happiness in the right places, especially with the people that you love most (not a shitty cult leader who is a manipulative madman).
It was, I too can handle descriptions but this time even my body started hurting and I can't even wrap my mind around the fact that if I, by only listening to the description of said act, can't handle it, what the people who suffered these tortures felt during those moments and what part did the manipulation of him played in all of this 😢
This was rough.. just hearing how horrendous it got, more and more and more sick, scary, gruesome.. then that he was given such good treatment after being arrested and people knowing what he did 😢
I started to feel dizzy. I had to curled up and plug my ears until the buzzing in my head stopped. That was absolutely brutal, and I've watched so many of her videos. I started feeling really sick with baby Samuel and had a panic response at around the mutilation and uterine prolapse part. It was all really bad. 😥 That poor baby boy. 😭
As an indigenous "Canadian" that's in Quebec and was born in Montreal, thank you for talking about this. We almost never have "big name" serial killers if you will for lack of a better word, but when it does happen, it tends to be actual hell. My oldest sister was actually a member of the jury for the trial of Luka Magnotta and it scarred her. And that's not even getting into the fact that my mom unknowingly dated a serial killer - William Fyfe - when she was like 18 or 19 and she had ZERO idea and she only found out the year I was born and apparently he's still in prison. It was WILD.
What are you talking about. All terrible and the biggest serial killers I've heard about are from Canada. And the worst part Canada's justice system is so bad that these serial killers weren't even sentenced to death. Some of them are even out in the open roaming around. Btw I'm also in Canada.
@@bao_bun4491If your Canadian then you should also know we don't have the death penalty here. Yes the system is lacking and releases people that shouldn't be release. The system is broken. It's been broken for a very long time. Unfortunately, that's the truth for many countries.
As a Christian, i hate when people use Christianity, or literally any religion to justify disgusting and absolutely cruel behavior like this, because trust me those religions more than likely go against EVERYTHING that this man has done.
The problem is that religion gives people the excuse not to think critically. It is the mechanism for controlling people and always has been. And Christianity doesn't mean morality. So to say this isn't Christian really is meaningless, because Christianity has always been like this. It's always been an excuse to hate and "other" people.
@@winesap2how do u know??? Thats ur logic based on ur inherent bias against Christianity. U are generalising a beautiful relationship with God because u have only seen what u wanted to see or have only seen the bad side. U can hate the person but don't go using that to generalise Christians because its bigger than everyone and everything
It's amazing to me, mesmerising even how some humans can be convinced of anything and they can be made to behave a certain way, fully believing whatever is fed to them.
This is the first Rotten Mango video I had to stop watching before finishing. I couldn’t let my mind process everything. Absofuckinglutely gut wrenching. Can’t begin to imagine the mental and physical pain these victims went through and continue to battle. My heart goes out to them❤
I come from the same region as Gabrielle Lavallée and back when I was in high school she would come each year to give a speech about her experience in the cult, how she was manipulated by Roch and how she managed to survive during and even after the cult. She also wrote a book called "L'alliance de la Brebis" (litteraly The convenant of the Sheep) that describe her experience in very gruesome details. When I met her I was really impressed by the strong and confident energy she gave off, and how she ended turning her life around to raise awareness on manipulation and how everyone could be a victim.
This is by far the most disgusting and horrific cult case I have ever heard of. Its just so so deeply disturbing that someone could do the things that he did.
I had to stop, too, a couple of times. This excuse of a human being enraged me, and I don't want to feel rage. In the end, I realize my rage came from desperation and impotence. I can't imagine how the families of the culture members must have felt. God bless them all.
Well now we all know for who the deepest pit of Hell is reserved for. I feel so sorry for all the victims specially the kids who born into this chaos, this is heartbreaking
I mean hell doesn't even exist in the original Christian bible, but in this case I wish there was a special hell just for him to experience all the things he did to the people and children
The bible says one need only accept Jesus as his personal savior to enter heaven. So if he believes, he's in. Hitler was Christian, so he'd be in heaven, while the Jews he killed would burn for eternity. Lovely religion.
@@themartialartsapproach8786no that’s not what the Bible says. you have to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized. and then it’s STILL up to God to decide whether or not you make it into heaven. that is how Christianity works
@@kphoria1009 imagine being a great person, but being born in the wrong country, or never getting your head dunked by a child predator with a black robe, therefore getting condemned to an eternity of torture. Actually, imagine thinking that's a perfectly moral concept! How sick and disgusting.
those 40 minutes felt like forever. its so sickening to imagine what those men, women, and children... i hope the surviors and those who died can find peace...
ya know Stephanie, i randomly stumbled upon a video of yours about a month ago and now i am just enthralled with all your videos! your way of storytelling with these most of the time lesser known cases is just so captivating!! i love hearing you and your husbands dialogues and thoughts. i watch your videos more than any other show or channels now!! i hope you guys continue spreading awareness and keep up the amazing work for a long time coming :) thank you Rotten Mango for being so awesome!!!!
There was a creepypasta written about this and I found it very disturbing as a "scary story". What I found most disturbing was googling it and finding out everything was true. This is so incredibly horrific and heartbreaking on such a deep level. On a different topic, the person who gave birth to me absolutely hated children and when I was 12 she said "the great spirit told her her contract for being my mother was up". She had been a horrible mother so her leaving was genuinely a dream come true. I know she's a cult leader somewhere in the woods near Santa Cruz. When I was growing up her beliefs were absolutely insane and got more and more unhinged the older I got. I'm now in my 30s and it's genuinely terrifying knowing she has followers. Sometimes I wonder just how bad her beliefs are now.
Every adult member in that cult she have been given a minimum of 20 yrs in jail. To sit by or even have a hand in the abuse of children shouldn't warrant any sympathy from anyone, you're about as sick a the leader.
The last woman who escaped was violently raped multiple times, her had hand stabbed, her arm forcefully amputated in an extremely savage an excruciating way, saw the leader literally take someones guts out while alive and then fuck her brain, forcefully remove someones uterus out of her vagina and when she finally escaped she CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY. Does that sound like someone even remotely sane to you? Do you actually think they had the mental capacity to think "well raping, torturing, disfiguring, killing me is ok but not with children!"? Of course they didnt. They were in a completely different reality. Coming back to real life and realizing what they let happen to the children AND themselves is punishment enough. Their entire lives were ruined.
The parents do not deserve 20yrz or more. They have been brainwashed, and deeply conditioned to believe what he’s preaching. They do not have the capacity to think for themselves or their children. The children deserve to get the care they needed/need, they deserve deep therapy from someone who is warm and caring. The parents deserve therapy, a lot of it, and time in a psych ward to help recover and heal. The parents are as much as victims as the others. The leader, and leaders deserve jail time, those who know what’s going on is wrong. But those who are deeply brainwashed and being controlled by the leader, don’t know what’s happening is wrong, they don’t see it as an issue, but it’s been drilled into their heads that it’s normal and okay.
omg i can’t believe you’re making a video on this story!!! this case has been engrained in Quebec culture forever, and i’ve read one of the victims book (Gabrielle Lavallée) and the story is truly unreal.
I would like to read that book at some point. the amount of strength that woman has is admirable. I hope shes found all the peace and happiness she deserves
I heard the name but my parents always dismissed my questions saying he was just a bad man who did really horrible things. It's the first time I'm hearing the extend I if those "horrible things" and I totally understand why they wouldn't tell me more about him in my childhood. Thank you for the book recommandation I'll definitely buy it, even if I possibly cannot read it, that would at least make a victim feel heard.
I thought I would never be able to finish this. This is the first true crime video that left me physically in pain and the first one I couldn't finish in one go. My chest freaking hurts right now, and I feel sick. The description of the different kinds of tortures the victims had to go through, for years at that. I don't even feel like the word "disgust" is enough to express what I'm feeling right now...
Hi Stephanie, I've lived in Quebec my whole life and this story has always been the most terrifying real life horror I had heard when I was a teenager. I know that this has scarred the life of a few generations here, where people were avoiding to create any kind of small communities in any manners so they would not be seen by society as a cult like this one. I am talking in decades. Thank you for bringing this case to light internationally.
As a quebecer (the canadian province this monster comes from), I can't believe that such a sick man existed in the province. I hope the victims found peace, a place to heal and get rid of the brainwashing. I hope justice was made for them and their loved ones. (sorry if I made any error, english isn't my first language.)
J'ai l'impression d'avoir entendu ce nom une ou deux fois mais c'est la première fois que j'entends toutes ces informations sur lui et je suis sérieusement dégoûtée!!! 🤢🤮
@@mahmoudahmedgamal6035I REALLY hope that you are not talking about the women under his influence and are instead talking about the courts that did nothing
@@alwayseli777 chill out sweetheart, the reason I said women was because the vast majority of the people were women, she even says women in the video multiple times, we are not saying that nothing happened to the men there 💀
i've been obsessed with true crime for over 15 years, I've seen and heard horrible things, and not only had I never heard this story, but I literally yelped out of both horror and surprise at the unexpected line that followed "he thought his love could bring her back to life"....
Cults have always intrigued me. It's not just the charming and charismatic psychopath, he wouldn't be anything if people had stronger personalities and mind settings. I understand how hard it is to leave abusive relationships after you get used to it, but there are levels of violence and abuse. THIS ONE is just incredible, people being used as tp and being amputaded on their own will, just because they believed in "God". Brutal.
Some of that was a roughhhh listen... I consider myself very desensitized, so that doesn't happen very often. Im glad some of the victims were able to find justice and peace, after so much unbelievable pain and fear...
The Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was: Roch Thériault The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge. Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed: "That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
@@sparklight0964 it’s my honest opinion and I’m a true crime connoisseur so I will share my thoughts when I feel it’s necessary, just like you decided to do lol
Idk I think the last time someone was called a queen/king or put on a pedestal sum like what was in the video happened. Think we needa learn our lesson and tread carefully LMAO
I agree with you. BTW the Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was: Roch Thériault The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge. Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed: "That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
@sketers42 I was bout to say. I haven't watched too many docus or videos purely about them but any time they're mentioned it's always prefaced with "possibly *the* most disturbing cult case ever"
I find it horrifically disgusting that Francine would keep throwing her kids back into the lions den like that. She could visibly see the neglect and consequences of abuse on her sons the moment they came back and dealing with that was so annoying for her she’d rather let them keep being abused and neglected. She was free. She wasn’t stuck in the middle of the bullshit anymore. She could have, SHOULD have, protected those boys. Kept them away from their father. It’s insane that the direct correlation between her childrens declining physical well being and poor behavior after having just come back from spending time with their dad wasn’t enough of an immediate red flag to never send them back the first time. ESPECIALLY after he borderline kidnapped them once to live with his sex cult. To be so irresponsible and cruel is a level of heartlessness I hope to never ever achieve in any life I live. I don’t have enough poignant words to describe how truly pathetically disgusting I find it. Edited to say in no way am I saying she is somehow worse than Rock. Hearing what he’s capable of makes me sick thinking someone not trapped under his abuse would willingly send their children to live permanently with this kind of person. But not more sick than what Rock did in total. That speaks for itself.
it’s amazing how you went out of your way to make mountains out of an abused woman’s mistakes and made molehills out of the sadistic abusive male’s actual CRIMES. the internalized misogyny jumped smooth out
@@yourancientblogs did you actually read everything I wrote? Because I clearly stated that I was in no way saying what Francine did was worse than anything Rock did. At all. That being the case, sending your kids to live permanently with the person who’s not feeding them and actively abusing them is not a “mistake”. Such a little word does not get to be used on something like that. It’s not a flippant thing that held no real meaning, it forever changed two innocent peoples lives because she didn’t want to deal with it. That’s WRONG regardless of what you’ve been through. Having been abused by Rock at one point doesn’t absolve that. If she’d been actively under his abuse with no way to protect herself like the women in the cult it would be a different story. She had choices, resources, and could have had support if she’d gone through the proper channels. Instead she chose to wash her hands of the “problem” which meant leaving her young children to be tormented and tortured until they were old enough to save themselves. Again, what Rock did will always and forever be incomprehensibly worse than anything Francine every could do. That doesn’t make it right either. You can cognitively understand one is way worse without shortchanging the other. Edited to say I didn’t feel it necessary to drone on and on about how terrible Rock was first A. Because Steph and Mr. MangoButt talked in depth about how truly disgusting this guy is, B. Every other comment touches on exactly how disgusting and evil this man is and C. I shouldn’t have to say it at all it should be expressly clear that this guy is a sick, deranged, monstrous individual that should have been put down long before his dna desecrated the gene pool.
@@corinnewolfe963 I agree with you, but want to add something still. I don't know how severe the signs where. Nowadays most (but still not all) know more about how a childs change in behaviour can be a huge warning sign for abuse, but that wasn't always the case. Interestingly enough, often kids even make it look like they had a good time and like the other (abusive) parent a lot. Now, if the parent isn't aware and probably can't imagine, they'll send them back. I know this first hand and wouldn't blame my mum (she would blame herself, but what for). The woman here was super young still, alone with two very complicated (because of the abuse) children (that probably parroted the father, which made it seem more like they want to be with him, but that's speculative) and although she knew her ex-husband was a dick, she probably didn't know how absolutely batshit he was. And so, decisions like that can happen. You highly underestimate the issue, don't recognise the warning signs as such, are overwhelmed with the situation and so young, you desperately just want to live, too young to understand. And then there's a seemingly easy solution. I'm absolutely NOT defending her actions, or saying that she definitely didn't know!!! I'm just adding that stuff like that COULD have played a role.
@@lethfuil I see what you’re saying and agree to a certain extent. I can understand being young, overwhelmed, and unequipped. I can also understand the parroting aspect. Given that Francine left Rock because of how he treated her and the things he said, I can imagine it would be extremely difficult to hear your two young sons spewing the disgusting rhetoric of their father. Triggering even. I can understand not knowing the nuances in the change of behavior due to that being a more recently explored topic in society. We were also only given a brief description of the condition the boys were returned home in. On top of that Francine, as well as the rest of the world, wouldn’t know the extent of Rocks abuse until much much later. With all of that being said, a few things still ring true for me. While Francine didn’t know how badly her kids were being treated outside of her care, we do. We know how Rock treated the kids staying with the cult. Even the ones he liked. Knowing that, I find it extremely hard to believe the boys didn’t have far too many bruises and marks to be explained away as “boys being boys” and playing too rough amongst themselves. We also know they were malnourished by this point as well. Outside of the behavioral aspect, Francine had to have been able to see that something was wrong. Not as a mother, not as a woman, but as a person with empathy and eyes. I know you aren’t defending her, and I’m not saying you are. That’s just where I get hung up. The cognitive dissonance she had to have had to see the signs and still push them away is staggering. The only thing I will say in her defense is her relationship with Rock was tumultuous and traumatic at best. To heal from that while also healing the active trauma her kids were going through was probably not something she had the facilities for. While trauma can be a monster that makes you make decisions you never would have anticipated, that doesn’t make those decisions any less wrong. She may have thought she was doing something for the greater good but it ended up serving no one. As an aside I want to say 2 things, A. I appreciate your input and the lived experience you have that adds nuance to the conversation and I want to thank you for sharing it, and B. I know his name isn’t spelled like a literal rock but i don’t think he deserves the respect of spelling his name correctly.
@@corinnewolfe963 Oh, I pretty much agree with all of that. Plus that she didn't even care to at least check some times. I guess she protected herself from it, but that's not the best excuse at all! A: Yeah, some things are better understood with own experience, so I thought it could be interesting insight. B: I know it's Roch, but yes. In an english setting it sounds like Rock and he definitely did nothing to earn the respect of not butchering his name.
This is easily the most repulsive and horrifying stories out there and it's all so real. Midsommar? The survivors of this cult probably feel like watching that is like watching Barney and Friends
Something I've been wondering is how on earth does Stephanie not let these stories get to her? Like I love true crime, but the amount of cases and the intensity of some of them. I would have a hard time functioning in reality with how many different cases she's covered and the info you have to go through. I'm just kind of in awe of her resilience.
i think some cases hit harder than others. i've watched a few that her voice kind of wavered or sounded like she was choked up with emotion and would make any person cry. she has a gift, that's for sure
I was mostly ok with this one until the part about baby Samuel. I have a one year old son, so hearing what they did to Samuel just ripped my heart out because I just can't imagine allowing something like that to happen to my own son. How in the hell could his parents allow that? And then just MOVE ON like it was just another day, like nothing happened? Wtf
It is beyond my comprehension, how some of these normal people threw their common sense away just like that to follow an absolute maniac without questioning even one single thing he did or said. To know that one deranged monster was responsible for so much pain and insanity for such a long time really terrifies me...
I kept thinking, at which point are the members responsible? I don't think any of them are completely blameless. It's like the saying "bad things happen when good people do nothing"
The woman who left her daughter behind to be Rock’s new bride. As a mother, I cannot wrap my head around this…I’d set myself on fire before I’d leave a child behind to suffer.😢
some women are just desperate for partnership. i know plenty of women, even my own mother that neglect and replaced their kids with the husband they’ve always wanted and a new family
@@graceclover8697what does this have to do with anything? She left her daughter to _save herself from a cult,_ not because she was horny for a new partner.
@@CrochetWhimsy413 …I don’t believe that’s what she is saying at all. She’s simply explaining the irrational thought process of some women who leave their children.
Out of every video I have watched of yours, this is by far the most gut wrenching one, i cannot believe people went through this, I feel sad and ashamed for all the victims, and I hope they will all get close to healing, even if they can’t heal fully.
Stephanie, pleeeeeeease include dates when you talk about these cases. You talk about the attitude and public perception of the time but you don’t say when that is. This happened during the 1970s when cults were absolutely rampant, and that’s important information. He went to prison and tried to sell his art on a website, but that would be soooo many years later because there was no internet when he was finally convicted and sent to prison for good. I love your podcast but almost every case I have to stop and google the year to know where we are at in history when it occurred. I paused your video to type this comment. I’m not sure if you are intentionally doing this, but I wonder because the dates are extremely important in a true crime podcast. Thank you for your hard work and hiring researchers to help you. I legit enjoy your channels and I have watched your videos for years. I hope my comment reaches you.
I think it's done intentionally tbh, because these issues are still very real (not on a cult level but isolated within homes, still) and also makes it harder for other true crime channels to steal her content
@@spring7643 I see nothing gained by omitting dates and context. Pieces of the story are missing without them. Even small things like knowing whether internet or cell phones existed is relevant. Knowing the years of these events doesn’t make current issues less important or less real. It’s honestly a fundamental aspect of true crime storytelling.
I agree. Now that you mentioned it (how cults are rampant during this era) it makes so much sense why people were easily roped into it. Though some videos she does mentions the dates, I hope she does it consistently on much older cases like this one
As a Montrealer, I'm surprised this case is being talked about by Steph! Us Canadians seem to have something in common: we don't have a lot of serial killers, but those we do have tend to be the most vile of them all. I wonder why that is? Thanks for sharing this story!
