Hilarious Untold Stories from Games Workshop History!
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This week we talk to two titans of the industry John Stallard and Robin Dews, both have 20+ years of service to Games Workshop, John now owns Warlord Games, and both are co authors of the fascinating book "talking miniatures". We talk stories from the book and much more.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Coming Up
00:52 - Sponsor
02:24 - Podcast Intro
05:05 - Making Talking Miniatures Book
15:31 - White Dwarf Notalgia
18:35 - Unsung GW heroes & art style
24:44 - Making it up as you go
30:24 - Police called at GW day out
32:56 - More Stories from old school GW
39:54 - Foot locker armies
42:28 - Less detail on miniatures
44:54 - Customer service & forgeries
55:00 - Patreon Questions
01:37:50 - outro - บันเทิง
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Warmaster is the best ruleset that GW ever produced, great mini's too! Why do you think it didn't take off??
One of the things that made me want to work for GW was around 1994, I had a Blood Angels army for 2nd Ed. I'd seen a banner that I really liked, but it wasn't in any of the books I had and I had no clue where to get it. I rang up Mail Order to ask them what it was from. The guy on the phone patiently listened to my description of it, took my address and said he would be in touch. A few days later I got a few photocopied sheets in the post. He'd been up to the Studio Archive, found it, copied it and mailed it to me. No money, just a request from a guy for something cool, and they took the time to go find it.
I eventually loved working in the Studio for a dodgy Fat Bloke.
Fantastic! I love these sort of stories, and what an end result too 🙌
@@thepaintingphase I left in 04, as I saw the writing on the wall after the RotK came out. Still miss the people. Got my 5 year mug though.
Vol three ... should be just a collection of fight in the car park stories
Hahaha! And ranked in order of brutality 😂
@@thepaintingphase more like a list of arses kicked...and names taken ..
😂
The first rule of GW carpark fightclub.............
I dont know if Robin will ever see this, but those early battle reports were the thing that inspired me to start wargaming. I owe him a massive debt of gratitude. So thanks, i hope he sees this.
I’m sure he will 😍👍
@@thepaintingphase Cool. In the 0.001% chance i bump into him Bugmans i will buy him a pint.
Even just using Vassal & photos really got the point across. 🖤
White Dwarf needs to be championed at all costs. It's such an undervalued resource for this hobby. For so many of my formative years when I didn't have access to a local gaming group or really an FLGstore, before the days of the internet, White Dwarf was my sole connective tissue to keep me connected to the hobby. And some 30+ years on, it did it's job quite well and continues to do so! Great conversation, thanks for hosting and sharing!
I was a key timer on the MO phones and was pressganged by Robin into helping out set up the WW museum. 2005 or so. Lots of heavy lifting of cabinets up staircases, but what a lovely bloke Robin was. Treated us to lunch all week and let me have an hour with the 6th ed Wood Elf book a couple of months before release.
I also suggested we put the John Blanche undead diorama in there and Robin let me go fetch it from the Studio… what an honour and also bloody scary holding history! Top bloke Robin.
I have the Talking Miniatures book (got the signed one!) and it’s a fantastic read!
Hi there and thanks for commenting. God those cabinets were heavy, but we got it done and I always loved the peace and respect that the original Citadel Miniatures Hall, gave to those wonderful models. Thanks for playing a part in it and I am so glad to hear that you have enjoyed the book. That’s why we did it - for other people to enjoy. Best regards - Robin
These two absolute professionals... they know the first rule of Car Park Fight Club is you don't talk about Car Park Fight Club! Bravo.
Hahaha
These guys and people like them really are the salt of earth, passionate creators and visonaries. I am grateful for what they have given us today. Great discussion, thanks.
Talking Miniatures Vols. 1 & 2 are wonderful; I really hope there is a Vol. 3, and holy grail interviewees would of course by Bryan (& Diane) Ansell, and Tom Kirby!
I had the pleasure of meeting Robin and John earlier this year just before the Vols 1 & 2 were released. We did ask about Bryan's absence from the current edition and Robin informed us that it was mainly due to a combination of personal and health issues (the exact nature of which he wouldn't disclose out of courtesy to Bryan, and rightly so) but that they're hopeful for any future work. He also mentioned that John Blanche was another one they wanted to include but couldn't at the time, as John's retirement from GW was only announced after the books had already been sent for printing
Painting some minis, listening to The Painting Phase. A rather fabulous way to spend a Saturday morning ❤
Re the story at 45:28, I once bought a nice heavy pair of gaming headphones and when I got them home all that was in the box was a can of soup and a potato
Robin’s stint at White Dwarf is basically my early intro to GW - it was seeing Hero Quest and Space Crusade logos on the cover of issue 145 that caught my eye in the newsagent and dropped me down the rabbit hole (may well have been Robin’s decision to have them there….). Around that time was such a great period for the magazine, you really felt the personality of all of the staff coming through in a way which I guess just isn’t possible with GW being a much bigger, more corporate entity these days.
