Snap-on Is Not What We Were Told It Is | Sonic Vs. Snap-On: The Final Verdict
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- I put my money where my mouth is, I wanted to fall in love with these tools, the toolbox, and the whole thing, but it is just not for me. I value a company who cares about the tool, and it is clear to me that these tools are nothing but a commodity at an extreme premium for absolutely no reason. The Sonic tools are cheaper, in many cases better. To prove that, I bought both toolboxes and set them up and compared the two. I threw in $10k worth of Milwaukee just to get the toolboxes to equal in value.
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Matt, I have been using tools professionally since before you were born. Some of what you have said in this video is 100% true, quite a bit is exaggeration, your opinion and tainted by the dealer relationship you have with Sonic and the business you are building - I get that. Sonic tools are functional, no doubt about the fact they fit nice and neat inside the foam inserts well, and for a "weekend warrior" are more than adequate. A lot of your opinion is from your OCD on how tools look and fit nicely in a box - not actually how they work. I am NOT a Snap-On junkie, I no longer buy into their sales pitch that they are the absolute best, and they ARE ridiculously over priced but I do own a lot of them because they really were superior when I bought most of them and they are time tested workhorses. The main point that you made is that S-O tools are just way, way too expensive and they are rapidly pricing themselves out of the market - I totally agree. Their main customer base are Mechanics who make only a modest income at best. YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION - financially! So you have someone only making a modest living buying tools made for millionaires. While I do own many S-O tools, I also own Mac, Matco, Craftsman, Knipex, Channelock, Crescent, S&K, Proto, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Starrett, Brown & Sharpe, etc. THERE IS NO ONE TOOL COMPANY THAT MAKES EVERYTHING "THE BEST"! Being a perfectionist myself, you need to open up your mind and accept that when it comes to tools, you need to "cherry pick" from the top companies and assemble your own tool set - then you will optimize your entire collection - but yes, the handles and colors wouldn't match, that would drive you crazy - lol! As for the tool box, it is my opinion that the S-O is a much more robust box and while sold at rip off prices will take a lot more abuse than Sonic. Not everyone slowly and carefully opens and closes drawers as you do. The S-O boxes have proven themselves over 100 years. I own S-O boxes as well as old made in USA Craftsman boxes. When I bought the Craftsman boxes 45+ years ago I could not afford the S-O ones, but they have survived just fine and I feel no need you upgrade because of that. They still function perfectly and still look descent. I am not bad mouthing Sonic at all! I am sure many of them are good, but if you look at things objectively, the Sonic lineup seems to put more value on "the look" & storage compartments/systems and function is secondary thought. Sonic's screwdrivers are just not as heavy duty and will not last as long - that I KNOW! I agree that in the power tool selection, Milwaukee blows the competition away! That is what 90% of mine are, with a few DeWalts, Porter Cable and others thrown in for good measure. Milwaukee's batteries are the best! Snap-on's battery operated tools do not hold a candle to Milwaukee and they are more than twice the price! I own NONE of the S-O electric tools and would advise no one buy them either. Get the Milwaukee! Last opinion I will make here is that the casters on these mega huge tool boxes are almost a moot point - reason being is that pretty much all Mechanics I know put their huge boxes in one place and NEVER move them! I know of no Mechanic that rolls his big main tool box around the shop!! That's what work carts are for. Snap-on is now living on their past reputation when they had little competition. They have for the most part priced themselves out and people are slowly figuring that out. That said, most of the S-O line are still great tools but the competition from Taiwan is also almost as good at 1/4 the price. BTW, I own a bunch of Knipex pliers and while they are very very good tools, I would compare them to Channelock at 1/3 the price. There is nothing magical about Knipex and Channelock at 1/3 the price are just as good IMHO. I KNOW you personally don't have the time and patience to "cherry pick" a tool lineup but that would be the proper way in which to get the ultimate tool set - rather than buying one single brand (from any company)!
Well said. I thought I make it pretty clear that the solution is and always will be to find best in class for each application. Curating tools is my entire plan.
I agree with you, except on knipex. There may be equal or better quality pliers, but I’ve never seen them.
I’ve been buying professional tools for 37 years, back when I started it was Crapsman or tool trucks. Im sure my box would end up looking a lot different if I started today.
Im sure Matt would have a different opinion if he had been using the same tools and boxes for 3 decades.
@@ObsessedGarageyou just got taken to school by bobby
@@ObsessedGaragemy problem with a lot of what you said is summarized in his comment but also 2 things a polish is easier to clean than mat and harder to rust also everyone wants to talk about cost looks or hand feel screw all of that the wrench socket etc that is less likely to round or strip used worn fasteners ect makes my job harder and more aggravating the tool that I need to hold the least amount of time to do a job in the best tool period
Also as far as the import comments go when you made this video the yen was worth crap and buying anything in japan on the dollar was cheaper that’s not always going to be the case
Random point -If I get a job offer next week I'll be restarting a career at 36 in a&p. That's probably the one area where boxes get moved everywhere from what I've seen so likely the 0.5% use case difference.
$66,000 for two boxes full of tools? I've heard enough.
Thanks for doing this. It made my decision easy.
Yes, buy Craftsman, Kolbalt, Milwaukee, Hart. Have enough money left over to buy a new motorcycle, 83” TV, home theater system and food for a couple of months!