Maybe I'm wrong, this is only a though, but old French-Canadian mentality (I will speak for Quebec bc I am from here) was very strong about hiding shameful past. We have a lot of horrible stories, but people tend to want to forget it and bury it... Just think about Duplessis's Orphans, residential schools for indigenous kids, and ALL the abuse with Jehovah's witness, catholic churchs and some others ''cults'', still to this day... Maybe we are ''better'' than other places, but better than the Devil is not an achievment... Our evil aren't eviler than elsewhere, but we are always suprised bc it's hidden. If you understand French well, there is a podcast that covers only canadian (mostly from Quebec) true crime: Un peu de crime dans ton café.
that man is beyond horrendous, the amount of pain, trauma and everything he inflicted onto those poor children and women. it is honestly heart breaking
Towards the end when he was finally put in jail, I was waiting for the final sentencing but when Steph said that an inmate had stabbed him, I was like "Omg, finalllyyyy." He doesn't deserve to take another breath for real.
He died being stabbed in the neck by a convicted killer in prison already serving a life sentence. The guy walked up to the guards and handed them the shiv.
I have never heard the guy behind the camera be so quiet...it makes sense. This is the most shocking and disturbing video ive ever watched. I just dont have words.
I'm a Quebecer, and we actually learn about this in school in the "éthique et culture religieuse" class (religious culture and ethics) and my god I was shocked. We had a whole section on how cults try to manipulate people and stuff, it was very intense, we even watched the movie made about this case. It was in either secondary 4 or 5? (15-17 years old) I don't recall exactly, I'm 23 now so it's been a while. These poor people being isolated and manipulated like that. Also we don't get as much graphic things then what is shown here, so thank you for bringing light on all of this. There's a lot of generational trauma from persecution and being persecutor feeding a lot of issues in our society, which leads to a lot of very bad infamous cases like this.
On a eu la même expérience je comprendrai jamais pourquoi ils nous ont fait regarder ce film alors qu’on était des ados 😭. Parler du case ok mais c’était comme regarder un film d’horreur.
Le film avec Luc Picard - ma prof d'ECR à l'époque était aussi notre prof d'anglais. On l'a regardé pour les deux cours en même temps. Secondaire 1 dans un mini village be like, I guess
On est justement en train de l'écouter dans ma classe, et c'est très graphique. Un vrai wake-up call d'une certaine manière sur les horreurs que vivent les membres de cultes...
Why would they make children watch a movie about this case??? That feels so wrong and unnecessary. No child should be learning about the horrible details of this case.
I’ve heard of the Ant Hill Kids cult but I never heard the details. Now I know why. This was a tough one. Thank you (entire team) for sharing the story.
“Happiness is not out there , you have to find it in yourself . And everything is already given to you to fulfill yourself” I really needed to hear this
I just started playing the video, then paused it...and pressed play again and as soon as I was going to munch on my eggs and rice...I hear "This might not be the episode to have on in the background if you're eating". Now I am scared to watch this...
These type of cases terrify me the most. The fact that the reason we all function in a society is because we all keep an unspoken consensus of how things should be, but if someone goes off the rails and slowly lures people into their viewpoint of the world our brains are so easily capable of accepting and justifying whatever happens after that. Realizing that our minds are more frail than what we think always gives me the chills.
Having been born in and escaping from a cult, this one hit hard. The words used to explain how people can be mentally controlled, support, and follow to do unspeakable things. One of the most difficult to listen to, but also most appreciated because you were so clear yet kind in your explaining. For that, thank you so very much.
For a while, I had been thinking the case of Junko Furuta was the worst thing I've ever heard in the true crime realm. But this. This is now officially the worst because it was about the same level of horror done to SEVERAL people for YEARS
I can usually manage gore and stuff but this was particularly brutal. Omg this man is seriously demented, its so sad that the police suspected stuff but couldn't legally intervene 😣
Even in prison, he still had followers and had more children from there. It took another man in jail to end this nonsense and receive a life sentence for killing him.
I appreciate you for informing us this brutal, disturbing case, your channel has always taught me something new about true crime cases and how bad it can be. I’ve heard about the case of Junko Furuta and how dreadful and ghastly the event was. I think you should make a video divulging information about this case.
He may not have had it easy before that. Lots of times convicts torture people like him for a while before they are killed. Manson was lit on fire, Folgal gets beaten, and I think Nassar has been either stabbed or periodically beaten.
This is the most horrible, disgusting, torturing case I've ever heard of. Thank you Stephanie. I am really shock how these women allowed him to do all that...and he is not even handsome...i mean there are guys more handsome out there.
When there was that warning at the beginning of the episode, I didn't realize just how horrific and nauseating it would be. I am usually pretty good about hearing things, don't have a queasy stomach or anything, but this is something else
I’ve never had a case that I haven’t been able to watch, assess and digest over time but later on I genuinely gagged. The fact that there were people who survived their injuries makes my heart absolutely break. Those children deserved a life MILLIONS of times better and I hope they’re able to live wonderful lives.
This is the most twisted shit I’ve heard in a very long time. It takes a lot to disturb me, and this is f’n disturbing. I don’t know how you got through this one honestly. Impressive. I sincerely hope you’re taking care of your mental health dealing with this type of stuff. Take care of yourself, please. 💜
I was listening to this with my boyfriend and we had to take breaks because of him because he couldn't take the details, that's how good Stephanie is in detailing situations and stories Edit: thanks guys for replying and liking, I like it that many people can relate to this❤
I normally listen to her videos calmly but for this one I was making disgusting faces the whole time, that's how good she has gotten❤ I fr contemplated taking a break myself but I held through😂💪🏻
Out of all the things she said in the video, this part really resonated with me. 1:40:26 "Happiness is not out there, you have to find it in yourself and everything is already given to you to fulfill yourself. There's always a bit of Hope in the darkness and we have to hope for that to get out of the darkness. Because there is always light at the end of the tunnel of our human misery always never give up never never never give up."
@@spv9086 people who dont have a choice or dont know any better. Its easy to say all that quote when you got a decent life or supporting family. What about all those North Koreans for example?
Oh! Yes totaly I agree with you. When you have no say in your life and dont know anny better, its hard to hope for better things to come, to be happy or to be able to change your life. And sometimes you can do nothing in your life and hoping dose nothing. And you are right. This dosent apply people who dont have a choice or dont know any better. The person saying this quote is privileged. But they are learning how to deal with there life. We all can be ungrateful and not thoughtful of how privileged we are. Even me. Life is hard and you are randomly put in a stituations in life. However I think we are here to suffer and learn. We are all going to have to deal with hard thing. So we should try are best to deal with them over and over. And maby grow Discipline from it. However I do understand that some people don't have control of there own life. And things do happen, that is just life. It's not equall or fair to everyone one. If it was life(the world) would be to perfect, there would be somthing missing. And what is a perfect world?
Not everyone has the privilege to be able to change there life, to find happiness. When you are privileged you take this for granted. I do it. What you said is a good reminder that I am privileged for what I have. And that I should be more grateful for what I have. Thank you for reminding me of that.
You do this story alot of justice . You do all your stories justice ive seen since i discovered this channel. The details and scenerios youve committed to memory would take a mental toll on any decent person. Thanks for giving these stories the compassion they deserve so that these things dont happen or at the very least we know they do happen and need to watch out for it. The depths of depraved evilness that some people amount to is beyond imagination sometimes.
Oh my god!!!!! Stephanie you do not understand!!! i’m from quebec and this case has always fascinated me IM SO GLAD YOU COVERED IT!!!! I hope everyone listening is okay because it’s very gross. Anyways, can’t wait to listen to this
Even with all the horrible disgusting things that had been done to her she was able to say that there is light at the end of the tunnel despite being in the darkest place imaginable is so damn inspiring
I have heard of the anthill kids... I knew how HORRIBLE it was for the victims, but holy shit Stephanie you went much further in detail.. this is by far the worst case you have ever covered. Danielle Kristy covered it very well too! She covers very gruesome cases as well and delivered this case wonderfully, but I believe since you read that book you had a whole other side of this story. How were you able to finish that book?? I would have nightmares. I feel for that poor government worker who offed herself largely due to this case...
I feel like some people use religion as a form of manipulation without understanding the meaning of it. Also for their own greed. These women were indoctrinated to believe in something that was created not only to harm them but also their children . The innocence in these children. This is traumatic and they were too exposed to this setting because of their parents choices
Yes, but the truth of it is almost most religions started off as a means of manipulation. No matter how much people try to change the meaning, it always was meant to be a means of manipulation.
it 100% is used as a form of manipulation of weak or those needing guidance or lost people. people who are scared & go to faith for some sort of protection almost because it’s all mostly derived from fear. the fear of death or fear of “not being/doing enough” in life. people who are scared of death and need to feel better about it so they fall into this…..belief….that if they follow these rules/doctrines/systems, they i’ll be ok in the “afterlife” so they’re not as scared or full of fear in life. and in my opinion, that fear drives people into doing whatever they need to to NOT live in that fear. and unfortunately, these people ARE easy to manipulate & often are. then there are those who take advantage of those easily manipulated because their “faith” “told them to/so”. it’s a vicious cycle that people get stuck in BC of that fear. tbh i sound like some wannabe cult leader with my ramblings here, i know. but
Stephanie always gives a trigger warning at the start of the videos, and i usually think to myself, “hm, i think i could handle it.” and this is the only case that has made me regret my decision… this man was a monster..
I think this is the only video I’ve ever had to stop watching. And I’m pretty sure the only reason I got as far as I did was because of your storytelling. You have an amazing way of telling the gravity and truth of things without making it unnecessarily gruesome
This is one of the most disturbing true crime stories I’ve ever listened to. And I’ve listened to a LOT. I never had to take a break during a video before.
My ex-mom joined a cult when I was 13yrs. Old & I had to join the military to get away. I suffered every kind of abuse & there were so many child molesters. I'm still trying to recover at 42yrs old. I'm 100% disabled with Complex PTSD & I had to walk away from my whole family but I just knew this wasn't God. The good news is, After I left, most of the other kids followed & my doctor & I report them every year.
you're a very strong person. I wish you much peace and healing in life.
i hope you get well. you deserve so much better.❤️🩹
I would love to know which cult it was.