Great chat with both of these guys, a copy of the book has just ended up on my Christmas list.
Damn what a great discussion. Thank you 👏
That Talking Miniatures book(s) are absolute class. So much great stuff in them.
Dave Taylor used to edit white dwarf for Australia same time as Robin was editing UK
Hiya Sooty, yes that’s right. We used to call it ‘localisation’ where Dave in Oz, or the team in the US - Jerm and Drew, would take out all of the UK specific pages, like the retail ads and so on, and replace them with their Australian or US equivalents. We used to have a lot of fun… I can remember being told that we had to stop using the phrase, “…the Dwarfs beat off the Dragon!” in our battle reports, because it carried a whole different meaning in the US 😂 So what did we do… make sure that we included it in as many reports as we could! We were just very naughty boys! Best regards - Robin
Met Dave as a young fella when they opened the Warhammer store in Wollongong. Was proper Star struck at the time!😊
I really appreciate all the fantastic guests you bring to the show - but somehow I also miss just you three sitting around, painting stuff and chatting.
It’ll return, we just had an abundance of guests we wanted to get on the show, plus we hang out on twitch Wednesdays and Thursday too 6pm - 8:30pm BST/GMT so you can catch us there, and even ask us questions
I didn’t know of either book mentioned, until this podcast. My copy of Dice Men came earlier this week and I’ve really enjoyed reading it.
My copy of Talking Miniatures, from Warlord, arrived today. I should be doing paperwork right now, but I’m dipping in and out of both volumes and it’s just awesome.
If you have any interest in the history of where your favourite plastic soldiers came from then I strongly recommend looking into getting a copy. 7:46
Amazing! I’m glad our podcast was able to bring such a glorious text to your attention 😍👍
My first white dwarf was 166 and I recently tracked down and bought an old copy of it because it has always been my favorite battle report. Robin's style of battle reports are totally what made white dwarf for me. The detailed maps, showing moves and casualties, and most importantly the players thoughts on building the army and tactics at the beginning, and how it went and what they would change at the end. It was a magic formula that somehow got lost over time, unfortunately to the detriment of the magazine.
That’s so close to my first white dwarf purchase! Mine was 167 with the skaven on the front! Also I completely echo your sentiments regarding the battle reports etc 😘👌 - Peachy
My first White Dwarf was issue 126. Can remember when Robin Dews became editor. Was a fab era .
This and the other episodes interviewing the early contributors to GW/the industry are so important. Excellent work thanks!
the episode i've been waiting for! both legends. glad to see them on. great episode.
Absolutely amazing episode! The old GW stories are like dusting off my childhood memories.
Peachy's been drybrushing his trousers I see
Fantastic! Thanks guys so much for doing this. Book ordered!
Enjoyed that. Nice one lads!
This was a good start to a cold saturday am! Coffee, paints, and another great interview!
Great episode and enjoyed listening to Robin and John (and you guys of course!)
This was simply lovely. Really enjoyed hearing the tales from these legends
Such fantastic content guys!
This was another amazing interview. You are getting amazing guests on continuously. I loved hearing all the stories and they had me belly laughing at times. Look forward as always to what's next.
What a great video this one is chaps, most enjoyable and full of nostalgia. I'll definitely be picking up the book!!!
This was SO good. Brilliant!
The books a great read.... so many great people and so many great stories... and yet there are so many more!!!
Man, Robin was the editor of White Dwarf right as I was getting into the hobby. Absolutely adored the magazine from him era into Sawyers work. I kind fell out of that level of involvement with the hobby for a while at that point as work life seemed to take over everything. lol
An great episode once again!
Just brilliant ! this is exactly for such contents that I have joined the Painting Phase's patreon!! And just bought John and Robin's book on the Warlord store (+some Konflikt 47 goodies.... could not resist... eh eh eh). Encore une fois mille mercis !!
Another nostalgic, amazing insight into this amazing hobby. And now I'm drawn to checking out Warlord games...Thanks lads
This was amazing thank you.
Great stuff as always
Books arrived today. Absolute treasure trove of insight and nostalgia! Very good!
Really enjoyed this, two people who had a huge impact upon my childhood! I've ordered talking miniatures.