Isnt the best way to compare tools by using them versus just looking at them?
I know quality when I see it.
@@ObsessedGaragethat's a load of shit.
This is so hilarious that he doesn’t even turn wrenches and he thinks he’s some authority on tools 😂
Isnt the matte vs shiny finish all in the prep polishing before chrome plating? So shiny = more labor = cost?
The snap on flush cutters were released in 2019. A lot of their popular pliers are a new design that came out just recently. They also came out with flank drive plus among other things. Matts just talking out his ass when he says the design is 60 years old. There's only a few tool companies really innovating and snap on is one of them. Sonic is definitely not one of them...
Well their “new” tech is so awesome it looks 60 years old. Keep watching. In about 6 months I’ll be an expert.
@@ObsessedGarage At the end of the day it's just a hand tool. So it's really hard to "look" that different from a hand tool made 60 years ago. A lot of the innovation is incremential and small. You can't really notice the difference between a flank drive wrench vs a regular wrench until you go to use it. the Small teeth cuts are barely visible to the naked eye. Or take a koken ratchet, from the exterior it looks like a regular ratchet, and it only has 72 teeth? That's nothing special on a spec sheet. It doesn't even have a good handle. It's the minor incremential changes made in machining and design that make the top tier tools, top tier. It's hard to visually see these differences, its under hard use that the benefits come out.
I'm sure Sonic is standing firmly on the shoulders of the work Snap On, Mac, Matco and others have done in designing their tools. Even the tool trucks sell their Taiwan tools for 30% less than the stuff made in the USA.
I'm curious, would you ever consider looking at a complete Gearwrench solution since they have done their rebrand? Their foam organization options are similar to Sonic and they seem to have a decently robust catalog of tools.
One thing to note about this Matt. The Snap-on tool box is overbuilt per the specs. But there is a good reason. You'll see many old tooltruck brand tool boxes still working well from the 80's and 90's era. All that "unncessary" over speccing means that it can be used day in and day out, abused (a lot of mechancs are really rough on there stuff) and it will still be kicking. When a drawer is rated for 400 lbs, this rating is calculated by the weight excerted on the slides and repeated openinings. I forget the number I think it's 50,000 or something along that line. So, if a drawer slide can handle 400 lbs and 50,000 openings. Then, if its only loaded at 200 lbs, you doubled it's life span to 100,000 openings till it predicted to fail.
Yes. Those Snap-On tool boxes are made for a daily work environment of a professional shop. I watch a few You Tube channels that are from professional repair shops. The tool boxes they have are old. They buy it once and it keeps on working without issue. They've said they aren't cheap but they haven't replace them. They often times bought them when there was a sale going on.
Back when I became a technician 29 years ago I purchased all Snap On hand tools & some air tools. 99% of those tools still are used daily. With that said when the Snap On dealer comes by every Tuesday I absolutely laugh at some of the prices that he lists off for their current product range. Especially their electric tools. They’re not even close near competitive with Milwaukee’s. Don’t even get me started on their toolboxes.
Snap-On stole Milwaukees battery technology and paid out something like $27m to Milwaukee. The price of the 14.4 SnapOn tools is nuts, but they’re good tools. The toggle switch’s make them worth the money for me.
“Dumb wrench in logo” 18:27. Same frame, giant blue nut in logo on wall… just sayin
Loool
That's actually pretty funny
My curated tool collection is basically all the best tools from Project Farms tests lol. Gearwrench ratchets, Knipex pliers, Wiha screwdrivers, Milwaukee impacts, etc
What sockets did you get?
@@JustMe-999a currently craftsman and gearwrench
Thanks, Matt…for your process of experiencing a variety of products, and curating the ones you prefer…regardless of the brand. 👍
As a Mechanic and business owner who uses his tools daily, I think foam inserts are more for the home garage and military mechanics IMO. The reason is time is not your enemy in those conditions "for the most part." The foam also allows you to see what's missing quickly and accurately, so it has a place in areas where tools cannot be left out. When you're fighting the clock on the other hand, the foam is sometime difficult to grab tools from and when you're dirty trying to keep it clean it can get frustrating. Proper reliefs around the tools in the the foam do help with that, but with daily use the foam get chewed up quickly... I'd suggest making a foam cut out with a plastic insert or plastic pieces in high contact areas of removal/install. Also some sockets now come with magnetic holders made of plastic which are great for installing on a cart's open lid or the side of a tool box. They also make for quick and easy socket removal.
The only thing I can say to this is the majority of the customers I work with are in fact not professional level mechanics, but the guy who is doing his own work out of his home garage.
I agree that the foam inserts may not be ideal for a professional setting. I would recommend something like a Tool Grid system for a busier shop environment.
Honestly would be curious what Matt would think of Gearwrench tools. I feel like they are another company like sonic that makes really good stuff at a similar price point
Gearwrench has race teams now and tools trucks. Project farm has scientific test on almost every top tool brand.
Gearwrench is wayyy more affordable than sonic tools. Gearwrench also actually has some really nice innovations behind their stuff. Like their ratchets and wrenches. While gearwrench makes stuff oversea's, you'll actually see gearwrench in a professional's toolbox. Sonic tools are just rebrands of brands from another brand.