@username.not.known2473 it's here in Oregon & they call themselves Hope Refermation & they're Reformed Calvinists as in John Calvin & his books.
@@melissamoonchild9216 thanks!
This man is beyond disgusting. The horror these kids face is mind blowing. I really hope these kids are getting the care they need and know none of this is their fault and that the right mental health experts are working with them.
They courts literally let 8 kids back into the cult after Roch's first 2 year jail sentence ended, the state is not allowed to take kids away from religious fanatic moms... doing so is considered an invasion of parental rights and freedom of religion 🙄
it would be so horrible knowing this man is your father 😭
@@melissamoonchild9216 ikr💀
The children would be adults now. I wonder how their lives have been.
Your comment moved me … I won’t speak on why, but I appreciate you leaving this comment here. Good people 💕
In 2011 my mother forced me into a cult with her when I was 14 in Texas. When I told her that I wanted to visit my brother in California for his High school graduation- the cult leader and my mother took me to an airport and abandoned me. Sadly, I lost my mom to this cult, but I’m so grateful they abandoned me because I got my life back
Wishing you the best life ❤
I hope life brings you the happiness your mother could not provide ❤❤❤
Why didn't you call the cops?
@@trashmonal1220its not that easy
what was the name of the cult? I'm glad you were able to get out of there, but im sorry you lost your mom.
What made me subscribe was the fact that you said " if you are not in the great headspace, I think is best we see each other another time" that made me want to follow
Agreed
So his oldest kids were showing signs of abuse and rather than get them psychiatric help and going to the police to report Roc, Francine sent them to live with him permanently?! Wtf 🤦♀️
Yeah my jaw dropped I was so mad at the mother !?
she got married at 17, right? She was probably in a shitty mental state herself, she probably didn't recognize it as signs of abuse
@@modkip25stop making excuses
@@modkip25 even a 17-18 year old with that mental state would know to put them up for Adoption or something. Like if your Kids come home not acting Like themselfs ,you know somethings wrong
@@modkip25 girl bye she’s also to blame, where’s that maternal instinct
I don’t think I’ve ever hated anyone more than this man. I’ve never been this angry listening to these murder stories
Same, some of them got me crying
🤢This is the first case in my years of listening to true crime that I had to pause every two sentences to gather the courage to hear more.
It's giving Charles Mansen vibes
@@Zen_Vixenbut worse somehow. much, much worse. dont get me wrong Mason is awful but this guy..hes on another level
yea! and towards the end when another prisoner killed him i somehow felt like that prisoner is a hero omg
but he probably is aother bad guy from another crime @_@;;;;
This case makes me realize how terrifying humans can be. Not only is it terrifying that someone can inflict pain and harm like this man, but it’s terrifying that so many people stayed by his side…
Yesss!!! The complicity is what’s terrifying
Humans are very complicated begins, the only thing that make them humans is their humanity and empathy... and the emotions that makes you a human being imo. If these things are stripped away from them, they can turn into monsters if not worse... which is scary, once they’re no longer have these things, the horrible things they can do is unlimited and nothing can stop them from going to low and causing pain to other because the things that made them humans are no longer a part of them...
It makes sense because all of his followers came from the church, so they were indoctrinated to believe rediculous things from the time they could understand words 😭 most religions teach that women are lesser to men so that wasn't an instant red flag when he was making the first recruits for his cult, also most religions teach that women should suffer for literally everything, it's super unfortunate that these crazy ideas are only being presented in a new way but these cult followers were already brainwashed long ago from the cult they were born into 😢
As a human I don't claim that one as being human. Even trash's value becomes like gold compared to IT.
Only Christians and Jews do this.
I'm an Anatomy professor, and the gore listed from the abuse was rough even for me.
You need to build stomach for it, if you don't you failed as a professor.
This is one of the worst, most horribly gruesome and disgustingly nauseous cases I've ever heard. It boggles my mind how people could follow him for so long.
Seriously, one can sit around for years trying to think of the most vile, sickest and atrocious of horrors and still fall short of what this man did in reality.
Bro fr I watch a lot of murder cases and this one made my stomach turn ugly !!!!!!!!! Like wtf
@@Meliiireyes2mhmm seriously. Ive watched a lot true crime and I stumbled on this story a few years ago and I was in utter shock at the horrors he inflicted. it truly does turn your stomach
For real
I am terrified to continue watching the video. Like as soon I heard about the social worker and the children it makes me feel so uncomfortable !!!!!!
Hi ! French Canadian here ! Moise Roch Thériault terrorized Quebec for years. My father's cousins had terrible mutilation and amputation there. One of them died in terrible pain. Its very tabou in my family because of the trauma he caused. But I can still feel my family's trauma, the powerless they had to save the girls, the sadness when its their commemoration day. Those who survived now lives in mental health facility others are totally disable with very complex PTSD and substance abuse. Its so hard to witness a multiple generation trauma in my own family. He broke my family's spirit !
I hope they can eventually get better 🤲
Thank you for sharing your story. Generational trauma is so hard to live through. I hope your family finds peace.
😢 my heart hurts. I wish world was a better place😢
The Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was:
Roch Thériault
The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge.
Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed:
"That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
i sincerely hope you guys can heal or at least recover from this tragedy somehow. that man was an absolute demon on earth. it's horrifying to see how many lives he ruined.
praying for you all and wish you the best, your family deserves to heal and live a happy, normal life. sendings lots of love from argentina
I never fail to be amazed how really normal people can be pulled into these things
For real it’s so scary
It it amazes how gullible ppl are. It’s like u can convince ppl of anything. No matter how dumb it may sound
@@Spliffkage People aren’t the problem, anyone can be manipulated. What you did just there is victim blaming.
@@LesbianKimDokja nah not everyone can be manipulated. I don’t believe that one bit. Ppl are just gullible af. How could u even follow someone like this. I cannot fathom anyone I know buying into this kind of bs
@@Spliffkagesome people who joined cults thought like you too before it happened to them
Wow. Out of all the serial killers and psychopaths I’ve learned about over the years, this guy takes the fkng cake. Next level evil.
Agreed! I'm stressed that I've never heard of this guy and I'm born and raised Canadian!
For real this is sickening. I was grimacing hearing some of this story.
Reminds me of the songs of ice and fire, but once more, fantasies are still more conservative and less horrifying than reality😢
Ok I've been a true crime fan for almost 10 years & this case definitely goes into the top few most disturbing things I've ever heard in my life.
agreed
Same. Its mind blowing how twisted and demented a human can become
the fact that it happened in my province, my people is so disgusting to me
Anything that has to do with children tbh. RIP Samuel 💔💔
Absolute same, I'm used to listening to a bunch of those videos in the background with no problem but this one, this was the first time I felt like I needed a break. My body was starting to hurt as if it was rejecting the amount of excessive disgust I was feeling. The utter horror some people are capable of, just EW... 🤮
The amount of people who consider cult leaders and serial killers as “charming” or “charismatic” is eternally horrifying
If cult leaders weren't "charming and charismatic", they wouldn't have been able to start a cult
a better term is "manipulative" and "cunning"
@@violet7773 that’s true, I just personally have always felt very unsettled by people who seem to be too “charming” so it was hard for me to realize everyone else may not automatically feel the same.
I’ve never been quick to warm up to people tho
And how the psychologists were just like: “Oh, he’s just a silly little goofy guy who lives in the woods!”
its cause they are, uncharismatic people cannot charm the masses into following them, they charm until they can trap you and thats when they show their true colors
I always try to have compassion for the victims, but it gets so much harder when they start participating in abuse of children, especially the parents. I just can't imagine how far gone you have to be when seeing kids being tortured doesn't spark anything in your head. The adult cult members were victims and didn't deserve any of this, but they also failed those children.
unfortunately us women are more susceptible to this shit
The environment was definetly a free for all type of thing, I can understand people turning on each other but to drop your humanity so quickly but still be so strongly about your morality and religion. Even that one wife who left her daughter behind and ran with her other kids. THAT WAS ALL YOU. LIKE THINK FOR YOURSELF PEOPLE. Idc if the world is gunna end, pretty sure God is not gunna tell you to mutilate/torture others or participate in rape of children. And for what? Im actually shocked how long it took for them to wakeup, like it was YEARS. I'm so disgusted that someone like him not only had such crude fantasies but was able to draw in that many people as his test subjects.
I can’t comprehend how they allowed him to call their kids animals. My heart breaks for Maurice. Her husband was a coward and a misogynist pig cause why else would he like that monster’s teachings
@@stardust3176when you read the stories in the bible all the is stuff seems normal if you take the bible literally. In the bible god commits mass genocide once or twice
@@glitter4592 Agreed. I don’t think that the OP is around children much or at all. I can only speak for myself, being a bio woman, but there is something primal about wanting to protect children, not even your own children, just any child.
I don’t like kids, I find them annoying and gross. But I would risk my life to save a child. If I see a kid crying or lost, I have to make sure they’re okay and help them.
I think the adults who let this happen to their children are equally culpable. They were open to this kind of disgusting activity regardless of brainwashing, because the natural instinct of wanting to protect your child is in all of us who aren’t p*dos
I live close to the prison where Roch was kept and died. I met Gabrielle, she came go my highschool when I was young giving a presentation to make people aware of people like Roch. I couldnt stop staring at her hook on her hand it was surreal
liar it's a fake story nobody listening to you lil bro
Wasn't she the one who roch cheated when married to his 1st wife?
@@Flyki No, that was Giselle.
God... I never wanted a true crime video to end so much. This case was absolutley horrid. Is stephanie okay after investigating and narrating it?
I was wondering the same. She looked like she wanted to run away and I felt like I wanted to as well.
I hope so. She is such a good storyteller, but this story must have taken a serious tool on her soul.
