Lap Time Battle! Stark Varg VS Yamaha YZ450F HONEST Comparison...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Had the chance to do a back-to-back comparison between the Stark Varg and 2024 Yamaha YZ450F on a freshly prepped CGI Facility outdoor track! Both bikes have their own pros and cons, however, I was definitely more comfortable on one bike over the other...what would you guys prefer to ride?
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Which bike would you prefer? Stark Varg or 2024 Yamaha YZ450F?
It really depends on where and what I’m riding but I would depend on a yz 450
Varg all day. Can take it anywhere and tune it to the conditions. Thanks for the uploads man, hope to rip one day with you.
I went pro 2 years ago and have been riding yam 450s for almost 3 years. Got the stark in January and think it’s an awesome bike. Your whips are crazy
yamaha all day
STARK VARG FOR SURE 😊
Electric bike just sounds gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
😂😂 the sound is lacking I will give you that
Did you see if you were any quicker with 80hp mode on the Varg? It looked like the 450 had more power cause you were landing further down on the bigger jumps
Great to see finally someone really sending it on a Varg!
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he only used 56 out of 80 hp
@@Aluminuim1280hp would just have zero traction anywhere on a motocross track, there would be very little to no loss using the 56hp
yeah ik traction but get this its this new thing called be light with the throttle and before you say well its 80 hp no matter what you do you lose traction
the god damn torque mode is changable@@thegreatseprano9918
@@thegreatseprano9918that's nonsense, the traction would be the same regardless of the hp.
You will lap this bike faster in the 80hp mode then 56, it's not rocket science... 😂😂😂😂😂
I think the electric bikes are interesting. However, it is a whole lot easier to fill a gas tank in the middle of a 100+ mile day on the trails with my friends.
There isn't a single bike that does well in all applications. That's why there are lots of choices.
@kurtheidelbach I'm not knocking the Stark. I'm just making a statement about the lack of range. I wish the Stark had the capability of doing 100 miles in a day without having to stop to recharge for hours or needing a support vehicle to carry spare batteries. If a spare was an option.
@@pyrostwistedride4821 Yeah, understand. I have multiple bikes just because they all fit a different purpose.
@@pyrostwistedride4821 It will come soon. So much focus on making better batteries right now. Some really interesting tech happening in this segment.
I bet the e-bike will be faster after some time on it. Years on gas bikes and a dialed in personalized 450 vs. days or weeks at most on a stock e-bike and the times are relatively very close. It would be interesting to repeat this after more time on the e-bike. And if not racing, the fun factor is most important!
Agreed! Once I have the correct suspension on both bikes, I think I’ll be repeating this video.
No judgement 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@NickTomasunas repeat it with the varg in 80hp mode
I was waiting for the lap times. ??
@4:09 and @8:14, 450 was just under a second faster.
@@waltervanrooyen6169 That's only at 45hp, full hp is 80hp.
try testing both bikes at full potential. I think the Varg will be better because it has more power, try putting it at 80 then compare.
how bout ditch the fkn stark and buy a modified two stroke lol for the fans
The Stark at 80HP would blow a 450 out of the water! 😆 definitely would trump the YZ without a doubt
It's not about the power, they can get way more power out of a 450 but that too is already too much.
You wanna be able to ride the bike.
Unless you're doing a hill climb
Remember mate, rideabilty plays a big part in being a fast rider, if you can’t ride the bike. Then your lap times definitely won’t improve
@@NickTomasunason bottem end power the stark will beat a 450 , but 450 will do more of a top speed than the stark varg my friends stark does 81mph max , my Wr250 does 92mph ? Some 450s have been recorded to do 120mph , a 450 and some 250s would dust a stark on top end
What was the 450 lap time? Which was faster?
lap times?
135.15 and 136 flat
Yamaha YZ450F is better obviously
Might be faster but sounds horrible, the lack of gear shift and clutch gives it an obvious advantage. Half the fun on bikes is popping clutches the smell and the sound that’s a whole dimension the varg can’t touch. Maybe I’m just old school.
