Not even you feeling it (which you might not). They blame you the moment their evil deed is completed. The justification and projection takes place in their mind before you engage in anything. They cannot own their 'dark side' because they are 'a good person and everyone likes them' (shame + the false Self) in their mind. They have to make you carry the rucksack (burden) filled with their evil action + shame and they LIE and say that it belongs to you (blame) and they disconnect from their true selves and convince themselves that what they're saying is truth. If you attempt to rationally present 'the real TRUTH' and attempt to make them own their stuff (accountable), they will run for the hills (silent treatment, ghost/discard you immediately), have their adult tantrum and punish you for exposing them, at the same time.
My mother is a narcissist is been hell I didn't realise how serious the situation was she still to hunt me down I left her 11 years she was going to send my brothers to beat me up I am the same page ..you never are free of these people
Yes. They don't care about anyone or anything if it doesn't affect them. They are #1 always. No empathy or compassion. Honestly, I can see the evil, Satan around him. I've even felt it at times . He has a type of way of reading your mind or feelings without even seeing or speaking to you. It's been months since I've talked to mine. My ex . It's strange how he would say something to me. That I had just discussed with my neighbor. Friends many years. When he called once and said something about whatever it was. She and I had just talked of that the night before. He used to ask me about her. So I'd say . If you want to talk to her. I'll see if and wants to talk to you. Of course, oh no. Then why ask. I decided they were in cahoots together. So. I cut both out. Both lie. They're actually too much alike. He's sneaky too. But she stalks. So. I'm done being a friend. She was hurt I know. But there's no way he can know what we had talked about the night before. No way. I'm not crazy. He must think I'm stupid. The old me would've played them. But, I just don't need or have time for the B S.
@@jill3686 sounds teriblle, people like this will go to any extent, they will listen to your conversations (phisically or put divices), yes they will do anything. Sometimes its the devil itself, I was praying in my heart to show me what to do after a fight, and then he would come running back and love bombing. Thats why i got stuck, i asumed god wants us to work it out. But truth is, he wanted to teach me to listen to my intuition no matter whats happening in the outside. When we real with ourselvs like brutaly honestly real, no one can lie or manipulate us. We are divine force we need to be smart and watchout.
@@ismush8 you can't help them. 1. They're happy and comfortable the way they are 2. They don't want to change. 3. Cause it's never them. They're perfect. You or somebody else is always at fault.
@@jill3686 yep.. they are catalists for the colective awakening. Once the majority will awaken and change for the better, they will have no choice but to repend
@@jill3686I've had several narcs say things to me, that I was thinking about them! I believe demons/spirits feed them this info. Because it is eeery and creepy af!!
My ex was diagnosed with NPD and BPD. Was married for 25 yrs and then walked out on family and took everything away. Left son and I on street. Now he wants to be friends. 😂 Umm.. NO.
My ex narcopath was the same. Married 26 years with 3 children and discovered he’d stolen all the family’s funds, took out loans in my name, kids outside the marriage popping up like popcorn, took the family car during the divorce, was insidious, evil and wicked with a litany of misdeeds trailing behind him. He took the Child Support Agency to court stating I earned enough to take care of the children myself. His hearing got thrown out, of course! Thanks to God. Had the nerve to reach out via a lawyer mediator a year after the divorce asking to mediate. Ehm! Nooooooooo! Utter madness.🤯
@@bridget9432i disovered the same, lies and have taken all the money, all along , plus my smal saving, waiting till the end. With me very sick with lupus..now I am healing, keeping him very away from me. Cero fontact
I divorced my kids dad over 20 yrs ago. He abandoned me pregnant with our 3 kids. He showed back up about 10 yrs later. He is now married to who was my ex best friend & boss. Now I'm completely alienated from our kids. Its crazy. 20 yrs ago there was no information about narcissist. Be so careful who you have kids with. I would have never dreamed this would be life. My kids have been my whole life
An Psychologist recommended couples to wait 2 years, before they get kids together, so they can find out if they likes each others enough to keep together ‼️
my ex husband was Mr Wonderful, until one night, a issue came up with one of my sons defying me... i said a curse word which triggered him to be physically aggression towards me. After that attacked I never saw the man I thought I knew for 19 years. He began to bully me & trained my 3 high school age sons to bully and devalue me. this is called parent alienation. He was trying to punish me for what came out of him that night by taking my kids away from me in right infront of me. he took my authority away as a parent and undermined me to my children. any concerns I brought up to him with our sons misbehavior, he would tell them "your mom said this about you" and stir their emotions against me and they would gang up on me. it was completely insane and EVIL from the pit of hell. my youngest son will not speak to me at all. my heart us broken. It took me almost dying from leukemia for my sons to realize they only have one mom. They are all in there mid to late 20's. their dad has remarried & moved away from his children to tend to new family... I never ever imagined our beautiful family becoming completely dismantled and traumatized from this sick mental deranged man. its heartbreaking for me to watch my adult sons struggle from the ramifications.
A narcissist’s “defence” mechanism develops over time as a way to shield themselves from their own often incredibly deep insecurities. This shield the have developed blocks and locks in their ability to recognise their own actions as possibly causing any harm to others, because that understanding is either completely lacking as it was never taught, or more likely buried as a form of protection, thus making it almost impossible for the narcissist to have true empathy or often even seem to have any awareness of other people’s experiences and/or how they might feel. This is why narcissists cannot hold themselves accountable and it’s how these people are able to sleep at night when they behave in ways that leave you wondering how on Earth are they not insomniacs.
They don't want to admit they have a problem They are petrified to admit something is wrong! They would rather continue doing what they are doing because of all the bad they have already done!
It's really sad. I tried so hard to get the narcissist in my life to see what he was doing and how it was affecting his life. Sometimes it seemed like he was starting to understand but eventually he still ended up blaming others for all his problems. He just couldn't take any accountability. He ended up hating cops, lawyers, judges, all his exes...he blamed them all for ruining his life, even though it was his actions that caused him to go to prison time after time. In the end, he was filled with so much hate, he couldn't get any supply, he chased everyone away. He started doing really bad drugs and eventually was killed by the cops after coming at them with a knife.
My ex calls me a narcissist. I understand why she would think that but I think I'm just so selfish from living in jails and prisons for so long and in the drug world. It's cut throat in this life and I have to become a wolf or be ate by the wolves
Very True. How can they HEAL when they don’t feel any REMORSE? How can they feel REMORSE when they live in perpetual DENIAL about their actions and the consequences of their actions? They are, therefore, UNredeemable.
He may not care to change it or be able too....but he will sit there and attempt to dissect the situation to get a greater understanding of what is going on and how it's affecting their life.
Did you grow up wt a Narcissistic mother ❓‼️Ppl who grew up wt a Narcissistic mother, goes straight into the arms of a Narcissist several times, that's the energy they knows ‼️💎 Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
I feel like I'm healing, overcoming toxic behaviour, but whenever I feel I'm getting better I get worried that I'm going back to my toxic ways, so I can never truly relax. I'm self-aware, not diagnosed, but can see that my way of relating was as a covert narcissist. I certainly don't want to be one. But I realise it could take years to truly change. I have to watch myself constantly.