This is the first time I had to fast forward and skip parts. I'm disgusted to the core, wtf
I wonder if she ever took a break for her mental health
I thought the same!!! Omgg
This was the most disturbing cult crime story i ever heard 🤢
Like truly it was soo disgusting to listen but what about those who researched about it
Fr it’s so gruesome 😨
Holy shit. I usually can make it through descriptions of torture (not watching, but listening) without large reactions, but I found myself grimacing near the end with a bad feeling in my stomach. This was a lot, and I hope Stephanie and her team are feeling okay after researching this… everyone stay safe and always find happiness in the right places, especially with the people that you love most (not a shitty cult leader who is a manipulative madman).
It was, I too can handle descriptions but this time even my body started hurting and I can't even wrap my mind around the fact that if I, by only listening to the description of said act, can't handle it, what the people who suffered these tortures felt during those moments and what part did the manipulation of him played in all of this 😢
@@angiecullen97yeah towards the end I literally started gagging and feeling queasy this is a first time while watching these videos 😞
This was rough.. just hearing how horrendous it got, more and more and more sick, scary, gruesome.. then that he was given such good treatment after being arrested and people knowing what he did 😢
I started to feel dizzy. I had to curled up and plug my ears until the buzzing in my head stopped. That was absolutely brutal, and I've watched so many of her videos. I started feeling really sick with baby Samuel and had a panic response at around the mutilation and uterine prolapse part. It was all really bad. 😥 That poor baby boy. 😭
@@lizstrom5439I had the same reaction. Makes you wonder the power that evil really has…
I had to let all the skippable ads play out during this to give myself breaks LMAO
You gets ads on these? I’ve never gotten one on any rotten mango video before
girl i got premium this is the one time i wish i had ads 😭
Stephanie has a really unique way of telling true crime stories!
THISSS OMLLL
Real
Fr
yesss
REAL AND TRUE
As an indigenous "Canadian" that's in Quebec and was born in Montreal, thank you for talking about this. We almost never have "big name" serial killers if you will for lack of a better word, but when it does happen, it tends to be actual hell. My oldest sister was actually a member of the jury for the trial of Luka Magnotta and it scarred her. And that's not even getting into the fact that my mom unknowingly dated a serial killer - William Fyfe - when she was like 18 or 19 and she had ZERO idea and she only found out the year I was born and apparently he's still in prison. It was WILD.
Holy shit I’d pay money to hear her story
What are you talking about. All terrible and the biggest serial killers I've heard about are from Canada. And the worst part Canada's justice system is so bad that these serial killers weren't even sentenced to death. Some of them are even out in the open roaming around. Btw I'm also in Canada.
That is crazy. Prayers for your sister too, the Magnotta case is insane.
@@bao_bun4491If your Canadian then you should also know we don't have the death penalty here. Yes the system is lacking and releases people that shouldn't be release. The system is broken. It's been broken for a very long time. Unfortunately, that's the truth for many countries.
What really gets me is the greyhound bus killer whose free, walking around Canada... @@bao_bun4491
As a Christian, i hate when people use Christianity, or literally any religion to justify disgusting and absolutely cruel behavior like this, because trust me those religions more than likely go against EVERYTHING that this man has done.
Yes. I'm a Christian too. And I cannot shout it loud enough. This is not Jesus like behaviour
lol this is a lie
@@TheBiggestMoronYouKnowyour name is very fitting
The problem is that religion gives people the excuse not to think critically. It is the mechanism for controlling people and always has been. And Christianity doesn't mean morality. So to say this isn't Christian really is meaningless, because Christianity has always been like this. It's always been an excuse to hate and "other" people.
@@winesap2how do u know??? Thats ur logic based on ur inherent bias against Christianity. U are generalising a beautiful relationship with God because u have only seen what u wanted to see or have only seen the bad side. U can hate the person but don't go using that to generalise Christians because its bigger than everyone and everything
It's amazing to me, mesmerising even how some humans can be convinced of anything and they can be made to behave a certain way, fully believing whatever is fed to them.
This is the first Rotten Mango video I had to stop watching before finishing. I couldn’t let my mind process everything. Absofuckinglutely gut wrenching. Can’t begin to imagine the mental and physical pain these victims went through and continue to battle. My heart goes out to them❤
same, it took me two days
Same I had to pause halfway through and take two days to forget and come back to it ☠️
I'm 2/3s in and ... 😮💨 yeah
Yes, and people are still victim blaming in the comments...
I had to fast forward some of the parts cause wtf? Like this actually happened?
I come from the same region as Gabrielle Lavallée and back when I was in high school she would come each year to give a speech about her experience in the cult, how she was manipulated by Roch and how she managed to survive during and even after the cult. She also wrote a book called "L'alliance de la Brebis" (litteraly The convenant of the Sheep) that describe her experience in very gruesome details. When I met her I was really impressed by the strong and confident energy she gave off, and how she ended turning her life around to raise awareness on manipulation and how everyone could be a victim.
I tried to find her book translated to English but I had no luck
I have read her book as a kid when I was in High School. He was disgusting.
May God be with her🙌🙏
I also got to meet her at school. It is wonderful how she turned her trauma around to help others not to fall for such manipulative individuals.
she was NOT fucking kidding about the warning
FR
Had to kinda skip the last part😢
True, lol was about to comment that
I love the "if x isn't for you, take care of yourself, and we will see each other in the next video" at the beginning of each video.
Yeah but I’m too foolish to listen to her warning 😭
This is by far the most disgusting and horrific cult case I have ever heard of. Its just so so deeply disturbing that someone could do the things that he did.
Hello 👋 how are you doing today?
@@Scott_Alex this isn’t a group chat lol this is a yt comment section
@@gracemccallum4388it’s a bot I think. But I agree, this is so so so sick and im actually not falling asleep because of this story
@@Mina-qi3cs fr 😭 i listened to it before going to bed while cleaning my room, and i felt so sick
I had to stop, too, a couple of times. This excuse of a human being enraged me, and I don't want to feel rage. In the end, I realize my rage came from desperation and impotence. I can't imagine how the families of the culture members must have felt. God bless them all.
Well now we all know for who the deepest pit of Hell is reserved for. I feel so sorry for all the victims specially the kids who born into this chaos, this is heartbreaking
I mean hell doesn't even exist in the original Christian bible, but in this case I wish there was a special hell just for him to experience all the things he did to the people and children
Is there any other sources abt this cult?
The bible says one need only accept Jesus as his personal savior to enter heaven. So if he believes, he's in. Hitler was Christian, so he'd be in heaven, while the Jews he killed would burn for eternity. Lovely religion.
@@themartialartsapproach8786no that’s not what the Bible says. you have to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized. and then it’s STILL up to God to decide whether or not you make it into heaven. that is how Christianity works
@@kphoria1009 imagine being a great person, but being born in the wrong country, or never getting your head dunked by a child predator with a black robe, therefore getting condemned to an eternity of torture. Actually, imagine thinking that's a perfectly moral concept! How sick and disgusting.
The last 40 minutes almost had me in tears I hope all the survivors are able to recover mentally from this
those 40 minutes felt like forever. its so sickening to imagine what those men, women, and children... i hope the surviors and those who died can find peace...
almost??? i was in tears
I didn’t care? I guess I’m a sigma male and you guys are the beta males that would get brainwashed
ya know Stephanie, i randomly stumbled upon a video of yours about a month ago and now i am just enthralled with all your videos! your way of storytelling with these most of the time lesser known cases is just so captivating!! i love hearing you and your husbands dialogues and thoughts. i watch your videos more than any other show or channels now!! i hope you guys continue spreading awareness and keep up the amazing work for a long time coming :) thank you Rotten Mango for being so awesome!!!!
I just hope you're okay Stephanie. This crime is truly disturbing
This is the only case that not only made me gag but also nauseated
There was a creepypasta written about this and I found it very disturbing as a "scary story". What I found most disturbing was googling it and finding out everything was true. This is so incredibly horrific and heartbreaking on such a deep level. On a different topic, the person who gave birth to me absolutely hated children and when I was 12 she said "the great spirit told her her contract for being my mother was up". She had been a horrible mother so her leaving was genuinely a dream come true. I know she's a cult leader somewhere in the woods near Santa Cruz. When I was growing up her beliefs were absolutely insane and got more and more unhinged the older I got. I'm now in my 30s and it's genuinely terrifying knowing she has followers. Sometimes I wonder just how bad her beliefs are now.
She's just a birth giver not ur Mom because she doesn't deserve the title she's not even a human person glad u are ok tho OMG SMH lol!?~😱😤😒🥺🤦🤦♀️💀☠
wow. Im so sorry
Are you ok now? I hope you're doing well. ❤
im so sorry to hear about that. i really hope you’re in a safe place mentally and physically now
Please please call the cops on her. Lives could be in danger!
the prolapsed uterus part made me dizzy, horrifying how people like this man really do live among us
I got dizzy during that part as well. Makes you wonder how powerful evil can be…
Rember she said the guy Was a pussy
I never knew the meaning of "disturbing" as I now know... Thank you and BRAVO!
I remember growing up in colby and seeing him and his wives. My mum would always keep me away from them.
They would always sell their jams and preserves in town.
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@Movingonup2 fr it's where I get it from. My dad has 0. XD
lil bro is kidding to get likes
Every adult member in that cult she have been given a minimum of 20 yrs in jail. To sit by or even have a hand in the abuse of children shouldn't warrant any sympathy from anyone, you're about as sick a the leader.
i was looking for this comment !! 💯💯💯
I mean...no. they had so much trauma that they had to rebuild themselves to a normal person...time served in my book
The last woman who escaped was violently raped multiple times, her had hand stabbed, her arm forcefully amputated in an extremely savage an excruciating way, saw the leader literally take someones guts out while alive and then fuck her brain, forcefully remove someones uterus out of her vagina and when she finally escaped she CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY. Does that sound like someone even remotely sane to you? Do you actually think they had the mental capacity to think "well raping, torturing, disfiguring, killing me is ok but not with children!"? Of course they didnt. They were in a completely different reality. Coming back to real life and realizing what they let happen to the children AND themselves is punishment enough. Their entire lives were ruined.