Sounds worse on camera, it actually sounds really cool irl! Half the fun was popping clutches but having tons of power is way more fun. I guess you're just old school, i'll probably never get a gas bike again lol
What is with the "clutch" lever on the Stark? Is it just for your muscle memory and somewhere to put your finger? There no cable coming out of it?
It's the rear brake.
No clutch, no fun.
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"havent been able to do any whips yet"
lmfao ok bro you havent whipped the varg yet...
Haha I wouldn’t consider those “whips” as it’s a different movement than an actually supercross whip - which is what I was referring to. Will have jump suspension on it soon so we can give those a go!
Nice comparison but as we can see, the 450 can do everything the stark can just as easily. you don't need insane torque or anything when its a 450 vs electric. I swear yall electric riders need to stop trying to force it onto us, they can coexist. some people like what they like. I like the sound and the feeling of gas. I have done a couple 2-3 hour desert rides where the varg would have died. It wouldn't work for me and also for some other people. Just let us enjoy our gas bikes without all this "its the future" or "its better because instant torque" like if you don't want to have to try at all then use a stark. It just is not for me.
I feel sorry for all you who are into e-. Ever seen the movie on any Sunday, do you know what a muscle car is? I know electric is inevitable. But it’s no fun. Ever watch Formula E?
The varg turned a lot smoother than the yz but you jumped way farther on the yz on some of the jumps
I would say that’s only due to the extremely soft suspension on the Varg. Wasn’t super comfortable jumping heavy with the current set up! Good catch 🙌
@@NickTomasunas yeah i get that
This ain't apples to apples. You let the 450 have all it had, but you limited the varg. In my mind it needs the extra HP to make up for not having a clutch to rip. Let them both rip to to what ever your max is and do it again. This is like me boxing Mike Tyson but all he can do is jab. It doesn't show what's better or faster, but I did like your feedback on it. The breakdown about the scrub ability etc
I feel the Varg is almost unfair if I put it above 55-60HP as the torque it has makes up for a lot. I will say, I do need to re-do this once I have the correct suspension on both as the softer suspension on the Varg makes charging anything more difficult and risky.
@@NickTomasunas if it slaughters the 450 so be it. They are both meant to be the apex predators of the mx world. Who knows, at a higher HP you might spin the tire enough it will slow you down, or cause you to over rotate turns a little and cost time etc. I'd get limiting the bike against a 250f, but these are the big Dawgs, let them biotches bark!
See, it doesn't matter about the power being better, the problem with electric will always be the weight. Bad things will happen to whatever rider tries using that in motocross for real
Where is the laptime comparision? Im confused.
That thumbnail hits hard 👊👊
Bikes look identical!
@@NickTomasunas exactly!
@@NickTomasunas Great comparision. One question 7 months ago on one of the first Stark videos u said that for somebody with your skill riding with equivalent of 450 power battery can last 25 moto minutes. After riding long time on Stark now what u think? I have seen people claiming 50 hp riding for 50 moto minutes on mx track. thx
I love your Stark videos. Please keep them coming!
Hi Nir, try to do laser hair removal only in the neck area and it will help you, send me the stark varg with your signature so that I can ride a motorcycle for the first time thanks to you
STRAK VARG BEST TIME "1:36.02"
YZF450 BEST TIME "1:35.15"
Which bike was faster ? The Varg looked faster.
you are faster on the varg and it's not just the suspension, something i've noticed watching people on the varg, while the varg is physically heavier then a typical 450 for whatever reason it seems to ride lighter and can be thrown around more like a 125, i've noticed that with every one i've watch ride the varg. since yours was all fpv footage one thing i did notice watching you is the varg was easier to change direction and that might be why it feels lighter to ride...just some observations....