@@jadegreen1554I don't meet the criteria for BPD, though I'm more strongly aligned with narcissism. It was a diagnosed narcissist who identified it in me. And when I researched it, I realised he was right. Apparently we lack gray matter in the area of our brain responsible for affective empathy. I want to connect with people on the emotional level but I can't, there's a disconnect. I do my best but I have to force it. I can understand their emotions but I cannot connect with them, except when watching movies where for some reason I can emotionally connect with the character.
@@sneha.capri_46789 I speak as one with a log in his eye, so take what I say with caution. I believe that having the courage to be our authentic selves; not cowering to our own perceived social expectations from others, is a worthy process to continually grow in.
I agree that healing is virtually impossible (but not absolutely impossible). I’ve had three clients who made enough progress that they no longer demonstrated cluster B symptoms. All three were remanded (one legal and two from an organization) and it was very painful for all of them, but today thy are much more functional and their marriages are truly happy…
Through DBT & many years of therapy I was able to overcome my borderline personality disorder. I am so grateful to the therapeutic professionals that helped me to become a healthy & happy person!!!
I have BPD...I was in therapy on and off for years...more than willing and motivated to see my blind spots...not ALL BPD are just cruel and not able to get better. I've come a LONG LONG WAY but still have a ways to go. :/
I have BPD too and one thing we have which is very important is self reflection and insight. With enough work in DBT we can eliminate our symptoms, enough to be recovered. I believe in you, you can do it!!!
I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was going through my divorce from a narcissistic man…I know I’m not bipolar because well…15 years after my divorce and I’m a hell of a lot more in control of my emotions then all these so called healthy stable people around me are….yet they’re the ones telling me that I’m the problem…when I’m not even around them ever…I hear it through the grape vine though what they’re saying about me…I suffer with cptsd….dissociation from the past trauma and I’ve been able to identify the root of a lot of my issues that came about over the years….how would anyone react if they were with a family member out and about when suddenly someone comes up to u and starts chewing u out for being such a bad person and hard on ur family…get accused of being a meth head and out of control….a thief…and so on….out of the blue….and then starts talking so kindly to ur poor abused family member ur with….? When u don’t do any of what u have just been accused of and don’t understand where this is coming from! Becoming defensive or confused would be expected right? Who is saying this stuff about u? U would never suspect it was the family member u were with ….yeah….thry set their victims up for this…and this sort of diagnosis….its bs and it’s shameful that professionals who deal with personality “disorders” on a daily arent able to realize this by the first year of being a therapist….its more damaging and just more evidence that this system is set up to be a tool used to abuse hood hearted people even worse..,
Many people diagnosed with borderline personality disorder actually CPTSD and abandonment issue. I am so tired of experts making us out to be bad. We have empathy. We can self reflect and we can get better.
Im borderline And im well aware of how I hurt others with my responses that are ridiculous compared to the situation but my initial reactive response 95% shows and two seconds later I'm like sh** that was stupid . My menstrual cycles make it even more difficult to control myself A lot of patterns I'm aware of... But struggle with Is it curable I'd say no But insight and awareness I have an abundance of .... Have always had it ... The ability to change or control my actions thoughts beliefs behaviors is difficult ... Hard to see others are not always going to agree or think like I do or behave as I would ... I have been actively working on myself since 2015 when I had my first child . And I still am working on it on most days ... It's hard with pmdd ... The cyclical biological issue plus bpd is hard ... I often times take more responsibility than I "should " . (Dont like that word my psychologist taught me it usually is un healthy to utilize ) In situations and I am then manipulated when people are aware of this quality Either way . I disagree about insight . Ability to change is a different story
My daughter is diagnosed with BPD and PMDD. You are right, insight and capacity to change behaviours are different things. What has helped her with PMDD is contraception pill Zoely. Her mood is much more stable. She used to be almost predictably very distressed premenstrually to the point of needing to be hospitalized because of suicidal ideation. She has been on it a year now and hasn't had any hospitilazations.
Dr Judy Rosenberg have good videos about Narcissism and Narcissistic mothers, she says Borderline’s are daughters and the Scapegoat of Narcissistic mothers, they are destroyed and fragmented inside ‼️Dr Ramani has a video about the 4 types of Borderline ‼️Quora Digest has a lot about Narcissism and Borderline ‼️💎Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
@@stavroulaantoniou9898 Dr Judy Rosenberg have good videos about Narcissism and Narcissistic mothers, she says Borderline’s are highest on the statistic's over who's comitt's suiside ‼️Eating disorders are connected to Bpd‼️💎Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
Exactly.. this guy is a black pill. So the narcs on yt are not really narcs. .that help other narcs heal!? Also I have SEEN bpd healing..people with bpd have lots of insight there are levels. And it's not sociopathy or psychopathy. .it's a personality disorder! Bless you.
I have covert narcissistic traits and I understand why suicide is such an issue... I've been scouring the internet for help and it's always shit like this. That there's no hope. How to avoid them and never how to treat. Some people DO want to get better. I want to be a better spouse and have the potential to be a good parent when the time comes.
Look up Heal NPD here on yt, it's a different perspective. I was pissed off too when I wanted to find some self-help resources for covert narcissism and found almost exclusively sites and books for narcissists' victims, especially women.
@@ramji7zs781 No matter how much you meditate,you come out of meditation and a trigger is gonna trigger them again and they will react on impulse like meditation never even happened. It's a waste of time in this situation.
That’s not true. As a self diagnosed narcissist myself. I have been very aware of how my actions and behavior impact other people in my life. I feel guilt and shame when I unconsciously say or behave in a way that makes me see and realise that it may have made someone feel uncomfortable or hurt and i wish I haven’t done that. I wish I wasn’t much like this and i hope i would be able to find treatment out there to heal.. maybe the deep roots of why my personality or lack of.. came about.
They can't deal with the slightest possibility that something they're doing needs to be corrected, unless it involves changing their tactics, because their MO never changes, just their presentation.
Sometimes when they're at deaths door from alcoholism there is enough survival instinct to TRY to live by spiritual principles and take action in recovery.
They see you as supply. You are not a real person. You exist to give them praise and validation. You are a coffee maker to them, if you don’t work I’ll get another one. These people can’t self reflect, are not going to change. They are playing a character
I have narcissistic tendencies. I am the eldest male of two who’s mother was raised by a narcissist. I do recognize recognize how it impacts people and lately it’s began to bother me and I don’t like how I behave. We can change if we recognize it. They are correct that at first we don’t see how it makes people feel. I was told I didn’t care how others felt and that i was an asshole. The difference was close friends, who I trusted, told me the same. It caused me to reflect upon it and I saw it.
A narcissist that KNOWS why they're like this and WANT to change can absolutely keep themselves in check and do a whole lot better. It's unusual,but it's real and possible, it's just up to them
People with borderline do not fall into the same category as a person with NPD and definitely not antisocial personality disorder. Marsha Linehan has made profound progress with the development of DBT. She has recovered from BPD. Stop clumping these issues together. The revised DSM will include the variations of BPD. Praise God.
The Proffesor in Psychology Sam Vaknin, who's diagnosed Malignant Narcissist, is married to a Borderline, he has among his videos an interview wt his wife Lydia ‼️He says Borderline’s has a big heart and empathy, but when they gets angry they become a secondary Psychopath ‼️
He’s manipulating her. That’s what NPDs do they seek out codependents and BPDs starve them if love and affection gaslight them and then talk over them. How can people not see this?