Yes. Gearwrench has most of their tools made in Taiwan. Sonic has raised their prices a lot the past couple of years. It looks more like they’re trying to take advantage that they’re a European company as if that means something.
I think "the best" is a mix of brands. I really like the sonic box and the organization is amazing. I have the 73" ICON box with lots of different brands in it. works for me
I bought a set of Icon wrenches last year. I have a set of shorter Snap-On wrenches which I used a lot when I had my motorcycle. I needed longer wrenches so I bought the Icon ones and they have been working fine for me. Good warranty. Take it back to the store.
This is awesomely helpful!! THANK YOU!! I'm just a DIYer who's just getting into wrenching in mid life (Just turned 57 today! WOOT! ) and was surprised to hear so many people praising Snap On. SO - I saw a truck and approached the guy then started asking questions. I was like you, I couldn't believe the quality and something seemed WAYYYY off. The price-to-value proposition failed completely and when looking online it's almost as if people have religion about an inferior product.....which is mind blowing but reminds me of the VHS vs BetaMax wars of the 80s, the XBox vs Playstation wars of the 90s and 00s and on and on it goes. Thanks for sharing your honest opinion but also backing it up with solid use and reviews. That's what's missing from so many people's vids, the reasons WHY they feel the way they do. Well done.
I like when he said he needs to clean the Snap on tools after use and doesn't have to clean the Sonic tools. What?
The chrome finish on the Snap-on tools gets disgusting just by looking at it.
Just wondering if anyone has tried the Milwaukee tool box and tools and if they are any good or even comparable to this stuff
How do the foam inlays hold up over time? I'd be concerned with chemicals, oils, fuels breaking down the foam.
The inlays don't always look like the tightest best use of space.
What happens when a tool breaks and they don't have an exact replacement to fit in that cut out?
I'd also be concerned when having to add tools with the foam. It looks like in the long run, it could cause a toolbox that has tools all over the place, and the storage flow doesn't make sense.
Note I'm not comparing Sonic and Snap-Op or Tool Grid. Just putting my concerns and questions about foam inlays out there to people that have experience with it.
Snap ons foam trays have lasted me a few years. And chemicals don’t have much effect on them. Snap on tested their foam trays against a bunch of solvents and chemicals to make sure they’d hold up.
I can’t speak about the sonic ones because I didn’t keep any of them.
@@charlessimons668 Does the red turn black from grease stains or can it be cleaned easily?
I own Sonic toolbox. You can order the trays loose if needed. That's a big plus at itself. You can refresh them every 5 years and your tools look like new. If you order a box you get a card with an tag you can scan with your telephone. You'll go straight to the warranty page. Super easy.
I own my box for 6 or 7 years now, still going strong. Only 1 warranty required. Guy showed up next day. Asked me what happened. I was honest and showed him how I abused the wrench. Luckily: because 2 days later I got a bigger wrench for free with a card: "good luck abusing this one." 😅😅
Both wrenches and other tools still going strong. Cart as well.
Only minor: you really need to break in the ratchet wrenches.
How well do they stand up to pounding and standing on?, that's how I judge a tool?, p.s. what about Craftsman tools?
Who the heck stands on a wrench? I don't have baby arms, so I just use my hands.
Thanks for the review, Im a technician for 10 years in Germany and I´ll stick with SnapOn for wrenches, ratchets, sockets and extensions. Can only agree with you when talking about the pliers for me only Knipex. Hazet has the best Torque tools they are very famous for. Comparing SnapOn with Sonic is like comparing Porsche with Suzuki, in the end we all arrive at a certain destination but How ? In the end you are right The Mix of tools makes the difference. Prost from Oktoberfest !
Snap-on is the NASCAR of tools, not Porsche.
I'm lucky enough to work somewhere with a healthy budget. We purchased 4 Snap-On double stacks, well north of $100k, and they're all kitted out with foam inserts. They've been great, as they should be. Issues have been limited. A few twisted hex bit sockets, and a couple torque wrenches busted, which carry an extremely limited warranty. Shame for how much they cost. We could have probably doubled what we received going with another brand, but Snap-On being GSA makes things simple for us.
Have you checked out Ko-Ken tools from Japan and Wiha Tools (mainly screwdrivers)?
What I appreciate most from Matt…is his candidness. Always calling it the way it is. 👏
How much will a used Sonic tool box be worth with in 10 years? Maybe $250, I’ll keep my snap on box that will still be worth 7k 10 years from now
I bought and Epic two years ago. Mine is spec’d different. Drawer layout to my specs. Storm grey, all blacked out. Price was over $14k. I paid $7200. Agree with some of your points, spot weld visible on lower rail, appears unfinished. But for daily work, it’s pretty darn good. Filled with 30 years of my spec’d tools from many different companies.
From a couple of other channels that are actually recorded in a repair shops. They’ve had their Snap-On tool boxes for quite a few years and they’re still holding up without issues. In a commercial shop they aren’t into placing their tools with precision into a particular spot. Just like you those shops have tools that they use that are old and may not be made anymore.
Did Snap-On stop doing laser cut foam? We had a zillion laser cut foam Snap-On boxes when I was working on F-16s.
They have some tool kits for individual tools, but it's not great.