@@lepetitmondedemimi2321 fr i think they should of been given help mentally after they where brainwashed
The parents do not deserve 20yrz or more. They have been brainwashed, and deeply conditioned to believe what he’s preaching. They do not have the capacity to think for themselves or their children. The children deserve to get the care they needed/need, they deserve deep therapy from someone who is warm and caring. The parents deserve therapy, a lot of it, and time in a psych ward to help recover and heal. The parents are as much as victims as the others. The leader, and leaders deserve jail time, those who know what’s going on is wrong. But those who are deeply brainwashed and being controlled by the leader, don’t know what’s happening is wrong, they don’t see it as an issue, but it’s been drilled into their heads that it’s normal and okay.
omg i can’t believe you’re making a video on this story!!! this case has been engrained in Quebec culture forever, and i’ve read one of the victims book (Gabrielle Lavallée) and the story is truly unreal.
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That book is a though read.
I would like to read that book at some point. the amount of strength that woman has is admirable. I hope shes found all the peace and happiness she deserves
Same, as a Quebecer, I was surprised to see this case in my notifications.
I heard the name but my parents always dismissed my questions saying he was just a bad man who did really horrible things. It's the first time I'm hearing the extend I if those "horrible things" and I totally understand why they wouldn't tell me more about him in my childhood. Thank you for the book recommandation I'll definitely buy it, even if I possibly cannot read it, that would at least make a victim feel heard.
A weird trend with these cases is that the person gets WAY LESS jailtime than they should...
I thought I would never be able to finish this. This is the first true crime video that left me physically in pain and the first one I couldn't finish in one go. My chest freaking hurts right now, and I feel sick. The description of the different kinds of tortures the victims had to go through, for years at that. I don't even feel like the word "disgust" is enough to express what I'm feeling right now...
Revulsion, I think. Disgust to the point of physical symptoms?
@@AstarothFox I think that's a very good word to define what I felt, even abhorrence, repugnance, all of that 😭
This case fucked me up permanently. I genuinely hope stephanie is ok after looking into this.
Yes! I wonder how does she do it! I get anxiety!
same , this story is wild
true crime definitely changes a person forever but for some reason once you start you can’t stop
I'm from Québec and had to watch the movie they made about the cult in grade 11. Never recovered
Same , ☮️ to you ! Hope you’re ok
Hi Stephanie, I've lived in Quebec my whole life and this story has always been the most terrifying real life horror I had heard when I was a teenager.
I know that this has scarred the life of a few generations here, where people were avoiding to create any kind of small communities in any manners so they would not be seen by society as a cult like this one. I am talking in decades.
Thank you for bringing this case to light internationally.
I was about to share something similar. The movie that came out in 2002 about it was so terrifying that I didn’t believe it could be true… 😢
Your heads up at 3 minutes was so sweet, and I’ll be back to watch later :)❤️
As a quebecer (the canadian province this monster comes from), I can't believe that such a sick man existed in the province. I hope the victims found peace, a place to heal and get rid of the brainwashing. I hope justice was made for them and their loved ones. (sorry if I made any error, english isn't my first language.)
ça me dégoûte vraiment !!!!!
On pense toujours que ça arrive ailleurs, aux autres... faites attention à vous, la gang 💀
Et on a parle plus que ça ! Je n’ai su cette histoire que l’an passé par Danielle Kirsti (elle est du UK)
@@alexstars40 Moi je me souviens au secondaire ils nous ont montré un documentaire/film sur la secte
J'ai l'impression d'avoir entendu ce nom une ou deux fois mais c'est la première fois que j'entends toutes ces informations sur lui et je suis sérieusement dégoûtée!!! 🤢🤮
The fact someone would do This is disgusting 😔
Yeah really flippin disgusting
The fact that several people, let him do this is the most disgusting. they are as much to blame as him.
@@mahmoudahmedgamal6035I REALLY hope that you are not talking about the women under his influence and are instead talking about the courts that did nothing
@@alexmcmunn9390 the fact u say nothing about the men under his influence shows the type of person u are lol
@@alwayseli777 chill out sweetheart, the reason I said women was because the vast majority of the people were women, she even says women in the video multiple times, we are not saying that nothing happened to the men there 💀
i've been obsessed with true crime for over 15 years, I've seen and heard horrible things, and not only had I never heard this story, but I literally yelped out of both horror and surprise at the unexpected line that followed "he thought his love could bring her back to life"....
Cults have always intrigued me. It's not just the charming and charismatic psychopath, he wouldn't be anything if people had stronger personalities and mind settings. I understand how hard it is to leave abusive relationships after you get used to it, but there are levels of violence and abuse. THIS ONE is just incredible, people being used as tp and being amputaded on their own will, just because they believed in "God". Brutal.
Some of that was a roughhhh listen... I consider myself very desensitized, so that doesn't happen very often. Im glad some of the victims were able to find justice and peace, after so much unbelievable pain and fear...
I am pretty desensitized...and I almost puked...
The Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was:
Roch Thériault
The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge.
Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed:
"That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
BRO SAME my brain stopped working for a bit 😮💨
Same
I heard this cult covered by others and it has just really made me appreciate stepanines approach. So victim focused rather than leader focused
Exactly why she’s the Queen and the best person to listen to for True Crime 💛
@@PesooPesoodon’t put people on a pedestal
@@sparklight0964 it’s my honest opinion and I’m a true crime connoisseur so I will share my thoughts when I feel it’s necessary, just like you decided to do lol
Idk I think the last time someone was called a queen/king or put on a pedestal sum like what was in the video happened. Think we needa learn our lesson and tread carefully LMAO
As a Quebec native, I'm shocked that you covered this case. Our stories barely ever make it out there.
I agree with you.
BTW the Ant Hill Kid's cult leader's name was:
Roch Thériault
The good news is that Roch Thériault died in prison because on February 26, 2011, at age 63, Thériault was found dead near his cell at Dorchester Penitentiary. His death is believed to be the result of an altercation with his cellmate, Matthew Gerrard MacDonald, a 60-year-old convicted murderer from Port au Port, Newfoundland and Labrador, who was charged with the killing. MacDonald pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison, having already been serving a life sentence for a previous murder charge.
Matthew Gerrard MacDonald had stabbed Thériault in the neck with a shiv, walked to the guards' station, handed them the weapon, and proclaimed:
"That piece of shit is down on the range. Here's the knife, I've sliced him up."
@@SmokeyMcb yes we know we just watched the video
This is a pretty famous cult.. people just don't talk about it because it's soooooooo awful and sickening. B
I don't really agree with that. Most people that I've talked to about it had no idea it existed. Most people who do know are from Quebec...@@sketers42
@sketers42 I was bout to say. I haven't watched too many docus or videos purely about them but any time they're mentioned it's always prefaced with "possibly *the* most disturbing cult case ever"
I am from Ontario Canada I have not ever heard of this story . I am checking it out now . Thank you for telling stories from all over the world
It never fails to amaze and horrify me that the same species that are so kind can also be so cruel.
I find it horrifically disgusting that Francine would keep throwing her kids back into the lions den like that. She could visibly see the neglect and consequences of abuse on her sons the moment they came back and dealing with that was so annoying for her she’d rather let them keep being abused and neglected. She was free. She wasn’t stuck in the middle of the bullshit anymore. She could have, SHOULD have, protected those boys. Kept them away from their father. It’s insane that the direct correlation between her childrens declining physical well being and poor behavior after having just come back from spending time with their dad wasn’t enough of an immediate red flag to never send them back the first time. ESPECIALLY after he borderline kidnapped them once to live with his sex cult. To be so irresponsible and cruel is a level of heartlessness I hope to never ever achieve in any life I live. I don’t have enough poignant words to describe how truly pathetically disgusting I find it.
Edited to say in no way am I saying she is somehow worse than Rock. Hearing what he’s capable of makes me sick thinking someone not trapped under his abuse would willingly send their children to live permanently with this kind of person. But not more sick than what Rock did in total. That speaks for itself.
it’s amazing how you went out of your way to make mountains out of an abused woman’s mistakes and made molehills out of the sadistic abusive male’s actual CRIMES. the internalized misogyny jumped smooth out
@@yourancientblogs did you actually read everything I wrote? Because I clearly stated that I was in no way saying what Francine did was worse than anything Rock did. At all. That being the case, sending your kids to live permanently with the person who’s not feeding them and actively abusing them is not a “mistake”. Such a little word does not get to be used on something like that. It’s not a flippant thing that held no real meaning, it forever changed two innocent peoples lives because she didn’t want to deal with it. That’s WRONG regardless of what you’ve been through. Having been abused by Rock at one point doesn’t absolve that. If she’d been actively under his abuse with no way to protect herself like the women in the cult it would be a different story. She had choices, resources, and could have had support if she’d gone through the proper channels. Instead she chose to wash her hands of the “problem” which meant leaving her young children to be tormented and tortured until they were old enough to save themselves. Again, what Rock did will always and forever be incomprehensibly worse than anything Francine every could do. That doesn’t make it right either. You can cognitively understand one is way worse without shortchanging the other.
Edited to say I didn’t feel it necessary to drone on and on about how terrible Rock was first A. Because Steph and Mr. MangoButt talked in depth about how truly disgusting this guy is, B. Every other comment touches on exactly how disgusting and evil this man is and C. I shouldn’t have to say it at all it should be expressly clear that this guy is a sick, deranged, monstrous individual that should have been put down long before his dna desecrated the gene pool.
@@corinnewolfe963 I agree with you, but want to add something still.