People get angry they behave poorly is all he’s really said. Because if his wife were to wake from the stupor she’s in she’d see a sociopath is calmly and cooly telling herr and everyone else what HER personality is. So he has control.
This suggests to me that pathological narcissism is a chronic and degenerative disease of the brain. It breaks my heart thinking about this of my ex. I can't help her and she won't or is unable to get help herself. Neither do I have the capacity anymore to participate in her cyclone of self destruction. The feeling of guilt I carry as a consequence of protecting my Peace is sometimes overwhelming. I live in seclusion wondering if I will ever again be able to make organic connections with anyone.
Narcissists can and do know the difference between right and wrong and will not choose to behave or act in toxic resistance if they are around others who may witness and also perceive their behavior as wrong. So they are aware of the difference between right and wrong, it is just that their narcissism leads them toward their desires and self-absorbed needs being met so they usually tend to gravitate toward doing what is wrong. However when in the setting of devaluing and treating a nurse assistant supply shitty in someway, they simply do not care if that supply sees them as being right or wrong because they are never wrong when they are seeking to place blame on their supply and having no other witnesses or others that may see this behavior. There is no long-term cure for narcissism and it is a disorder that is also felt within that person even though it is not necessarily acknowledged as a narcissism or a disorder but something that is different within them, and they truly do black or have zero empathy and so it is more in regard to them not really caring what the other person says or perceives their behavior to be in terms of right or wrong because they can just blame shift back to that person and will do so, and the fact that they will not acknowledge their wrongs or have a willingness to try and understand The hurt or pain they cause, is because of the fact they have no empathy and are completely absorbed only reviewing what they perceive to be important or demanded or desired. The person they are projecting to is nothing more than a scapegoat or a punching bag and most likely there primary source of supply or possibly secondary source of supply. Somewhere deep down within a narcissist they know something is wrong with them and they also know that their behavior is wrong but yet care so little at the time for ever truly acknowledging this that they continue to get away with being accountable or feeling as if they’ve done something wrong to anybody when they are the victims in their own mind and they have The right and entitled privilege to treat you badly for whatever it is they think feel or choose to do. It is quite simply due to the fact that they themselves feel bad and empty and will constantly be looking for that narcissistic fuel in the form of positive Praze energy or negative toxic energy which they receive both openly and willingly because even the negative energy is in a sense of power and satisfaction in seeing as though they can’t control your emotions and cause a reaction within you that shows they have this power over you, or they are able to convince gaslight and manipulate you in a way in which you believe them and so they receive the gratification of fuel from being able to pull off their bullshit on to somebody and project What should be their own feelings of guilt and shame onto another, so that in their minds they don’t feel that because they just sprayed you with their toxic dose of poison to feel it instead. So they feel better about themselves in doing so. And how can they see this behavior as being wrong when they just received fuel that made them feel better and having the power and control they seek over you and your emotions. They could possibly empathize and can show that they have the ability to do so in an insincere and genuine way if they wanted to but it would be reasons for manipulating and not for actually having concern care or compassion for an individual as that is what a normal functioning human being would feel and does that can be empathetic. Also narcissists resent those who are more genuine and real that can feel and experience love and real happiness without feeling the vulnerability that a narcissist feels when it comes to love, In which they do not genuinely feel show or display, Nor do they genuinely show or display true happiness. This causes a narcissist to develop a deep rooted sense of envy as well toward those that do feel these real emotions in which they cannot or do not. Due to this they validate their victim mentality and develop a delusional sense of entitlement and special privilege that allows them to do certain things and treat people in a very toxic and shitty way but only they have that right to do so and nobody has the right to do it back to them. This is precisely what is self-absorbed non-empathetic human entity does out of pattern and behavior that they feel the need to use for purposes of fuel and just for survival within their mind. Their ego cannot take a huge blow of shame or exposure in a setting that would cause a very overblown fragile ego to shatter and cause what is considered a massive narcissistic breakdown or rage that puts this person into an uncontrollable state that the narcissist will at all or any cost avoid. What strikes me as very peculiar is that a person with a disorder happens to be rooted in a deep sense of shame which thing will avoid and cannot subject themselves to feel, Acts and behaves in a shameful for manner often. As well as the fact that a person who can never acknowledge or admit that they are wrong is usually wrong much of the time or at least far more of in their behavior than Any human who doesn’t have a narcissism would ever be. So if they can never be perceived is is wrong and you’re minds, yet only so they choose to blame will be seen as wrong, then how can they possibly not be considered delusional? There is no doubt that God has allowed them to be given over to a depraved mind due to their sin or their choice to be susceptible to send a behavior and malicious desires. What is Soren fortunate is that this kid and is sometimes and most likely developed within a person at a young age and they’re for they learn how to be skillful in the narcissistic behavior that they accepted as their way to get what they want and desire as well as to survive. In their minds there is no other way
They lack emotional empathy, which means they have no consideration for others. It's me, myself and I that needs to be pleased. My way or the high way. Being who they are can be very effective to them, so why change? That's the only way to look at it. They know on a superficial level that their actions are wrong. But they don't perceive it as wrong according to their own narcissism.
I have one in my friend group. The only reason we have any contact is we have all gray rocked / gone no contact previously which made him stop the behaviors temporarily or develop higher level harder to detect deception tactics and I believe wait for the right time to strike again.
This is a shame. We have treatments for other mental disorders, so why don't we have better treatments for NPD? People with NPD are still people and deserving of help.
Narcissist cannot behave in according to society standard , they are evil ,Narcissist are worst at human behavior.... but at d end they are human , and part of society... I m actually in love with a narcissist... she is my partner n family... I know dat m in phase of trauma bond ... I m accepting her behavior like anger ,jealousy, stubborn, her blame . But person around her dat is her complete family they are not allowing her to think in right mind... as she tries to think good about me ... they try to reverse her thought about me...shes stuck n not able to make decision feels insecurities about me,actually m trying to find path for peaceful life with her ... I expect that some day she will understand herself , m in love with her , hope ders a day where she will enlightened with peace , satisfaction within her 🙏❤️
She's not going to change. Let her go. You'll be stressing yourself out trying to get her to be different. I got my wife away from her mother and narcissistic family and she still is the same. Therapy, counseling and prayer has not worked. They will blame you for their issues and say that you're playing victim whenever you try to speak out.
Not all psychotherapists believe that. Some of them have treated NPD. Maby the patient has come to a point where they really want to change. Maby psychotherapists should start to question their own skills, not being efficient enough instead of giving this pessimistic view on people who suffer
Curious as to why the increase in these "personality disorders". Because if the emotional pain they create they are just unable or unwilling to see they seem unaware or unfamiliar with, where purpose does it serve? Did their parents mess them up so bad that they too will live in soliitary isolation too? Could this be a form of psychological warfare if trust and charm is the hook?
Which is so hard to believe that can not see negative impact they have on other , because they are brutal cruel , there is never a bottom to their bottom ,
Nope all though a "dis" function it is their function and necessitated likely by childhood trauma. If your banking on change, better to put that money elsewhere., or bank on loosing it. There are narcissistic traits and then actual diagnostic Narcissists. Eyes Wide Open, is vital to protecting your peace. Peace is as vital to well being as Water...