I seen a few of these comparison videos, where they’re only testing fastest lab versus fastest lab, and the fast labs are roughly the same. I think the secret sauce with the Varg is in the fatigue, factor or lack of fatigue on the bike, and overtime you’ll turn consistently faster laps
is the clutch lever on the stark a comfort thing?
it's for the rear break. you can order it with a handlebar lever or a foot break pedal.
actually, your right, there are no wires, lol
nick
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THE MOST EXITING VIDEO IVE EVER WATCH
What does bros gear look like after a race 🥲🥲🥲🥲
who thinks this dude is just axell but on a yz
Sure was faster on the Varg . No clutch and no shifting less to worry. Stark Varg for me is the future. I wish we had it younger so many track got close cause of the noise pollution. Not that i dont like gaz dirtbike sound but i rather keep the track open. let see some more video try full 80 HP on the Varg
450!!!!!
What’s the Dirt bike brand
Ive been riding electric 4 yrs - way more fun and easier to ride - and I like the quiet ride anywhere
I will agree, it is definitely a lot easier! Opens up a lot of possibilities for the sport as well.
Bmx bikes made 0 noise the fact that people were having fun enraged people enough to demand track closures bmx was also affordable for almost everyone yet it's still dead
@@philkuhn4073 Interesting
that was a sick whip man!!!
2 stroke is best
Apple v Orange 80hp
The Stark 100%.
They both look fast to me. The Varg does seem more nimble. Not gonna lie I kinda like the sound of the 450 better even as an electric motorcycle rider. I'm not a good motocross rider for me an electric bike is easier on a MX track because I don't have to mess around with the gears, the bike is always in the right gear.
The Varg is for sure more nimble and easier to ride. 450 does have the motocross sound and feel to it though, which is irreplaceable.
I've ridden both and I love them both for different reasons, only thing that is the major let down is the price of the stark
I am excited about the varg i would love to have one in the woods. Even if though range anxiety would be real.
@user-cy1wg2pt7q thanks a good point. I do race harescrambles though so it would be amazing if it had a hot swappable battery.
With the right setting I think you’d be able to get a lot more out of it than you think! I know range is something they are working to increase in the future.
@@NickTomasunas I for don't need more power on the trails. I am sure it would last a lot longer in technical stuff. I bet with taddy doing hard Enduro on it, they are thinking about the idea of battery swaps. Some of the races I do are 6 hour ironman races. Buying a few extra batteries and sending it for 6 hours would be awesome!
Lack of a clutch ruins it for me
Bro I can’t afford a varg, but I can get a 450 for $2500
tomasunas where are you from?
lithuania?
How’s the varg brake tap? Did you even use it lol⚡️
drilling into your own hand with a steel drill bit > varg
More snowcross! Pls
it looks like your movin faster on the stark
Hi
I was impressed by how easily you switched between the rear handbrake on the electric bike and the footbrake on the four stroke. Having raced BMX, I could be perfectly comfortable with the handbrake, but switching back-and-forth like that on a motocross bike, would probably cause me to miss a step or two. Along the same lines, you must have super strong fingers to only use one finger brake front and back. I kept focusing to see if I could even notice you moving the lever, but the closest I could see was the finger actually just being on the lever. Obscure observation I guess. I got a little nervous on the step up double that turned into a 90° or more left at the top of the hill. I felt like there wasn’t gonna be enough run out, and I kept trying to look down at your hands, frantically squeezing the brake handles as my amateur ass would do.
There seem to be a lot of flat, almost off, camber turns, and the stark Varg is supposed to excel at traction in corners and coming out of corners. I wonder if you noticed anything different, particularly in those rutless, flat rolling turns.
Lul. Just realized it was false clutch for feel. 😅
Love the fake clutch lever! LOL
I recently hand the honor of listening to the sound of green energy in the form of a large gas generator running for about 6 hours in the pits apparently generators for these bikes cannot be placed in front of the vehicle using it .They only charge in a location whare everyone can see it
Imagine supercross went all electric🥲
Been to plenty of all electric races and never thought twice about it. I was actually focused on the racing. What a concept.
@Renan Fiorini
Best review so far, for a 12ft landing to flat, is there much difference between a 220lb 450 and a 250lb ebike? I wanna go electric but am worried about the 30+ lbs weight. I‘m so confused pls help😂
To be fair, the 450s are at 240lbs, which makes it a 10 lb difference. 10 lbs is still a good difference though. The Varg feels lighter than my 19 YZ450f when you ride it due to the lack of inertia from the internal (lack thereof) components. You feel it on the stand but when out riding it's fantastic
y an all white fit?