I don't know how severe the signs where. Nowadays most (but still not all) know more about how a childs change in behaviour can be a huge warning sign for abuse, but that wasn't always the case.
Interestingly enough, often kids even make it look like they had a good time and like the other (abusive) parent a lot. Now, if the parent isn't aware and probably can't imagine, they'll send them back.
I know this first hand and wouldn't blame my mum (she would blame herself, but what for).
The woman here was super young still, alone with two very complicated (because of the abuse) children (that probably parroted the father, which made it seem more like they want to be with him, but that's speculative) and although she knew her ex-husband was a dick, she probably didn't know how absolutely batshit he was. And so, decisions like that can happen.
You highly underestimate the issue, don't recognise the warning signs as such, are overwhelmed with the situation and so young, you desperately just want to live, too young to understand.
And then there's a seemingly easy solution.
I'm absolutely NOT defending her actions, or saying that she definitely didn't know!!!
I'm just adding that stuff like that COULD have played a role.
@@lethfuil I see what you’re saying and agree to a certain extent. I can understand being young, overwhelmed, and unequipped. I can also understand the parroting aspect. Given that Francine left Rock because of how he treated her and the things he said, I can imagine it would be extremely difficult to hear your two young sons spewing the disgusting rhetoric of their father. Triggering even. I can understand not knowing the nuances in the change of behavior due to that being a more recently explored topic in society. We were also only given a brief description of the condition the boys were returned home in. On top of that Francine, as well as the rest of the world, wouldn’t know the extent of Rocks abuse until much much later. With all of that being said, a few things still ring true for me. While Francine didn’t know how badly her kids were being treated outside of her care, we do. We know how Rock treated the kids staying with the cult. Even the ones he liked. Knowing that, I find it extremely hard to believe the boys didn’t have far too many bruises and marks to be explained away as “boys being boys” and playing too rough amongst themselves. We also know they were malnourished by this point as well. Outside of the behavioral aspect, Francine had to have been able to see that something was wrong. Not as a mother, not as a woman, but as a person with empathy and eyes. I know you aren’t defending her, and I’m not saying you are. That’s just where I get hung up. The cognitive dissonance she had to have had to see the signs and still push them away is staggering. The only thing I will say in her defense is her relationship with Rock was tumultuous and traumatic at best. To heal from that while also healing the active trauma her kids were going through was probably not something she had the facilities for. While trauma can be a monster that makes you make decisions you never would have anticipated, that doesn’t make those decisions any less wrong. She may have thought she was doing something for the greater good but it ended up serving no one.
As an aside I want to say 2 things, A. I appreciate your input and the lived experience you have that adds nuance to the conversation and I want to thank you for sharing it, and B. I know his name isn’t spelled like a literal rock but i don’t think he deserves the respect of spelling his name correctly.
@@corinnewolfe963 Oh, I pretty much agree with all of that. Plus that she didn't even care to at least check some times. I guess she protected herself from it, but that's not the best excuse at all!
A: Yeah, some things are better understood with own experience, so I thought it could be interesting insight.
B: I know it's Roch, but yes. In an english setting it sounds like Rock and he definitely did nothing to earn the respect of not butchering his name.
This is easily the most repulsive and horrifying stories out there and it's all so real.
Midsommar? The survivors of this cult probably feel like watching that is like watching Barney and Friends
This is seriously sick, twisted, diabolical, and literally evil. I can’t even finish the whole thing🤯😤
Something I've been wondering is how on earth does Stephanie not let these stories get to her? Like I love true crime, but the amount of cases and the intensity of some of them. I would have a hard time functioning in reality with how many different cases she's covered and the info you have to go through. I'm just kind of in awe of her resilience.
i think some cases hit harder than others. i've watched a few that her voice kind of wavered or sounded like she was choked up with emotion and would make any person cry. she has a gift, that's for sure
I was mostly ok with this one until the part about baby Samuel. I have a one year old son, so hearing what they did to Samuel just ripped my heart out because I just can't imagine allowing something like that to happen to my own son. How in the hell could his parents allow that? And then just MOVE ON like it was just another day, like nothing happened? Wtf
@@Fire-Rabbit87ppl in cults will do all kinds of things they wouldn't otherwise. That's what makes cults so scary.
@@Fire-Rabbit87that's when I had to turn off. I have a 1 year old it shook me so much to hear such atrocities commutes against a baby 😭
Money helps
It is beyond my comprehension, how some of these normal people threw their common sense away just like that to follow an absolute maniac without questioning even one single thing he did or said. To know that one deranged monster was responsible for so much pain and insanity for such a long time really terrifies me...
I kept thinking, at which point are the members responsible? I don't think any of them are completely blameless. It's like the saying "bad things happen when good people do nothing"
The woman who left her daughter behind to be Rock’s new bride. As a mother, I cannot wrap my head around this…I’d set myself on fire before I’d leave a child behind to suffer.😢
Welp, ya don't know how traumatized she was so ya can't really speak on that
some women are just desperate for partnership. i know plenty of women, even my own mother that neglect and replaced their kids with the husband they’ve always wanted and a new family
@@graceclover8697what does this have to do with anything? She left her daughter to _save herself from a cult,_ not because she was horny for a new partner.
@@CrochetWhimsy413 …I don’t believe that’s what she is saying at all. She’s simply explaining the irrational thought process of some women who leave their children.
Roch. Roch Theriault.
Out of every video I have watched of yours, this is by far the most gut wrenching one, i cannot believe people went through this, I feel sad and ashamed for all the victims, and I hope they will all get close to healing, even if they can’t heal fully.
Stephanie, pleeeeeeease include dates when you talk about these cases. You talk about the attitude and public perception of the time but you don’t say when that is. This happened during the 1970s when cults were absolutely rampant, and that’s important information. He went to prison and tried to sell his art on a website, but that would be soooo many years later because there was no internet when he was finally convicted and sent to prison for good. I love your podcast but almost every case I have to stop and google the year to know where we are at in history when it occurred. I paused your video to type this comment. I’m not sure if you are intentionally doing this, but I wonder because the dates are extremely important in a true crime podcast.
Thank you for your hard work and hiring researchers to help you. I legit enjoy your channels and I have watched your videos for years. I hope my comment reaches you.
I totally agree with you… I think it’s ridiculous that she doesn’t give the dates when every true crime story teller does that
@@goldenpinkbeads1111Yeah I think of this every single video. Sometimes her titles don’t make it easy to look these things up either….
I think it's done intentionally tbh, because these issues are still very real (not on a cult level but isolated within homes, still) and also makes it harder for other true crime channels to steal her content
@@spring7643 I see nothing gained by omitting dates and context. Pieces of the story are missing without them. Even small things like knowing whether internet or cell phones existed is relevant. Knowing the years of these events doesn’t make current issues less important or less real. It’s honestly a fundamental aspect of true crime storytelling.
I agree. Now that you mentioned it (how cults are rampant during this era) it makes so much sense why people were easily roped into it.
Though some videos she does mentions the dates, I hope she does it consistently on much older cases like this one
As a Montrealer, I'm surprised this case is being talked about by Steph! Us Canadians seem to have something in common: we don't have a lot of serial killers, but those we do have tend to be the most vile of them all. I wonder why that is? Thanks for sharing this story!
everythings bigger in Canada?
Also Japan
Maybe I'm wrong, this is only a though, but old French-Canadian mentality (I will speak for Quebec bc I am from here) was very strong about hiding shameful past. We have a lot of horrible stories, but people tend to want to forget it and bury it... Just think about Duplessis's Orphans, residential schools for indigenous kids, and ALL the abuse with Jehovah's witness, catholic churchs and some others ''cults'', still to this day... Maybe we are ''better'' than other places, but better than the Devil is not an achievment... Our evil aren't eviler than elsewhere, but we are always suprised bc it's hidden. If you understand French well, there is a podcast that covers only canadian (mostly from Quebec) true crime: Un peu de crime dans ton café.
@@NeurodiverChanceThanks for the podcast suggestions. I'll go look it up.
that man is beyond horrendous, the amount of pain, trauma and everything he inflicted onto those poor children and women. it is honestly heart breaking
And other men. He tortured so many people
@@bloodpixie777 yes exactly !
The worst part is, he used religion as a tool for his agenda and would probably be used by atheist loons as proof of their idiotic argument
Thanks!
Towards the end when he was finally put in jail, I was waiting for the final sentencing but when Steph said that an inmate had stabbed him, I was like "Omg, finalllyyyy." He doesn't deserve to take another breath for real.
He died being stabbed in the neck by a convicted killer in prison already serving a life sentence. The guy walked up to the guards and handed them the shiv.
yeah she says that…..
I have never heard the guy behind the camera be so quiet...it makes sense. This is the most shocking and disturbing video ive ever watched. I just dont have words.
I was thinking the same thing. He must have been speechless.
I kept noticing that her husband was soo quiet! For awhile I thought he maybe wasn’t there
Mid burrito as you say ''not a good episode to have on as you're eating'' XD
I just sat down with a bowl of ramen lol. How was your burrito?
@@reptiqueen7275it was amazing! 😂 Hope you enjoy your ramen! 😍
I'm a Quebecer, and we actually learn about this in school in the "éthique et culture religieuse" class (religious culture and ethics) and my god I was shocked. We had a whole section on how cults try to manipulate people and stuff, it was very intense, we even watched the movie made about this case. It was in either secondary 4 or 5? (15-17 years old) I don't recall exactly, I'm 23 now so it's been a while. These poor people being isolated and manipulated like that. Also we don't get as much graphic things then what is shown here, so thank you for bringing light on all of this. There's a lot of generational trauma from persecution and being persecutor feeding a lot of issues in our society, which leads to a lot of very bad infamous cases like this.