A narcissist could never be wrong and only have what they self diagnosed with. They can't admit to lies let alone ask for help. Nor admit they need help for the liars they are
With proven treatment DBT, BPD can be treated and some may with a decade of being diagnosed, become free of the symptoms and qualities that would make them diagnosable. I have done this, sometimes I still have initial internal reactions to issues, but even before treatment I didn't just react all the time because I knew it was wrong, but more so now I know where it is coming from and can work through it internally to make it happen less and less. It is about insight, and also about caring about how you effect the people around you that you say you love.
I genuinely believe that I'm superior to every person I've ever met in my entire life. But I also understand other peoples feelings, and act accordingly, i sometimes even help my friends to understand the feelings of other persons they interacted with. I feel like im better than everyone else, but because of that i expect myself to help others in every way possible. Do i count as a narcissist? Or just someone with a huge ego
People *can* subdue or control narcissism by submitting to a higher and wiser power than themselves. God - unless they wanna be misused by politicians and other flawed humans. That way - they learn to hold a plumbline and develop a moral compass.
What is the disorder that has characteristics of all three of these; Lack of empathy, distorted sense of self, low impulse control, highly manipulative but without emotional instability? Or at least no display of emotional instability. More of a flattened affect. Wondering which of cluster b disorders these symptoms would most be like, or maybe they fit into a different cluster?
There needs to be distinction between BPD and NPD/ASPD. A borderline is capable of and wants change. If there are tinges of NPD/ASPD in the BPD you’ll have problems, but a pure BPD is fully remorseful, self reflective (with help) and capable of change. It doesn’t help to lump BPD on with these unless they have NPD OR ASPD traits.
Word up, I was accused by my ex of being a narcissist, so I went to a phycologist and he said just my taking ownership of my faults . Just being willing to see him proved so. Then she wouldn't do the same and still blames others for her own issues, that's why I said ex.
@@ruthslater6364 I'm not sure his specialty? He was the head of phycology or something at a major hospital in Columbus. He was pretty good and I probably only seen him for 6 months twice a month. We spent time talking sports 😂 the last month, he asked if I felt like I needed to talk and I was really kinda done after a month lol. He said I already make strong correlations based on known behavior. I call it common sense, and trusting people to be who they are. Then when you see positive traits, your pleasantly surprised.
Yeah after 4 yrs of my spouse cheating and betrayal with my ex childhood friend, it's my fault, I should have supported him, I had no reason to kick him out finally and in his mind I'm living my best life while he's suffering.
I enjoy your insights but respectfully disagree re: Borderline. Many improve using DBT therapy. Quite a few actually "shed" their diagnoses as they get older. It depends on the case severity.
They need the fear of the lord because that is the beginning of wisdom. I am proof you can heal from narricistc disorder.. conviction and convincing by Jesus Christ drawing me to my KNEES and I truly repented= stop, think and turn from my sin!!
I don't want to be this person anymore, I don't want to keep pushing people away. I can't see how I hurt them and I want to know. I love my partner but if I don't fix this I'll hurt them the longer they stay with me and eventually they'll leave.
But what happens if we, as myself, were raised by a narcissist or even two, and now replicate that narcissistic abuse? Can we heal and strip that narcissism that we learned, away?
My mom was a narc. So is one of my brothers and a few others I've known throughout my life. One thing they all have in common is that they were sexually abused at an early age (3-5 years old). Does this have any connection? Could this be a contributing factor? I'm one who sees patterns and this one knocks me over.
@@susie9327 I'm so sorry to hear that. No child should be treated like that. It affected my mom til the day she died. I'm an empath. You may be, too. They're drawn to us like flies to honey.
it’s possible but a dramatic event needs to happen to the narc like a rock bottom or near death experience. if the narc continues to be successful and do well in life then indeed low probability
Once you have met one..All the others stand out in a CROWD..👌
Trust that gut feeling ....
They can not see the impact of their actions on others..
So familyar to me. They say and do cruel things and blame you for feeling it.
Or calling it out.
@@courtneyawalsh to which the regular reply is, oh what a baby! You’re so sensitive.
Or remembering and it effecting you.....don't you dare remind them of their abuse
Not even you feeling it (which you might not). They blame you the moment their evil deed is completed. The justification and projection takes place in their mind before you engage in anything. They cannot own their 'dark side' because they are 'a good person and everyone likes them' (shame + the false Self) in their mind. They have to make you carry the rucksack (burden) filled with their evil action + shame and they LIE and say that it belongs to you (blame) and they disconnect from their true selves and convince themselves that what they're saying is truth.
If you attempt to rationally present 'the real TRUTH' and attempt to make them own their stuff (accountable), they will run for the hills (silent treatment, ghost/discard you immediately), have their adult tantrum and punish you for exposing them, at the same time.
Seared conscience
I lived through this in an 18 yr marriage… believe me when I tell you in was PURE HELL getting away from this person!!
My mother is a narcissist is been hell I didn't realise how serious the situation was she still to hunt me down I left her 11 years she was going to send my brothers to beat me up I am the same page ..you never are free of these people
Same but we still have kids
youre absolutely right
@@linda-nl8ib A Narcissist want's to control, destroy and dim another humans light ‼️💎Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
15 yrs for me and we have kids as well. They do not know how to co parent and will alienate your children from you.
They understand very well how they effect others they simply dont care
Yes. They don't care about anyone or anything if it doesn't affect them. They are #1 always. No empathy or compassion. Honestly, I can see the evil, Satan around him. I've even felt it at times . He has a type of way of reading your mind or feelings without even seeing or speaking to you. It's been months since I've talked to mine. My ex . It's strange how he would say something to me. That I had just discussed with my neighbor. Friends many years. When he called once and said something about whatever it was. She and I had just talked of that the night before. He used to ask me about her. So I'd say . If you want to talk to her. I'll see if and wants to talk to you. Of course, oh no. Then why ask. I decided they were in cahoots together. So. I cut both out. Both lie. They're actually too much alike. He's sneaky too. But she stalks. So. I'm done being a friend. She was hurt I know. But there's no way he can know what we had talked about the night before. No way. I'm not crazy. He must think I'm stupid. The old me would've played them. But, I just don't need or have time for the B S.
@@jill3686 sounds teriblle, people like this will go to any extent, they will listen to your conversations (phisically or put divices), yes they will do anything.
Sometimes its the devil itself,
I was praying in my heart to show me what to do after a fight, and then he would come running back and love bombing. Thats why i got stuck, i asumed god wants us to work it out.
But truth is, he wanted to teach me to listen to my intuition no matter whats happening in the outside.
When we real with ourselvs like brutaly honestly real, no one can lie or manipulate us.
We are divine force we need to be smart and watchout.
@@ismush8 you can't help them. 1. They're happy and comfortable the way they are 2. They don't want to change. 3. Cause it's never them. They're perfect. You or somebody else is always at fault.
@@jill3686 yep.. they are catalists for the colective awakening. Once the majority will awaken and change for the better, they will have no choice but to repend
@@jill3686I've had several narcs say things to me, that I was thinking about them! I believe demons/spirits feed them this info. Because it is eeery and creepy af!!