Great episode. I will definately be picking up the book.
Really enjoy the games Warlord are producing. Hope that maybe you will have John and Robin on again to talk about setting up Warlord.
Great interview, book ordered
I‘ve just finished reading Volume 2 and both books gave me soooo much joy while reading
Quality guests, had no idea about these books, will get them both 😀
Fantastic i enjoyed that and its wonderful to hear Robin say about holding a book or a magazine!! It means I’m not the only strange nostalgic person in the world!!
But i will have to add that book to my list 😊
I didn't realise Robin wrote the first battle report. I had to go have a look: 24 Hours At Carick Mound WD107 p69-71. TBH I thought the had been running much longer than. Proud to have a copy.
Great interview. John is the king of toy soldiers and a true English gentleman. Robin is quirky, funny, and was always a good sport when giving him a hard time. It was fantastic to see and hear John and Robin again. Cheers!
That was awesome. In 2019 I was returning to Alberta from Italy by way of England and Iceland (I'm allergic to mint so I try to break my air travel into short hops) and whilst in the UK was supposed to meet up with a friend I'd met in America and who lived in Nottingham. Alas, she got confused on the timing and stood me up for her best friend's wedding (how selfish, right? :P ) so I ended up just wandering around Nottingham. Never made it to GW, but I'd been eyeballing the then-new Doctor Who minis so I made a point of dropping by Warlord (with an empty carry-on suitcase to cram all my lot into.) And then I spent about two hours sitting around in the train station because changing the time on my return ticket would've cost more than the original fare!
Anyway, I really like Warlord's stuff so it was fun to hear from the folks who make it.
Just wanted to say that after listening to this episode I bought two copies of their book taking miniatures for myself and another friend, thanks for bringing them on the show!
That bookset is going to #1 on my Christmas list, this year =D
I like that you tried to censor every time Robin swears but still some "fuckin" and "shit" made it through. 😂
"Some day when the order came in on a Monday, they posted it on a Saturday, they would get it on a Tuesday. Nowadays people wouldn't find that amazing."
Nowadays here I am in Germany, placing an order at my local Warhammer Store and I consider myself extremely lucky if it arrives the following week, no matter which day of the week I placed the order :(
I realize that a lot of this is out of GW's hands. International shipping, customs and so on. But when I preorder something from a new release from an independent retailer and get it the day BEFORE it is supposed to be released while I preorder a model from the same new release at a Warhammer store and I won't get it until 6 days AFTER it got released something just isn't going right.
Anyway, great show. Was great fun to hear all those stories.
I absolutely love my talking miniatures book, just gutted I procrastinated an hour too long and missed out on the extra special limited edition. Wonderful!
Had a few minutes to do a bit of mini painting before I start chores. I'll bung on the boys from Paintjng Phase.. an hour and a half later! Still not done the chores. What a great interview! Talking Miniatures will be a book for my collection. Thanks for sharing the memories, lads. Right, chores it is! 🙄
Haha! At least you can do your chores with a smile on your face 😂
Great episode as always gents.
Great Sidetracks episode as always! the censors of Heresy! Dakka! etc makes me laugh on a celluar level lol
Loved this, both Robin and John are so good to talk to, and Robin definitely makes it easy, just set him off chatting and goes.
Yep, it was great watching him ‘not’ go into the details 😂
I am afraid it’s called being a bit of a gobshite! 😂 But I am old now, so I can get away with it… - Best regards - Robin
@@robindews4108 I think that only counts if you talk b******* 😂, you’re definitely too interesting for that.
Fantastic video, that book was a must buy after listening to this. You guys are awesome for organising these talks!
Funnily enough I was listening to am interview with Rick Priestly today and he said that Brian was actually against boxed games so it wasn’t his idea as was put forward early in the video (unless Rick misremembered I guess!)
What thoroughly interesting and lovely chaps! PG13 episode with Stripper Pat!! :o
It's so nice to see these two. When I was about 13 my brother and I painted an Epic chaos army for John Stallard. I did the Khorne half and my brother the Tzeentch. He was a lovely guy. I'd be curious whether he still has that army.
No it was Bretonians, silly. I have no memory of the Epic stuff.