Wow, that sucks. We had engine change boxes the size of the blue one, every drawer was laser cut. And all of our other boxes were the same way. We had 33 F-16, and had a laser cut box, 4ft by 4ft by 4ft tall, full of laser cut drawers, for each jet. Maybe they just custom did the boxes for us, as maybe they considered it a commercial account? I’m not sure. But that’s sad to see a snap-on box that’s not all cut in custom laser foam in the drawers. We had some really nice stuff.
A factor to consider when evaluating Snap on is the resale value of their boxes and tools.
Or any of the competitors is a fraction of the original cost.
The reason I’m doing this giveaway is that my $30,000 spent on Snap-On would sell for $10,000 since it’s used.
Have you ever tried to sell a used Snap On, Matco or Mac toolbox? You’ll be lucky to get 25 to 35% of the original cost that you paid.
There's no way I could do what you do, don't have the patience, organization skills, budget or madness though I love tools. Great series. I would pick the Sonic if I didn't have most of the Milwaukee stuff up top. The color of that Snap On box is just too nice not to get. We will see if I get picked to choose. Good luck everyone.
When you do some real wrenching everyday snap-on is king. We had some things from sonic… sorry but everything broke no more.
That’s all nonsense.
Can we buy anything in the store to qualify or just the digital?
Just digital.
Im in Canada but my dad owns a house in Florida that he spends all winter there. Can I enter the raffle and ship the box if I win in Florida or you really need to be a US resident??
Also agree about new Snap On screwdrivers. I love the old school hard square handles. I bought 3 sets for my shop when they were re-released. New ones with soft grip are garbage.
Polished vs satin, I think that’s a personal preference. I like polished, they clean easier.
Sockets, 90% of the time I use Mids, both 1/4 and 3/8 drive. Have short, mid, deep and extra deep. But mids are go to.
Flank drive plus? Love it, but also have smooth ones. One of my complaints with Sonic is how many of their sockets are 12 points. I have zero use for 12 point sockets. Maybe that’s an aviation thing. After seeing the tool foam setups from Sonic, I love it. For my home shop, I will probably outfit it with Sonic and a cabinet array
Yes. When I watch channels that are from professional repair shops they organize their tools in certain trays and cabinets. They aren’t worried about putting it precisely in a specified location of a drawer. They have too much work to do. They know where tool is at. For home use it doesn’t matter if you take the time to put a tool away to a specific spot.
I respect your review, however to me Snap On seems far superior in my opinion. One HUGE thing you failed to mention I think is the versatility that the Epiq toolbox offers rather than the Sonic. The Sonic your getting that toolbox, Snap on there is limitless customization in the colors, the trim, the drawer layout, you can add side cabinets, hutches, power drawers, above head storage, additional toolboxes etc to it. Also, to me that Sonic really tall drawer is essentially useless space, and only one wide drawer is not enough. The foam is really nice in the Sonic but as you mentioned for example those Sonic hammer look quite terrible how can you replace them, without ruining the organization that the Sonic offers so your basically stuck with them.
plenty of other boxes can do that for less than a 1/4 of the price man even some of the harbor freight are attachable now
@@JSC2040 I have never seen a toolbox have as many options or customizability as snap on period.
@@JSC2040harbour freight US general boxes are literally copies of Snap-on that are made overseas. Saves you money, but not in the long run, and for me who doesn’t live in USA, there is no us general so I have to buy Snap-on if I want a good box
How long was the loan for and what did you settle for on the interest rate?
@@joiion913 I have not really looked at the new Icon boxes, but I have owned US General and they are straight junk compared to Snap On. If you don't have the money, US General and others are options, but Snap On makes top notch boxes and their service is second to none.
Snap on ratchets, Milwaukie power tools, Mac air tools, any decent sockets, knipex pliers, vessel/wera screwdrivers, mechanics time saver organizers, tool grid, precision brand torque wrench’s, snap on extractors, snap on tap-die, harbor freight hammers. Box of your choice. This would be my ideal setup
Ok I see why you like Sonic now. You are digging the organization of how the sonic tools stay in the draws. That is very nice. They definitely thought out their layout. Have a good one.
Did I miss the video announcing the winners? Don’t see it or any mention on your website.
Check the latest podcast from last Friday.
The Sonic box is going up to Georgia and the Snap-on will be in Indiana.
Honesty and trust is invaluable. Thanks Matt, for your incite and honest opinions. Without you doing stuff like this nobody would ever know. Love this kind of content.
Experiences, not opinions.
@@timkinley1779 How do you consider this to be experience? Time and actual usage of a product is needed to be informed. I’d consider what someone like Mike F would say because he has used the tools over time. This is simply brand admiration or lack thereof.
@@jayrev11 You must be new. Matt doesn't "give opinions".
How do you know this is honest and trustworthy? Because the salesman told you so? Whatever credibility Matt had is diminished after this series. I have thousands of dollars of both tools. Sonic tools are comparable to USA craftsmen with a Euro appearance. If you have a chance to hold both in your hands, you will pick SO 11 times out of 10. Matt has this “euro is better” mindset coupled with watching his bank account grow with each Sonic sale.
@@timkinley1779 I’m not new, just not naive! I support OG and will continue to do so objectively. My question to you still stands!