My ex was diagnosed with NPD and BPD. Was married for 25 yrs and then walked out on family and took everything away. Left son and I on street. Now he wants to be friends. 😂 Umm.. NO.
Friends? After everything he did? Laugh and RUN!
😯💪You go girl!
My God😮
My ex narcopath was the same. Married 26 years with 3 children and discovered he’d stolen all the family’s funds, took out loans in my name, kids outside the marriage popping up like popcorn, took the family car during the divorce, was insidious, evil and wicked with a litany of misdeeds trailing behind him. He took the Child Support Agency to court stating I earned enough to take care of the children myself. His hearing got thrown out, of course! Thanks to God.
Had the nerve to reach out via a lawyer mediator a year after the divorce asking to mediate. Ehm! Nooooooooo! Utter madness.🤯
@@bridget9432i disovered the same, lies and have taken all the money, all along , plus my smal saving, waiting till the end. With me very sick with lupus..now I am healing, keeping him very away from me. Cero fontact
I divorced my kids dad over 20 yrs ago. He abandoned me pregnant with our 3 kids. He showed back up about 10 yrs later. He is now married to who was my ex best friend & boss. Now I'm completely alienated from our kids. Its crazy. 20 yrs ago there was no information about narcissist. Be so careful who you have kids with. I would have never dreamed this would be life. My kids have been my whole life
I'm sorry:( can I ask why you are alienated from your kids? I'm going through something similar
Same here.
An Psychologist recommended couples to wait 2 years, before they get kids together, so they can find out if they likes each others enough to keep together ‼️
Here i am too
my ex husband was Mr Wonderful, until one night, a issue came up with one of my sons defying me... i said a curse word which triggered him to be physically aggression towards me. After that attacked I never saw the man I thought I knew for 19 years. He began to bully me & trained my 3 high school age sons to bully and devalue me. this is called parent alienation. He was trying to punish me for what came out of him that night by taking my kids away from me in right infront of me. he took my authority away as a parent and undermined me to my children. any concerns I brought up to him with our sons misbehavior, he would tell them "your mom said this about you" and stir their emotions against me and they would gang up on me. it was completely insane and EVIL from the pit of hell. my youngest son will not speak to me at all. my heart us broken. It took me almost dying from leukemia for my sons to realize they only have one mom. They are all in there mid to late 20's. their dad has remarried & moved away from his children to tend to new family... I never ever imagined our beautiful family becoming completely dismantled and traumatized from this sick mental deranged man. its heartbreaking for me to watch my adult sons struggle from the ramifications.
A narcissist’s “defence” mechanism develops over time as a way to shield themselves from their own often incredibly deep insecurities. This shield the have developed blocks and locks in their ability to recognise their own actions as possibly causing any harm to others, because that understanding is either completely lacking as it was never taught, or more likely buried as a form of protection, thus making it almost impossible for the narcissist to have true empathy or often even seem to have any awareness of other people’s experiences and/or how they might feel. This is why narcissists cannot hold themselves accountable and it’s how these people are able to sleep at night when they behave in ways that leave you wondering how on Earth are they not insomniacs.
They don't want to admit they have a problem
They are petrified to admit something is wrong! They would rather continue doing what they are doing because of all the bad they have already done!
It's really sad. I tried so hard to get the narcissist in my life to see what he was doing and how it was affecting his life. Sometimes it seemed like he was starting to understand but eventually he still ended up blaming others for all his problems. He just couldn't take any accountability. He ended up hating cops, lawyers, judges, all his exes...he blamed them all for ruining his life, even though it was his actions that caused him to go to prison time after time. In the end, he was filled with so much hate, he couldn't get any supply, he chased everyone away. He started doing really bad drugs and eventually was killed by the cops after coming at them with a knife.
I'm so very sorry for this trauma...
My ex calls me a narcissist. I understand why she would think that but I think I'm just so selfish from living in jails and prisons for so long and in the drug world. It's cut throat in this life and I have to become a wolf or be ate by the wolves
Very True. How can they HEAL when they don’t feel any REMORSE? How can they feel REMORSE when they live in perpetual DENIAL about their actions and the consequences of their actions? They are, therefore, UNredeemable.
Well said…perpetual denial! Perpetual! Smh. So counseling does NOT help one iota. A true waste of time.
Remorse? For what? They’re incapable of doing, saying, or acting wrong. Ever.
Been there! Broke free from it!!! The damage he did to our family is not redeemable!
@TheNaturaldo the best example thank you for the knowledge 🙏 👏
They will never change.
Thanks for sharing, I unfortuneately grew up as a Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents ‼️
Self awareness is key
Yes! They have to recognize it!
He may not care to change it or be able too....but he will sit there and attempt to dissect the situation to get a greater understanding of what is going on and how it's affecting their life.
Miracle for narcissist
My sister boyfriend is a evil narc . She’s an empty shell of herself . Thin and nervous at 56 years old :(.. what a way to live 🙄
Did you grow up wt a Narcissistic mother ❓‼️Ppl who grew up wt a Narcissistic mother, goes straight into the arms of a Narcissist several times, that's the energy they knows ‼️💎 Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
They mind f*ck you tho, a normal person wouldn't understand the things she goes through or endures, even a sister💔
I feel like I'm healing, overcoming toxic behaviour, but whenever I feel I'm getting better I get worried that I'm going back to my toxic ways, so I can never truly relax. I'm self-aware, not diagnosed, but can see that my way of relating was as a covert narcissist. I certainly don't want to be one. But I realise it could take years to truly change. I have to watch myself constantly.
Look into BPD instead of Covert Narc, and DBT. The self awareness and desire to change is what makes all the difference with if one is NPD/ASPD.
@@jadegreen1554I don't meet the criteria for BPD, though I'm more strongly aligned with narcissism. It was a diagnosed narcissist who identified it in me. And when I researched it, I realised he was right. Apparently we lack gray matter in the area of our brain responsible for affective empathy.
I want to connect with people on the emotional level but I can't, there's a disconnect. I do my best but I have to force it. I can understand their emotions but I cannot connect with them, except when watching movies where for some reason I can emotionally connect with the character.
@@over-comerHope u heal one day !!
I am self aware too now but it feels I am not natural and easy like everyone
@@sneha.capri_46789 I speak as one with a log in his eye, so take what I say with caution.
I believe that having the courage to be our authentic selves; not cowering to our own perceived social expectations from others, is a worthy process to continually grow in.
I agree that healing is virtually impossible (but not absolutely impossible). I’ve had three clients who made enough progress that they no longer demonstrated cluster B symptoms. All three were remanded (one legal and two from an organization) and it was very painful for all of them, but today thy are much more functional and their marriages are truly happy…
Through DBT & many years of therapy I was able to overcome my borderline personality disorder. I am so grateful to the therapeutic professionals that helped me to become a healthy & happy person!!!
Bpd is definitely treatable❤❤
I have BPD...I was in therapy on and off for years...more than willing and motivated to see my blind spots...not ALL BPD are just cruel and not able to get better. I've come a LONG LONG WAY but still have a ways to go. :/
I have BPD too and one thing we have which is very important is self reflection and insight. With enough work in DBT we can eliminate our symptoms, enough to be recovered. I believe in you, you can do it!!!