Bluetooth clutch lever
Where is the 2-stroke
How long does the charge last ?
I’m sorry does that Stark have a shift lever on it? 🤔
No. He’s using the optional rear break on the handlebars….like on a BMX bike.
I am all for the stark
No noise for me
Love the fake clutch lever on the Varg lol Really cool video, track looks super fun too 👊🏻
issa handbtake not a fake clutch
nvm
Madre mía como va la eléctrica, y menudo ritmo llevas eres un superclase... Podrías compartir los mejores tiempos ?
estan en el video con la 450 hizo 1:35 y con la electrica 1:36
Nice riding, future is electric
Sure buddy 😂
Bro question about your mapping do you keep it stock on the yz ? Or have you made a map?
I’ve kept it stock on this bike. I used the Travis Preston map when I was racing though.
@@NickTomasunas thanks dude been putting mine on the smooth linear for the woods
Still waiting for my suspension to be done so I can ride track ! I’ll prob switch it to stock like I had on my 21 model stock was good for track imo
@@adamrochester1I've been running smooth linear on the track. Hard hitting is to much for me
Hands on the levers a lot less on the Varg!
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“I felt like I’m a lot more calm riding this [the Stark].” I rode a Stark for the first time a couple weeks ago and felt exactly the same. The quiet seemed to reduce my brain’s fight or flight response
Someone told me to wear earplugs when riding for this reason. I'm curious to test it out
@@trickynic3866 I really should try that!
Anyone else notice how he’s got a clutch perch mounted on the stark. I’m assuming for the feel.
Brake no need for a clutch
When you buy the varg its optional to get back brake at the foot like normal or on your bar. Theoretically its better to have it on your bar because you have better control and your foot doesn't need to be on the peg to use the brake, like when you make a right turn with your leg out.
You’re correct! I didn’t want to pick up a bad habit of “death grip”, so we mounted a fake perch + lever.
Anyone else see the gas line dangling around😂 the whole moto
And also there a trail be side the dragon backs follow that and there a nice river when I was racing there after the moto I sent swimming it’s so nice
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯@@JaxyFV.
@renan fiorini
🚀⚡💪🔝
This is just the beginning for electric motorcycles. It can be developed a lot in the next period.😊
🙌🏻
Impressive skills
Thank you! 🤝
Nice gear lever 🤣🔥
Haha glad someone noticed!
I will spare the math since it takes forever to explain but I do not trust a single thing about ev bikes and il explain why in very simple terms. contrary to popular belief bldc and brushless motors do not make flat power at all. they have very steep power curve up to around the 40 percent rpm mark due to esc artificially controlled torque/current limit. this is becasue high current causes extreme heat and the motor would be damaged by any more current than this set limit, this limit is usually for the first 30ish percent rpm. very shortly after the back emf creates resistance great enough to bring the curretn draw below the set limit is where the peak power occurs, then from there the power slowely curves down which is where the power is very flat power everyone tlakes about is, from that 40 ish percent to 100 percent of the rev range the power drops very little and is very flat, but prior to that it is at a 45 degree incline and thus makes essentially zero power at low rpms. the stark is a single gear drive so at speeds lower than 10ish kmh it should be so gutless that it owuld require pushing it to get it moving anywhere, that is obviously not the case, what stark did is intentionally overdraw from the batteries by a factor of roughly 10x to create enough power down low to pull the front tire up into the air this destroys the batteries, esc, and motor while having an efficiency of less than 5 percent at best. not only that but even at the absolut best operating rpm and conditions the batteries (200 samsung 50s 21700 cells) have a mthematical limit of 50 hp bursts, this bike obviously overdraws from by a decent amount and at low rpms overdraws by unreal amounts to create the power that this bike does. this bike on dynos and mathematically only has around 60 hp peak, maybe a bit more. it only feels (and is) fast because it doesnt need to shift, has a much flatter power output so your average power output is greater than an equal poiwer gas bike, and the biggest factor is a lack of engine noise. you dont realize how easy it is to expect a certain power output from a gas bike but you can tell almost exactly how much power the