I prefer the look of snap on box. I love the color. I would’ve preferred the rhino top. Thats my style BUT how could I not choose the sonic box with all that Milwaukee power tools. Most mechanics/technicians really look into fit and finish most of the time.
Do you sell these set up?
Nice build out. Both boxes are missing electrical diagnostics and repair tools though.
He’s not a mechanic but a fan of mechanic’s lol he doesn’t turn wrenches he’s a hobbyist
Have you tried Hazet or Stahlwille?
Wow, I mean, I guess the partnerships you make, at least your partners know they can trust you. The rest of us tho….. not so much unfortunately. How about the fact that for starters, Sonic is a branding company, to my knowledge they do not actually make any of their tools. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m willing to guarantee that of all the tools labeled Sonic, how many are direct copies of, or blatant spinoffs of, tools actually created/design/and manufacture by snap on. As far as those T Handles, I own the whole set also, and the fitment into fasteners is top tier, not better than Wera or Wiha or Any other top level drivers, equal. The screwdrivers, the amount of research and the tweaking of the shape of them, Snap On is THE cutting edge of all of that, and has been, for over 100 years. And to even try to say that Sonic has a better warranty, sheesh. Sounds like a complete nightmare to me. Call Sonic then what? Mail it in maybe? At that point they forward it on to the people who have a clue about tools, and should it be an expensive tool, maybe they don’t mail out a replacement immediately, then what? You just borrow a buddies for a couple months waiting?
That is nonsense. Those T-handles are junk. Snap-On is about as cutting edge as Nacar.
I worked for a firm who provided me a roller cabinet within a week of starting with them. Don't get me wrong, all my tools were paid for by me beforehand and I worked for several firms over the years. I fastened my 5drawer tool chest on top of the roller cabinet. Then transferred tools from other boxes into the roller cab.
The roller cabinet has 3 full length drawers plus a lift up lid at the bottom for larger stuff like drills, screwdriver, batteries etc and some air tools. I'm retired now but glad I have everything organised My tools are a mix from different providers . Some snap-on ratchets but I paid up front or within a few weeks.
That snap on box is 10x better then the sonic in every aspect lol.
Looks alot nicer, better quality. Sonic has double tools in the box because 60% of them are useless and junk bits that you will never used. Just like craftsman did in those sears 3-4 drawers little boxes they use to sell the would market 300-400 tools but half were tools/bits you will never need just to make it seem like a deal. Idk why mat thinks sonics screwdrivers are better? They look like the cheapest possible junk you could buy. Idk how mat is blinded with sonic. But its junk quality. Will never come close to performing like Snap on. But i could see why someone would buy them and keep them in there garage for show and looks. Snap-on is made to get used to beat and still survive not like sonic thats clapped up together.
He's blinded because he's a dealer for them, see the top comment on this video for more info on that.
Also his experience is not what a normal mechanic would entail ie: working with time constraints so it's no surprise he chooses what satisfies his OCD rather than what satisfies the task at hand
That sonic box with the Milwaukee drawer would literally change my life i would make substantially more money and wouldnt have to work so much overtime to support my family even the snap on box would do it but having the Milwaukee drawer would make it that much better but either lf them would do it for sure i wish i could have entered this and won one of them
To put Sonic price vs Snap On price in better perspective I just went through Snap Ons catalog and made a list of every 1/4" tool with as few doubles and unnecessary tools as possible and it added up to $25,523.05.
No wonder mechanics are fucked up
snap on websites prices and tool truck prices are two different things tool trucks always cheaper than the website
@@gregshearer423 Well, that is stupid. It would turn me off from Snap On immediately as a high end consumer that has a nice tool set at home.
@gregshearer423 ok so with discount maybe $20,000 for only 1/4" not including 3/8", 1/2", 1", 1 1/2", 2 1/2", wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers and snips, Torque wrenches, prybars, or hammers.
@@-MantaKing- just said it was cheaper but a still think your points pretty stupid cause you ain’t gonna buy one of every 1/4 drive tool snap on makes 😂
Does anyone know when the drawing is?
I did the live drawing on my podcast on October 6th.
Skip to 1:20:00 in the video: th-cam.com/video/ti7CGeCGfoI/w-d-xo.html
when you where comparing both screwdrivers i think snap-on screwdriver look better to me . but if you trying to compare the price that a different story cuz snap-on is way over price but snap-on does make real good tools
I like the color of the snap-on box and the height but I think if I won I’d take the sonic just because you get more bang for the buck. Just my preference.
The thing about buying snap on boxes. is to buy used in good condition. I purchased a 60 epiq for 5k then a 84 w hutch for another 5k. Less than 11k for just one box. There’s a lot of good deals out there.
That’s the smart move.
have you looked into koken tools?
i’d pick the sonic over snap on
Yes, I'm halfway through the catalog. I'll place my order in the next week or so.
Love the socket layout. I don’t like that it’s so far down. I’m always grabbing a socket or wrench I don’t want to reach half way down the tool box. Top drawer for socket second to top wrench’s.
Looking through the Sonic catalog, I can see a large gap in tools for heavy duty applications. True they have some 1” drive items, but owning a diesel repair shop, I can see where there would be quite a bit of lacking in support for that category. That being said, I would consider buying a Sonic loaded roll cart with essentials as a “helper” box for anyone coming to work for me. Unfortunately, I will stay with my Snap-on supply for my own use. Now, I don’t consider myself to be a Snap-on fanboy. I despise their shop equipment, power tools aren’t worth it compared to Milwaukee, and they do try to sneak rebrand stuff in as their own. To each their own, and for most applications, especially techs working for a company, Sonic looks like it could be a ideal solution.