I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was going through my divorce from a narcissistic man…I know I’m not bipolar because well…15 years after my divorce and I’m a hell of a lot more in control of my emotions then all these so called healthy stable people around me are….yet they’re the ones telling me that I’m the problem…when I’m not even around them ever…I hear it through the grape vine though what they’re saying about me…I suffer with cptsd….dissociation from the past trauma and I’ve been able to identify the root of a lot of my issues that came about over the years….how would anyone react if they were with a family member out and about when suddenly someone comes up to u and starts chewing u out for being such a bad person and hard on ur family…get accused of being a meth head and out of control….a thief…and so on….out of the blue….and then starts talking so kindly to ur poor abused family member ur with….? When u don’t do any of what u have just been accused of and don’t understand where this is coming from! Becoming defensive or confused would be expected right? Who is saying this stuff about u? U would never suspect it was the family member u were with ….yeah….thry set their victims up for this…and this sort of diagnosis….its bs and it’s shameful that professionals who deal with personality “disorders” on a daily arent able to realize this by the first year of being a therapist….its more damaging and just more evidence that this system is set up to be a tool used to abuse hood hearted people even worse..,
Ignorance is bliss, and the brain is so deeply in denial...this disease will not allow the brain to fully comprehend the wound or the bigger picture
Many people diagnosed with borderline personality disorder actually CPTSD and abandonment issue. I am so tired of experts making us out to be bad. We have empathy. We can self reflect and we can get better.
Monster!
@@ufcnutta4203 What is wrong with you? Are you mentally ill?
@@ufcnutta4203oh god, leave the poor person alone!
Hope you do ❤
Bingo! This is the difference.
this is so true , sad but real...
Oh that's gold. "Statistically...absolutely not."
Im borderline
And im well aware of how I hurt others with my responses that are ridiculous compared to the situation but my initial reactive response 95% shows and two seconds later I'm like sh** that was stupid .
My menstrual cycles make it even more difficult to control myself
A lot of patterns I'm aware of... But struggle with
Is it curable I'd say no
But insight and awareness I have an abundance of .... Have always had it ... The ability to change or control my actions thoughts beliefs behaviors is difficult ... Hard to see others are not always going to agree or think like I do or behave as I would ... I have been actively working on myself since 2015 when I had my first child .
And I still am working on it on most days ... It's hard with pmdd ... The cyclical biological issue plus bpd is hard ...
I often times take more responsibility than I "should " .
(Dont like that word my psychologist taught me it usually is un healthy to utilize )
In situations and I am then manipulated when people are aware of this quality
Either way . I disagree about insight .
Ability to change is a different story
My daughter is diagnosed with BPD and PMDD. You are right, insight and capacity to change behaviours are different things. What has helped her with PMDD is contraception pill Zoely. Her mood is much more stable. She used to be almost predictably very distressed premenstrually to the point of needing to be hospitalized because of suicidal ideation. She has been on it a year now and hasn't had any hospitilazations.
Dr Judy Rosenberg have good videos about Narcissism and Narcissistic mothers, she says Borderline’s are daughters and the Scapegoat of Narcissistic mothers, they are destroyed and fragmented inside ‼️Dr Ramani has a video about the 4 types of Borderline ‼️Quora Digest has a lot about Narcissism and Borderline ‼️💎Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
@@stavroulaantoniou9898 Dr Judy Rosenberg have good videos about Narcissism and Narcissistic mothers, she says Borderline’s are highest on the statistic's over who's comitt's suiside ‼️Eating disorders are connected to Bpd‼️💎Daugher and Scapegoat of two Narcissistic parents.
Exactly.. this guy is a black pill. So the narcs on yt are not really narcs. .that help other narcs heal!? Also I have SEEN bpd healing..people with bpd have lots of insight there are levels. And it's not sociopathy or psychopathy. .it's a personality disorder! Bless you.
You sound like you have more insight then those who say they are " normal " and judge those with bpd
I have covert narcissistic traits and I understand why suicide is such an issue... I've been scouring the internet for help and it's always shit like this. That there's no hope. How to avoid them and never how to treat. Some people DO want to get better. I want to be a better spouse and have the potential to be a good parent when the time comes.
I feel you :(
Look up Heal NPD here on yt, it's a different perspective. I was pissed off too when I wanted to find some self-help resources for covert narcissism and found almost exclusively sites and books for narcissists' victims, especially women.
Same!
Try meditation!! Vipasanna!!
@@ramji7zs781 No matter how much you meditate,you come out of meditation and a trigger is gonna trigger them again and they will react on impulse like meditation never even happened. It's a waste of time in this situation.
That’s not true. As a self diagnosed narcissist myself. I have been very aware of how my actions and behavior impact other people in my life. I feel guilt and shame when I unconsciously say or behave in a way that makes me see and realise that it may have made someone feel uncomfortable or hurt and i wish I haven’t done that. I wish I wasn’t much like this and i hope i would be able to find treatment out there to heal.. maybe the deep roots of why my personality or lack of.. came about.
Same..
Look up theta healing
They can't deal with the slightest possibility that something they're doing needs to be corrected, unless it involves changing their tactics, because their MO never changes, just their presentation.
they need prayers and deliverance
they can't be delivered
Maybe you are right
Never gonna happen
Awesome validation
Sometimes when they're at deaths door from alcoholism there is enough survival instinct to TRY to live by spiritual principles and take action in recovery.
Yea they are long committed to this Narrative.
I do care is the thing, I want to be genuine.
I just don't know how to be consistent and be 100% honest and present
Just bought your book. Looking forward to reading it
They see you as supply. You are not a real person. You exist to give them praise and validation.
You are a coffee maker to them, if you don’t work I’ll get another one. These people can’t self reflect, are not going to change. They are playing a character
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯😂😂
Absolutely soulless...🙏💙
Married 25 years to a narcissist, this man drove me out of my home, I lost everything. Still trying to heal ..... but I'm out.
Me too lost everything to that POS.... He's a evil , coward, pathological liar, violent, crazy, bi, bipolar, serial cheater, cruel, thief, etc...
They would have to have insight to even walk into a therapists office. So that would mean that they do want help. Thanks for the DOOM and GLOOM video.
I have narcissistic tendencies. I am the eldest male of two who’s mother was raised by a narcissist. I do recognize recognize how it impacts people and lately it’s began to bother me and I don’t like how I behave. We can change if we recognize it. They are correct that at first we don’t see how it makes people feel. I was told I didn’t care how others felt and that i was an asshole. The difference was close friends, who I trusted, told me the same. It caused me to reflect upon it and I saw it.
A narcissist that KNOWS why they're like this and WANT to change can absolutely keep themselves in check and do a whole lot better. It's unusual,but it's real and possible, it's just up to them
People with borderline do not fall into the same category as a person with NPD and definitely not antisocial personality disorder. Marsha Linehan has made profound progress with the development of DBT. She has recovered from BPD.
Stop clumping these issues together. The revised DSM will include the variations of BPD. Praise God.