bike will put down and when because of your throttle input and the engine sound. the ev bike doesnt do that so when it pulls the nose up and it wasnt expected you fell like its was just insane power but in reality a gas bike could have done the same thing but you knew it would due ot sound so you didnt let it rise. stark blatantly lies about 80 hp output and gets away with it since very few people have the knowledge and experience to call them out and the bike genuinely is quick and feels even quicker. overall the bikes math doesnt add up and stark lies a shit ton so i dont trust them at all. As an electrical hobbyist with TONS of experience with ev tech such as manyt different types of brushless motors, batteries, and esc's i just dont trust this bikes since the math doesnt even come close to adding up. ev bikes if made right would honestly not be much slower than a gas bike and could be used right. mid to high speed mx with tons of wair speed for cooling battery packs and the right speeds to avoid excess current draw would allow ev single speed bikes to be awesome. they would be super reliable and not much slower than a gas bike. for trail riding you must have a transmission for the power characteristics I mentioned above. you would probabl not need a clutch, just synchro's could work, a clutch on an ev would be under greater torque and under greater strain compared to gas anyways but a simple 3 or 4 speed transmission for an ev bike would be awesome because then you can design the bike to never overdraw from the batteries by large factors by properly limiting torque to a max at low rpm's and you would have far more power down low than a stark does even when the stork does overdraw. overall I just dont trust the stark, its math doesnt add up but as an enthusiast in gas and Ev and with good experience with both I hope to see e bikes with transmission and good engineering in the future. they would perform well and be reliable, unlike the stark.
Ok hater!!! It feels fast so who cares about how it gets it done!
Stopped reading essay at "you dont have to shift" the bike has 3 gears. You dont know what you are talking about.
@@dmag1234 what? the stark varg has no transmission, just a gearbox, you cannot shift a stark varg. and even if you are talking about the yzf then that thing has 6 gears. not a single full size bike since like the 70s has ever been produced with less than 4 gears. this is ultra basic knowledge. you have not even the slightest clue about bikes.
@@spidartanks if that's the case then I could fat turbo my gas bikes and absolutely demolish any of your ev's in any race under any circumstances with 100+hp (streetsweeper got his yzf450 to hit above 100hp and ran it a lot!) but ofc that would mean my bike would be terribly unreliable, inconsistent, and it would never be a practical machine. well thats exactly what the stark is, severely overpowering components to achieve competitive power. dont you find it strange how all other ev bikes are like 15-30hp max? well i don't because those ones are built to power their components at their ratings, not 3x higher than their ratings. if you put the stark vs a turbo or boosted gas bike it would lose every time, if you took a ktm exc freeide e bike (made so for reliability and proper ratings) vs a gas bike it would also be terrible. the logic of "who cares how the power is made" justifies daily driving an f1 car...
@@garbageman3992i love a good Word Salad
Yo you know what you should do for a vid idea, could you do like a GoPro settings tutorial cause your footage looks so good.
Is there any like 250f version of the stark Varg? Whit both weight and power comparable whit a 250f?
You can adjust it to be the same power as a 250F!
I think they're all the same weight
@@micahhook3576 OK yea I kind of suspected that. I guess for us half bad riders that really can't handle a 450, it might feel a little heavy but the power character maybe compensate for that.
@@NickTomasunas I guess the character also is adjustable for different riders.
And I just have to say, your speed sir! On the gopro it's so damn fast it looked like when we played Mtx mototrax on x-box back in the days, I said it looked unreal because it was so fast but you really ride that fast. It's fun watching your big whips also, and your positive attitude makes people wanna go out and ride. Well done sir!
@@MrJokkoma thats a good point about the crazy hp helping the weight
Is that a fake clutch lever on the Varg? Always wondered how weird it would feel with nothing there
rear brake
@@OtisFlintThers no hose coming from it though
Correct! It doesn’t move, strictly for feel & habit.
Excellent video Nick.