There are many gaps in the sonic catalog
You should get sonic to make a box like snap-on or Sonic kits fit the sap-on box.
Thank you Matt!!
Seemingly insane premium for tools that are going to get beat up and in some cases, busted... I don't buy tools as jewelry. Milwaukee and Gearwrench tools serve me well... can't see any situation in which the premium is fair value.
Sometimes it comes down to want. I don't want to spend money on things I don't want.
Snap on box is beautiful
No break free- CLP- and a rag- OIL YOUR TOOLS
You can fill the drawer with lollipops. LMFAO 😂
I would say the snap on handle with the triangle shape I can get more torque on it.
I entered the giveaway. I like the sonic setup better but if I win I will choose the snap-on because there’s great odds I can sell it to a sucker with a Corvette who likes to overpay for average tools.
Bought a full set of Snap-On 30 years ago. When Snap-On closed the plant in Johnson City TN in 07, I stopped buying Snap-On and started buying from the Matco truck. But then I found a lot of their tools were rebranded like Witte screwdrivers for example. So about 10 years ago I started buying Tekton. Love their tools. A lot are made in the USA (not all). The bang for the buck on Tekton tools is great in my opinion. Their website is fantastic and easy to use.
I just got a 56'' US General Series 3 for around $900. It seems amazing for the price. I would love for you to pick one up and give us your thoughts on it. Also, obviously not as big of an investment as the Sonic or Snap On, but I'm sure people would like to know what you think about it.
When it comes to boxes, I agree with you 100%. That’s why I bought a harbor freight.
Would like to see you get a Dragonfire Tools Toolbox and give it an Obsessed review. The owner seems to be very into customer feedback.
Matt, why do you tell us how you really feel about Snap-On 🤣.. enjoy your videos and your unfiltered opnions!..
Snap On was always the ultimate in my mind. Thanks for your honest review!
It still is for the most part. This guy didn’t even use any of the tools 😂
Am I missing something here? Most mechanics never buy just the tool chest. I don't see top boxes, hutches, side cabinets, or overhead cabinets on Sonic's website? Why would I purchase Sonic if I cant expand the box as my collection grows?
That makes no sense. If you have a giant immovable tool box with a bunch of stuff bolted to it, why in the world wouldn’t you just buy a superior cabinet array for a whole lot less money?
@@ObsessedGarage Well let me explain. Perhaps you are at the house you are going to die in. There are those of us who aren't. I don't know about where you live, but here in Ohio and many other states if cabinets are bolted to the studs unless you disclose that they are not included in the sale of the home you cannot take them with you. Anything bolted or screwed to the structure is included in the sale. Also, who wants to move a bunch of cabinets not on wheels even if they do disclose it. If I have a rolling tool chest that has expandable additions then I can keep adding as my tool collection grows and take it with me when I move.
This doesn't even factor in the guys who work in shops that need to be able to take their tools and boxes with them if they change jobs. No one is bolting a bunch of cabinets to their employers building. These boxes are not "immovable." Mechanics and tow truck companies move them every day.
You are a very smart guy who is typically logical, but the bias of what you are selling clouds you from seeing other angles and perspectives at times. Instead of saying "that makes no sense" how about talking to Sonic about the hole in the market they are missing by not selling hutches, lockers, and end cabinets?
I turned wrenches in the 80s and 90s and still have those tools. When my built in 99 Snap On box finally had some rails get sticky, I called Snap on and they sent me the rails on their dime. If I need tools warrantied, I call them, send the tools to them, and they send back new. With Mac, I just send the tools and new come back. Where will Sonic be in 40 years. Taiwan might not even be a country by then. I'll stick with my made in USA stuff.
late night watching couple your videos on these. I am a mechanic and I'm always getting on my snap on guy for rebranding stuff and charging more for it. I have a healthy mix of craftsman, gearwrench, cornwell, snap on, ect. I can tell there are clear differences in some things but I still don't see it being worth spending the extra Especially on sockets or wrenches I might loose. Either way both seem like great boxes with a Lot of great tools (I know for me I would still lean toward snap on).
You don’t talk about warranty snap on comes weekly to help you how would you get warranty for your Chinese Sonic tools.
You are the hundredth person make warranty excuses. Warranties are for losers.
Even thought I don't use Snap On tools in a profesional context anymore.... I like that the SnapOn guy stops by every week because real mechanics break and lose tools. There are certain tools that Snap On does well and certain tools that aren't great. Snap On is one of the best when it comes to wrenches, sockets and ratchets. Many Snap On trucks carry Knipex.
As always I appreciate your passion and input.... but your experinece is not the typical experience. Most guys just want to work with good tools.... a smooth operating drawer and know that someone has their back everyweek if they break or lose a tool.
Do you sell Snap On? 🤔
No.
@@ObsessedGarage how ironic 🤣
What day is the drawing? Can’t wait for my sonic box 😂
On the podcast this Friday.