The Proffesor in Psychology Sam Vaknin, who's diagnosed Malignant Narcissist, is married to a Borderline, he has among his videos an interview wt his wife Lydia ‼️He says Borderline’s has a big heart and empathy, but when they gets angry they become a secondary Psychopath ‼️
He’s manipulating her. That’s what NPDs do they seek out codependents and BPDs starve them if love and affection gaslight them and then talk over them. How can people not see this?
People get angry they behave poorly is all he’s really said. Because if his wife were to wake from the stupor she’s in she’d see a sociopath is calmly and cooly telling herr and everyone else what HER personality is. So he has control.
Married to a narcissist for 31 years.. you can never ever please them or ever change them. Staying will destroy your soul spirit and mind.
You can still create the life want. You’re not destroyed, You’re still standing
This suggests to me that pathological narcissism is a chronic and degenerative disease of the brain. It breaks my heart thinking about this of my ex. I can't help her and she won't or is unable to get help herself. Neither do I have the capacity anymore to participate in her cyclone of self destruction. The feeling of guilt I carry as a consequence of protecting my Peace is sometimes overwhelming. I live in seclusion wondering if I will ever again be able to make organic connections with anyone.
Narcissists can and do know the difference between right and wrong and will not choose to behave or act in toxic resistance if they are around others who may witness and also perceive their behavior as wrong. So they are aware of the difference between right and wrong, it is just that their narcissism leads them toward their desires and self-absorbed needs being met so they usually tend to gravitate toward doing what is wrong. However when in the setting of devaluing and treating a nurse assistant supply shitty in someway, they simply do not care if that supply sees them as being right or wrong because they are never wrong when they are seeking to place blame on their supply and having no other witnesses or others that may see this behavior. There is no long-term cure for narcissism and it is a disorder that is also felt within that person even though it is not necessarily acknowledged as a narcissism or a disorder but something that is different within them, and they truly do black or have zero empathy and so it is more in regard to them not really caring what the other person says or perceives their behavior to be in terms of right or wrong because they can just blame shift back to that person and will do so, and the fact that they will not acknowledge their wrongs or have a willingness to try and understand The hurt or pain they cause, is because of the fact they have no empathy and are completely absorbed only reviewing what they perceive to be important or demanded or desired. The person they are projecting to is nothing more than a scapegoat or a punching bag and most likely there primary source of supply or possibly secondary source of supply. Somewhere deep down within a narcissist they know something is wrong with them and they also know that their behavior is wrong but yet care so little at the time for ever truly acknowledging this that they continue to get away with being accountable or feeling as if they’ve done something wrong to anybody when they are the victims in their own mind and they have The right and entitled privilege to treat you badly for whatever it is they think feel or choose to do. It is quite simply due to the fact that they themselves feel bad and empty and will constantly be looking for that narcissistic fuel in the form of positive Praze energy or negative toxic energy which they receive both openly and willingly because even the negative energy is in a sense of power and satisfaction in seeing as though they can’t control your emotions and cause a reaction within you that shows they have this power over you, or they are able to convince gaslight and manipulate you in a way in which you believe them and so they receive the gratification of fuel from being able to pull off their bullshit on to somebody and project What should be their own feelings of guilt and shame onto another, so that in their minds they don’t feel that because they just sprayed you with their toxic dose of poison to feel it instead. So they feel better about themselves in doing so. And how can they see this behavior as being wrong when they just received fuel that made them feel better and having the power and control they seek over you and your emotions. They could possibly empathize and can show that they have the ability to do so in an insincere and genuine way if they wanted to but it would be reasons for manipulating and not for actually having concern care or compassion for an individual as that is what a normal functioning human being would feel and does that can be empathetic. Also narcissists resent those who are more genuine and real that can feel and experience love and real happiness without feeling the vulnerability that a narcissist feels when it comes to love, In which they do not genuinely feel show or display, Nor do they genuinely show or display true happiness. This causes a narcissist to develop a deep rooted sense of envy as well toward those that do feel these real emotions in which they cannot or do not. Due to this they validate their victim mentality and develop a delusional sense of entitlement and special privilege that allows them to do certain things and treat people in a very toxic and shitty way but only they have that right to do so and nobody has the right to do it back to them. This is precisely what is self-absorbed non-empathetic human entity does out of pattern and behavior that they feel the need to use for purposes of fuel and just for survival within their mind. Their ego cannot take a huge blow of shame or exposure in a setting that would cause a very overblown fragile ego to shatter and cause what is considered a massive narcissistic breakdown or rage that puts this person into an uncontrollable state that the narcissist will at all or any cost avoid. What strikes me as very peculiar is that a person with a disorder happens to be rooted in a deep sense of shame which thing will avoid and cannot subject themselves to feel, Acts and behaves in a shameful for manner often. As well as the fact that a person who can never acknowledge or admit that they are wrong is usually wrong much of the time or at least far more of in their behavior than Any human who doesn’t have a narcissism would ever be. So if they can never be perceived is is wrong and you’re minds, yet only so they choose to blame will be seen as wrong, then how can they possibly not be considered delusional? There is no doubt that God has allowed them to be given over to a depraved mind due to their sin or their choice to be susceptible to send a behavior and malicious desires. What is Soren fortunate is that this kid and is sometimes and most likely developed within a person at a young age and they’re for they learn how to be skillful in the narcissistic behavior that they accepted as their way to get what they want and desire as well as to survive. In their minds there is no other way
They lack emotional empathy, which means they have no consideration for others. It's me, myself and I that needs to be pleased. My way or the high way. Being who they are can be very effective to them, so why change? That's the only way to look at it. They know on a superficial level that their actions are wrong. But they don't perceive it as wrong according to their own narcissism.
I have one in my friend group. The only reason we have any contact is we have all gray rocked / gone no contact previously which made him stop the behaviors temporarily or develop higher level harder to detect deception tactics and I believe wait for the right time to strike again.
Very sad to hear that. I love my wife even though I’m divorcing her . She my mate but she hurts me too much. 😢
Even they confess and intend to heal ..they still have long way to change there vision to all things.
I witness this in front of my eyes
Thank you I’m hopeless now
This is a shame. We have treatments for other mental disorders, so why don't we have better treatments for NPD? People with NPD are still people and deserving of help.
Stay positive but give up hope 🙀
They won't believe the Blindspot that they have, not to the extent it actually is, even if you place it on a dish in front of them
Narcissist cannot behave in according to society standard , they are evil ,Narcissist are worst at human behavior.... but at d end they are human , and part of society... I m actually in love with a narcissist... she is my partner n family... I know dat m in phase of trauma bond ... I m accepting her behavior like anger ,jealousy, stubborn, her blame . But person around her dat is her complete family they are not allowing her to think in right mind... as she tries to think good about me ... they try to reverse her thought about me...shes stuck n not able to make decision feels insecurities about me,actually m trying to find path for peaceful life with her ... I expect that some day she will understand herself , m in love with her , hope ders a day where she will enlightened with peace , satisfaction within her 🙏❤️
Finally found someone who has hope that their partner could change
She's not going to change. Let her go. You'll be stressing yourself out trying to get her to be different. I got my wife away from her mother and narcissistic family and she still is the same. Therapy, counseling and prayer has not worked. They will blame you for their issues and say that you're playing victim whenever you try to speak out.