@@gpm24cam Your memory is bad. The Empire horsemen were for Dave Cross. For John we did an Epic chaos army. You painted a Tzeentch titan that was mostly Amethyst Purple with yellow trim, and you weren't happy with it because the yellow wasn't covering well. I did a Khorne titan and also some juggernauts. I freehanded the Khorne symbols on the juggernaut banners, but they didn't look great so John redid them with transfers :)
No, I remember doing an Epic Eldar titan in Amethyst Purple, but no idea who for. I did Dave a rubbish Empire Pegasus at some point as well as Kislev horsemen. But we did Bretonians for John Stallard and got paid £60 for it. I remember Dave saying he’d ripped us off and John getting a bit firm and telling us to hurry up and finish them cos we’d put them off for months. I did yellow and purple halberdiers. You did pale grey and purple double-handed swordsman with wibbly swords and floppy hats.
@@gpm24cam Maybe there were three armies: two for John and one for Dave.
So much child labour.
Dark Future should have worked at the time because Car Wars was really popular and that used card counters rather than toy cars, on top of the that the whole Mad Max post-apocalyptic style films were numerous and had a big following for what were essentially B-movies.
Some fantastic stories. I would love a copy of that book.
I’ve been around the hobby since around ‘93. GW miniatures are undoubtably improved. The hobby has really grown and much has improved since then but my favorite memories are when I first got into the hobby. I had a high elf army. All the mono pose models have their own charm. I actually started with necromunda and be and a friend has so much fun playing that game.
Wow, I loved battle of the little bighorn as a child. Memories.
Being an old Grognard of 65, I saw this two volume set at SELWG last Sunday and thought , that looks interesting, so bought them. Started reading Vol 1 and yet to be disappointed. Thank you John and Robin!
PS, I still have all the WD issues which cover that period Robin, and some! 👍😉🍻
Hiya Bugsy58, thanks for commenting. We are all old Grognards now! 😂 that was one our main motivations for doing the book, to try and get it down before we all before too decrepit to remember it! Glad to hear that you still have those old WD’s in your collection and that you are enjoying Talking Miniatures. Best regards - Robin
I remember in the very early 90s getting my mum to photocopy the mail order form from the catalogue, so that i could order my dwarf minis. Good times!
Great interview boys .. on the range of miniatures to do for John - Babylon 5 28mm - 😃👍
What a great show !
Two of my childhood and teen years hero's. I will be definitely buying this book.
Great episode…
I loved dark future. I got it for Christmas and I kept dropping hints going past my mother saying does my future look dark? Thanks for the memories and thanks for everything.
its great hearing from the old guard of GW, during the time of the business growing and how they became the trailblazers for the entire miniature hobby
I've watched to many of these, I stubbed my toe the other day and instead of swearing I shouted out "HERETIC!"
Hahaha! That’s going in the next episode we film lol!
Yes sorry folks, I can be a bit of a potty mouth when I get excited…and I find talking about the book and this time period VERY exciting 😂 - Robin
Ive got my skullz book still as well! found it the other day whilst having a clear out in the loft (inside my old 4th edition box set)
I thought my idea for a motor torpedo boat game was new! Great minds 😁
I’ve just finished volume 1, excellent read so far. Would love to read Bryan and Diane’s recollections at some point, as well as Tom Kirby. BTW Robin your era of White Dwarf was absolutely brilliant, used to love getting every issue, battle reports were amazing. I still have them all.
Ha ha ha!! That was not smooth Patrick, but nice try! This show with John and Robin was great! Keep up the excellent job and guests!
Another fantastic interview, it's "fascinating" (😉) hearing about what was going on at GW while I was a kid in the late 80's / early 90's!
I'm a big fan of Warlord Games too.
Peachy, have you ever played Flintlock? (Fantasy themed Napolionic game, very tongue in cheek with orcs for the British, French elves, and so on)
I haven’t played flintlock but remember seeing it when I was younger, very cool. Oh and a lovely member of our Patreon sent me some orc rifles 😘👌
This was a nice chat! I look forward to buy the books, more than "dice men"! About " strangers from the hobby" hired into gw. I used to work for GW Italy years ago as sales assistant, store manager and various other roles during games day ( translator for William King and Mark Bedford, were my favourite roles, but also the Dreadfleet demo table). After i quit, they tried to boost sales by hiring store managers from other "worlds" but it didn't work. The best one was a guy who didn't have a clue of what the miniatures were, and displayed a full privateers press legion of everblight army as tyranids for a whole month in the store! 😂
Hahaha! Oh wow, I wonder how that store did for sales 🤦♂️😂
Another great episode. It would be amazing to hear from Paul Sawyer. His time at White Dwarf, including armies blogs and "Tales of X Gamers" (especially the beastmen) were my childhood.
oh is that a new studio space there? will defo watch this thing later!
I’m afraid not, we borrowed one of warlord games meeting rooms, they’re awfully kind like that 😍👍
this was amazing 😂 its my birthday in a couple weeks i'll be putting the book down on the list!