I can say as a person whose family business is rebuilding cars and mechanics all tools break, wear out, get lost, stolen, or some never used. Buy what you can afford, use the right tool for the job, even if you have to make one for the job, and youll end up with a selection of tools from every brand that has a unique job and function.
We have everything from full Snap-On boxes all the way down to Stanley, Black & Decker, etc. We've broken tools from every brand we have and all have been warrantied.
At the end of the day all tools do the samething. Some maybe better at the job then others. You shouldn't break yourself over tools when a vast majority of the job can be done with a cheaper tool.
Like 50-75% of the tool brand battle is opinions of the past. At one time foreign tools couldnt compete. Now with modern tech and improved manufacturing methods they've really closed the gap.
To be fair, Snap On makes foam inserts.......... Easy way to make that $35k become $70k 😂
When I lose a 10mm socket..... the Snap On guy will swing by my shop and drop one off...
For $75…
@@ObsessedGarage I bought a deep 6 point 3/8 10mm socket for $22 a few months ago...... 😉
7 instalments of 8.99...
Sonic is a Dutch company, not Taiwanese. We also use it in the garage where I work in the Netherlands.
Where are the tools made
Been watching this channel for a long time and have always enjoyed the content and appreciate the talk about quality work and tools. I understand the "goal" of this series is to compare snap-on and sonic tool boxes. But its been a consistent bash about snap-on from the beginning from the box to the tools. I knew it was going to be, from watching this channel over the years there's always been snap- on "hate". Cant take this review serious from matt simply because he is selling the tools/box that he says is "better" than snap-on. Would like to see a straight up comparison with the tools them self. Sonic vs snap- on ratchet not snap-on vs koken. There are many tool brands that you can compare with snap-on that make just as high quality or higher quality for cheaper or around the same price but that's not what this series was suppose to be about. Been very little talk about sonic vs snap-on tools them self. Maybe I'm just to American and don't understand.
No you’re right, he doesn’t really compare the tools at all, even in this video he just holds up two tools and says “eh the Snap-on just doesn’t do it for me”
He literally complains about Snap-on a chrome 😂 that chrome will outlive him, meanwhile the sonic will rust away in 5 years (at least if you live in rust belt)
Yeah I think I'm "too American" to understand to. I'm not saying Taiwan made tools are bad, heck I have some but I have never heard anyone say they are better than Snap-on. And I have been in the automotive/motorcycle industry for 40 years, since 1983.
Didn’t find out about this till after it was over but imo I like the sonic but the drawer lay out isn’t what if prefer
Sonic tool box is sick when it come to tools inside.
Matt I gotta ask, if we lived in a world where sonic did NOT have their amazing foam system...would you be as sold? I feel like many of the people consistently wrenching are OK with their tools being strewn about....
I would use Tool Grid for organization if Sonic did not have their foam system.
@@ObsessedGarage so sonic tools in a Tool Grid > Snap On in a tools grid? Foam aside, trying to decide what to choose when I win the giveaway.
Wheres the follow up on all of this?
Video is going up this weekend.
I do value your opinion, The reason must love Snap-on iis they work in the industry and the truck comes to them. How do you warranty tools if no truck shows up. You mail them back to the seller / company and wait weeks to get it back. This is just an opinion Thanks for the video great job an the organization of each box well done
I will use Tekton as and example. I called them. The guy directed me to the website. I took a picture of the broken reducer with my phone and uploaded it to their site. Two days later I had a new reducer in the mailbox. No mailing in, no other questions. Simple as that.
for Sonic & Tekton you literally just take a picture of the broken tool and you'll have a replacement in ~2 business days.
The Snap-On trucks here in Australia often sell Knipex as well, because Aussies will not buy the dog shit Snap-On pliers.
How can I get into your raffle
It ended September 30th.
I have a smorgasbord of tools bought and collected since my first Husky set bought in the mid '60s to my latest SnapOn acquisitions. I've used them all but you'll never know that SnapOn is the best unless you've worked with them all. Granted, you need to weigh and balance the cost of a SnapOn tool but you will often say to yourself 'I shoulda' spent the money for that tool'.
Sonic tools are great for diy and home setups. Snap on is is better for everyday use if you’re wrenching for a living js
No...
We use sonic in our garage in the Netherlands. Snap on isnt really known here.
Sonic is also a Dutch company
I'd love to see what Matt thinks about Ammo products. I've never seen a single professional ever other than the man who invents it ever use it. I know Matt has a man crush on Larry so be very interesting to see his take on that.
I've carried them in my store at one point. I've found there are usually better alternatives in most cases.
I’m 17, currently trying too build my tool collection. I really like Milwaukee stuff and snap on is just out of the question. These videos are what I aspire to be able to afford and do one day.
Go for it. You'll get there.
@@ObsessedGarage Ur sonic line up is really impressive what you offer + the milwaukee tools. Seeing stuff like this is what keeps me working
It’s amazing that you’re going to this length to try and prove a point and actually putting your money where your mouth is, but it seems like you have a weird nitpick.
Everytime you critique the Snap-on, and praise sonic you don’t actually go into much detail “all I can do is shrug my shoulders” is something you said, instead of saying something.