Love your book. Just got it! So helpful and validating
IT,s horrible to Deal with a pathological narzisist. That,s what i,m going through
everyone says that.. so true!.. nice to hear another person restate that! thanks!
This is so true, right
They cannot. It is impossible.
Coverts are the worst! Keep that in mind!
Not all psychotherapists believe that. Some of them have treated NPD. Maby the patient has come to a point where they really want to change. Maby psychotherapists should start to question their own skills, not being efficient enough instead of giving this pessimistic view on people who suffer
THEY HAVE A BAD BLOODLINE!
True, offspring of the serpent seed.
Very possible, I believe. My exe's grandmother had schizophrenia. Hmm. Possibly a hint of it passed down in some form. I've always suspected that too.
are people suffering from schizophrenia narcissists?
Thats intressting i aculity help a narcisist heal there inner whombs and traumas, and healed the inner child and now doing better then ever
Right ON 👍 Yes Sir
My husband of many years was one, is a waist of Time thinking they will change one day, then days turned into years, then decades...
Curious as to why the increase in these "personality disorders". Because if the emotional pain they create they are just unable or unwilling to see they seem unaware or unfamiliar with, where purpose does it serve? Did their parents mess them up so bad that they too will live in soliitary isolation too? Could this be a form of psychological warfare if trust and charm is the hook?
i support this message
Feeling like l.m healing. No Problem never change never Sings never heaven
Which is so hard to believe that can not see negative impact they have on other , because they are brutal cruel , there is never a bottom to their bottom ,
NARCISSIST ON THE STREETS APOLIGISE TO ME BECAUSE IVE BEEN SO KIND AND COMPASSIONATE IN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE= TEACH LOVE
Nope all though a "dis" function it is their function and necessitated likely by childhood trauma. If your banking on change, better to put that money elsewhere., or bank on loosing it. There are narcissistic traits and then actual diagnostic Narcissists. Eyes Wide Open, is vital to protecting your peace. Peace is as vital to well being as Water...
This is heartbreaking
Only God can change a person. He is a God of Miracles.
Yes God can do miracles
A narcissist could never be wrong and only have what they self diagnosed with. They can't admit to lies let alone ask for help. Nor admit they need help for the liars they are
They cant love or process love theyre only negative,be positive and un frequency them out of it,they cant access it , good luck 🙏👉🌞♥️
With proven treatment DBT, BPD can be treated and some may with a decade of being diagnosed, become free of the symptoms and qualities that would make them diagnosable. I have done this, sometimes I still have initial internal reactions to issues, but even before treatment I didn't just react all the time because I knew it was wrong, but more so now I know where it is coming from and can work through it internally to make it happen less and less. It is about insight, and also about caring about how you effect the people around you that you say you love.
I genuinely believe that I'm superior to every person I've ever met in my entire life. But I also understand other peoples feelings, and act accordingly, i sometimes even help my friends to understand the feelings of other persons they interacted with. I feel like im better than everyone else, but because of that i expect myself to help others in every way possible. Do i count as a narcissist? Or just someone with a huge ego
Whenever I hear about NPD its so scary😮
People *can* subdue or control narcissism by submitting to a higher and wiser power than themselves.
God - unless they wanna be misused by politicians and other flawed humans.
That way - they learn to hold a plumbline and develop a moral compass.
They just don don't care how disaster they make it to other people
That’s what I thought they can’t introspect and do the work and the truth is…they’d rather blame others
A moot argument of change😢
That is a big NO!
Got to have a soul. Where is the Narc going to buy one?
Amazing, and do you think in the case of parental alienation, the alienating parent has one of these personality types
Narcissists are very heinous people😢
What is the disorder that has characteristics of all three of these; Lack of empathy, distorted sense of self, low impulse control, highly manipulative but without emotional instability? Or at least no display of emotional instability. More of a flattened affect. Wondering which of cluster b disorders these symptoms would most be like, or maybe they fit into a different cluster?
Could you do some videos on BPD?
The good the bad the ugly, any hope …
Quora Digest has a lot about Bpd, Dr Fox, Dr Judy Rosenberg, Dr Sage etc. ‼️
Excellent aa nswer
There needs to be distinction between BPD and NPD/ASPD.
A borderline is capable of and wants change. If there are tinges of NPD/ASPD in the BPD you’ll have problems, but a pure BPD is fully remorseful, self reflective (with help) and capable of change. It doesn’t help to lump BPD on with these unless they have NPD OR ASPD traits.
Word up, I was accused by my ex of being a narcissist, so I went to a phycologist and he said just my taking ownership of my faults . Just being willing to see him proved so. Then she wouldn't do the same and still blames others for her own issues, that's why I said ex.
Lol narcissist are great liars. Unless a psychologist a rule specializes in narcissist behavior the person will negate the analysis.
@@ruthslater6364 I'm not sure his specialty? He was the head of phycology or something at a major hospital in Columbus. He was pretty good and I probably only seen him for 6 months twice a month. We spent time talking sports 😂 the last month, he asked if I felt like I needed to talk and I was really kinda done after a month lol. He said I already make strong correlations based on known behavior. I call it common sense, and trusting people to be who they are. Then when you see positive traits, your pleasantly surprised.
Narcissists accuse others of what they do themselvs, and says their partner is a Narcissist ‼️
They have to Apologize to other people.
Yeah after 4 yrs of my spouse cheating and betrayal with my ex childhood friend, it's my fault, I should have supported him, I had no reason to kick him out finally and in his mind I'm living my best life while he's suffering.
I enjoy your insights but respectfully disagree re: Borderline. Many improve using DBT therapy. Quite a few actually "shed" their diagnoses as they get older. It depends on the case severity.
They are not blind, they see and know the impact of what they do they even are able to control every single emotion they just DO NOT CARE ABOUT OTHERS
They need the fear of the lord because that is the beginning of wisdom. I am proof you can heal from narricistc disorder.. conviction and convincing by Jesus Christ drawing me to my KNEES and I truly repented= stop, think and turn from my sin!!
I have BPD. I keep thinking ive improved, (from.years of schema therapy) but in hindsight i see I still act out behaivours. Can i heal?
I don't want to be this person anymore, I don't want to keep pushing people away. I can't see how I hurt them and I want to know. I love my partner but if I don't fix this I'll hurt them the longer they stay with me and eventually they'll leave.
Highly dangerous psychopaths are pure evil!
But what happens if we, as myself, were raised by a narcissist or even two, and now replicate that narcissistic abuse? Can we heal and strip that narcissism that we learned, away?
Question
Do they want to?
My mom was a narc. So is one of my brothers and a few others I've known throughout my life. One thing they all have in common is that they were sexually abused at an early age (3-5 years old). Does this have any connection? Could this be a contributing factor? I'm one who sees patterns and this one knocks me over.
I was abused at 5 and married a narc so there is a correlation it seems. Either you become one or become a target.
@@susie9327 I'm so sorry to hear that. No child should be treated like that. It affected my mom til the day she died.
I'm an empath. You may be, too. They're drawn to us like flies to honey.
No cause you have to be accountable for that to happen !!
it’s possible but a dramatic event needs to happen to the narc like a rock bottom or near death experience. if the narc continues to be successful and do well in life then indeed low probability