Happy Birthday Mike and I really hope that you love the book. For John and I, it was a five-year labour of love to research and write ‘Talking Miniatures’. It was he book that WE wanted to read about this time period. Now that it is out there, I just love the fact that other fans and hobbyists are enjoying it too!
@@robindews4108 thank you so much I can’t wait :)
Jason Statham look out, Peachy with stubble is coming for your "most handsome bald man" title
😘😘😘 I’m blushing now
1. Like y'alls interview with Trish, this episode is a treasure.
2. Go to Bugman's? I assume it's a pub. Is this where Bugman's glow gets its name? What came first? Did the name come from Workshop, or from the pub?
Bugman's is the pub at Warhammer World. Bugman is the Dwarven Brewer of The Old World. The lore/character came in second edition afaik, so the pub is named for the lore, rather than the lore coming from something real.
@mikewicked.x thank you!
I remember when i started with the battle games in middle earth oartwork about 20 years ago, one of my first terrain pieces was brillo pad hedges on their reccomendation 😂
Haha! Amazing! Best hedges ever!
John Stallard is a solid legendary hero in my book and I don't care who knows it!
🤓 ... ... Simon
Haggis is a main meal food, eaten with mashed potatoes and mashed swede (turnips). However it can also be had alongside a full scottish cooked breakfast. Also good with mozzarella on a panini!
I know what l want for Christmas 😊
I don’t play Warhammer, I don’t even paint miniatures (yet, but hopefully this christmas) but I REALLY want that book, it’s on my xmas list for sure - gotta love the 80s and 90s «corporate culture», coming from the Commodore 64-culture myself, getting my monthly british gaming mags was the highlight each month for several years, and those magazines was probably run in a as crazy way as games workshop from the stories ai’ve heard through the years :)
They’re great books, well worth it
History is my major . This is the stuff l love. Oral history that would be gone, if it not for you guys. Thanks.
Oh God. ZX Spectrum waiting for Robin Hood or Sabotaur 2 to load from a CASETTE RECORDER for 45 -60 min. Good times
OMG!!! I remember that Robin Hood game 🤯 thank you for that lovely nostalgic hit ❤️ - peachy
Will this be available as an ebook? An excellent conversation, I will look for this.
RE: the discussion about live grenades, there was an incident in WWII when two GIs stationed in a coastal fort rolled Civil War cannonballs into a fireplace and they went off. The headlines read: "Rebel shell kills two Yankees eighty years after being fired."
Bahahaha! Dews and Stallard! Worked with both of them in the US Studio. Robin is talking about paste up re: US White Dwarf. The good ol days.
Hiya judgecohen, yes paste-up! That’s when you knew you’d put a publication together. You could smell the cow-gum and petrol for days! 😂
Not a gun nut, but my guess as to why the BAR is so expensive is because Americans love their collectible world war II firearms and they absolutely adore working firearms. Working Bar is much more valuable as a collector's item than a non-functional bren is as army surplus. Cause one is "USA USA USA" and the other is not associated with jingoistic fervor. Just a guess
I bought the Eldar army from the battle report in issue 171, was against orks I think? In the days when the army from the report could be mail ordered think it was £50 and was a xmas present, I remember ringing up as a squeaky voiced 12 year old ordering it, then the mail order assistant confirming the cars details with an ‘adult’ 🤣.
This was f#cking glorious
😍😍😍 cheers
classic ending with some cheddar
2:31 I think geff (Jeff) (my dad is a Geff so im sensitive to spelling) is the most stylish cause i buy all my plaid shirts from the same supermarket as him. Gods bless Mr S 😊
Looks like Amazon US is sold out of the Talking Miniatures book. Will watch for the stock to return.
Talking about mail order: my copy of 40K 9th Edition turned up, and all the books were in French.
I'm in Liverpool.
Phoned up Mail Order and they apologised profusely, said they'd send me another box set.
Excellent.
Didn't turn up.
I phoned again about a week later "er... we don't have any available, it's going to be another couple of weeks"
A couple of weeks later they sent me... just the books. Note in the package "good news, we managed to source replacement books for you"
THAT'S NOT GOOD NEWS!
Another box set would have been good news!
I still wonder if they went on Ebay for the books...
No offense, but you sound like a selfish git here. Did you have to return the French Boxed set at all? Or books? From the sounds of it no. Many companies would have insisted on that. Additionally, did it occur to you that maybe a member of the staff at the warehouse/Mail Order/a friend of theirs had an extra copy and they kindly donated the books to the cause so you could play the game sooner rather than later?