If you want to know who makes the best tool, just look up project farm, torque test channel, shop tool reviews and many more. In nearly every test, Snap-on always wins testing. So if you want the best tool functionality wise, Snap-on is the go-to in most cases. Japanese is amazing and better in some cases, I own many Japanese too. I steer away from Chinese/Taiwan tools when I can because they really don’t holdup, they aren’t good in the rust belt.
You seem like a car guy, ever heard of Volvo? They make really ugly cars, but they are also the most solid cars. It’s similar for many tools from Snap-on. Ugly but solid and functional.
One point you touched on were the dipped pliers handles, they are sticky for a reason, when applying a lot of torque you want the handle to have a good grip so your hand doesn’t slip off them.
You complain about the chrome Snap-on has, when that improved durability and prevents rust.
You Complain about their trilobe handle in screwdrivers, when that function is to provide grip for turning high torque
You complain there’s been no innovation for years which is just disingenuous at best, a blatant lie at worst, SOME tools from Snap-on haven’t changed much in years and there’s a reason for that, it’s the best design.
For example, vessel is a screwdriver manufacturer in Japan, they have had ball grip screwdrivers for over 80 years. The only thing that’s changed was the material they make the ball out of, it’s been the same shape for decades, and they are a top screwdriver manufacturer.
“If it ain’t broke don’t fix it”
Your only good point is the point on the toolboxes build quality, but you have to remember, you chose a matte colour for sonic, and a gloss for Snap-on. Snap-on has matte ones, you should have bought both similar boxes and compared apples to apples. Maybe you only work on newer cars, so your needs are different, but anything with rust you need the best tool, the strongest and most precise tool. And having worked on cars for over 10 years, that is undeniably Snap-on. I didn’t start off with Snap-on, it took me years of fighting with cheap Chinese tools until I borrowed someone’s Snap-on tools that I realized the difference.
When he uses the word precision to describe Sonic. Is there slop when using a Snap-On wrench or socket. The only time I’ve ever seen a really sloppy socket was an old 1/4 drive Proto socket set I had back in the 70s. I eventually threw those sockets away. They were truly too sloppy. That’s the only time I’ve ever seen such a poorly designed and made socket being so bad. Now days I haven’t seen that kind of poor quality. I use my tools them for home use so I’m not going to go out and buy different brands until I need to. I bought my SK socket set back in the mid 70s and they’re still working fine for me. I’ve used them on two engine rebuilds and countless other repair jobs. I used to have a Triumph TR-4 that my older brother gave me after he graduated from college. That was a high maintenance car. It taught me a lot about doing maintenance. I thought the front disc brakes were big compared to what I was seeing on American cars that had disc brakes. Rebuilt the brake calipers with parts from JC Whitney.
There is nothing about the Snap-on tools that exceeds my expectations. The most I can do is shrug my shoulders at it. With the price they are charging and the quality presented, I simply do not like them.
I know that I can go to a number of other manufacturers and get tools at an equal or greater level of craftsmanship as the Snap-on tools for a fraction of the cost.
Snap-on tools work. But are they the best? No.
Nothing is perfect. Everything can be improved. Just because something isn't broke, there are still ways things can be improved upon.
So who won?
Check out the podcast recording from last Friday.
The Sonic box went to Geoffrey from Georgia. The Snap-on went to Hayden in Indiana.
Maybe snap on is in the best but no other truck comes to your shop when something breaks and get it fixed or warranty. If you had to do any other tool brand it would have to be mailed out. But I agree snap on isn't the best but it's really good for sheer convenience
Exactly and if you have a good snap on dealer you can pretty much get anything warrantied can’t image trying to warranty a sonic tool
Sonic you snap a pic and send them a description they send you a new one with a return label don’t have to wait for the truck to come
@@dragndly unless Sonic is flying them on the fairy express, you are waiting on someone's truck to come and the Snap On truck is local, and therefore, faster.
When is the give away happening.?
The giveaway ended September 30th.
best trick to get alot of snap on for cheap is get a GMTK kit has majority of what you will ever need. never order what you want only buy from the truck if its on sale and negotiate. we pay for snap on cause if you get a good truck and break something they will driver over and deliver it to your shop that warranty and service is amazing with the right truck/rep i've had good and bad ones. otherwise if you dont use often or arent making you money using it or dont have a local truck avoid snap on gearwrench is just as quality for way cheaper. snapons resale is always good too.
when the drawing happening???
The drawing was on todays podcast.
Did u pick a winner yet.?
The winners were selected on my podcast on October 6th.
Skip to 1:20:00 in this video: th-cam.com/video/ti7CGeCGfoI/w-d-xo.html
Snap on has the foam inserts.
They only have a few, and they don’t fill a drawer.
I personally have multiple trucks that come to my work but 90% of techs want one thing, for the tool to work everyone knows how snap on will do they been at it for 100 years. It comes down to personal preferences at the end of the day. But one thing snap on and truck of that sort stay in business is for convenience just walk on and get it warranty and go back to work. Also most people don’t just pay it at one time they do payment plans for everything you may pay 50$ a week and may owe 1000$
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While I’m no snap on super fan boy, the sonic stuff just feels third class. Their wrenches feel like something I’d buy at Lowe’s, and their ratchets seem like something out of a Chinese tool kit.
Wrong
Nope
Request: Review the US General Series 3 and ICON - 56 or 72 sized toolboxes
Yeah...I'm not the guy for that one.