On a eu la même expérience je comprendrai jamais pourquoi ils nous ont fait regarder ce film alors qu’on était des ados 😭. Parler du case ok mais c’était comme regarder un film d’horreur.
Le film avec Luc Picard - ma prof d'ECR à l'époque était aussi notre prof d'anglais. On l'a regardé pour les deux cours en même temps.
Secondaire 1 dans un mini village be like, I guess
Sérieux? Pourquoi j’ai jamais entendu parler de lui? Je jure que je prêtais attention à l’école 😭
On est justement en train de l'écouter dans ma classe, et c'est très graphique. Un vrai wake-up call d'une certaine manière sur les horreurs que vivent les membres de cultes...
Why would they make children watch a movie about this case??? That feels so wrong and unnecessary. No child should be learning about the horrible details of this case.
I’ve heard of the Ant Hill Kids cult but I never heard the details. Now I know why. This was a tough one. Thank you (entire team) for sharing the story.
“Happiness is not out there , you have to find it in yourself . And everything is already given to you to fulfill yourself” I really needed to hear this
I just started playing the video, then paused it...and pressed play again and as soon as I was going to munch on my eggs and rice...I hear "This might not be the episode to have on in the background if you're eating". Now I am scared to watch this...
Best storyteller ever! She is so detailed, knowledgeable and considerate of every case
These type of cases terrify me the most. The fact that the reason we all function in a society is because we all keep an unspoken consensus of how things should be, but if someone goes off the rails and slowly lures people into their viewpoint of the world our brains are so easily capable of accepting and justifying whatever happens after that. Realizing that our minds are more frail than what we think always gives me the chills.
Having been born in and escaping from a cult, this one hit hard. The words used to explain how people can be mentally controlled, support, and follow to do unspeakable things. One of the most difficult to listen to, but also most appreciated because you were so clear yet kind in your explaining. For that, thank you so very much.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. What cult, if you don't mind me asking?
The members should be prison too. Anyone that subjected their kids to that is guilty
For a while, I had been thinking the case of Junko Furuta was the worst thing I've ever heard in the true crime realm. But this. This is now officially the worst because it was about the same level of horror done to SEVERAL people for YEARS
I’m scared to watch this now. If junko furuta was easier to sit through than this. I gotta skip this one 😂
Then you gotta listen to the joseph fritzel case , the jms church ( cult),nth room they're equally terrifying
I can usually manage gore and stuff but this was particularly brutal. Omg this man is seriously demented, its so sad that the police suspected stuff but couldn't legally intervene 😣
Hello 👋 how are you doing today??
@@Scott_Alexcreepy!
@@ReenaK-np3bi well my name is Scott I’m from Texas USA . You?
@@Scott_Alex this is not tinder
@@Scott_Alex this isn't bumble bro, we're talking about a deranged cult leader
Even in prison, he still had followers and had more children from there. It took another man in jail to end this nonsense and receive a life sentence for killing him.
Wow
I appreciate you for informing us this brutal, disturbing case, your channel has always taught me something new about true crime cases and how bad it can be. I’ve heard about the case of Junko Furuta and how dreadful and ghastly the event was. I think you should make a video divulging information about this case.
how can he die so easily that's not fair
i feel you
He may not have had it easy before that. Lots of times convicts torture people like him for a while before they are killed. Manson was lit on fire, Folgal gets beaten, and I think Nassar has been either stabbed or periodically beaten.
This is the most horrible, disgusting, torturing case I've ever heard of. Thank you Stephanie. I am really shock how these women allowed him to do all that...and he is not even handsome...i mean there are guys more handsome out there.
When there was that warning at the beginning of the episode, I didn't realize just how horrific and nauseating it would be. I am usually pretty good about hearing things, don't have a queasy stomach or anything, but this is something else
I’ve never had a case that I haven’t been able to watch, assess and digest over time but later on I genuinely gagged. The fact that there were people who survived their injuries makes my heart absolutely break. Those children deserved a life MILLIONS of times better and I hope they’re able to live wonderful lives.
This is the most twisted shit I’ve heard in a very long time. It takes a lot to disturb me, and this is f’n disturbing. I don’t know how you got through this one honestly. Impressive. I sincerely hope you’re taking care of your mental health dealing with this type of stuff. Take care of yourself, please. 💜
I was listening to this with my boyfriend and we had to take breaks because of him because he couldn't take the details, that's how good Stephanie is in detailing situations and stories
Edit: thanks guys for replying and liking, I like it that many people can relate to this❤
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It's the details for me 😭😭😭😰😰
I've never had to take breaks from real crime stories until today, that is. It is absolutely insane what evil some are capable of.
Yeah I can't finish this one 😔
I normally listen to her videos calmly but for this one I was making disgusting faces the whole time, that's how good she has gotten❤
I fr contemplated taking a break myself but I held through😂💪🏻
Out of all the things she said in the video, this part really resonated with me. 1:40:26
"Happiness is not out there, you have to find it in yourself and everything is already given to you to fulfill yourself.
There's always a bit of Hope in the darkness and we have to hope for that to get out of the darkness.
Because there is always light at the end of the tunnel of our human misery always never give up never never never give up."
yeah..... doesnt work at all for people like the kids
What do you mean by "doesnt work at all for people like the kids"?
@@spv9086 people who dont have a choice or dont know any better.
Its easy to say all that quote when you got a decent life or supporting family.
What about all those North Koreans for example?
Oh! Yes totaly I agree with you. When you have no say in your life and dont know anny better, its hard to hope for better things to come, to be happy or to be able to change your life. And sometimes you can do nothing in your life and hoping dose nothing. And you are right. This dosent apply people who dont have a choice or dont know any better.
The person saying this quote is privileged. But they are learning how to deal with there life. We all can be ungrateful and not thoughtful of how privileged we are. Even me.
Life is hard and you are randomly put in a stituations in life. However I think we are here to suffer and learn. We are all going to have to deal with hard thing. So we should try are best to deal with them over and over. And maby grow Discipline from it.
However I do understand that some people don't have control of there own life. And things do happen, that is just life. It's not equall or fair to everyone one. If it was life(the world) would be to perfect, there would be somthing missing. And what is a perfect world?
Not everyone has the privilege to be able to change there life, to find happiness.
When you are privileged you take this for granted. I do it. What you said is a good reminder that I am privileged for what I have. And that I should be more grateful for what I have. Thank you for reminding me of that.
You do this story alot of justice . You do all your stories justice ive seen since i discovered this channel. The details and scenerios youve committed to memory would take a mental toll on any decent person. Thanks for giving these stories the compassion they deserve so that these things dont happen or at the very least we know they do happen and need to watch out for it. The depths of depraved evilness that some people amount to is beyond imagination sometimes.
I've heard this story at least 3x. But the way Stephanie describes and reenacts the stories is top tier. Of COURSE I'm going to tune in.
Oh my god!!!!! Stephanie you do not understand!!! i’m from quebec and this case has always fascinated me IM SO GLAD YOU COVERED IT!!!! I hope everyone listening is okay because it’s very gross. Anyways, can’t wait to listen to this
Even with all the horrible disgusting things that had been done to her she was able to say that there is light at the end of the tunnel despite being in the darkest place imaginable is so damn inspiring
Appreciate the warning! My family and I watched this during Easter dinner anyway. Thanks for sharing the story!
Pretty crazy video to watch with the fam but alright
I have heard of the anthill kids... I knew how HORRIBLE it was for the victims, but holy shit Stephanie you went much further in detail.. this is by far the worst case you have ever covered. Danielle Kristy covered it very well too! She covers very gruesome cases as well and delivered this case wonderfully, but I believe since you read that book you had a whole other side of this story. How were you able to finish that book?? I would have nightmares. I feel for that poor government worker who offed herself largely due to this case...
Hearing what this man did is gives me such a disgusted feeling, To think that anyone would do all of that to those women and children...
I feel like some people use religion as a form of manipulation without understanding the meaning of it. Also for their own greed. These women were indoctrinated to believe in something that was created not only to harm them but also their children . The innocence in these children. This is traumatic and they were too exposed to this setting because of their parents choices
any religion is a tool for indoctrination/conditioning. not on the same scale everywhere but it's still like that.
The Republican party is doing the same thing. Using religion to justify their hatred and bigotry. And stripping away human rights.
All religion is that way. Just look at the catholic church.
Yes, but the truth of it is almost most religions started off as a means of manipulation. No matter how much people try to change the meaning, it always was meant to be a means of manipulation.
it 100% is used as a form of manipulation of weak or those needing guidance or lost people. people who are scared & go to faith for some sort of protection almost because it’s all mostly derived from fear. the fear of death or fear of “not being/doing enough” in life. people who are scared of death and need to feel better about it so they fall into this…..belief….that if they follow these rules/doctrines/systems, they i’ll be ok in the “afterlife” so they’re not as scared or full of fear in life.
and in my opinion, that fear drives people into doing whatever they need to to NOT live in that fear. and unfortunately, these people ARE easy to manipulate & often are.
then there are those who take advantage of those easily manipulated because their “faith” “told them to/so”. it’s a vicious cycle that people get stuck in BC of that fear.
tbh i sound like some wannabe cult leader with my ramblings here, i know. but
Bless you for being able to research and cover this. I have to take a break after hearing about the amputation. Take care of yourself too!
Stephanie always gives a trigger warning at the start of the videos, and i usually think to myself, “hm, i think i could handle it.” and this is the only case that has made me regret my decision… this man was a monster..
I honestly do not believe that I would have been able to make it through this one if not for the obvious compassion that you have for the victims.
I think this is the only video I’ve ever had to stop watching. And I’m pretty sure the only reason I got as far as I did was because of your storytelling. You have an amazing way of telling the gravity and truth of things without making it unnecessarily gruesome
This is one of the most disturbing true crime stories I’ve ever listened to. And I’ve listened to a LOT. I never had to take a break during a video before.